a beloved Taxi Driver Rio was a hardworking guy he always tried to do better and better and better is murdered in Cold Blood that's when they observed a body inside of the trunk there were nine gunshots that's not an accident we had no leads we had no suspects had no idea who could have done this to him police uncover a Sinister trail of motives a lot of people was jealous of Raphael Raphael tended to like the ladies a little bit Raphael had approximately $2,000 in his vehicle but struggle to fi
nd suspects people were asking do we have to be scared is there a murder out there killing us his panics we noticed on his license plate of his vehicle there appeared to be a blood stain until the bizarre truth turns the case on its head we're calling him through the loudspeaker trying to get him to come out of the house which turned into a hours long standoff when that fingerprint came back with a second person it really blew it wide open we knew he was at the scene that was a bombshell that wa
s a game Cher in terms of the criminal prosecution ultimately to come back to these two people was something that we never saw coming [Music] Rogers County Oklahoma a quiet rural district North of Tulsa City Limits Rogers County is just a great tight-knit Community it's a agricultural Community a very wholesome family oriented community that that all changes in the early hours of May 1st 2015 when a truck driver sees something unusual beneath a bridge our Dispatch Center received a call of a veh
icle partially submerged in the cany river off Highway 169 police and firefighters arrive at the scene in minutes and cordon off the area emergency crews check to see if anyone is trapped inside the news media was there and it was being broadcasted over live tv as the car is towed onto the riverbank its trunk pops open that's when they initially observed a body inside of the trunk at that point we knew we had a serious crime at hand Rogers County Sheriff's detectives arrive and begin their inves
tigation when I arrived on scene I observed a Hispanic male inside of the trunk Pockets look like they've been rummaged through only when detectives move the victim's shirt do they realize the violent nature of the attack he appeared to have several gunshot wounds to his chest area there were nine gunshots that's not an accident nine gunshots is intentional somebody wanted to make sure that he did not survive his injuries the first question facing detectives is who is the man in the trunk we did
not locate any type of identification or any wallet or anything that a normal person would have in his pockets so it made it very hard for us to identify who he was we were taking photographs of his tattoos and unique markings on his body inside of the vehicle we found some cell phones as the car was submerged we got lucky that one of the cell phones was placed on the dash and it was fully intact still operational the detectives and forensics team combed the riverbank for further Clues we notic
ed a large amount of blood and we suspected that that was the area that the victim was initially shot well near that pull of blood we also found some shell casings consistent with the size of bullet WS inside the deceased body a few feet away detectives notied more clues there was several beer cans and a cigarette butt and a piece of tissue I was told that a family member had showed up and seen his brother's car on the news and he said yes that's my brother's car the young man's brother is Rapha
el Hernandez Torres a taxi owner serving customers in Tulsa's Hispanic Community I showed him a photograph of a tattoo that I had taken from the victim's body that Oscar immediately identified the tattoo belonging to his brother and then began sobbing and crying because at that point we told him that his brother had been murdered it broke my heart when I seen the pictures it felt like the whole the whole world just kind of ended Oscar called me when I found out Rael got shot I didn't know how to
R act I was just shocked I was like how [Music] how Raphael Hernandez Torres was born outside Mexico City on October 22nd 1976 as a kid he was a rebel growing up he was always riding his bike from town to town he loved to go and get to know people from other places get to know other cities um he just loved to travel everywhere when Raphael was 20 years old his parents moved him and his siblings to the us as one of the oldest Sons Raphael helped support the family it was a difficult to move to a
different place that we didn't know and we had to start from zero Raphael was the big brother and as soon as we got here Raphael told us to get straight to school learn the language and just keep on going breio was a hardworking guy he always tried to do better and better and better as a Young Man Raphael's warm personality attracted others he was so friendly with everyone especially [Music] ladies Raphael was enterprising too turning his passion for travel into a career Rafel started his taxi
business with one car uh from there it kept on going and going Raphael was known in Tulsa's Hispanic Community as someone willing to help anyone in need Rafel care about everybody if he saw you down he'll try to help you if he saw you homeless he'll get you a room and get you a shower and help you out he knew people who didn't have anything to eat and he helped him out rapel had a great heart What would lead anyone to take Raphael's Life so violently on that Riverbank everybody knew him everybod
y liked him he did a service to his community always gave back to his community at this point we're thinking why would somebody kill him at the crime scene detectives ask Oscar and Juan what they know about Raphael's last hours before his body was discovered in the river Raphael called me and told me that he was going to Texas but the next next day he didn't call me which was strange cuz he was always calling me every time he went at of State Police ask if Oscar and Juan know why anyone might wa
nt to kill their brother we learned that Raphael was known to carry approximately $2,000 on him at all times whoever did this took his ID took his wallet took any money he may have had so that led to the the possible motive that Raphael had been killed for the money Oscar gives the detectives one more useful piece of information Oscar told us that some of Raphael's Vehicles had been vandalized where rafhael ran his business a lot of people was jealous of rafhael because he was really successful
in the business that he was doing had the Beloved Taxi Driver made a lethal enemy in his community we had no leads we had no suspects had no idea who could have done this to him this wasn't just a disagreement or or something it was a very violent act I had a lot of questions about Raphael why who why would they kill him what did he do this is not a random killing this is someone who targeted Raphael and wanted him to die coming up detectives uncover a tangled web of romantic interests not only
does he call her freak link go by and see her but I I know he bought her flowers she had an unusual relationship with her ex-husband they both still slept in the same bed so a scorned husband that could fit right in with that now we're starting to think this could be a motive and a surprising lead sends the case in a new direction we were shocked when we found a second individual's fingerprint at the [Music] scene after discovering Raphael hernand andz Torres shot dead and stuffed into the trunk
of his own taxi cab detectives are trying to establish if it was a robbery gone wrong or if he'd been targeted by someone with a grudge we were trying to see if we could locate who had vandalized Rafael's Vehicles see if there's anyone that had a motive or a reason uh to harm or murder Raphael detectives are also on the lookout for vehicles spotted near the bridge on the night of the murder we established a tip line and we got that number out to the news outlets we received multiple tips from p
asser by describing that they saw a truck on the side of the highway a black SUV on the side of the highway and then a silver car on the side of the highway so we initially started looking for vehicles that could match that description um in the hopes that we could run a name next investigators head to the heart of Tulsa's Latino District where Raphael based his business the area of 21st in Garnett and Tulsa is a predominantly Latino Community um right at the heart of that is Santa Sicilia Plaza
there's grocery stores there's hair salons ice cream parlors where the Hispanic Community gathers with her families the plaza cental cilia it's a place to go if you're a hispanic most of the time something's always happening rapael parked his Vehicles outside of the merido and also right next to the ice cream shop Raphael spent every day walking around talking to these people Raphael gave rides to people that needed them he helped translate and he's just well known in his community as a person
always giving back and helping very kind and loving person Rael always said that's what he loved to do he loved you know helping out people detectives canvas Raphael's friends at the Plaza they were shocked that he was murdered and killed and they were heartbroken was there anyone who had a reason to want him dead it was well known in that community that Raphael had money that he carried money with him we spoke with Roman who was considered a maintenance man around the area we spoke with felipia
who owned a grocery store as well as Adon who ran the ice cream cart Bon came into contact with Raphael multiple times times in a week um as he pushed pushed that card up and down those businesses we actually learned that people seem to really like Raphael no one really seemed to have a motive to want to harm [Music] him as detectives continue searching the plaza for leads they gain access to Raphael's cell phone records so initially we had the physical phone I drafted a search warrant to try t
o extract as much data as possible from that phone Raphael was talking to multiple people between 9:15 and 9:30 so we know that he's alive at that point there he wouldn't be answering his phone and then after that time period he doesn't answer any more phone calls It's always important when someone has been murdered to find out who they talked to last one of the numbers that we had identified on Rafael's phone belonged to a female named Ley lety worked at a laundry mat near where Raphael kept hi
s Vehicles we found out through Oscar that Raphael and Ley may have had some type of relationship Raphael would would frequent lety's place of business at the uh laundry mat and would go by to see her not only does he call her frequently go by and see her but I I know he he bought her flowers we took little little gifts up to her or he took her to Dallas one time for one of his spars they drove to Dallas and then drove right back there's one more thing about lety that gets the officer's attentio
n we also discover that lety was married as officers dig into to this new lead Raphael's autopsy results come in Raphael was shot three times in the front and six times in the back there's a mindset that behind somebody shooting somebody that many times it it tells you that that this is a crime of passion it's not just something that that just happened so a scorned husband that could fit right in with that now we're starting to think this this could be a motive had lety's husband killed Raphael
in a jealous rage detectives decide to get some answers from Ley so we went to interview Ley and ly was not very forthcoming we had talked to her about her relationship with Rafael you know what is that what is that relationship she told us that they were just friends lety did deny being in relationship with Rafael we learned after speaking with lety that she had not been truthful to us she did not provide a correct date of birth did not provide her correct address at the station detective searc
hed Le's name in the police database we later learned let's true address and her through dat of birth in doing so we discovered that Ley had an outstanding warrant so obviously we're on high alert with her because she's trying to deceive us knowing that we've been lied to we wanted to observe L's comings and goings so we'd start conducting surveillance on Le's home as detectives stake out Le's home their attention is drawn to a vehicle as we arrived we saw a vehicle pull in that was almost an ex
act match to one of the mention in the tip line he's driving a black truck with a silver stripe on the back of it and that was a possible vehicle we were looking [Music] for detectives investigating the shooting of Taxi Driver Raphael Hernandez Torres believe his friendship with laundromat worker Ley could have sent her husband into a jelly rage the first thing we decided to do when looking into lety and her husband was we went to see who her husband's talking to then a truck pulls up in Le's dr
iveway that matches a vehicle spotted near the scene of Raphael's murder so from there we decide that we're going to make contact with the individual in the truck officers confront the truck's owner who claims to be the friend of Le's husband Mario rilio was basically crashing on Mario and let's couch um and they were putting him up for several weeks while speaking with rilio we noticed on his license plate of his vehicle that there appear to be a blood stain and there's a bloody fingerprint on
the tag of the truck looking under the truck and there's a piece of tissue that is kind of consistent with tissue that we found at the scene is this the evidence detectives have been searching for they search the house and see what else they can find during the search of that home we did find a firearm inside the home we submitted that to the State Crime Lab we had a victim that had been killed put into the trunk of his vehicle and then that vehicle was subsequently pushed into the river it was
a very narrow window of time that all this happened in so in most the investigators mind it's very good possibility that that there's two people involved in this well we got what we believe could be the possible vehicle we have evidence that L's husband and this friend of his could be our suspects and we're thinking this is the big crack to the case that we've been looking for police bring Mario and reelio in for questioning they ask Mario about Raphael had the taxi driver's advances on Ley made
him a Target Mario was familiar with that Raphael um had bought his wife flowers and was known to stop by her place of business frequently but he did not seem to be very upset by that Mario insists that he was never jealous of Raphael because he and lety are divorced we had discovered that Ley had an unusual relationship with her ex-husband they both still lived in the same house they lived there with their children um they even slept in the same bed she was kind of out seeeing people he didn't
care Mario also insists that that he was at home asleep on the night of the murder rilio gives the same Alibi insisting that he never left the house that night their Alibis were not really solid we were worried about them being co-conspirators so at the time we weren't putting just a whole lot of stock into that officers press rilio about the blood on his license plate and we talked to him about the blood on it and he's got a good excuse for that he cut his finger trying to put the tag on and t
he Bloody fingerprint is his blood they were more than willing to provide their DNA and fingerprints to clear themselves despite officer suspicion of Mario and roilo the lab results tell a different story we have DNA from the scene and Ro Helio and Mario don't possess that DNA the firearm inside the home did not match bullets that we found in Raphael and based on their phone numbers they weren't at the scene and we we found zero evidence linking them to the crime and that whole Theory really sta
rted to fall apart quick we were going back to the drawing board and we were starting over again we weren't sure on where to go from here other than talking the community is very frustrating during this point with each passing day pressure to solve the case is only increasing people were asking do we have to be scared is there a murder out there killing us Hispanics my whole family was worried because they didn't want me doing the taxing business cuz they don't want me to be the same as my broth
er at a Crossroads in the investigation police find a new way forward when they gain access to further cell phone records from the night of the murder one of the last contacts that Raphael had was a fair that was supposed to be getting a ride to Texas later that night and Raphael never showed up but there's one another number that we know is also communicating with Raphael at at around the time of his death Raphael was scheduled to pick up an individual and told him that he was going to be late
because he had another job rafhael told him that he was going to help a friend who had gotten into an accident and he was going to go translate for him to the police we know that a phone conversation took place around 9:15 and we believe that around 9:35 that Raphael was murdered had Raphael been lured to his death by a call from someone he knew as we start diving into the call detail records on that phone number we're able to follow the Tower information and the location of that phone to the sc
ene of the crime we were able to to track Raphael's phone and the suspect phone both going to the same area however Raphael's phone didn't leave and the suspect phone went back to TS this was very important to us because we knew that this was the possible killer that enticed Raphael to where he ultimately was shot and killed that's when we make the decision to focus everything on that number when police try to identify the phone's owner there's a problem we get subscriber information for the pho
ne number and it comes back to un fictitious name the number was on prepaid phone it wasn't attached to any particular person that number was was very important to us especially after seeing the links that the individual went to to hide their identity we felt very strong that this number um was going to belong to the killer so investigators had to start looking at at other ways of identifying who this phone belonged to we started to get call detail records for that number and they started contac
ting people that were in contact with the cell phone we were able to pinpoint a phone number from someone that talked to the suspect phone several times close to the time of the killing the phone number belongs to a man named Marco laara but once we got the name for Marco laara we started running criminal history check and we find drug charges some Firearms charges stuff that we were interested in when you're looking for a violent killer we knew that Marco knew who possessed our bad guy's phone
number because he had been calling it Marco ran with some of the same people in that area that Raphael had contact with and so we really felt like Marco was going to be a good spot to uh gain some information we went to the area of the plaza Marco lived one street over and we staked out his house we saw a truck pull into his driveway and he gets out of the driver's seat and he walks into the house so we get out and we start covering exit to make sure that he isn't leaving but that's when things
went [Music] South two weeks after cab driver Raphael Hernandez Torres is found shot dead in the trunk of his car police are about to confront Marco Lara a man they believe may know the identity of the killer we went there to make contact with Marco he refused to come to the door we're calling him out through the loudspeaker trying to get him to come out of the house which turned into a standoff we established a phone connection there was a woman and children in the house his family and we're re
questing for him to come out and this goes on for a long time eventually his wife and children come out and we believe you know that it's just him in the home there was a several hour standoff with him in which he ultimately gave up and came outside and surrendered police take Marco into custody and begin their interrogation initially we were thinking this is a bad guy he's got criminal history he's actively resisting us coming and arresting him we're thinking okay this could very well be an ass
ociate of our of our killer if not possibly involved but cell tower phone records prove otherwise but once we got him arrested we were able to determine that his phone as well had not traveled to the area where Raphael was killed if Marco is not involved then why had he resisted arrest he has an outstanding warrant he's doing whatever he can to keep from going to jail no longer a direct suspect Marco still has information valuable to the investigation so we had seized his phone U we had his phon
e I typed in our suspect's number and he said that's him that number belonged to Roman madano who lived in Tulsa Marco provided us the apartment complex that Roman lived at so knowing that Roman madrano was the owner of that phone we sat at the apartment complex and we figured out what apartment he was in and the next morning we served a search warrant on that apartment when detective searched the apartment where Roman Madrono lives with his wife Blanc they're surprised by what they find as we e
