This fight scene from Atomic Blonde needs no music. Or does it?
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- [Narrator] This video is
brought to you by Music Vine. Get 50% off by clicking the exclusive link in the video description. (gun cocking) So let's look at music in film, or better yet, let's listen. (speaking in foreign language) (gun shooting) Muisc can change the impact
of a scene dramatically. (punching and kicking) Which is why in Atomic Blonde, this 12 minute badass scene is cut without any music at all. Elisabet Rolandsdottir,
the Icelandic editor, understands that fight scenes flow just
like music. - [Elisabet] I find it easy to
edit well choreographed action. But then again I do come from dance background and I have made a lot of
short dance films in the past. So I understand the basics of choreography and action is the alpha male dance. You can dance tango or
you can dance karate. - This, by the way, is
from Steve Hullfish's excellent interview series Art of the Cut. Elisabet and director David Leach, who created an entire 80's
playlist for the rest of the film felt that thi
s scene
works best without music. (shouting and falling) But they both collaborated
on another film. (upbeat music) (gun shooting) This iconic fight scene
pulses with the music magnifying the action. (glass breaking) (speaking in foreign language) So when do you pull the trigger
on using music in a scene? (fighting) Let's find out. So here's the thing. Music Vine asked me to make a video to show off their new website design and how you can more
easily access their tracks. So I thought why not
ha
ve some fun with it. I'm going to recut this
scene from Atomic Blonde using Music Vine tracks and I'm going to follow three guidelines. Number one, it can be any
track, any music genre, because she said herself. - [Elisabet] I like to use music that isn't necessarily on
the same emotional level as what's happening in the scene. - [Narrator] Number two,
I can not change picture. I have to stick with the edit the way that Elisabet cut it. - [Elisabet] I really
believe that there's music in the edi
ting itself and if you get the editing correct you can actually put any music
on it and it's going to work. - [Narrator] So whatever
changes I will want to do is with the music to fit the picture. And number three, it has to
be better than the original. (pen scratching) I'm kidding, that's impossible. It just can't suck. I gotta try and make it work and have fun with it, so here we go. I'm going to put Atomic
Blonde into a timeline, so here's my scene right here. At some point here I
definitely
want to hear music just like in John Wick. (guns shooting) Let's take a look at some music. This is what the new website
looks like at Music Vine. It has all these different categories. Cinematic, promotional,
business and industry, indie, wedding, we can try cinematic to see what we find in here. It gives me some more key
words that might define what the style is that I'm looking for. Dark would work, high drama for sure, dramatic ending. I like these three. I'm going to start exploring those t
hree. High drama. (slow dramatic music) So I can tell this is
a nice song, but slow. So maybe I want to tell Music Vine, give me faster music. And I have some additional filters here. Energy. Let's go with intense. (intense music) Okay, I'm liking this. This is kind of Bourne Identity. (guns shooting) I'm not 100% sure this is right, but for now I'm just going
to give it a little marker. I can also create a playlist and I'm going to call
it Atomic Blonde, save. Let's listen to a couple more trac
ks before I really decide. (intense music) Ooh, I like this a lot. (slamming) (grunting) Also what I like about this track here is I can tell there are four loops here. Maybe at some point
it's a little too big, so then I can decide I just
want to use it as an underscore so it's a bit more subtle. (dramatic music) Let's move on. Going back to that question, when should you use music in a scene? I asked Dr. Karen Pearlman, who's an editor and a choreographer and here's what she had to say. Quite
often we won't put
music under a whole scene but we'll find that moment where the scene turns emotionally
or dramatically. (playful music) And we'll start a music
cue from that moment so that it carries forward
into the next scene to give it the tone
that we're looking for. But to me it's really
gotta be a collaboration of the editor's sense of time and movement with the composer's sense of time and tone and that's when it comes
together to make a great rhythm. (orchestral music) (gun shooting)
(speaking in foreign language) (intense music) Oh, this is nice, let's
see where this goes. Okay, so I found a bunch of tracks here. Let's see if I can find
something against stereotype. Let's give it a try, see what happens. What the hell, bubblegum pop. (pop music) (laughing) Okay, this is crazy but I
kind of dig it, let's do it. The other thing that I
would like to point out is their collections. They're basically curating playlists. And again, I'm kind of
looking for something to go against
type so maybe Blissful Ambient could
be really fun to try out. (slow music) (guns shooting) - Go! - [Narrator] I like this one. I'll probably go back to the site and see if I can find two
or three different types of against type style music. I just want to tell you what happens next. These are all the tracks that I like. I'm just going to download them and start putting them
into my editing software. I was listening in on Tatiana Riegel, who's the editor of I, Tonya. This was at EditFest recentl
y and she talked about how
she works with music. The first thing she said is
