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I'm Haslinda Amin. And here are the top stories.
Is the fed any closer to a rate cut? Well, investors look ahead to the US
inflation data on Tuesday for more clues on where rates may be headed.
Chinese lawmakers are set to wrap up their annual meeting with discuss
whether investors heard anything that could change their mind on equities.
Also ahead, it's not just AIG mania, the short volatility.
Trade is roaring b
ack on Wall Street, with investors sinking billions into
ETFs betting on a calm market. Plus, we have a great lineup of guests
to discuss. Markets.
AVM Capital founder and CEO Ashwin Murthy is up first.
And later on in the focus we have on Rafi to weigh in on the rally there on
the markets. It is a big week ahead.
Of course, we have front and center the CPI data out of the US that is front and
center in terms of investors. Are Asian markets under pressure led by
tech slumping about 4% in chipmak
ers in particular, We saw that pullback in the
US and Nvidia leading the pack lower among max seven, losing about 6% on the
back of that. Investors looking ahead to US CPI data
as we said looking for guidance from the Fed.
Perhaps this is a Powell who has said that we're not too far from the first
cut. He just needs a little more evidence.
CPI are getting to 2% taking the where we are and into the benchmarks right
now. Nikkei to 25 down two and a half
percent. It is really about the yen story in
ching
higher and that is dismantling the rally that we've seen so
far. Some of us as do USD extended that 2%
rally which we saw last week. JGB yields also trending up after a
report saying BOJ considering scrapping that white.
See see, in terms of the other markets, we have dumped losses for the
Philippines as well as new zealand, china in focus and B.C front and center
as well. Concluding this week onshore offshore
stocks have moved pretty much in opposite direction.
Take a look where we are in
terms of the Chinese yuan, pretty flat right now.
It's been stabilized by that fixing by the PBOC.
MSCI is a big index now extending its loss to more than 1%.
As we said, a big week ahead. We'll get the latest inflation print out
of the US on Tuesday. That likely abated gradually last month
while retail sales rebounded, illustrating why the Fed is in no rush
to lower interest rates. While Bloomberg Economics expect China's
BBC could lower its one year medium term lending facility by ten basis p
oints,
marking the first cut since August. And India's CPI may continue to ease in
February, which could force the RBI to rethink perhaps its hawkish bias.
And here's a breakdown of consensus expectations for the February US
inflation reading headline CPI forecast to stay unchanged at 3.1% year on year,
but core inflation expected to ease to 3.7% year on year.
Let's assess how significant the data is.
Ashwin Moorthy is founder and CEO of AVM Capital, a macro hedge fund manager.
Well, likely to s
tand pat in March, but it is also about the trajectory that the
Fed may provide, perhaps. Yeah, I think the Fed is, you know,
communicated to us that they would like to cut interest rates very soon because
they think current policy rates are quite restrictive.
I personally don't understand why they think it's restrictive, because if you
look at the stock market, you look at growth, you know, things are doing quite
well, but, you know, they're using a textbook definition of what is
restrictive an
d they feel their interest rates are quite high.
So I think if inflation does mean revert lower tomorrow and we see that continue
in April, May, they're going to cut in June.
It is about the dot plot and it doesn't take much to move expectations because
all it takes are two Fed officials to perhaps make some changes for the median
to move. What are you looking at?
Yeah, So I think if inflation comes as 0.3, there is a chance that two dots
might move. So all you need is two governors to
change th
eir diet. And we could get two points for this
year. But if it comes in, you know, slightly
lower than that, I think Powell is going to do what he needs to do to keep those
darts at three, because he does want you know, he's communicating to us that he
wants to start a rate cut cycle. I'm not sure what's behind that.
But, you know, when we look at the data, it doesn't look as weak as what is what
he's seeing. You know, this textbook definition of
real rates is is probably wrong right now.
You kn
ow, with markets soaring and financial conditions so easy, it's clear
that the market's on very tight. And we have El-Erian weighing in, saying
that, you know what, jobs in particular is pretty ambiguous.
Let's take a listen to what he had to say.
I'm honestly paralyzed. I wouldn't know what to point to.
This is. This is an ambiguous report, and once in
a while we get ambiguous reports. We continue to produce jobs.
We continue to contain monthly hourly earnings.
The US is just exceptional. But m
arkets have priced in expectations
and that's why I see this ambiguous as opposed to simply positive.
So it's not clear cut? No, I don't think so.
But I think the jobs market, you know, people take away what they need to take
away from that payrolls report, but it still looks robust.
You know, it's not overheating and not getting three or 50 k jobs, but it's
still a very solid labour market. Wage growth is healthy.