ntered the residence I noticed there was no furniture it appeared that that Roman U maybe didn't have a lot of money maybe he was struggling um to pay his bills we find that there's very little in the way of of furniture and it looks like things are being sold off there's IRS paperwork scattered about searching through Blanca purse officers make a discovery that raises their suspicions further there was approximately $2,000 in her purse Raphael had approximately $2,000 you know in his vehicle an
d now our suspect's wife has this large sum of money in her purse that is pretty close to the amount we had the one suspect number that we had determined to belong to Roman Madrono at that point we felt we had enough to bring Roman and his wife in for questioning at the police station detectives first interview Roman's wife Blanca Blanca initially denied knowing who Raphael was Blanca told us that she was not given a ride by rhael that Roman has nothing to do with this then how to explain the $2
,000 in her purse Roman doesn't have any money he's worried about losing his roof over his head it's well known in the community that rafhael carries lots of cash with him so I don't think it was any Secret that by killing Raphael that Roman could get a Payday out of that Blanca basically told us that Roman was with her the night of the the homicide that he's always home in another interview room detectives question Roman Roman told us that he did not know Raphael that he didn't know that his wi
fe knew Raphael that he had never been to the area where the homicide occurred Roman denied every aspect of any knowledge of the case whatsoever Roman just heard of Raphael's taxi service and that he was you know doing work in the Hispanic Community but detectives have information that suggests a closer connection shortly after the first interview with Marco he reached out to us and gave us more information about Roman Marco told us that he had overheard Roman and another individual talking abou
t how Raphael had given Roman's wife Blanca a ride in this taxi cab to the Tulsa County Jail pressed further Roman admits to knowing more about Raphael than he first let on Raphael had a successful business and tended to like the ladies a little [Music] bit Roman did not like the fact that she was taking rides with Raphael he still wasn't willing to tell us that that he was you know at the scene of the crime confronted with Roman's admission that she'd taken rides with Raphael Blanca's Story beg
ins to change now she knows Raphael she's telling us that they had talked you know they knew of each other Blanca began to tell us that during one of her rides with Raphael that he came on to her and that she believed that it was inappropriate and told Roman about it we had learned that Raphael had made comments to Blanca as trying to hit on her and that this was very upsetting to Roman Blanca described Roman as a very jealous man had something happened between Raphael and Blanca that triggered
Roman to seek revenge based on how many times they were shot there was a personal element to this uh we believe that Raphael's conduct towards Roman's wife could have been a motive to kill him at this point in the investigation we definitely feel like we have our [Music] guy 17 days after Raphael Hernandez torres's murder police are investigating husband and wife Roman and Blanca Madrono there were two angles that that led us to Roman one was jealousy we knew that Roman was aware of um Raphael g
iving a ride to Blanca Roman believed that Raphael disrespected his wife by coming on to her as she described which would indicate a motive behind Raphael's killing but we also knew that Roman was struggling financially and we had every reason to believe that Roman would know that Raphael carried money with him we definitely feel like we've got problem caus to arres and we feel like we have our guy um we don't know if there's another individual at this point but we know we've got at least one of
them under questioning the couple remains adamant in their denials Roman would never come out and and tell us the truth Roman told us that he had never been to the area where the homicide occurred banca gives us an alibi for Roman and says that he's at the house with her when we knew that wasn't true because it was Roman's cell phone that was at the scene we got to the overlay of suspect location from the cell towers we knew the possessor of that phone was involved in this killing was it possib
le that someone else had Roman's phone on the night of the murder we had the evidence from the cell phone that Roman talked to Blanca 20 times the night of the homicide if you're sitting right next to him why are you calling him that many times and she says I'm not so thank started kind of started to change now we have actual evidence from you know the mouth of his own wife um that what he's saying isn't true so to this point we have a very compelling circumstantial case we've got the cell phone
records we have motive police take Roman's fingerprints and swab him for DNA and then we get the information back from their crime lab and we find DNA from the scene on a beer Bo model that belongs to Roman madono the DNA evidence that came back to Roman Madrono you really firmed up the case against him it went from a very circumstantial case to a really good case police are ready to charge Roman with murder but know the case is far from airtight there was no murder weapon we didn't have an iwi
tness to it we knew that proving it in court was going to be very difficult to do then as detectives go back carefully over forensic reports from the State Crime Lab they find something unexpected we were shocked when we found a second individual's fingerprint at the scene when that fingerprint came back with a second person it really blew it wide open this fingerprint affirmed our suspicion that there was more than one person involved in The Killing that was a bombshell that that was a game Che
r in terms of the criminal prosecution because now we had an eyewitness that print came back to a guy by the name of Adon MOA Adon MOA was a member of the community there in the plazy this fingerprint came back from the Department of Homeland Security when Adon MOA was deported previously Adon MOA was known as the ice cream man when I found out the ice cream men was involved it was a shock because you you don't expect someone to be that person why would Raphael's friend the ice cream vendor turn
against him we knew he was at the scene we knew he knew the victim we knew he knew the other suspect Marco Laura told us that Adon and Roman were pretty tied I mean they spent a lot of time together the consensus amongst the investigators is that it was more than likely a a two reism motive one they were in in Dire Straits needing money and two that Raphael had disrespected Roman and talking to his wife Blanca at that point we issued a warrant for Adon MOA um however we did not have a location
is where he was at we spoke with an individual that told us that he had gotten scared about a criminal investigation and that he had went up North but we did find that he was on Facebook we wrote a search warrant to face and Facebook provided us a probable location of a dawn we were able to locate those IP addresses into a suburb of Detroit Michigan it gave us about a three block area detectives contact US Marshals who take a dawn into custody within a matter of hours I read Adon his rights whil
e speaking with him he acted as if he was not close to Raphael and any anyway when I asked him specifically if he had been to the area of the KY River he stopped the interview and requested that his attorney be present hearing of adon's arrest Roman requests another interview with police during that interview Roman was trying to give me scenarios where Adon had perpetrated this crime and Roman was just trying to give him a ride had no idea what was going on told that Roman has pinned the blame o
n him Adon decides to cooperate and tell his side of the story Adon eventually agrees to speak with us and said that Roman had owed him money and that he had a way to get him his money back Adon says that the night of the homicide Roman tells him that he needs Adon to come with him and that he was going to get him the money so Adon gets in the vehicle with Roman Roman stops they get a pack of beer and they drive down down to the river bank of the KY River had a dawn just signed on to help Roman
kill Raphael if so which one of them fired the gun there's a lot of things that we don't know at this point we had two people that we could put at the crime scene but we didn't know who the trigger man was we felt confident that we could prove that Roman Madrono was there and was a part of the crime but Roman was trying to give me scenario where Adon had perpetrated this crime Adon is doing as best he can to separate himself from the crime it's extremely important for the family members that tha
t we get Justice for them this was an incredibly violent crime and we wanted the person that pulled that trigger when I found out Rafel was slurred out because someone needed help it was just horrible why would you lie to him like that we wanted a conviction for the the community or the family so we requested that Adon take a polygraph there's no way that that we can give Raphael back but what we can do is solve the crime and send the perpetrators to [Music] prison police now have two suspects i
n custody for the shooting of Raphael Hernandez Torres r Madrono and AD Mora Ramos ultimately to come back to these two people was something that we never saw coming adon's unexpected involvement in the murder gives police a valuable way to secure a conviction to ensure he's telling the truth police have Adon submit to a polygraph test during the interview with Adon he explained to us that Roman wanted him to be at a certain location to help him with a job of some sort they went out to the area
where the homicide had occurred and they were there drinking some beer and just hanging out Adon doesn't really know what's going on he's asking Roman you know what are we doing how are we going to get this money well Roman keeps walking off and he's he's on the phone he makes a phone call where Adon can't hear him after a period of time Adon sees Raphael's silver car pulling down where they're at Raphael believed that he was going to help a friend who had gotten into an accident it was Roman's
cell phone that made the call to lure Raphael out to the rural secluded area according to a dawn Raphael drank a few beers with them and then Roman asked for his help jump starting his car Roman directed Rafael's vehicle to pull down and give him a jump Roman tells Adon to take the jumper cables and hook him up to the cars Adon tells investigators that what happened next took him by surprise Adon is trying to hook up the cables under the hood of the car [Music] and he hears the gunshots he looks
up and says that he sees Roman standing over Raphael and that Raphael has been shot several times ad Don fingers Roman as the trigger man as the actual killer the polygraph test confirms that a dawn is telling the truth that was the last piece of evidence that that we needed the information that he gave um was truthful and it became clear that Roman was really the one that had a personal uh Vendetta against Raphael and the financial motive for it well we knew Don participated we knew he helped
out with it Adon admitted that he put Rafael's body in the trunk and helped push the vehicle into the river and Adon said he was afraid that Roman was going to shoot him as well Adon never says anything about the money Adon just says he's worried that he's going to be next now he's a witness to this crime and so Adon because of that fear fled the area shortly after the crime had happened ultimately we charged Adon with accessory and gave him a 15-year sentence Adon was there he could have stoppe
d this and he didn't he could have cooperated and he didn't um so he needed to go to prison Roman entered a plea of no contest two murder in the first degree and the judge sentenced him to life in prison with the possibility of parole when this investigation started it was was a true who done it we weren't certain on who was involved or why they would want Raphael killed for such a violent act to be committed over a couple thousand dollars and an off-hand comment toh to Roman's wife is unexplain
able it was a cruel and unusual way of getting back at somebody for being jealous um and wanting the things that he had Raphael was a generous man a benevolent man and they took advantage of that they knew that he would be willing to help them and they used that good nature against him and ultimately um lured him out there and murdered him my whole family F were leave because we we finally got Justice from our brother Rafel cuz his dead didn't go in vain my feeling and thought about these people
was always like why why what problem did they have with Raphael I don't know today the Hernandez tus family does everything they can to keep Raphael's memory alive Raphael was like a role model for everybody he was the biggest role model for me cuz he showed me even when I'm when I'm down to always get up and fight for what I like I would just love for Rafael to be remembered as a crazy funny Flor titious guy who thought of helping other people always something or someone who remembers Rafael a
nd talk about his life and we just all start crying and we wish he was still here but he's still with us an ambitious young woman loved by the community everyone was friends with Terry she was hardworking had two jobs by 21 she owned a home has her future ripped away this was a particularly brutal attack they stabbed her multiple times on that road this would have been a horrifying death police discover unwanted admirers prone to violence he was covered in blood and had blood in his hair and all
he carrying a knife he was jealous and said that it' kill her but the evidence leads nowhere the investigation is getting older and older and harder and harder to solve I didn't think we were going to get an answer for this case until a surprise breakthrough I was beyond excited I actually shouted oh my God at my desk points to a killer off the radar right away I'm like who's that guy why why did someone do this people said oh no he wouldn't kill anybody but he had this pretend life he had no c
riminal record he did not emerge as a likely suspect at [Music] all German Town Wisconsin a sleepy Village celebrated as one of the best places to live in America I grew up in Germantown it's you know a small community I would ride my bike to the store for my mom it was not some place that you were afraid of German toown is a small town near Milwaukee a lot of Farmland a lot of Open Spaces just a lot of dairy farming some factories and homes but on May 28th 1999 this bedroom community wakes to a
horrific crime have body up here and uh Lane there's a green car there green party car she on the C there's blood on the road I got a phone call that there was a suspected homicide in the industrial park I immediately went to the crime scene I saw a vehicle down the side of the road facing west a large amount of blood in the roadway I observed what appeared to be Footwear impressions in blood I saw what appeared to be drag marks of blood two large pools of blood and alongside the vehicle was a
female lying faed down when we rolled her over she had a significant number of what appeared to be stab wounds on her front she had stab wounds on both sides of her neck she had some blood on her hands and you know we're always hoping that there's a fight so she can either scratch the attacker so the hands were swabbed for DNA we proceeded with the perspective she may have not been expecting it and things went South very very fast I do believe there was rage in this case that usually is indicati
ve of personal that they know each other it's almost to the point of Overkill who was this woman who had been so savagely murdered investigators looked to the victim's car for answers the vehicle itself appeared to be parked in a reasonable manner alongside the road her car keys were by her body so she probably had them when she got out of her car and then dropped them in the fight the keys indicated that she willingly got out of the vehicle and talked to someone and then the the homicide occurr
ed the stabbing continued not only in the roadway but on the grass at two different locations and then it looked like it may have occurred alongside the vehicle there's blood spatter and castoff on her wheel on her hood on her Fender and up on her windshield her purse was in the vehicle there was $200 in her purse this was not a robbery this was something else after finding a driver's license police determine the victim is 22-year-old Teresa walowski out on the road there was Tire acceleration m
arks leading away from the pool of blood in the roadway as if you put your foot on the accelerator and peeled out confirming to us that there was another vehicle in front of her where she was more than likely stabbed police comb the crime scene but no murder weapon is found as detectives try to make sense of what happened to Teresa her lifelong best friend Michelle gets a call Terry's brother called and it was early not that it was out of the ordinary because we were all so close and so I answer
ed and he's like Michelle Terry never came home last night well I'm going to start calling police departments and Germantown said we have her name on file you'll have to come and speak to a detective Michelle and Teresa's brother Rush to the station they had last seen Teresa the day before when she left for work I'll never forget the officer was in front of me and I said where is she and he said I'm sorry she's gone and I just remember screaming someone just told me my friend is gone what does g
one mean born in Germantown Wisconsin Teresa walowski grew up an outgoing girl with a Magnetic Personality everyone was friends with Terry we became best friends in sixth grade and from that moment on we were inseparable we were sisters there were not many people that called her Teresa she was always Terry I think the only time that I remember her being called Teresa was when her mom was mad when we had done something wrong it was always just her and I on the playground I mean we were just alway
s I want to say running the neighborhood you know I can't remember a weekend that I wasn't at her house as she got older Teresa was fiercely independent buying a car at 16 and moving out on her own at 18 she was working at Cousins Subs in mecan and she would go there at 7:00 a.m. and she would get done by 1 and she would head over to Stone container and she would work till 11:00 at night despite a heavy work schedule Teresa loved to be social oh Terry was fun you know Terry liked attention and s
he definitely liked the attention from men men just seemed more attracted to her she was young she was beautiful any guy would have wanted that how then did someone so driven and well-liked meet such a horrible fate young female you know at the beginning of her life getting getting things together and it's ended back at the station investigators reach out to Teresa's family and friends to piece together the hours leading up to her death her shift ended at 11: and the last that anybody saw of her
that we know of was that she got into her vehicle and left that parking lot during the interviews detectives get their first tip that morning the officers received a contact from somebody at the Department of Public Works they had a channel on the same radio system that the police department was on so they would know that the homicide occurred they indicated that somebody driving a truck pulled into the parking lot an individual got out and they said that he was covered in blood and had blood i
n his hair is this man somehow connected to the crime scene detectives head over to interview the witnesses who tell police they'd never seen the man before we were told the truck driver asked if there was a hospital nearby and then he he indicated now he just clean up in the bathroom which he did and then left it's very common that the person who's doing the attacking gets stabbed too or Cuts himself especially if there's a struggle now we had a suspect a viable suspect and now we needed to fin
d that person to figure out what happened coming up detectives uncover suspects with violent tendencies he said he can cut people like paper he could become abusive and violent and and untangle a web of deception well he was never married he didn't have any kids he said I don't want to be a snitch leading them to a suspect they never imagined we really felt that we had turned the corner on this case it was almost surreal it got me because it wasn't anyone I [Music] knew hours after finding Teres
a Wes II stabbed to death at the side of the road police search for a man seen covered in blood at a nearby Public Works building we had a a very good police artist he did a sketch of the individual based on the statements from the witnesses put the word out there into the community while police wait for leads on the bloody man they shift their attention to Teresa's home to look for Clues I went down to Teresa's house we made a search of the residence I checked the shoes in the residence against