be careful with cutting scenes with music already in the timeline because music can mask some
of the problems in the edit. (dance music) So cut the scene first,
then put the music to it and possibly make adjustments, or not, because you might not need to. (dance music) (applause) The brain will make automatic connections between the music and
the flow of the scene. Don't believe me? Go back 20 seconds, turn
off the audi
o and play back. I bet you didn't notice that bad edit that I snuck in there. - She's a darling figure. - [Narrator] Another thing
that Tatiana pointed out is that she's very hesitant
to cut to temp score. (chattering) Because the last thing you want is an unhappy director or producer who fell in love with a
music track they can't get. (dramatic music) (door slamming) (guns shooting) Okay, I really like this piece. It gives me a nice contrast. So I've got these tracks in
here, I've downloaded th
em, they're free previews that you can use to do your edit. But let's say you're happy with this song. You want to actually use it. What's really great about
the new Music Vine is this. There's the song right here
and you want to buy it, they now have different types of licenses. Because most of the time you don't really need a
full license for broadcast. Maybe you just want to
put it on the Internet on YouTube, just like me. So Music Vine figured out
a way to structure a deal that is really adv
antageous for you. They have a new license where you can get any of their tracks if
you're only using it for personal use, vlog,
indie channel, podcast. Only $10 for a song. But look at all the variations here. We talked about this one, wedding, $25, non-profit, $30, student, $25. When Tatiana was talking about be careful when using music you
can't get the license for, here you don't have to worry about it. If you're working on a short and you maybe have three or four tracks for probably less th
an $100 you can get the entire
score of your film covered. (mouse clicking) (pop music) ♪ I thought that I knew you ♪ ♪ I thought I'd see right through you ♪ ♪ I was gone, I've been gone ♪ ♪ The darkness carries my sight ♪ ♪ Can't fight it, can't beat it ♪ ♪ I think I've been defeated ♪ ♪ Can't fight it, can't hide it ♪ ♪ My heart is stuck on you ♪ Recap, number one, cut
without music first. Make sure that all your edits work. But maybe not, I actually
like to use music to inspire a cut, but eve
n then I turn
off the music afterwards and revisit everything. Number two, beware of
cutting with temp music. A lot of composers really
don't want to listen to temp music because
they often feel pressured to do a sound-alike. Also, if you fall in love with the music and then can't get the rights, you just made your life
miserable for no good reason. Finally, when should you
cut music to a scene? Well, maybe for contrast,
accent, to magnify an emotion, or to mask a problem. I hope you like this e
pisode. Do let me know in the
comments if you enjoyed this approach of working with a brand. Check out Music Vine, play
along with their new website, and enjoy 50% off on your next purchase by clicking the link in
the video description. When they're doing this flailing, like these air punches, that's when I want the music
to go into second gear. Oh, by the way, if you want
to watch me cut that scene with the bubblegum pop, just click on over on
Patreon and have some fun. (upbeat music)
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Just what i was looking for while editing something. Thanks! Love your channel.
After my Dad passed away I made a video about him using interviews with my family. I used 2 types of music. During an emotional segment with my nice, I used somber music, which was fine. But just as it got to the most emotional part, the music stopped and it was just her and her grief. The emotion meter went through the roof.
This movie could have been great, instead the way the story plays it's just boring
Please do a video about when to use a colorist and/or a sound mixer
One of the best videos
The biggest reason Atomic Blonde works like it does is it doesn't suck. John Wick sucks at levels rarely attained. It's like the way that Bourne affected all action fight scenes after it. To be taken seriously it has to look that serious. The Bond franchise got completely retooled because of it. AB pulls it off completely, she is the female Bourne. Wick is laughable in comparison.
So cool! I love when my music choices time perfectly with my edits without having to re-cut 🤗
This is kinda clickbaity – I thought you’d criticise the film
This video gave me so much inspiration for my next project, thank you!
"and for this episode I'm going to make an AMV"
These videos have so much to learn in them! Why is this guy not bigger on YT? Here is a possible list: -Not loud enough, this guy never raises his voice, kids love hosts who scream! -Not enough jokes, double entendre, or rants against haters. -no long hair curled up in a man-bun -no coffee brand you promote and or sell -Not selling any digital assets like luts that only work well if you own the same very expensive camera -no moody lighting with red blue accent lights in the background
This is amazing and eye opening
"I like this a lot" Cuts with another movie for fun
Thank you. Very informative!
Music - because fight in the pub Without music - because fight in the apartment or building
That was really helpful.. thanks alot ❤
OMG, I have only just found this amazing channel!! 2 years too late!
I could hear midnight serenade when the original clip played.
Your channel is one of the most useful content in youtube for me. Very inspirational! thanks