Caitibugzz Makes A Final Statement About The GeorgeNotFound Allegations

okay so disclaimer I am not a mental health  channel nor am I a therapist I have pivoted my content the last three or four years to focus on  philosophy and introspection extrospection which means like knowing the self the Consciousness and  how that Consciousness relates to the world right we all live in different cultures and different  bubbles is what I like to call them we all have different expectations of what's real we all have  different perceptions of what is real and we all use languag

e so differently the world's full  of billions and billions and billions of unique people who have unique ways of relating to the  world in my past life on YouTube I've had a few of them I actually used to be a peer educator for  sex education and alternative Lifestyles like BDSM and I'm going to P like put that hat on a little  bit today because I'm going to throw a lot of terminology at you that I think would help bring  out the Nuance of this conversation while keeping in mind that I'm not a

pure educator anymore it's  not what I do I just I still love that part of my life and I know so much and I am nearly 35 this  may so I just lived a very long life with a lot of Adventures I've been in a lot of unique situations  that most people haven't been in and I've traveled a lot so I have just like a little bit I think  more in my toolbox than the average person and certainly more than a 19-year-old Katie so we  want to go into this with compassion which means to suffer with and we want t

o be self-aware that  we don't know all things and we certainly don't identify or perceive things all the same so before  we jump into the latest video so before we get into Katie's latest video which aired last night  and I want to actually just recount once again her own original description of what happened to her  with this little snippet that I saved and then I want us to listen to Katie with an open mind and  be willing to hold her accountable without victim blaming it's really really diff

icult but I want us  to do that I also want us to be aware that George is a person who could be flawed and he himself  could have made mistakes and we're going to talk about the difference between miscommunication and  intentional harm right so first before we really get into the new stuff I just want to set us all  up bring out your notebooks pay attention to how Katie originally tells the story of the initial  major incident between her and George let's start there okay even when you listen to

videos faster  than the original person was talking it can change how your brain perceives that person so just  keep that in mind as well so let's watch let's listen to her normal so we can perceive her in her  real like her real self games on my phone when it happened out of nowhere I felt him slip his hand  under my clothes sitting next to me on the couch in front of everyone he disguised it with a simple  are you ticklish I coughed out and no still right there he disguised it with an Ru tick

lish which  insinuates that he knew what he was doing and purposefully violated her consent in order to make  her uncomfortable and in order to get away with it he pretended it was about tickling her so her  language is very specific Katie Nova shout out welcome to the boundaries or open with boundaries  memberships on YouTube I appreciate you being here thank you so much okay let's keep going really  aware of the fact that we were in front of other people the hold on right there are you ticklis

h I  coughed out a no still staring at my phone I was overly aware of the fact that we were in front  of other people the fact that everyone else was sitting around us watching us including my best  friend and that his hand was inching further to places I hadn't asked for it to be okay so  his hand was inching to places she didn't ask for it to be people were around and people were  witnessing it nobody said anything which I hate to say is pretty common in crowds of people um I  did I did like t

ry psychology for a hot second in college before I dropped out so no big deal but  when I was in that class one of the things they told me in child development is that when there  is an emergency people don't actually do anything about it so if they see somebody in trouble they  are actually less likely to do anything about it so I learned from then on to do something if  I saw something because it is actually sadly so common for human beings to witness a rape and  not do anything to witness a s

exual assault not do anything to witness violence and not do anything  cuz they don't want to get involved because I think we're animals evolved on a planet I actually  think it's part of our survival brain not to get involved but also it's really sad because then we  can't rely on our communities there were videos that went viral a little uh two three four years  ago I don't remember of men surrounding women at gas stations and the question was do you get  involved and to be honest it's sometim

es better to call the cops but ultimately it is kind of  scary to think like I'm going to get in between eight people harassing a woman you know they're  going to come for me they're going to turn on me I don't know if they have a weapon you know yeah  colus is the bystander effect exactly there is this phenomenon that just happened so I want to be  open-minded to the fact that we freeze we fight we have flight we have a chemistry biology genetics  impacting how we're going to react to things an

d we're not going to react perfectly every time  Dominic with the Super Chat thank you so much 50 Euro amazing really interested in your take  on this I only uh just discovered your channel because of this and really appreciate a mature  levelheaded approach to this quote drama well I'm very nervous and a part of this is because I  have such an unique lived experience that I'm a little afraid people are going to think I'm victim  blaming when I certainly don't want to do that or that I'm allowin

g people to get away with things  and I certainly don't want that either the last thing I want to do is let a predator get away  with being a predator but what I also need to be aware of is how nuanced and complicated being a  person is and we're going to refer to a therapist on YouTube that I really like Dr Kirk cond for  a a phenomenon that tends to happen with certain people with attachment Styles I think much like  Katie so we can have a little bit of leak at least reaching out to the educat

ional construct to give  us some backing to what we're talking about today um okay so just in that alone just a reminder of  where Katie started off with she felt like George came in with an intent and that intent certainly  would make him a predator but what if you didn't have the intent to be a predator lots of people  that are abusers lots of people that are um toxic lots of people that you know are abusive don't  intend in abuse I think there's this idea that like everyone is sitting here an

d being mellian  and you know malicious and they're thinking oh yes I just want to hurt people but often that's  not the case most people are good people because they think they're doing good and so the question  is when we refer to people as bad or good what are we using to to judge that is it our own perception  but then we got to ask ourselves why do we think we're good which is where the introspection  part comes in so check this out Dr kond has been reviewing Love is Blind which is like one

  of my favorites and he talks about in this video called borderline abuse chapter 1 season 6  episode 53 he just talks for a few minutes about some of his work and his relationship with  um dealing with abuse perpetrators right and I often will say people are often toxic I think all  of us have toxicity within us it's just about the relationship we're having with it but listen  to the way that he describes this phenomenon that he is seen in people as well cuz I think it  will help us and I've a

ctually done a collab with Dr kiraa in the past so if you guys want to look  that up he's a really great therapist on YouTube he's not the end all be all I don't mean to put  him on a pedestal I'm just referencing him as somebody who actually does this for a living in  terms of the psychology part and I'm wondering if Katie is suffering from something similar to  what Chelsea on Love is Blind is suffering from which is an issue with her attachment style so  check this out for abusive people ther

e's a set of them that are the way that people typic hold  on I've got them on point 1.5 so it's going to be a little sped up because Dr Kirk has a very  slow way of speaking so just keep that in mind talk about them where they wake up in the morning  and literally say I'm going to abuse this person or they start a relationship saying okay I have to  hold back my abuse of behavior because they're not going to take it for I have to suck them in and  then I'll abuse them certainly there are people

like that but in my experience it's pretty rare  I mean we're talking about a psychopath someone who prays on other people and enjoys it sist the  vast majority of abusers that I treated who were Court mandated because they committed a crime  of domestic and they were ordered by the court to attend the treatment program that I was a part  of I would work with these people and it was hard you know literally none of them wanted to be there  and thought that they had committed a crime all of them

thought that they were being treated unfairly  all of them thought that it was no big deal all of them thought that their partner was really the  abusive one and we would look into it we would talk to the partner periodically and of course we  would talk to the individual we look at the police report all that kind of stuff and um 99 times  out of 100 we would conclude no no no the right person was convicted of this plus now okay so this  I'm bringing and he's about to say something that is I thi

nk so appropriate for Katie before I go  into this though this would be the sort of like the idea of you know when you have a parent if you  like had parents like I did immigrant parents from Iraq very Traditional Values very anti-lgbt very  well-intentioned but I would argue are the reason I have borderline personality disorder which is  in remission four years thank God you know I've done the therapy I've done the work I've done the  I've made the effort to to focus on myself and to do DBT and

to recognize you know what situation  I'm in what's going on not to use it as an excuse but an explanation you know growing up with  parents that with their best intentions ends it up being like toxic and abusive unintentionally  have definitely made strides to be better people but pay attention to the fact that like people  always think they're good unless they are sadistic in um in a bad way not in a consensual way and  unless they you know in this situation um they're not always like trying

to be abusive or toxic it  just happens because the way they were they were raised with their acknowledgement of the world  their understanding now my parents have gotten incredibly better over the years they're very good  people but do they Harbor or maintain some of the issues that they received in their childhood  absolutely we all do we're like products of our environment and through introspective work we  can be a little bit more than that but of course nobody sits there and thinks unless t

hey're the  psychopath kind of people nobody sits there and thinks like I abuse my children all these men who  walk out on their kids aren't thinking like I'm a [ __ ] person they're just thinking I'm going to  do what I'm going to do this is the best decision I could make for me this is what I should do and  yes you and I would be like why the [ __ ] do you walk out on your kids why weren't you there to  support them well there certainly again the way we view ourselves the way we view our narra

tives  is going to be in the most positive light so you know when Katie attributes maliciousness to  George I think she's making a really common mistake that a lot of people make and I just I  can't imagine after everything we've seen that George has that maliciousness within him that  he's seriously targeting Katie trying to make her uncomfortable but maybe I can't read mine so  I could be wrong but I'm assuming Katie is doing something that Dr kand is about to explain  which Chelsea kept doing

in Love is Blind so let's get into that okay let's talk about  that because I actually think this is what's happening and if this is what's happening then  a lot more compassion can be had for everybody involved okay so let's see you know Court juries  blah blah blah anyway do wrong things happen in court yeah but you know anyway so what I learned  was that all of them that I came across and then subsequently in my private practice I would treat  abusers as well perpetrators they all have massi

ve attachment insecurity and learned or developed  this pattern of retaining attachment security through control and what we would call abuse  and they are operating from this desperation of retaining an attachment they don't set out  to abuse they set out to retain attachment like everyone else does but instead of having other  kinds of behaviors that are based on trust and self- awareness and uh emotional regulation they  they have a set of behaviors that are available to them that are coerciv

e domineering controlling the  irony of people who have narcissistic personality disorder and Dr Konda works with patients who have  it and he really has seen them gotten get better but it's a devastating personality disorder I you  know it's such a difficult one to have because the deepest root of a narcissist is that they're  incredibly insecure and self-hating so when we have to deal with them it's easy to hate them  and to think they're evil people but think about if that was your life think

about if you were  born or had a childhood that gave you or made you suffer with this horrible horrible illness  like it's just such a horrible thing to have and it's so hard to deconstruct it though there are  people who have worked on it there are even um narcissistic um ticktockers who have talked  about this you know it's a very interesting phenomenon and I'm not saying Katie has NPD I'm  I'm not seeing any of that I actually think it's something less of an issue than that cuz that's a  hug

e issue right but Dr Konda often talks with a lot of compassion for NPD people and I've read  a few books on them and I I definitely think I have a narcissist in my life and I do love that  narcissist right that person's so special to me and they're somebody that I love and I wish would  get better and I'm not sure if they have it but when I think about them I think like oh that's  what I think they have they're they're suffering they're a person who's suffering and so my heart  goes out to them

that doesn't mean I don't have to have boundaries that doesn't mean I have have to  hang out with them that doesn't mean that doesn't mean that doesn't mean right like you can know  that people suffer without needing to justify their actions also shout out to Felicia welcome  to the memberships so let's keep going harmful and they don't know it in the moment they're not  thinking I'm trying to tear this person down it to them it feels rational to them it feels like it's  commensurate with the s

ituation like I don't know if they're going here but you they're talking  about him last night having gone out with his friends for an hour for most people if as long as  it is the way that it looks he just went out with his friends for most people they would you know  even if they were kind of hurt they'd be like I just kind of I just kind of wanted to spend some  time with you last night and on a scale from 1 to 10 about hurt it might be a two or a three but for  people that have these kinds o

f traumas the two or a three or even if it's a one to most people  it'll feel like a eight or a nine maybe this is key we all wondered if all again I'm going to use  language here that sounds really dismissive but I think it's important we kind of wondered if quote  all he did quote was tickle her or touch her even gr her boob or even you know why is she reacting  the way she's reacting as if she was graped right that's a lot of the commentary around Katie and  George I think this could be happe

ning possibly where she's witnessing she's involved she's  having this relationship with the situation but she's having a reaction that is out of reason  but that doesn't mean it's not happening that's why your feelings are so valid even if they're  not reasonable but that doesn't mean you get to act on your feelings and hurt other other  people just because they are really happening that doesn't mean they're reasonable that's why  people go to have DBT that's why borderlines do DBT is they lear

n how to be reasonable with when  they're exhibiting or expressing their emotions and how they're doing it right and I think Katie  might be suffering from something similar I don't know I'm not a therapist where she's not able to  introspect and say to herself why am I reacting this way why didn't I react a different way you  know what I mean and I'm thinking that that's probably what's happened happening even a 10 so  so to give it an analogy for typical people for people without this conditio

n it would be as if  he had um cheated and um you know cheated for a month see he's saying so him going out for an  hour with friends to a to a person with this kind of brain could literally feel as if your partner  had cheated on you for a month and that's a really difficult thing to process that okay when I hear  you say something I'm processing it this way when this thing happens I'm processing it this way  some things I also found out I'm going to throw some terms at you okay some things I r

ecently  found out is like Katie identifies as asexual so asexual people um the way to think about it  is they don't have an experience of like sexual attraction asexual people have sex they can have  sex asexual people feel the biological urge to masturbate but they usually have no desire to  or need to engage in sexual behavior but can often do it for their Partners or because it's  sort of an indifferent thing to them so for my understanding and I could be wrong on this  Katie is asexual and

that is impacting her relationship with how things have gone down now  alosexual which is like what I am is I just have sexual attraction to people it doesn't matter if  I like you or not I can be sexually attracted to you alosexual demisexual are people who usually  don't have a sexual attraction to someone unless a great emotional bond has been created right so  when you think about categorization which I'm a big fan of right that's how my nerd divergency  definitely plays its um kind of hyper

focus is that I love categorization and I love things  being accurately categorized so even in this situation are we really talking about sexual  assault are we talking about sexual harassment are we talking about something else are you know  there's so many ways to have this conversation and then we have to ask ourselves like it was  it violence is this violence like what is this and so there's so many questions to ask before  we know but a lot of what the internet does is it black and white It

Black and Whites everything  and it thinks either Katie is the worst person on Earth or George is the worst person on Earth and  I hate to say this but humans are somewhere in the middle okay so there's something about this that  I think is getting Lost in Translation because nobody has this educational background and nobody  knows these terms and nobody's thinking about it from this perspective but there are so so many  ways to think about this so again you and I might have been in situations

in which somebody  touched our chest or somebody touched us in a way and it didn't feel like the end of the world  but for Katie her brain did process it that way and I think that's incredibly valid that doesn't  mean that George is a predator it actually says more about relating to yourself than relating to  other people in that moment Katie needs to relate to herself than relate to George cuz she can't  be in George's mind but she kept attributing a lot of like evil to George which I think was

very  inappropriate okay now we'll move on to the actual video that Katie made recently uh going into  this video I already uploaded it on my channel it's unlisted because Katie's original volume and  her original video was like way too low so I just re-edited it to Up the Volume so we're watching an  hour and two minutes of Katie's video reuploaded on my channel but her original link I will make  sure let me grab it for you because I don't want to make anyone uncomfortable here this is her  or

iginal twitch Channel I'm going to put it in the chat for you guys and put it on Discord this is  her original twitch link if you guys want to check that out for sure um so again going into this  we want to make sure that we recognize Katie's a person she's 19 I'm certainly not going to hold  a 19-year-old as accountable or more accountable than we even hold our politicians and and you  all on the internet be acting that way and I'm certainly not going to hold George a guy under 30  more account

able than we're holding anyone else in society especially people in positions of power  true power okay not things like YouTuber accounts which we'll talk about in a bit I think there's  so much misinformation going into this story so I'm just trying to add the Nuance right um Hitman  says what's the difference between asexual and low sex drive asexuals don't have a desire for sex low  sexual Drive means you have a desire for sex but you don't have the drive to to be into it there's  a differenc

e right so like asexual can have high sex drives that's why they often masturbate to  get rid of that feeling but they don't desire the sex part of it traditionally speaking and then  of course there's like an a spectrum which means you could be somewhere on that Spectrum right so  the difference is like asexuals have high and low sex drives their sex drive doesn't dictate their  attraction or desire for sexual activity unlike alosexual like I'm alosexual and I have a high sex  drive right so ok

ay um those things are different and again some people feel like oh we shouldn't  be categorizing things so separately we shouldn't have to create all these terms I think you're  being lazy I think lazy thinkers simplify the Nuance of the human uh condition and I think it's  fine to be a lazy thinker I think most people are and I think it's easier and I think that it makes  sense for how humans have made it through all of their existence right as like an animal species  evolved over time so I pr

efer to categorize everything in the most nuanced way possible so in  this uh page right here you should see this thing that says categories you know in life we're always  talking about the color blue this is like my little example but it's what shade of blue are we  talking about right so maybe Katie when she says sexual assault is talking about the light blue  color but when George or I think about it maybe we're thinking about the dark blue color right and  so again when we're having this con

versation about what are we talking about unless we know what  color of blue we're talking about you know what I mean we're not going to know we're not going  to be on the same page so keep in mind as we watch this video what is sexual harassment what is  sexual abuse what a sexual violence what a sexual um uh sexual um uh whoa guys why am I blinking  on my words sorry what is rape what is like what are all the these things you know what I mean so  again I don't think PE sorry my brain totally j

ust likeed I don't think people are considering these  things when we're talking about it okay so let's go ahead and start her video once again I linked  her original video on Twitch in the chat I'll link it again just in case let's go ahead and check  out what Katie's recent video what she has to say okay so she's starting off hi mods she's waiting  for people love you guys she's like hi mods love you and I don't know how mods work in other  communities you know what I mean I don't know if that

means anything um but she's just waiting  for people to come in oh and I want to say last what sorry something I saw on Twitter and I don't  think this is true lots of people were like Katie is undoing years of feminist like progress okay  if you guys are blaming a 19 year-old for years of feminist Fe feminist progress like going  down like you need to [ __ ] sit down your bubble isn't saying we all live in bubbles and  we all have perceptions but if you're going to put the weight of the respon

sibility of a whole  political movement on the back of a 19-year-old you have lost the plot just lost the plot okay  with peace and love okay she's just a kid going through an adventure and yes her accusation has  repercussions and we should talk about that but don't act like men grown men out here grown  women out here people in positions of actual power presidents politicians popes art and sitting  here doing a thousand times worse a thousand times worse and never being held accountable to the

  point where you're dragging a 19-year-old girl who obviously has problems harder than you would  ever those people who you actually got a point a finger at okay so bad take okay bad take and by  the way is she doing harm towards real victims everybody is cuz we all have different ideas of  how we ex like have experienced that you know how many people people get on my videos and  say Briny you just wouldn't know you're not a victim of rape you wouldn't know not that it's  any of your business b

ut I've openly talked about my assaults I've openly talked about my rape but  the assumption is that I'm not a victim because I don't talk about it the way they talk about their  their rape which is fair we all think people are having the same experience we're having so Katie  from her experience is thinking I'm a victim you should understand and I'm thinking I'm a victim  you should understand and then we are assuming that because we experience it one way you know  what I mean we should all be

experiencing it the same way that is not how life is going to work  okay instead we should be listening to How She experienced it and whether or not people like  Katie can have a different experience with life based off of her own knowledge and understanding  and same with George right oh and just shout out to dream stands or fans I did get a video about  dream talking about the incident it was like 40 minutes and I did pre- listen to it so I have that  perspective in my head as well all right l

et's go she's chilling she's waiting I just don't  want to skip anything in case we're going to miss [Music] it she's humming this bit's  kind of awkward isn't it me just waiting so everyone gets here okay we're waiting this is a very  interesting way to start off a a live stream it's interesting that she's waiting  for people to show up is that a twitch [Music] decision okay I might longer than usual this  is really awkward she goes it's taking longer than usual I mean for people to show up let

  me forward this part a bit oh gosh here we go no oh I got nervous cuz she said okay let's go okay she's humming I just don't want to  skip anything so I don't like you took her out cont hey is everyone uh here now hopefully  maybe yes I guess it is time okay we're going to normal her and the reason we're not listening to  her on a faster speed is I I really want to hear her tonality I want to see her Express herself  hi everyone this is uh the stream I promised um I apologize that it's so just

late and not you  know what I mean um so the stream I promised that I would do uh my final thoughts on everything you  know just everything that I need to get out before I can even begin to heal anything um so here it  is I apologize that it is later I'm pretty sure that I said I've been really sick um and I was  hoping that I could wait to do this so I could be of right mind to and wait until I got better  but I've just been getting worse uh wise I hope she's gone to therapy I really recommend

if you  need you have to put it on a credit card which is what I did you go to therapy like if you know  you've actually been assaulted or had something terrible happen to you or you feel like you're  drowning in your mental health it's okay to go to therapy I really recommend it now of course  you got to find the right therapist and it's going to be complicated and it's going to be  hard but I definitely recommend it it in the long run it will be better but I also know that's  a difficult ask

for people I myself was in denial of my own assault for many many years because I  just you know what I mean I didn't want to have to be that person and then eventually my PTSD got  too bad and I had to go to therapy and I still have to go to therapy for it I'm still not done  with my process of healing myself so I get it and that happened many years ago many years ago you  know um thank you so much Dominic for the Super Chat it's very pecular peculiar to wait forever  for wait it's a very pecul

iar to wait forever for an audience I wonder if she just did it in the  same way that I just play music for a long time is just to give people a heads up that like hey I'm  streaming you know maybe she just did it for that or maybe she just didn't want to have to repeat  herself or maybe she felt like hey let's like make the the commentary after people have gotten  here so you know I won't be too I won't be too nitpicky I figured I would just do it now because  obviously not going to be getting

better anytime soon so uh here it is like I said this is a stream  o are those notifications going to be on the whole time because I'm not going to lie that's kind of  annoying and inappropriate I would say borderline it feels inappropriate for the theme of The Stream  just my final thoughts on everything um if you're looking at the stream for me to like Expose and  drop new drama or just anything to talk about it's not that kind of stream um and I apologize  if you think it going to everything

