The Ultimate AI Law Overview for Creators | Award-Winning IP-Attorney Peter Nieves

hey it's NAIT here and in this session you'll get an ultimate AI LW overview for creators I'm really excited to be joined by Peter Nevis who is a nationally recognized leader in the field of intellectual property who is extremely familiar with AI law and his effect on content creators what I thought is really cool is that Peter is a content creator himself he's an entrepreneur he's also a global IP portfolio manager he's a public speaker and many many other things he has won many awards as an IP

attorney and he's so knowledgeable at this and we are basically we are bringing him on for this session to give you all of this for free here and he would normally charge quite a lot of money if you were to hire him although what we are sharing here is not legal advice just a little disclaimer but we are going to bring some really good stuff that hopefully will be really useful for you if you're diving into this AI world so without further Ado let's dive into the session and more welcome Peter

thanks so much nid yeah that's that's exactly right everybody gets the advantage of learning the law without getting build at $600 an hour so if they can get access to you right you're a busy man I really appreciate you now we recording this is like around like the New Year basically and we are you know it's a lot of things happening in the AI world so why don't you give us a brief introduction to kind of the work you do Peter and maybe into how this is shaping up you know with you know you're a

leading IP lawyer essentially but now with AI it's even more important the work you are doing yeah it's it's really interesting because I've been dealing with artificial intelligence for about 12 plus years I represent some of the largest corporations in the world who have been dealing with AI even educational institutions and it's tremendous technology you know neural networks understanding how gener of AI works and but really what's going on with the new AI software programs is it's just a ne

w graphical user interface using technology as existed for quite some time it's not that new it it appears new because it's now being readily available to the public but quite frankly it's not that incredibly new if you've been dealing with this technology for some time now everybody is excited about this technology and as am I like a lot of us are using these tools within our corporations within our businesses you know startups people that are looking for an extra stream of income great technol

ogy the issue though is that a lot of the the information that's being utilized or images that are being provided to you as a result of you using things like mid Journey or text that's being provided to you as a result of using things like open AI chat gbt are actually things that are scraped so they're grabbing stuff from the internet from 2021 and prior taking that information doing certain things with it and then packaging it and giving it to you the problem with that is that there's a lot of

trademark and copyright violations that are associated with that so once I started seeing a lot of these AI software packages being utilized at a larger scale I gave a prediction about I think it was about 10 11 months ago I did a prediction I have a separate group where I was training people on understanding the intellectual property law issues associated with AI like the trademark issues the use of like names slogans logos um the images issues the text issues those are all copyright issues so

I was explaining a lot of that to people and so I made three predictions I said three things are going to happen number one people going to finally realize that what they're uploading is becoming publicly available that happened that happened several months ago people didn't realize it and all of a sudden they realize oh my gosh this is publicly available like Samsung had two of their employees upload source code from Samsung associated with their technology that was Trade Secrets it then becam

e publicly available Samsung reaches out to open the ey and says hey we got to remove this stuff open the ey says it's not possible we can't do it it's it's in there it's already in there we can't pull it out so that was number one and it happened number two was that there were going to be issues where people realized that their own material was being scraped and so their content that was available on the internet either on their personal sites or in subscription sites um actually was being made

readily available to others so those people were they're going to sue the larger corporations well that happened Sarah Silverman sued John Grisham sued the New York Times has sued open Ai and Microsoft like this is happening all all over the place we predicted this like 10 11 months ago but I said there was going to be a third phase and this is the one that concerned me the most because I'm a father of two two amazing women that are entrepreneurial in Spirit uh and I I know they know things abo

ut Ai and other programs and I said the next thing that's going to happen is that there are going to be lawsuits against individuals for using the results of AI when they didn't realize that there was an issue with using the results of certain AI software programs and that's when I said I've got to get out there and let people understand like what can you do what can't you do well lo and behold now there's lawsuits that are being filed against individuals for using the results of certain program

s because they're not doing trademark searches for the the resulting uh text or like um if you go on to as an example there's a site logo AI you can go there type in a word it gives you a logo it g it like it literally spits out a logo but what I did was a trademark search for the results and found out that there was a ferally registered trademark for the very result that logo AI was giving you so you're paying them to use the result they're giving you but in their own terms and conditions they'

re telling you we're not doing a trademark search you may run into liability issues for using the results of what we we're giving you so this is why I'm grateful for people like yourself and this is why I'm actually out there bringing knowledge about these intellectual property law issues so that we know which of the programs we should use when we get the results what should we do with the results to make sure we minimize potential exposure for ourselves but at the same time use an incredibly be

neficial software platform that helps us our businesses our families our friends like use it in a way that's going to be responsible and beneficial without getting sued so to speak yeah I mean we don't want to want that to happen especially as a smaller Creator like even if you're making you know seven Figures it's still not nice to be sued by like this big Corporation you're going to be screwed basically so let's get into some questions here and you already alluded to some of this in your intro

but can you really own something you create using an AI software like the like that and it can be I have a lot of follow-up questions to this but I think we can start off with in from the beginning for example you want to create a book or an ebook some kind of lead magnet using AI what do you do there and maybe the imagery as well that goes into this maybe I mean I I know yourself using mid journey and tools like that and so let's talk about this so so the audience can understand a little bit h

ow it actually works yeah I personally love using AI software I me I use it for creating text creating images I use it for ad campaigns use it for marketing for sending summaries to clients and other things like that however I'm I'm aware of the legal issues so I don't put anything confidential into these things so let's just talk about can you own what's actually like you just asked can you own what's created through AI right is that even possible um the there's there's a major issue here uh nu

mber one when it comes to copyright law there are multiple components to copyright law and this is how you can actually own something so if an image is spit out or a text comes out copyright law would cover what's actually provided to you so if you use mid journey and you get an image you'd want to own that image so you can use it for marketing purposes somebody else can't grab it and take it well the copyright office came out and said you cannot own a copyright on something that's created by ar

tificial intelligence because it's created by a machine and so by its very nature copyright is only provided to somebody if it is original if it's fixed and it's created by an author and that author has to be a human being can't be a machine there was actually a really funny case where um somebody lost their camera a monkey found the camera took a picture of itself it is the funniest picture everybody should look this up the camera like the monkey smiling at the camera picture goes viral it's a

huge a huge hit the owner of the camera wants to follow copyright for the picture and the copyright office says no like you may act like a monkey but you can't you're not the monkey and so you can't own the copyright for this thing and so the same logic is being used for artificial intelligence they're saying that the party who is actually making the decision as to what is going to be rendered is the neural network combined with the AI bot and for that reason the the Creator is actually the arti

ficial intelligence and not the human being now this is a really interesting situation because copyright law has allowed you to get a a copyright for a picture using what your camera or in my case a cell phone so the r now used by the copyright office is that yeah this is a machine however you're looking at things like lighting shading who's the subject matter that's involved and so you're heavily involved in the picture that's being taken and here's my response to that my camera is on right now

here's my response here's my camera I'm not even looking at the subject matter I just go like this boom I've got a picture okay that picture right now this is the picture that I just took I own the copyright on that okay did you see me look at the lighting or the shading no I didn't do any of that so are you telling me that a prompt engineer who spends a lot of time creating the perfect prompt to come out with the perfect rendered image where that prompt is remarkably verbos like many paragraph