Household balance sheets are healthy. You know, it's a strong economy at the
mome
nt, you know, but we'll have to wait for that data to turn.
But I think the Fed just wants to go ahead.
And the feeling in the market is that if that disinflationary trend were to
continue, we could see and everything rally.
I mean, yes, so the markets is sort of front runner that everything rally right
now. So we are seeing that a lot has been
priced in. A lot has been priced in.
You know, the market is still pricing more cuts than the dots between three
and a half in four right now. You know,
we could see that
disinflationary process speed up over the next few months.
One thing we haven't seen is shelter inflation coming off.
If that starts to come off like many leading indicators are pointing to, we
might get that false impression that inflation is coming off very quickly.
But that's only going to last for a short bit.
And then the disinflationary process for goods is about to end.
But once that starts going up and services inflation stays sticky, we
might have come into a surprise
towards the end of the year.
What might catch the markets by surprise?
Maybe in the shorter term? I mean, it's priced pretty much for
perfection right now. I think services inflation remaining
sticky or inflecting higher will cause a lot of pain in the market because that
would not allow the Fed to cut rates. Right.
Because that's the part that is linked to wage growth is a weak link to the
labour market and they're going to then keep rates restrictive so that the
labour market softens and servi
ces inflation comes down.
The markets are not prepared for that. How prepared is the market in Japan for
a higher and stronger yen today? We're already seeing a massive
tilt to the bottom. Currently Nikkei to 25 down about two
and a half percent. It does look like that weaker
while stronger currency is weighing on sentiment.
Yes, I think in Japan, the weekend has helped a lot, both the economy and the
stock market. And I don't think the economy is ready
for a very strong in a very appreciates. S
lowly, I think it's okay.
But if we drop to like 130 until the end, I think that would cause some
problems and the Nikkei would tumble. But how much upside is there for the
yen? I think it depends on the pace at which
the BOJ tightens policy. So for us, you know, whether they do in
March or April is irrelevant. It's what's matters more is the path
beyond that. I think they're going to have a dovish
exit from, you know, basically negative interest rates.
And I think they'll take their time. You k
now, we need to see how the wage
inflation, these wage hikes start to filter into the economy.
I don't think they're going to jump the gun.
The question really is how much more foreign money is expected to pour into
Japan? Because if you take a look at where
yields are right now, the returns from investments in Japan, there's also a
limit to how far they can go. Yes.
So if the yen continues to weaken, then you might see the Nikkei continue to
power ahead. Fundamentals enough to support the rally
that we're seeing in Japan. I mean, dividend yields are looking
pretty good for Japanese companies, for instance, and buybacks.
So, you know, these two forces are helping the market along.
So I think, you know, you you've got zero rates.
And then between the dividend yields and the buybacks, that's about 5% yield on a
zero rate economy. So that's pretty strong.
So what would you be buying in Japan? I think for us right now we're going to
wait for this BOJ to end and I think we'd be actually loo
king to go a long
dollar. And again, because we think a lot of
this move in the currency is linked to the interest rate differential.
And looking at how BOJ likes to drag its feet, we expect real rates as David
largely a negative in Japan for a long time.
Still not convinced yet, considering that you're still waiting before pumping
in more money. Yes.
So I think you know this people markets are going to react to this this exit,
which is only a ten minute hike, you know, maybe a good dollar and i
nto the
low one forties and I think it'd be a great buy the OC as friend Stanford I've
been moorthy about capital is sticking around still to come on and Ravi private
wealth management tells us why they're staying cautiously optimistic on the
Indian markets. More on their outlook later this hour.
I keep it here with us. This is Bloomberg. Our view is that one should not invest
in China. I don't think it's un investable per se.
High dividend and Klein's asking for income definitely will still con
tinue to
play very, very, very careful. If you're investing in China right now,
we think the economy is going to steadily continue to slow down for the
next ten years. I think the biggest risk here is policy
maker complacency. It is not clear what the overall general
direction of policy will be. Long term stimulus is important, but I
think China has passed the stage where they want to throw a lot of money, build
a lot of leverage. We're in a new paradigm.
The leaderships economic parties are com
pletely different.
It's very difficult to restore the market confidence.
The sentiment is really bad. I talk to my friends in China and they
are talking about that. There is no hope.
I think it's going to be a hard challenge to bring the foreign investors
back to China. And those were some of our guests
speaking about their investment outlook for China.
And Mark, is it been a mixed bag over the past week with the NPC underway, the
CSI 300 posted a slight gain while the Hang Seng fell across sect
ors.
Raw materials showed the most strength, while real estate and consumer
discretionary pretty much lagged behind. Now China's annual session of parliament
is wrapping up in a few hours, with perhaps more emphasis on what leaders
did not do than what they did from all. Let's bring in AI, China economy and
government reporter Lucy Liu in Beijing. Lucille, the key takeaways here.