I need to say uh from my voice coming from me um I also  apologize I will be you know stopping stuttering I can't control the emotions I show during this  I didn't even write anything to say I've written down you know um some people on Twitter I did  I didn't pre-at but I did check on Twitter and some people didn't like that she was smiling so  much I just want to say as a person who has a a tick where when I'm really really nervous when I'm  like grow like uncontrollably nervous I actually do s

mile a lot and I even giggle my siblings and  I all suffer from like this horrible thing uh my mom has it we like we literally we get giggly  when we're incredibly nervous so I'm not going to hold it against her that she's smiling a lot  even though it feels very unsettling it also could be a nervous tick so again going in with an open  mind I'm not in these communities it's probably easier for me to also observe this a little bit  more quote objectively whatever that means also shout out 900 pe

ople are here and I appreciate you  guys being here um I will try my best to also pay attention to chat but you know I I'm I'm trying  to focus on Katie um but okay let's keep going the things I want to talk about but it's not something  I can just sit and read which is hard for me cuz it's hard to just voice I'm sorry one more thing  cuz chat keeps saying they should have handled been handled in private though I agree with you I  will say this to you I myself as an older content creator still d

eal with a lot of [ __ ] behind  the scenes it is true it exists don't put your content creators on pedestals but one thing I  always struggle with is like when do you come out with information about people cuz if it's  just that people are toxic well I think that's pretty clear people are toxic Humanity wouldn't  be the way it was if we didn't all suffer from toxicity right so I just want to make it clear  to people that as much as like this could have been hand handled in private this is a que

stion  for you when do you owe your community a warning about somebody who's toxic that's a great question  to ask yourself because I struggle with this all the time if you know something about someone in  which they're just toxic like they're not going to Grape you they're not going to take advant of  you in a in a well they're going to take advantage of you but not like in a horrible way not like in  a prison way they're not going to you know when do you speak up and say hey don't do that with

that  person you know oh hey just you know that person is kind of an [ __ ] or hey that person cheats  or hey that like when do you think it is time to speak up and tell people cuz Katie probably felt  an obligation to speak up for her community and for herself but like when do you do that right how  I'm thinking what I'm thinking um so I do ask that you guys be patient with me um mhm and this isn't  edited so I can't you know go back or cut out the pauses that I make so again I apologize this

is  going to be all over the place and probably not make any sense um but I'm doing it anyway uh I  guess um I also want to thank everyone that is even just here uh even if you're here for the  absolute wrong reasons and you hate me uh hate my guts uh I do think hating Katie is again when  we hate people it's a it's our relationship with ourselves that we're hating why would you have any  room to hate somebody because you're upset that you can't change them you're upset they hurt you  or you're

upset you can't understand them that's my theory so let go of hate let go of resentment  let go of the you know the anger within your own body so you can have a better relationship with  existing in existence I I couldn't even imagine living a life where I hate Katie at this point in  my life but I know growing up I certainly hated a lot of people and I've let go of that hate over  the years because it genuinely makes no sense if humans are going to human which is the saying on  this channel and

we know that people are going to struggle and we know that people are going to have  different relationships with themselves then the relationships they have with themselves is their  issue their problem their thing the relationship I have with them is my responsibility and so again  I can't imagine hating Katie at this point but I know why you're upset with her I understand that  anger but remember if you're nerd div virgin like I am your sense of justice might be just as bad as  her sense of

justice what if Katie and Amy and all these people in this community are having a nerod  Divergent sense of justice and then so are you or maybe you're having a moral sense of justice  because she's such a I can't believe she did this how do you think she feels from her perspective  with her morals from her morals she's thinking how can you do this and from your morals you're  thinking how can you do this and that's what we're all doing to each other okay I want to thank  you anyway for being he

re to hear me um because there's a lot of people right now that are even  just only watching clips from things I've said and refuse to watch the full thing where there's  a lot of people that only want to watch his videos on it especially sorry amsley Amy B said who's  Amy I think amsley whatever there's a girl in the sphere I don't know her exactly but she's  in this sphere where she has a very deep sense of justice and I appreciate that energy from her  but also I think it might be misplaced y

ou know because of the latest video using clips from my  stream they really don't feel it's necessary to watch or read any of my stuff and it's hard uh I  feel like I don't have a voice in my own story if that makes sense um so I really want to thank you  guys for at least being here hearing me out again I'm sorry if I like say things the wrong way  and and just use the wrong wording or go back it's just crazy right now everything's crazy but  I thank you guys for being here um yeah you guys are

saying she didn't watch George's response I'm  pretty sure that they Katy didn't also I'm sorry I think Amy is a they them my bad they them sorry  I think Amy I don't know if Amy uses all pronouns but I think they are they them I think you're  right chat sorry um yeah I don't know if Katie watched George's video I know originally she  said she wasn't going to so I'm not sure if she got around to doing it which I knows difficult  asking people to asking people to watch their perceived Predator s

peak about them but because I  know I understand that anxiety um but also H it's difficult you know what I mean it's difficult  to decide what is the right ethical thing to do anyways um the one biggest thing that I want  to clear up it is [ __ ] sexual assault okay I'm not going to apologize say that it isn't sexual  assault that I'm not a sexual assault victim the touching that he has admitted has admitted to  many times this touching that he admitted to not asking or getting my consent before

he did  he felt up my tits on a couch with other people there he stuck his hand up my shirt under my  bra and felt up fondled whatever you want to say he felt up my tits unwanted sexual touch is  literally in the definition of sexual assault it's [ __ ] sexual assault and I'm never going to  apologize for saying it is okay uh it isn't fake allegations it's not F allegations I'm not a liar  quite literally the thing that I was talking about is my sexual okay having those V notifications  on is n

ot cool um right here we're just going to okay grab your Note pen and paper okay what  is sexual assault right mods if there are like trolls in chat or very inappropriate people I  have give you permission to ban them or mute them um Johnny being particularly one of them people  who are writing like really hate comments like you can ban them um okay so um what is sexual  assault so I'm going to bring out again if you guys don't know my history back in the day I used  to be a peer educator for se

x education and BDSM an alternative Lifestyles and if you know anything  about alternative Lifestyles that are very consent focused and care a lot a lot about consent  like really love consent you know that it's a very complicated subject matter because there's  the law and then there's the expectation from your community and how you're involved in that  community so sexual assault assault in general is actually pretty broadly defined in order to  protect victims from predators and perpetrators

the Dilemma is that it's broadly defined um and  will possibly cause issues in the future because of that so I don't want to focus too much on the  legal definition but I'll give you a little bit of a story that I think will be helpful when I was  in the BDM Community pretty pretty actively like every day at the dungeon it primarily exists as a  sex education center during the day in a dungeon at night and during the sex education hours you  could take a class from lawyers in the community that

would teach us how to engage with police  officers who didn't and were not BDSM educated meaning if you had a hickey on your neck if you  had some spanking bruises because you were doing consensual BDSM if you were engaging in anything  like spitting on your partner pulling their hair choking them them in bed pretty common things in  like a lot of adult relationships whether you're vanilla or BDSM all of those things are considered  assault and on top of that sexual assault so remember that just

because it can qualify for  doesn't mean it is just because it can qualify as doesn't mean it is what's the difference from  consensual sex and rape it's the consent so again it's not the sex that's the rape part it's the  consent so when you're having the deviate or the distinguishment in in in words and conversation  Katie is allowed to perceive it as sexual assault because from her perspective that is what happened  but from George's perspective which is also just as valid from his perspecti

ve he has no reason to  think it's sexual assault because he appropriately escalated according to what he was being perceived  as like the right way to do things so what's so hard about being a person in a community is that  we don't agree on what it means to appropriately do things you can ask a person's consent three  four six seven times but if the person feels and this might be valid that they were too drunk  to even consent anyways or they were too this to make a decision or they were too t

his or their  age or then that's why we have lawyers and judges and juries and that's why it's so complicated and  so again when we're having this conversation as a community you need to decide how do you as the  individual understand that you've gotten consent from a partner because remember her argument is  that she was drunk my argument would be so was George so again there's like a confusion here  I also hear things like saying like George is a criminal he did a crime Katie also committed  a

crime that night so not only do we have two criminals who are now drunk but it's crime on  crime crime so again I want to be as nuanced as possible to explain how a miscommunication  could occur but also know that we don't want to make excuses for Predators we don't want to make  excuses for bad people we also want to make sure that we acknowledge that good people can do bad  things and so we have there's so much that goes into this but that's what I noticed first and  foremost so when I say ev

eryone lives in a bubble I meaning we all live in our own perception of  what is real and then you usually congregate with people around you who agree with that reality so  Katie is hanging out with people that agree with her reality and George is hanging out with people  who agree with his and then hopefully they the truth but the truth isn't always accessible to all  of us because we're still always just perceiving and so it's really difficult to know so just like  keep that all in mind Sal an

d that's the one thing he confirmed he can sit there and confirm that  he did it and so he did confirm that they had a physical interaction so if a man kisses you  without first asking you if you would like to be kissed you could call that sexual assault you  could be married to somebody and if they kissed you without asking your prior consent in some way  that somebody deemed not prior you could call that se sexual assault so again I agree with her that  from her perspective it was sexual assau

lt and I'm saying from George's it wasn't and I'm saying  both truths exist at the same time because there's not an objective happening here because we do not  know George's inner thoughts nor do we know our nor do we know Katie people are accusing Katie of  targeting George and maliciously trying to ruin his career people are saying George maliciously  targeted Katie and she he's trying to Mal uh he tried to maliciously like assault her and  embarrass her in front of her friends we're making a

lot of assumptions on the internal workings of  two people that are giving two different stories so if we actually believe them for the way they  both told the story they both had an interaction they both thought it was a different thing from  their own perspectives he validated her consent and didn't ask her to come back to his hotel room  didn't have sex with her didn't kiss her didn't do anything else right so again like when we're  having this conversation both of them could be telling the t

ruth and that's what's so difficult  about being a person in a society is like how are both people telling the truth and there's no  real predator or victim because it just happens that way you know does intent or impact hold  equal weight in thesea in this case um I think it does in all cases in some cases well I don't  know about equal but I think ultimately we have to pay attention to intent and then we have to pay  attention to impact right so from my perspective the thing I've learned the m

ost about my life is  that life isn't simple but it's simply complicated and that people are you know it's a a life is so  complicated guys we don't choose to be here it's not like we consent to being born and then when  you're born you're born into a physical body that has all these preconceived prescriptions on to you  oh you're black your life's going to be like this you're a woman your life's going to be like this  you're gay you're Muslim you're Catholic you're Jewish like here's a whole hi

story that's going  to be pushed on you and then you have to decide well what if I wanted to live outside of all of  these constructs but you still have to literally exist in a society and that Society is what we're  witnessing right now you live in a society this is that Society right Kenzie with the Super Chat  says this is her F third or fourth statement and her saying it for the first time now feels  after backlash I think that's a fair perspective the fact that she didn't clarify that's why

  we rewatched the beginning section okay why we rewatched her talking about how he touched  her because you're right that ultimately her bringing up the boob contact now adds sort of a a  hesitation in believing her story though I think both things can be true he could have touched her  boob and from his perspective it could have been consensual and from hers it wasn't both of those  things can still be true they could have had sex that night both being drunk people her being  a legal adult him

being a legal adult and the same thing could have happened they could have  literally had sex and it still would have been consensual and uncons because there wasn't  a communication that made sense to either of them not all cultures work like your culture not  all cultures ask out loud would you like me to kiss you would you like to have sex would you  like me to do this there's also a terminology called blanket consent so my husband I married  okay she has blanket consent to have sex with me

whether I'm sleeping or whatever I'm doing  he's blanket consent to come up behind me and touch me I have blinket consent to kiss him we  don't have blinket consent to have surprise anal that's we don't have that okay you can't just do  surprise anal in this relationship because you got to prepare that's been negotiated and whether  you like it or not that's because we're trying to respect each other's consent most people are not  having those conversations because they think it's cringe and if

you think it's cringe that's okay  lots of people agree with you and want the kind of relationship you want the Dilemma in life is  you learn the hard way cultures differ from yours don't assume people live like you so in Katie's  world she saying George is a predator because he didn't prior he didn't prior to the interaction  ask her for consent and from George's circumstance or position he's probably thinking like oh I'm  just like first base second base Third Base like enjoying the process of

dating in escalation but  also this is how miscommunication occurs because we're not all the same right Mikey with the Super  Chat congratulations on over a thousand views on your stream let's go welcome guys welcome welcome  to how we tear people apart you know what I mean wow brinnie Simon is [ __ ] you made a username  dedicated to me guys I've officially made it as a streamer thank you so much guys can we ban these  people obviously like okay ban people making fake usernames ban people sayi

ng chat's [ __ ] like ban  anybody using inappropriate slurs ban anybody uh in chat who's you know possibly [ __ ] with to  just like ban them thank you I'm still sat here getting called a liar getting called a fake victim  uh getting called what was it a [ __ ] and Aude at the same time uh and quite frankly it's [ __ ]  ridiculous um I'm not going to stand I think that is ridiculous I think it is ridiculous I think  it's cruel to to tear this girl down and expect her to know things that the ave

rage person doesn't  even know and I'm really sick of seeing grown men tear her apart for the same [ __ ] they would  do themselves in different ways right so okay like okay down luckily I'm not scared to say it  anymore um that's it it's sexual assault he felt up my tits this touching that he's talking about  that's what it is okay no I'm not upset that he tickled me I'm not saying that he assaulted me  cuz he tickled me or cuz he was close to me no I'm upset because I was on a couch she's not

a  [ __ ] but she is a fake victim what is a fake victim again what is a fake victim right because  your immigrant parents are calling you a fake victim right now oh why you complaining look at  this life we gave you listen you can be a victim and you don't have to make it the the whole thing  you can be a victim and not need it to be the end all be all of your Universe you're allowed to  be a victim and there might not be a predator involved and I know that's really hard for your  brains but I'

m going to blow your [ __ ] minds right now okay you can have a victim without a  predator you can have a victim without somebody intentionally trying to victimize you and that's  the irony of life what do you call a drunk driver who didn't intend to kill anybody on the road  manslaughter it's not intentional because it's not intentional doesn't mean it doesn't have a  victim right now you could say the drunk driver is the Predator but they're not Predators they're  making a a decision into toxi

cated that obviously they're being held accountable for but it's funny  that we hold drunk drivers accountable but not people who are drunk and partying I think that's  interesting that we're willing to hold drunk drivers accountable for how they impact people but  Katie was drunk in this the situation so how do we know she didn't take advantage of George and if  she's saying it was witnessed in a room of people right like what does this mean if they did if he  did touch her which he admitted to

touching her we just don't know to the extent of how cuz she's now  mentioning the details out of the blue okay then she can feel violated you can't take that away  from her that doesn't mean George was a predator and I need you to understand both these things  can be true both of these things can be true she can be a victim and there can there in a world  where there's not a predator now the question is if you think George is maliciously picking  on her and targeting her because she's 18 or if

you're on the other side where you think Katie's  purposely trying to destroy his career how do you know you're right how do you know how do you know  you're not pulling a Katie or George right now by reading minds and not having the facts right how  do you know that 18 years old drunk on a couch with other people in the room and he sticks up  his hand and starts feel if the other people were in the room are all willing to say this happened  and that that is true then we can talk about what it

means what does it mean okay actually really  fast I got a comment on my last video that kind of kind of coincides with this I just want to read  it out loud I gave a club example in my last video about what is sexual assault and I clubbed all  through my 20s mostly gay clubs straight clubs were freaky to me but I mostly had a lot of fun  in gay clubs I'm a queer kid I was adventuring blow you know popping bubbles experiencing  life trying to figure out how other people live trying to figure out

what I wanted from the  world right I'm trying to figure out like what I want from the world and I went to this gay club  and this gay guy kissed me and didn't ask prior consent because that's not how the culture works  there and of course you find that out when you're there you're like oh okay people just touch you  here how do we feel about that but then once you say no they respect your consent so I was in a  community that would touch you and then You' be like oh no I'm not into that and I'

m like oh okay  my bad and then they'd go hang out with somebody else which is cool I'm okay with that but I can  understand how that could be traumatizing for somebody I got a comment that said your Club  example doesn't make sense to me as it sounds like you're describing a sexual assault but in a  form that you tolerate now I don't want to delude what I think of as sexual assault which I think is  intentional and purposeful but I could see a world in which a bubble defined sexual assault as t

he  fact that it happened but not necessarily that it matters because if you say oh well you just don't  care if someone's sex like if you don't care if you're sexually assaulted or if you're raped that  could be possible but then in my mind does it make it not rape or not sexual assault I think it's  very true that on a planet of 8 billion people there could be part of the human population  that could be raped or sexually assaulted and not feel impacted by it though I personally doubt  that so

I don't want to invalidate your personal experience but I personally Al doubt that you're  not going to have some impact but the reason I doubt it is because in order the reason I doubt  it is because in my belief in order for it to be rape or sexual assault you would have had to not  only want it but it would have to be pushed on you after you've declared in a very aggressive way  I don't want this so if somebody is touching you and you say oh I don't want this and they go too  [ __ ] bad [ __ 

] okay well like I don't know how okay that that's not going to impact you in some  capacity maybe it doesn't I don't want to project my feelings on to you but same thing if a guy at  the club kissed me and I said oh I'm not into that and he said I don't give a [ __ ] well okay well  maybe I'd have a different relationship with that thing and then I would call it sexual assault but  the initial process isn't assault to me because I wasn't assaulted I was interacted with right so  if an old lady

touches my hair yes I could call it assault if I'm being a [ __ ] but I'm not to do  that right so again I think this is like a really fair like assumption but I don't want to live in  a world personally where people who like um go to like maybe they hug me or maybe they shake my  hand that there's not some understanding of also silent consent and like understanding of social  cues and also speaking up for yourself there's so many things that have to go into this so for  Britney in order for it

to be rape or sexual assault or you know there has to be a I don't want  this and somebody denies you access out or way out or access to ageny basically they don't care about  your input on the situation right so for me it's not that I'm I think of it as sexual assault  that I'm tolerating I just don't even think of it as sexual assault like why would I even  consider that sexual assault that would be like considering your grandma and grandpa hugging you  at family gatherings sexual assault beca

use they kissed you on the cheek like no I'm not going to  consider that sexual assault that's like such a weird take right but it's possible that you might  have that perspective the comment goes on to say in hindsight well I don't agree oh no sorry I do  find the situation interesting because I was in a very similar situation where I was cuddling  laying down with a woman in my same age group 20 at the time and I asked if she was okay that  I kissed her she immediately said oh my God that was

such a turnoff in hindsight well I don't agree  with her that me asking did make it less natural or on the other hand let that situation turn me  off turn me wait hold on my dyslexia is kicking in while I don't agree with her that me asking did  make it less natural or on the other hand let that one situation turn me into one of those guys that  swear off talking to women because it seems like G women are dangerous right it is an interesting  perspective right so this commenter had this situatio

n which I've had in my life where you're  like can I touch you can I kiss you can I do this for some people that's a turn on for other people  it's a turnoff you have to know which bubble you're in and how you receive love and physical  affection for some people being asked can I kiss you is a total turnoff and we have to acknowledge  their right to exist and for some people it's like a relief oh thank you for asking me that means  so much to me thank you for asking me I don't know if you rememb

er but a few years ago lots of  people were upset with Disney movies because the princesses didn't consent to being kissed I think  that's fair that some people might feel that way I also think it's fair right that some people feel  another way so I think what's interesting is how we Define words can how we communicate consent  how we have these conversations and I think you need to know who you're dealing with and I don't  think people do I think we just kind of wing it and hope it turns out go

od you know what I mean  stealing my tits that's what I'm that's that was my [ __ ] story no he didn't ask if I wanted it uh  but somehow you know he had enough energy to ask the question are you ticklish which I responded  with no I'm not [ __ ] ticklish uh and that's what led to him feeling up my tits um he will never  understand uh that feeling when I realized this wasn't just a bunch of people hanging out on a  couch together a bunch of friends hanging out when it was inherently a sexual thi

ng and that instead  of just a bunch of friends on a couch together I was was being wanted for my body um so this could  be part of her asexuality but this idea of like he'll never understand what it's like um okay I'm  new to this community and I'm not really in it but George and and dream are incredibly sexualized  by their fan base no offense when you guys ship them together when you put them in compromising  situations even when they play it off in videos that is what sexual that that's what

H that's  what's happening so maybe I'm like the old person in the group but I'm pretty sure that's what that  means and then on top of that I listened to dreams recounting of the situation and the event and he  sounded pretty like that it wasn't sexual that he wasn't sexually active that night that everything  PR went pretty neutral so Katie's making a lot of assumptions about people's intentions that I  think is coming from her Distortion so I think she is mentally distorting things but that

doesn't  mean that it's not true in her head and it doesn't mean that there could have been a miscommunication  because of it and so I think again she does need take responsibility for how she's perceiving  things but it doesn't mean that she didn't perceive them that way so you can validate her  for perceiving that way and then let her know like hey I know you're feeling this way I know  it feels this way I know you know you have this evidence in your head but with peace and love that  wasn't h

is intention it was a mistake and I think there needs to be a real conversation about how  this occurred in the first place but I do think she's having a a distortion sort of uh something I  don't know you know what I mean I I I think that's everything she's saying makes a lot of sense if  you're operating under her Perce her perception you know what I mean mm says at what point is  setting a boundary a personal responsibility it's always okay setting a boundary is always your  responsibility a

boundary is only set by you so in this context when you're setting a personal  boundary it is always your responsibility it is no one else's responsibility to read your mind  or to have that kind of relationship with you now here's the thing you and I both know people that  love to have their minds read I even have friends in my life that go can you guess why you're  I'm upset with you no and it's just how people operate some people love when their relationships  guess how they're feeling some p

eople love having their minds read I don't and I don't think you  do but some people do and we have to validate those people without engaging so I always tell  my friends if you're mad at me you better tell me because I'm not playing a guessing game with  you okay I love you so much but it is very wrong to put me in a situation where I have to read your  mind about something you already know why you're mad at me just tell me and I've gotten this from  men and from women this is not a gendered th

ing I've literally had grown men and grown women  both tell me can you guess why I'm upset with you um no but I can see why you think someone  should do that but I'm not going to do that the boundary is for me I love you but I can't engage  in this kind of behavior I'm going to go and the sad thing is is that in a lot of situations  a lot of the world right it is operating off of guessing we are figuring it out we aren't  perfectly in the know we don't know things we just believe a lot we believ

e so much and we know  so little you know so we're making it it's going to be messy it's going to be complicated okay  um hu says difference between Katie and George is thator empathizes with Katie while Katie goes  full Attack Mode taking no accountability I 1,00% agree now this could be because George is a little  older this could be cuz Katie's younger it could be for a lot of things but absolutely George has  so much empathy and so much maturity in relation to the situation and Katie has non

e of those  things because she's probably 19 and doesn't have them yet she's young she feels incredibly  impacted she feels like this is what her life is it's very it's very common which is why she  would need somebody in her life that's a little older and a little bit more mature and someone  she could trust to be like he we need to have a conversation about validating your perception  but not going after George because I don't think he intended this right and I think that's so key  it's so key

again as somebody who's worked on her trauma as somebody who's in the healthier stage of  her life as somebody who's basically 35 right in a couple months I know so many of my past selves  like when I was in my 20s and in my teens I know what it's like to feel so much and to not have the  tools to you know dissect it and observe it and really meditate on it okay soner says 19 is grown  I just disagree I don't think 19 is grown I think there are 80-year-olds who aren't grown I think  grown is a

mindset grown is an understanding of self grown coincides with your physical age but  also your mental age I know so many adults who are not grown and 19 is C not a grown-up you're  barely even into adulthood and so again you can say 19 is grown and that's a valid perception  from your bubble I disagree now what yes she is of age yes she needs to be held to a adult  responsibility but certainly not a maturity level so again legally she's absolutely an adult and we  should pay attention to that b

ut obviously calling her a grown person sure maybe I don't agree um no  he would have never felt my uncomfort because he was too busy feeling something else that night  yeah she's definitely angry and I can see that she's angry I would love for someone to have the  right conversation with her about dismantling that anger um the amount of of miscommunication  misinformation that is spreading is one of the biggest reasons I feel like I just don't even  Captain says I still don't consider George or

dream grown people at by any metric I agree with  that I don't think they're grown when I look at them I go okay I feel like 20 years older than  these people I'm about 10 years older but I I'm much more grown and I'm still not even as grown  as my parents when I look at my parents I'm like oh they grown grown when I look at me I'm like  oh I'm grown but I'm not grown grown my parents are real adults like my parents are real mature  adults like in a lot of capacities and like the ways that matt

er right they all we all have  immaturity within us at all times in our life right until we die but my parents are like grown  grown I'm like grown and then like I feel like Katie and dream and Minecraft youtubers they're  like big kids a lot of people experience their 20s like grownup teenagers with money same into  adulthood so I just have a lot of leniency cuz I just see a lot of immaturity around me especially  in the streaming community I do think these things keep us young I feel so silly

and goofy half the  time because my job keeps me young I know that I'm grown outside of my job but I also know  that I'm not grown grown you know what I mean okay really have anything to say anymore because  I mean I was reading my own story on Twitter and I was reading it and I didn't even know it was my  story they were talking about until they said my name because of how skewed everything's gotten uh  that's normal that's normal right content creators that's just how it goes she's got to unde

rstand  like your story is never yours once you put on the internet the internet's going to decide who you  are I always tell the internet like if you hate me I wish you would hate me for who I really am  and not the version of me that lives in your head but the internet's just going to hate you for  the version of you in their head and you got to accept that as a content creator and if you can  handle that you better get off the internet sis you better get off the internet um it's like this  hu

ge game of telephone where each time it gets a little bit more off but no one's acknowledging  that they could have heard wrong and they're yelling what they heard as loud as possible okay  people saying I'm trying to ruin a man's career because he tickled me or like or especially he did  not rape me either like it's it's so important to hear what I'm saying um people getting their  info from Tik Tok comment sections like it is I think that's true and that's very normal I saw  a lot of people di

storting the facts I even saw YouTubers that I like and respect H getting the  facts wrong on exactly what happened but that's normal it's just it's going to happen right it  is insane and I half of me thinks it's CU they're not neurodivergent enough to hyperfocus and  research everything I have been listening to so much content in regards to this Twitter has been  sending me so many Clips so many things to listen to It's a lot and most people aren't going to take  the time to do it because that

's just how it is you know what I mean that's just how it is so I  really do encourage everyone to watch my response on it like either read my response now okay she  is trying to um playlist says I mean she's trying to ruin his career now okay she is trying to ruin  the career of someone she perceives as a predator that's true the question is is there a way for  Katie not to or for Katie to realize he's not a predator and can you sexually assault somebody  without intending to I would argue by e

veryone's definition of sexual assault in this conversation  yes if Katie is describing that that is sexual assault then I would say that I would say that you  can sexually assault somebody without meaning to which means it doesn't matter to some extent but  it could matter but it might not matter you know what I'm saying it depends on the context and if  sexual assault doesn't matter then what does that mean but obviously if you go around saying like  this person's sexually assaults people then

yeah you better destroy his career but also you better  be sure that that's what happened and that is the conundrum she's really sure something happened  that I'm not totally convinced happened now I know the touching happened I'm not convinced  it was sexual assault and that's the Dilemma are you destroying the career of a man who mistook  some signals and mistook social cues and are you ruining his life because of a misunderstanding  that's that's kind of cruel bro that's so cruel but also I

don't think Katie has anyone around her  to give her the wisdom and if she's only getting advice from people in her peer group it's going  to be even more confusion like it's even more confusing it it's just even more confusing if the  people in her peer group all agree with this how is she going to have the Nuance or the tools to  think of it differently like how is she even going to have that conversation you only know what you  know and that's all you know it's like think about conservatives

that think trans people are grooming  kids why do they think that cuz it's all they know if Katie only knows this how could she ever think  to know something else and you know what's even scarier is if conservatives realize trans people  weren't grooming kids and if Katie realized George didn't sexually assault her they would have to one  be embarrassed Two Face themselves three apologize and four pop a bubble that would transform how  they're processing reality and actually recognize like oh my