s long if not pages long and then fine-tuned and then edited and fine-tune and edited and fine-tune finally you get the Perfect Image you're telling me that that they didn't create that image there's a problem with that and so the copyright office actually allowed for public comment um a few months back and I believe within the next five months you're going to see a major change at the copyright office on this very issue I believe you're going to see them come back and say you know what we think

if if the prompt isn't enough detail then you may result in a situation where you can own the result of artificial intelligence that's rendered from the properly crafted prompt so I think that's going to change but as of right now if it's created by AI you can't own it yes very very interesting I I was thinking for example if I dictate a book I basically it's my thoughts it's exactly what I say and then I upload it to an AI tool maybe chat gbt maybe another one is that something I mean of cours

e I'm making it publicly available so it should be something I want to upload there not sensitive information not like medical or anything like that but but what could could I mean since is my thoughts could I then own the copyright to this but I'm just getting like maybe using the AI to write part of it or at least you know organize my thoughts better right so as a lawyer like I I've been doing IP for 25 years and I I look at every word that someone's saying right so the first thing that you sa

id was if I dictated it so if all it's doing is transcribing what you're saying by all means you own it because it's literally the exact same words now if instead you have here's the thing under copyright law you don't own ideas ideas are not owned what you own is the fixed form of your dictation or the fixed form of what you created so I have an idea for a like a scene it's a sunset it's a beach there's two palm trees there's a hammock there and there's like my daughter on the beach relaxing in

g watching that and I paint it right when I paint it the rendered painting I own under copyright law but the thought of it I don't own so it's now it has to be rendered if I speak it so as an example let's say I dictate something and I use otter AI to transcribe it right and Otter AI is actually transcribing exactly what I say by all means I own the copyright because it's transcribing exactly what I'm saying course now if I take that transcription and I use otter AI to create a summary and then

I take that summary and I upload that summary into chat gbt and say create a five-page book based on this transcription that modification is going to be substantially different from what I originally created and therefore it's going to be considered to be a new work if it's considered to be a new work the artificial intelligence is what created that modification there's a way around this though and this is something that I've been coaching people on if you're doing a modification if if the modif

ication is so similar to the original work as to be considered what's called a derivative right so it's it's not exactly the same and it's not so different that it's a new work it's somewhere in between then you might be able to make an argument that the newly modified version of what you originally owned is so similar that the ownership rights fall under the original creation so to make this very simple for everybody in the audience I created 10 page book right I dictate it boom I own the copyr

ight obviously because it's just transcribing what I'm saying that's it so I own that right now I upload in the chat GPT and I just say all right chat GPT take every time that the word very shows up replace that word with um like uh some other word right I just replace one word I would argue I still own the copyright on that because it's so similar to the original work that it falls under the ownership right of the original and if I use something like grammarly grammarly does modifications and y

ou still own the copyright you know for just changing sentence structure a little bit but the issue is that chat GPT doesn't technically work that way it reworks your document and if it's reworking your document so it's now considered to be a new work that new work was created by artificial intelligence and therefore you can't own that modification if it's very similar you and this is a really important issue guys if it's so similar to your original work you might be able to argue that that new

creation the legal rights fall under the original work you own the original work so if somebody copies that slight modification they have Fringe your original work but not your newly created work through chat GPT that might be a way around the system to win yeah so it's yeah it's you you got to understand how to work the system to make it to be basically make it beneficial for you it's interesting because I've heard for example if I create an image in mid Journey uh of course you don't own the c

opyright to this as you mentioned before but let's say I create the image there I have my prompt and all this and then I take it into Photoshop and I modify this what what's is that a way around this to actually okay I have modified it enough so then it's my unique work I mean not just adding a filter I'm talking about some more advanced stuff um you know I'm doing some extra things I'm going in there you know changing the maybe the scenery and different things but I'm using part of the image I

got from mid Journey basically would that something that helps it's a good question it needs to be a new it needs to be a new created work so let's say as an example you use mid journey and you get the Mona Lisa right yeah like how many people actually know what's in the background the Mona Lisa practically nobody I know because basically I'm a nerd and like I study the law in the background you know there's Greenery there's water like I know what the background looks like so let's say you uploa

d that image from mid jour journey into paint shop or some other program Adobe and so now you're modifying the background the problem is that the face is still there the hands are still there and so that newly created work would have to be so different from the original work so as to Warrant legal rights under copyright law which means it has to be new it can't be a copy it has to be it has to Warrant a it's a new created work so if her face is there that's not a new created work if you just cha

nge the background that's not a new created work um a really good example of this is I don't know if your audience has heard of this um there was a comic book that Christina castanova filed a trademark application for right it's uh called zarya The Dawn all right she actually created all the writing for the comic book she did the text herself she had the images created by mid Journey then she wanted to own the comic book mean so nobody could copy the comic book um she would basically own the mar

ket for that comic book so she filed a copyright application for the comic book the copyright office first granted her legal rights for the whole comic book then what happened was they realized that she created the images through mid Journey because she was talking about the fact that she was one of the first people to actually get uh a copyright on something created by AI copyright office found out and they revoked her legal rights to the imag because they were created by AI so in her comic boo

k she owns the words but she doesn't own the images do you see that that it's very interesting because I think when you're just doing images for let's say your blog or something yes you can do it in your brand style and stuff but it's not I don't think it's as important for these things but if you're doing a commercial of some kind like let's say Nike wanted to do they they would for sure not do this because they need to Own 100% you know without any doubts what they are what they are putting ou

t there so if you're doing something something maybe more important than just like a Blog image or something that goes on social media I think you need to be a little more careful at least that's how I would look at it like I'm using mid Jour a lot I'm sure you're using it a lot as well for L different Creations yeah yeah I use it a lot so this's what I do I'll use like stealth mode in um in mid Journey so that my images don't become part of their database right so let's say you you're creating

a Christmas card and your 2-year-old son you have a picture of your son like dressed up it's 2 years old you're uploading into mid Journey turning into a Christmas card to give to the family that image is now available to the public whether you want it to be or not so now your son ends up in a marketing campaign for a corporation that you knew nothing about if you use stealth mode what happens is the image of your son is not Avail not available to the public however you're using Discord when you

're using Discord people can see the image so they can rightclick it and save it but there's less of a chance that somebody's going to copy a picture of your son by looking at Discord and seeing one image that they like right so you just as an owner of a company as an individual what you should definitely be these tools are great there's no reason not to use the tools you just have to think to yourself okay I have a company I've got a marketing campaign I need a new image for the marketing campa

ign I go into mid journey I say okay we're selling we're selling cars uh most of the cars are black in color they're sports cars uh and they're used in tropical locations predominantly I type in all that stuff I get certain cars there I make some modifications what I want to do now is take that image and do a copyright search or even on Google if you look in the search bar in Google if you look right there to the right there's something that looks like a camera you click on that you can upload t

he image that you have received by using mid Journey you can upload the image and Google will now give you any public images that are very similar to what you just uploaded you see something that looks exactly the same you go oh there might be a copyright issue here so you can use certain tools that are available to make sure that what's rendered is okay to use you just want to make sure you're doing it you know do your homework just this is not even though this is a great tool and it's free it