Yeah. I mean, it's it's been one of not a lot
of surprises, I must say. A lot of the, you know, targets for the
year
in line with economists expectations.
Of course, we did have, you know, the premier presser being cancelled.
So that was a big event to conclude the two sessions that we always look forward
to and a rare meeting for foreign journalists.
And you know that the the premier of China.
So that's no longer in the books today. We're basically looking for the passing
of the state council's organic law that essentially is the codifying of
something that's already in place, which is that, you know, the gov
ernment is
really serving the party and in this case also sees vision for the economy.
Lucille, of course, front and center, that GDP target about 5%.
Are we any clearer to how China would get there?
Yeah. I mean, we did see some good, you know,
CPI numbers recently. Of course, economists are saying that,
you know, that's not going to last. That came off as basically the Lunar New
Year holidays increase spending there. But actually interesting there we also
had it was increased trips, but per ca
pita spending decreased about 10% from
pre-pandemic. So people are being more frugal even
though, you know, more people are going on trips.
So it's you know, there is a mixed bag, but we aren't seeing anything, you know,
anything concrete for for how we're going to achieve this very aggressive 5%
with not a lot of change in policy. And of course, that work report again
emphasizing these sort of new productive forces.
It's focus on manufacturing. So China very much staying the course
there, even
though a lot of foreign countries are concerned about
overcapacity. And you know, what happens if China
continues on this track? That's right.
A lot of people say that to get to 5%, you need a lot more stimulus.
Of course, we had data of out of China over the weekend as well.
That CPI print. It is in the positive for the first time
in quite a while. But some say, you know what, it is not
sustainable. It is mainly because of the lunar New
Year holiday. Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, deflation, of cour
se, as something we're watching very carefully
this year. And we did get that bump last month.
But, you know, in addition to new Lunar New Year, there was also sort of extreme
weather in mid-February. There was, you know, sort of freezing
rain here in the north. So that also pushed up consumer prices.
So economists pretty much, you know, across the board not expecting that to
continue. And, you know, those deflation worries
still very much here. And, you know, that's going to be a
major drag on
the economy. Michelle, thank you so much for the
coverage. They are china economy and government
reporter Lucy Liu in Beijing. Let's get insight on markets, the impact
possibly. Arvind murthy, founder and CEO of AVM
Capital. He is still with us.
It is a big nothing burger for investors.
Yeah, I think, you know, people were expecting something big going into the
meeting. It didn't it didn't pan out.
One of the things that struck me was, you know, if you look at some of the
targets they've set, we
had nominal growth at about three and a half percent
last year. Now they expecting real GDP growth at
5%, inflation at three. That's a nominal growth of 8%.
What is going to get us from three and a half to 8%?
I don't think they're very clear about that.
And that's why markets are just not enthusiastic about this.
This is a different China. China has set the three new I guess
growth drivers would be EVs, would be solar power batteries and so on, so
forth. That takes time.
Why wouldn't you buy i
nto these sectors, for instance, in view of the longer term
perhaps goals? Yeah.
So I think as a stock picker, they're going to be certain industries that are
getting support from the government. You know, those things can thrive.
But a broad market, I think the only way it's going to go up now is to really get
investor sentiment back. You know, the wealth effect right now
has been discussed quite it's quite tough in China, both property market and
the stock market down. So you having consumptio
n which is we
people not willing to invest and they're not many options.
That's probably one of the reasons why they've kept interest rates at 2% is not
at zero despite deflation. We talked about how it's a nothing
burger, but we did hear from the PBOC saying that it is willing to cut rates
further. I mean, realistically, how deep could
the PBOC go? I think they've realized that cutting
rates is not going to help too much. There's already a lot of liquidity in
the market. They just want to incre
ase this leverage
problem. The other issue is that given there's no
place to invest, nothing much to invest in in China right now, if they reduce
rates from 2% to one or half a percent, you know, that makes people even more
unhappy because there's less less to invest in.
And the other problem is the currency. You know, if the interest rate
differential in the US starts to widen again, that's going to put pressure on
the currency and they're trying to keep it stable.
So how much of a cut could we
see in triple-A?
It could continue at triple or maybe one or two cuts this year, maybe another ten
bips on there on the on the policy rate. But all of those are going to have very
minimal impact, I feel, on the economy. What really needs to happen is they need
to get investor sentiment up. And, you know, this program of buying
these ETFs is helping. That has put a bottom in the market.
If they continue buying these Chinese ETFs every day for the next year,
throughout the course of the year, you
should see markets start to rebound.