God I got something so horribly wrong  and most people 99% of the population is going to have a very hard time doing that introspection is  an incredibly big deal for people it changes your life it radically moves you as a person and most  people are perfectly fine being who they are so expecting Katie to be different than who she is  is like expecting Trump to be different than who he is why would they ever change when it doesn't  make sense in their bubble so on Twitter watch the original vid

eo I don't [ __ ] care if you can't  stand the fact that I'm and I did rewatch her video in full today cuz I just wanted to see if I  missed something or if maybe I misheard something and so I just I have that fresh in my mind as well  prior at least if you're going to say something if you're going to hate me that's fine watch my full  video and then choose to like it's just there's a lot I do there is something I'm fully owning up  to and and clearing up right now the screenshot uh that I my re

cent response on Twitter this is  the only kind of like response thing I'm going to give uh I will acknowledge that was a complete  miscommunication there's a screenshot I said was from his friend that wasn't there for the assault  mentioned our ages and acknowledged you know the situation was weird it's a real screenshot what I  got wrong and what was miscommunicated was who it was from it was actually from instead of the guy  who left or wasn't there for the assault it was from the girl who wa

sn't there for the assault who  wasn't there for the assault that's even weirder okay super chat from Kenzie thank you so much said  she said that people Hur her wrong according to her but she didn't tell her whole story just added  a few facts yeah I think that's the problem is that she she adding in the details of the assault  three three the third time around is pretty bad like that's pretty bad so she told the story  once she clarified in text messages and tweets and then now this is our thi

rd time and she's now  telling us more details I think that's see nobody in her life knew to give her advice on how to do  it is it a lie it just doesn't look good right and again I don't want to be mad at this 19-year-old  I see the way I'm I'm very lenient on people for making horrible mistakes based off of the only  tools they have in their Arsenal while still understanding that like hey you can't just do this  but I also think everybody in the situation has to be also mature and if people ta

ke away Georgia  sponsorships or stop working with George because of this I also think that's a fault on their end  for allowing Katie to to control the narrative when I think it's pretty clear to any mature adult  in the circumstance like hey this was obviously miscommunication I'm very sorry it happened we're  not going to stop working with George but the fact that they stopped working with him makes sense  from a brand perspective because like H this is too messy also George maybe isn't the m

ost like  self-aware person to stop interacting with these types of people but also Katie never would have  been there that night if she wasn't someone's like plus one and a friend of a friend so again  there's so much that plays into this where I'm sure everyone involved would have loved for that  night never to happen which I think says a lot but the fact that the grown mature adults in the  arena or allowing a lot of this to be twisted as a narrative I think is also where humans are at  right

now in terms of our socializing right like it's just where we are in terms of like terms  of you know what I mean it's I get it from a company's perspective but also I think it's sort  of like where we're at it is what it is right um spooky with the Super Chat let's go sprinkle  sprinkle thank you so much you know okay um which I acknowledge is frustrating that I got that wrong  and I didn't Real by the way they both got things wrong George got the brisban thing wrong with  the 21 and over thin

g she got the text message wrong people got things wrong and by the way I  love ab and preach but they even made a video with not the full information because there was  a follow-up video I don't think they watched in which they also said Katie lied about having The  Wristband on which I think we all thought until George clarified that actually was her friend so  we also like all spread misinformation because we didn't know any better so I'm glad that both her  and George were owning up to that

misinformation I think that actually means her and him and  Katie might actually just be good people who are severely under processing and miscommunicate  because of their own trauma and their own issues and their own knowledge like think about it  they're both admitting to fault they're both admitting to miscommunication they're both telling  the same story they they're just telling it from completely different perspectives because they  processed it literally differently and I think that happe

ns think about your own childhood how  do you and your parents have a different memory of your own life because you're seeing it from  a completely different perspective and then the question is what really happened well memory is  fickle studies show that memy is a very confusing thing so the confusing part is how do you move  on from an acknowledgement that it's not going to be perfectly remembered but at least we can  remember the part that we felt undignified or the part where we felt unhear

d or the part where  we felt like this impacted me severely mostly you want an acknowledgement and then you want to  move on because most people aren't out here being Predators most people are not trying to [ __ ]  come into your bedroom window at night if that was the case we'd have a very different Society now  depending on the bubble you're in that might be more likely in your area but generally speaking  obviously given the way things go at VidCon parties and things go with these social situ

ations  most people aren't out here getting ready to con you know connive their way into you know your  pants toast with the Super Chat says also her friends who bought brought a drunk girl who's just  graduated high school to a hotel room with a bunch of guys in their mid-20s are probably not capable  of giving her the wisdom she needs right now yeah probably [ __ ] not you know probably [ __ ] not  you know what I mean uh wait britty he didn't say that he didn't get info wrong I'm not sure wha

t  you mean by that but George in his first video did get information wrong and then Abba repeated  that information in comment sections cuz AB is a friend of mine and I saw it and he said she wore  a bracelet saying she was 21 and that was wrong so we all saw that in the first video George had  to make a correction on his second video about it so I don't know if you've watched as much uh he  absolutely got that wrong but he had to correct himself guys don't be simps George literally made  a cor

rection in his second video saying Hey I got this wrong it was someone in the group not Katie  so you know he absolutely had to correct himself you guys are wrong sorry realized I got it wrong  until after I posted it a long time a a long time after and obviously when I don't come out and say  oh I got that wrong when he's the one to come out and say she got that wrong it makes that into the  biggest deal um I got a message from the girl that actually sent the text and was like it was a  while a

fter I already posted my response and was like you kind of mixed up who the text was  from but I'm sure it won't be a big deal because it was only one of the minor things you said uh  and everything else you said in that response was way more important which obviously we see mm  says who got her drunk and watched it that's the real question they who initiated the problem  well the Dilemma is look it's pretty common and normal and even dream said this in a video he said  that um he said that look

it's not very uncommon for 18 year-old to drink or 17year olds or even  16-year-old right you guys are getting way too much I'm putting down a boundary you're arguing  semantics we're moving on we're moving on from the George who said what thing the fact that George  even had to corre correct it means that there was a miscommunication okay so chat everybody relax so  again okay um wait what was I saying [ __ ] I got distracted oh dream said that he's never been to  a party where people like go

up to the 18-year-old they're like okay you need to give me the beer  like you can't drink and that's true I've been to so many parties in my life like my whole life  and you you're not going to take the beer away from the 18y old you're not going to take it away  from the 16-year-old it's just like a weird it's a weird thing to go to a party and do that you  know what I mean but so I understand dream's perspective like why would dream tell Katie  not to drink she's an adult if she wants to make

that mistake she can make that mistake but  like no one's going to do that and I agree with dream in that regard like I'm not going to take  your drink away you know what I mean I appreciate the passion chat I appreciate the passion being  that was not the case but I do acknowledge and own up to the fact I completely was wrong about  that but again I'm saying even though it wasn't from his friend it was yet another person in the  hotel room that acknowledged the weirdness yes it wasn't from tha

t guy in the hotel room it was from  the girl in the hotel room like I still think the situ but didn't she say hold on I think I missed  that didn't she say who wasn't a witness to the assault so what is she even messaging her about  cuz it was only one of the minor things you said uh and everything else you said in that response  was way more important which obviously we seen that was not the case but I do acknowledge and own  up to the fact I completely was wrong about that okay but again I'm

saying even though it wasn't  from his friend it was yet another person in the hotel room that acknowledged the weirdness yes  it wasn't from that guy in the hotel room it was from the girl in the hotel room like I still think  the situ the screenshot it's not a fake screenshot as well it's a real screenshot I still think it  adds to the fact of you know people acknowledged it um yeah I mean to be fair it does ADD but it  also could mean nothing you know what I mean cuz like some people just che

ck in neutrally like if  my friends were cuddling with someone like hey guys are we going like will you just check in like  neutrally like hey guys you good is everybody okay you know what I mean is everyone feeling okay well  in that case like you know what I mean like you you could be okay and it could be fine right but  it doesn't mean that they necessar like they're checking in maybe because they saw something weird  or maybe because they just wanted to check in to say hey I just hope you're

okay and that's normal  that's okay right like that's kind of nor what I'm saying is like there could be a normal like hey  I'm just checking in you good yeah I'm good okay cool but also it could go the other way do you  know what I'm saying also the fact that I said I was freshly 18 which is something a lot of people  are mad yeah I think that's fine I think you guys were being weird about that I don't know everyone  was like britty Briny they kept saying freshly 18 I mean she was freshly 18 I

don't know why you're  being weird if you if a year ago dating [ __ ] her would have been illegal cuz she was underage then  she is freshly 18 I don't know why you're being weird about that okay I think you're like reading  into it too much she was technically freshly 18 about when in reality I was 18 and 5 months old  okay that's pretty freshly 18 guys I don't know why you're acting weird about it so 6 months ago  she would have been considered a minor and illegal to [ __ ] that's freshly 18 I

don't know why  you're being [ __ ] weird my bad uh what I meant to say in that original stream where I said I was  freshly 18 I said I was freshly 18 and just out of high school it makes him look like a groomer yes  for sure but I do again think that that is also true like she could have been freshly 18 and from  her perspective he's targeting her because of it or it's just actually a fact freshly 18 like you  know what I mean it could have been true either way right mantis says it's weird ber

ning because  it's coded language it's all coded language it's all perspective of of of of um bubbles right oh  my god did you see that guy the the um the Boy Scout leader he's gay and he works at a summer  camp for boys did you you guys see that you see how you see how someone can just say like yeah  why you saying it like that why are you saying it like that you're insinuating cuz he's gay and  working with boys it's bad but also right could be kind of worrying because you wouldn't put  male C

amp uh people in charge of girls so maybe there is something to that and then maybe there is  something to saying oh you're freshly 18 and maybe there's nothing to it I was on a panel once with  this person admitted they were dating somebody who was freshly 18 gasp okay and they knew it was  weird but they were 10 years older and they felt like they never connected with someone so much  in their life and I was like that's funny that you're with somebody who 6 months ago would have  been illegal

to [ __ ] I think it's weird but also I think it's pretty common in society because  it happens apparently all the time so I don't know saying freshly 18 is to indicate a power  dynamic I don't think that's weird from a girl who feels she was assaulted like I don't know why  you're acting like that's a weird thing to say she already feels like she's assaulted the freshly 18  part is to indicate the weirdness in the same way if I was talking about an age Gap relationship I'd  be like why are you

25 years older than that girl you're [ __ ] because it's weird but also she's  an adult she can consent to it so again like is it that weird is it that weird again put your  brain in her brain put your brain in her brain empathize with her and then decide how she got  there and then dismantle it same with George put your brain in his brain then figure out how  he got there and then dismantle it was I was 18 and freshly out of high school I just put it in  front of the wrong thing and also he did

n't know her age which is true so it doesn't matter from  George's perspective it just Matters from Katie's Katie's perspective not George's because she says  he knew her age but I don't think he did and from his saying he didn't I believe him but this is  from her perspective remember we're trying to get into her head right and I do acknowledge that uh  but once again I feel like the idea is still the same whether it's freshly 18 or freshly out of  high school because I had just graduated a few

weeks earlier the idea is still there it's still  there and these are the things I'm sorry I do get mantis says I mean she wanted to appear more  innocent to make him look more predatory guys she thinks she's been okay so either you are accusing  Katie of being incredibly manipulative or you were denying the fact that she could have perceived  this a sexual assault she I believe she 100% believes this a sexual assault 1,000% believes  it and that's the question the question isn't if she's lying

or being manipulative because you  don't know that you can't know if Katie is being manipulative any more than you could know George  predatorz and targeted Katie how would you know that Katie is doing this to [ __ ] with George  any more than George didn't Target Katie right like you don't know that don't read her mind  just CU that's your bias I don't know if George targeted Katie I don't know if Katie is targeting  George so instead I'm going to actually see them from their obvious point of

views which is she  genuinely feels like she's sexually assaulted he genuinely feels like it was consensual and that is  the more likely story than any conspiracy theory I've heard out there okay it is actually probably  more likely that that is what's true okay and if that's the case both of those things can be true  at once but we cannot read these people's minds frustrated with that because people are mad  at me saying that I'm a liar because of these things instead of acknowledging the fact

that he  [ __ ] admitted to doing what he did to me like and we're worried about the fact that I was I said  I was freshly 18 when I meant to say I was freshly out of high school re says she can believe it and  still make it sound worse on purpose well I think that's also a point of human beings try to protect  themselves the best right like human beings do try to protect themselves so George will try to  protect himself and make himself look the best and she will try to protect herself and make

her look  the best and I think if you're denying that you're being in incredibly biased and that's so human of  you but there's no way that both George dream and Katie didn't try to make themselves look the best  possible and if you don't believe that then you're denying your own proclivities to do the same no  reasonable rational person would tell the story and not in some way make themselves look better  that's just not how humans work you know it's just it I'm again and now she is saying the

  reason why people think she's being manipulative not saying I do but many do is because her friend  group has been proven to be so now that is more than possible but George and you know why I'm  being soft on Katie or softer is because George told me to be George told me in his video and I  believe him that he doesn't think Katie is being malicious but he does think her friends are  and I believe George so if you believe George you should [ __ ] listen to him and I agree  with him I think Kati

e is genuinely having a moment and lots of people are taking advantage  of her in this moment and I do think her friends are probably being intentionally unintentionally  probably pretty malicious but George said don't go after Katie he said hey I think she is being  manipulated by her friends and so I'm I'm going to take that into consideration that doesn't mean  we can't hold Katie accountable that doesn't mean we can't have a conversation about George that  doesn't mean that doesn't mean that

doesn't mean I just I shouldn't be getting frustrated but  um it's just upsetting seeing him admit to it um and that not being enough um and for the people  saying he was drunk too so he didn't consent I didn't [ __ ] feel up his tits what did he not  consent to I would like to make it clear there was no reciprocation in any sexual act the sexual act  that happened was not reciprocated um it's it's so that's a that's a so that's a very logical point  but it's not a very nuanced point so when pe

ople say he also didn't consent we're saying there's  a possibility of doing things when drunk that you don't realize it's happening because you're  drunk like taking keys and driving a car which is why you don't get like murder charges you get  manslaughter right so she's right that nothing happened to him but his body and what he does  drunk could also be part of the alcohol right and so that's what I think is important here  is like when you're drunk you do stupid [ __ ] okay sometimes you fo

rget the sink is running  sometimes you put something in the oven and forget it's there sometimes you're touchy feely  with people in a way way you shouldn't be because you're drunk and then people have to be like hey  don't get drunk if you can't control yourself you know what I mean also do not repeat comments in  my chat it really [ __ ] ticks me so I if I see one more comment I've seen the same comment four  times already if I see it another time I'm going to ban you it's the same verbatim i

f you're  copying and pasting your comments I'm going to ban you thank you okay so see that's what Katie  should have done George don't touch me I like you but don't touch me okay you're a nice friend don't  touch me but she can't because having that tool is one your personality but two the relationship  you're having with communication right better with the Super Chat says why do you ban anyone  who disagrees with you don't don't don't be a [ __ ] okay don't be a [ __ ] now see now you  will be

banned see I will not tolerate this I'm working very hard here to be very nice but don't  troll me Bros that's a troll comment why are you Banning anyone who disagrees with you don't don't  be a big [ __ ] okay so again with peace and love okay hold on I got to ban this person cuz theyve  repeated the same comment like seven times Jesus you're so annoying okay let's keep going the  only thing he could have not consented to was him putting his own hand on my tit oh this is the  same argument for

autism and or divergency when we say oh I wonder if they did that because they're  autistic we're saying that because they did it they were drunk or autistic they didn't have the  same intentionality as somebody who isn't do you get what I'm saying it's not to make an excuse  It's actually to say out loud like oh they did that because they're autistic meaning they didn't  mean to be rude it's just that's how their brains process information so like why didn't that  girl hugg me back oh she's sh

e has autism oh what so she can't hug people well some people  with Autism don't like to be touched oh so what like she doesn't think I'm good enough to touch  and it's like no you're making this about you and we're saying their autism tends to be over like  they don't want to be over stimulated so touching you is over stimulation it's like people don't get  it same with being drunk we're not saying George we're saying because George was drunk he might  have misread social cues because George mi

ght be autistic he might have misread social cues  we're saying instead of Assuming he's a villain and instead of assuming he's a villain he might  just be misunderstanding something which to be fair to Katie she seems to be misunderstanding  something you see how I'm trying to be so nice to Katie in the same way I'm being so nice to  George and it's because there's obviously a misunderstanding as an almost 35-year-old woman I  am telling you right now these misunderstandings will happen they wi

ll continue to happen you know  how many of my conservative friends and family will be like do you hate me because you won't  vote Republican I'm like can you please stop making this about you but people do that because  there's a misunderstanding they make it about them and I cannot fault them humans seem to be  this way humans going to human as we say on this channel I didn't touch him after that I didn't  touch him sexually before that there was nothing for him to content or consent to sexual

ly um I  understand that could be an argument not for this situation good point but she forgot the actual  reason we're saying he's drunk which is what I meant right the way I explained it she's making a  good point but see it's not a fully formed thought because she doesn't know so I hope she watches my  video and hears me say that because that's what we're talking about um the hypocrisy that has  surrounded this situation is [ __ ] insane I'll get into just the blame o great question darange 

says how possible is it to get Katie to see things from George's perspective and that it might have  been a misunderstanding okay I wonder this too because this is where I think I excel in my work  is that if I can understand a person and see them a little bit I usually can communicate them in  this way I think if I talked to Katie alone and she understood that like I fully validate her  perception but also let's talk about dismantling and making sure our perception is 1,000% accurate  to the be

st of our ability I think that that's that it will tell me I don't know right now we're  not seeing a Katie that's alone we're not seeing a Katie that's not filtered through her friends  we're not not seeing a Katie that I think has all the tools the fact that she didn't give another  example during that example of drunk George means she doesn't have all the tools so I think if I  gave her the tools then I would know but I I just don't know what she's capable of figuring out and  look most adult

s aren't reminder that like all of us only know what we know so I wonder what her  response would be if she knew something more but she's certainly not going to get it from haters  on the internet and no offense if you're writing her bad messages if you're writing her that she's  a bad person she doesn't need to listen to you she should block you if you are leaving mean comments  and Katie's threads she should block you why in the world would anyone listen to you if that's the  way you give crit

icism is to tear somebody down is to insult them then like yeah she doesn't need to  listen to you and that's it you know so hopefully she is somebody who she respects or is within  reason who can talk to her and they can give each other better tools me uh that is insane [ __ ] um  but the hypocrisy and same with George everyone who's writing him horrible messages saying he's  a groomer or a bad person he should ban them of I just can't do anything uh in this situation I mean  I came about it ou

t about it publicly and I was called an attention seeking [ __ ] so then yeah  if anyone called this woman an attention seeking [ __ ] Like I think I don't think I think less of  you I do like fine I privated all my things so I couldn't receive followers receive clout you know  I couldn't grow from this I've privated everything so I can't gain that uh and then I'm told I'm  hiding uh from everything and that I should go public I don't I don't know what I'm supposed to  do I cry on my stream beca

use I'm scared and I'm talking about my assault I cry and then I'm told  I'm embarrassing that I'm doing it for attention that I'm a Pik me that I'm dramatic but if I sat  there and I didn't cry I know I would have been called a liar so she's right no matter what she  did she never would have pleased everyone which is why you can't do that as a content creator she  should never have thought guys it does there are people here that think Bill Cosby wasn't a rapist  or Weinstein wasn't a rapist you

can have that belief system whatever they're both imprisoned  for the or were imprisoned for their CME okay fine and by the way you can come back maybe  there's some Redemption there probably not okay but like yeah she of course that's the problem  she's she doesn't get that no matter what she said the internet would have found a reason to  hate her because that's how it is that's that's the chore of being a content creator the worst  part about being a content creator is like no matter what yo

u say someone will find a reason  to hate you for it and you got to be okay with it you got to block them and move the [ __ ] on  okay so she's right but also okay she might be missing some context here heartless you know a  sociopath you can't do anything right in these situations and it's [ __ ] insane the only  thing she could have done that was more right is probably not bring it to the internet until  she talked to a professional like a therapist or somebody who could guide her and by the w

ay  even though your therapist says probably don't talk about it online even grown-up adults still  do it even people in their 30s and 40s go against what their therapist recommends and post their  [ __ ] online cuz I feel like it's their story to tell um for people saying take legal action do  you know the odds of winning an assault case like there's a reason there's a one out of three girls  are assaulted in their lives okay there's a reason so many of them don't come out of one in 20 boys  ar

e also assaulted at least in Australia I think so boys also get assaulted but yes like I think  she's right she probably wouldn't get a legal case taking it to the cops makes no sense but  also I think that this also wouldn't make sense to the cops because of all of the circumstances  involved it would have been thrown out because of the details right not because it because again  like if a judge or a jury saw all the context it sounds you can have it be sexual assault in her  bubble and not hav

e it be something that gets legally pushed right cuz again guys like we break  people's consent all the time for their betterment doctors hold you down and give you medication  that you don't want because they know you need it even if you and your state of mind don't know  it like we send kids to bed whether they want to go to bed or not like we have things like I said  legally spitting on someone as assault but like even if you're in the bedroom with someone you  could be with your spouse and d

ecide the sex you had yesterday was consensual But the Sex  you have today isn't whether it's true or not and the reason it's so difficult to figure this  out in court is because it's a he said she said or he said he said she said she said it is very  difficult and what's more than that even with all of the details She lays out it gets even more  complicated because there was drinking involved and there was Witnesses and no one stopped  anything it just looks bad for everybody involved it just l

ooks bad and probably because it  could have been solved with a oh actually I'm not into that oh my bad because look if she had said  hey George I'm not into that and then George said well [ __ ] you [ __ ] and did it anyways well  first of all that's crazy then there's a Witnesses who either were going to let it happen or not and  then everybody's in trouble you know what I mean and given the circumstance Katie had opportunities  to leave she could have left at any moment at any time could have

said her stomach hurt hurt could  have said she's too drunk could have said anything and she never chose to leave even when her friends  left now the details of that are getting a little blurred so I'm not sure exactly what happened but  ultimately court systems are they're not going to do much with a case like this I mean we can't  even figure out this case so again it sounds like they both had a perception of what happened  that night and both are pretty valid through their perception But ult

imately if George did not  intend to sexually assault her if that wasn't his intention then I think we need to move on and we  need to say then it was a miscommunication and it was a problem that is going to continue to happen  because it's just how life goes it's just how life goes there's going to be miscommunications and  you don't have to internalize this as the worst thing ever for the rest of your life because it  wasn't his intention now if you can prove to me it was his intention to Targ

et her or he's got  some sort of like reputation for doing this to people over and over and over again then maybe we  could have that conversation about this the system you would like to believe that it's always for you  the amount of [ __ ] Injustice that happens with our system is insane it's absolutely insane it is  insane it's true and you sit here and see someone come out about their story and your immediate  thing is well take it up with the law like that will serve any justice what is Jus

tice I think  that's a really difficult question I think Justice would be um for the most reality to be understood  but I don't think that's going to happen because everyone is too heated and too emotional about  the circum the circumstance even the viewers um so [ __ ] you um um now obviously I can understand  her anger in this one she's done the crying one already so now she's in her anger I can understand  that perspective people even just the hypocrisy of people not being able to watch my vi

deo me coming  out about my assault but being able to hear it from his mouth yeah but then vice versa right she  didn't look up his video but she wanted people to watch hers I think there's a problem there uh  but they don't want to watch mine because I'm too dramatic and because I'm crying too much yeah  I agree I think if you didn't watch either of their videos you should shut your [ __ ] mouth or  say out loud I didn't watch both those videos uh but they'll watch his uh I think it's insane th

e  amount of people telling me how I felt that night the amount of people telling me how I felt or the  amount of yeah I think that's [ __ ] I don't think you can tell people how they feel right CU like  it's a feeling it's happening right I think her feelings are valid they're not always reasonable  feelings are always valid because they're happening they're not always reasonable that's a  very spec specific distinction she's making the mistake of my feelings are valid therefore they're  reason

able and I'm saying just because your feelings are valid doesn't mean they're reasonable  that doesn't mean her feelings didn't occur it didn't mean she wasn't afraid it didn't mean she  wasn't anxious it didn't mean any of those things people believe which is why George and dream both  apologized to Katie because they acknowledged she felt that way even if they disagreed that it  wasn't reasonable which is why dream and George look very well respected in this situation  because they're literall

y saying like like they're literally saying well yeah like we can  understand how she felt that way that obviously wasn't Our intention that's kind of wonderful  to see somebody say that you know from his mouth how I felt instead of just [ __ ] hear hearing me  say how I felt it's insane it's insane um and the fact that if I have inconsistencies in my story  which I do and I'm not going to say I don't I'm like remembering the night of my assault and I'm  sorry but the thing that I really remembe

red is the assault I didn't remember you know like  if a person who wasn't there for the assault left at a certain time I'm I remembered my so I  will acknowledge that there are inconsistencies but when I have inconsistencies in my story and I  address them and I acknowledge it my whole story is out it's in the trash yeah I would love for her  I hope she gets to it that she responds you know cuz look sometimes victims of assault will pretend  it didn't happen and will keep talking to their assau

lters because they don't want because again  like people who perpetrate abuse don't always think of themselves as abusers most of the time  they don't so it's very easy to keep being around your abuser because they're sort of a part of them  that you love right a part of them that's like a person like with Shelby and Wilbur like there's a  part of Wilbur that she probably really loved but overall I think he was pretty [ __ ] toxic and  therefore by proxy like pretty abusive and then she was toxi

c enough to stay in the relationship  and Katie was toxic enough to think that she could handle this situation without really taking  responsibility for her actions and you know all of them are all pretty young and silly and  immature and you know what I there's so much that goes into this so a part of me is like it's  going to be messy that's what your youth is for it's for being [ __ ] messy that's why when adults  are this messy moving forward you're like why are you still so messy into your

30s and 40s dude you  shouldn't be this messy into your 30s and 40s but I do kind of expect this messiness from people  in their 20s and younger cuz you're learning you know you're learning you're learning how to be  an adult you're learning boundaries your brain is forming you're learning who you are but yeah  if you're still this to your 30s and 40s that's interesting that's interesting and I'm seen as  a liar for inconsistencies but when he has an inconsistency or when you know even the 21 Br

ee  band thing saying I had a band that said I was you know when he has an inconsistency and I but he  he he took responsibility for that inconsistency and he corrected himself just like she took the  responsibility but of course women generally get more hate on the internet and large ER I don't  think you can deny that George has more support than she does I think right now from everything  I've seen on the internet I've seen more support for George than for her so I would say he's doing  fairl

y well in comparison but also it's because people are also personally emotional about these  situations look I've been falsely accused by a woman it sucks and it sucks when it comes from a  woman cuz you're like what are you doing there's lots of reasons people do it and it's mostly a  problem with them eles even if you do everything right you can still get raped even if you do  everything right you can still be falsely accused and that is the dangerous part about being alive  or being a person

or socializing it [ __ ] sucks and it is just the reality of being an adult in  the world so that's why you have to do your due diligence which is why in my 20s I learned all  of those [ __ ] lessons so I could be better in my 30s and 40s The Dilemma is that most people  don't learn those lessons or like you're just going to double down and keep it going anyways  so anyways when you're young learn your lessons so you can be better as adults this is why I say  like she's not a grown-up she's only