doesn't mean you should use all these things for business purposes cuz if it belongs to somebody else then you can run into a legal issue yeah I think with certain tools even if they are paid tools they don't protect you that much I think that's worth talking about I think with Adobe they at least they claim in their terms if you have a legal issue they are protecting you up to a certain amount which was quite a lot by the way uh so that's great that's comforting but I don't know you're you're a

lawyer here why don't you speak a little bit about that because you probably check out of terms no one else is we we don't read this normally when you're when you're signing up for these tools how often do you really redefine them I'm starting to look at my life right now and going why am I not watching Netflix instead of reading the law you know yeah so this is this is what actually happens is these are called indemnification Provisions okay so what it means is that if somebody sues you then y

ou make a third party of aware of this like whoever actually is indemnifying you you make them aware of the lawsuit and now step in to defend you like they'll pay your legal fees up to a certain amount uh take care of your potential liability they're the ones that will defend you right multiple companies have done this I think open AI at this point Microsoft Adobe others have said look if you get sued this is such a big issue right now this is such a major issue that these major corporations hav

e come out and said look we don't want you to stop using our software we want you to continue the only way we can get you to continue since you're seeing all this litigation taking place is if we tell you that if you get sued we'll protect you and so for that reason we're going to give you an indemnification provision but what you got to make sure you do is that there's a timeline to notify them there's certain conditions that have to be um have to be followed to qualify for indemnification so j

ust make sure that you're you're careful about this if you're going to lean upon companies for indemnification but Yeah by all means they they can protect you they can come out and say look if you get sued for using the results of my software then I'm going to protect you it's just think of it this way there are millions naid there are millions of people using these software platforms do you honestly believe that they're going to defend millions of people I mean very tricky there yeah there ther

e is a in litigation there is a point there there's a point of pain that you're willing to go through and then you basically are going to like say I give up like you're going to throw your hands up right so if there were like let's say tens of thousands of lawsuits against people for using the content of open AI um I think there's a point where open AI basically says okay we can't we can't defend absolutely everybody now I'm not saying they're going to do this they're not going to this this this

you're talking about a company that made over a billion dollars last year like they made tons of money on the technology and so they have those resources there to protect the people that are using their software will they I'm sorry I'm just not that confident that you know um these corporations are going to defend literally every single person that potentially gets sued I think what's going to happen instead is that if there are a ton of different lawsuits and as of right now you have um The Ne

w York Times actually sued uh Microsoft and sued open AI if this this thing goes forward and this moves up and goes to like the Supreme Court or something like that and a decision is made saying look your database which is using scraped data contains tons of copyright and trademark infringement material you need to scrap that database and start all over that is a possibility there may be a point where like a court of law says look you have so much infringing material you can't fix this situation

you need to start over now I think we're far away from that point but the lawsuits have like piled up there are a lot of lawsuits that are being filed this is why you need to look at kind of some of the Alternatives like Adobe Firefly great option like they have open-source images they have licensed images you can use their platforms and not worry about being sued because it's their material like the results are from them like it's their licensed content what are they going to sue you for using

their own stuff like that's not going to happen because they want to keep you as a customer as a client so you look for certain resources that have licensed content and use the results of that the alternative is make sure you're doing a trademark search or a copyright search for the results that you're getting if you're using it in a business sense like if you're using it for a personal sense look this is not legal advice for anybody you're using it for a personal you know personal thing like y

ou're sending a Christmas card to your parents what are the chances of you being sued for sending up Christmas card to your parents like very low like what are the damages practically non-existent right so who's going to hire a lawyer like me at 600 to a th000 bucks an hour to bring a lawsuit against you for a Christmas card like I'm not telling people to infringe what I'm saying is measure what you're doing and be smart about it if you're using it for a business reason if it's going to be used

within your company make sure sure you're doing the trademark searches the copyright searches you know make sure your marketing team understands these issues they may not be even be aware I've talked to tons of people like 75 80% of the people are not even aware of these legal issues at all yeah no I find it really interesting with also the thirdparty tools that are built on top of open AI API and all this and some are better than others I really like content at scale uh it's just a tool that yo

u can write really in depth post I would be interested to know if you let's say I take my this video that we are doing right now talking about the the legal aspects of AI and how how all this affects and I can write probably based on this interview here I can probably do like a 3,000 4,000 word blog post I put this YouTube link inside a software and then it spits out like this really amazing blog post would that be something if I add something to me it's basically our content we are creating it

right here and it's using just this would that be something I could potentially have copyright or could people just steal this content from my blog afterwards well here's the all right so this is where it's really important and I've got a program that actually talks about it's called The Protector idea challenge this is really important for you guys to understand if you're bloggers and you're good at it your content is important right there are people that will take your content and then create

30 second segments and do entire writings and then get a following and subscription Services based on your content that's called copyright infringement like the mere fact that naid right now is recording this things means that he owns a copyright okay so in it of itself once you record once it's fixed now there's certain legal rights that are associated with somebody who's speaking like a guest like there's certain things that that there are certain legal rights that come associated with that bu

t the fact that it matters naid owns the recording right so there's certain under copyright law he technically owns the copyright even though he has not filed a federally registered copyright like he hasn't filed for an application and by the way just so people know cost 65 bucks it's it's like the cheapest version of protection that's out there for intellectual property law on on the copyright website it's not expensive so if you have something that's really important invest the 65 bucks and ge

t a federal registration that's how you stop others from using your content so but what you want to do is on your videos put the copyright notice like let people know this protectable under Federal rights under Federal copyrights right Circle C the year and the owner or right copyright and then the year and the owner like that's how you write your copyright notice you don't have to file for federal registration to have legal rights under copyright so if if we've got like a video it's up on Youtu

be We Own the copyright on that somebody comes over transcribes that that's copyright infringement somebody grabs clips of it that's copyright infringement so but what if I into the AI tool content at scale that basically based on it's not just a transcript that that's what I I think we talked a little bit about this before because we are changing it I mean it's not just going to be exactly the way we are speaking it it's not just a transcription right it's it's going to be a free flowing blog p

ost with headlines and things like that and actually based on this session we just take a link content skill does a really good job at it I don't have to change all that much and I because I enjoy creating these this is my main piece of content then I go into an AI tool and I create the other content that I don't want to spend all this time that took me forever before and that's actually how I speed up my workflow that's so I'll be cu% the exactly the same thing I'm not alone then so that's awes

ome yeah so so think of it this way you know how it adds the subtitles for you automatically or like emojis or like you put like an image on the bottom that's responding to what you're doing or you're talking about a certain scene and the image shows up and all that stuff there that modification to the original work includes the original work right so us speaking here are there so anybody who grabbed any of that that would be that would be considered copyright infringement of course clearly that

would be copy infringement you can just you cannot take my long video to take someone else I mean take it to Opus clip or one of these tools okay I own this now because I cliped it up I can do this and I can send it to you and you can post all over your social media or someone else or they can take I think YouTube has something so you can take shorter segments of a video if I allow that or something like that yes that that's very possible I think yeah absolutely so the the original copyright ow

ner the original blogger the original person who's doing the Vlog those people are the ones that own the copyright so they can cut it clip it modify it do whatever they want now if you take that and you upload it into let's say like V right v v is very simple to use it's adding subtitles you can do Clips you can do all sorts of stuff you still own the copyright or not cuz it's it's it's substantially the same work it's just adding a little bit of stuff now what happens though if I take my video

