On the live broadcast of "The freedom of speech", I invite to the central microphone Vladimir Zhirinovsky, the head of the liberal-democratic party of Russia in the State Duma. Please, Mr. Zhirinovsky. Mr. Zhirinovsky, you are a strong supporter of the unification of three brotherly Slavic people in Russia, Belarus and Ukraine. Do you think that in the conditions of the crisis that our countries are experiencing, the gas incitement to the Union will work efficiently on unification? Maybe it is b
etter to unite on liberal-democratic principles of your party? Any unification in the world, any union, even the union of two people, is always an incitement. It is not necessary to dream of some freedom. It has never been a freedom. You have this TV show called "The freedom of speech". Do you give everyone a word? No. Can everyone find you? Who did you invite? Those who were deemed necessary? Mr. Zhirinovsky, I could not refuse you. Well, thank you, you did not refuse. And you did not refuse. P
eople want some abstract freedom. It will never be. It will always be the principle of some kind of incitement, of some kind of violence. Because people have different interests. The state has different interests. Did the European Union unite completely on a liberal basis? They are forced. Today there can be a calm and long time, only a state with a population of 300 million people. This is not what economists think, this is not what I think. Here is the USA, 300 million. Here is the European Un
ion, 400 million. Here is China, more than a billion. India, more than a billion. If we were with you, together as the USSR, we would now have 300 million. If we live, yes, there were 280 in the Soviet Union. And 20 years have passed, we have increased by 3 million. Now we would have 340. So we, with all the territory, 280 and 3, and how will we get 340? It increased by 3 million every year, 20 years have passed. That would be plus 60 million. I'm counting it all together. I'm not necessarily sa
ying 300, let it be 290. But if the state has less than 100 million, 50, they are doomed to disappear in the next 30, 40, 50 years. This is the law of the economy, this is not mine, I do not want to predict bad things to anyone. But the unification is going on, this is salvation. Why am I saying that goodwill is visibility? Yes, we have united goodwill, so as not to die, we have united. As during the war, the unions are formed, so that anyone can unite to save their country. Look. Or to attack s
omeone. Or to unite for attacks. Hitler united those with whom he attacked someone. And then the anti-Hitler coalition was formed. Look, today, in Libya, the West supported certain oppositionists. They fought the Gaddafi regime. They were given weapons. Today they act independently. And today they are bombed by France and the united forces against them. They themselves created them. Now they are fighting with them. In Libya, they were fighters for freedom. They barely crossed the border of Libya
and Mali, they are invaders. They are terrorists, radicals and islamists. Like the Taliban. They created it against the Soviet army. And now there is no such thing as the Soviet army. They turned their weapons against Americans. That is, the whole world, unfortunately, is forced. The birth of a person, what is it? Is it freedom? Women sometimes die during childbirth. This is a conscious necessity. No, this is a natural factor. Like life, like birth, like death. Do I understand you correctly tha
t it is impossible to unite on liberal and democratic principles? Well, liberalism as freedom. Of course, we all want there to be more or less free media. It already exists today. Both in your country and in our country. More or less free choice. And where is more and where is less? Well, probably Russia has more freedom. Because there is lots of media, so many channels. They broadcast all day and night. Do all your channels broadcast all day and night? Our channels broadcast all day and night.
