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Acer Helios Neo 16 (2023) Review - Still one of the Best?

Try Pulseway FREE today, and make IT monitoring simple: https://www.pulseway.com/land/jarrods-tech Check Acer Helios Neo 16 Prices: https://geni.us/MDAI6E šŸ’²Find the best gaming laptop deals at my site https://gaminglaptop.deals Chat with me and the community in Discord and get behind the scenes videos! https://patreon.com/jarrodstech Acerā€™s Helios 300 was one of the best gaming laptops last year, but theyā€™ve already redesigned it wth the newer Helios Neo 16 and made it worse in some ways.. Other items featured: Tools I use for opening laptops: https://geni.us/eT3n Cooling Pad I test with: https://geni.us/d9768J5 Screen Calibration - X-Rite i1 Display Pro: https://geni.us/uhlitT RGB HDMI cables: https://amzn.to/312yrwO EVERYTHING I USE: šŸ’» My Current Laptop: https://geni.us/JarrodsLaptop šŸ–„ļø My Current Desktop PC: https://geni.us/JarrodsPC šŸŽ„ My Camera Gear - https://geni.us/JarrodsStudio šŸ’ My Smart Ring - https://geni.us/oFfTMJ FOLLOW ME: šŸ¦ Twitter - https://twitter.com/jarrodstech šŸŒ My Website - https://jarrods.tech šŸ“ŗ 2nd Channel - https://youtube.com/jarrodslaptops Acer Predator Helios Neo 16 (2023) Review Timestamps: 0:00 New Helios Worse Than Last Year? 0:13 Design & Build Quality 0:52 Size & Weight & Power Brick Problem 1:22 Laptop Specs 1:38 Difference Between Helios Neo 16 & Helios 16 1:57 Camera & Microphone Test 2:11 Keyboard, RGB Lighting & Touchpad 3:02 Ports 4:21 Getting Inside & Internals 4:59 SSD & SD Card Speed 5:31 Wi-Fi Speed 5:40 Upgrade Options 5:54 Speakers & Latencymon 6:25 Battery Life 7:01 Video Sponsor - Pulseway 7:42 Cooling Design & Thermal Modes 9:05 Temperatures / Clock Speed / TDP 10:17 Game Performance in Different Modes 10:35 Cinebench CPU Performance (On & Off Battery) 11:36 Keyboard Temperatures 12:04 Fan Noise 12:43 New Screen 12:53 Screen Color Gamut, Brightness & Contrast 13:09 Screen Response Time & Latency 14:03 MUX Switch & Advanced Optimus 14:25 3 Game Comparison (1080p & 1440p) 16:13 3DMark & Content Creation 17:13 BIOS - Lots of Customization! 17:25 Linux Support 17:48 Pricing, Availability & Laptop Deals 18:39 Helios Neo 16 (2023) vs Helios 300 (2022) 19:18 The Main Problem with the Helios Neo 16 19:35 RTX 40 Worth it for Frame Generation? 20:05 DLSS, Frame Generation & RT Performance Disclosure: Purchases made through store links above may provide some compensation to Jarrod'sTech.

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Acerā€™s Helios 300 was one of the bestĀ  gaming laptops available last year, but theyā€™ve already redesigned itĀ  as the Helios Neo 16 and made it worse in some ways.. So letā€™s find outĀ  the good and the bad in this review! Itā€™s got a dark metal finish on bothĀ  the lid and interior, and this year theyā€™ve toned down the gamer aesthetics byĀ  removing the RGB light bar on the front, and making the logo on the lid moreĀ  subtle, it no longer glows blue. The finish is a big fingerprint magnet, butĀ  itā€™s e
asy to clean with a microfiber cloth. Overall build quality feels good, thereā€™s a bitĀ  less keyboard flex compared to last yearā€™s model. Thereā€™s a groove along the frontĀ  which makes one finger opening easy, and the screen goes back about 155Ā  degrees, so more adjustment than last yearā€™s 140. The hinges felt solid,Ā  even when ripping the lid open fast. The Neo 16 is larger in everyĀ  dimension compared to last year, partly due to its new bigger 16 inch screen. The laptop alone weighs about 5.7lb
or underĀ  2.6kg, increasing to 8.4lb or 3.8kg with the chunky 330 watt charger included. Iā€™m reallyĀ  not sure why Acer didnā€™t use a smaller more portable power brick considering theĀ  Neo 16 maxes out at RTX 4070 graphics. My Helios has Intelā€™s Core i7-13700HX processor, Nvidia RTX 4060 graphics, 16 gigs ofĀ  memory and a 16 inch 165Hz screen, but you can check other configurationsĀ  and current prices with the link below. The main difference between the HeliosĀ  Neo 16 which weā€™re reviewing here, a
nd the regular Helios 16 - so without theĀ  Neo in the name, is that the Neo version is meant to be a cheaper option. The NeoĀ  is a little bigger in all dimensions, itā€™s a little heavier, and itsĀ  max specs donā€™t go quite as high. Thereā€™s a 720p camera above the screen, andĀ  there is no IR for Windows hello face unlock. Hereā€™s how the camera and microphones lookĀ  and sound, and as you can see the visual quality isnā€™t very good, and this is whatĀ  it sounds like while typing on the keyboard. The ke