19 19 is not grown she legally can't even like drink or like do  everything that an illegal adult can do she can't even [ __ ] run for president bro okay grown means  grown means grown and I'm not even grown grown I'm just grown but I'm not even grown grown my parents  are grown grown you feel me prove it wrong have video footage of it it's still used against me to  this day his inconsistencies are taken as the holy [ __ ] Grail and as the truth even when proved  wrong and when I have an incons

istency my whole [ __ ] everything I've said uh is gone it's just  the way I've been treated is [ __ ] insane and I'm not afraid to say it look Mo some of the biggest  content creators in the space are all defending George just in terms of numbers George absolutely  is getting more more support than Katie George might have gotone massive hate on your side of  the internet but in terms of numbers and maybe you're great you guys are missing it because  you're not in any of the communities I'm in a

smin came out in defense of him Papa gut Destiny  Abba and preach these are people with millions of views they all came out in defense of George  ultimately in terms of numbers no matter how much you want to play this I doubt KD is have  huge players defending her in this way though she could and maybe I'm missing it I'm waiting  to see but like some of the biggest streamers are literally coming out to support George so he  lost some things he definitely had some problems but in my space on the

internet I've seen nothing  but hate for Katie right now obviously Mr Beast removing George from his sponsorships makes sense  because that's a business deal at the end of the day Mr Beast has millions of dollars on the  line and no offense to George he's not worth wor protecting that's a business decision I don't  know how Mr be Beast feels as a person right so if you're on a space on Twitter like in a bubble  where you never see support for George I'm in a bubble where I'm only seeing support

for George  and hate for Katie so just you know keep that in mind we're all seeing different things it's  [ __ ] insane shout out Tom fullery in the chat bubbles let's go because I do acknowledge I have  inconsistencies you know if George's close friends left him over this I'm not sure how close of a  friend they were but also if you're a person who doesn't have friends with you know look I have  an inner circle that even if they did the most horrific crimes I would turn them into the cops  and

visit them in prison not everybody cares about their friends in that way so if George's friends  left him over this then that's probably good for George in my opinion in my opinion no uh but  it is um anyways and I also understand the idea that we have different point of views obviously  we're going to have different point of views of that night otherwise what happened wouldn't have  happened um I don't understand believing the one point of view over the other and again even the  fact that we ha

ve different point of views the one thing we agree on the one thing that we agree on  is the fact that he touched me and didn't ask if I was okay with it that's what interesting okay what  I came out about and that's what he agreed with I know I know people that think president  Trump when he touched women in in the um pageants is a sexual assaulter but Bill Clinton  who was president giving having oral sex done to him by an intern wasn't a sexual predator do  you understand that I know grown ad

ults who believe President Trump is a sexual predator but  Bill Clinton President Bill Clinton isn't hold on running out of moisture oh my God hello because that's how  their bubble perceives favoritism they trust Bill Clinton so he's not a predator they don't  trust Trump he's a predator isn't that interesting right Raiders cat M for 15 months that's how does  Indiana think what does Indiana think about all this Indiana thinks the internet is bubbling hard  bro okay so for Katie she's right Geo

rge touched her George is saying he did and I'm saying both  of these things are true but unless he intended to Predator IE her unless he intended to hurt  her unless he intended to literally harm her then it was a miscommunication and this is  why miscommunication hurts because it it it it breaks the barrier of expectation of behavior  right it is true that Katie could felt could feel like this is sexual assault and George could  feel like it wasn't and that's why I'm saying because he didn't i

ntend to Target her because he  didn't intend to harm her he made a mistake and she didn't speak up and correct him he was under  no obligation to ask her prior she's under no no well she shouldn't assume that okay bubbles differ  in some bubbles you ask consent before touching and in some bubbles you don't ask for consent  with verbalization you go to one base two base three base four base you have to know which bubble  you're in this is like I'm so sorry like this is so important both of these

things are true he  touched Katie she got touched but unless he was targeting her he misread the signals which means  that's a great opportunity to say oh George I I'm not into this and he's like oh my God my bad and  again if George in that situation situation went I don't care [ __ ] then there's a problem okay  so like again with peace and love this is normal this is adulting adulting is realizing like we're  not all the same your reality is in other people's realities your bubble is in othe

r people's bubbles  do you know in some places the drinking age is 16 the age of con consent is 14 the age of consent is  12 it's not great you and I might disagree but the world doesn't revolve around you Karen so again  it is possible for Katie to have been touched without her consent and it's possible for George  to not have intended to do this to her and this is what I think actually happened so it is on both  of them to recognize and realize okay next time don't touch me like that I didn't

like it and  next time George make the decision to decide if he's going to ask prior which I recommend I would  recommend to George who might be autistic and not being you know couldn't read body language to  say hey um can I touch you that might be a tool George wants to utilize he doesn't have to because  not everyone around the world works like that but Katie is making it sound like objectively everyone  is a horrible sexual predator if they make a move and it's wrong and I'm saying I don't a

gree I  think a sexual predator is a sexual predator and I think most humans are little evolved animals  who are taught to hit on women and men sometimes incorrectly because they're in a different [ __ ]  bubble if you go to church yeah you might want to ask a woman's father before taking her out on a  date if you live in a secular bubble what does her father have to do with anything everybody  works differently I mean it's I don't know um oh and again the fact of him saying I painted him  in a

bad light I'm talking about my assault I'm not going to paint it in a [ __ ] rainbows and  sunshine lights I'm saying I used word choices that painted him bad but then he says stuff like  oh we cuddled before cuddling can be taken and I watched it be taken in and ran with he says we  cuddled and people are like you can't get mad at what he did to you because you were lying on  top of him and all up on him before it happened I wasn't we were on a couch sitting sitting up  sitting up okay we were

all on a couch everything and anything you could consider cuddling I saw  that as a friendly like drunk what you do with your friends I was doing it with my best friend  that was right next to me as well you know she's right she's right I that's what I'm saying I think  you need to validate her perspective and then we need to say oh my God it was a [ __ ] mistake and  I'm so sorry that's why George said I'm so sorry because it was a mistake like she he literally had  no intention of targeting he

r it was a mistake and I hate to tell you this but guys at the end of the  day like okay I'll give you an example my friend who's in their her 30s went out on a date with a  millennial they're both Millennials she came home they got to the front door he kissed her good  night and she goes Brittney I'm really [ __ ] upset I was like why and she goes he kissed me  good night and didn't ask for my consent I was like why would he ask for your consent she  goes what do you mean I was like you're in a

very Progressive bubble where they ask for consent  beforehand right and she was like yeah and I was like okay he is in a small conservative town where  you've just moved to why would he be trained to ask for consent when every movie he's ever watched  every TV show every cultural expectation is that he kisses you after the date and she was like oh  yeah and I was like yeah different bubbles dude he kisses you at the end of the night because he  thinks that's good manners you think he should as

k before he kisses you also good manners I think  both of these things is true now I get called psycho or I get complimented because I'm always  like would you like to have sex with me and people are like whoa I can't believe you just came out  and and I'm like well I just figured it'd be the easiest way to like not miscommunicate but most  people not most people some people in different bubbles they want you to sort of like get closer  and touch a hand and move up up an arm and move towards a b

reast and maybe move down towards  they want it to be secret and slow and sensual that's okay too right now I'm a person who comes  from a bubble that was super super Conservative Republican Catholic then I left that bubble and  Trav TR to Seattle where I was in nudus parades and nudus clubs BDSM dungeons I was having sex  with my friends I was cuddling with my friends we were doing platonic and sexual or it just  depended on the negotiation I was doing sexual BDSM and and platonic BDSM and I wa

s doing all of  these I was sharing with my friends platonically I was experiencing all of these different cultures  all of these different Bubbles and my brain was being blown at how different the world could be if  people just realized it but then I realized like people sometimes like the status quo sometimes  they like the way things are for some of my female friends they will never ask a man out they're like  I am never pursuing a man a man must pursue me for me I slid into my husband's DMs

I was like Hey  girl little anime gift I was like hey girl I think we could get along boom married for me I always  ask a guy out I always ask a girl out what am I waiting for hell to freeze over but for some of  my female friends they refuse to ask men out fine we're different everybody is different Katie  is making a mistake thinking everybody is how she perceives them to be and I think that's the  mistake she's making and it's probably a mistake she's making because of her friends and her bub

ble  right she's probably thinking yeah like what guy would just touch my boob without asking well lots  of people because asking verbally is only one way to get consent he made a mistake but also I can  understand your worry that he's a predator cuz it's scary but also you would know if he was a  predator if you said hey don't do that and he said okay my bad or if he said I'm going to do  it anyways right so don't read people's minds communicate the best of possible George maybe I  would recomm

end start asking beforehand but also for some people they're going to get turned off  George might be rejected in the future if he goes hey can I kiss you and someone's like I'm not  into that some people don't like like it some people like it and I think again we all have  to remember like no one's living the same no one has the same culture the same expectation  and that's just what it is that's just what it is um and again I believed any touches were  more initiated by him but again that's ju

st hearsay again uh but just using words like that  it can be taken and ran with it wasn't anything sexual and I still I believe it was pretty tame uh  you know uh I didn't by the way St George should have known better as interesting because I think  the older you get the less likely you would know better because older Generations didn't date  this way right so like the older you are the less you'll be up to date with what younger people  are doing in terms of consent so if you're dating somebod

y older they are more my older friends are  less likely to get STI tested they're less likely to use contraceptives they're less likely to ask  for consent verbally and that's just because they from a different generation so people think I'm  like oh you're so young and modern Britney asking for consent beforehand I'm like uhhuh but then  so if you're older you probably will L you'll know less than more and also if you're younger  you'll probably know the modern way of doing things but you'll ne

ver understand that older  people do it different so I don't know George being 26 27 I'm not sure if he comes from that  version of consent culture and also it's it's uh I've had so many YouTubers doubt me I've had so  many people say like you cannot like that's not true that's not how things happen that's not how  things work but like it it it is how things work in different places not every the world doesn't  revolve around you again you know again believe that it was an invitation for anythin

g sexual or  that it would lead to anything sexual especially it being in front of a bunch of people um so she's  caveat all these things which I think makes sense like especially in front of all these people why  would he do that I don't know in my partying 20s days again in my bubbles like we honked a honked  everyone's boobs we were very loud we slapped each other we kissed each other we cuddled we fell  asleep together in the bed we all never [ __ ] or some of us [ __ ] not of us it just dep

ended on  the friend group I've been in so many different friend groups and they're all so fun but they were  drama filed and silly and people made mistakes and it was just like H what are you going to do and  yeah some people made false accusations and then a year later admitted they lied because they  were ashamed of having sex in the first place yeah when you involve your life with other  people [ __ ] gets messy so be careful who you involve yourself with for the people saying  I'm an attent

ion seeker I think genuinely when people come out about these kind of things um  is insane that people believe that anyone who you are an attention seeker we all are people  who are not attention Seekers shut their [ __ ] mouths if you want to speak out against a predator  you should be an attention seeker what people mean by attention seeker is you want attention you  don't deserve or you want attention in a way that I think is bad but I think that's kind of  crazy to say like oh I want attenti

on that I think is bad but she is asking for attention and I  think if she genuinely thinks she's dealing with a predator it could make sense that she wants that  attention so she can warn people The Dilemma is that she's warning people against somebody that  I just don't think is a predator I think it's somebody who made a genuine mistake and look  I have a deep deep fear that I'm going to be somehow promoting a predator or I'm going to be  making a misjudgment I just don't think George is a pr

edator out of all the douchebag guys I know  I don't think it's him actually I saved a video to show you an example you know a lot of people  brought up the age Gap and they kept saying like she's freshly 18 he's 26 blah blah blah I want to  show you a different bubble of age Gap and which I would be consider like I would think this guy  is a red flag but George isn't so George there is okay okay I think I tell my male friends don't  date women who are 18 19 20 if you're over the age of 22 25 22

25 depends okay but if you're at like  I know a guy who's like 283 dating an 18-year-old and I'm like don't do this but they're like well I  get along with her and we have the same Hobbies I know cuz you're a child you're a grown man who's  a child cuz you're not grown grown I get it but don't do this but they do it because that's their  maturity level I know people are in their 40s 50s 60s dating people who are 25 because they have  a lot in common fine not all of them are these like Predators

but you know who gave me a super  red flag feeling was this guy right here when I first saw this guy I was like oh I have like super  red flag feelings about this guy okay listen to the way he talks about his age Gap relationships  listen to this what's your age 43 are you single I'm single at 43 what's the youngest girl you  date I mean I wouldn't date anybody less than 18 I wouldn't date anyone less than 18 all these  men in this menos spere and the misogyny bubbles who are like girls 18 are

the best freshest [ __ ]  18 to 22 ew I wouldn't even date a woman over 25 yeah all those guys super red flags do you hear  George saying those things no yeah 18 so 18 is the youngest you'd go yeah you don't see any  issues with that having that much of an age Gap no she can join the military she can buy a gun she  can smoke a cigarette she can traveling into the world she's an adult she's an adult that that  can go to college be free travel the world now even if this is fake it doesn't matter I

know real  men in real life who have the same opinion right the same opinion dead serious and do it they are  men in their 40s 50s 60s who are willing to date 18year olds and then I want to give you guys  a new a different bubble perspective this is a bubble of age Gap relationships that the cut  interviewed and these couples are okay so here it goes okay look this couple is uh 27 and 55 she  was 24 when they got together and he was 52 when they got together right so she was 22 when she was  da

ting a guy who was 5 no 24 and 52 crazy age Gap I definitely think there's a red flag there I  think there's a red flag there I think it says so much but she's an adult and she can consent  to it but look at the way they talk about their relationships have you ever this couple is uh 30  and 58 so the younger girl is 30 and the older girl is 58 58 felt our age difference is under 30  I raise an eyebrow after 30 I don't care what your age Gap is like you're an adult adult figure it  out right you'

re not grown grown but you're adult enough figure it out but before 30 I'm very like  hesitant to be a fan of of age Gap relationships right but lots of people have stories about age  Gap relationships internationally globally age Gap relationships are pretty common age Gap  relationships are just a thing now again I'm all about a 5ye 10 year age Gap like what's the  big deal but also if the person's old enough like I'm 35 in May if I was with a 25-year-old right  now I'd be like what the [ __ ]

they would feel like my child like I couldn't even imagine but  for some people that's not weird to them for me it would feel like I was taking advantage of  that person cuz I don't even know how I wouldn't take advantage of a 25-year-old with all of my  lived experience with everything I know about the world not that I would want to take advantage  of them but I would look at them like a kid I would treat them like a child cuz I I would just  think like you're 25 like we're we're both adults a

nd maybe we could do something casual maybe I  trust you to consent in some ways but to have a relationship to make you my partner and crime  I don't know bro my partner for Life see I think with age Gap situations you could have really  amazing consensual short-lived lover ships I think you could be lovers I think you could do  a lot of things without there being malicious intent but to grow with somebody in that age Gap I  feel like that would be weird like I couldn't even imagine that I just

feel like I would probably  be more disrespectful than necessary because I would just be like you're 25 like I didn't know  [ __ ] at 25 you know what I mean but everyone's different as well so for me not the greatest  thing for you might work out so Katie saying I'm 18 I'm freshly 18 and he's 26 yeah for some  people perfectly fine for other people they're like why you doing that like why are you doing  that and again it's just dependent now if they had said they just had sex at night I actuall

y  probably would have been like oh yeah that makes sense but if they said oh yeah we have a lot  in common I'd be like whoa why is a 26-year-old have a lot in common with an 18-year-old you  know what I mean Emanuel says did you get to the asexual part well apparently she's asexual we  started off with that you know and and onat says isn't that a little condescending though I said  what I said okay a condescending to the younger person you know I just everyone's different  but I never read a 25

-year-old that I felt like I related to in a deep deep fully way you  know what I mean but if you relate to them you do you you know what I mean that's what I'm  saying like I'm not telling you what to do I'm just telling you why I wouldn't do it but you do  you again I might have sex with someone who's 25 but I'm not going to build a life with you like  what the [ __ ] do you know about life but also if you think your 25-year-old knows something  about life cool that's fine I just don't want to

do it again who cares what Briny thinks the  question is why do you think something why does Katie think it's wrong for an 18-year-old and a  26-year-old to do anything together son says what about 40 and 55 I don't care after 30 I don't  care if a 30-year-old is with a 70-year-old I don't care about any age Gap anything after 30  I don't care about anything after 30 I'm talking about only if the people are under 30 so I do not  care about anything that happens after someone is the younger pers

on is 30 okay I don't think I  don't care okay the 18-year-old can take care take advantage of the 40-year-old well any and by  the way age anyone can take advantage of anyone the question is finding out if that happens right  anyone can take advantage of anyone if you watch true crime or if you look at Psychology like NPR  episodes about children even children can try to kill their own parents and they're six so like  those are interesting cases of like it's very an anomaly but it's very intere

sting so anyone could  try to murder somebody anybody could try to take advantage of somebody anybody could do anything  it's just what are you actually dealing with in the context you're dealing with it in and that's  what I'm saying it's not about black and white for me it's like what's the con what's the situation  what are the facts what's actually happening okay this is my opinion I'm not going to black and  white it for you I'm not going to say oh my God being in an age Gap relationship is

always toxic  I'm going to say from my understanding I feel like it's probably always toxic for somebody under 20  to be with someone over 40 I'm open to be proving wrong I can be proven wrong but I haven't seen it  yet under 20 and over 40 sounds pretty suspicious but everyone's got an opinion who has genuinely  came out about a true story uh that has happened to them they know that this attention is the  worst attention you could possibly she should have be she it is the worst attention and u

h as  a victim or Survivor myself I think I would have recommended for her not to tell anybody unless  she had a good reason why she was doing it and the problem is nobody was sure why she did it  and I think that that was the problem is I'm not even sure why she told the story I think  she was trying to protect the communities but she didn't say that you notice that you notice  that she didn't say why she was telling George's story she just said she wanted to be transparent  with her audience w

hich I think is inappropriate your audience doesn't need to know that you've  been assaulted you know what I mean why does your audience need to know that so I want to know  why she did it ever get um I've lost the love for something that I've spent so long on because of  all of this you know it is everything that I've worked for since I was 16 on this account you know  under this name everything that I've worked for is I don't think teenagers should be on social  media unless they are severely

uh something something I just feel like you can't handle it  you obviously can't handle it right but also no whoever can I don't know people really don't  though I don't know it's not that I want to take away a 16-year-old's ability from streaming but a  part of me does a part of me does I do but a part of me knows that's like not really fair but a  part of me does overshadowed by this when you look up my name this is what it is I'm [ __ ]  but you did that girl that's what I'm saying I don't se

e her logic I feel for her but nobody  knew this had happened not even George until she came out with a story Who convinced her to share  it to the internet and why did she do it if she had said like I'm doing this because of this then  that's beautiful but like why fined by this now you know and there's no coming back from that  why why would I want that um and it's my drama and what I've been through has become drama and  clickbait and just another discussion topic to argue with each other on

Twitter why would I  want any of this um I will tell you guys why I came out about it oh okay she's going to tell us  she's going to tell us later but I didn't I this is not the hold on because of the shovel story  she felt she was in the right yeah but Shelby's story was totally different and Shelby story  was just saying I was in a toxic relationship with like a toxic guy so like that makes sense  but also why did she do that why did Shelby tell that story I mean it makes sense Wilbur sounds 

like an [ __ ] but like George obviously isn't an [ __ ] like Wilbur sounds toxic as [ __ ] and I  hope he all grows in and goes to therapy but like what did she so okay I'm excit let's see what  she says attention anyone would want um and if someone does want attention like this they're  [ __ ] insane um and this isn't me undermining any of the sport I've gotten I love you guys and I  love love the people that have shown me support um I'll never be able to thank you guys enough but  even the go

od support that I've gotten in this situation you know the people that are strictly  before I privated following me just because of this it's not even the kind of following that  I want you know uh people following me because I'm a victim people following me uh because of  this situation it it it just further defines me you know I of course I love the support and that  isn't me not acknowledging how grateful I am uh but again obviously the bad int attention is bad  but even the good attent atten

tion um it's it's not even what I would want I always wanted you  know to connect with more people and to you know my content to be known more but I don't want it to  become more wellknown because I was assaulted um and I hope you guys can also understand that so  both sides of the attention I'm getting is just again it's nothing I would ever want and again why  would I come out about this for more clout I don't want to [ __ ] do content what what am I going  to do with the clout um I don't she

doesn't want to do content I don't know what my future holds  but I don't want a career in content or anything oh I didn't realize that so like that um  yeah again I want to talk about the good response I really appreciate everybody that  has reached out it's such uh a double edged you know because as much as I'm glad so many  people are connecting with me and you know feeling better about themselves it hurts  seeing how many Bryson said I wait wait Bryson said I thought she just said this is  e

verything she worked for yeah now I'm very confused maybe she's just changing her mind  I've left YouTube three times because I was too stressed by it so maybe she was like yeah I just  want to be normal again but then she came back that's happened to me before Sophia with the Super  Chat says all these CC's have been on the internet since they were teenagers and it's content creator  so it's clear that they don't know how to interact socially outside the internet yeah I think that's  a huge par

t of it honestly yeah that's probably a huge huge part of which is why I'm saying like  there's a lot of miscommunication happening so yeah maybe she wants to be off the internet  now but she might come back I think she can come back I think she probably should have taken  a break but I can understand the temptation to like be here I don't know people can relate it  hurts hearing the stories en Roo says I think you're being you're trying to be too sympathetic  to to someone who doesn't deserve i

t um I'm not being well it's my job that's kind of what my  Channel's known for is I try to like dissect the most nuanced position as possible meaning like as  much as like my initial reaction wants to say one thing I have to ask myself if that's valid cuz  it's really easy for your biology and chemistry and your bias to push you into a Direction so the  reason I'm doing that is because unlike everyone else covering this story I'm trying not to have  that initial gut reaction which is to like no

t care about a person but also like I don't know  this girl she could be the worst person on the planet but she's probably not she's probably just  as confused as George is and she's handling it the way she's handling it because she doesn't know how  else to do it and she's also way younger so to be fair George probably has a better maturity level  of handling it than she does she's reacting like a typical 19-year-old right now and I'm not that  surprised right like I'm just not if I if you have

any interest in actually understanding why humans  do what they do you have to really think about it you know what I mean people are coming out with  it's great and I love the response that people feel safe to come out about their stories it hurts  how many there are and it just further you know it further sets in my mind that I would do this again  no matter how many [ __ ] names I'm called even if I have to disappear from the internet I would do  it all again again seeing how many people it h

as helped and the space that it's created for other  content creators to come out about their stories I mean even DMS I've gotten people who aren't  ready to come out publicly but from bigger C content creators bigger than me smaller than  me and you guys sending me Max said are you a psychologist no I'm a YouTuber letters sending  me messages again it breaks my heart knowing you guys have went through that but Georgina says  what about the price she had to pay everyone keeps forgetting about th

at well no I think that's  the point is she did feel like the price she had to pay to be in the space she did say that which  I think is a problem I know you guys are saying the way she talks drives you crazy it's probably  because she's used to being on the internet since she was young so she does probably have some  Faker facial expressions and she probably does have a performatives to her and she probably is  speaking in a way that feels like you know it's kind of it's actually pretty ner Div

ergent the way  she talks but also it could just be performative it's like that poetry if you guys watch Love on  the Spectrum Connor talks like that oh be still my heart like he's very his autism like they a lot  of people with Autism talk like in a very flowery way I'm not saying she has autism I'm just saying  it kind of reminds me of that it's performative in a specific way the tonality is like up and down  and breathy um it's just like it could be a lot of things could be the fact that she'

s really  young and three years of her life were probably in shut down down and or lock down it is what  they like everybody talks differently for a lot of reasons I just think you guys are ascribing a  lot of malicious intent to her and I just showed you Dr Kanda who's a therapist and most people are  not this methodical you have to understand most people are not methodical about their toxicity or  abuse I just don't think this 19-year-old girl is planning out every single facial expression eve

ry  single intake of breath every single accusation against George you're putting so much onus on her  you're calling her an idiot and a predator at the same time you're saying she's a genius who came up  with this Mal malan like plan and she's an idiot who doesn't know what she's talking about it's  like which one is it is she this amazing villain or she [ __ ] dumb and if she's [ __ ] dumb let's  [ __ ] talk about that cuz everyone feels pretty [ __ ] dumb to me right now where everyone feels 

like they know exactly what she's thinking do you know exactly what George was thinking because if  you're at Katie for reading George's mind then you should be mad at yourself for trying to read Katie  again if you look at what's actually happening we're watching a 19-year-old kid girl whatever you  want to call her do her best to balance something that most of you [ __ ] wouldn't even be able  to handle cuz you're not even on the Internet it's [ __ ] hard every mean tweet you might have  sent

at her you are contributing factor to why the world sucks the world is not a reflection of  one or two bad people it's a collection of all of us together the world is a reflection of us  as a majority if you ever sent a mean tweet to Katie you are the reason and you are absolutely  contributing to why the world sucks and that's very human of you so no judgment but also like  don't sit on your high horse [ __ ] and act like you're better than everybody else okay okay okay  now that I'm done lect

uring you I'm going to pee cuz I deserve to do that no one deserves anything  I'll be right back it also is like you know I want to create this space that people feel safe to  talk about that um the bad response has been I think one thing we do that's like well intentioned  but I don't recommend is actually creating a space when you're young for victims to talk about their  sexual assaults I think that should be done in support groups or with people who have the right  way to talk about them I'v

e notic in my own work when I tried really hard to create safe spaces  for this it actually went pretty bad because it's actual trauma with a lot of heavy heavy emotion  and honestly people need better settings for having those conversations so even when I've tried  to create a space where people can express those things to one another I think it's been always  good but it gets out of hand because hey this is real trauma this [ __ ] really impacts you and I  feel feel like a 19-year-old girl who

um had this much impact from a situation uh like this should  probably not be creating the space for people to tell their stories because it's too much it's a  lot and so I would say that as much as it's nice to try to take on that responsibility is actually  a huge responsibility and um I've noticed that I can't maintain it myself you know I try to give  a space to people but again gets overwhelming and it gets really difficult and it gets really dark  really fast so I actually recommend not c

reating a space you know where people can talk about that  kind of stuff I would recommend going to a support group for that or somebody with professionals even  professionals burn out guys you know streamers are definitely going to burn out you know a lot um  even the fact of [ __ ] reporters messaging me asking for my [ __ ] take on it all or my comment  on it actually [ __ ] choke are you joking it's it's it's insane I mean watching the position I'm  in right now watching thousands of people

comment on your sexual assault story people fight each  other yeah I feel like she didn't realize that was going to happen and I think this is a lesson she's  going to have to learn obviously you and I and other people could be like yeah what do you think  was going to happen but that's the point what did anyone think was going to happen when anything  happens what does anyone think when anything like when anything's going to happen you know what  I mean like it's intense so I kind of feel like

she didn't understand the consequence of parting  with people she didn't understand the consequence of posting her video she didn't understand the  consequence like it's like she keeps doing things she just doesn't understand and I think this is  her story her this is her learning what it means and she probably isn't ready I thank God every day  that I don't believe in cuz I'm an atheist that I didn't become popular or famous when I was younger  I would never would have been able to handle it so