and I now upload it into let's say um there's some new programs that have come out where you can take the person's face and you can replace their face with somebody else right and you can CH for example you can do this you can even have your lips synced in different languages and stuff like that which is really that's exactly right so you can change the audio all right so this is what one influencer said to do and this this is copyright infringement I hate to tell people this but this is copyrig

ht infringement this is what they said if you want to increase your sales online you go to Instagram you get you look for the top five uh individuals who are like influencers on Instagram you take their videos right you use this AI program to replace the face then you take the voice the audio you replace the audio right so now you've got the same video that's been playing with a new face and a different audio and now you create a new account on Instagram using the same their videos but with a di

fferent face with different audio right that's called copyright infringement you cannot do that and so people will do that but the reason why he said to do that was because now you can create five fake accounts and now with those five fake accounts you can increase followers because it's already known that the video content results in a lot of followers so you use very similar hash tags and use very similar descriptions but it's a different face and different audio so now you're increasing the f

ollowers in those accounts and then once the the the followers get high enough now you start offering products for sale or services for sale on those fake accounts that's copyright infringement you can't do that but influencers don't know that and so what happens is people that are become pretty big in this area reach out to people like myself and they say hey they're stealing all my content I'm making all this money on this and all of a sudden it's going to this other person and that's when we

send the cease and the cist letter over to them and say hey back off and by the way you owe them the attorney's fees and you owe them x amount of Damages otherwise we're going to court so when you discover something like that and you are let's say you're a course creator you're a YouTuber you create content should just contact the lawyer immediately or should you just send them uh you know hey this is my content or what what is the best approach to this this that's a great question this this is

what I tell people to do and again not legal advice okay talk to just just to I've had before AI was a big thing in the content creation world I had I mean I have a course called virtual Summit Mastery before we sold a lot of it and of course with even if you don't have the biggest program sometimes it goes all all around the web and people are like you know putting on on these download websites you know for free and I think even if you're a bigger entrepreneur I see these programs all the time

and I even if they work with lawyers like yourself they're still on these websites it's very difficult to come around this and that's not just basically taking the program and uploading it somewhere I think that was the initial thing now with AI I think this is just becoming maybe a bigger problem because now they're not just stealing the courses maybe they're stealing all their content yeah so one of the things you want to do is um actually there's a number of things you can do because I repres

ent a bunch of parties who actually have a lot of ecourses and and personally people have been asking me to create more ecourses so that they can instead of waiting for my next presentation they can just watch it anytime day or night right so we started doing that as well so this's what you do you've got your copyright notices that are provided at the beginning you've got your copyright notice that's available during the video your copyright notices at the end um there are certain certain platfo

rms that you can use that become very difficult to record off of what you have however there are certain AI platforms that once it's playing you can use the AI in the background to just grab the content so yeah at the end of the day is it possible that somebody will steal your content absolutely I mean you can put you can put up all sorts of barriers and there's always a chance that somebody will steal it but what you want to do is minimize the chances of it being scraped okay and as of right no

w um a number of these companies like open Ai and others are allowing you to communicate with them to say hey I don't want you scraping my content like this is my site this is my content you can't have access to this and so there are there are websites that you can go to give the addresses for your content so that these companies won't grab your content um and then there's other things you can do like when you're doing websites would you go I mean if you can share some examples where I what I ca

n do is grab some of the list and I'll send it to you so you can actually share sure I can share it in the description you have also a great ebook I just wanted to mention so if anyone during the session I put it that in the description as well so you can download Peter's ebook it has a lot of great tips when it comes to all of this we are talking about here yeah so that ebook I would honestly I would take a look at this everyone because this is it's covering the top three legal concerns for AI

users so it's kind of some of the things that we've talked about plus some other things because when you're dealing with artificial intelligence there's really three main categories I tell people to think about number one is what's coming in number two is what's coming out and then number three is what can you own and so understanding that if you can understand that well and train your teams in it you could be highly successful in using artificial intelligence within your company you just need t

o know how to use it and so we touch based on some of that you know within the ebook um so I would and naid is giving that out for free and we're giving that out for free to all you guys so enjoy it um y yeah so again what we're not saying is stop using these programs what we're what we're telling you is think of it this way a scalpel can do amazing work in the hand of a surgeon it could also do incredible damage in the hand of a child let's not be children when it comes to this kind of Technolo

gy let's become more educated so that we're using it well and we can do incredibly well in the business world because I use this technology within my Law Firm I use it within my educational institution and it's allowed me to Advance very fast however I don't put any confidential information there for clients um when I'm using otter AI you know to actually transcribe and create a summary and then create an email for clients and other people there's nothing confidential in there like I'm not using

health information no secur social security information no Bank information nothing confidential um and because of that I don't care if somebody gets access to it like it just doesn't matter to me and you know what probably 60% of of the people watching this don't care they just they're thinking well I don't care if somebody sees what I'm uploading what they might care about though is when they get a knock on the door saying hey cease and assist using my content um using my logo or my trademark

or my image or my book or my you know any of that because I'm going to sue you or even worse they just get sued and that's what's happening right now people aren't even giving warnings they're just suing so we got to make them aware yeah no totally I think there's there's a lot that goes into this when it comes to creating creating content because people they are you know at one one point they're using chat gbt but there's other tools as well where you can upload your data I think that is reall

y interesting because chbt unless you're in the Enterprise uh because most of you if you're are a content creator most likely you're using the free plan or which I recommend the $20 a month plan is a great investment I think for just getting started with AI but there's a lot of other tools where you can upload like databases there's you know I've used a tool called searchy there's uh coach Fox Ai and you can basically upload more not I'm not saying confidential information but maybe something th

at goes into how you deal with your team like Sops in your business and things like that and I think at least from how I understand this this is actually more protected within what you're uploading there because that's a close closed environment so can you talk a bit about that that what you said is 100 everybody needs to listen to what NV just said what he just said is the most important thing is you want a closed environment that's the key the language is a closed environment so something like

chat TPT Enterprise it it's wonderful in that it's supposed to be a closed environment your content is not being uploaded into the main database and made available to third parties but people are complaining that the experience with it is very dry it's very boring because it's not learning like it's it's not it's not taking the content that you're giving to it adding it to the database gaining new things and giving you results so that mostly for bigger corpor I mean the Enterprise mostly for bi

gger corporations then we have the playground which which is kind of boring as well that's like if you're building apps and things like that or building on top of the API and all this then you can play around there but I think for the average user you're usually in the main interface which is I mean I hope they improve that and add a search that that's actually why all these other tools they are thriving because they have a great user interface you can search you can sort things I mean that's th

at's really how why I use other tools as well and then I come back to chbt for idation and maybe some other things as well but I and I I do like the plugins and the GPT store which is a I think it's a game changer if that can that that's actually a great legal thing to speak about too with the GPT store because I think there was some leaks when that came out actually and there was some big issues there I don't know if you actually saw some of this Peter I'm sure you're I saw just um yeah you jus

t have to be careful and and when you're looking at these different platforms and the way they work with each other so I mean think of it this way something that's kind of related to what you're talking about here is is that a lot of the AI programs will work together right so as an example you can use Chad GPT to create a prompt that you can then upload into mid journey to give you the perfect result right it's so if you're using AI to talk to AI there is no way you're going to own the result u