the Footwear impression at the crime scene and none of them matched so the Footwear impression at the scene weren't Teresa's investigators talked to Teresa's family and friends hoping to learn more about her they learned she was dating someone named Charlie Charlie was a young man who didn't hold down a lot of jobs very well he was staying at his parents house they had been dating for a few months prior to her homicide we had known Charlie since grade school we grew up with Charlie he was 3 yea
rs older than us we had some people that we interviewed and that said they fought a lot or she wanted to break up with him I didn't think Charlie was good for anyone in Terry's mind he was temporary a couple of weeks before her homicide we found out that he borrowed her car while she was at work and failed to pick her up she walked to the tavern and then they got in a bit of a argument and she finally said enough is enough friends worried how Charlie might react to Teresa moving on some of the p
eople indicated that Teresa told them this boyfriend was jealous and said that if he caught her going out with somebody else he'd kill her he said give me two weeks and you won't have your friend anymore you like what do you mean I won't have my friend so that it raises a flag that we have to determine if it got worse after that or was it just a a one evening spat you know stabbing is very personal that usually is indicative that they know each other why did someone do this what did she do that
was so bad that someone had to stab her repeatedly in this crime of passion [Music] police immediately bring Charlie in for [Music] questioning Charlie was very nervous and seemed to act like he didn't really want to be there when police asked Charlie where he was the night of the murder he says he was home he lived in the basement of his parents house and he was alibied by his mother I remember the mother claiming there's no way he could get out of this house without me hearing it however he in
the basement which the patio door opens up from the basement outside so he could leave the house without his parents knowing at times fre to got off of work at 11: at night and she's found in the morning at 5 or 6:00 so his Alibi has weaknesses it's not airtight could Charlie have snuck out driven to see Teresa and murdered her did Charlie have access to a car he borrowed cars from people a lot so could he have had a car that night yeah he could have the homicides probably less than 5 miles fro
m his house police looked to the tire track evidence the tire tracks at the scene were measured and documented I made contact with the Michigan State Police who have a database of vehicles they came back with a list of vehicles based on Manufacturing specifications that could have created that and it's quite a large list while detectives continued to investigate Charlie they also turned to the Box Factory where Teresa worked whenever you have a homicide like this and it's right down the road fro
m where she worked obviously your biggest pool of suspects has to be the guys she worked with there was a fair number of men that were interested in her and there were some that you know had dated her her there were some that wanted to date her it wasn't like she was going out and dating them she just liked hanging out with them so we went to the factory to determine who had contact with Teresa and is there anything that stands out and points to any particular individual as possibly having done
this we interviewed one of her co-workers named Mark lecki Mark lecki worked the same shift as Teresa Mark was known as a soft spoken but well-liked guy at the factory he's a very quiet individual very reserved most people would describe him as very mellow working just a few machines away from each other Mark and Teresa had become close he talked her at work he was a nice likable person and it got to the point where they developed kind of a friendship unlike the men at the factory who wanted to
date Teresa Mark preferred sharing sto stories about his family Mark Lecky told Teresa that he had a couple kids and he kept photos of them in his wallet he would show them to Teresa saying these are my kids he talked to her enough to create a relationship that she felt the need to go and talk to him when he needed a friend Mark tells police he is saddened by Teresa's death he also remembers something was off with her the night she died he indicated that he saw her that night of the homicide and
commented that it looked like she was having a bad day and she said yeah something was jamming in her machine she just laughed it off and moved on having no reason to question mark further police turned to co-workers with a less amicable relationship with Teresa there were some statements from individuals that they observed her having an argument with somebody by the vehicle before the night of the homicide the men man Teresa was arguing with is identified as her cooworker Isaac Alvarez when po
lice dig into his background they find some troubling details Isaac Alvarez was just a little bit weird and he always carried a knife at one point he was upset with a coworker and he said I'm going to cut that Cracker or I'm going to knife that [Â __Â ] he told somebody else that you know he can cut people like paper his comments about cutting up a supervisor those are the comments that we heard and those are the comments that kept our interest in him to find out more police look into Isaac's pers
onal life his ex-wife indicated that he did have a knife he o kept on his belt and she indicated that he could become abusive and violent after one drink police bring in Isaac to shed light on his relationship with Teresa and why they were arguing at work and in talking to to him about Teresa you could see the emotion coming out of him this was very stressful for him that's also the type of stressor that might cause somebody to commit a homicide then Isaac reveals something else he did ask Teres
a if she wanted to meet him for a drink and Teresa being who Teresa was she didn't say no way she said said well we'll see he shows up and she's not there is that rejection had Teresa's rejection sent Isaac into a murderous rage we asked Isaac to take a polygraph because of Isaac's Strange Behaviors Outburst maybe prone to violence and always carrying a knife and he was seen in the parking lot area that night he was on our main suspect list [Music] while investigating the stabbing death of Teres
a walowski police focus on her co-workers she's working in a factory populated by mostly men that sets up a scenario where you're going to have people trying to ask her out she was outgoing and she was friendly so people could perceive that as being let on where in fact she was probably just being nice she always tried to L on easy she would always be like well I don't want to hurt his feelings she just wanted to make sure that they still wanted to be her friend at the police station investigato
rs interview one of those workers Isaac Alvarez Witnesses saw Isaac argue with Teresa before the night of her death Isaac's Alibi when he was interviewed he was home home he lives with 50 plus year old lady his story was he went to bed at 9:00 and he may have had a conversation with her when she came home but he doesn't recall she says she had a conversation with him 11:15 11:30 at night and she thought it was around 1:00 when he went to bed it's a little different than his story well in his cas
e is that person willing to lie for you we don't know so that's not an airtight alibi police convince Isaac to take a polygraph he was somewhat deceptive and not answering the questions in the proper manner and so we believe that he was trying to skew the results of the polygraph you couldn't get a good answer from him so because of that it was ruled inconclusive without any hard evidence police can't charge Isaac for the crime while detectives look for more leads Teresa's autopsy report arrives
based on the injury patterns the attack was a surprise attack because we did not see a significant amount of defensive type injuries and then she was pinned in a prone or face down position I individually identified and labeled 47 separate stab wounds this would have been a horrifying death for any individual as police review evidence they follow up on the lead on the bloody man from the Department of Public Works they had a sketch made of this uh unknown person that stopped at the garage to wa
sh up we put it out there the individual didn't come forward it was out in the press it was in the newspaper I did go back and reinw the witnesses but nothing came back of evidentiary value police also continue interviewing Teresa's friends I always protected Terry so when she was killed I had no purpose anymore and so I gave my all to whatever they needed it was hours and hours and hours of interviews with the police trying to give them everything that I knew about every person we had ever hung
out with for me to help them to hopefully find who did this one of the people detectives learn about is Jerry Kirkpatrick so Jerry Kirkpatrick was a delivery guy to cousins where Teresa worked friends say Jerry asked Teresa out numerous times I don't think she was looking to have a relationship with him he was definitely interested in her that's the indication that we got that he was pursuing her more than she was pursuing [Music] him police learn about about one encounter with Jerry that left
Teresa unsettled I thought I saw Jerry before she died at the club just watching us and it just it gave me this feeling like why is he here like he shouldn't know we're here why is he standing off in the shadows it was a very creepy feeling so the question is is Jerry stalking her but then Teresa's friends point out something else disturbing about Jerry thought he might be similar to the picture of the person that was at the Department of Public Works the drawing looked like him officers immedia
tely interview Jerry at his home Jerry denies he is the man in the sketch he claims he was at a bar with his stepbrother the night of Teresa's murder then went home before midnight there was Alibi information that was confirming of the statement when he got home he called for a pizza to be delivered and that was confirmed subsequently with phone records he let us look at his vehicle We examined the interior or exterior nothing of evidentiary value was located in that examination then investigato
rs make a startling Discovery there were knives found at Jerry Kirkpatrick's residents a lot of times we ask people do you have knives and can we see those knives do you mind if we'd have him tested a lot of times that's done for reaction so he presents four or five knives he did let us look at them when we were at the house we even submitted them to the crime lab to have it analyzed while investigators wait for results Jerry's landlord delivers some alarming news what happens within the next fe
w days is he talks to his landlord about breaking his lease Jer Kirkpatrick decided to move out of town and that's in the midst of being interviewed and investigation so right away that raises our suspicion was Jerry trying to give detectives the slip it is clearly a red flag and we have to look at that behavior as being possibly flight Behavior so you want to find out [Music] why while investigating Jerry Kirkpatrick for the brutal stabbing of 22-year-old Teresa walowski detectives learn from J
erry's landlord he's about to skip town the landlord knew the police were talking to Jerry we were actually notified by the Milwaukee Police Department because the landlord had thought hey this is odd and called them he says he's going to move to Tennessee one of the aspects you look at in the homicide is there any flight Behavior after the homicide well breaking your lease and moving to Tennessee might be described as flight Behavior we did confirm that he put money on a place on that Friday af
ter the homicide but when investigators get the lab results back on Jerry's knives the case takes a frustrating turn nothing came back of evidentiary value somebody having a collection of knives is not that uncommon especially in Wisconsin and the quick move that he made is something strange but you know there's nothing we can do about it if he wants a move he can move police have one more lead to follow Jerry's resemblance to the bloody man at the Public Works building he fit that description w
e've actually did an in-person lineup with Jerry and he was not picked out by the individuals that observed this person driving the truck that person was never identified and never located without any hard evidence linking Jerry to the murder police have to let him go weeks go by and investigators worry the case will grow cold we're doing interviews some people were re-interviewing But as time moves on the investigation is getting older and older and harder and harder to solve as the weeks turn
into months investigators doggedly work the case well I technically could have retired about 5 years before I did a lot of it is to bring Justice for the victim but also to bring some sort of resolution or closure for the family the police kept telling me that it was someone close to her because of the horrific nature of it I alienated myself from people because I just didn't know who I could or couldn't trust months turn into years but Teresa's loved ones make sure she's not forgotten once a ye
ar on the date of the murder the families would come out and hold vigils it was a way for the family to try to say that we're still fighting to resolve this case but we use it as a way of seeing who is showing up and maybe more importantly who isn't showing up nothing seems out of the ordinary until 2005 6 years after the murder when Teresa's family notices something unusual her mom had called me and said did you happen to go out and leave flowers for Terry and I said no I didn't these Arrangeme
nts showed up and they checked around and didn't know who put him there so that always leaves you to believe is there somebody out there that's feeling guilty about committing a homicide and leaving something on a grave site we had a camera installed to see if maybe we could identify the next time somebody did something like that but we didn't capture any image or anything for detectives it's another dead end but then with the investigation on the brink of going cold a new forensic technology tu
rns this six-year-old case red hot in 2005 I got a contact from the Wisconsin crime lab and Patty said hey I want you to submit this list of items for us to analyze using a technique called yst DNA testing with yst DNA testing it allows us to find a very small amount of Y chromosome male DNA in a very large amount of DNA from a female source so it's like finding that single grain of salt in a large bag of sugar early on when we had the blood evidence on Teresa's hands tested it all came back as
her DNA that's a problem because it's not giving us a lead what happens if we strip away all the X chromosomes if she's a female and that's all her blood there should be nothing left the analyst retest the swab of Teresa's hands for male DNA the first thing I did was look at the previously run DNA samples to see if there was any Y chromosome DNA present in those all of a sudden all the DNA types I developed on her hands are matching a known standard for male DNA and it was incredible I contacted
detective yogurt for samples of DNA from individual s known to be connected to the case and now we're going to go pick DNA samples from all of our suspects we took what probably our 25 top suspects nearest and dearest ex-boyfriend boyfriend that type of thing that first group was a zero undeterred investigators submit more samples we went back to the list and got a second group we were testing people that were ancel people we had d na from officers at the crime scene that we used to eliminate I
didn't think we were going to get an answer for this case then after over 40 samples a breakthrough the testing came back and only one person matched the Y chromosome found mixed into the blood on Teresa's hand tective yogur called me and said you're not going to believe this the last guy that I swapped is the guy that has a positive match on that [Music] DNA after 7 years investigating the murder of Teresa weselowski detectives have now matched DNA from the scene to one of their suspects I was
beyond excited I actually shouted oh my God at my desk we had a match from the D on Teresa his hands to Mark Lecky right away I'm like who's that guy Mark lecki is a coworker of Teresa Mark lecki was one of the individuals that was interviewed by the officers his statement was that he and Teresa were friendly at the factory so the murder occurs and Mark lecki kept working there and was still working there before they approach Mark Detectives need more than just the DNA evidence now the other he
avy lifting starts because even the DNA evidence isn't going to stand on its own so we need to bring all these other factors into play in building a case that's sufficient for the da to charge first detectives go back to the factory to dig deeper into Mark's background some people said oh no Mark leiki he wouldn't kill anybody he's just a puppy he he would show people pictures of little girls and he said they were they were his daughters what do you think I should get them for Christmas or birth
day whatever when detectives look closer they discover Mark isn't all he claims to be well he was never married he didn't have any kids so this is just like weird he had this like pretend life Mark Lecky was pretty much a loner lived with his parents in a mobile home and a rural area apparently like to watch television play video games I think it was just a big fantasy with him a big game to try to fit in what else had Mark been hiding we had one person that said that Mark had asked her what she
thought he could do the better his chances with going out with Teresa so he clearly had a focus on her detectives revisit evidence from the crime scene starting with the blood bloody bootprints the problem with identifying somebody with a common shoe is there's so many of them there could be millions of those shoes made I contact a person in Scottdale Arizona the detective in their forensic unit and he had the foremost outsold databases that existed and he said that is a Texas deer out soole ea
rly in the investigation we had information about the employee being supplied shoes or they could purchase shoes from a store when police search Factory records they make a crucial Discovery and we determined that Mark leiki had submitted a receipt for a Texas steer Sho next investigators turned to the tire tracks left at the scene so we took 56 people out of our investigation and identified the vehicles that were registered to them at the time of the homicide five individuals had vehicles that
were able to make that Mark at the scene one of them was Mark leiki with the evidence piling up detectives asked Mark to come down to the police department for an interview he was quiet he answered the questions he was confident I would say that confidence doesn't last long when he finds out that his DNA is on her hands he then starts to try and explain why they are there what started out as I just talked to her at the door is I didn't talk to her then I talked to her at a break and we may have
hugged detectives confront Mark with the evidence I told him the car wheel track matches your DNA is found on her hands and a boot that you wear is in the blood Footwear impression on the road so you know we're looking at you you need to start explaining some of this stuff now it's Mark's turn to drop a bombshell on police he said I don't want to get anyone else in trouble I don't want to be a snitch then he mentioned this guy named Tom Thompson Tom Thompson worked at the factory with Mark and T
eresa at the time of the homicide the officers that went up and did the canvas at the factory did speak with Tom Thompson his state statement to them was that he knew Teresa he wasn't necessarily friends with Teresa they never dated anything like that Mark tells them what happened the night of the murder Mark said he stopped on the side of the road to buy some cocaine from Thompson he said that when he got up there there was a vehicle already parked in front where he parked and Tom Thompson walk
ed up to his vehicle so Thompson goes in sits in the back seat markk said I am doing the cocaine in the front of the seat according to him Teresa gets in the back seat and gets in argument with Tom and he proceeds to stab her Mark says he only hears thumping and movement in the back seat now it's time to start poking holes in the story she cannot be stabbed 40 some times in the backseat of someone's car and they not know what's going on the whole interor would have been covered in blood so that'
s out right there Mark says Teresa flops out of there onto the ground Tom Thompson continues to stab her and drags her to that location alongside the vehicle according to Mark Thompson then turned on him Tom Thompson tell him you keep your mouth shut and then he let him go so he kept his mouth shut he didn't go to the police 4 years later Tom Tom Thompson dies but Mark keeps silent for another 3 years he's trying to explain how he's involved in this homicide and the easiest thing to do is to bla