I feel like she's misunderstanding something  here that I like she's learning and George is learning too George and dream and all of them  are so young they're all going to have to learn too you know over people use it as a talking point  on a YouTube video or a podcast you know it being made into clickbait it's it's insane um yeah she  doesn't get it yeah that's what's going to happen and again if you feel like what an idiot what a  dumb [ __ ] yeah you can feel that way but what are you so sh

ocked about a 19-year-old not knowing  the difference of course she doesn't she's like a kid bro she doesn't know anything you know what  I mean um watching my experience that is so means so much to me get dumbed down and simplified in  just a few words or in a few sentences so it's more digestible and more consumable for people  it's it's insane um I will be talking about as for his response oh um I don't have much to say  okay to me it's very clear what's going on but I know it may not be for

a lot of people um because  I'm now cleared from the fog of believing [ __ ] um he deleted the apology on Twitter so that's  not what I'm talking about that was deleted uh now there's just again the two videos that  have been made which I don't even know where to start um I mean and I could have could have even  understood if it would have been a I know we have different perspectives of the night and I know I  assume stuff that I shouldn't have but I'm still sorry for hurting you period but anyt

ime again he  readmits to the fact that he touched me without consent it's followed with a butt it's followed  with a yes I touched you yes I didn't ask if it was okay but you were smiling but you seemed like  you would have wanted it but I assumed you wanted it because I'm [ __ ] sick of it I'm [ __ ] sick  of the butt um I'm I'm just so sick of it and and not even just that it's then put into this video  where the entire video is picking apart my story once again picking apart every single thi

ng I said  and once again focusing thing on things that are relevant to the fact that you [ __ ] touched me I  mean being like whoa um George did clarify why he deleted that tweet so that's not surprising for  those of us who watched his videos but for her she's probably seeing it as a negative I don't  think she's wrong here again like he did touch her but he didn't touch her with malicious intent  it would have been like even if he kissed her that night it would have been uh you know what I me

an  like it wouldn't have been both things again can be true that's why you have to speak up and be  like oh my God you misunderstood like I'm not one of those people and then he did admit to  touch like tickling her and putting his hand on her waist but I don't know if he admitted  to squeezing her boob but even if he touched her boob even if he kissed her even if they had  sex you know what I mean like all of this happens differently for different people some people never  get verbal consent i

t's all like in the moment some people give verbal consent you know what I  mean so again she has to remember that like not everybody operates under your expectation so I  think that's the problem we're still having here is is that in her first video she didn't clarify  right she didn't clarify how he touched her which left everyone confused and then George said it was  like tickling she said tickling and then everyone got even more confused and now she's saying boob  grab and now everyone else

is more confused cuz if everybody was in the room and saw it then I need  everyone to say hey I saw this but no one's saying that right uh tan says does she even believe in  non-verbal consent but it doesn't seem like it yeah actually that's another thing if she doesn't  believe in non-verbal sent then like we're at an impass you know what I mean that means we are  in an impass what do we do with that I would say now we live in different Bubbles and one bubble  doesn't care and other like other

bubbles do it differently right so I I like that's what I would  like to know from Katie's values like do you even believe in non-verbal consent you know like how  do you know it's like how cuz that's fine but also like how do you operate under that assumption  how do you take care of patients and Comas if they can verbally consent to you do you bathe  people with Alzheimer's who can't confirm with you that they want to be bathed like the world  operates on non-verbal consent because we have med

ical problems we have communication Styles we  all operate differently so I would like to know that perspective you know what I mean Valerie said  she said she didn't I don't I don't I've been seen that oh she addresses the non-verbal consent kind  of oh kind of oh she said my friend left early but really he left late what the [ __ ] does that have  to do with you touching me and not asking first what the [ __ ] your friend wasn't there when  it happened oh this is all the stuff she left out she

left this out because she can't be trusted  and is leaving oh Carrie says George specifically said nothing sexual happened and her best friend  said it was just touching her waist I believe that might be true actually I rewatched her video today  but maybe I should have rewatched his important info out I left out the two people that were in  that room that weren't there for my assault I was talking about my assault they weren't there for it  why would I it he's put in this position right to pic

k out every inconsistency and especially pick  out any information I didn't mention and to put it on a silver platter and be like here here's  everything that she was kind of wrong about yeah the internet sucks that way I hate when they  do that with me too they're so bad faith but it is what it is like it is what are you going  to do right and here's everything she left out so she can't be trusted and because I'm the one  pointing it out you can trust me because I'm the one putting it out there

for you you can trust  me he's put in this position um and again he says he says stuff like he conven ghosty also  said nothing sexual happened George did say he touched her around the waist in the first video  we watched it earlier yeah I remember the waist part remember the tickle part and so that's the  part where again this is this is so I wish I could talk to her and we could talk about it but not  on stream like in private but it's one of those things where I like I can't hate this girl I

just  can't do it cuz like she's obviously working off a schema that's very specific to her bubble and I  like what am I going to do falter for like that's all she knows but also like she's got a backing  people are backing her so she's being reinforced in the belief I don't know what like I we can  only do what we can do so George needs to defend himself we need to make our stances clear but also  like I just wish Katie had somebody in her life to be like hey girl let's talk about things you 

know and like that's the problem is I don't think anyone's willing to do that yet crayer with the  Super Chat says she either near the end or in a tweet clarify say she didn't watch his video and  a friend watched it for her that's why she says George didn't apologize oh I see yeah I think I  heard that too that she didn't watch it yeah Brit she said her friend saw the boob touching but  her friend denies it ooh oh this is hard yeah H yeah I mean she just could she could be straight  up lying bu

t I feel like it's more than that aim with the Super Chat thank you so much girl with  the spoons so big thank you so much britty you're killing it right now you're killing it thank  you so much I appreciate that spoons in the chat guys spoons in the chat mg with the Super  Chat says to be honest she changed them spooning to sitting up as well oh yeah she just that's  the problem is look I'm not trying to be such a [ __ ] and like every word everything but  I'm trying to say hey I wish she could

talk to me without any judgment I don't want I don't  want to hear the story like I just want her to tell me the story without anyone judging her just  tell me the story girl I'm listening just tell me the story and then I want to be able to listen  and hear it and understand it and dis you know like dismantle it its own proper way but like I  just I feel like she's being so judged and she's so afraid and it's all coming out wrong but  also I'm sure George is leaving out certain details I'm ass

uming he is kind of saying in a  particular way like genuinely they should both talk to me without recording so I could tell them  what's happening because I know I have more life experience than all these people put together and  that's the problem is like if you don't have life experience it's harder but also um you know it's  it's all difficult like again I don't want to go after every single word she uses incorrectly  like I'm just not that kind of person I don't think people speak correctly

I think people speak  incorrectly all the time they also move in for a kiss at the incorrect moment they also grab a  titty at the incorrect moment people are just very flawed conveniently didn't acknowledge my  age despite the numerous you know opportunities he conveniently didn't acknowledge the power  imbalance he can there isn't an automatic power IM balance so that's something to think about  right conveniently doesn't remember these things I mean Tom said n George said in his last video 

I'm not going to stay where I touched her I'll let her make that decision now she's telling  us uh I think I do actually remember George saying something to that effect like all like  he was vague on purpose like look he's already admitted he touched her I mean he could touch  a booby like guys touch a lot of boobies in my life you know what I mean the question is if  she okay I'll tell you a story one time I was on a polycule I'm monogamous now but I used to  be polyamorous a and I was in a fou

r-person poly cool and it was really fun and cute three girls  one boy and we had a lot of fun okay female top three bottoms it was hot it was great it was nice  toxic as [ __ ] okay toxic as [ __ ] cuz we all had [ __ ] we had to work on but we were having  fun for a while one of the girls in the polycule couldn't be slapped on the butt okay that was  like a big no no no slapping her on the butt and you know what I did one time without thinking  can anyone guess I slapped her on the [ __ ] butt

cuz I like to slap people's butts I did I slapped  her on the butt and right away I was like I didn't even remember what I did everyone was like and  I was like oh [ __ ] what did I do and then I was like oh [ __ ] cuz I forgot I forgot that  one of her hard limits was being slapped on the butt and you know how they punished me they  slapped me on my butt but for the record I felt like a piece of [ __ ] but you know what what they  didn't do drag it on I apologize she accepted my apology we ren

egotiated boundaries and we moved on  I just genuinely forgot and she knew I genuinely forgot so we still acknowledged the issue and then  we moved the [ __ ] on and that's how I know those people Wen trying to hold everything against me  they were willing for there to be mistakes made and by the way her issue about being slapped  on the butt was Rel to sexual assault so it was even for more of a reason I should have paid  attention but I just didn't and I think when you're with a group of peopl

e that mean the best  and love you they really do understand you will make mistakes and what they don't do is tolerate a  pattern of mistakes but also if they know it was a mistake and that's the difference I don't think  these people know each other enough to give each other the power like the power I read power  on the chat I don't think Katie and George know each other enough to give each other the  benefit of the doubt or to be open to mistakes or to have a conversation around how things  co

uld go wrong and I think that that's fair but also unfair ultimately I've made so many  mistakes and I'm so glad we could communicate through them and I'm so glad when people have made  mistakes with me I was able to see it because I would have condemned perfectly good people for  a few problems in Behavior now of course in my toxic days I also tolerated a lot more toxicity  than I needed to but I learned eventually when to cut myself off and to have boundaries with  myself okay so again like I

want Katie to have better tools but she's not going to have it if  she doesn't let people make mistakes but also I'm terrified of protecting a predator so I I  want to make sure that I'm not making excuses for bad behavior I just know most people aren't  out here being Predators most people are out here being dumb as [ __ ] myself included and  the only hope we have for Humanity is that we know the difference between the two and right now  I just don't think KY does and then he says stuff like w

ell I'm a good guy obviously he's going to  [ __ ] say that you think that if he genuinely is the person to kind of be like this that he  would go on his on an edited [ __ ] video and be like yeah I'm a bad guy yeah I well does she  think he's a bad guy I think that's the problem does she think that him doing this completely  makes him the worst most horrible person you know en Roo with the Super Chat says Where do we draw  the line between or where do we draw the line of validating her feelings

and actually holding her  accountable for coming out with such a destructive accusation um so if you want my honest opinion I  don't think it's our job to hold her accountable I don't I think it's her values job to hold  herself accountable I think at most it could be twitch's responsibility or wherever she's  put out this allegation I don't think it's the audience's job to hold content creators uh  accountable for their own beliefs the problem is is Katie believes this I don't think you  can h

old her accountable for a belief that's like trying to hold a homophobe accountable  for being homophobic and saying like I think gay people are predators it's like what are you  what are you going to do how you going to hold that accountable what if they're religious and  say like nobody should watch porn what are you how you going to hold them accountable she's not  lying in her mind she isn't lying she's telling a real story so what are you going to hold  her accountable for her own perceptio

n what are you going to do you know what I mean like  what are you going to do what do you want what do you want to do to Katie what do you think  she deserves to do I don't think she's lying I think she literally thinks what he did with  sexual assault which a lot of people would agree with her what do you want her what do you want  to do to her and then you have to ask yourself why you think that's the right thing to do  you know what I mean but yeah like what is the public going to do what ar

e you going to  go bully somebody is that part of your values are you allowed to go like [ __ ] with Katie  does that make you feel like a good person you know what I mean so Tom Tom fi says the  audience funds creators with their views it's definitely the audience's responsibility to  hold creators accountable I totally disagree if you want to hold someone accountable  don't watch them but what are you going to do go bully her and harass her and stalk  her like if you don't want to deal with he

r if you don't want to give her views  stop engaging with her you know what I mean like what are you going to do she  isn't lying according to her perception yeah so you know what I mean but you're already doing it now and I just I  you know you can share your opinions I don't know I don't I'm not going  to try to hold her accountable but I think she should hold her account herself accountable with  her own values and if you don't want to engage with her don't give her money and don't engage  wi

th her you know purposefully oh yeah knew her age he's not going to say that he has a [ __ ]  career to protect he's going to say whatever the [ __ ] he needs to he has so much at stake I have  [ __ ] nothing left like it is so it's obvious to me the kind of people that that these people are  I mean he'll admit he can get on a video and sit there and admit to touching me without consent  and then he can bury it he brings up all these screenshots all these different details that that  are Irrelev

ant in the night he brings this up on purpose so that's what you guys talk about hold  on people calling George a pedophile like they're already lost you know that right that's not  even what a pedophile is she's 18 like if you think George is a pedophile like you're lost bye  sprinkle sprinkle bye like I wouldn't even worry about those people they're totally like inept  like just ignore them right this is about you you should have boundaries don't engage with people to  think flirting with an 1

8-year-old is pedophilia don't engage being with a 15-year-old isn't even  pedophilia don't engage right like engaging with those people by the way their numbers are nothing  you have to understand there's 8 billion people on this planet you guys do know that right how  many people even if it's in the thousands are actually that like someone's going to be that  cray cray let them be cray cray let them live in that bubble that's not your bubble don't engage  okay so George has to do his job to de

al with this and he's going to deal with it in the future every  content creator has problems every few or so years people come out with accusations people create  drama it's literally a part like it's literally a norm someone just made a video about me the  other day it was so dumb and I was like what are you doing people do [ __ ] all the time I  ignore them I just don't watch them on stream I don't give them any light of day [ __ ] you  [ __ ] you bro for creating [ __ ] like I just ignore th

em ignore them as far as we're concerned  George was right to counter this story cuz it got so big but there's always [ __ ] people out there  trying to like write on you there's always people who trying to gain clout cuz of you ignore them  okay so again I just think like if you're worried about like randos on Twitter that's probably your  first problem you know but also like defend George if you if you believe in George uplift George  like his streams promote his [ __ ] be team George but goin

g after Katie doesn't make any  sense he brings up oh well these are texts from dream and ghosty why do I [ __ ] care about texts  between dream and ghosty when I'm talking about you [ __ ] touching me he brings up these texts  and he brings up these this irelevant stuff to distract you guys he's distracting you guys he's  bringing this up to be like here look at this here debate this here talk about this oh and by the way  I did touch her and I didn't ask and yes that's the she's coming out abo

ut that I'm confirming  but look at this if George is getting doxed like that's a pretty shitty part of the internet  as well he should definitely um do something about that and I think like with peace and love  sometimes even when you're being compassionate towards her you got to like do the best to defend  yourself so George is within his 100% right to defend himself and I think he's done a very good  job of doing it a very mature manner right but I do think Katie again I would God somebody pu

t  Katie in my DMs bro I wish I could explain to her how much misunderstanding is happening in  her brain but she doesn't like again I wish she would like how do you even begin to explain it  she would have to trust me and I would have to make her understand like you're not a bad person  but you're misconstruing this so badly that you're you're hurting an innocent person now of course  some people don't think there's innocence in that you know what I mean like some people would  say he's not inn

ocent you know this it's so obvious to me I mean even like you know in DMS  and stuff that in my first video I confirmed I came out about the fact that about the messages  but him saying let's switch from Instagram DMS to go to S Mia says seriously at the end of the  stream can we get your honest non- nuanced opinion LOL that's that's cute to be honest with you um  this is pretty much my real opinion I've really dedicated my my last four years to trying to be  as like humans are going to human a

s possible like understanding why people do what they do and yes  it's frustrating like I wish this wasn't what had to happen but I radically accept this is what  humans do humans misunderstand misconstrue we all have trauma genetics issues bubble thoughts  we all have myself included moments in our life where we miscommunicate um we have confusion  we o like we don't understand each other we talk past each other my real opinion is like  I thank God I am old I thank God this is not my life I tha

nk God I am ready and prepared  for these things I than God I've learned all these lessons and when I say God I mean nobody  because I don't believe in God I'm atheist when I see this I just think to myself like man I'm  so happy I live like a Hermit and nobody knows me but also I love my friends and shout out to  my friends even if when you're drama I love you so much bro my honest opinion is like human's  going to human bro and she'll either learn the lesson or she won't but George better lear

n this  [ __ ] lesson that the Universe sent him or he's just as useless dream better learn the lesson  the universe sent him or they're not going to some people also Thrive off the drama there  are people all the time in the sphere that are more than happy to have crazy people in their  lives because they love the views and the drama if dream and George want peace learn the lesson  the universe is sending you know the difference between kades and people that are not kades I'm  not saying Katie'

s a bad person I don't think most people are bad people but learn the difference  CU When bubbles mesh with other Bubbles and they miscommunicate have you seen Israel in Palestine  have you seen the way the world operates the moment the other side decides you're the bad guy  they will use any means of justification for any means of action Snapchat what is what is the point  of texting on Snapchat versus Instagram the only reason we didn't continue on Snapchat is because  I didn't want to continu

e there but in the middle of a cono being like let's switch to Snapchat  where messages and pictures disappear I mean I just feel like these kinds of people are so smart  and so calculated I feel like it's so obvious with peace and love if George and dream are calculated  I would be amazed but you see how people think Katie is calculated I would be amazed I would  be shook to my core if Katie George or dream were calculated now her side thinks they're calc  cated his side thinks she's calculated

be honest with me right here guys come on do you think  any of these people are calculated genuinely genuinely calculated meaning they were playing 4D  chess they orchestrated this whole thing or do you think they're a bunch of [ __ ] kids pretending  they're big adults and not understanding how to adult there's no [ __ ] way I just don't I  don't buy it um but I also acknowledge why people wouldn't see it because they are very  convincing um and honestly I acknowledge I mean it's fine uh if yo

u don't believe me um  I would I would also like to point out every source that he's getting if you've noticed  anytime he says well she seemed comfortable and I even asked the person he's getting to  confirm his point of view is his best friend or the guy that he called but who's she getting  to confirm her point of view is it her best friend in the video again his friend the  three three guys that were there the one guy I didn't mention and the other two are all  friends um he says well she wa

sn't uncomfortable well she seemed like she was fine and I asked  dream about this that's his best friend that is helping him make these videos he is quite  literally helping him and sending him stuff o who's helping you make your videos who's  helping support you that's what I mean she you have to but okay this is how Bubbles work  so this is how thought processes work she goes oh my God look at what he's doing and the people  that are like anti- Katy they're like look what she's doing her frie

nds are manipulating her  her her friends are convincing her and then she's like look at dream convincing him I  just don't think any of these people are evil Diamond says oh I'm sure you talked to  dream yeah dream and are your best friends he just texted me the other day guys I don't know  dream I don't know any of these people obviously I don't know I don't know any of these people but  let me tell you there's no way okay like there's no [ __ ] way all these people they're just giving  each o

ther the same story it's so clearly bubbled to me that I'm like hey y'all need to pop these  bubbles bro and chill but they're not going to yeah you can be smart by the way well still being  dumb you can be smart without being introspective you can be introspective and not be like a [ __ ]  math Wiz okay I just feel like they're all kind of immature kids figuring it out all of them are  under 26 right dream is like 23 she's like 19 George is like 27 or something I'm so glad I'm  old bro this is

what I'm saying you want to hang out with why would you want to date a 25-year-old  they're [ __ ] so dumb bro they're so dumb what are you talking about oh yes they're so mature for  their age okay to make these videos these edited responses that he's making he's making them with  dream like and then he's using dream as a a source to tell if I was okay or not I mean and and this  friend whose career is also on the line because they've built their careers together if he goes  down they both go d

own they're obviously going to back back each other up and I do acknowledge this  is me acknowledging I can also be a hypocrite in this situation because I had a best friend there  okay obviously my best friend was there so it's these three guys who were friends and then me and  my best friend but I would also like to point out the two IC fire says doesn't being performative  mean they're calculated and trying to force a narrative everyone's performative on stream guys  no YouTuber even me right

now is not lacking in performativity there is no way that I don't know  I'm on stream right now right like somebody asked could you get give your real unfiltered opinion  if I was if I asked myself like what would be my opinion completely unfiltered it'd be like  something to the effect of like all these people deserve everything that's happening to them but  nobody deserves anything all these people made decisions that this was one of the possibilities  George made a decision that night in whi

ch only so many possibilities were an option and one of  them was a girl falsely accusing him of assault because anytime you have alcohol opposite sex  people involved or same seex people that are attracted to each other possibly false accusations  could occur slash real accusations could occur because real rape could happen so when I go into a  social situation maybe this is my nerd divergency I go what are the possibilities that anything  goes completely wrong here well there's still a statist

ical probability every time you get into a  car there's a statistical probability of something going wrong thank you so much for the raid hello  hello welcome kakaru let's go we love to see it we love to see it appreciate you welcome welcome  you know what I mean so what do you we think you know when we when we go into a social situation  right we have to understand that there's going to be the possibility of harm so if you wanted my  totally unfiltered opinion I'd say like everything that happe

ned was what was going to happen and it  couldn't have been avoided because none of them did anything to avoid it let me tell you this  do you know that Katie made one of the biggest mistakes she could have made to protect herself  she drank underage under 21 in a hotel room with strangers she didn't know but validated those  strangers because they were friends of friends dream and George made a mistake by drinking with  people under the age of 21 they didn't know or just drinking with people in

general they didn't  know but also that's so human I've done that a thousand times you've done that a thousand times  and we were lucky that nothing went terribly wrong but sometimes it did some times it did go wrong  so the the question you have to ask yourself when you're partying with people is like am I going to  be the thing that goes wrong maybe and then how do we feel about that she literally went against that  law of drinking over 21 and went I'm not going to listen to that thing that r

ule that's in place to  protect me I'm going to ignore it and then George and dream did the very normal thing all of us do  at parties this is why I don't party anymore I'm my partying days are over which is oh yeah instead  of like like only partying with people we know we're going to party with strangers or friends  of friends okay and then they all gave themselves over to the whim of the universe and what happened  this happened it's always a possibility of it happening it's hard to know who

to trust but more  than that it's hard to know if you can even trust yourself especially when you're drunk and also  everyone has a different alcohol tolerance my in-laws recently saw me drunk because I had half a  beer half a beer and I was drunk and I was like my bad and they just thought it was so funny you know  oh my God Georgina stop you said you just aren't performative don't try to convince yourself Bry  you're being so objective no I'm very performative hello I got cute today that's a p

erformance we all  do things in a way to communicate in signal to one another look the only person I'm completely un  performative arounds around is my husband because my husband knows me so he can translate when I  misspeak or he can translate when I don't look the best or he can translate when I say the thing  I don't mean but you guys don't know me like that so we need to have a different relationship in  terms of how we communicate you know what I mean and that's okay which means I got to th

ink about  it I got to be like okay I'm talking to people who don't know me and I got to talk in a certain  way you know and I got to Signal the right thing to you and I think with content creators there's  like a parasocial element which confuses people even with me people have a version of me in their  head that isn't me it's just a part of me and the difficult part is realizing like I don't know  this person I just know the part I know see Mo says performance isn't equal fake exactly I don't 

think it means I'm fake it just means I'm like self-aware to an extent right so again no judgment  on being young and partying the only judgment I'll hold is like maybe a little B gay judge like a  messy humans are so messy you know what are you going to do two girls that were there the two  girls the one from the screenshot that said uh mention the age difference and like was mentioning  how weird it was and then the other girl that mentioned do you know people think Muslims are  weird does th

at mean Muslims are weird you know people think Catholics are weird does that mean  they're weird you know people think trans people are weird do you think it's that they're weird or  do you think like everyone is weird to somebody else y says okay but can we get a flex um my arms  aren't that big right now my arms aren't that big okay thank you for being a membership for 10  months let's go um okay so again when we're having this conversation don't you think everyone's a  little weird so I I do

n't like that insinuation like oh they're being so weird right now I prefer  people saying like hey I just wanted to make sure is everyone good how are your spoons how's your  energy is everyone doing okay just checking in give people an out everyone is weird in their  own way Luna Luna says I'm a Muslim and I think I'm weird girl everybody weird in their own way  everybody wearing their own way okay that uh the other girl that was there during the assault that  texted me the day after and said

are you okay I was really uncomfortable with how touchy George  was being ooh but you didn't say anything out louder in the moment interesting those two  girls I met two days prior those two girls weren't my friends ooh then why did you make  the decision to drink with them not that I'm victim blaming see remember we want to hold  accountable without victim blaming cuz like you're a victim you're a victim you're a victim  but then the question is again is this a crime on crime on crime on crime