nder copyright law just to be clear like people are trying to find a way around the system it it doesn't work that way like AI to AI does not result in any ownership now rights now there are issues with some of these programs where what you upload actually does become available to third parties we already talked about that but there there's also there's also an issue where there's this doctrine that has to do with um not being able to pull content out so basically a violation of darer rules righ

t which is that like data privacy Rights Act um and this is why programs like chat TBT are not legal in certain countries like you can't even use them because once you put stuff in it's it's gone and that's the way a neural network works it gets smarter and smarter based on what information you put right so it just gets better and better and gives you better and better results that's the way that neuron networks work well with some of these these add-ons and some of these plugs and all the all t

he these things that are being created the problem is that you may have certain levels of privacy associated with the platform that you subscribe to but the one that you're using that connects to it doesn't have that level of privacy and you don't even realize that so this is something nobody's really talking about so you might use Enterprise but then you're using another platform with Enterprise that doesn't have privacy that Enterprise has is now taking the results that's being that that you'r

e getting and it's making those results available to the public even though you're using the first platform which technically is private so you've got to look at these plugins and see yeah what are they doing like we have to be more responsible right so um it just it means we need more due diligence internally before we start adding other AI programs because honestly right now there's a new AI program every day yeah if not I've tested I think hundreds and I've tested a lot of plugins but I I hav

e my set of tools that I come back to and I as I mentioned before one of them I really like and I I also like vocable is a new one by by one of our speakers Iman is really good I think and and then content at scale because he's doing such a great job with blog post and long form content that I haven't seen anywhere else and what I think they are doing which you can maybe speak to a little bit I behind the scenes they have all these prompts because you don't need to you don't need to put in you k

now all these prompts like chat gbt you might you might just enter a keyword and it spits out this amazing article or as I mentioned before you can also take a YouTube link and it spits out this great article you don't need to do too much you can you know add your stuff you can add many of your own articles in there and then it will write more in your voice of course you can do a lot of tweaking like that but you don't need to prompt it like chat gbt or go back and forth it's like one click and

then you get this 3,000 4,000 word blog post I think in this case would you argue that this is not really train the model because it's actually something they have behind closed doors similar to when you're uploading your data I think that's more of a closed environment yeah so the functionality is actually on the back end so so what's happening is that there there's multiple ways of training these things if I I'm an electrical engineer by by Nature I'm also a programmer so that's my background

and then I'm an IP attorney so I'm a trademark attorney copyright attorney patent law attorney ad young Professor like I love this that's a great mix that's the technology actually makes is so that it it becomes more Savvy because you understand how technology works well the making the data available and the functionality associated with the software available is typically is pre-programming right so there there's something that's in the system already so that that can be um it can be trained so

mething like as an example way back in the day they had a thing called Dragon Naturally Speaking right I was one of the beta testers ages ago when it first came out and so there's a training phase so the software gets to know your language gets to know your accent gets to know how you speak now that it's trained it can now go forward and do work right and so then it's just tweaking and doing SL modifications but it had to be trained first some of these programs some of these a uh AI programs tha

t are coming out already have pre-training done right so some of them are done on their own back end but then meaning their own people trained it but then some of them you need to train them so it the experience tends to be more fun when you're involved into training somewhat because this way it gets to know who you are and then when you type in like one word two words it already knows who you are and then boom it's like you got a 5,000 page writing that took you 20 seconds like I mean talk abou

t efficiency that's that is amazing now the question is who owns what's created now when you use some of these AI programs it tells you that you own whatever is created they tell you that you can you can own these for commercial purposes commercial purposes means you can sell it you can you know make a financial profit you can use it in interstate commerce right however you can't own the copyright because the AI is what created it so what does that mean what does that mean to us here's what that

means that means if you take that and you now sell that on Amazon as a book or like you know you create a book and and it becomes a top seller here's the issue you don't own the copyright that means I can copy it my daughters can copy it my wife can copy it naiv can copy it anybody can copy it and you can't say a word about it because you're not that it's how do people know that I've taken it from AI if okay this is this is very important if I add my own stories and things to it so it's not jus

t what what let's say content at scale or vocable or one of these AI platforms gave me I mean that it's based on a link or based on a keyword whatever that is I'm then taking that and actually adding in imagery I'm adding in some personal stories I mean that's that's really unique to me do I own this I mean that would be I mean no one can know it comes back to where we started when we started the entire conversation it comes back to the C the level of creativity does what's being added come to t

he level of being a new created work or is AI basically creating this right so let's say AI spits out a 5,000 Word document yeah and but it's being created based on my own thoughts right so I say let's say I have this idea there's a forest ranger he gets lost in this new area he finds a portal he steps in the portal and he ends up being like 500 years in the in the past right know he starts to try to find his way back to find another port to get out that's my storyline like it just took me 7 Sec

onds to say that I say that to this AI program and it spits out a 5,000 word story yeah do I own the story no because I what I said was a thought that that was a thought a 5,000 page thing came out now now I've got this 5,000 page thing so now my next step is I'm going to go and I'm going to Now work on modification of this thing so what happens is I now get a 5,000 Word document but I want to own a book like I want a book on this right so I create a 5,000 page or 5,000 Word document from just s

peaking for seven seconds now this result this result that I have I can't own the copyright on however what if I modify the result now so now I try to carve it into something that I own right the problem is that I would have to add a level of creativity the creativity level would have to be high enough that I actually create something that's copyrightable that that's tough to do so what I tell people instead is if you're going to create a story like you're writing a story and you get writer bloc

k and you're trying to figure out what's the next thing I can add to the next chapter I'm stuck I don't know what to do you can type some of the thoughts in in chat GPT or in another program and just ask it for the next chapter in the book and then look to see different examples and it gives you some examples of different storylines now you've got it can break that writer block and you can go oh okay got it this new character is introduced and does blah blah blah got it now you create your own y

ou know you're you're adding to your story based on what was suggested cuz copyright is not ownership of an idea it's the fixed form of the idea right so you just got a suggestion from this AI software you can take that suggestion and now turn it into your own right but what you what you can do is take a 5,000 Word document then try to change a word here change a word there and think you own the copyright doesn't work that way yeah I I think that's I mean it's really interesting what these diffe

rent tools can do because somewh is like one click right but I think as I think it's worth course if you're going into let's say chat gbt and doing this because then if you get a blog post out maybe there's going to be a similar one on someone else's blog if you if you're doing something Sim like with a similar keyword or similar structure but if you're using a more tool in a closed environment maybe content at scale at least I could assume it's not going to happen that this is coming to someone

else this exact same post I mean I that would be strange I mean I hope that's not happening because they are using it on their own side a lot and basically Julia which is also on the summit H she's uh she's basically using this to add her own experience to this as well that's kind but but what you said you cannot add an maybe you have this 5,000 word blog post and you're adding like a little bit of your experience maybe that's not enough I think for all cop if let's say somebody does a recordin

g and then what you're doing is you're taking let's say like a 20 second clip of it or a 30 second clip clip of that recording and then you're you're adding your own comments and you're talking about this what you're talking about now is something that's called fair use right and so what can you use of what somebody else has created like that that falls into this Doctrine called fair use and there's four factors that you typically look at for fair use uh to determine whether or not there's a pot