yboard has 4 zones of RGB backlighting, and all keys and secondary functions get litĀ  up. Key brightness can be changed between 4 levels or turned off with the F11 and F12Ā  shortcut keys. Colors and effects can be customized through Acerā€™s Predator SenseĀ  software under the Pulsar Lighting tab. The keyboard is the same as last yearā€™sĀ  model as far as I can tell. The keys have a clicky feel and I liked typing on it, butĀ  the shorter right shift might annoy some. The power button is part of the ke
yboard, butĀ  an accidental press doesnā€™t do anything. You have to hold it for a while, and then Acerā€™sĀ  software asks what you want to happen next. The touchpad is a little bigger thanĀ  last yearā€™s model, and it feels great, nice and smooth with accurate clicks. The left has a gigabit ethernet port, USBĀ  3.2 Gen 1 Type-A port, MicroSD card slot, and a 3.5mm audio combo jack, while theĀ  right has two more USB Type-A ports, faster 3.2 Gen 2 this time, and aĀ  Kensington lock slot at the back. The r
est is on the back, from leftĀ  to right weā€™ve got the power input, HDMI 2.1 output, and two ThunderboltĀ  4 Type-C ports with USB 3.2 Gen 2. Instead of having useful port icons on the back,Ā  Acer have instead chosen to spell out ā€œpredatorā€ in morse code. I had to constantly turn theĀ  laptop and look behind it to plug stuff in, which was disappointing as thereā€™s clearlyĀ  space to make the experience better, but instead they chose form over function. Compared to last yearā€™s Helios 300, the new Neo
16Ā  has an extra Type-C port and a MicroSD card slot, but its missing the Mini DisplayPort, thoughĀ  Iā€™m not sure how popular that is anyway. Both Type-C ports on the backĀ  can be used to charge the laptop, and both of those as well as HDMI port allĀ  connect directly to the Nvidia graphics, bypassing optimus, and that happens theĀ  integrated graphics are enabled or disabled. We confirmed the HDMI port could run ourĀ  4K LG B9 TV at 120Hz 12-Bit with G-Sync. Getting inside requires removing 11 Phil
lipsĀ  head screws, all the same length. It was easy enough to open with some pry tools, Iā€™llĀ  leave a link to the ones I use below. For some reason the battery isnā€™t screwed in likeĀ  other laptops. Itā€™s not missing screws, there just arenā€™t screw holes for it, so it just sits there.Ā  I suppose this is fine as the bottom panel keeps it in position, but you need to be aware of it ifĀ  you open it while holding it sideways like I did. Once inside weā€™ve got the loose batteryĀ  down the front, two memo
ry slots just above, installed SSD on the left next to the Wi-FiĀ  6 card, and a spare M.2 slot on the right. The 512 gig PCIe Gen 4 SSD had great read speeds,Ā  but for some reason the writes were much lower. A good Gen 3 drive can almost get 3 times higher inĀ  sequential writes. The MicroSD card was similar, good for the reads and lower on the writes, whichĀ  is probably fine as I imagine most people using it are dumping photos and video off the card onto theĀ  laptop rather than the other way. Th
e card clicks in and sits the whole way into the machine, soĀ  youā€™ll need some fingernails to get it in and out. Wi-Fi speed was fine, but a lower resultĀ  compared to other laptops with Killer Wi-Fi, and not as good comparedĀ  to last yearā€™s Helios 300. The upgradeability score is good, weĀ  can change both memory slots, Wi-Fi, and both M.2 storage slots, whichĀ  can both fit double sided drives no problem - something one of the slotsĀ  in last yearā€™s model could not fit. The speakers are found down
the frontĀ  on the left and right sides. They sound pretty average for a gaming laptop, aĀ  bit tinny with minimal bass, not great, I thought last yearā€™s Helios sounded a bit better. The Latencymon results were bad, but there is aĀ  known Nvidia driver issue that can increase this. Speaking of sounds, by default itā€™sĀ  got this crazy obnoxious boot up sound. Fortunately you can disableĀ  it through software or BIOS. The Helios is powered by a 4-Cell 90Wh battery, but there arenā€™t any software featur