cuz remember she was  breaking the law by drinking he was breaking the law by touching her titty and everybody was  breaking the law by being complicit this is just a bunch of criminals hanging out they were  lovely lovely girls yes but I met them two days prior two days and after VidCon I never spoke  to them again my most recent texts from them are after I came out about my story these aren't  people uh that you know these are people that I had just met um and the both of these girls  were unc

omfortable with the situ situation um and it's okay uh if you don't believe me or  if you don't believe him or you don't believe either of us cuz our point of views are  biased I mean I got my point of view is probably really biased because I'm the one that  got felt up I mean I'm I mean everyone's views biased you know how many homeless men  have taken their pants down in front of me you know what I mean like it's kind of  gross and I'm annoyed by it but like you know no one's homeless without

having some  mental health problems let's be real nobody [ __ ] chooses to like give up on life basically  and become homeless unless you got some [ __ ] cracked out brain generally speaking so am  I really that mad that some crazy guy pulled down his pants in front of me not really if  I'm going to be real with you but somebody might be and somebody might be traumatized  for the rest of their life you know which is fine but like it just happens you're just like  okay and for some people that's

like the worst thing that's ever happened in their whole  life I know I get it but also I mean what am I going to do we you going to blame the  guy who's just [ __ ] you know just doesn't know you know you know Mikey don't say slur  in chat they will ban you Mikey you better relax guys don't don't say s right now okay  words our constructs words our constructs I just feel like sometimes people might come from  a sheltered or privileged enough background to not have to face sort of the ugliness o

f life  and then when life gets slightly uncomfortable they just don't know what to do about it you know  and I feel like this is it this is like life gives you lessons you don't have to force suffering  into your life it will happen naturally I'm not going to feel great about the situation uh but  if you're wondering like who you can trust on saying how these people are behind the scenes  really acknowledge and really pay attention to the people that are actually great Point liquid  reality say

s I am also wondering what bubble she was in like I remember talking with my mom about  things that could happen with alcohol when I was 13 me too you know what I mean like I would  love to know how was she raised what was that conversation like how did it go oh you know what  I mean I I would also like to know that you know what I mean nobody can say slur chat no slurs in  the chat this is not a safe space today we have too many people here act accordingly we have  guests in the house not that

we say slurs like okay everybody relax it's not even a thing here  okay you can just everybody relax okay everybody be cool bro be cool my mom is watching I'm just  kidding she's not watching just kidding speaking out pay attention to the people that surround  them to this day pay attention to the people that have I don't want a victim blame just cuz you  get drunk doesn't mean you deserve to be raped just like just because you walk down the street  with a million dollars on your wrist doesn't m

ean you deserve to be robbed okay you can learn to be  preventative without victim blaming okay but also she's allowed to feel violated without making  him out to be a predator spoken out but have distanced themselves and pay attention to the  people that are speaking out uh because I can tell you it's not just me it really isn't um and  there are other things that have happened but that isn't my story to tell I can only tell so much  because those aren't my stories you know other things those a

ren't my stories to tell um but  it is it's the things that it's just um don't worry I'm trying to not prolong this um the three  main things I said Athena with the Super Chat says I think her feelings are valid but in her own  heart but nothing makes sense to me who's her friend and who isn't who watched this happen and  who didn't yeah obviously right there's so much going on here uh again I think like humans are  going to human this is part about being a this is like the weirdest part about b

eing a person  look I know so many things about your favorite YouTubers behind closed doors maybe not you guys  but I know things about your favorite YouTubers the thing is like even if you came out about them  nobody would care because everyone's kind of toxic enough to like not care cuz everyone's doing their  own [ __ ] you know what I mean and so for me I triy to just like set a boundary keep my distance  because people like toxicity more than they admit and that's why they take risks CU the

y kind of  like the thrill of it that's why I think it says something about you like like how you conduct  yourself not necessarily who you know because I know lots of very unsavory people but more like  what how you conduct yourself and then if you're willing to look I have friends that I disagree  with and I'd be willing to say like hey don't date my friends he's kind of like dramatic right  now and some people are like I can't believe you would say that about your friend and I'm like  why not

like I love my friends but like don't date them they're a mess but like also maybe my  friend is like offended that I said that but also look at your life why would you recommend somebody  to date you you're a mess but it's because people don't want to admit they're a mess while being  mess some of the messiest people I know are some of the most lovable people I know I still wouldn't  recommend dating them and they might be offended about that get over it you got to get over it  bro I would say

don't date Katie she doesn't seem ready right and that's okay she doesn't  have to be ready to date I would say I don't know if George is ready to be someone's husband  but it sounds like he needs to work on a lot more introspection right I feel like George needs  a lot more work I'll say it again and again I love sneo stop dating him he will cheat on on you  okay listen to people when they tell you who they are and I don't know if people are really ready to  do that in my first stream and the

three important things in this story age power and consent two  things again he's conveniently not acknowledged or conveniently didn't acknowledge at the time  the age the age Gap obviously again my story is about consent but these are really important to  these will explain my thought process just the way things played out the age Gap yes it's important  to know uh again not freshly 18 freshly out of high school uh 18 and 5 months uh and he was 26  Mia says guys I know a lot of bad stuff about

Britney but I can't say what it is just trust me  bro Mia's right she does she knows everything bad about me which is my ass is bad as [ __ ] bro just  kidding that was sexual it's hard to be seexual you know what I'm saying it's just kind of fun  sometimes you know ask your mom I was with her last night she said the same thing um it's also  important to acknowledge hold on I didn't again not freshly 18 freshly out of high school uh 18  and 5 months yeah but like you're legal adult girl it's not

a case I'm so sorry I I I understand  the energy of it but she's also an adult like at the end of the day it is what it is what it is  right all and he was 26 yeah it's not my favorite thing either I hate an age Gap but also what  are you going to do um it's also important to acknowledge this age Gap because of the experience  Gap uh the way that he came out in his video and said what he did to me was tame for him um and how  it's something that has affected me so much people have different per

ceptions of things if you ask  a religious person does a good girl kiss at the end of the date maybe they'd say no if you ask a  secular person maybe they'd say yes you know what I mean that's why Katie is valid but obviously  why ktie and George should never have interacted because they don't they don't understand each  other they're not on the same page because it was the first time and if I could have if I knew  I wouldn't have you know if I had the choice of where my first time being sexual

or whatever  I would have not picked there I would have not picked it in front of multiple people um but again  it is important how it was Ted to him but also the age gap of you know if that was Ted to him or if  he's done stuff like this before you think he'd know better uh knowing better is like a wrong  way to view it guys think of a guy or girl you know in their 50s 60s think of a man or woman you  know in their 50s or 60s who definitely doesn't know better people don't don't know better bec

ause  they're old they don't know better because they're gender nobody knows better everyone only knows  what they know I don't expect Katie to know better I don't expect anyone to know better you know what  I mean Shadow B says aren't you married why would you [ __ ] my mom who do you think I'm married to  um the power imbalance no I didn't [ __ ] bring up power and say how I was excited to be there  because of his clout I wasn't [ __ ] using him for his clout that's not why power is important 

here but she said that she did say in her original video she thought it was the price she had to pay  to hang out with bigger YouTube content creators and to network so she did say that which is why  I'm curious on who wrote her first statement him going and being like I feel used [ __ ] crime a  river that's not why I brought up the power why power is important in this is because I I looked  up to them I was an aspiring creat Creator and these were the biggest creators in the industry  like we

ll that was your first problem if you're only hanging out with content creators because you  see them as different from you you're not ready to hang out with them look I'm an adult content  creator I don't care if you have 20 million views or if you're [ __ ] Trump himself we're peers  as far as I'm concerned we're both adults but if you are with the biggest content creators ever  and you are admitting there's a power Dynamic you shouldn't be in the room with them you shouldn't  be in the room w

ith them and the fact that she didn't know that is is my biggest problem if you  feel this way you should not engage with them cuz you're basically asking adults to babysit you  which I think is very unfair it is so weird to ask other adults can you babysit me while I'm  at this event either you're old enough and ready enough to engage and whether you're like you're  either ready to be seen as peers and equals or you shouldn't be engaging and she can't expect those  content creators to be the on

es to tell her not to come to the party she has to be the one to do  it she's the adult like they're both adults but you know she's the irony she's giving George so  much responsibility over her agency like that's kind of the irony and she's saying hey I'm going  to give I'm going to call this man a predator and a sexual assaulter and I'm going to give him  the responsibility of keeping me safe and this is how humans operate and that's why humans  are so confusing oh my nose oh my nose oh my all

ergies i i before I started streaming I watched  these people I watched the dream SMP like I did that [ __ ] I looked up to them I was excited  being around them because I was excited to be around such successful people not because I only  see people for their followers but because i' I've looked that's the problem you know when I want to  hug out in Miami with Abba and everybody I was so excited to meet them because I was ready to fight  them like I would fight a bear I could take Abba in a fig

ht ask Abba to fight me bro ask Abba to  fight me bro I'll take Abba in a fight I'll take sneo in a fight I'll take a bear in a fight I'll  take them all in a fight that's the only reason I wanted to meet any of these [ __ ] not that I  met sneo but Abba knows Abba knows he would lose if I ever fought him Kuro with the Super Chat  says not really trying to nitpick here but in her first video she says 18 and a virgin at the  time to me that means she looks back and sees what he did to her as not

tame even after having  some experience she looks back and says what he did as not tame are you saying that she thinks  it was like losing a virginity and a virgin of the time to me that means she looks back and  sees what he did as not tame even after having some experience yeah I think that makes sense you  know how about two bears oh three bears girl Brit versus sneo 2024 he could never bro he wishes  bro he wishes the point is is like look okay leave Abba alone I'll fight him too fight him m

  w you know not preach though we respect preach you know we disrespect Abba I'm just kidding just  kidding shout out love Abba he's a friend anyways you know what I'm saying if like how weird would  that have been if I had shown up and been like oh my God you're like girl are you an adult  or not girl but she's not she's not ready she should know that she should know that you know  what I mean she should know she's not ready to hang out with them if you're admiring people um  I don't think you

should you know okay here's what I noticed can I tell you guys something  okay this is just for you can I tell you guys something okay I got to tell you something  I noticed and this is no hate but I noticed there's a certain kind of fan okay there's  a certain kind of fan that belongs to these communities and I've noticed a trend  where you guys start streaming years just to talk about the community and  I don't know if you know that that's weird like I noticed that people reached out to  me to

like collab and stuff and I say no to most collabs because I'm very like private about c i  boundaries because I don't know who's reaching out I don't know if it's another Katie but I  don't collab all the time but I realized as I was looking through your profiles a lot of  you just become streamers to talk about your favorite streamers and I don't know if you know  that's weird to somebody who's like this is my career and I don't know if you know like that's  absolutely the reason I wouldn't r

each out to you because it's like oh you're having a major  parasocial relationship with the content creators so no offense so Katie like I don't want another  I don't want a Katie in my life like I don't want somebody who's only interested in talking to  streamers so they become content creators to talk to streamers like I don't want those people  in my life I went content creators that are good at their jobs who happen to collab with other  content creators because we're all doing our own thin

gs and so I don't know if like I'm paying  attention to that when people ask me for collabs I'm like do you have your own [ __ ] or are you  just becoming a content creator to talk to other people so if somebody in my life was like oh  my God Bry I love your work you're amazing I feel so flustered being around you we're not  engaging we're not equals now I feel weird now you're making me feel weird cuz you're seeing  me like something I'm not I'm just a person so cuz like [ __ ] like this happen

s where people  start playing the power games and all that [ __ ] not good looked up to these people and that's  why it's so much more heartbreaking uh I mean being violated is one thing but who it comes  from is also um and again it's not I wasn't going to use this and use their clout also I  stayed silent for so long because I knew how much power they had I mean you've seen there  are people to this day that stay silent about their experiences doe thank you for the Super  Chat says keep Abba o

ut of your mouth asmin gold though don't you come for asmin bro I love  asmin bro but I would take asmin in a fight but of course I would asmin can't fight asmin loses  asmin can't even you go asmin to the ground we love him okay we love him thank you for the Super  Chat because of what's happening to me right now you saw what is happened to me since I came out  about how smart they are with these situations and how there's people there's there's creators  that have messaged me about their stori

es but say they're still scared to do it I mean it's even  the fact of the power and the situation of we have the same [ __ ] twitch manager like oh yeah  you should probably switch twitch managers see I'm not involved with t twitch how does that work  guys what's a twitch manager how does that work I had so much does she have a following before she  collabed or is her following only because they collabed cost I put I put up with it all I after  it happened didn't want it to happen but you know

I was just trying to forget about it because  we have the same twitch manager the reason I was at VidCon in the first place the reason I got  a meet and greet back in twitchcon and hey aen I don't like you sexualizing Katie in the chat it's  like super inappropriate like you know what I mean like cut it out or I'm going to block you I don't  like it don't sexualize her in the chat don't be weird guys okay got to meet my viewers For the  First Time moments that mean so much to me was all that lin

ks to my twitch manager without that  I wouldn't be able to do content I wouldn't be able to continue they didn't collab uh they never  collabed okay and they told me again she rose with the dream smpp wave is that supposed to be like  simp wave this they didn't tell me in a malicious or threatening way but I just learned that night  again through questions and games we were playing um that have the same twitch manager that would  do anything for them I mean if I came out about anything I'm not

saying they would have used did  you only get that twitch manager because they put in a good word for you or did you get that twitch  manager that's the question is like did Katie get picked up by the twitch manager because she was  a content creator or because George and dream put in a good word for her that but I hope you guys  would understand how I was in a place of I was scared of their power you know and wait she's  saying she's trying to say that George would have ruined her career with t

he twitch manager  what there's no collab she's assuming malice on his part well she always assumes malice that's  why I'm telling you she's distorted one of the reasons I think her she's distorted is because  she's she's a a uh [Music] a uh assigning a lot of malicious intent to George like we can't read  his mind but she expected him to read hers in a way but not read hers because she expected him  to ask but like it was very confusing everything was too confusing DSP or DS or DSP is dream  su

rvival multiplayer craft oh okay I thought it was simp my bad I acknowledged their power  in their Fame not because I was acknowledging them n they never knew her okay so wait hold on  they didn't even know her before those nights oh yeah the guys didn't even know who she was what  am I talking about this is even more confusing wait yeah they didn't even know her so who  got it into her head that she like why does she think this about people is it because of the  different friend group like can

someone explain that's the part I'm so lost on you know what  I mean is she confused who told her the guys were like this you know for their numbers and  not for who they were as a person but because I acknowledged that my future could be because  of the connections that they have so annoyed with her for having those sounds on does she not  know what's happening cuz she doesn't have her earphones in or she has her earphones on why is  she letting her sound background happen and in my own life li

ke in my own success that I was having  as a Creator they my biggest you know contributor to that success was someone that they were also  tied to and had way more you know say over um and also the biggest thing about power in that  situation again I I I had so much at risk I had to suck up what happened to me that's what I'm  talking about putting up with it I'm saying that corander with the Super Chat says she had no  attachments to George until it until the event she wasn't a part of the dsmp

she got the twitch  manager like a year prior and it holds no weight to her career yeah it's interesting she's saying  okay I'm going to say this because I think it's important she is saying everything that does often  happen in victim situations but she's not giving enough evidence that it's actually happening  to her so she is correct in some situations YouTubers will take advantage of fans new creators  in some situations content creators will convince Their audience that like it was a mista

ke and a  miscommunication in some situations they'll use their connection and networking to basically ruin  someone's career and some situ that absolutely is true power dynamics are real people [ __ ] [ __ ]  with you it's a whole thing I'm not sure that this is happening here and it's not because I don't  want to believe her it's just because the way that it's all turning out doesn't make sense so when  we say it's not a big deal he touched her boob if that's what happened we're not saying it'

s not  a big deal we're saying the thing that happened and your reaction isn't making sense right it's  like if I went and a homeless guy like took his pants down and front of me and I called the cops  and I was like I've been raped it's like well that doesn't make sense oh I've been sexually  like um attacked in some Capac well that's not really what's happening oh I've been sexually  harassed that might be more accurate maybe I'm being sexually harassed if he's following me  around with his di

ck out but you want to be accurate with your language because why is this  happening but I wouldn't because I'm like ah it's just a homeless guy he's probably [ __ ] mentally  ill like yeah what are you going to do as long as he doesn't touch me I don't care right like as  long as he doesn't touch me I don't care if you're pissing in the alleyway just don't [ __ ] touch  me don't follow me if you follow me if you touch me I'll probably call the cops but if you're  just like pissing in an Alleywa

y like I don't [ __ ] care okay so again I think like I want  her to look at the context and say okay um I'm on a couch the guy touches my tit and I'm like oh  I'm not really into that could you move your hand away but like that's the thing is like I wouldn't  have got into a situation where I didn't feel safe versus like you're in a situation where you feel  really safe and then something bad happens but I can't tell which one it is because she's saying  there's a power Dynamic how do you feel

safe in a power Dynamic but also I come from a perspective  and this is my perspective this is my generation this is my bubble I do think I could probably  [ __ ] my boss without a going part badly but not if my boss used it to fire me or threatened me  and said hey you have to have sex with me or I'll fire you I would just be like I quit bro also he's  a [ __ ] and also everyone should know he's like blackmailing his employees but also like I think  in Another Universe like I dated a girl once

ooh story time I dated a girl loved her we used to go  to Disneyland as our dates I dated a girl and she eventually became my manager in my department so I  moved departments so we could keep dating because we weren't allowed to date managers so you know  what I'm saying there was a power Dynamic that eventually occurred because she became manager  while I was dating her but you see how I just moved you see how I just moved departments so we  could still date but it didn't you know what I'm sayi

ng like we're I don't even know what we're  talking about here if we're talking about like understanding how adult Dynamics work so again I  think there's like a miscommunication happening when there's alcohol involved when there's weed  involved Love Weed shout out when there's you know subscribers if their subscribers matter  she shouldn't hang out with them that's like me hanging out with PewDiePie and not being  being able to be friends with Felix because he has 100,000 100 million subscribe

rs why would  that matter like why would it matter or I guess I should use a real life friend what are Abba and  I not allowed to be friends because he has like 2 million followers and I have like not even  100,000 subscribers PS guys subscribes we can reach 100,000 subscribers this year but you know  what I mean am I not supposed to be friends with Abba because he has 2 million subscribers well  that feels unfair to both me and Abba that feels so unfair that we're grown adults we're both in  ou

r 30s why wouldn't we be able to be friends just just cuz we have a different subscriber account  and I think if you think that way that's okay but that means you can't be friends with them  not that they can't be friends with you right George could have been friends with her but she's  saying she can't be friends with him because of the subscriber account difference okay then don't  interact with him why you being weird because I didn't want my future at stake because I got  assaulted um but al

so the power that he took by doing it in front of people I'm a very shy  person the power he took by doing it in front of people is that what she said that's my problem  now she's assigning a thought process to George that I'm not convinced he was having because I  got assaulted um but also the power that he took by doing it in front of people the power he took  by doing it in front of people he probably didn't think like it that way but he could have been  so what evidence do we have that Georg

e could have been thinking about it that way right do  with the Super Chat says originally thought the video was about Destiny after I saw his Tweet now  I'm waiting to see what Abba and Britney think so thank you wait what video after I saw his tweet  originally thought the video was about Destiny after I saw his Tweet now I'm waiting to see if  what Abba and Britney thinks so thank you I feel like I'm a little lost but I love that thank  you for the Super Chat appreciate that um so yeah like I

want to know I want to know I'm a  very shy person um it's hard for me to say you know to stand up for myself in regular situations  wouldn't it be safer for him to do it in public so everybody knows it's consensual I have another  story a girl accused me of taking advantage of her would you guys like to hear this story one of  the first women I ever interacted with sexually was a friend of mine that I had for a while she  was pretty promiscuous in our friend group and cheated on her husband so

she was kind of a hoe  but also was really ashamed of it and would often accuse people of taking advantage of her because  she was ashamed of it I didn't realize this at the time but we had gone for mimosas cuz we were all  very into the gay brunch scene went for mimosa and went back to her place with a friend right and I  she and I start getting hot and heavy our friend is watching you know we're all girls three girls  together we're all we've all had mimosas we're all having fun okay the girl

who was watching us has  a camera and goes can I take pictures of you guys and we're like whatever she starts taking photos  of us as I'm pulling off my friend's pants and I'm like are you okay with this is this okay do  you like this do you want this and she'd be like no no I don't want it i' be like okay and then  I'd stop touching her she's like no no no don't stop touching me and I'm like okay so like you're  into it and we were both drunk but I was like okay you're into it and she was like

no like but yes  but like you know and she was like No And I was like okay so you're doing like the fighting thing  right like we're fighting we're doing the like fake fighting thing and so she's like oh my God  don't do it don't do it and then I'd be like okay we're not doing it I would literally stop and then  she be like no keep going and I'm like okay so you want it it was like so it was new I was 21 I was  a virgin never been with anyone in my whole life she was the first first first girl

that I had any  anything with and again our friend was there we had all done stuff before we've all cuddled we've  all slept at each other's houses we've all honked each other's boobs at this point we had all been  like very How I Met Your Mother okay so finally we get to the point where I stop and I go hey I need  to make sure you really want to do this because if you don't want to do this like you know what  I mean she goes no I definitely want to do this but can our friend leave the room beca

use I feel  embarrassed having her watch us and I was like yeah so our friend went and waited outside the  apartment just in front of the door and the other side of the window so we went we fooled around  I pulled down her pants I played with her we did our whole thing I kept my clothes on we had some  fun nothing big like no big deal just like very casual not full on sex just okay after our friend  came back in we all went out and partied we had a bunch of fun it was Midday by the way after bru

nch  okay didn't think anything about it just didn't think anything about it then like a few days later  she goes I feel like you took advantage of me I was like what how and she was like well I feel  like I was drunk I was like first we were both drunk and there was a person watching us and you  gave verbal consent multiple times and I'm so so confused and then a year later she apologizes  to me and says sorry I was fighting a lot of sex shame at the time and I was so embarrassed  that I was sl

eeping around with everybody and I just felt like it contradicted how I felt about  myself as a Republican and a conservative and I was like oh yeah I mean it is kind of weird  how like Pro gay you are and you're sleeping with everyone you're doing things and like she had  problems with trauma and she used to steal things a lot and that eventually eroded the Friendship  eventually the Friendship eroded because she was like lying constantly but here I am virginal 21  I don't know any better I'm t

hinking I met this girl in the Republican scene we're all chilling  she knows I'm like at the time I identified as a lesbian I'm pansexual but like you know what I  mean and it was like a really big life lesson that the Universe taught me huge life lesson that  the Universe taught me and I think these are the lessons that the Universe sends you or your God  or whoever you think put you here and then you have have to decide how to grow from it and not  repeat those mistakes it took a few more mis

takes for me to realize like okay people be lying how  do I find people that aren't going to lie to me well first you got to find people that don't lie  to themselves and trying to find people who don't lie to themselves is actually the hardest part  cuz once they light to themselves they have no choice but to Li to you CU they don't even know  they're lying once Katie decided this was her reality she couldn't help but tell us that's  the real reality because she doesn't know any better you know

what I mean what are we going to  do about it once she decided this was the reality this is how she saw things it doesn't matter if  it's true or not because this is like her this is her thought process Sena says I feel bad for the  husband getting cheating on no no no she didn't cheat on the husband she was divorced when she  was with me for the record she had cheated prior with somebody else another Christian of course  another guy they had cheated together when she and I did stuff she was al

ready divorced for the  record I don't sleep with married people thank you and I knew her husband so I wouldn't have  done that so for the record I do not sleep with married people I do not cheat I've never cheated  I do not participate in cheating okay um but yeah that was like that was so interesting I learned  a lot of life life lessons in those early 20s I learned that people really do lie to themselves  and so they will lie to you you they don't even mean to do it but it will happen but I f

eel like  if that sexual move or you know wanting to take it to the next level if it was done in a private  setting maybe I could have mustered up enough courage to say no I'm not comfortable with this  or to rip his hands out of my [ __ ] bra uh but he did it in on a couch with other people sitting  next to us and with other people in the room any you know any expression I did anything I did it  was on display for other people he took the power away from me in that situation um and once again 

the consent aspect I understand if you think I'm full of [ __ ] I understand if you don't believe  me at all I understand if those two things you think I'm full of [ __ ] about you know who cares  ah that this says I still suck she lied about you I remember this story hurt you so much well to  be fair I've let go of all my hidden anger for people it did hurt me at the time that hurt me  so bad right it's like my first queer experience I was like so excited but what are you going  to do people ha

ve their own Journeys in life you know honestly therapy and philosophy really  saved my life guys it's just crazy what people will do but honestly they just do it because  they think it's right and then you you got to have the boundaries you got to say hey I'm not  asking you to stop I'm just pulling myself away from the situation you can be who you're going  to be I'm just not going to engage that's why those friendships end cuz I'm just not going to  go on that Journey with you but like you do

you you know Halen says she's giving him way too much  power well that's the problem Katie really thinks Katie really gives him so much of the power  and I think that's the problem right that is the problem is that you can't give him the power  to decide how you feel about things that's up to you he never took any power he never tried to  use his power she doesn't tell a story where he did use his power she assumes that what he what  that's what he did but she never gave any evidence that's wha

t he did she always made an action as  if she he would use her power his power against her but he never actually does about the age  who cares about you know the power and balance in the situation ah John says she was too drunk  to leave the room but not that drunk to remember all of the detail that's what's difficult that's  what's so difficult she was too drunk to leave the room too drunk to Advocate her for herself  too drunk too drunk too drunk but here we are reading reading George's mind k

nowing exactly  what happened yeah can ENT is always [ __ ] there he admitted I never gave verbal consent again the  only question he asked is are you ticklish I said [ __ ] no like there was no consent given yeah  that is true she never gave verbal consent the question is does George need verbal consent  to touch her some would say yes some would say no you have to know George is responsible  for knowing who he's dealing with I'm gonna sneeze George is responsible for knowing but he  doesn't kn