And we really have our Britain News, a headline from Reuters saying that
Chinese regulators are asking banks to step up support for Volcker.
I mean, we've seen this before. How the national team comes in to
provide the support. Is that enough to revive, revive
sentiment? I think this is important.
They can't let a state owned enterprise as a linked developer go down is
different from China of a grand or a country garden.
So I think they will step up, support
, you know, the various ways of doing
that. They could swap the debt for loans by
these policy banks, and I think that we'll see more of that if any of these
developers get into trouble. But have you seen the US, do you think?
I think we're nowhere close to the immediate.
I think we're go there, try to plug the gaps on the downside.
But what's happening now is they need all these property and all these
projects to be completed, right. Because a lot of people have bought
these properties. We need
that to be completed.
But after that, where are we going to get the activity from?
You know, it's not going to be like the pre-COVID times when, you know, there's
a lot of demand for private properties. So I think that's part of you're going
to see activity go down a fair bit. We have heard from China over the course
of the NPC that they are willing to intervene, they're willing to step in to
ensure that there is unnecessary extreme panic in the market.
Is that good enough for you to allay conc
erns about how bad it could look in
China? I think for now it does allay some
concerns because, you know, you have the backstop of the government, but it
depends, you know, they need to make sure that they prevent it from getting a
lot worse. They need to step in quickly.
And it seems like that's what they're trying to do right now.
So while they're doing that, they need to get investors willing to buy debt to
it, to offer laws, to buy equities. And that's why they've stepped in into
the equity
markets. And now, you know, they put a bottom in
that and that is slowly going up. It takes a while.
I don't think it's something they're going to fix overnight.
It might take two or three years. But, you know, it's it's just going to
take some time. You talked about the yuan earlier.
It has been supported very well by the fixing that we've seen so far.
What is fair value of the currency? Wow, that's a tough question.
I mean, if they remove the bans, you know, I think most people think the
dolla
r, it would be trading at nine or ten because there's so much money that
wants to leave China at the moment because of a lack of investment
opportunities, you know, something that can be fixed
immediately. But I think they're going to manage it's
in their interest to have a weaker currency because that helps with exports
to help boost growth. But given where investor sentiment is
currently domestic. They can't afford the yuan from
weakening to quickly. What they would what would make them
happy
is that we get a sell off in the US dollar bear market to the US dollar.
Then they can let it depreciate against this trading basket.
But realistically, can you expect the sell off in the US dollar when the Fed
is now expected to cut rates by, you know, three times instead of seven?
That was initially expected at the end of last year even?
Yeah, we're not expecting that is not a base case unless you get a hard landing.
We don't expecting a very, you know, a long term sell off in the US dollar.
Y
ou know, right now most of the central banks, we look at the ECB and the Fed,
they seem to be coordinating quite well. It looks like June might be the first
rate cut that just reduces things more. So I don't expect a sell off in the US
dollar. I don't expect it to rally very hard.
But, you know, going forward, if you get U.S.
exceptionalism going into the end of this year, next year, the U.S.
dollar should start to rally again. So you want by the end of 2024 would be.
It really depends on how mu
ch what if you had to put a figure to it Right
here. Right here.
Yeah. So it's going nowhere.
It's going they're going to keep intervening as long as they have the
export, the current account balance to support the currency and quickly.
Has it been surprising that the Asian markets have been pretty much decoupled
from China, or how have we been seeing that trend for a while now?
We have been because I think the correlation between the Chinese markets
and the rest of the global markets have been
quite low.
It's been very specific, let me tell it. It looks at what's happening
domestically in terms of policy. Unfortunately, has been on a downtrend
for three years while the rest of the markets have been going up.
I expect that decoupling to continue. Just one final question before we let
you go. Of course, it's tech.
It is easy. We've seen how easy and tech stocks have
rallied in the US, but not the same story for Chinese and tech stocks.
At what point would they be a buy? I think it depen
ds on the policy in
China. You know, they went after the big tech
companies, the monopolies. That's not very pro stock market for
equities. If they change their tack, they start
supporting these companies. I think we could be it could start to
become a buy. All right.
Not anytime soon. HODGMAN Thank you.
Arjun Murthy, founder and CEO of AVM Capital.
Plenty more ahead. Keep it here with us.
This is Glenn back. The one place where we could see a
correction and it's just a correction. We're not cal
ling it the end of this at
all is in the chip space. There was probably a lot of double and
triple ordering as the word shortage was making the rounds and those inventories
will have to be digested. ARK Investments CEO Cathie Wood on a
possible correction for CHIP stocks. And we're seeing some correction here in
Asia on the back of what we saw in terms of tech stocks in the US at a slump of
4% for tech stocks and Vidya led the charge lower, slumping as much as 6% and
at one point erased about $1
40 billion in market value because this is one
stock and Nvidia we're talking about that's rallied hard 70% and at 2024
alone. So not surprising that investors are
perhaps taking some money off the table. In the meantime, Asian tech stocks
falling us a lower Samsung Electronics down by 7/10 of 1%.