me it on the Dead Guy detectives reinw workers at the factory about Tom Thompson everybody to a person said he was a health nut we have found no indication that he was dealing cocaine or using cocaine investigators asked Teresa's friends if she used drugs Terry wanted nothing to do with cocaine nothing so she wouldn't have gone there to buy drugs from Tom Thompson what was her reason for being there there's one last piece of evidence to examine the car that Mark drove at the time of the murder w
e wanted that vehicle we found it by another owner and we ended up buying it from that guy we brought it down to the lab and examined it for blood hair whatever evidence that we could that rear seat was taken apart it was a perforated leather so there were holes in it so the blood went down through the holes in that leather and then they soaked into the foam rubber of that seat does the blood belong to Teresa it's sent to the lab for analysis I was very excited to call Mike yogur and let him kno
w I had found a possible match [Music] 10 years after 22-year-old Teresa walowski is stabbed to death detectives are waiting to see if blood found in the back of coworker Mark lecky's car belongs to her those DNA profiles match the DNA profile from Teresa wasowski oh it was significant it was an important moment but what about Mark's claim that that cooworker Tom Thompson killed Teresa at this stage in 7 years after the murder Le Becky is implicating a man who had died 3 years earlier but it was
only lecky's DNA that was ever found on Teresa's body they find blood in a cushion of a seat in leck's car they find that that's Teresa's DNA they have his DNA her DNA and at that point the case was made that was the final thing that district attorney needed to issue the charge we really felt that we had turned the corner on this case detective yogur called me and he said I just want to let you know that we are going to make an arrest and I was so excited I was waiting just waiting for the the
news detectives go to the box Factory where Mark works we watched for him to come out of the building and Kim and I walked up to him and bu was is under arrest I was excited it was a good day Mark denies killing Teresa so investigators are left to piece together what really happened that night I think Mark leiki was a very lonely person that probably imagined a relationship with Teresa and decided she was the one she was just being nice to people and he probably read that for more than it was I
think for Terry it was more that this guy was telling him his problems at work and she was a listener she would listen he wore on her heartstrings and her niceness as a person then on May 28th 1999 Mark made his move I think that she was coming out of the building and Mark for whatever reason convinced her to meet him they meet at the back of the vehicle I think that he probably did ask her to come back to his place for the night and when she said no he just went on a rampage and just started st
abbing her he stabbed her multiple times on that road then he dragged her over to that grass he stabbed there some more there's blood flying up on her car he was a monster that night we can only guess at it because he's not talking we don't have to prove why he did this we just have to prove that he did after the vicious stabbing Mark returned to his normal routine Mark Lecky continues to work at the factory he doesn't make any erratic move like moving away or changing jobs he just sort of carri
es on with life as he did before the murder he had no criminal record Mar Lecky certainly did not emerge as a likely suspect at at all it was shocking to hear that Mark Lecky had killed Teresa it was almost surreal I got me because it wasn't anyone I knew at trial Mark lecki enters a plea of not guilty and sticks to his story that Tom Thompson killed Teresa clearly his incentive was to try and show somebody else did it back there but that doesn't hold doesn't hold up I don't think injury what th
at at all Mark is convicted of first-degree murder and in November 2010 he is sentenced to 30 years in prison with no chance of parole Mark Lecky did not admit guilt the judge noted that lecki never expressed any remorse in his mind he's still not guilty and the judge even said to him I hope that someday you will admit to yourself that you've done this because you have done this the journey was long and tedious it will never replace Teresa for the family she was a good kid she was moving forward
with her life she probably would have maybe had [Music] grandkids all those things are lost because of Mark I have pictures up of us we had always said we would grow old together and raise our children together my kids always ask you know Mom why was your friend murdered I don't know is she in heaven yeah I think she [Music] is a woman enjoying retirement after a lifetime of hard work my mother did very well for herself she was a very strong willed woman Nina was quirky I can't tell you how muc
h she loved frogs and Elvis Presley and Country Music she just marched to her own drum and did her thing found brutally murdered in her home he stabbed her 24 times there was blood throughout the house it's like living in a bad horror movie a dangerous predator eludes police she had been sexually assaulted our victim potentially knew who the suspect was I kept asking them is this going to be a cold case and they kept telling me we're not done yet DNA evidence leads to a shocking realization it w
as a match to another murder the thought that we had a serial killer here in town scared the hell out of me and a suspect no one saw coming to call this an unexpected killer is an understatement that's like every person's nightmare it hit me like a ton of [Music] bricks Kansas City is a large metropolitan area on the border between Kansas and Missouri Kansas City can be a very fun place to be we love our Sports in this city it's a very friendly place to live nothing seems out of the ordinary on
October 29th 2010 until Kansas City Police receive a 911 call about a woman found unresponsive in her home a woman called police and said she discovered her mother at the bottom of the basement stairs and she checked her for for Vital Signs and found she was dead when the first officer arrives on the scene the caller leads them to her 75-year-old mother Nina Whitney I showed them my mother's body laying at the the bottom of the stairs I told the police officers I believe she had just dropped ove
r from a heart attack and then I called my cousin Kim the phone rang and I picked it up and Paige told me my mother is dead Paige said she thought maybe Aunt Nina fell down the stairs going to the garage while Paige speaks with her cousin on the phone police take a closer look at Nina's body nah was faced down and there was a shelving unit there with a bunch of glass frogs and a lot of those frogs had fallen off the shelf on top of her it initially looks like an accident and a natural death but
when they rolled the victim of they discovered several stab wounds in her chest and also what were determined were defensive wounds on our hands which is something that we see when when someone fights back clearly this is no accident and detectives arrived to begin a homicide investig ation when someone stabbed like the victim was it usually means there's some sort of emotion tied there because you're actually stabbing someone instead of just shooting them or something like that her blouse had b
een pulled up and there were buttons missing and they quickly discovered that they what they believed to be saliva on her breast which they swabbed so it felt like this was sort of a sexual nature homicide police inform Paige that her mother has been murdered I don't think I've ever been that stunned in my entire life it's just it's so surreal it's like living in a bad horror movie I Tru I don't know how to describe it you're just totally and completely stunned a lifelong native of the Midwest n
ah Whitney was a woman with humble roots my mother was born in South Dakota and then their family wound up here in Kansas City in the late 40s early 50s my mother had a very rough life my mom's mom left their family so my mom was left to take care of her younger siblings she married my father and my parents divorced when I was about 9 years old my father left her pretty much destitute so it was just the two of us and we struggled tremendously my mother worked some very hard jobs and we lived on
food stamps eventually nah found a stable well-paying career she worked on the assembly line at General Motors here in Kansas City she managed to buy a house and she did very well for herself she was a very strong willed woman Nina wanted a better life for her daughter and encouraged Paige to get an education I went into Criminal Justice at Central Missouri State University and I was a probation par officer for 25 years the older I became the closer my mother and I became we spent tremendous amo
unt of time together my mother started collecting frogs back in the mid 70s ceramic glass dishes clothes bedding towels the entire house was filled wall to- wall floor to ceiling with frogs Nina's favorite hobby earned her the nickname the Frog lady nah was quirky I can't tell you how much she loved frogs and Elvis presling and Country Music she just marched to her own drum and did her thing investigators are stunned that someone would viciously attack this 75-year-old woman in her home I was in
total shock truly she was in her house minding her own business not doing anything wrong like how on Earth did that happen when I found out Nina had been killed I couldn't imagine who could have done this I had no ideas detectives interview Paige to narrow down when the murder might have taken place Friday about 6:45 I decided to call my mother to see what time she wented wanted to go shopping on Saturday and that's when she didn't answer the phone it was extremely unusual for her not to answer
the phone so then I called the cell phone and she didn't answer that either then I started to panic so then I took off and went out South toward her house and when I got to her house the porch light was not on and I knew something was very wrong so I walked through to the kitchen and it was dark so I turned light on and there was her body laying at the bottom of the [Music] stairs and I could feel the back of her head and her head was ice cold and I called 911 and then it just kind of hit me ou
t of the blue that I was hearing weird noises so I followed the noise upstairs to the hall bathroom both both Faucets in the tub were running full blast and I thought well that's just really strange because my mother didn't use that bathroom detectives wonder if Nina's killer had turned on the faucets and if so why the victim's daughter had located the guest bathroom bathtub faucets running and she had turned those faucets off so the bathroom was processed for fingerprints and DNA in the victim'
s bedroom there was like an imprint of of where it looked like somebody had been laying on the on the comforter and near the bed we could see buttons that appeared to be similar to the victim's blouse as well as a hair roller that was similar to the hair rollers in the victim's hair so that led us to believe that the victim was assaulted and maybe her blouse may have been torn open at that location as every corner of the house is searched for evidence investigators make a crucial Discovery we op
ened opened up the knife drawer in the kitchen and located a pairing knife where the blade was bent and there was blood at the base of the blade near the handle that could mean that somebody had tried to wipe it clean forensics bag the knife for further analysis and process the house with luminol which can indicate the presence of blood the luminol tells us that somebody was moving around in that house with some amount of blood on them we got that blue glow in the victim's bedroom bathroom hallw
ay living room and the kitchen the front door was unlocked and we didn't find any sign of forced entry which was a a big clue for us that our victim potentially knew who the suspect was there's no reason for anyone to hurt her and my mother was not a very social person at all she had no family other than me here in town that would be in and out of the house Eng points to one detail detectives could not have determined from their search there was a shelf by the front door where her cell phone alw
ays was so she could take it when she went out the front door and um it was missing had the killer snatched Nina's cell phone police request a trace on it while officers go door too looking for Witnesses one of my other detectives found a party down the street that had seen a white male in the neighborhood earlier that day he wasn't his ' 50s walking with a limp the witness saw him go to a black jeep he saw that car was parked kind of behind the house about a block away and so he sees this guy w
alking and kind of looking around and so he just kind of mentally noted that he kind of looked like he was probably up to no good could the suspicious man be nah Whitney's killer as they start to track him down detectives catch a break we found that Nina's fun phone was still on and still being used in South Kansas City we were able to do surveillance and observe the person using our victim cell phone coming up a break in the case reveals a potential serial killer we had another homicide there w
ere zip ties that have been used for bindings he terrorized an entire community and a grieving daughter takes matters into her own hands I did feel a need to help them invest at my mother's homicide if she didn't get the answers then she kept asking in my gut I just knew that was [Music] him detectives investigating the vicious stabbing of 75-year-old Nina Whitney believed the killer stole her cell phone now police have traced the phone to an address in South Kansas City and rushed to apprehend
the suspect we did kick his door in and when we took the suspect into custody we found that he had the phone on his person the suspect goes by the nickname Lil Mickey police aand to know how he came into possession of a murdered woman's cell phone he told us he was walking down the street pretty close to our victim's house and found that phone laying in the grass he said he didn't make the most money in the world and uh was just glad to have a cell phone that was working and started using the ce
ll phone skeptical of his story investigators ask him if he killed nah Whitney little Mickey adamantly denied being involved in any sort of violence with our victim or anything where someone was harmed or killed we ask him could you have bought this phone off somebody else did you get it from a person despite hours of questioning Lil Mickey stands by his story his story was I found the phone there in the grass and picked it up police want to know his whereabouts at the time of the murder based o
n her lights being off in the house we believe Nina's murder happened during daylight hours and he did provide an alibi a female that he had been with that day investigators have no grounds to detain little Mickey any longer but they obtain a sample of his DNA just in case he wouldn't seem like he would have a motive to commit thise type of crime but we still had to do our due diligence the next day police Tracked Down the woman he used as his Alibi so we talked to her the information she was ab
le to provide it matched up with what he had been [Music] saying with L Mickey looking unlikely as the killer detectives turned back to the theory that nah knew her attacker it was obvious that she had let someone in the house because there was absolutely no forced entry we had to look at Nina's history and try to figure out who she would have let into the house and we also had the witness that had seen a white male in the neighborhood my supervisor thought that composite sketch would be a good
thing to pursue in this case the witness willingly came down to Police Headquarters and met with our sketch artist she sat with him and gave a pretty goodlooking composite sketch of what he believed the party looked like that he saw that day we showed Paige that picture and she looked at it for a long time but didn't necessarily jog her memory about who it could possibly be the individual did not look familiar to me at all I could not for the life of me think of anyone who fit that description i
nvestigators can't be certain if the man seen by Nina's neighbor is the killer but with few quality leads police decide to release the sketch to the media I was the publisher and editor of the Cass County Democrat Missourian we all know that police sketches are in an unex zact science how however I I think they they can be very useful so we had run the sketch in the newspaper to put that sketch out to a larger audience as the sketch goes public detectives work with Paige to come up with a list o
f people that nah would have had a reason to let in to her home she' had quite a bit of work done on the house in the last year or so so there had been lots of people in and out working on the house maybe someone that is a predator did work inside her house and decided that she would be a good victim Paige went back into Nina's home and went through all of her records to show us dates and times when she had stuff done at her house the detectives got all that information from me and question ever
yone who had been in and out of that house my squad started working to collect DNA from anyone that we thought had contact with Nina and I think we collected about 40 to 50 samples honestly most people were willing to provide their DNA to us when we explained that this is an elderly woman that was brutally murdered if there was someone that maybe we thought was fishy or involved or could potentially be the suspect DNA is good to rule people out in cases like this the forensics lab will compare t
he scores of samples to the DNA recovered from Nina's body it'd be nice as a detective to get DNA results like they do on TV you know 5 seconds later but it was about a month after the homicide when we got our results back my boss called me and she said that we had a DNA hit so I thought that well if there's a DNA hit then we'll be able to find a suspect but that wasn't the case cuz it was unknown DNA the DNA does not match the dozens of samples collected by homicide investigators everything fro
m the mailman to little Mickey to contractors that had been inside her house it rules them out absolutely but the DNA profile that was found was a matched to another murder almost two years to the day in Harrisonville Missouri so we knew at that point that this was not the first time that this suspect did this and that wasn't something I expected it was a big deal what concerned us was that we did have a serial killer type [Music] situation one month after the murder of Nino Whitney DNA taken fr
om the crime scene has matched to another homicide in the National Database it was a match to another unsolved murder in Harrisonville Missouri it's a smaller town about an hour south of Kansas City carage Jo Roberts was found inside her home in the bathtub shot in the head with the bathtub running just like nah it seemed like a sexually motivated homicide and with the tub running that matches nah at our scene police decide to keep this explosive new information under wraps at that point we were
trying to keep this information close to the chest cuz the suspect didn't know that we knew both of crime scenes were connected we did not want that in the public detectives even withhold this new development from the victim's loved ones including Paige I kept asking them when is this going to be a cold case and they kept telling me well not yet we're not done yet and I don't know what they were doing but I know they were doing things behind the scenes investigators head to Harrisonville to get
briefed on the Carro Joe Roberts case just reading through a case File doesn't give you the whole story so to talk to an investigator that actually worked that case it it helps paint a better picture of what happened in the other investigation I was one of the detectives from Kansas City at the time that was sent to work on this case kaj Jo and her husband lived right there in the small town they had a kid seemed like a very happy relationship just your your normal happy family the Roberts fami
ly was devastated by a horrific tragedy on November 5th 2008 her husband found Cara in the bathroom she wasn't wearing any clothes there were obvious gunshot injuries she was in the bathtub and the bathtub was running there were zip ties that we speculated at the time have been used for bindings at the carage Jo Robert's scene we found two different white colored zip ties that appear to have been used but cut we also found a roll of duct tape on both the zip ties and the duct tape we had male DN
A there was DNA found on Cara's body and there was indications given by the medical examiner that she had been sexually assaulted detectives investigating Nina's murder asked for a rundown of the suspects in Cara Joe's case based on the fact of no forced entry very much kind of angled towards us believing that the the husband may have had something to do with this a domestic violence type homicide is usually spur the- moment rage and kind of action but this could have been a situation where he w