ow this he doesn't know he's responsible but he needs to learn that this is the lesson the  universe is sending George you are responsible for knowing who you're dealing with you're responsible  for knowing if she's the kind of person who needs verbal or not verbal consent and she's responsible  for letting him know she needs verbal or nonverbal consent you know what I mean um it doesn't matter  if you're laughing it doesn't matter what you're wearing it doesn't matter where you are uh that  is

not an invitation um and for everyone saying well you could have gave nonverbal consent  I will tell you right now if I was given the opportunity to give even nonverbal consent my  answer would have always been no I'm asexual I don't like sexual stuff um given the option of  doing something sexual my answer is going to be no I'm on the spum of asexual which I don't  know if it's because of my bad experiences but anything sexual makes me extremely wait wait  oh oh comfortable answer is going to b

e no I'm on the spectrum of asexual which I don't  know if it's because of my bad experiences but what do you mean what bad experiences there's  more than one she's 18 by this time cuz listen you're either asexual without bad experiences or  you're what I call performatively asexual which is valid meaning like not interested in sexual  stuff because of experiences but these two are different thing right ace people cannot wait can  be not sex repuls that's true lots of asexual people have sex wit

h their Partners they're not  sex rep repulsed some people are sex repulsed so why does she have multiple situations which  bad experiences because people who have many bad experiences has she ever gone to therapy for  those bad experiences do you because this was my theory day one this was my theory in the  first video do you all remember my theory my theory was that I bet she's been hurt already  and George triggered that thing right but she didn't she put it on George because of her past  exp

eriences do you remember that I told you my theory she has been hurt before and that George  triggered her not that he assaulted her but that it made her feel like it was happening again  you know what I mean I told you this was my theory that's what I told you right and so I think  that's actually what happened I actually believe she's been hurt before I do believe this and I and  I do think that George triggered her accidentally and I believe this this and I'm saying that's  why I wonder if sh

e went to therapy so she could know is she mistreating people accidentally  cuz hurt people hurt people and she repeating the cycle of hurt because she didn't know oh but  Rah said she was her first sexual experience well not everyone counts their assaults I don't  count my assault as a sexual experience I don't know if you guys do that but when I count how  many sexual partners I've had I don't count my rape do you guys count your rape cuz I don't  count mine so so when people ask me like how m

any partners have I been with like I don't I  don't add that number in you know what I mean um I'll explain that but I don't add the number so  maybe she's saying I've never had past like this is the furthest I've ever gone so touching her  boob she said was the furthest she's ever gone sexually okay this is the part of the story that  gets a little confusing even more so okay yeah I would have to talk to her I would have to ask her  M yeah I'd need more I need more clarification on this okay yo

u guys don't count it either okay  okay based yeah I think that's pretty common for us not to count it like I don't know many people  who do count it so I think that makes sense okay this is interesting yeah she said that she that  the touching of the boob was the furthest she's ever gone sexually but now she's saying she's not  sure if she's asexual cuz the bad things she's you know oh I think she just this has been the first  time that I've seen a huge inconsistency if I'm being honest cuz I k

now you guys said there  were inconsistencies before but this one's really good really bad but this one's real this  is a real inconsistency George is the furthest she's ever gone but I think I'm asexual because  of my bad first exp or my bad experiences yeah I would say this is her big her super bad like  super bad mishap cuz now I don't now [Music] sorry girl you [ __ ] up this is a [ __ ]  up oh she'd have to explain this maybe a misspeak maybe maybe she misspoke I mean maybe  she misspoke bu

t this is uh yeah just SC said this and a few other things making me have a  hard time not assuming she's kind of trying to manipulate wording to purposely paint George as  terrible as possible by implying him praying on her yeah yeah for sure but this was the first  time that she got a little all right this is a big oops let's keep watching anything sexual oh  hold on Tom fer in the chat says counting it in a group of consensual experiences would be weird  but if she only has non-consensual exp

eriences then she has nothing else to count maybe what are  the chances of that where' this girl grow up bro maybe I don't know what gen Z I don't know what  genen Z is like experiencing I don't know what their life is experiencing let's rewind it a bit  and try to relisten answer would have always been no I'm a sex so she's not into George it would  have always been no she wasn't into him seual I don't like sexual stuff I don't like sexual  stuff um given the option of doing something sexual my

answer is going to be no I'm on the  spectrum of asexual which I don't know if it's because of my bad experiences but anything sexual  makes me extremely uncomfortable okay um so let's say under the circumstances I'm drunk and I could  have gave non-verbal consent I would have still said no non-verbally however the [ __ ] I could  have done that I believe that that's why I said I believe she really does think it was sexual  assault but also you can accidentally touch a girl's boob and not mean

to sexually assault her  so that's what I mean I'm okay calling a sexual assault if we mean that we're not going to hold  it against George because it was a mistake or I'm not okay calling it sexual assault if by calling  it sexual assault he has to be held accountable to something that was a mistake I just feel like  the only thing he needs to be accountable for is being like Oh my God I'm so sorry bro I misread  the situation and then you go okay don't do it again and then he doesn't do it aga

in um and again  I'm I'm [ __ ] drunk oh you were laughing oh you were doing I'm [ __ ] drunk with my friends how  how did I um the reason I brought up this entire situation and what I was I was hoping to bring  no chemistry says how can she say that but also admit to cuddling and touching um a guy cuddling  isn't sexual if you guys think it is then I don't want you around children cuz you know you can  cuddle children and not be sexual cuddling is not sexual if you grow up in that bubble that's

  your business but like in my bubble you can cuddle with your cousins you can cuddle with your  friends you can cuddle with your parents you can cuddle with friends and not be sexual I don't know  who raised you that you're not allowed to cuddle your friends but I was not raised like that and  I was raised in a conservative bubble you think I didn't cuddle with my friends so again I don't  know why cuddling is sexual so she could have cuddled with people and had have been totally  platonic okay

super important okay cuddling is not always sexual if it is for you that's  fine but you're telling on yourself and that's fine okay light to this wasn't about [ __ ]  this wasn't about him this wasn't about him I was trying to bring light to BL idolization how  dangerous it is coming from someone who was a viewer how danger she shouldn't have been hanging  out with them come like saying that right there she's literally telling on herself she's saying  I don't even see myself as an adult I don'

t even see myself as an equal I don't then why were you  in the room with them you know what I mean have you guys never cuddle drunk with your friends  like puppies you guys are missing out let me tell you I had to dismantle guys if racism can be  dismantled you think cuddling can't again things are constructs is gender even real okay literally  if you've never cuddled with your friends I don't even know you're missing out okay you're missing  out you're missing out and that's your business I do

n't live in those bubbles I've sought out very  awesome people in my life I've gone to cuddle parties I've hang out with people I love hanging  out with people that are like you ever hung out with a hippie or a nudist it's like saying  nudism is always sexual um okay have you ever traveled the globe have you ever gone to different  countries nothing is always always everyone does things different than you okay so you do you but  like that's not that's not just not true if George and dream cuddle

because they're drunk are they  being sexual together or are they just friends who are cuddling with a person you don't know though  I've cuddled with people I don't know yeah and it's been great like I said there's always going  to be bad circumstances but if you're with really good people everything can be safe but you have  to be with safe people I've cuddled with strangers I've I've never had anyone feel me up I've always  had a good time if people mistake if people misread the situation we

just correct them and  they go back to being normal again everybody has a different lived experience your lived experience  is fine but if you think sexual like cuddling is always sexual then Katie's right touching a boob  without verbal consent is always essay if you you think cuddling is always sexual then touching  a boob without verbal consent is always sexual assault that's what you're doing right now you are  saying no matter the intent no matter what people say it's always this way you w

ere doing a ky so  make a decision make a decision is cuddling always sexual then touching a boob without verbal consent  definitely sexual assault make a decision which one is it kid with the Super Chat says are they  are they her friends or not she keeps switching um friendly I think they're friendly cuz what does  friends mean I'm friends with a lot of people I don't know you feel me I know a lot of YouTubers  we all call each other friends I don't know these people I've never hung out with t

hem offline I  don't know their real names I don't know their families zman says I cuddle with my Bros all day  let's go Bros in the chat you know Cuddles in the chat let's go dangerous it is to blindly idolize  these people that you don't know and I always tell my viewers that to not idolize me to the point of  Defending me till like you die you know it's it's unhealthy um people people aren't going to be not  everyone is who they seem and it's a hard pill to swallow but it's important to swall

ow it you know  what I mean like and especially in these kind of situations where you're so you idolize someone to  the point of where something bad comes out about them and you just dig for excuses for them for  sure that does happen absolutely right that does happen we know it happens we see people bat for  people no matter how bad their behavior all the time we see that it's normal we all do that and  the question is is how you batting like I always try to meet people where they're at which s

ome  people always think that's me defending them I'm not Defending Your bad actions I'm just saying I  know why you did them and I'm saying like you know you can hold yourself accountable but again  I don't believe like audiences need to hold their content creators accountable you need to  hold yourself accountable for watching who you watch which is different but Katie already said  she didn't hold herself accountable cuz she said she was going into that event right knowing she  was a fan know

ing there was a power Dynamic so she didn't even respect herself enough to not go  and then she'll say well I was drunk before I got there okay you made a lot of mistakes that night  welcome to con quences also George made a lot of mistakes at night welcome to consequences there's  so many excuses instead of just accepting it you know that's where it gets dangerous that's where  it's dangerous for everyone involved um it's it's again I know how hard something like this can be  to accept it's lik

e you know if your best friend you know your best friend so much and they someone  someone comes to you and says they did something to them you don't want to believe it because  you know well I mean I might believe it I have crazy friends look if somebody came to me and  said hey one of your brothers did this I'd be like which brother which one hey your best friend  did this which one cuz some of my best friends be wild some of them might have done something but  mostly it's because humans are g

oing to human the question is if they really did that thing you  should probably uh call the cops but also some of my siblings there ain't no [ __ ] way bro if  someone came and told a lie about somebody I knew I'd like that doesn't match their character  probably not but some of my brothers be wild now I'm not talking about grape or anything but I  am talking about I mean depends which brother which friend who which one cuz maybe if it matches  their character not everyone look I judge people o

n their character what's your values what would  you do when Temptation comes your way if I got a friend that's always cheating and someone comes  to me goes your friend cheated I like that makes sense they tend to do that if they were like what  are you going to do about it I don't know go ask them they're the adult what the [ __ ] like they  know I don't like cheating what am I going to do go spank them don't date my friends don't date  my cheating friends but also what do you want me to do go

spank them on the bottom what I their  mom I'm not their mom but like that's you know what I mean so again I think people have this idea  like oh I would defend I would bury a body for my friend girl I ain't going to bury a body for none  of you if you shut up a school I'm calling the cops on you I'll visit you in prison cuz you're  like you're the you know but I'm not I'm not gonna I didn't make that decision with my life okay like  I love you guys I'm right or die in the sense that I will alw

ays love your Consciousness but I'm  calling the cops on you with peace and love you crazy [ __ ] know your best friend and you  don't think they could ever do that I mean look at them because you know them so well except you  don't [ __ ] know these people you you you don't know these people they aren't your best friend  these are these are people that create content to millions of people they aren't yeah but she  did the same thing she objectified George in the same way she had a parasocial re

lationship with  him and then she she went crazy on him your best friend like you don't you don't know who they  could be and again and that's why I think it's so important it leaves you in a situation where  you're like well how can I trust anyone how can I it's so important to see the yeah why would we  trust her why would we trust them I don't trust any of them how about that I don't trust any of  them do you know what I trust I trust my judgment I don't trust George I don't trust dream I don

't  trust Katie you know who I do trust me I trust my judgment I trust me I've earned my own trust she  hasn't earned [ __ ] for me me I don't know those people I don't know dream I don't trust George I  don't trust none of them but I trust my judgment okay and my judgment is [ __ ] good bro okay  so I trust my judgment it's not perfect it's not perfect I make mistakes but damn it's pretty  good okay so that's what we need to do don't trust these people don't trust dream or George you don't  kno

w them I trust me I trust my judgment of them and I think it's pretty good the people that do  know these content creators that have spent time with these people these content creators that do  know these people have had private conversations with these people speaking out against them it's  so blatantly obvious these people that have seen them behind the scenes that's true but how do  you know the difference between somebody just having like a principal disagreement with you  and then somebody

literally thinking you're a predator and talking about it with the internet  right cuz I definitely have a lot of principled issues with people but like I don't need to make  videos outing them you know cuz I do know stuff about your favorites but it's not enough you know  it's not that it's just toxicity who cares bro I don't care about people being toxic if you want to  talk about it talk about it but like they already out themselves if you can't figure out they're  toxic like honestly you're

kind of dumb and at that point maybe the universe is trying to teach  you a lesson you know what I mean so again I think what you need to pay attention to is the fact that  again I don't know what Katie's real motivation is with telling this story but even if the people  know you behind closed doors you know people hate each other people spread rumors people lie  about each other so again like what if they just don't like you what if they decide you know how  many people oh my God I don't know i

f you're new to my community back in the day a YouTuber he  he accused me of running a cult first of all I don't have time to run a cult I'm busy watching  anime I'm literally on episode almost like 700 of One Piece everybody relax okay no spoilers in  the chat but literally the idea that I would be running a cult is like the funniest thing so now  the meme on my channel is that join the Discord it's a cult right it's like a joke because this  YouTuber who was totally insane just thought it woul

d be he's like yeah I think you're running a  cult which he eventually took back of course cuz he's a [ __ ] idiot but the thing is is he was  a grown-up in his 30s who had the audacity to make accusations and that's what I'm saying this  idea that like just cuz someone says [ __ ] Bro doesn't mean anything lots of people say [ __ ]  you know who you should listen to is the content creator you should pay attention to me if you  think I'm suspicious hate me for the real me not the version of me i

n your head I don't mind  if you hate me but you got to hate me for the real me not the version of me in your head I'm not  a cult leader nobody's got time to run that cult but hey if you guys want to join the cult join  the Discord 18 plus thank you that have hung out with them you know that have distanced themselves  since then or that have spoken out against them um I was just hoping that this situation could  open people's eyes um and again Open Your Eyes Lord help them to see your face how

scary and how  open their eyes Lord It's just building more and more this this Devotion to these people um but  I was just hoping to open some people's eyes I guess um and it's definitely a problem bigger than  me um this is just about the behind the scenes of this community you know and all the people that  have Fall Fallen victim to it I mean there's so much [ __ ] that goes down and I'm just one of  the ones that have came out about my story um I don't want to sit here and keep having to prov

e  myself I can't I can't I can't sit here and have to watch his responses and see his face and watch  him describe it I I can't I can't keep doing this and I'm accepting the fact that uh maybe you  know nobody believes me I'm accepting the fact I've I'm accepting it um but also I feel like  georgana says do you think George needs to make a new statement I don't know if he needs to make a  new statement um but I think ultimately I think I don't know if he needs to make a new statement  but Disco

rd says I still haven't received my cloak mask or vibrating butt plug for the cult  meetings I feel slighted my bad guys I'll send those out right away sorry cult cult members I'll  send those out right away um yeah I don't know if George needs to make a new statement at this  point I think it's pretty clear uh that they just live in completely different bubbles have  a completely different take on things neither of them seem to trust themselves very much but I  think they need to learn how to a

nd I think this is the lesson that the life gives you as a young  person is to like learn how to trust yourself and also learn how to hold yourself accountable  by your own metric of value and like values are very different and morals are very different  like they're very difficult to know they're so specific to you the Consciousness um I'm not  even sure where Katie's values lie but uh you know somewhere here you know C with the Super  Chat says one more thing if she didn't want a career in con

tent creation why does speaking  about this uh actions affect her in terms of the power he holds reason she gave for not coming  forward earlier you know a great question I think if I'm not mistaken I think she wanted to be a  content creator but then everything happened and then she didn't want to be one after all is that  true which by the way she's allowed to change her mind about later she is allowed to say actually  guys I've decided to be a content creator so I'm not sure but that's a good

point I I think I'm  confused about when she decided not to become a content creator but also just a shout out to  my normies out there I don't know if you guys know this even though much of the world is on  social media posting their problems I hope you know the most well adjusted people are not posting  their neighbors online they're not filming people in public they're absolutely not writing hate  comments on videos and they're certainly not streaming I say this as a streamer the healthiest 

most adjusted people are certainly not on the internet in the way that we are and I say this as  a streamer I have just the right amount of trauma to be willing to be on the internet okay and this  girl here if she doesn't want to be a content creator sure girl sure especially in this  situation there's nothing I could say that could change some people's minds I think again  because of this idolization this is how it's dangerous how no matter what I say no matter  what proof I come out about pe

ople that don't want to believe will never believe they will never  believe no matter what comes out hey that's true I mean that's true right there's always people who  won't believe no matter how much the guy could confess the girl could confess they could people  could literally confess and people like nah not you BR not you it's like I'm literally telling  you I did it they're like nah not you bro not you bro it's because they don't want to they will  continue to find excuses to not face real

ity um as for any forgiving or anything feel like it's  very obvious I was never in a position to forgive anyone I didn't yeah wait what proof oh well I  guess him admitting it like I guess them saying it into this wanting to forget that I mean I would  like George I okay if George comes out and says I touch her titty I think I'm okay with that I still  stand by everything I said but I think that would help clear up some stuff because if that's the  case then I still think I'm the most right I s

till think I'm the most right if he touched her titty  and it did happen that way then I think I'm the most right he genuinely thought it was consensual  she genuinely thought it was uncons now they have to argue about who's more right but the dilemma  is both truths can exist at the same time cuz it's about perception he comes from a bubble where he  didn't think about verbal consent beforehand she comes from a bubble where she expected consent  beforehand okay so oops my bad it's like the repo

rter that interviewed Saddam Hussein and  accidentally crossed his legs and showed the bottom of his shoe and Saddam walked out of the  interview okay my bad maybe the guy should have done re some research before he interviewed him  maybe Saddam Hussein should kill himself that's a joke because he's dead also he tortured a lot  of my family and friends so you know also he was a human doing human things I get it but okay we  all have a different way to have conversations so again bubble meets bub

ble boom boom anyone um and  again that is my choice by the way fun fact some people loved Saddam Hussein as he like saved  their family members some people hated Saddam Hussein as he gassed their family members I'm just  saying bubbles uh but especially how I've seen the things play out um the way I've been treated um  especially since his responses okay uh first of all in a couple years she's going to have an O if  you guys talk [ __ ] on sex work I will block you I am on o and I [ __ ] love t

hat life and there's  nothing wrong with being on o and if she wants to be a sex worker I think that's [ __ ] beautiful  but if she doesn't want to be a sex worker that's beautiful if you sex shame in my I will block  you cuz this is my bubble and in my bubble no you can have a difference of opinion but don't sex  shame her don't go after her sexually don't do that I would never forgive uh I wouldn't  um I've been belittled blamed invalidated been called a liar been called Amber  herd been calle

d called any name even though he sat there and admitted to it um  again it's not false allegations when I came out about my sexual assault  story and he admitted to it um the amount of victim blaming though has been  insane and in these situations it's a very real issue that happens to this day it happens all  the time when someone comes out about something the people saying I shouldn't have been illegally  drinking well that's what you get for being you know illegal illegally drinking you know

if I  was in the UK where I am most of the time uhoh drinking legally at 18 and this situation still  happened what then because I know the people saying it's my fault cuz I was illegally drinking  would just find another reason to blame me that's true that's true people victim victim blaming is  unnecessary you can victim blame uh and she can still hold herself s accountable like you can you  don't have to victim blame I just think there's no reason to do that now when we talk about  preventati

ve measures you can do everything right and still get raped you should still try  to do everything right just FYI because there are ways to sus out the rapist example if she had  verbalized George don't touch my tits and then if he said doesn't matter and touched her anyway  it's a pretty good way of indicating he's sussy Baka even if I was legally drinking they would  find another reason to blame me it's not about the drinking it's not about the fact I laughed  it's about the fact that you just

want to find a reason to blame me for the situation that  happened to me um people saying I shouldn't have been laughing that shouldn't have I was  drunk oh my God I was drunk like your mindset during that is it doesn't change what you want  and don't want and again like that's not true though people well kind of actually some people  have a theory that alcohol exposes the real you I don't think I'm my real self when I'm drunk I'm  going to be real with you but I do think a lot of people drink

because they want liquored courage to  do things they never would have done sober so they can use the alcohol as an excuse for doing them  I think it just depends on the category of person so when I say categories guys we're all talking  about blue we're all talking about drunk people but which color of drunk people are we talking  about are talking about the drunk people that get drunk and then blame the alcohol for what  they do because they wouldn't have been able to do it sober or do they dr

ink alcohol in order and  then not remember things like some people it takes four shots to get drunk and for other people it  takes half a shot for some people they remember things when they're blacked out for some people  they don't that's why it's called blacked out for some people they're so you know everyone is so  different right but I do think a lot of people are willing to blame somebody no matter what I know  people who've had their Dr drinks like drugged and people still blame them for

drinking the drink and  I'm like they're they're they didn't know their drink was drugged bro like somebody drugged their  drink and they're like they should have known it's like how would they have known that some people  are shitty some people blame you for your rapes those people suck [ __ ] those people don't talk  to those people they [ __ ] suck if people blame you for your rapes they [ __ ] suck okay don't  talk to them have some boundaries remove yourself from them [ __ ] them in this si

tuation absolute  miscommunication happened and by her definition in her bubble totally sexually like sexual assault  absolutely and I looked up the qual the qualifiers for some places in like at the University  of California I was looking up their consent rules today just I don't I was doing research  and actually by their definition it was sexual assault if she was on college campus and this  happened it would be considered sexual assault it's a bubble thing in other bubbles it's not  sexual a

ssault it depends the reason we clarify a sexual assault is so if you want to press charges  we can the law is on your side now if you don't want to press charges because you're consenting  to it that's different that's why spitting on someone is assault guys if you spit on someone it  is considered assault if you press charges if you don't press charges because you're consensually  allowing your partner to spit on you then nobody cares the only reason the law does that is so it  gives opportuni

ties for people to press charges if necessary like someone does a racist act and a  white guy spits on a black person obviously press charges that's sexual assault and a sexual assault  that's assault and a and a and a hate crime but if you're in an interracial relationship and someone  spits on each other during sex it's just called a good time because it's consensual the only  reason the law has the the the writing is so people if needed can go to the law which by the  way there's still a judg

e and a jury and there's a whole process there's a whole process okay but  obviously when we're having these conversations have you never seen someone uncontent spit on  someone it's obviously assault have you ever seen one seen someone consensually spit on someone  it's kind of a good time not my thing but it's kind of a good time not my thing but you know like  it's people saying I probably liked it and now I just regret it I didn't I'm telling you I didn't I  believe her I believe she didn't

want it I do not believe I truly believe she did not mean to signal  to him that if was okay I truly believe this was a complete miscommunication I 1,000% believe that  she did not flirt with him in a way that to her was real flirting cuz look I gave flirt with my  friends all the time I'm not inviting you to have sex with me I can see why you mistook that but  I would just tell you you know and yes he was drunk he was drunk as well so he's going to [ __ ]  misunderstand communication Bros so I

believe her and I believe him I believe George and I believe  Kate I believe both of them had a genuine like situation happen of a complete miscommunication  and now the point is is she going to believe that and if she doesn't I do think that's kind of  crazy and if like he believes her by the way George believes her but he's saying I didn't mean  to do that it was a mistake you know what I mean but if she doesn't recognize that I think that's  because she's been hurt in the past and she really

needs to go to therapy she needs to go to trauma  counseling like a a specific counseling Tom poery says her text from the next day proved she was  uncomfortable yeah I think she needs to go to in like focused counseling for trauma because  she said she's been hurt in the past which she admitted in this video which is why I think George  might have triggered her accidentally but I do believe George and I believe Katie at this point  so now we have to talk about what do we do when the situation o

ccurs it's really tough It's really  [ __ ] tough I really genuinely hope Kitty moves on and I hope George moves on but now yes we go  into healing time exactly not impressed we go into healing time and we go into trauma therapy and we  go into forgiveness mode because humans are going to human and this was a very human situation and  it's not the first time it's going to happen it's not the last if you interact with people guys you  will accidentally hug somebody touch their hair maybe even kis

s them you'll misread social cues  cuz it's just it's it's a part of being a person apologize move on and if you notice a pattern if  you notice somebody playing dumb to manipulate people then you can start taking you know you can  start really putting together some evidence but I just I don't think George is lying and I just  don't think Katie's lying I think they're really misunderstanding the situation I think George has  a much clearer understanding though because he was very compassionate t

owards Katie I'm waiting for  Katie to be compassionate towards him but she is 19 and seems is pretty traumatized I I don't  know how loud I have to shout it Tom said she didn't say in the past the gnf thing was from  eight months ago no she said this in this video though she said she's asexual and she was asexual  when she met George and she said I didn't know if I'm asexual from past stuff meaning when she  was asexual if when she met George meaning past stuff would be prior to George and agai

n I'm  asexual I would have never liked it and then see so she says she's asexual she's not sure if  it's because of past stuff which means prior to George regretted it I would have never liked  it to begin with I'm trying to tell you this I believe that um it's always a she shouldn't  have done that she should have done this she shouldn't have been wearing that she shouldn't  have done this rather than a simple he shouldn't have done what he did it's it's it's never just as  simple he should ha

ve controlled himself it's it's always it's always you know her fault these  situations and never his for not controlling himself I don't get it and I I know she doesn't  get it and I wish I could explain it to her he he wasn't thinking I need to control myself he  was thinking like you're not thinking like that you're not thinking okay as a person who was DD  so many times in her life I never like looked at my friends and thought you should control yourself  from grabbing your keys when you're