ential of there being like copyright infringement and one of them is like the purpose uh character of the use and other ones like the nature of the use then it's like the amount that you're copying and then finally the last factor is what's the actual effect on the actual copyright owner themselves like you look at these factors and then you measure them to see whether This falls into fair use now if something falls into fair use then you can use what other people have of course right but but fa

ir use is predominantly for educational purposes you know like news um it's not where you're making money like if if I'm doing a challenge which I'm doing um I'm doing the protect your idea Challenge in a few weeks right yep if I'm doing that and what I do is I take major content from other people and I use it in an ad to get people's attention and then I say Okay click here like that's copyright infringement you can't do that yeah you know now you can take a line of what somebody says right lik

e Grand card own saw some of the stuff that I do I do and he made a really cool comment and I've got it as a quote you know and other people have um as well but so I take that quote I can do that because I'm I'm talking about you know here's a quote from such and such this was a subject matter this is their name they said it on this date that's fine that's that's not an issue but once I start like grabbing entire portions of somebody else's content and throwing it into mine now you can run into

potential lawsuit issues and so you have to see if it falls into what's called fair use everybody should just remember the term fair use yeah this on YouTube if you're like mean if you're a Creator I'm sure you see all these YouTube channels and they are monetizing by the way and I think there's sometimes a gray Zone in in in the way some people are using this but you know some people they have you know the 10 loss of this or the 10 loss to success from Robert Green or things like that and they'

re basically clipping other people's in depth podcast and taking different clips from them and then they might have their own 1hour video but based on a lot of different clips there's a lot of work that goes into creating something like that that is awesome it's not you know just using an AI tool that puts this together it doesn't work you have to do have a great editor and things like that but in this case I guess you are owning your work if you take if you are adhering to the fair use policy b

ut still you could I guess depending on the policy on YouTube you could probably still monetize this with AdSense and things like that at least that's so here's the thing with fair use you got to be really careful guys because it here's the issue is that with fair use you're already committing basically you're committing copyright infringement you're' trying to find a way out that's really what what the issue is you are copying something that's a fact now you're trying to find out whether the wa

y that you're using it is fair and you're not going to be legally liable for copying that content and so let's say somebody like uh Pedro or or or grand Cardone or like Tony Robbins or like you know or even you you've got this this this quote that you've or that's even better these are the five these are the five main main pillars of blah blah blah blah blah and you grab that you throw it into your training and you start you start teaching you created an entire teaching about the Five Pillars yo

u can run into some problems like you know you're that's their work now they don't own the idea just to be clear they don't own the idea because you can't own an idea you can only own the the fixed form of the idea so if you take their their text that could be copyright infringement if you take their images that illustrate the steps that could be copyright infringement um if they file a patent on a method of doing something and you use that method you could be sued for that but the general idea

of there being something and you're making reference to that thing that in of itself you might not get in trouble for so you need to make sure you're talking to somebody who understands this where you can look at exactly what you're doing talk to them and say okay this is what I'm doing is this an issue like do you think this is an issue is this a problem what should I be thinking about right but in general ideas are not protectable that's why I literally intentionally called The Challenge I I d

o I called The Protector idea challenge cuz you can't protect it idea most people don't actually know that so like maybe maybe like 2% of the people that are in the public go oh I get it I get it it's actually a joke the name of the the challenge is actually a joke it's like you actually can't protect your ideas so it's it's kind of funny one one question is if you should disclose similar to when you're promoting let's say an affiliate offer maybe I'm promoting something of yours so say I'm affi

liate because I really like what Peter is doing all right but what about when you're using AI let's say for a Blog piece or like a video whatever you're doing should you mention then that artificial intelligence has been played a role in creating this piece of content I mean I don't know what you've seen I don't think a lot of people are doing this yet to be honest I I can tell you that I mean that that's actually a really good question so I can tell you that stating in a court of law that artif

icial intelligence created what you're being sued for will not get you out of a lawsuit that they don't Court doesn't care Court does not care however yeah I meant more in terms of like for your audience but I I I so so because we were talking before how can someone actually know that like if I have a really great blog post on my site that has images and maybe yeah maybe I use content as scale for most of it but then I added my story so it's like exactly the steps I would personal use for descri

bing this thing maybe how to start an online business or how to do this and that I I would actually use these steps and I've added my personal story into this I mean it's actually my steps but maybe according to like what you have described it mostly came from the AI software and I just added to this maybe not enough for this to actually be 100% you know something I created from scratch right but so should I then add a disclaimer that this was I created or or should I just don't care because no

one I I don't think people would actually know that this is AI created if it was actually that was a human yeah that that's what that's actually what my point was and that's why I was saying however that this is that's my point what you just said most first of all what you have to figure out is why are you notifying the public that's is created by artificial intelligence if you're folling as an example if you're filing a copyright with the federal you know with the copyright office you're under

obligation of telling them if it's AI or not because you like that's a Federal Regulation so you can't fake it you can't say oh no I created all get a copyright committing fraud on the copyright office you can't do that but for the general public why do you need to tell them I mean what what exactly you trying to benefit what's what's the gain now if you're in an AI audience and you want to show people hey check it out I created this using Ai and that has certain clout to it fantastic you're not

going to remove liability so it's not for that purpose so then the question is why are you actually mentioning that you're using AI at all like as an example some discussions around this that's why I asked it I I don't to do it because I I all the content I do is basically I'm doing stuff like this and then I'm taking my own thoughts and ideas so when I'm putting something on my blog it doesn't read like an AI or something like that I might have used artificial intelligence to do it faster like

yourself and others that are smart and want to get ahead quicker I mean that's just what we should do we should embrace new technology but we should do it the right way and we need to obviously be aware of the legal implications otherwise it can get screwed pretty quickly I mean think of it this way when somebody actually has um you do this with your cell phone right you you dictate something it automatically creates a text and it sends a text over to to others right it has a disclaimer on the

bottom that says this was automatically created by transcription software right so it's the same thing it's like this was created using artificial intelligence like you're telling people now legally it has no bearing it doesn't really do anything however it does condition the audience so that if they see certain things that don't gel or if they see certain things that you know that's not the language Peter would usually use um but I'm telling them hey this is created by artificial intelligence l

ike we just had a meeting I and none of it was confidential I automatically had it had to create a summary and spit it out to you and it says it in the email it says this was created by otter AI as a summary of our last meeting hopefully this was help period now people will see that oh you're using artificial intelligence okay cool that's fine as long as it's not an issue like if you're covering confidential stuff that's a major issue so I think another thing that is even very interesting I mean

that's been around before people what is the distinction with like when you model someone else like you see some I really like what Peter is doing right I really like his content H I like his LinkedIn post or whatever he produces content I like his videos like how do he can you actually copy a style and then it's not not getting into trouble maybe you put that into maybe you have a style that you use or someone else that you like and you put that into Ai and try to break it down is that somethi

ng that you can get in trouble for or I mean if it's your content but you're using a similar format or style like someone else yeah Styles in themselves are not an issue but the issue is where is the content being gained from so if somebody is getting my voice that voice came from some where somebody gets my image that image came from somewhere that's copyright infringement all that stuff is copyright infringement now my style as an example you can create something in mid Journey using the style