Therefore, if you read all the newspapers, all radio channels and TV channels, then probably the general information stream of opposition is, of course, probably more in Russia. Although maybe you think that you have it more. Freedom of opinion Please. I would like to ask, in your book The Last Throw to the South, you wrote that Russia should unite with Iran, Afghanistan and Turkey. And that in these countries there should be a Russian rubles and a Russian army. You wrote that. Has it already go
ne back to the second plan? Probably you misunderstood that. The point was that all events of geopolitical character will take place in the territory of Afghanistan, Iran and Turkey. It has been 20 years. And what do we see? In Afghanistan there is a coalition of all NATO countries. This is practically a continuation of the Third World War. The first was in Iraq when the coalition of 33 countries was established in January 1991. Iran is picking up the world coalition. While the embargo, followed
by the embargo against Iraq, will be an invasion or a coup. And today Turkey is practically on its territory, the Petriot system is established. How do you oppose air defense? In fact, this is an attack on Syria. Everything happened. I gave a definite forecast of geopolitical events for the next 20 years. And the fact that the Russian army is our base in Tajikistan. It is close to Afghanistan. Our army helped to escape the Taliban regime in 1996. I did not write the book in 1993. And we have a
good relationship with Turkey, but we are against its position in Syria. And in case of an attack on Iran, there is no direct contact with Armenia, the open border of the Soviet Union. There is a Russian army in Armenia. Grigory Smityuk, the national deputy of the party of the region. Thank you. Vladimirovich, I am very pleased to ask you a question. The global trend of today's world, the military, political unions, other economies, it is very important. But I, as a national deputy, as a citizen
of Ukraine, do not worry about the situation that has happened or is happening today between our friendly, peaceful, relative countries, when there was one basis in the basis of Kiev and Russia, and so on. I do not worry about the fact that our whole generation is conquering the Far East, including the one where the Russian energy carrier today receives and sells at an extremely expensive price. I do not worry about the people who put their lives at the expense of these places. They have to pay
a moderate sum today, because pension insurance does not allow them to have enough money in order to cover the costs of their life. I am interested in your opinion, because you are the leader of the largest party in the Russian Federation. You are a deputy of the state, I think. I am interested, I think that our citizens of Ukraine are interested in the following. Why? And why? Why Russia is putting the ultimate conditions in front of Ukraine? It is not better to sit behind the table and do not
put such unfulfillable tasks as today, for example, to raise the score of 7 billion. I understand that there are mistakes that are made in the right attitude, but there are also human and friendly attitudes. And you, as a representative of one of the ruling parties in Russia, why do you not state that this price is unfair? How do you assess this event? And what will you say to the same Russians who live in the territory of Ukraine and pay a moderate price? What will you say to those people who
put their lives at the expense of the Far East and pay a moderate price? What will you tell them today? How will you explain to them your position? Please. Of course, if we had a former state, then there would be no difference in prices. And in Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan, we all paid much less than in Europe and America. We had very low prices for electricity, gas and so on. But what you say that today is very expensive, I agree with you. But how can we be? We are different states. You suggest
that Russia retreat from the world prices and sell it to its neighbors at the annual prices. And what does Russia get in return? Do you know that in the last years, before the collapse of the USSR, in the 1980s, most of all the money was invested in Ukraine. Not in Ural, not in Siberia. We invested a lot of money in Central Asia, in the Caucasus. I lived there myself and I know well Central Asia and Caucasus. And what is the result? What did we get? A hostile attitude to our country. The narrow