esĀ  to automatically lower the screenā€™s refresh rate or disable the overdriveĀ  mode when you unplug the charger. It lasted for 4 hours and 41 minutes inĀ  my normal YouTube video playback test, but it wouldnā€™t surprise me if we could crack 5Ā  hours by manually swapping the screen to 60Hz. I had to cancel the game test despite the batteryĀ  still having 31% charge remaining, because the frame rate dipped down to 5 FPS and was unusable.Ā  Last yearā€™s Helios was better in both regards. The Helios also
has this messageĀ  from our sponsor, Pulseway! If managing your IT infrastructure feels likeĀ  a maze, allow Pulseway to be your compass. Pulseway's patch management allows you to keepĀ  your server and desktop operating systems up to date and safe from security threats. PulsewayĀ  can even update a wide range of third party apps! To top it all off, you can even schedule anĀ  automatic reboot, if needed, to complete the update process. As someone who had to wakeĀ  up at 3am to run kernel updates in m
y past system administrator life, let me tell you,Ā  I'd much rather let Pulseway take care of it! Make your life easier and startĀ  your free trial with the link below. Back to the laptop. Letā€™s check outĀ  thermals next. Itā€™s got two fans, one is metal, and a couple of heatpipes sharedĀ  between the CPU and GPU along with liquid metal, but Acer doesnā€™t specify if that's on theĀ  CPU, GPU, or both. The bottom panel has plenty of air intake holes directly over the fans, andĀ  air gets exhausted out of
both the left and right sides, as well as out of the corners on the back.Ā  There are also some vents above the keyboard. Acerā€™s Predator Sense software allows us to changeĀ  between different performance modes, which from lowest to highest are quiet, balanced, performanceĀ  and turbo. Turbo mode applies this overclock to the GPU by default with no option of tuning it.Ā  The next fan control tab lets us max out the fans, or set a custom speed as a percentage for eachĀ  of the two fans. Fan control i
s not available in quiet mode because it enables Nvidia whisperĀ  mode, and turbo mode needs the charger connected. Thereā€™s also this button above the keyboard,Ā  you can change what it does in software to either have it enable or disable turbo mode,Ā  or cycle through all four performance modes. The color of the button also changes basedĀ  on the performance mode currently in use, so you can quickly identify what mode youā€™reĀ  in, and the keyboard flashes briefly at the same time to make it more obv
ious. I didnā€™tĀ  like that performance and turbo modes were purple and pink, I found it hard to tellĀ  which was which because it was so similar. The internal temperatures were cold whenĀ  just sitting there idle. The rest of the results are from combined CPU and GPUĀ  stress tests which aim to represent a worst case full load scenario. Turbo mode wasĀ  noticeably warmer compared to performance, but there was no thermal throttling soĀ  no problem. The cooling pad I test with, linked below the video, w
as able to lowerĀ  temps significantly, but if you instead want to close the lid and dock the laptop youĀ  donā€™t have to worry about it getting hotter. The clock speeds were pretty much theĀ  same too, so no issues docking the laptop. For some reason performance was actually aĀ  little lower with the cooling pad connected, which would also contributeĀ  to its much lower temperature. We can see here that the CPU was running atĀ  85 watts with the cooling pad connected. I'm not sure why this was the cas
e but I wasĀ  able to replicate it multiple times. Itā€™s not really that big of a deal, becauseĀ  85 watts on the CPU with the GPU maxed out is quite impressive anyway, andĀ  100 watts without the cooling pad is just crazy good. The Nvidia control panelĀ  says the RTX 4060 can run up to 140 watts, but I found it to run closer to 97 in theĀ  real world due to Nvidiaā€™s voltage limit. There wasnā€™t that much of a performance differenceĀ  between the top three performance modes in terms of FPS with an actua
l game though. MeanwhileĀ  silent mode was still hitting 60 FPS at this above 1440p resolution while runningĀ  around 39 decibels, relatively quiet. The CPU can use more power and hit thermalĀ  throttling when the GPU is idle, like in Cinebench. Thereā€™s no difference in single coreĀ  performance with the different modes, while higher modes mean better multicore performance thanksĀ  to more power, faster fans and better cooling. This is the first time weā€™ve everĀ  had an i7-13700HX, and it has the same