of Picasso right that's allowable right that's not an issue there's a St ethical implications though I mean I have when we have I've had some people talking about mid journey and and tools like that before I typically don't like to use like very famous artists when I'm doing anything in mid Journey why should I I mean I don't need to do it for my blog I want to keep it in my brand and my style usually I do more photo realistic stuff but you can do these like robot style AI images as well looks

really cool or more futuristic I I don't need honestly yeah for for your audience what I would say is if you're trying to create your own brand get your own recognition get people to start following you so that they can gain the authenticity of what you have created then why are you copying somebody else's stuff yeah create your own like come out with now I understand that there there's an advantage to obtaining social presence in a faster Manner and so you're trying to follow something that's d

one by other people I get that but if you're using the same words as another person you're going to become known because you're like the other person you're not your own person yeah right so why not build look every single person is here's the way I put it when I Mentor people people are wonderfully and fearfully created like every single person it has certain creativity certain things that other people do not have why in the world would you want to deprive the world of that thing let other peop

le see who you truly are you can use these tools for them to learn who you truly are in different ways but you don't need to mimic everybody else use their you can learn from them learn from some of the best people in the industry absolutely but let the people hear your voice your voice is important your message is important what you're creating is important you are important so why deprive the world of that importance by just copying somebody else it's just not the way I completely agree and I

think it's really interesting that you I mean what what I think if you are a newer Creator and you don't have maybe too much out there you can for sure look at some you know creators a few steps ahead of you or even some top creators see kind of what what post they are putting out on LinkedIn in or Instagram and you can take that into chat gbt and break this down or even newsletter formats I've done it for but don't copy their content I think that's what we're talking about you can plug in your

own cont in in a certain format because a lot of people are doing this I'm sure you see like what's working on LinkedIn you have a hook and then you have you know basically storyline and you have maybe one main ID in there and basically you can break it down you can take maybe just in Welsh post or someone you like and break that down in chat gbt does a great job and then you put it your own content and you have something unique that you have created actually it's just based on a format that is

a proven format I think here's something that that everybody has to understand though and and people don't understand this you have to realize that the second that you grab somebody else's content and uploaded into anything that's copyright infringement period interesting so can even for LinkedIn and because that's cment that is because then basically everyone is doing this mistake how how can they know this then I think that's a really interesting thing that no one is talking about really I mea

n that's why I'm here this is glad you mentioned this before we wrap up this because I think me we are taking content from LinkedIn or Facebook and people do this all the time uploading into chat gbt or any AI tool what so what would you recommend or what can happen if you do things like that I mean yeah so if you are I mean I represent multiple parties that have like basically they're suing other people for doing exact that right now they're they're large more well-known individuals and what th

ey are doing is building they're building plans for enforcing their copyrights against multiple parties because what's happening is other people are grabbing their online courses their video chats their Vlogs and they're creating databases off of that or they're like learning off of their content the second that you take their content you upload it into anything that's copyright infringement immediately that it's called copy right so it's a right to copy second you make a copy boom you can be su

ed so if you're trying to learn from others and you need to take the time to learn like like look at the videos see what their style is learn things like that and then create based on that but what you can't do is oh I see a really cool video from such and such I'm going to upload that into this program and have it analyze it second you uploaded that that's a copy you can be sueded for that just for that alone so so interesting I mean if I mean of course there are different grades of this but li

ke if you take someone's online course that's like paid content definitely don't do this but like on I mean on in the public a lot of people are doing this I think they haven't even realized before AI a lot of people were like sharing stuff and things like that from someone else but I guess now with these databases as they're learning you know basically anything you put out there it's train you training the model so that's I mean it makes sense what you're saying I just think a lot of the AI inf

luencers so to speak there they haven't they haven't talked about this at all so what you want to look at is look at the platform if you look at the platform and the terms and conditions on the platform certain certain certain platforms have made it so that whatever you upload now becomes publicly available so that party cannot bring any legal rights against you yeah but what you do is you now use those platforms so then anything that's on that platform is basically free game and so what what yo

u need to do is is due to due diligence to figure out what are the platforms that are out there that you where you can go in and grab what you need to learn or to manipulate data or manipulate images or whatever like you just need to do homework for that but what you're seeing right now is is a large number of copyright owners trademark owners enforcing their rights against corporations and individuals because they're tired of it they're tired of these programs where people are just grabbing the

ir stuff and they're not getting paid like to create one challenge can take you a month and a half to come out with the perfect challenge yeah right it get that's a lot of work that's a lot of hours of work so somebody else can just come in take one of the video days upload it into like an AI program grab some of the data and do their own thing with it no you can't do that that's that's taking away from all the hard work that's been done you just spent a lot of time creating this video yeah so c

an somebody just come here upload it figure out your interview style and then create their own course based on it that's not fair to you what's interesting is that there are plugins like V script you can like take this into chat gbt and you can get the full you know analyze it you can get the takeaways you can do a lot of things with this but yeah if you if you then I mean that's if it's my content that's kind of what we talked about now I mean a lot of people are doing this for other videos and

to get look at Tik Tok look at TI Tok Tik Tok is based on copyright infringement I mean the somebody else's video is playing right you can you can take the audio from theirs copy their audio make it an audio file and create your own video from that right but if you look at the terms and conditions for a lot of these programs the advantages of being able to use their program is that you're surrendering certain legal rights and so you need to figure that out beforehand what are the platforms that

allow you to grab any content that you want and if you can figure those things out then you can do whatever you want but those tools that you're talking about are to make it so that you can get better and better at what you do you just interviewed like an attorney of 25 years on blah blah blah yeah you upload that thing and now you can see this is the style this is what's done this is where there were long pauses this is where there was like intonation increased it decreased like you can see al

l that which benefits you yeah no it's really interesting I think for a lot of people watching this has been pretty gamechanging what you have shared so far we're going to work towards wrapping this up but any tools that you like we have talked a lot about tools here but like anything that you say okay this is what you can use more safely or anything that you recommend people get started we've talked about chat TBT of course but anything that you would like to direct people to when it comes to t

he tools and platform yeah there's number of there are a number of programs that are out there right now that are adding filters into your system so as to decrease the chances of the public gaining access to your confidential information from your clients or anything like that as an example let's say you have a a business and you're kind of concerned that some of your marketing people might be using AI software using client information or other things that might be proprietary there you can ask

a privacy layer to things like chat GPT and other programs out there there are um there are certain programs that are out there that provide a filter uh and So you you're probably going to want to check in just just look for filters on this and you should be able to find a few I have found a few of them like one of them is like private AI the top two or three that you use private AI is one of the ones that's pretty good it adds a lay of what it does is anything that you're going to upload into a

ny of these anything that you're putting using um anywhere anywhere where you're going to put a prompt it analyzes the prompt to see if there's any information in there that should not be made available to the public and if it sees it it's going to flag it for you so when you implement something like that within your company um that's that's highly beneficial because you don't run the risk of being sued by your own clients essentially by making certain information of your clients available to th

e public so that's that's one program that's actually pretty good that's out there the other one like we already mentioned Chad GPT Enterprise I think it's pretty good I think it personally this is just my own opinion I think it needs some work I think it's you know it needs to become more like more there needs to be a way for it to learn but not allow what it's learning from to become publicly available like there there should be shouldn't be like free version everything that's entered becomes