as trying to control her physically with the bindings and then it escalated Cara Joe's husband claimed he found his wife dead when he got home from work and immediately called 911 from the time she was last seene to the time when her husband came home and found her was a very tight window it was only like 45 minutes her husband gave what was kind of a complex Alibi but when we went to talk to his friends who were involved in that alibi they were able to corroborate everything DNA testing at the
time also cleared Cara Joe's husband and no other viable suspects were identified the investigation went cold until the DNA connection to nah Whitney's murder revives the case two years later Nina's homicide was a Lifeline to to the car Joe Robert's case we have double information and we have a bigger picture of what's going on in both of these acts what we have to do at that point is start doing what's called victimology you basically have to understand the circle of K Joe's world and you look
at the circle of n's world you know these two cases are linked and you want to find those commonalities in between what was really interesting was all the stuff in the car Jill Robert's case that matched up to to Nina's case as far as the tub running we had a lot of different theories but our main one was if our suspect was going to commit a rape they would want to use that tub to wash away evidence after the act in Nina's case he turns on the water to try to maybe get her body up into the batht
ub he may have not been able to drag her body up those stairs our witness down the street sees this guy walking with a limp and we thought the limp may have hindered him from getting her body back up to the tub so just like our case the car of Joe Robert's case had someone down the street that saw someone in the neighborhood the witness had seen a Jeep had seen a male going to the Jeep and that male may have been limping and it looked like they were up to no good despite the telling parallels po
lice can't find anyone connected to both nah and Cara Joe that was not the answer that we wanted as detectives cuz that meant that it was somebody totally random a random person coming in and taking their life that's like every person's nightmare in a case like this where you know there's a suspect out there that could do this again it makes it even more urgent to try to catch the person so you're grasping at straws looking for any any leads any information any help you can get to try to solve a
case like this you can only work with what information you've got coming in and there wasn't any new information coming in at that point running out of options detectives turned to the one person who might be able to connect the two victims detective blank called me and he said Paige I have something to tell you and what he told me was more horrifying than my mother's homicide that scared the hell out of [Music] me detectives investigating the stabbing death of nah Whitney have informed her dau
ghter Paige about a stunning development detective blank told me that there was a DNA match from the saliva they found on my mother's shirt to DNA that they found on Cara Roberts in Harrisonville Cara had been raped put in the bathtub and then shot in the back of the head the thought that we had a serial killer here in town is enough to cause Panic for every female in this city we provided information from both crime scenes to paig and that's not something we would normally tell our victim's dau
ghter but in this case Paige was a uh probation and parole officer she is Savvy in law enforcement so we thought we could trust her with that information we wanted to see if anything in her memory would be jogged to try to figure out if there's any Common People common locations that both victims would have known or gone to at the time I thought it had to be someone who targeted my mother specifically but when they showed me the evidence in Cara's case there's just a million things to think abou
t when you're trying to come up with a profile for someone like that there wasn't much there that seemed to be connected between the two victims there wasn't an aha moment in that meeting at all it's been 5 months since the murder of Nina Whitney and investigators are desperate for a break they turn back to the composite sketch of the man with the limp seen close to Nina's house I wasn't necessarily a believer in the composite sketch thing people make their own determination on whether they thin
k the information they have is valuable to a case they see that sketch and they decide well this guy's got glasses and the guy I know doesn't have glasses and so the danger in that is that that person may have information but that person may be turned off by the sketch we had run the sketch in the newspaper but really that sketch hadn't brought in a lot of leads despite their reservations police hope that more people will see the sketch on billboards around the city and someone will identify the
suspect they were able to put that picture along 71 highway along with our tips hotline the number of tips that we received on this case based on that sketch were not as numerous as you would think all of them have to be followed up on because there there could be something there that you're going to miss if you don't take those tips seriously weeks pass as investigators chase down leads that go nowhere the lack of progress takes a heavy toll on Nina's family I was really angry that she died in
her own home in that Terror and that Panic helpless and alone and and fighting for her life 24 hours a day 7 days a week I think about my mother's last few minutes of life I know the neighbor was home next door and nobody heard my mother screaming I wake up to the sound of her Screaming 2 3:00 every morning it just it doesn't go away it does not go away there's nothing nothing worse than having to tell a family member I'm sorry there's no new information coming in because they're frustrated the
y're of the mindset that why aren't you out there doing something at her Wits End Paige summons the strength she learned from nah growing up and takes it upon herself to search for the killer the investigation was not moving fast enough to make me happy so I did feel a need to help them investigate my mother's homicide I drove around the city and went to every antique shop every flea market every thrift store I could think of where she liked to shop she was looking for that white male walking wi
th a limp and that black Jeep and Paige was seeing black Jeeps like that everywhere I would take pictures of all the cars that look like black jeeps and all the license plates on those vehicles and forwarded all of those to the detectives Paige made it her job to be involved and if she didn't get the answers then she kept asking I can't even explain to you how badly I needed to know who murdered my mother despite PA's efforts 6 months after her mother's death the investigation starts to go cold
those kind of Unsolved cases in Kansas City leave an entire metro area on edge as the days turn into weeks and weeks turn into months how do you keep that case alive within the pages of your newspaper most of our weekly papers did not include an update because there was nothing to update in the case I kept thinking this is going to be a cold case I'm never going to figure it out I'm never going to figure it out you always hope for them to get information to catch a suspect quickly but I just cou
ldn't fathom who would have done it I had no suspects in mine I drove around and took pictures of the Billboards cuz I wanted to make sure I got pictures of them before they had taken them down but the sketch concerned me cuz I don't know if that description was accurate I thought there's just so many questions that I will never have answers to suddenly 1 month later PA has a realization May 26th 2011 I was driving down 71 highway and rush hour traffic and I just happened to glance up and look a
t the lower half of the billboard and I swear to you it hit me like a ton of bricks like lightning had come out of the sky and hit me in the head it just it literally all fell into place as I'm driving Down The [Music] Highway 7 months after the murder of Nina Whitney her daughter Paige has just been struck by a mindblowing realization I was driving down 71 highway and I just happened to glance up at the billboard prior to that when they showed me the sketch the individual did not look familiar
to me at all I just focused on the lower half of his face and the chin and it's just an epiphany it was Jeff Jeff Morland was a boyfriend that I had for 3 years while we were in college we met in 1983 at Central Missouri State University had a relationship for 3 years Jeff and I met in a criminal justice class he was a sweet and charming and funny as he could possibly be and I truly fell head over heels in love with him once I got my graduate degree I became a social worker and Jeff went on to b
ecome a police officer he loved being a police officer that was his ideal dream job paig and Jeff broke up after 3 years of dating much to her mother's dismay my mother absolutely adored him for years after we dated my mother told me she wished I had married him I know if he showed up on the doorstep she would happily have let him in the house could PA's ex-boyfriend from two decades prior really be the sadistic serial killer detectives have been hunting for I was so lost in my own head trying t
o tell myself that Jeff didn't do it I kept trying to tell myself that I was wrong but in my gut I just knew that was him at the Pearl office I'd mentioned it to a couple of the girls that I work with and they told me that I should run him through the system so well that makes sense so I ran Jeff through the system and lo and be cold if he didn't have a black Jeep Wrangler registered in his name and I nearly lost my cookies and I also found out Jeff had been a police officer in the gra view poli
ce department but Jeff had retired about 5 years prior to my mother's homicide because he'd had Parkinson's does the Parkinson's diagnosis mean PA's X could be the man with a limp spotted near Nina's home Paige brings her findings to detectives I told him that Jeff had been a police officer in cran View and gave him all the information that I had officers look up Jeff Morin's home address and discover he lives in the same small town as the first murder victim Cara Joe Roberts he lived in Harriso
nville Missouri so that was the first person during our investigation that matched all of the those factors detective blank said yep it could be him detectives know they have to take extra care when investigating an ex cop Harrisonville is a very small community and detective blank told me that Jeff knew every law enforcement officer in the county and that he would find out that he was under investigation investigators decide a direct approach is the best option we did not believe that we had pr
obable cause at that point to get a search warrant to get his DNA so we went down and knocked on his front door I did tell him your name's come up in a homicide and we need to get a DNA sample from you if someone were to tell me that I'd be like what homicide are you talking about that was not Mr Morin's reaction he said well I've got to go take my cat to the vet and he went back inside his house my gut was telling me that we had our guy but you need to be sure that this is your guy before you g
o with your gut police again asked Jeff to provide a voluntary DNA sample I ended up calling him and telling him again that hey we need your DNA to compare to this homicide and then then we'll be done Jeff again claims that he's too busy to provide a [Music] sample a week later investigators receive an unexpected phone call from the police department Jeff retired from located just outside inside Kansas City so the sergeant with Grand View police department calls us and says that he's been in con
tact with Jeff Morland and he provided him a DNA sample we rushed down there and we made contact with the sergeant on his desk he had a pill bottle the sergeant provides a strange account of how he obtained Jeff's DNA Jeff told him that I want you to meet me at this gas station along 71 highway and Jeff shows up in his black Jeep and Jeff tells him that Kansas City has come and accused him of being involved in a murder as he's explaining the story he takes swabs and puts them in his mouth and th
en Jeff hands him this bottle along with my card and says here give this to the detectives we tell the sergeant that sample is not going to work you can't just provide your own sample and the sergeant sort of indicated well we'll just get rid of it in the trash then we told him him know we'll take that bottle off his hands and take that from him the evidentiary value of this stuff is just worthless but obviously we recover it and we examine it that DNA was tested and it did not match our homicid
e the fact that that DNA came back as not a match just didn't surprise me at all had he followed protocol that would have exonerated him and he very easily could have done that but he chose not to we more and more really thought that we might have had our suspect based on his actions at that point we all know about serial killers I was worried that the suspect was going to do this this act again a few days later detectives get the call they've been dreading I received a phone call there was a ra
pe that occurred in Harrisonville but the victim was able to get away and then she was able to contact police the victim took the officers to where this event occurred the day before it was Jeff Morin's residence so my first question is where's Morland at now when police go to arrest Jeff he's nowhere to be found detective blank told me Jeff may have raped a third victim and he is now on the run I didn't know if he would be after me I didn't know if maybe he had figured out that it was me who in
itially contacted the police that was a [Music] nightmare former police officer Jeff Morland is the prime suspect in the murders of kajo Roberts and Nino Whitney tragically a third woman has now been attacked but Jeff has disappeared and investigators fear he may strike again when I heard that he had taken off I was worried about page the detectives told me they truly did not know where he had gone or what he knew I told detective blank he would probably find Jeff in Iowa near his family as Paig
e predicted a trace on Jeff's cell phone leads police to a motel in Iowa he had taken a bunch of over-the-counter sleeping pills he tried to take his own life and then ended up in a hospital in De Mo Jeff survives the suicide attempt and he is taken into custody by local police we headed up there to Iowa to get Mr Morin's DNA we drove all the way back from Iowa with it we wanted to be sure he wasn't going to get out of custody or bond out or whatever and then the next morning we got the DNA resu
lts back we told Paige that his DNA match both crime scenes Jeff is in fact involved in the murders of carael and Nina it just blows my mind and it was beyond all comprehension to me this was 2010 when he murdered my mother and Jeff and I split up in 1987 I had no idea what Jeff would become the last time I actually saw Jeff was in 1994 he told me then that he um periodically would Patrol up and down my mother's Street just to make sure that everything was okay and at the time I thought oh that'
s so sweet but now looking back on it I just don't know Jeff Morland is charged with the murders of Cara Joe Roberts and nah Whitney and the sexual assault of the third victim soon after laying charges investigators learn about the source of Jeff's phony DNA we were contacted by Jeff Morin's ex-wife and Jeff Morin had a daughter with this ex-wife and that daughter was engaged to someone and that guy said that Jeff had called him out of the blue and Jeff told him that he needed a sample of his DN
A for a paternity test because someone was accusing Jeff of being the father of a kid and so he provided a DNA sample and gave it to Jeff Morland then Jeff trick the Grand View police Sergeant with some slight of hand so the sergeant provided us a formal statement where he he said he wasn't able to see Morin's hands at all times when Morin was taking a sample of his DNA Jeff's attempted deception backfires only giving prosecutors more evidence against him there's nothing for the defense to attac
k there's nothing to be argued because the physical evidence was just overwhelming I think it also says a lot that Jeffrey Morin had zero Witnesses in his defense at the trial he got life without parole plus 50 years consecutive on Cara Robert's homicide and then he got 10 years for armed criminal action and 20 years for murder second on my mother's case to run concurrent with no trial testimony from Jeff police and the victim's families are left to piece together exactly what happened to Nino W
hitney and Cara Joe Roberts what we do know is that Jeff Morin took Caro's life my first person opinion is he was driving by and saw her in the yard and he was in that mode where he was hunting and decided that's his Target after killing Cara Joe it seems Jeff developed a taste for murder he struck again two years later I believe the day that nah was murdered Jeff Morin simply knocked on the door and nah saw who it was and let him in the house it's not necessarily uncommon for a predator to go a
fter older women because they feel like they are easier victims of course my mother would let him in and then at some point he had to have started forcing her backwards upstairs I think when he got her into her bedroom that he tried to rip her shirt off of her forced her onto the bed but she did fight back she did run my mother went running down the stairs he chased her he stabbed her 24 times the kill shot was here through the throat at some point he turns on the water to try to maybe get her b
ody up into the bathtub to wash off his DNA but at that point he knew with his Parkinson's acting up that there was no way he was going to be able to take her body back up two flights of stairs and put her in a bathtub and then he went upstairs to clean the knife off put the knife in the kitchen drawer and went out through the sliding glass door investigators believe that before he left Morin stole Nina's cell phone to throw police off his Trail he has the presence of mind to grab that phone and
throw that phone in the grass A4 mile away from Nina's house he knows that the investigator is going to be caught up in that phone as sort of a way to lead us away from him I did not know for 8 months who murdered my mother the eight months that I spent not knowing made me insane when you have families that do their investigations sometimes it's it's not the best but Paige being involved was actually good in this case because she was actually the person that found Jeff Morland I can't even expl
ain to you how grateful I am between my mother's neighbor and the sketch artist I would have never figured it out never would have figured it out if it hadn't been for the two of them to call this an unexpected killer is is is almost an understatement Jeff Morin terrorized an entire Community Police speculate that Jeff's forced retirement a few years before the murders may have been the Catalyst that set him on the path to kill I feel that when he developed Parkinson's and he had his power taken
away from him as a police officer the murders were almost like him getting revenge on the world I joined this organization called parents of murdered children and other survivors of homicide victims and we're all based basically going through the same thing so it it does help to have someone who understands the enormity of what has happened I think n would want to be remembered as a strong independent woman who fought to the end and that's how I always remember her there are frogs in the stores
everywhere you can't go anywhere without seeing cute little frogs somewhere I think about my mother all the time when I when I see things that I know that she would appreciate her when I hear country music um I I think about her a [Music] lot a beloved father and devoted basketball coach Jimmy loved kids he loved to talk about coaching basketball and God ruthlessly gunned down in his own home there were 10 shell casing whoever did this wanted to make sure that he was dead leaving a whole Commun
ity devastated I just started screaming I literally just lost it detectives follow evidence down a twisted Trail it was what we call it who done it all the doors were locked to some fashion it was muddy Footprints coming into the foyer area to uncover a number of suspects he immediately lawyered up he didn't want to talk about anything he had just filed for divorce before he was killed was there some sort of romantic thing on arve an unveil a killer no one could have ever imagined they had no re
morse no confessions you saying that you killed him it shocked me very very much this could happen to anybody [Music] [Music] Cordova is a peaceful suburb just east of Memphis Tennessee its wideopen spaces and strong Church communities make it a Haven for families Cordova is one of those very safe neighborhood kids riding up and down to the bikes you honk at your neighbor and your neighbor way it's not a place that we're accustomed to see in violent crimes but in the winter of 2013 the town's Ca