Hynix lower by more than three. TSMC not spread either, as am I see them
bucking the trend higher by about 1% right now.
Of course, investors now looking ahead to that CPI print to see what will
happen
next. TSMC re-entering the global top ten club
after touching that record level. Currently don't down about 2%.
Let's do a check on cryptocurrencies in particular as well.
The largest cryptocurrency jumping to another all time high of more than
$70,000. That happened on Friday.
Giving up some of those gains somewhat today, down about 1.2%.
And Bitcoin has capped a seven week run of more than 70%.
Wow. What a run for that cryptocurrency
ether. Binance.
Ah com Solana in negative territory right n
ow.
Now here are some of the top corporate stories we are following.
Bloomberg has learned that Reddit and its investors are looking to raise as
much as $748 million in an initial public offering.
Sources say the social media platform plans to sell shares in a range of 31 to
$34 each, seeking a valuation of as much as six and a half billion dollars.
Reddit has been working towards a listing since its initial filing in
2021. Saudi Aramco raising its dividend
despite lower profits to help the gove
rnment plug its budget deficit.
More when we come back. This is Bloomberg. We're all come back.
Jenna market just heading to lunch. And what a lift.
CSI 300 index up by 8/10 of 1%. Not much to do with NPC, perhaps more to
do with China vodka rising after depositing about $650 million to fully
repay its notes. How can developers also rising after the
weekend home transactions hitting a three year high?
And of course we had that report from writers earlier on talking about how
China is looking for
support for vodka as well.
CSI 300 index up 8/10 of 1%. We are looking at the yuan trading at
seven 1908, pretty much flat versus the U.S., a currency that's been well
supported by China's fixes. As China goes to lunch, Japan comes back
from lunch break. And it is a different story for the
Nikkei 225 as well as the topics it is in negative territory, extending the
loss to about two and a half percent right now.
It has to do with the yen pharma versus the USD expanding that 2% rally which we
saw
last week. JGB yields also trending higher after a
report saying that the BOJ is considering scrapping.
Why see see yen and one 4697 versus the US expanding the strength that we've
seen in the past week. Now to today's big take in one of the
biggest bets on Wall Street right now that's not tied to the AIG boom.
We're talking about the short volatility trade once a key factor in market sell
us in 2018. The bets on come.
Markets are back in a new form and on a much grander scale.
To break this do
wn, let's bring in analyst strategist Mark Cronin.
For Mark, it's just a different name right now,
Is it not quite right to say it's not related to AIG because in a way that is
in the background, actually the typically big selling of volatility
tends to coincide with or in markets of relatively clear direction.
So what happens is that investors get confident that the trend, whatever it
is, whether it is up or down, but particularly during bullish markets,
they get confident that the trend is goi
ng to extend.
And that means that they what they're willing to do is to enhance their
returns. They're willing to sell options to other
people, whether it's through ETFs or whether they're just over the counter.
And because they think that the that's a pretty predictable path here.
So that means that we'll have plenty of time to get it if the options go wrong.
Plenty of time for us to cover those exposures and especially they will sell
the downside. Put options, though they'll be thinking,
oh, t
he market has got so this trend is so good, it's going to be such a long
time before it reverses. We're not at much risk on the downside.
Now in the very short term, one of the things that could derail this very badly
is in video and video has become the largest retail stock in the market.
That means that more people is over taken from Tesla.
More retail punters in the US are using video than any other, and we all know
what happens when they suddenly lose faith in a particular stock like that.
I
t could be very unpleasant. But the thing is, how real is this risk,
especially when you consider that it is a different backdrop.
Now you take a look at the S&P. It's doubled over the last six years.
So is it really warranting that, you know, caution, The the big problem that
happens with these kind of things is that an event comes along from from left
field that people just weren't prepared for.
That's typically what derails these major these plays.
So, for example, we've got the Bank of Japan
coming up.
The calls for the Bank of Japan to tighten policy are becoming louder and
louder. There's there's a wide assumption in the
marketplace. The Bank of Japan is not really going to
hurt global financial markets because the move is going to be fairly small.
People are seen it coming for a long time until they didn't.
So we've seen it before that even though a change in policy And don't forget, the
Bank of Japan is the only major central bank considering tightening policy.
Other people hav
e done it already and we're thinking about rate cuts in other
places. So the people are comfortable with the
idea, Oh, the Bank of Japan is a small rate change.