amount of P and E cores as aĀ  12th gen i9 HX chip from last gen, though some of those were able to do better. AĀ  lower tier i7-13700H in the MSI GP77 was able to perform about the same, slightly betterĀ  actually, despite having two fewer P cores, because that laptop design was able to feed theĀ  CPU more power to make up for its lack of cores. Performance lowers if we unplug the chargerĀ  and instead run purely off of battery power, and weā€™re limited to balanced mode withoutĀ  the charger. Perform
ance lowers significantly, itā€™s now one of the slower results out ofĀ  the same selection of laptops previously. Most laptops I test are in the low 30 degreesĀ  Celsius range on the keyboard at idle, but the Helios was quite a bit below this. Itā€™sĀ  still fairly cool with the stress tests running, the warm spot near the arrow keys was hardlyĀ  warm. The higher balanced mode wasnā€™t really much different, still cool on the areas youĀ  need to touch. Performance mode was very cool, I was quite impressed
when I tested this, andĀ  then the highest turbo mode was much the same, but it is very loud now, letā€™s have a listen. The fans were audible when just sittingĀ  there idle, and then get louder in the higher modes when under load, as expected.Ā  Turbo mode was only ever so slightly louder if we manually set the fans to max, so theyā€™reĀ  basically maxed out in this workload anyway, and the cooling pad did notĀ  help lower the fan speed. Like a lot of laptops this year, the HeliosĀ  moves to a bigger 16
inch screen with a 16:10 aspect ratio, so itā€™s got more pixels verticallyĀ  than before and little less of a bottom chin. Color gamut is fine for a gaming laptop,Ā  but nothing amazing for creators. It gets quite bright though, above 500 nits atĀ  100%, and it lowers at a steady rate, unlike Lenovo laptops which dipĀ  harshly at higher percentage levels. The Predator Sense software has LCD OverdriveĀ  enabled by default, which lowers response time. Weā€™re looking at 4 and a half millisecondsĀ  for ave
rage grey-to-grey response time with overdrive on, which is below theĀ  6.06ms needed for transitions to occur within the 165Hz refresh window, a goodĀ  result. Itā€™s slower with overdrive off, as expected, but this removesĀ  the overshoot and undershoot. Itā€™s a good result when compared againstĀ  other laptops, and more than 3ms faster compared to last yearā€™s Helios 300 - one of theĀ  few ways this yearā€™s model is actually better. The total system latency is the amount of timeĀ  between a mouse click
and when a gunshot fire appears on the screen in CS:GO. This timeĀ  it was more than 4ms faster compared to last yearā€™s model, not much, but the newer Neo 16Ā  may provide a subtle edge for competitive gamers. There is a MUX switch, but it can only beĀ  changed through the BIOS. You wonā€™t need to do that though, because itā€™s got advancedĀ  optimus too, so you can disable the integrated graphics through Nvidiaā€™s control panel, and itā€™sĀ  got G-Sync too, but only when optimus is off. Backlight bleed wa
s minor, I neverĀ  noticed it during normal use, but this will vary between laptops. Now letā€™s find out how well the HeliosĀ  Neo 16 with RTX 4060 actually performs in games! It costs 22% more money comparedĀ  to last yearā€™s Helios 300 with RTX 3070 Ti, so surely itā€™s going to do better, right? Well, no. Cyberpunk 2077 was tested the same onĀ  all laptops, and Iā€™ve got the Helios Neo 16 shown by the red highlight. At 1080p itā€™s right in lineĀ  with the other RTX 4060 laptops tested so far, though wit
h a better 1% low, which may beĀ  due to the higher CPU power limit. That said, last yearā€™s Helios 300 with a lower tier CPUĀ  was better in that regard. At the higher 1440p resolution itā€™s still near a number of cheaperĀ  RTX 3070 Ti options from last year, including Acerā€™s own Helios 300, which was actuallyĀ  performing better despite costing $280 less. Red Dead Redemption 2 was tested with theĀ  gameā€™s benchmark, and last yearā€™s cheaper Helios was ahead at 1080p too. All 3070Ā  Ti results shown wer
e for that matter, which wasnā€™t the case in the last game. ThisĀ  continues at the higher 1440p resolution, where last yearā€™s HeliosĀ  now has a larger 12% lead. Again in Control, thereā€™s not much differenceĀ  between all 4060 results tested so far at 1080p. The 4060 in the Helios is 14% faster comparedĀ  to a 3060 laptop, but cheaper 3070 Ti options are still ahead, and then itā€™s the same sort ofĀ  deal at 1440p. Last gen 30 series really isnā€™t too different to the new 4060/4070 options. Itā€™s onlyĀ 