refree spirit is disrupted by a troubled call to police the initial call came on a Friday morning from the principal at Ridgeway High School Jimmy mlan had not reported to work he was a school teacher and a basketball coach Jimmy was always punctual so when he didn't show up for work people immediately started worrying about Jimmy our Patrol officers go over there and they knocked on the door nothing the front door was locked the back door was locked the garage door was shut all the windows were
locked nothing appeared to be opened or broke and then one officer was able to look in through some glass doors and then he saw something looked like a shell casing immediately on alert officers quickly force entry into the home as soon as they made entry they saw a black male in the floor with a lot of blood around them dead homicide investigators are on the scene within minutes when I first arrived we see a male victim laying in the den area of the house who appeared to have been shot multipl
e times whoever did this wanted to make sure that he was dead detectives find a wallet in the victim's pocket the ID inside confirms this is 49-year-old Jimmy mlan the big thing that stood out at that time was the numerous shell casings that were scattered throughout the living portion of the residence there were 10 shell casings and they were all the same caliber 40 caliber but they were two different brands that puts a theory in your head was there two Shooters you know one brand in one gun on
e brand in the other or was it just one shooter with mixed rounds detectives can find no murder weapon at the scene but something else grabs their attention there was muddy Footprints coming into the fouryear area which we knew were not any of our officer prints we were able to lift those prints I truly was hoping we could identify the type of shoe and the actual size of the shoe there were no signs of fingerprints to the necked eye so we were able to swap the door knobs both interior and exteri
or on the front door for the presence of DNA an exhaustive search of the house yields no sign of forced entry we had no signs of robbery no signs of burglary the big thing to me was all the doors were locked to some fashion meaning someone locked the door on their way out upon leaving the scene that told me that most likely our suspect had a key to the residence so once we realized that somebody had let themselves in we're like well who's got access to these Keys did Jimmy know the person who di
d this detect actives also attempt to discover the approximate time the murder happened we were able to find out there was a shots fired call that came in our dispatch around 8:50 p.m. 2 days before we we found the body so started making sense real quick though that that's probably when this happened as police continue their investigation at the scene Jimmy's sister Easter arrives to this day that is the absolute worst day of my life it's a day I came around the corner and saw yellow tape around
my baby brother's house who I love so dearly the police asked me ma'am do you know who lives here I said my brother is my brother where's my brother officers confirm Easter's worst fears and tell her that her brother has been killed I just started screaming just started just howling detectives ask Easter and Jimmy's mother Jamel to come downtown through her tears Easter tells detectives how young Jimmy grew up to be such a beloved [Music] figure we grew up in eastern Arkansas Jimmy is the fourt
h of eight kids he was intelligent precocious very athletic from a young age Jimmy mlan had a passion for basketball Jimmy walked tall slender like a greyhound it's real tight muscle flexible agile his nickname was fulltime because he never played half speed he always played full speed and that's how he took life Jimmy had played basketball with Scotty Pippen Jimmy considered Scotty Pippen a friend and I think it likewise after s years of professional basketball Jimmy took up coaching Jimmy love
d teaching and mentoring he just was a natural leader with youth Jimmy had found his calling but one part of his life remained unfulfilled the thing that he talked to me the most about was his desire to be married in the late 1990s Jimmy met the part partner he'd always dreamed of her name was Carla he was very happy very excited he took his relationship very seriously the next summer they got married Jimmy also became a father to Carla's two children from a previous relationship 16-year-old Tif
fany and 11-year-old Dwayne he never had children so he was looking forward to being a father they all looked up to him as a mentor and as a father and he spent a lot of time trying to be sure that they were on a good path he talked to me a lot about the things he was going to do with Dwayne and Tiffany and he especially wanted to involve Dwayne in summer basketball camps and so forth he was very serious about being a good husband and a good father together with Carla Jimmy raised Dwayne and Tif
fany as his own but after eight years of marriage crack started to show in their relationship Carla wanted the divorce at first I do believe that the problems were related to something that occurred early on in their relationship initially Jimmy had resisted the idea I overheard Jimmy telling her that it doesn't make sense for us to be separated there's nothing wrong we're not having problems but eventually Carla and Jimmy split up and after 4 years of separation Jimmy finally agreed to make it
official I don't think I really got the full story about exactly what changed his mind and his heart toward her but he just file for divorce a couple weeks before he was killed detectives are suspicious was the timing just a coincidence or did Jimmy's looming divorce have something to do with his murder we immediately thought we need to talk to Carla had Jimmy and Carla been in some sort of argument or confrontation coming up detectives unearth disturbing Clues there had been a scandal at the hi
gh school why are these were numbers erased during the same time period of homicide and the truth blindsides everyone we had found the needle in the Hast act they admitted to killing a basketball [Music] coach police have just learned that Jimmy mlan filed for divorce 2 weeks before he was killed and now detectives need to know if animosity between Jimmy and his soon to be ex-wife Carla could have been a motive for murder we had asked you know Carla and Tiffany and Dwayne her biological children
to come down town Dwayne and Tiffany wait in the next room while police talked to Carla starting with her relationship with Jimmy she says look we we were going through a divorce but it wasn't because he was doing anything bad she said that we fell out of love Carla tell police that when she and Jimmy were married in 2001 Jimmy treated her kids Dwayne and Tiffany like they were his own but as they grew into their late teens Carla and Jimmy's parenting style started to clash Carla did advise tha
t Jimmy was really hard on her kids Jimmy was very discipline oriented and she always took the side of the kids in her eyes they could do nothing wrong she wasn't going to let Jimmy over discipline and some of the issues is what transformed into this growing away from each other detectives ask Carla directly if she stands to gain from Jimmy's death she did advise that she had a life insurance policy through her work where Jimmy was on the policy and she would have been the beneficiary was the li
fe insurance payout a motive for Carla to kill [Music] Jimmy knowing evidence from the crime scene suggests the killer let themselves in detectives need to find out if Carla still had access to Jimmy's home we actually did ask Carla if she had a key to the house and she did not have a key that she could remember undeterred they asked where Carla was on the night of the murder she didn't go out and do anything she saids it was raining that night it was nasty weather she actually went to her bedro
om and read a book we asked if anybody could verify that she said well my son Dwayne because he was at home as well to confirm Carla Alibi police bring in Dwayne and Tiffany who are waiting in the next room when we saw Dwayne he's 19-year-old you know kid Dwayne gave statement advising to us that you know when his mom came home that he just sat and chilled at the house he didn't have a cell phone so he would use his mom's his mom said that she was down in his bedroom he said he was up in his bed
room and they need to see each other the rest of the night Dwayne's account lines up with Carlos but detectives are curious about whether Dwayne had any conflicts with Jimmy tell me about Jimmy how was y''s relationship it was cool but you know bumped head a little bit sometimes he was straight up there he was cool fun loving person Dwayne just was like I can't believe this happened I don't know who would have done this police turned their attention to his sister Tiffany and right away sent some
tension when we interviewed Tiffany she admitted her and Jimmy buted heads on things and she actually moved out she didn't like being parented by him did detectives asked where she was at the time of the murder and fact she was at home with her boyfriend during the time frame all that Wednesday evening so at the time we got through interviewing uh Carla Tiffany and Dwayne it was not anything to lead us to believe that they had any involvement with the death of Jimmy to help confirm their Alibis
detectives ask for Carla and Tiffany's cell phones we were going to use used the uh technology of the cell phone pinging to cooperate where they were the night at the murder while they wait for those results detectives canvased Jimmy's friends and colleagues to find out who else might have had a key to his house early on in the investigation we had to look at at everything with Jimmy being a high school teacher with Jimmy being a basketball coach there was multiple people that could have done t
his we had to start going back to who knew Jimmy and the first thing we did was work we spoke with all the teachers all the teachers like Jimmy other coaches like Jimmy the principal like Jimmy detectives can find no one with a key or even a bad word to say about Jimmy he was the kindest gentlest most compassionate person that I know but for somebody to snatch your loved one from you out of their own selfish reasons it's a it's it really is heartbreaking and it makes you mad 3 days into the inve
stigation detectives received Jimmy's cell phone back from forensics and discover that he was texting shortly before he was killed he was texting with a female subject and they were back and forth talking about some directions and basically good night the last text we identified as a subject Nam ham Smith the name is new to police but when they compare the time of her last text with the report of gunshots on the night of the murder they realized they were just minutes apart with this new lead Pa
m Smith becomes detective's newest suspect who is she and was she involved in Jimmy's murder when you read the text messages between her and and Jimmy the lingering question had to be was there some sort of you know romantic thing gone a ride detectives have just discovered that Jimmy mlan was texting with a woman named Pam Smith on the night he was murdered we were able to determine that Pam was the last person that Jimmy had contacted investigators need to speak to Pam to see if she has any in
formation that points to the killer we called just to say this is the Sheriff's Office do you know Jimmy and she was like yeah that's my boyfriend detectives informed Pam of Jimmy's murder and carefully gauge her response she was extremely distraught she was like do I need to come down there mared what do I need to do we still had to figure out who she was is she married is there an a fair situation is this a boyfriend girlfriend situation Pam tells detectives that she and Jimmy had only been da
ting for 6 months we were able to sort of dig into the relationship between Pam and Jimmy what seemed like healthy relationship Pamela claims she was 3 hours away in Nashville at the time of the murder and she's more than happy to turn over her phone so police can verify her statement after talking to her I mean there was nothing that she gave any kind of Suspicion or anything detectives have one more question for Pamela we actually did ask Pam if she had a key to the house and she advised that
she did not have a key but she says she knows who does Pam had overheard a phone call Jimmy was telling his wife Carla that she could come by the house while he was gone to pick up some mail that had come to the house for her Pam took note that when they left the house Jimmy didn't leave the mail in the mailbox or on the front door but he left it inside the house which told Pam that Carla had a key to the house police believed the killer had a key but Carla told detectives she didn't have one th
e descrip reany raises a red flag is it possible that Carla had a key to the house how can we prove that she didn't come into the house the night of the murder there's only one way to know for sure we use the uh technology of the cell phone pinging to follow her from her work all the way to home the cell phone data indicates Carla was home all night and her daughter Tiffany was too everybody's statements made sense where they were there was no reason to pursue any other questions with them or Pa
m at that moment before Carla and Tiffany can be completely ruled out police must cooperate the calls and texts on their phones with the complete records from the cell companies and those can take several days depending on the circumstance a week after the murder Jimmy's loved ones pay their respects at his [Music] funeral Jimmy's funeral was held at a local Church of Christ probably a couple thousand people there Jimmy touched a lot of people going to Jimmy's funeral was a tough uh process for
myself so many people loved him the mystery of who could have killed Jimmy is on everyone's mind mind and grief stricken loved ones are desperate for answers the family was very concerned but I felt that absolutely the truth would come out it was hard waiting and hoping that they get that person before is too late it's very frustrating after several days it gets worse it gets harder to solve and the family starts to lose hope in you the day after the funeral detectives receiv received the forens
ics reports there was no extra DNA under the fingernails of him to see if he got physically close enough to maybe grab the suspect or anything like that we didn't get any fingerprints that weren't supposed to be there Jimmy Prince were the only ones there the report isn't all bad news news for detectives an expert at Nike who was able to determine some muddy shoe prints in the entryway of the house most likely came from a Nike Air Force One these are basketball type shoes they're between the siz
e 10 and 11 before detectives can follow up on this new lead their investigation takes a bizarre twist there had been a scandal at the high school Ridgeway High School had a very good basketball team they were one of the top in the state we started hearing about a student at the school who had just recently gotten in some trouble detectives need to know if the Scandal is linked to Jimmy's murder staff tells them the player at the center of the storm is number 22 McKenzie suel obviously was a fai
rly good basketball player but he was also two years older than people that he was playing with he was actually an adult falsified documents to still play high school basketball because he was attempting to try to get a scholarship to play a week after Jimmy is found dead the Scandal explodes into the headlines this man used a fake transcript to enroll here at Ridgeway High and our sources tell us the man has a GED but en red here simply so he could play basketball a humiliated McKenzie is kicke
d off the team and out of Ridgeway High the dream of the NBA is over the coaches were like oh my goodness you know cuz the whole school gets punished for it you know they get this qualified for being able to play the Scandal raises a key question for detectives had Jimmy discovered the truth about McKenzie and being silenced before he could report him to authorities did Jimmy initiate this whole situation cuz we knew Jimmy was an ethical individual if McKenzie thought Jimmy had anything to do wi
th this then this could be a reason why Jimmy was murdered police are eager to talk to McKenzie but that's not going to happen he immediately lawyered up he didn't want to talk about anything detectives try a different approach they go to speak with the person who register Ed him at Ridgeway High his mother Shandra Nicole what she tells them is more bizarre than they could have imagined what we found out is that that was his wife detectives hunting the killer of high school basketball coach Jimm
y mlan are investigating whether a scandal involved involving one of his players is linked to his death now they discovered that the player's mother is actually his [Music] wife she admits to helping McKenzie falsify his age but says it wasn't Jimmy who had discovered the deception she had actually called in to say that he was falsifying records that he wasn't supposed to be in a school because they had gotten into an argument while enjoying his second goar around in High School McKenzie began a
relationship with a fellow student when his wife caught wind of it she told the school about McKenzie scam it was a domestic situation between him and the wife really didn't have anything to do with Jimmy didn't follow Jimmy at all once again a promising lead evaporates Into Thin Air and over a week into the investigation police are starting over it was back to square one again I was starting to question myself and wonder like are we going to get anywhere with this thing I was starting to be co
ncerned I wanted to know when people were going to be charged just as investigators begin to fear the trail growing cold they received the complete cell phone records for Jimmy's ex-wife Carla and her daughter Tiffany we had ordered direct cell phone records to cooporate the ex exact records that we had initially dumped you're talking hundreds even thousands of records at times to look through to see if you can find where there's a discrepancy in something after days of hard work police get the
break they've been praying for everybody else's phones were making sense but Carla's phone did not make sense we noticed there were actually people being text between six and n two different phone numbers and that was the time frame of the homicide those texts were conveniently erased off Carla's phone so that automatically piqued interest so we were trying to identify the two phone numbers that were deleted and we identified one of them as a uh as a subject named Robert and then another subject
named Heather we looked up Robert real quick and found out Robert was a convicted felon for dope dealing but why are these numbers erased the night at the murder at that point I felt it necessary to call Carla back in and talk to her again and then further identify maybe Heather and Robert since we had names on them when detectives press Carla about the texts she tells them they belong to her son and Jimmy's former stepson Dwayne detectives already know that Dwayne uses his mom's phone since he
doesn't own one of his own Carla said that Heather was a girlfriend she say oh she's a good girl she's a she's a girl that lives out in Cordova not too far Carla said wasn't too fond of Robert but she did admit he and Dwayne he were friends he says I don't really like him hanging out with Robert too much you know he's a troublemaker knowing that Dwayne was texting with a known felon during the time frame of Jimmy's murder is a red flag for Detectives so they asked Dwayne to join his mom down at
the station the way we approached Dwayne was like hey we just we're having to kind of start over and get a more detailed events of the night and he advised when his mom got home he had the phone he spoke with one of his friends and then Heather came over when detectives finished with Carla and Dwayne they quickly contact Heather to see if she can confirm Dwayne's story she said I went to Dwayne's house that evening later that evening so she has confirmed that she went over there it seems like i
t's another dead end yet when detectives follow up with a question about the basketball shoe print found at the crime scene the interview takes a promising turn we asked about the shoes and she said oh Dwayne has these Air Force Ones and he wears a size 10 and 1/2 which fit the crime scene and at that point she said and I remember seeing those Air Force Ones out on the porch but I hadn't seen them since then she said I even have a picture of them and when she showed a picture it was a picture of
Dwayne staying in the kitchen with a AR-15 rifle and these Air Force Ones police quickly get a search warrant for Carla's home searching the closets and everything else said there's no air force ones in there there's no shoes that match the homicide took pictures of his room and we at we left we didn't come out at that house with anything so far linking Dwayne to the crime has not proven fruitful but detectives have another strategy we know for a fact that there was text messages between Robert