It won't have a major impact. Maybe it will.
Maybe the market is not as prepared for the Bank of Japan as we're assuming.
And that can start a spiral of events starts hitting Japanese equities already
a bit soft already, and anticipation of this bank aspiring to European into
American markets. Certainly before you know it, you've got
a b
it of an avalanche starting and it all looks very different.
The thing is, truth be told, it is a higher bar for contagion.
Right. But if you were to look into the crystal
ball, might this happen in the next, what, six months?
12 months? Are we looking at 24 months?
No. If it's going to happen, it's going to
happen within six months. This is the way it's building up for it
to have an impact, for it to really hurt people, it has to happen within a few
months. If it happens in 12 months time, by
t
hen, a lot of these option positions are expired anyway, so it has to happen
while there's a large amount of them outstanding.
Which is it now? And they.
They will be rolled over in the short term.
So if it's going to happen, it's a near-term event.
It's not something for for next year. If there is one telltale sign, what
would that be? It will it will be something like, well,
for no particular reason. You see a major sell off, particularly
in the US markets, for example. So we have a week where
this week we've
got CPI data in the US. So it probably won't be that.
It'll be a week when there's there's not much data, maybe notified speakers.
Everything looks calm on the surface and the market ends badly that week.
I know. Why did it.
There's no particular reason and that's the start of people unwinding positions
and it snowballs. Beware AMP Life strategist Mark
Cranfield with his stake. And of course Bloomberg Terminals
subscribers can see more on this at nine big take go along with more
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Keep it here with us. This is Bloomberg. Well, let's talk India market has been
going gangbusters and we know that international investors have been piling
into small and mid-cap sized stocks to get value now that the big names have
been taken up and, of course, have been outperforming those small
and medium
sized companies, list all the things in India with Shweta Rajani, who oversees
more than one and a half billion dollars as head of mutual funds, and Anand Rathi
Private wealth management. Good to have you with us.
How much more upside I mean, people talking about overstretch valuations,
Can India continue its rally? Hi, good morning.
Definitely. I think the rally can continue from your
own. And in fact, in the next financial year,
which would start April if you see the earnings growth
coming in.
And I'm just referring to Nifty50. You know, if the earnings growth coming
in lines of 12 to 13% from your own and looking at the macro stability further
upside, very much possible. Of course, there could be those periods
of five 7% correction, which is very normal.
But through the course of the year, a further upside.
Yes, given positive macros as well as corporate earnings coming in,
valuations being reasonable. You talk about corporate earnings.
We know that in last quarter covere
d earnings rose about 30%.
I'm just wondering for the quarters ahead, how much clarity do you have?
Yes. So the quarter that just went by, if I
break it up, large caps of 20% plus growth and midcaps, we've seen up to 3%
growth for a lot of companies coming in. So if I'm looking at the next few
quarters, you know, the profit growth for NIFTY50,
our estimate is you could see another 13, 14% growth coming in for the mid-cap
companies. We could possibly see 15, 16%.
And for the small cap companies,
a 20% plus profit growth looks very much a
possibility. Where are the big values to be had in
China? In India, some say that small and
mid-cap said the way to go right now. Absolutely.
So if you see in the last few months, large caps have grown up by around 25%,
made in small caps, a value of 50% plus some perception is it's very frothy in
the mid and small cap segment. But in fact, the way I look at it in
pockets, there's still a lot of steam left in mid and small.
In fact, our internal numbers
say that valuations are pretty reasonable for a
large number of small cap segment. So there is for the steam less.
And if I just have to put a number, I would say clients can still look at
having around 40% on assignment in small in their portfolio.
Which sectors in particular then? You know, if I have to give you a name
of your sectors, then I would say within the banking you leave aside the banks,
but the non-banking segment in the financial space still is know looking
attractive, all kind of
, you know, pharma in auto as well as I think, you
know, if somebody is looking at long term then green energy could be a few
sectors. Shweta, is that a risk of hot money?
We talk about how, you know, the tide is lifting all boats.
When the tide subsides, you'll see who's been swimming naked.
I mean, is that a risk that we could see too much hot money in India?
So, you know, there are two portions to it.
You have a fire and then you have DII. If I look at the foreign institutional
holding, the l
ong term average has been around 21 and a half percent.
And right now if I it is slightly below that.
So it's at around 20.5% ownership. So which is where while you'll always
have that little segment of hard money, but if I'm looking at the long term
trend, there is a possibility that the FII inflows go back to their long term
averages and therefore majority of their money would be long term.