public um paid version Enterprise nothing becomes public there's got to be something in between yeah you know that that's what I'm waiting for when it when that comes out that's going to be the sweet spot and that's where everybody's going to buy everybody's going to want that because now you got an entertaining an entertaining program that you can utilize you can grow with it can learn from you that I don't see that yet like it's right now the neural networks are just learning from everything a

nd just making it publicly available which is it's problematic and so what do you think just just as a kind of the final thing what what do you think about the future of AI I need to ask as you're a lawyer I'm sure you see a lot of things you're I feel that you're ahead of the curve because you've been in the space for so long and even before this became really popular for Content creators and in this world I mean you have been dealing with this for a long time so what do you see like in the nea

r near future and maybe in the more long-term future as well yeah I think the more immediate future I think within the next five months what you're going to see is a copyright office make a statement with regard to prompts I think one of the biggest issues that's going to happen is prompt Engineers good prompt Engineers people not know how to create prompts that are at the level where the result of the prompt is going to result in something that you can own under copyright law when that shift ha

ppens I believe the copyright office is going to come out and make a statement and make some modifications so that if prompts are at this level of creativity that results in whatever is created by the prompt being something that's copyrightable those prompt Engineers are going to be rich like they're going to make massive amounts of money because what will happen is those people will be swept up by all the big corporations the people that are dealing with Virtual Worlds where you know you have l

ike full immersion virtual 3D you know full immersion systems and so imagine having prompt Engineers that can create entire worlds and every every world that's being created every new character every new experience you actually own see right right now with AI what you creating you can't you don't own it but imagine that now you can use artificial intelligence have the brains of like a remarkable prompt engineer who creates something so that the result of everything that they create is owned by t

he company that actually is employing the prompt engineer that's where I think this is going I think what you're going to have is a war of major corporations trying to sweep up the best prompt engineers in the world that are creating prompts that are resulting in copyrightable works because then those companies are going to own everything that's created and now you're going to have a war a virtual War it's just going to be you know there are people that are paying a lot of money for real estate

in Virtual Worlds right now I mean it's it's just obscene like Nike has not only real Sneakers but they have virtual sneakers you know there's like clothing lines in the virtual world that you can buy like using real money and using virtual money well that it's a really big industry and it's getting bigger so I think what what's going to happen is within the next five months I believe the copyright office is going to come out and make a statement or a change regarding Ai and what is what you can

actually own based on what's created and I think that statement is going to lead to a major rush for more prompt Engineers to come out and then the people that are the best in that areas they're going to be millionaires they're just going to make tons of money and so that's what I think in the immediate future I think there's going to be a lot of Regulation that's added honestly because I think that this is I think this hit the government as a surprise when you know all of a sudden oh my gosh y

ou mean you mean all these records have are now within other people's data bases and scraped and there's copyright infringement and trademark infringement and now we're trying to resolve this issue I think you're going to see some regulations come out you're going to see new laws come out with regard to what is this TR is this fair use like the scraping of the data was that fair use I don't think it's fair use at all in any way shape or form you know but then you have something like the Google s

earch engine right well that spider that's being utilized to index all these different websites is is actually Gathering data but it's not doing it the same way that someone like open aai is doing to create a database so I think you're going to see Federal Regulation in this area on you know what's going to happen like with these companies that have these databases that are scraped you're going to see some case law come out probably within the next two years I would think because I I would think

it's going to be expedited because so many people are um affected by this this is this is really big and then when that court case comes out that says either yes all the all the copyrightable works that's Within These databases you are legally responsible Corporation to compensate all these people for copyright infringement or you need to shut down your database and start over that's going to affect the entire AI industry it's that would be that would be insane if that happens but let's see we'

ll see I I think you know people are comparing this to the music industry and Napster the Napster deal and all and it's not the same like you know in in the music industry you've got like BMI ASCAP you've got these different companies that provide licensing deals over to others right that doesn't necessarily exist for artists for authors for you know there are certain groups that exist but they don't all exist Under One Roof you know so you've got so many different things that are protectable on

the copyrightable on the copyright like from books to images to photographs to music to videos to blogs to I mean there's so many things and all these authors all these creators do not belong to one or two corporations that can somehow funnel money to people who are creating works it doesn't exist yeah so I don't see an abster deal in here I I don't see an easier way out I think I think one thing that might happen is there could be a mandate for a creation of an entity for everybody to then loo

k this is a stretch but a creation of an entity for everyone to belong to and then if there are legal issues the complaints go to that legal entity and the copyright you know the funds are distributed accordingly but but if if somebody's copying your stuff you may not want to receive money you may want them to just stop I mean part of your legal right naid as a a person who is creating an educational like educational content is you can say hey look I don't want your $110,000 I don't want your $5

,000 I want you to stop I want to be the only one who uses my content and so there really is no solution for that yet so it's this is a very interesting time if you're on top of this like I'm talking to a lot of lawyers speaking at different state bars and educating people in this area because not a lot of people are familiar in this area but it's a very interesting time so we're all going to see a lot of things unravel very fast and like I said we called this like 10 11 months ago we said there

's going to be a Minefield so you got to figure out how to get through it thanks so much Peter for coming on here we are going to link up that ebook so you can get some more information I think this was way well over $1,000 in value I mean if you just Implement some of what Peter shared here you're going to get a lot of value I mean maybe you want to leave people with some tips we cover a lot here like if you just some takeaways or something that they can Implement right away after this session

uh to get started even if they don't have their own attorney or whatever just get started obviously download that ebook I link that up below but anything else you would like to add to this Peter yeah I guess there's two things I would add one is I would get familiar with the copyright website it's copyright.gov just copyright.gov go on their site you can see how simple it is for registrations um I do a separate training on this like I said called The Protector idea challenge people can look that

up uh but then separate I would look at uspto.gov so United States pad and trademark office uspto.gov if you click on the trademark button then you can click on search and you can actually do some of the searches yourself at a top level now this isn't stuff you should be relying upon for your entire Corporation right like this is just top level quick searches that you can be doing to see if the name that you're going to use for your product the name you're going to use for your business or your

service actually belongs to another party right that's a very top level explanation of things you can do if you want to learn more like I said n can give you more information on some of the programs that we put together I would not stop using the programs I would just learn how to use them responsibly and if you do that well well you should be highly successful because I can tell you that I've been able to run an educational institution with one individual like because of AI that I mean it shou

ld take four or five people and I'm able to do that with one individual all right and so we're going to bring in another individual but the whole point is that you can be saving a lot of money if you know how to use these things you can make things a lot more efficient if you know how to use these things yeah you basically amplify yourself and you amplify your team as well they can do get more done so it's not just I mean you can do you can do it yourself in your business but then you can hire a

person then they can also get more done if you're training them on AI and that's why also enjoy bringing Someone Like You on Peter because you're not only a lawyer you're actually a practitioner of AI you're using it to build your education platform and you're a lawyer so you see both sides of it and I think that's why this is really valuable I think to bring you on here so I appreciate your time I think this was really really valuable for anyone and leave your biggest takeaways in the comments

be sure to subscribe to the channel if you like content like this maybe I'll bring Peter on at some point in the future you know when we have even more developments in the AI world and and really appreciate you coming on here Peter thanks so much all right you're so welcome to my pleasure talk to you soon ciao