and Dwayne during the homicide we feel that those text could be very important since he erased them off his phone we couldn't get them so my goal was to get a search one for Robert's phone hoping that the text messages were still on his phone visible where we could see him while police wait for a warrant to be approved officers keep an eye on Robert I arrived and within a few hours of setting up surveillance Robert Collins came out of his house at that point our detectives went to talk to him a
nd Robert took off [Music] running [Music] detectives investigating the murder of Jimmy mlan believe texts on the phone of convicted felon Robert Collins Mayo to the killer Robert took off running he ran a good ways but we needed to catch him we didn't want him to destroy his phone or anything like that as Robert Collins was running away from the scene he tossed something our detectives ended up catching him on foot and when they did he had a large amount of Narcotics the illegal drugs give dete
ctives reason to arrest Robert but even more incriminating is what he tried to discard as he fled when we saw that he had tossed a weapon we immediately thought maybe that was the weapon that was involved so in the back of my head I'm thinking oh this is fantastic are we going to solve the homicide right now you get excited like Hey we're there we're going to get this police bring Robert down to the station but before they question him they carefully examine his gun and phone I think it was very
quickly determined it wasn't the weapon from the scene still detectives have plenty of Leverage on Robert he's a felon convicted with a handgun now he's got another handgun on him and a large amount of drugs this could easily go Federal maybe that could help us out maybe he'd want to work something out he wouldn't budge on anything I don't want to talk to y'all basically he said just put me in the jail so I'll go do my time you just don't get that that's just not normal is Robert trying to prot
ect his buddy Dwayne or just himself if he won't give anything up detectives hope his cell phone might I was hoping that text messages were still on his phone started going through it well Robert had erase his text too but what Robert didn't erase were some pictures that we were able to get the day before the homicide Robert on his phone had a picture of a handgun it is a similar gun a 40 caliber Smith and Weston Sigma the same caliber used what was unique about the handgun was not the handgun i
tself but where the handgun was laying and it was laying on a very unique bed spread when I saw the bed spread I was like I've seen that bed spread before go get the search warrant pictures from when we picked Dwayne up well as we scrolled through more pictures we finally found a deleted picture that had Dwayne in front of the bed spread so it tied it all in with the gun in the picture police now know the gun likely belonged to Dwayne or someone in his inner circle but who used it to gun Jimmy D
own In Cold Blood detectives hope to find out from Robert himself so when we put Robert in jail we were hoping Robert would say something on the phone the first phone call that Robert made was to a young guy first thing that Robert said to the guy was hey man that Pitbull it's real sick and the guy kind of like I don't think he caught what he was saying he oh yeah just laughing I got you I got you and Robert could you could see was very frust like no man I'm not kidding you need to get rid of th
at pit bull it's sick Bro it and sold it to you we did have indication that Pitbull was most likely the gun and real real sick put it in street terms means it has a body on it detectives Trac the owner of the phone Robert called it was kid named Jarius that lived in the Cordova area we believe that Jarius Cooper had in his possession def firearm that was used in the killing of Jimmy McLean police get an emergency search warrant and race over to J marius's home before he can dispose of the gun wh
en we got Jarius Cooper's bedroom we systematically started going through places that things could be hidden we were going through it and we weren't find anything we weren't find anything and then one of my DET Texas I mean probably into the 30th box or so he's like I got something and I was like do what what when when I saw that gun I immediately felt like we had found the needle in the hay stack we had known through this investigation that most likely we're looking for a very specific gun that
is the same style gun that we're looking for same caliber most likely the same brand the same model at that moment I was like Jimmy's here he's guiding us he's telling us it's all here he's not making it easy he's he's making this puzzle but it's slowly coming together so immediately took the gun and had TBI process it within an couple hours they were calling us back on hey this is the gun that was used in the homicide of Jimmy mlan that does bring some emotion to you you're like oh my gosh thi
s work this time and we're going into 30 days here I mean this is nobody finds a gun using homicide in 30 days police need to talk to jius but before they can track him down they get an alarming call we have a call from Cumberland County Sheriff's Office and the deputy there said Hey listen we just had something weird come in a white female came running into our station she was very distraught she was in her pajamas and that she said that uh she wanted to pass on some information that her husban
d was upset because his nephew had admitted to killing a basketball coach detectives investigating the murder of Jimmy mlan have just received an unexpected call from a sheriff's office 5 hours away and the deputy there said a white female came running into our station her husband was upset because his nephew had admitted to killing a basketball coach her husband was Carla's brother which was Dwayne's Uncle detectives are stunned Dwayne's uncle is Donald pige a known felon detectives bring him i
n knowing they may only have one shot to get him to talk he was very I'm not talking to Y I ain't got nothing to say police remind him of one simple fact if he's withholding information that makes him an accessory to murder and all of a sudden he said look my nephew said he did it Dwayne had in fact taken him aside and said Uncle on had to handle my business and Donald said he looked at him and said are you saying that you killed him Dwayne said to him I had to stand up for my mom Dwayne he love
d his mom they were having some Financial issues and Dwayne thought that if this divorce could just be done with I could get the money from the house and I think Dwayne took it upon himself to do whatever he wanted to do and which unfortunately led to the homicide there was tension between Jimmy and Dwayne already so there was that divorce money Financial implication uh motive with an accessory charge hanging over his head Donald agrees to testify against his nephew at that point I called the pr
osecutor and told him what we had and he said I think it's time to go lock up D Mo for homicide on March 26th 2013 Dwayne Moore is charged with the murder of his own stepfather telling you he just had no remorse no confessions he just didn't have any care in the world whatsoever when I heard Dwayne had been charged with Jimmy's murder I felt a lot of relief I was shocked to know that someone that he had influence this long in this young man's life that would take his life I went deep to my core
as far as emotionally this was unbelievable because of who Jimmy was 14 months later Dwayne Moore stands before the Memphis judge and jury the prosecution lays out what they believe happened the night of the [Music] murder Dwayne had it in his head that he was going over there to kill him he knew that there was a key to the house that Carla might have forgot about I think he waited until he saw Jimmy pull in let himself in that front [Music] door pulled the gun out as soon as he saw Jimmy and st
arted shooting I think he did it in about 5 minutes at the most I think he just went in there and started blasting away to try to imagine what Jimmy must have gone through in the final moments that he was living is extremely painful the awful Terror he must have felt knowing that his life was about to end on June 27th 2014 Dwayne Moore is convicted and sentenced to 22 years in prison without the possibility of parole it hurts it hurts that somebody thought so little of my family that they could
take somebody so precious to [Music] us while Jimmy's family still misses him every day his love for educating young people lives [Music] on to honor Jimmy's memory we established a scholarship in his name at the University of Arkansas at way I think Jimmy would want to be remembered by being a Godly Man a kind man and a peaceful [Music] man that's what helps me to to try to let the anger go don't be mad just just thank God that he was here and that he was my brother for as long as he was I miss
him and I love him for more information on unexpected killer go to oxygen.com [Music] a vibrant young woman making a fresh start in life my sister had a great sense of of humor she was just full of life and ideas and and fun she had a new graphic design job a new relationship a new place to live she was looking to a new future is mercilessly slaughtered in her home the person slit her throat it was a shocking murder whomever the attacker was was extremely Disturbed you just can't register it sh
e didn't have any enemies everyone loved her investigators Tracked Down multiple suspects there was a creepy guy just watching her there was a note that said saw our signs of life then police discover an enemy in Disguise they were using other individuals to try to throw us off it was a bombshell detectives unmask a killer no one could have imagined and I said what it didn't make any sense to me I was in complete shock [Music] Golfport Florida is an idilic Community complete with sun sand and se
aside charm gulport is kind of a classic uh southern town it's kind of an Arty Community now gulport has a beautiful beach and people are very friendly I never felt unsafe living there on May 24th 1984 gulfport's laid-back lifestyle is shattered when a disturbing Discovery is made a woman was checking on her neighbor and when she didn't answer the door she viewed inside one of the windows and saw a body laying in a pole of blood and that's when she called 911 homicide detectives are sent to the
address in Waterview Park entering into the uh the residence I noticed broken glass and I saw the victim's body there was a copious amount of blood pooling around her head she looked like she had been hit with a blunt object there were several stab wounds up and around her neck area like it was a attack of Rage the victim was partially clothed in a black teddy over a white T-shirt it was kind of unusual for someone to wear a Teddy on top of their t-shirt it was done snapped at the crotch and so
I had suspicions that she was sexually assaulted even though the area was so gory she had no blood on the soles of her feet and that was important because you could see bloody Footprints and it appeared to be a Barefoot as well we surmised that the perpetrator stepped in the blood after the attack was over the scene is so bloody it's not yet clear what exactly happened the body is sent for autopsy while detectives continue surveying the home there was blood on the bed blood smears on the drapes
and blood on the wind the sill possibly the attack started in the bedroom area and then uh traversed over into the living room the trail of blood indicate that she was fighting throughout I think she was able to get away from her as salent and run through the house and open the door there was some blood and hair on the door and it looks as though she was stopped drugg back in and then finished upon the examination of the residents we couldn't find any type of weapon the crime scene was indicativ
e of a very involved struggle yet there was nothing knocked over or in disarray in the house now it's possible that could actually happen that way but it's also possible Somebody went back in and cleaned it up police speak with the woman who found the body she tells them the victim is her neighbor Karen Gregory she said the victim's boyfriend David was at a conference in Providence Rhode Island David had not heard from Karen and so he called and asked if she would check to see if Karen was [Musi
c] okay born in Albany New York in 1948 36-year-old Karen Gregory was a loving and kind free spirit she was the center of attraction at any Gathering and people just loved her Karen had a a great sense of humor she was a really good artist had a great eye she was a smart woman and very clever and witty and talented Karen loved to seek out new places and was always up for an adventure she traveled a lot she would go to Jamaica and explore and I think her ultimate goal was to go to Jamaica and tea
ch art before Karen can make her dream move a chance meeting in Florida Chang her plans and then she met David David was an interesting character uh and probably a match for my sister's wit he was very clever very intelligent David was a therapist for PTSD Vietnam vets and they were just a really good match for each other they were probably almost a year into the relationship where she had been visiting enough and staying there enough that it was time for her to move in with him this was a new b
eginning she had a new graphic design design job a new relationship a new place to live and I think she was looking to a new future she had just moved in with David the day she was killed who would take away Karen's life in such a horrific Manner and why detectives hope clues of the scene will Point them to the killer well we found the Village Voice publication from Providence that struck us as really strange because David was supposed to be up there and at the time that newspaper actually was d
ated the day that Karen could have been murdered was David really in Providence or had he returned before detectives can contact David to question him they find another lead outside a note was placed on the car the context of the note itself was uh was quite telling it says came by I have something for you but there was no sign of life rather brief note but obviously the no sign of Life Would you know send up a red flag the note is signed by someone named Peter but there's no other information s
o police have no way to track him down officers collect the note as evidence as Karen's family is notified of her death the day I got the call was just a beautiful warm day this isn't the kind of day that these things happen on they had found my sister murdered and I said what it didn't make any sense to me and my mind just went through all of these situations to make that call impossible and everything will be okay police asked Karen's brother Roy about her relationship with David Karen's broth
er indicated that that there was a little conflict between Karen and David in that Karen may have had an interest in another individual in Jamaica she met a guy and then she'd stay longer and longer on these trips I think she was kind of torn maybe between both both realities and both Futures we also found out that Karen and David had broken up for a length of time before her death it wasn't some huge breakup and she was still moving in so we assumed everything was going to be worked out but the
weekend she was moving in as the weekend she was killed the murder was at David's house and I knew there was a riff there so I think that added to maybe well you know you just never know could he have flown out to Providence and rebooked a flight back to Golfport committed the homicide and then jump back on a plane we have to track down David we felt that something was there there behind the scenes and we needed to find out about it coming up investigators discover a series of suspicious men in
Karen's Circle he had been physically abusive to his first wife he made Karen feel very uncomfortable and scramble to separate friend from foe here we are building on a story really raise red flags for us he's either protecting somebody or he just flat out lying until finally The Awful Truth is revealed it makes me sick to my stomach no one would have ever thought that this person murdered this [Music] woman a day after 36-year-old Karen Gregory was brutally murdered in her home police in Gulfp
ort Florida suspect her boyfriend David Mackey could have killed her and they need to track him down detectives found out that David was in Albany and that he had flew there to be with the family for the waking funeral of Karen David Macky seemed to be concerned about Karen and he wanted to know what was going on we weren't going to give David the investigative uh information that we had he said that he wasn't going to be back in Florida for another 2 weeks David promises to come down to the sta
tion when he is back in town in the interim investigators sent officers to Canvas Karen Street many of the neighbors heard a scream that night many got up and looked outside their windows and saw nothing they didn't know exactly where it came from was it kids in a car I mean you know they didn't really know time of the scream uh was around 1:00 in the morning there's some thought the time of death was during the scream she wasn't discovered until midday the day after that the head of the neighbo
rhood watch is one of Karen's closest neighbors and a familiar face detectives can rely on George Lewis was a Gulfport firefighter had grown up in Gulfport all the police officers know him George and his wife Linda were very good friends with detective Larry tossi well having somebody uh like George uh to depend on was very very comforting and that if something was going on in the neighborhood he just was that guy neighborhood watch guy George said that he was working in his garage which was acr
oss the street from the murder scene uh he said he heard a faint scream he had the radio up loud he even went out in the street didn't see anything but George did see something the day before Karen's body was found George Lewis described seeing this guy pull up in his car and walk up to the the door and then write a note and put it on the windshield of one of the cars did George C Peter the man who wrote that note he didn't know Peter cut was certainly something that the police wanted to look in
to because that was the only person they're aware of that went to the house during that time frame the next day as police are figuring out how to track down Peter they catch a lucky break in order to release the remains of the body Ken's old's roommate was asked to identify the victim and at that time she brought another person with her and he identified himself it was Peter cumle investigators bring Peter in to answer some questions I noticed the scratch on his hand thinking you know maybe it w
as done by by Karen he noticed me looking at it so he moved his hand they asked him about that and he said that his dog did it Peter confirms to detectives he is the one who left the note for Karen and says he was at the house around 730 p.m. he had been invited to dinner by Karen they'd known each other for maybe a year they were both reggae music fans he was bringing back at music tape and that's what he was referring to and he said I have something of yours not having anybody respond to the k
nock on the door he just left the note and left during the interview he didn't seem very upset portraying that he was such a close friend to Karen uh it kind of struck me as being you know strange detectives ask where Peter was when Karen was murdered cell's explanation for where he was at night was he was at home he did indicate that his roommate could verify that he answered the questions and he was amable to whatever I asked him to do Peter provides police with his fingerprints and Footprints
and while they let him go detectives will keep an eye on him we weren't eliminating Peter Gumble from the [Music] investigation 3 days after the murder police received the medical examiners report Karen had dozens of stab wounds on her and it wasn't until they had cleaned her up they realized that the person slid her throat Karen was tortured the time of death was day and a half before her body was discovered the report also confirms another disturbing fact the autopsy determined that a rape wa
s involved Co examiner found Seaman but there wasn't enough to make comparison and DNA at that time was in its infancy thinking about what she went through it makes me sick to my stomach you just can't register it she didn't have any enemies everyone loved her after 2 weeks out of state Karen's boyfriend David returns to Florida and is immediately interviewed by detectives David was still very upset he said he loved her and they were getting serious with each other and that she had finally found
what she was looking for in life when detectives revealed they know he and Karen had issues David brushes it off he repeated it was all good they were in love with each other David claims the last time he saw Karen was the day he flew out of state Karen had driven David to the airport cuz he had a conference to attend in Providence skeptical detectives tell David they can place him back at the crime scene I said we found the Village Voice publication from Providence it was dated and IED a murde