Even when I'm looking at the domestic inflows, you know, there's this data
that comes from RBI and the h
ousehold savings data, which shows that compared
to ten years later or ten years back, sorry, there's been an increasing change
in the asset allocation of all normal Indian households.
So if all you had around, you know, 1% of your annual savings going into equity
today, it's around six, 7%. So this is, again, sticky money coming
in. Plus, what is happening is if you see
the investments from not the top 30 cities, but your tier two cities have
started to flow into equity, so they've started to e
xperience it.
So I think a lot of the money that's coming in is more long term sticky.
Hmm. We know that the RBI has been concerned
about euphoria in some pockets of the equity market and recently has also
claimed. Down on shadow banking.
How are you assessing that risk? Yes.
So actually, if you see in the last few years, Aria has been very clear that
they want to have clean balance sheets, even for banks.
So a lot of the measures that they are taking right now, I mean, you're seeing
the retail
credit growth picking up. A lot of it is unsecured.
So the measures that RBI is announcing, I would look at it more as preventive
measures because, you know, you don't want to have a disaster sometime later.
So I think this is a good sign and one should look at it positively.
And, you know, over the last few years, we've seen how regulators, you know,
behaving and trying to sell the banks that, listen, credit growth is good, but
you need to be cautious. So I think I look at it positively.
Sure.
Just one final question before I let you
go. How are you advising your clients?
How should their portfolio look like? Yes.
So I think a few advice to our clients is be look at it from a long term
perspective. Have your strategic allocation in place.
You can have that unified 10% effective equals that you take.
But if you've decided you want to have that 60 70% equity, then continue with
that. Don't be bothered about market timing,
market levels as long as you're looking at five, seven years from
your own,
that's your investment horizon. I think equities can deliver 12 30%.
So that's, you know, primarily our recommendation.
Just stick to your strategy gas allocations and don't be bothered about
minor corrections that when we see an equity
stand pat. Shweta thank you.
To Rajani on and Ravi private wealth management.
Now let's stay with India. The nation has signed a free trade pact
with four European countries that the Modi government says will create 1
million jobs in 15 years. The deal
with non EU countries,
including Switzerland and Norway, has been 16 years in the making and against
private sector investment commitments in return for the European securing easy
access to Indian markets as well as products.
Now here's how shares of AB Nestlé Novartis listed in India are doing pre
market, all in positive territory. Nestlé India though unchanged at 25, 60,
95. And India expected to announce election
date soon. The constitutional body that oversees
voting has just lost another m
ember with only its chief now remaining for more.
Let's bring in our South Asia government reporter Swati Gupta in New Delhi.
Swati, what does it mean for the upcoming election?
Because yeah, so the election commission is a
three panel body and one member retired last month and another member resigned
over the weekend. And the Indian elections is a massive
exercise. More than 900 million people are
expected to be registered to vote this year.
And unlike other countries, the voting takes over, yo
u know, several weeks.
It happens over phases. And it is because of the size and stock
of the elections. A full panel is pretty much required.
So the panel now having just one member, is not an ideal situation for the
country when we are expecting the poll dates to be announced within the next
few days and for the elections to take place in April and May.
As you said, the commission only has one member remaining and there are
allegations of a lack of transparency. Could you explain how the situa
tion has
arisen so close to the election? Yeah.
So the election Commission has not officially commented on what has gone
down. They have not given a statement on why
the resignation happened. It was just announced that the
resignation has taken place. And that has kind of led to allegations
from opposition parties that there is a problem and this is not an ideal
situation and that there are allegations now of a lack of transparency.
Though the leader of the opposition party, who is on the panel
that elect
the commissioner commissioners, has confirmed that they are meeting later
this week. So there is a possibility that we will
have more information on this over the next few days.
So what are you looking out for? What kind of information might we get,
Swati? So the panel can operate with just one
member of the election scan take place. But because of the size and scope of
what the elections are like, you would prefer that the entire panel is in
place. And so we are expecting to possibly
hear
that two more commissioners have been appointed.
So we're just waiting for the election commission to maybe make a statement
over the next few days. Shanti, thank you so much for that.
Our South Asia government reporter 20 Gupta joining us from New Delhi and has
been trading for about 2 minutes now. Let's do a check on how Indian markets
are trading. Of course, you're seeing foreign funds
piling into India, in particular in recent weeks in small and mid-cap stocks
as well. Not surprising.
Sensex pretty much unchanged on a day that the MSCI Asia-Pac index is in
negative territory. Now.
Tilting towards the negative side as well is a nifty bank index currently
down by 2/10 of 1%. We're keeping an eye on indigo, by the
way. The stock there is Interglobe aviation
currently slumping about 1%. This is on the back of Indigo founder
Rakesh Gung wal eyeing an almost $800 million in block sale, is said to be
India's largest since 2009 and that's according to Bloomberg data.