ing of the field of Russian language. Even Russian names are forbidden to be called by someone. If the zone of influence of Russian language is expanded abroad, then the enemy of Ukraine is trying... Where, for example, Mr. Zhirinov? In Turkey, please. In Iran, in Poland, in Europe, in Italy. Everywhere, the need for the course of Russian language is opened. Everywhere, in turn, a huge diaspora of Russian spread across Europe. And today, in New York, Russian newspapers, Russian radio, may be mor
e than you in Ukraine. The staff lives only in New York, a million Russians. And in the whole of America, up to seven million. In Germany, Russian advertising, Russian newspapers, a single night, everything is in Russian. Whole shops, whole quarters. That's why the only place in Ukraine where they are fighting, in the Baltics, they restored Russian language, so to speak. And they are waiting for Russian tourists to come there. In this sense, you don't need to prove it yourself. You know it very
well. We bought 400,000 apartments in Bulgaria. And in Crimea, we practically don't have any. We leave 3 billion of Turkey for its resorts. We could leave Ukraine. You cry that there is not enough money for gas. So who interferes to get the Russian money from the factories in Crimea? Why don't you let Russian people in there? Well, why do you interfere to pass them a train? Kerch, Moscow Kerch, Simferopol, and Sevastopol, Yalta, and so on. That is, what is the point of the customs union? The ent
ry of Ukraine into the customs union allows you to add to the budget $ 4 billion a year. This is a free gas. Why a free gas? You may have a free gas, a free Russian gas. In addition, if you get an entry, now you will get an entry, and you will already have money. What about your expenses? Who is responsible for this? You ask us to support the people by paying them a lot of money. I'm sorry to interrupt you. I asked Russia to sell gas at a fair price. I told you how you evaluate the situation whe
n Ukraine did not really use gas, and now it is sold for $ 7 billion. You explain it. Yes, I explain. This is the norm of any international delivery agreement. If you do not like it, do not close it. But in any agreement there is that if you do not want to get that product, then pay part of its cost. Otherwise, the delivery man will lose. We close the agreement to buy 50 million cubes of gas. You say, we only need 20, and what do we do with 30? We did not sell 30? We lose everything. You say, yo
u do not want to lose $ 7 billion, and we lose $ 100 billion. By the way, we are not saying that you pay us just like that. We say, buy as much gas as you want. And we say that if you buy less, then give us money. Now we have decided 20, let's say 1 billion, and in the contract 30, you pay $ 7 billion. Who prevents you from counting? I agree that you do not have enough money to buy our gas. But what should we do in this situation? To lie to you? You are a foreign state. So we had a Soviet Union
inside us. Most territories were unable, all of them were dilated. Like today's Russia, we have only 10 donors in 10 regions. 70 of them are farmers. Even people are innocent. And we overestimate. We take away the wealth of the regions and give them where there is no gas or oil. People should live. But how can we do this with Ukraine? You are a foreign state. Besides you, there is also Belarus, Baltic, Georgia, Middle Asia. How many neighbors do we have? You made a phrase of a foreign state here
. Valerychalay. What state? We are a foreign... A friendly neighbour. Yes, a neighbourly, brotherly, but a foreign term. We are not one state. Kravchuk proposed independence on December 1, 1991. We did not want this. And a hundred times we suggested free, beneficial to you our unification. And let it be said, the Ukrainian-Russian people living here. You voted for the entry into the customs union about 30% or 40%? 36%. The rest are against it. It is here, in this auditorium. You gathered them. L
et's give a free referendum. I assure you, 70% will be for the entry into the customs union. Not less. All of them. But no referendum will be held. Czechoslovakia. Czechoslovakia wants to go back to the Soviet bloc. She experienced NATO, Eurozone and the European Union. They all united. Hungary and Bulgaria, all who entered the customs union, they all began to live worse. What was the last international referendum held in Russia? The illegal referendum about the conclusion of a new union treaty.
Not in one country, such a kind of referendum was not held. Czechoslovakia will hold a referendum. We will build a pool in this portal. It is possible. Will our country remain a referendum? It happens. You come here as an expert in Ukraine. Many years ago, you were swimming with water. I was not swimming with you. It is your people. You are an expert. You even tried your cabbage today. Yes, again. There is good news. No, I am talking about the Bessarabia. You were talking about the Bessarabia.