r here in gulport he indicated to us he had purchased the Providence publication to check on the weather before he had left he told us it was at the news stand in Gulfport a couple days prior to the homide we have to look into that detectives asked David Point Blank if he murdered his girlfriend he became frustrated in my opinion that we'd be looking at him instead of spending time looking for the real killer he was pretty adamant in the fact that he was off doing a conference in Providence and
he hadn't gone anywhere he said I want to be as much of a help rather than a hindrance as I can he was also asked to submit foot samples which he did as well when asked who might want to kill his girlfriend David gives a name detectives recognize David informed us that he felt that Peter cble had some kind of an interest in Karen it became clear that David was trying to blame this on Peter [Music] cell police are investigating the grizzly murder of Karen Gregory her boyfriend David Mackey denies
being involved and points detectives towards Peter cell a man police have already questioned and released in David's mind he felt that cumbo was someone who had an interest in Karen like as a potential girlfriend David wasn't aware of anything about Cel being invited to dinner and and really probably had no real reason to see why cumo would come by the house while he was gone he said that cumo was an acquaintance but not a close friend they knew people in the same circles Peter Gumble was alway
s calling Karen up and that he felt he was going to try to develop a relationship with her and Karen obviously wouldn't have anything to do with it David was concerned that cble could be involved and they needed to look at him closely with nothing concrete to link David to the murder they let him go detectives now need to confirm his claim that Peter had alterior motives around Karen when police tried to bring Peter in for another interview they had a problem he had left Gulf Port right after th
is first interview he had went on vacation and the detectives found that strange that him being close to Karen Gregory that he would leave and go on vacation after her death without the evidence to compel Peter to return investigators switch gears and delve deeper into David Mackey's Alibi David had told police he had given a presentation in Providence at 9:00 a.m. on May 23rd which would have been 8 hours after Karen was killed was it possible for him to have got on a flight come down murdered
Karen and got back up to Rhode Island detective Sergeant Tosi decided to take flights in the same time I found that he could have committed the murder and get back in time and do his presentation it would have been tight but it's possible detective subpoena David's credit card information but they shown no record of David buying any additional flights David's story about the newspaper also appears to check out it was discovered that the paper actually comes out 2 days early and the gentleman whe
n remembered selling the paper to David Mackie David was telling the truth and his Alibi was solid as weeks pass without an arrest Karen's friends and family become concerned not knowing why or who or how this even happened you're left with all these questions the grief was too heavy there was just a lot of weeping for a long time just the slightest little little memory of her or thought of her I can weep right now thinking about that for such a small town it was a shocking murder I can only ima
gine what some of the women that lived alone in that Community felt when there is a killer out there and they haven't been [Music] caught a few weeks into the investigation detectives get a boost when potential suspect Peter cumle arrives back in town he looked a little bit disheveled he looked a little bit shaky as if he didn't want to be there type of a of an attitude detectives cut to the Chase and asked Peter if he killed Karen Gregory he was completely shocked humble's Alibi was he was at h
ome but with David pointing the finger at Peter detectives need to follow up he was pretty adamant in the fact that you know he he hadn't gone anywhere and the roommate could be his uh Alibi Witness anybody can say they're home and they're in bed in the middle of the night they can go out and do what they want to do that's a very shaky and unsubstantiated Alibi we didn't have much to hold him at that point so he left needing something concrete to tie Peter to the murder investigators hope his fo
otprint sample matches the one found at the scene there was a partial bloody footprint on the floor we did send it off to the Sheriff's Office and we waited quite a period of time time and then we heard back that they couldn't find any identifying ridges or swirls a big disappointment to me that our Sheriff offs couldn't make a match detectives refuse to give up the photograph of the bloody footprint looks mostly like a smear so it was sent to Washington for the FBI to look at which was not unco
mmon practice especially if you had uh something that might be difficult for a local person to do the analysis won't be fast so investigators go back through everything collected at the scene and find a potential piece of evidence there was a schematic drawing of a clock that appeared to have a blood stain on it did the murderer bring that with him and leave that there forgetting about it did he get blood on it while this happened so it looked like a pretty good clue they needed to follow up on
they were able to determine that these were schematics that have been drawn by Steven fisler who was someone that Karen worked with detectives send the blood on the drawing in for testing and when they look into Steven Fishler they discover something troubling we found out from female workers that they felt uncomfortable around him and he showed the girls pornography and they took offense they indicated they were afraid of him according to one friend Steven Fishler made Karen feel very uncomfort
able many times he made unwanted advances at one time he gave her a provocative novel that he was writing Fisher as far as the way he behaved in the office around women he was a suspect we decided that we needed to have an extensive interview with Steven Fishler Steven Fishler had kind of a defensive attitude he was Curt he said that they didn't really know each other he and Karen had seen each other at work but she had even working in a short period of time when Steven was questioned about the
schematic he had no explanation for how it got into her house other than she probably took it home with her detectives Grill Steven about his reputation among his co-workers and he became angry he says I had no idea we ask him if we' take a polygraph test he agreed to do that Steven didn't really want to answer the questions he was extremely frustrated just when investigators think they won't get anything out of him Steven says something truly shocking during the polygraph he flirted out okay I
did it everybody thought the heck this guy is [Music] confessing two months after Karen Gregory is viciously slaughtered in her home her cooworker Steven Fishler has just confessed to police it was unexpected was he really telling the truth police immediately begin to press Steven for details behind his confession we determined that after talking with Steven that he blurted out okay I did it just out of frustration he was angry because he was being accused of this murder and that was was just hi
s personality and his temperament Steven retracts his confession and proceeds with the polygraph he passed the polygraph it showed no deception indicated the result was totally unexpected to us it basically cleared Fishler but Steven's not off the suspect list just yet he refuses to provide a footprint sample so police must wait for the results from the schematic drawing to see if any foreign blood is detected in this case the blood was clearly all her blood and it wasn't Steven fisler there was
a lot of frustration they kind of hit a dead end running out of suspects investigators switch up their approach and put together a behavioral analysis profile of the killer you're trying to look at you know what causes people to do what they might do it wasn't your general who done it whomever the attacker was was uh extremely Disturbed he was a type of individual that had various fantasies sexual fantasies which drove him to commit the murder of Karen Gregory maybe this was a serial killer whi
ch kind of fits into that whole psychological pattern to some degree was probably the most difficult case that I had to to deal with five months down the road from the homicide I just couldn't let the case go couldn't put it on the shelf for Karen's family coping with the reality that her killer may never be found is overwhelming we kind of thought like you know they're never going to solve this which was just alarming to us and that's another whole kind of pain there was a nightmare she was a s
weet wonderful young woman and the killer was a brute you know who tortured her finally a break comes in December 5 months after the murder when detectives make a discovery that revitalizes the case Tosi was talking to a person who lived a few blocks away from Karen and that person told him they had heard the screen she described it as just a whale and that it was very disturbing Tosi was like he didn't realize it was really that loud that actually over two or three blocks people heard this this
new information is in direct conflict with the statements of the neighborhood watch head and she's several blocks away and she hears a scream and George is right across the street how come he didn't hear more than what he said was a faint scream it didn't make any sense so we fig fig we better have another talk with George which we did detective Tosi he looked at George as a helper to the police case George was a firefighter the neighborhood watch guy that was actively out there when we went ov
er his story he indicated that he had heard the scream that he walked to the edge of his driveway looked around and didn't see anything now George adds a new new detail to his account now he sees somebody on the lawn under the Big Oak Tree the story was quite a surprise why didn't he report it why didn't he call he didn't really know what to say I think in many ways he was he sounded nervous George describes the person he saw the night of the murder he said he was like 64 and had red Sandy hair
was a big strongl looking guy it was certainly something that the police wanted to look into armed with the new information detectives try to track down this mysterious man and in doing extensive neighborhood interviews it was related to us there may be a peeping Tom in in the area that fit we thought well we may have something to go on here I interviewed one person and she said that she had a Peeping Tom at her window and when she noticed him he took off could the Peeping Tom be the killer poli
ce have been looking for investigators showed George pictures of possible Prowlers he couldn't identify any so the mystery man in the lawn remained unidentified so there's some thought that he might have been watching that house and watching her and knew that she was alone that night knew David was out of town I felt terrified especially at night I kept my doors locked I didn't want to end up like her detectives find another woman in the neighborhood who recently saw the prowler there was a cree
py guy just watching her for some unknown reason she caught him peeping in the window and he took off the woman recognized the man when she tells police his name they're stunned it was a big surprise [Music] detectives hunting for Karen Gregory's killer learn there's a Prowler stalking the women of Gulfport Florida could the offender be one and the same when a victim of the Voyer comes forward with a name investigators are shocked it's the neighbor George Lewis was totally totally unexpected to
us detectives bring George in for a third time and ask him about the woman's claims he admitted he was outside the house and he had some explanation for why he was there he was a neighborhood watch guy and always looking out for people he said he heard the noise or something they thought you know is it possible gets the killer he was given the opportunity to take a polygraph test which he did Detective start by asking about the prowler listening to the holograph tape and how George Lewis describ
ed the man I really believed him investigators also ask him about the night of the murder did you kill Karen Gregory George said no the polygraph results tell a different story the results were disastrous he failed it [Music] miserably after he failed it he had something else to say about inited the murder George admits he hasn't been completely honest and tells police that's why he didn't pass the polygraph George Lewis indicated to us the individual that he saw on the lawn left Karen's house i
tself he saw George and had approached him and threatened him the person walks out and tells him if you say you saw me here I'll come back and kill you so that's the reason he wasn't forthcoming he was afraid of him George Lewis went from just hearing a scream at the edge of his driveway to indicating that he saw the perpetrator and then his next story George said this guy threatened him we were very concerned about that because here we are building on a story so it really raised red flags for u
s we felt that you know with the abundance of different issues and stories he was telling he was using other individuals to try to throw us off we had asked him to do a composite sketch of the individual that he saw after the sketch was done we both looked at each other and said this really can't be happening we both came to the conclusion it was George when he was younger I think he thought the police had a witness who saw somebody in Karen's yard so he was making this description of the person
who scared him get closer and closer to looking like him is he a protecting somebody that he knows which is flat out Ling we have to look at George A Little Closer investigators collect his foot and fingerprints but with little hard evidence to hold him George is released detectives take a deep dive into George's past and make some disturbing discoveries he had been physically abusive to his first wife according to her there were times when he had been violent with her he had choked her the cri
me itself shows some pretty deep-seated violence towards women and I think there was aspects in in his background where you could see that George had gotten into a swinger club that was a part of George I never really saw you know or never knew he's never said anything like that to me so that was kind of surprising but things were building up with him and and his behavior it appears George developed a troubling fascination with Karen before she had even moved in one George's friends told me that
uh Karen was visiting over at David's house Karen had come out in a bikini and he made some comment about like have an orgy with her got aroused he had gotten into sexual perversions if you will I think there was indications that he was you know a peeper of some sort still looking for hard proof detectives asked George's wife about the night of the Murder She was woke awoken by The Scream After just a few minutes George came men from the garage the killer would have been covered in blood but Ge
orge wasn't when you sit back and you look at you these things because you say to yourself oh well maybe he really didn't do it maybe his story makes sense or maybe he's covering up for somebody that did do it you know what I mean and so now it's you know where do we go from here at that time we didn't have you know DNA the only thing that could tie itself into the case was the footprints detectives are still waiting for those results it was getting extremely extremely frustrating for the team a
nd then the months just went by you know nothing nothing [Music] happened it seemed like it was just going to be a cold case and it's like well what are we supposed to do with that you know you can't just stop here but they didn't have leads they didn't know where to go with it this is about my sister being butchered to death we were not going arrest till they found who the killer [Music] was in March 1986 almost 2 years after Karen's murder the FBI finally finished their analysis on the bloody
footprint at the crime scene the day that the data came back from the FBI everybody was elated it showed the ridges on the heel from the Barefoot and they can be identified compare one to someone else detectives have renewed hope the Killer is within their reach we must have sent 20 sets of footprints and they got a result on that relatively quick which changed the whole case a definite match no one in gulport would have ever thought that this person murdered this woman [Music] nearly 2 years si
nce the brutal slaying of Karen Gregory detectives have just received a report back on the bloody footprint found at the crime scene the footprint was sent to the FBI we're waiting specifically on just that result there was a definite match of a footprint of George Lewis to the Inked footprint that we had sent up there to the FBI lab it was shocking it was very hard for me to believe that George Lewis murdered Karen Gregory he was the head of the crime watch he was a firefighter I was in complet
e shock although no one could believe George was a coldblooded killer the evidence doesn't lie Footprints with their ridges and their swirls are similar to fingerprints if you have enough of those p patterns to present to a match then they're just as good I didn't want to believe it and I had to face that the trusted George he was toying with me he certainly wasn't the person that I thought he was the detective knows he has to ask his old friend some tough questions we asked him to commence to t
he station and that's when we confronted him with the footprint that's when when he said I crawled in the window it was a bombshell now here is a whole new story where he's absolutely in the house he indicated that he had heard the scream he had gone through the bedroom window to try to assist Karen he said that he saw her laying there with her throat cut open only the killer would have known that her throat was cut he said he had stepped in the blood to assist her or help her and then he had ex
ited out through the bedroom window his explanations didn't make sense if you assume that his story is true that he was threatened by this person on in the yard and was too scared to do anything about it then why would he go into the house why didn't he call police at that time his story is BS but the nail in the coffin of course was the footprint investigators also talked to George's wife again and they learned he would have had time to clean up after the crime his wife had been very defensive
of him and she changed the story George was gone for the longest time she said 20 minutes or more we don't have to prove motive we felt we had enough probable cause in to make an arrest I had mix feelings I was sorry it was George and but yet I I was a little upset that he just let us on nearly 2 years after Karen's brutal murder on March 15th 1986 George is charged with first-degree murder and sexual battery it was a huge relief that they had finally found someone but it was a shock you know ju
st a shock and still no reason why would a neighbor do this I think in looking at him it was pretty clear that he had a uh fairly misogynistic view towards women he thought she might be an easy Mark or an easy target at trial investigators put forward their theory about how the murder unfolded George Lewis would have gone over knowing that David was out of town he came in the house knifed and ready to ready to do it and was living out of fantasy the teddy had been put on her against her will she
knew that the only way to get away was fight to get out of that residence she was pushed and hit her head against the jealousy Windows that's when she screamed after that it got really violent the rape was involved Lewis knew then that he had only one way to go with this and as a result he ends up stabbing Karen 21 times George Lewis maintains his innocence but a jury convicts him and he is sentenced to life without the possibility of parole no one ever really wants to believe that someone that
is there to protect and to serve could do something so horrible this was really unex expected that he was the killer that didn't seem like who I would expect a firefighter to be and certainly not the neighborhood watch guy although maybe he was watching for opportunities I was relieved we could actually get Justice for Karen and all the people who loved her there was a little bit of Justice in knowing he was in jail my sister probably would have forgiven him that's the kind of person she was it
's funny sitting here now she was alive for as many years as she's now been gone she never lived you know we never got to know who she'd be as an old lady she was just full of life and ideas and and fun and humor I have her ring on right now that she made for Me Karen and I were really close and I'll always miss that and I'll just never forget her e for e for for
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