Indigo shares ha
ve been trading near the highest price on record, but today those
stocks are down about 9/10 of 1%. Of course, we're also keeping an eye on
the Indian rupee, trading close to that six month high versus the US day.
Plenty more ahead. Keep it here with us.
This is Lambi and. It's about take Singapore's economy seen
getting a boost from Taylor Swift's only stop in Southeast Asia.
DBS says the hospitality, food and beverage and retail sectors likely
benefited from a six day Eros tour concert.
The la
test Bloomberg survey of economists shows the city state's
economy growing 2.9% in the three months to March.
That would be the quickest pace in six quarters for the year.
The print expected to reach two and a half percent under the upper end of the. And following that, he joins me here in
the Lions, said he can't talk to us about the industries which will likely
benefit from today being here in Singapore.
Hi, us, Linda. Thank you very much for having me here
today. You know, I think a few indus
tries could
benefit from this kind of tourism industries.
We have the hotel settlement as well as the aviation sector, and we also have
more shoppers coming in. That will benefit the retail sector.
If your shops and also your and B players.
Other than that, we think that those that offers entertainment and
attractions, such as the two integrated resorts in Singapore, could also stand
to benefit from the flow of tourists coming in for today's concert here in
terms of tourism. Delve deeper into th
at.
I mean, what are we looking at in terms of par?
What are the numbers? You know, because a lot of people have
number crunching when it comes to the impact she's had on the various sectors.
Yeah, certainly. So in terms of the hotel industry, we
think that this could grow by 8 to 15% this year.
This is versus a 19% growth last year that we have seen.
And this is amid a growth in terms of people numbers coming into Singapore
this year. We are thinking that it will grow by
around 10 to 18% in ter
ms of the visitor numbers coming in.
And this is on the high end of the Singapore tourism box forecast of a 15.
Right. Okay.
Can we have to leave it there? I can feel that with us.
And I think we have a slight our audio issue at this point in time, of course.
Economists have been number crunching and Singapore itself is expected to
revise up its GDP forecasts because of that.
Now, our Investments flagship Innovation ETF had not held any NVIDIA shares for
about a year. We are CEO Cathie Wood.
Whe
ther she regrets that decision and what might change her mind about the
stock. We wrote it
most of the way up, but I'll tell you what we did, and this is as a portfolio
manager, it's not one action, but the what what it causes in terms of another
action. Last year we sold in the flagship NVIDIA
and put it into Coinbase. Coinbase, I believe is up as at least as
much as in Vedere and it is much less well understood.
The whole crypto movement, the crypto asset movement, Bitcoin as a new asset
class
and so forth is not well understood or or completely accepted out
there. So we prefer to go where others are not
travelling as much. And you know, as we were moving out of
in video, we're saying, okay, regulators are trying to crush Coinbase here and we
were buying it on every dip in video. I have to happen to be one of the
sources for, for that purchase. So it's not just what we do on the sell
side, it is what we do on the buy side that that you have to look at.
And yes, we do hold it in the m
ore specialized funds, but we've been taking
profits there as well for reasons I just described.
Yeah. And to be fair, you're right, Coinbase
is up about 620% since the end of 2022. So that compares with about 530% gain in
Nvidia. Is there anything, though, Cathy, in the
end video story that would make you rethink the name and want to become more
aggressive on it? Yes, the price came down a lot.
We would, you know, the rate of return, expectation or split would a split do it
Because I know we've
never. No, no, no.
That wouldn't change that. Would you change anything?
No, no.
Split adjusted then. Then the price.
So, you know, if you look at our portfolios, what we're trying to
capitalize on with a Palantir, for example, are the next stages of this
revolution. What we're seeing in the GPU side of
things is NVIDIA. All praise to Jensen won.
I mean just unbelievable company execution, vision and so forth.
And, and it's not over. It's going to last a long time.
But there are there are going
to be many other companies benefiting from A.I..
The productivity lift alone is going to be massive the most massive productivity
lift in history, we believe. And so this A.I.
revolution is going to be broad based and is going to benefit a lot of
companies in the on the GPU side, of course, we have AMD as competition, but
many people do not understand that there's a lot of other surreptitious
competition evolving out there. And that was Ogden investment CEO Cathie
Wood, speaking to Bloomberg's
Carol Massar.
It is about air and she says lots of companies will benefit from it in the
broader market. Of course, the MSCI Asia Pick Index
expanding its loss to more than 1%. It is about the yen that is stronger
right now. That is it.
From Bloomberg Markets, Asia, DAYBREAK, Middle East and Africa is next.
Keep it here with us. This Islamic.
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