when you spend more for a 4080 or 4090 laptop that you start seeing the big gen-on-gen improvements,Ā  which Iā€™m sure is exactly how Nvidia planned it. Here are the 3DMark results for those that findĀ  them useful, now for some content creator tests. Adobe Photoshop was tested withĀ  the Puget Systems benchmark tool, and itā€™s not too different to last yearā€™s Helios, though considering that has an older CPU IĀ  expected the newer Neo 16 to come out ahead. Iā€™ve got less results in DaVinci Resolve beca
useĀ  weā€™ve finally swapped over to a newer version. Anyway the Helios is the best 4060 result soĀ  far, and the 4070s werenā€™t much ahead. No Adobe Premiere for a while, as the benchmark tool hadĀ  a big update and we need to collect fresh data. The 4070 and 4060 laptops areĀ  even closer together in Blender, which is weird considering this is a GPU boundĀ  workload. At least with the older Blender 3.2, weā€™re going to swap to theĀ  newer 3.4 going forward, and in this one there was a bit more of a gap
Ā  between the 4060s and 4070s, but not much. Weā€™ve also tested SPECviewperf which testsĀ  out various professional 3D workloads. Acerā€™s BIOS looks cool, but thereĀ  isnā€™t a whole lot of customization available through here compared to otherĀ  brands like Lenovo, and especially MSI, who let you change almostĀ  anything you can imagine. Linux support was tested with an Ubuntu 23.04Ā  live CD. By default the keyboard, touchpad, speakers, ethernet and Wi-Fi all worked fine,Ā  but the camera was not recogn
ized. Keyboard shortcuts for adjusting screen brightness,Ā  volume, and keyboard brightness worked too, but the keys are all static blue, you canā€™tĀ  change the color or effect without software. Pricing and availability will change overĀ  time, so check the link below the video for updates and current sales. And if this laptopĀ  does go on sale, weā€™ll be sure to add it to our gaminglaptop.deals website. We update thatĀ  every day to include all of the latest sales, so check that out regularly to get
theĀ  best deal on your next gaming laptop! At the time of recording, the same configurationĀ  of Helios Neo 16 that weā€™ve tested here goes for $1580 USD, which seems a bit pricey forĀ  an RTX 4060 laptop compared to others. Especially last yearā€™s Acer Helios 300Ā  with 3070 Ti, as I mentioned earlier. This thing frequently goes on saleĀ  for $1300, so if you just care about getting game FPS for the dollar, itā€™sĀ  difficult to recommend the newer 4060. So the main differences between this yearā€™sĀ  Heli
os Neo 16 and last yearā€™s Helios 300 are that this one has a bigger 16 inch screen, andĀ  that newer screen also has a faster response time and it gets brighter. The color gamut isnā€™tĀ  quite as good compared to last yearā€™s version, but itā€™s still plenty for gaming. ContentĀ  creators might want to look elsewhere though. The Neo 16 can fit double sided M.2 drivesĀ  now, and itā€™s got a bigger and better touchpad, but last yearā€™s Helios 300 lasted longerĀ  on battery, had better sounding speakers, it h
ad per key RGB control onĀ  the keyboard instead of 4 zone, and of course, most importantly ofĀ  all, it had a light bar on the front. All things considered, Acerā€™s new HeliosĀ  Neo 16 is a pretty good gaming laptop, the main problem is that Nvidiaā€™s newĀ  mid-range RTX 40 series GPUs just make it difficult for them to compete against theirĀ  own models from last year with RTX 30 series. Is it worth spending 22% more money toĀ  get the 4060 instead of the 3070 Ti for frame generation? Maybe, maybe not
. You have toĀ  decide how much that feature is worth to you, and for the record I do think that frameĀ  generation is a nice feature in supported games. It just makes them feel smoother to play.Ā  But itā€™s not in a whole lot of titles just yet. Iā€™m sure that will change in the future andĀ  the 4060 price will probably get lower too, but for now, itā€™s just kind of hard toĀ  justify compared to the cheaper 3070 Ti model. You can see how the RTX 4060 laptop GPU performsĀ  in games with features like fra
me generation, DLSS and ray tracing in this video next.Ā  Iā€™ve tested it in 25 games at 1080p and 1440p resolutions to show you what sort of performanceĀ  is on offer. So Iā€™ll see you in that one next!

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