Your argumentation. You give these phrases. The first phrase. The independence of Ukraine was destroyed. The first one was Russia. You have forgotten. The second one. You said independence on December 1. It was destroyed by the Soviet Union. Including Russia. And there were objective conditions. The second moment. Ukraine was not at that time, as you tell, as a consumer of the dotation region. We were one of the republics that gave the result. Our problem was that the entire military industry th
at was lying to us, in the end. In connection with this, it sounds like Dmitry Medvedev said that Russia needs people. You were right. 160 million can really fall apart if you don't add demographic. Apparently, Ukraine is considered as such a resource. I understand the position of Russia. But I have a question in connection with this. Now, you are constantly talking about the customs union. Although here are not all the numbers. By the way, they are better than you said. They are more than 100 p
eople in the EU today. But today, the union in Russia officially sounds the Prime Minister, the President, says that it is necessary to establish four spaces with the European Union. To unite, to modernize through relations with the West, with the European Union. And you are pulling in a different direction. Does this mean that your party does not support the official line of the Prime Minister of the Russian Federation? You are talking about providing a mutual exchange with new technologies. We
are not asking about the introduction of Russia to the European Union or NATO. In this sense, there is a general exchange, please. From America, from China, India, anywhere. You are saying that there were objective reasons for falling apart. There was no objective reason. Not one. This year, where were we more highly developed than today? Each of us in our individuality. Where were we more highly developed? We have achieved the results of 1990. That is why it was all provocation. And it did not
provoke Russia. It was profitable for the West. The separation of the Soviet Union. It was his dream. It was not possible to divide through Hitler. It was done through corruption. Our leaders bought it. As it continues to be bought today, we have orange and we do not. Only we are stronger. It is harder for you to do it. Because you are closer to the border. What color do you have, fifth column? What color do you have? Orange is the general name of all who, performing the will of the West, arran
ge the revolution. You were in Belize, in Bishkek, and we had an attempt on December 4, 2011. They went out 100,000. I did not support them. If it were 10 million, you could have done the revolution. But 100,000 is not enough to complete any revolution. Moreover, they were completely peaceful. And they did not set the goal to complete this revolution at all. It is a matter of self-pity. You started with the fact that everything is created on the premonition. Yes. And Russia is holding on to the
premonition. It is clear. Therefore, your party is performing as well. If you were in our studio, you would perform with other organizations. For example, on the one hand, there is a certain amount of Russian people living in the Far East, and on the other hand, more than a billion Chinese people. 391,000 Chinese people are on the same Russian side. And they said, we want love with Ukraine, mutual love, so that Ukrainians and Russians have a balance with the Chinese. Maybe such a propaganda woul
d be more real? Any kind of propaganda that there is a threat of China in the Far East is not a corresponding reality. There is no threat of China in the Far East. And, in principle, we can deal with this population. The population of Russia with more territory with Catherine II and in Poland and Finland were only 7 million. 7 million. Can you imagine? Now we have more than 20 times more. Therefore, the demographic factor does not play a role. Nobody will ever get 1 meter of Russian territory. T
hat's it. You have given two islands last year. You have given two islands last year. And what is this island between the Russian and the Russian right? You have not given it to the international right. No. I repeat once again. For these years, the Far East has changed the river. If the river flows and the islands are closer to the river, we have to give it back. So, when the Tsar was in the Soviet Union, the Far East was closer to the Chinese river. The islands were ours. But the time is changi
ng. If the islands have already moved towards the Chinese side, then these islands can belong to China. We have not established the border with China for 300 years. 300 years. We should have established it at the end of the century. The Chinese did not need anything else. They asked us to establish the demarcation. We did not have it. We had our port-a-tour and almost half of Manchuria was ours. Therefore, we did not agree with the centuries. We had two islands. And they did not do anything. But
we made the norm of international maritime law. You do not want to make the norm for which you have to pay for gas. What are you doing? You pay and get gas in a different place. You are now full of sources of gas. You buy it in Qatar, you buy it in Turkmenia. You heard about the Slavic gas. You have so much energy. You do not have it. Like any alternative source of energy. Soko said, let's have soy and corn tomorrow. Nothing will work out. We have to feed the cattle. And you want to make energy
out of it. You will get one energy, and where will be the meat? And to produce this energy, you need to spend even more energy. What is good gas? You do not need to do anything. It is in the ground. Please. I have such a surprise for you as a radical proposal near Kyiv-Moscow. Please talk to the head of the Moscow watchman so that the difference between Kyiv and Moscow is not two hours. Because maybe it will be a little easier for you to come to brotherly Ukraine. I advise Ukraine and Kyiv to m
ove to Moscow time. Russian language is the only state language. And then everything will be fine. And in Ukrainian, for God's sake, everyone speaks in Turkish, in Romanian, and so on. But the language unites us. I suspect that soon Turkey will make the Russian language the second language. In Israel, the Russian language is the second. In America, the Russian language is the third. In English, Spanish, Russian. Everything is already human. It goes to this. And in many countries, there are three
or four languages. Therefore, no one prevents the Russian language from touching at least. But all kinds of pressure. They have already made the Russian language the working language in the regions. They don't want to increase it, to reduce it. Why do you mock Russians? Why shouldn't you speak and think about Russians? This is a miracle. In the 21st century, you were pushed and pushed by Russian culture. All Russian schools were closed in Kyiv. How many schools were there? One school. Please, d
on't use more information that is provided to you by those people who provided you this information. I see it from your press. That's what I read from your press. If your journalists are lying, then you are not allowed to speak the truth. I'm sorry to interrupt you. In this studio, there are more than 100 people. They all speak Russian. They all write in Russian. They all read in Russian. They can communicate freely in Russian. Please, if we come to Moscow, we can speak Ukrainian in the studio.
Please. Do you think there will be people who understand? No. If you come to the studio, we can speak Ukrainian. But no one will understand you. Vladimir Volfovich, I invite you to spend the next vacation with me in Ukraine. Yes. You will be able to speak Ukrainian in Russian and you will have no problems in Russian. Please, don't think about it. How many schools are there in the city of Kyiv? How many? One. How many? How many schools do you have? Not 20. How many more? My children are studying
in a 155th school. If you visit this school tomorrow, your children will speak Russian with you. How many schools are there in the Crimea? There should be no such schools. One. Crimea. Do you understand? You have to go to the territory of the Russian Federation. And they take everything. They clean Ukraine completely. Here is your scenario. This scenario was made several years ago. Do you have any healthy thoughts? You already know the story. When Russia joined Crimea two years ago, there was no
Ukraine nearby. It was Russia. For God's sake, there was a common army. The Poles were in the army. The Finns, the Turkmens, and Uzbeks were in the army. Stalin said that in June 1945, I say thank you to the Russian people. The only people who provided victory over the fascist Germany. There were a lot of people. Only the Russians broke the Crimea. The rest of them ran away, unfortunately. And we do not have the memory of Bender or Shukhevich, who destroyed the Soviet soldiers, because they lib
erated Ukraine from the fascists. There is a difference. The story of the dead has happened recently. Thank you, Mr. Zhirinovsky. I turn to the Russian and Ukrainian people. The best relations to Ukraine in Russia. There is no one anti-Ukrainian thought. No step. I want it to be the same in Ukraine. To stop bothering each other, to remember the bad things that happened in the past, and to have a cheap gas for Ukraine. And Ukraine, in return, also gave something. We can agree. We can trade. You h
ave a lot of what you can sell to Russia. You can buy a lot of Russian gas. But let's spread it all. And remember, I do not want to wish you bad things, but you will never be accepted into the European Union. It is nice to stand in the front and wait, when you are told to go there, as the Turks did not say. 50 years of Turkey has been waiting to enter the European Union. Mr. Zhirinovsky, Mr. Zhirinovsky. The great people of the space nation we are in space with you, so to speak, will soon fly th
e Russian space ships to the moon, and to Mars, and to Venus. And you, you understand, will be standing in the front-bank as a Romanian courier, or a Polish satirist. Did you live with us all this? So think about it. And if you want, you yourself do not change politics. I do not say anything to you. Come on, with Russia. You decide for yourself. When the announcement on Afghanistan, Iran and Turkey. I thank you, Mr. Zhirinovsky. We will unite. And in this stage will go further on Russian music.
Thank you. For participating in the program of freedom of speech. Thank you.
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