drunk they're drunk everyone's drunk they're a mess it's  messy that's why drinking is so dangerous I never thought like drunk people should  learn to control themselves drunk people are the most people who don't know how to  control themselves right what you do is you pre-plan When You're Sober that's why being  drunk is so sad because it can lead to like drowning it can lead to getting assaulted  being misunderstood accidentally starting a fight with someone you don't mean to you  know what I

mean I don't recommend drinking unless you're with people who can watch you  or have your back the one time I got [ __ ] over drinking was in a group of people and  I didn't have anyone watching me or having my back and yeah I got [ __ ] over bro it sucks  but alcohol is a really dangerous like activity if you don't prepare and if it's not a culture  you're used to and you don't have you know what I mean take a drinking buddy guys drinking  buddies are really great kind of sucks for the sober bu

ddy but you know it's nice to have a  drinking buddy there somebody who's sober and can watch you so again I think she's right to have  wanted it to gone to have gone differently but it couldn't have gone differently given  the situation because they were both drunk I would also like to point out it's  not a her and he situation uh because men get assaulted too okay rules are that's assault  men get assaulted too it can happen to anyone and that's very real and that's a conversation  that really

should be had uh but not in this situation um it's not my fault for smiling uh  it's not my fault for being there it's it's just not um I acknowledg that I was naive  I acknowledge but I'm not I'm not going to apologize for being Mia says think the chat  is just split on whether she genuinely thinks this or whether she's a fan whose fantasy was  let down and the sound of soured her view of George Lov seeing both sides to be honest  yeah I [Music] think I don't think she was reject Reed by Georg

e she rejected him even by  his account and her account there was nothing like there's not even a rejection actually I  take that back nobody was really rejected it just went the way it went and nothing more  happened right I don't think anyone rejected anybody so there was no reason to for anyone to  feel rejected and they were still friends after so yeah naive and not realizing thing you know  the way the world is sometimes you know um I would also like to acknowledge this is another  thing th

at I am going to acknowledge and tank accountability for um my goal for coming out about  this all I've strayed very far away from my goal um U my goal when I came out about this oh Mia  says I didn't mean the rejection I meant what she imagined he to be like oh yeah yeah maybe that  happened that happens you can meet someone and be like Oh I thought you were different but that  doesn't mean like you need to make accusations you know you know what I mean she rejected him  at the elevator she did

n't reject him sort of cuz he didn't ask her to come sleep with him she  just didn't take the hint to come in the elevator isn't that interesting so she read his mind right  she was doing a lot of mind reading cuz he didn't say come to the elevator like come to my room and  have sex with me so she didn't even like reject him in a real way she just didn't go into the  elevator and going into the elevator wouldn't have been consent that's what's so confusing about  the whole thing Maria with the S

uper Chat says she texted her friends and said she was chilling  in the moment but thought different afterwards it sounds like she was consenting at the time  but regretted it later um okay it sounds to me like like she was okay with it in general but  the more she thought about it and the more she heard from her friends she decided actually I'm  really uncomfortable and I'm mad about this and then instead of actually talking it through with  a professional she probably talked about it with her

friends and she's very probably confused  about exactly all of it how she feels about like in 10 years I'm sure she'll have a different  relationship with this how she feels about it what the relationship is all of that you you know what  I mean and so I'm not convinced she really even knows how she feels about it now cuz I think  that's the problem with introspection is like in order for her to introspect very deeply she  would have to first dismantle all of the trauma in her life dismantle all

of the layers like  if you watch you they're private now but I used to have videos showing how I would tell the same  stories differently and once I dismantled all of them down to like what I think is like actually  true I tell the stories differently every time cuz I'm like oh at this time in my life I saw  from this perspective and then now I'm seeing it from this because there's so many ways to  view a perspective like when people are racist towards me and they call me like a sand nword I  k

now that a part of them isn't calling me that because they actually know I'm Middle Eastern  a lot of people think I'm Jewish but I'm Iraqi you know I'm a Syrian and I know that if I tell  that story in some way I'm like see people are racist but then I know for a fact that people  are just calling me that because they know it will piss me off but now that it doesn't piss  me off I know that they're not even doing it cuz they're racist they're bored and it's like  depending on what stage of my l

ife I tell this story I can come at it with different narratives  and now that I'm seeing people for like more like how they are versus how I assume they are because  of what I've been told people are I'm like oh you don't even care you don't even care you're just  like oh this pisses her off I'll throw a slur at her I'm like oh you're not even racist you're  bored that's even the worst right oh my God yes Kitty let's go you're Rocky too let's go  so again when we're having this conversation we

have to ask ourselves what what P like what  version of perception like what are you saying to me what do you mean by this interesting so in  10 years I don't know how Katie is going to feel about this or think about this but I'm excited to  find out if she's still a content creator I would love to know what changed or if anything changed  you know this uh was for it not to be about drama for it not to be about caning and I know you hear  that now and you're probably thinking you're the biggest

hypocrite in the world and I acknowledge  that I have strayed anytime I reply to oh wait sorry Abby good point Abby said I don't know I  feel like she was giving him conflicting signals that could look like non-verbal consent and  I think she kind of admitted to that because she was scared to offend or reject him that is  true actually wait to wait wait wait that is true Technically when she was on the couch she  admitted that she went through with it thinking it was what she had to do to networ

k with bigger  content creators she thought it was the price to pay that's a good point that's a good point [Music] O hold on cuz she thought yeah she  said this is the price I have to pay to be in the situation I'm willing to pay it which  means you sold yourself sold for clout that sucks so not sexual assault but also she felt  uncomfortable and wish she didn't make that decision maybe it's a okay this is going to  sound crazy what if it's a decision of like I don't want to be a girl that make

s connections  only using my body but also if that's the only way I can make connections I'm willing to do  it but also I hate that I have to do that that kind of sucks but who told you you had to do that  none of the guys asked for sex none of the guys pursued kissing her at George touched her boob  maybe which means yeah and then he respected her consent and didn't push her further yeah it's  very hard you know okay here's my final here's my final Theory genuinely if she could not see them  as

peers as equals then no matter what happened it would have been a problem we were drinking and  that was uncool we were in a hotel room locked up together that's crazy oh my God he touched my  boob I think possibly even without him touching her boob she might have come up with a reason  why it was uncomfortable to be drinking in the first place with people maybe because if this is  about power dynamics then she shouldn't have been drinking with people in general she shouldn't  have been in that

room but that's the problem is cuz like she was a legal adult she was with  people she didn't consider her peer so I have a feeling no matter what she did she would have  felt like she was being being babysat Maybe yeah there's like a lot here I don't want to assume  it's just like oh I simply regret it it sounds to me like she's not even sure if she's like who  she is which again trauma therapy introspection like who is Katie so again the okay this is  a conversation that happens a lot on YouT

ube If smaller creators make content about bigger  creators do bigger creators have the right to come after smaller creators yes if they have the  right to defend themselves no if they're punching down and bullying for no reason but ultimately  people have the right to defend themselves and you are all content creators so you're all adults  if you're an adult content creator right and I always hated this argument because I'm like I'm  an adult you can make a video about me but like also I can un

derstand how in some situations  bigger content creators use this as a reason to Send Their audience after smaller content creators  so again which situation are we looking at and I think we're looking at a situation where a smaller  content creator is punching up and expecting the guy not to punch back and I think that's  probably the wrong assessment you know what I mean ah Tom fer says she also makes it about  verbal consent but based on the pressure she says she felt it sounds like she would

have verbally  consented as well well that's the problem we'll never know that and I don't want to make that  assumption on her behalf but it obviously is a concern of mine if she's already gone into the  situation feeling like she's not equal to them it's like why do you feel that way right Taylor  says Cactus mom Katie's Katie's mom Cactus mom really Britney Katie's mom said she only she  can only go to VidCon if looked after by ghosty I heard that too I'm not sure what that means like  you'r

e an adult you my parents were not telling me where to go at 18 I'm like an adult I have a job  I'm working three jobs and I have a car why are my parents telling me where to go at 18 you know what  I mean what is that about so if her mom thought she was too immature to handle her life which she  probably was cuz she was newly 18 right see my parents said hey you play with fire you're going  to get burned and my parents are pretty ruthless about it bro I'm not saying that's better I'm not  you k

now but yeah I think if her mom is sending her there with a hopes friends will watch her then  maybe her friend also is to be held responsible in some aspect but ghost [ __ ] is [ __ ] the  one who ran off puking you know what I mean on Twitter anytime I made a response on Twitter  anytime I was like look at these screenshots like it opened the floor for it to be viewed as  drama and as you know me trying to ruin his life I made those tweets out of I felt like I was backed  into a corner I made

those tweets out of anger um seeing him say he would have never like like cross  someone's boundaries it just I was really upset um and I acknowledged by doing that stuff I strayed  away from my goal of why I did this all but Annie said didn't shovel say something similar that  older content creators need to take care of the younger ones ew I don't want to be part of any of  your communities I don't know if she said that but let me tell you right now I'm not your friend I  don't want to be part

of your community I'm not a part of your click and no I don't want to come  to brunch I am not here to take care of you you have a mother you can go see her and if she's dead  suckss okay I might like to be called Mama Simon which the internet dubbed me but at the same time  girl I'm not your real mama I didn't get birth to you absolutely not older content creators need  to take care of younger ones absolutely not I don't want that responsibility I do not consent  I do not consent figure your [ 

__ ] out bro it is true that that was my goal in the beginning  for everyone that watched my first stream and didn't stop that happened people watched my stream  heard me tell my story how scared I was to heard my story but stopped after the story was done to  go in their Notes app to write down every single detail about the guy that did it to go to Twitter  to then form these bands and figure out who did it and who to attack it wasn't [ __ ] about him it  wasn't about him and if you would have

listened that's true the internet sucks the internet sucks  you guys are a Cess pool of people the internet is a Cess pool of of trolls and goblins and I know  I live here but that's why I protect myself with peace and love she's right the internet sucks bro  the way I have seen Reddit talk about me like girl they don't have any clue who I am the way they  Mis categorize me is insane bro but that's life it dos suck it's why again I want to know who told  her to tell her story why would you take

this heat without understanding but she's 19 she probably  thought I don't know she probably just thought she's telling her story it make sense you know  what I mean past my story and listen to any of the things I talked about after it's about victims  it's it's barely even about me it's me telling my story about assault it's about assault and it's  about the things that now I know some victims of assault were really upset with her they're like  real victims don't feel this way I think that's re

ally [ __ ] up I do I think I think victims of  sexual I'm a victim of sexual assault Survivor of sexual assault or rape I should say this I'm not  upset at Katie I have no reason to be her story isn't my story our stories are very different  I had a completely different story um we're not talking about the same things my life isn't her  life my brain isn't her brain I'm not mad at her I don't think she represents me I don't think she  makes it worse for victims uh victims need Katie's help it w

as bad enough I'm not going to let the  whole responsibility right on the shoulders of a 19-year-old when I'd rather point fingers  at politicians and leaders right like I'm not going to hold a 19 19-year-old more accountable  than I would hold people who are in charge of me legally who represent me in the law judges Supreme  Courts I'm not interested in holding a 19-year-old accountable uh as bad representation for victims  of rape when we have grown men on sitcoms radio shows YouTube shows ope

nly talking about running  train on women who don't even know or too drunk to consent I'm that interested in holding a  19-year-old accountable but if you would like to blame her for the regression if you would like  to blame her instead of grown-ups sure absolutely you do that but I'm not going to do that that  go on behind the scenes and it became this thing about him about canceling him about him about  drama it turned into this thing for to spread hate and to spread you know people just figh

ting  and picking sides and then people commenting on it you know the commentary like it's like it's  a [ __ ] Sports match and it's not real [ __ ] life I can't I can't turn it off I can't you can  you can argue about it on Twitter you can you can watch videos about it you can talk about it on  a podcast you can make a video covering it but then you can move on to the next hit topic  you can move on to the next trending thing you can turn off your phone and it doesn't exist  anymore I can't tur

n off my life I can't turn off my memories I can't turn it off it's something  that I really recommend therapy I do I think it would help in immensely just like as somebody  I'm looking for a therapist right now I really want more help with my PT P SD um I think it  would be really great but in general I think it would really help her because it doesn't have  to haunt you forever it does eventually shut off or gets brought back up I don't think about my  rape every day guys it happened a long ti

me ago sometimes I still get triggered which is why I  want to go to therapy but I've been triggered twice in the last like four years twice medically  triggered I don't think about my rape every day day there is another side to this I want to  give Katie hope I want to give you guys all hope if you're still in the process of thinking  about it every day there's another side there's absolutely another way to live your life and to  like put yourself at rest even when you're still I'm still like I

said I'm still working on it I  hope to get down to zero triggers medical triggers but like you don't you don't have to live with it  every day but that takes time my assaults happen like 12 12 years ago long time ago 12 years ago no  longer 14 years ago long time ago guys long time ago hers just happened regardless of it being a  miscommunication she still has a relationship with it that's negative therapy will help you a good  therapist will help you I recommend DBT for her CU I recommend DBT

for everybody but I think  in her case it actually might be specifically helpful you know that happened to me you know  Abby with the Super Chat says my theory is that she didn't like it but in the moment didn't assert  her boundaries because of her own assumptions and perceptions of the situation now she's upset  that George and see passed her conflicting non-verbal cues I agree with that I think she did  not know how to State her boundaries I think she was perceiving it incorrectly which I th

ink was  probably a contributing uh from her past trauma that she referenced in this video I agree with  that you know I do agree with that Taylor says after listening to dream space yesterday yesterday  I Taylor I'm assuming you're the one who sent it to me I got this video called dream space and  it was like a dream video from like two weeks ago talking about the incident his perspective he  did say sorry to Katie he was very compassionate Taylor says after listening to dream space  yesterday

did you see how the smear campaign uh him and by association has made them into  villains how Katie has all the assumptions about them yeah I do and I think that within reason  Katie probably feels like she's telling the truth you know Big D says what's the difference  between a medical trigger and a regular trigger well the internet says trigger is like when you're  upset and I I've been saying medical trigger to explain it to the internet cuz sometimes when  I say trigger I think they think I'

m saying I'm upset a being upset is not a trigger that's  like a internet term a medical trigger meaning like you're put back in that situation when a  military Soldier is medically triggered because he hears fireworks or she fear hears fireworks  on Fourth of July and she's put back or he is put back in that situation it's like you go back  to where you were when you have the relationship with the PTSD incident cptsd is long-term  trauma over long-term time PTSD is a single incident that causes

a reaction inside the self  so PTSD usually is triggered and it puts you back and sort of you think the Situation's happening  again internet says triggered to meaning upset so I'm realizing some of the miscommunication I  might have even had with other YouTubers when I said oh I was triggered I think they think I mean  I'm upset and I'm like no I'm medically triggered I'm it's not up to me I'm like back in this zone  right so again just like with a military Soldier we're not going to hold him

accountable by being  triggered back into his PTSD memory but we would say to him obviously you're not within reason  to be triggered but you still get triggered because it's your PTSD so it's within reason same  with Katie it's not reasonable that she thought George was like assaulting her but also given her  past and her understanding of the context it's understandable why she's doing that so just like  with a military Soldier it's not reasonable for him to like hurt people because he's trigge

red but  we understand why he got there right we understand why he got there so then it's kind of like we're  more lenient on him right because we get it we get why it happened okay like again you want to meet  people where they're at you want to be loving and compassionate you understand why people get there  I think there's plenty of reasons why Katie is the way she is I think therapy would help dismantle  those things and help her really know what's going on if she's got a good therapist you

got to  get a good therapist and you also got to be ready to change you know cloudy thank you so much for  the compliments on my hair appreciate it anytime someone asks what's the furthest you've gone  that's my story that's what I'm reminded of it and I can't turn that off it's a real thing it's  real people the purpose of me trying to come out about this I was I was trying to bring you know  I finally felt safe to tell my story uh and for all the people George say sorry even though it was  her

fault well George said sorry because he did do something to violate Katie you can say sorry for  accidentally doing something guys that's the good thing to do is to say I'm so sorry I didn't mean  to oh I'm so sorry I didn't realize you didn't want it oh my God I'm so sorry I I totally made a  mistake George apologized because he did something wrong he misread the situation he should have  apologized that was good George did really good he apologized for the misunderstanding that's what  he sho

uld have done and then she should have gone oh my God it's okay now that I know it's an like a  mistake I okay cool like you know what I mean does that make sense why do you guys keep saying  she's still a virgin I don't know if she's a virgin it's not a my business what does it matter  if she's still a virgin am I crazy like what does it matter if she's a virgin or not a virgin like  that's does that have anything to do with the situation I don't want I don't need to know the  status of her vir

ginity in these situations that pressure other creators to make commentaries on  it that at other creators being like say something [ __ ] you what are you what are you doing why  are you begging at these other creators to say something to make comments just so you have more  more things to consume in this situation these are real people you don't know what they're  going through behind the scenes you don't know how they're processing it I mean imagine  something like that happening to you and t

hen you're getting grilled to it's not about any of  them it's not about them it's not about him it's about especially the creators that I never knew I  wasn't aware about had stories that have reached out to me you never know what someone's going  through adding someone in these kind of sensitive situations telling them to speak on it you don't  know what they've went through you don't know if they've went through things with these people  too you don't you don't know uh it's it's dis well if t

hey did so okay what you can do now is  read between the lines and if she is saying that other people in the same group assaulted raped  people then I do kind of expect you to come out with those stories look the [ __ ] I know about  YouTubers behind the closed doors none of it's about rape so I don't give a [ __ ] okay some of  it's about consent violations for sure but the people who are violated don't want to talk about  it that's their business maybe one day I'll regret not saying something

out loud for sure uh but also  if you engage with those people and you're not surprised they don't [ __ ] you over I mean you're  just [ __ ] dumb as well and a part of me is like you got to learn that lesson cuz the people you  know what I mean like who [ __ ] cares but also maybe I'll regret it maybe one day I'll be like  [ __ ] I should have said something but also I'm not your [ __ ] mom get people STI tested listen  to me don't sleep with people who aren't tested recently and with you don't

sleep with people you  don't know I'm birth control don't think you can fix people that are [ __ ] up and you'll be fine  if you get them tested you make sure you're in birth control and you don't think you can fix them  you'll be fine but if if you don't do those things I warned you that's my warning just do those  things and you'll be fine okay and maybe I'll regret it but come on I just I just I kind of just  said it just okay just anyways if Katie knows if these women know and it's true tha

t people are  reaping people I think you should probably say something but also I know a lot of people don't  want to be your hero they don't want to have to do it I know so many women who it was rape for  sure and yeah it's too much [ __ ] spoons and work to come out I know men who have absolutely  been assaulted and it's too much [ __ ] work to press charges they don't want to start a campaign  they don't want people to misbelieve them and the question is what should people do they should do 

their best yeah maybe they should come out with the stories maybe they shouldn't tell anyone maybe  maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe it's really exhausting to try to figure out when do you tell  people things it's really exhausting and I think pretending like we know the answer is so [ __ ]  narcissistic we don't know the answer we don't know what every single person in every situation  should do all we know is we should do our best and your best isn't always good enough but it's  good enough

disgusting to get these people you know and again I do say acknowledge the people  uh coming out of about this uh speaking against it and I am grateful for all the people that  have um a lot you said it's almost like she has a savior complex I also went to therapy for this  I think it's a product of being on the internet and being raised in a certain way like no joke my  therapist was like do you think you're Spider-Man or Superman Superman she's like do you think  you're Superman I was like No

And she goes why do you think you have to save the world I was like  I don't know people could like I keep thinking I'm a bad person if I don't I was raised with the 60s  as the example like what would you do if Martin Luther King Jr was marching would you want to do  it you know what I mean oh my gosh what would you do if like black people were being discriminated  against in front of you what would you do if like the Jews were hiding from the Nazis like you  grew up your whole life thinking l

ike what would you do but the truth is you'd probably do  what everyone else did in history nothing it's a big responsibility to try to do something and I  don't think we've evolved as animals to always do something I think we've evolved as animals  to survive and usually not doing anything is better for survival but I do think the internet  encourages you to be a savior I do think there's a lot of pressure to do the right thing I  think people want you to be perfect because we live in such an i

mperfect World um but I think  ultimately like life is hard enough you know what I mean things are hard enough and I think you  have to pick and choose your battles wisely you know what I mean and I don't think we know  how to do that and so Katie I would say isn't picking and choosing her battles wisely but to  be fair you have to learn the hard way you have to earn wisdom suffering wisely takes wisdom  I will die unwise I know some of you are very sweet and you're like Britney you're so smart 

but I am not wise I have moments of wisdom but all overall like I'm no Uncle iro you feel me  Uncle iro is in the chat guys uncle io's in the chat like I'm not Uncle iro and maybe I'll die not  being that wise but life will continue to teach me lessons as it will continue to teach Katie and  all of us lessons a lot of them are my friends and a lot of them you know are creators that  I look up to that have reached out to me uh making sure I'm okay um but also I will make  aware that this also do

es open you know the platform and open the ability for people to  you know that aren't good to speak on it and be like yeah I support you just you know so it  it is hard to fully trust everyone but anyway um I brought it up I brought all this up I it  became into this thing of picking sides and dramatizing it making it into drama instead of  focusing on the bigger issue instead of focusing on the things that happen in the content  world instead of focusing on the issues of blind idolization you

know um but people only  cared about finding something else to argue about instead of just focusing on the main idea  that's true um and the biggest thing that I want to mention and one of the last things is people  saying why did you come publicly about this why didn't you keep it private Ali says so as a  consumer on the internet how do we navigate past accusations about content creators who we  like should we be shaming others for enjoying content I think you should focus on yourself  I think

you should focus on yourself and live by example and I think it's okay to want to warn  people I've done that in the past it just doesn't work like it doesn't matter people are going to  make their own decisions I believe people can recover and change um like I really like Mike  Tyson but he's a convicted rapist and that's very complicated right I do like a lot of people  but they do not have clean pasts you know what I mean you have to decide how you feel about it no  one will ever ruin y's ol

d music for me I don't listen to now yay I stopped listening to yay  before usus but like old yay nobody will ruin that for me not even yay it's up to you how  you want to have a relationship with content there are YouTubers that put a sour taste in my  mouth and I can't watch anymore I'm not going to shame people for enjoying their content  but I might pay attention to how much they love them to be fair when people tell me they  love tker Carl and I also give them the side eye people give me th

e side  eye because I like you know PewDiePie it is what it is you have  to decide how you feel about it you know but people are people don't put people on  a pedestal Bros yes nobody date Mike Tyson or sneo but yeah sometimes people give me a bad taste  and I never watch them again but you know if you want to give a side eye to somebody who's like  I really love this person I think like very very like uh well of somebody it's like maybe you  can just keep that you know just keep note of that yo

u know what I've noticed in my sphere and  I told my I made a video about this is like uh I do pay attention to who people talk to in collab  I've blocked a lot of YouTubers in my life I'm not talking to you if you're super super toxic  like there's a level of toxicity I will not talk to somebody but there's also a level of toxicity  I might you know there's still a level of toxic toxicity I might you know what I mean but not not  you got to pick and choose your battles guys pick and choose your

battles why did you because I saw  what Shelby did for me I saw the effect Shelby had on me seeing another content creator someone I  looked up to speaking out about something that Happ realizing that someone I looked up to went  through the same thing as me you don't o but she didn't go through the same thing as you [ __ ]  oo she didn't go through the same thing as you that's the problem see Katie no Shelby reminds  me of like past relationships I've had I've dated really toxic people and I w

as toxic enough to  date them so that's my fault but not my fault cuz I don't believe in fault that's just where I  was in life it was what it was okay I dumped those people never talk to them again best decision I  ever made but I had to become a healthier person to not want to date them or not believe in them  or not change so Shelby is not the same situation Shelby had a relationship with Wilbur that was  constantly toxic and annoying and frustrating and yes though I want to hold Shelby accou

ntable  to some extent cuz she's nearing 30 well she's 19 some people were critical of me and they're like  why are you harsher on Shelby than on Katie cuz Shelby's 30 and Katie's 19 hello hello so yeah I  feel bad for Shelby and she's right she was in a toxic relationship and I'm not mad she spoke out  against Wilbur she can make her decisions about that as long as she never lied and as long as she  was being honest does Wilbur need to go to prison no he needs to go to therapy as far as I know

of  what Wilbur did to her they were all things that needed therapy definitely abusive definitely  toxic but go to therapy he doesn't need to be arrested he didn't do anything that needs to  be arrested he did things that need to go to to therapy okay so Discord said D ktie actually  mentioned therapy once in her videos it seems like something worthwhile she could have brought  up she hasn't mentioned therapy once from what I remember does anybody does anybody remember she  has not mentioned the

rapy once which is driving me crazy by the way do none of these people know  about therapy it's very annoying that no one's talking about it because it's a great tool okay  um so I will say I don't think what happened to Shelby and her are the same situation and again  going back to categorization see how we're all talking about shades of toxicity which are shades  of blue but what happened to Katie is like a light blue what happened to Shelby is a dark blue and  the fact that she thinks they're

both dark blue is crazy like that is a miscategorization of  the situation Katie is Mis categorizing Mis categorizing her own situation her situation is  nothing like Shel situation completely [ __ ] different night and day I mean it's this you know  what I mean it's all blue but it's totally [ __ ] different and the fact that she doesn't know it's  totally [ __ ] different it's like oh paqua oh o Mia says but do you think she actually believes  that I don't know I don't know understand what th

at does you you don't you don't understand how  that feels I wanted to be that for other people me staying silent about my situation who is the who  is that helping I understand oh it's just bringing up because if you view it as drama it is like oh  why are you bringing this drama forward ye says I feel like she didn't mean it like that do you  think she just meant in general like with bigger male content creators I don't know how she meant  it but it isn't it's sexual assault it is me and my vi

ewers know uh one of the biggest um super  when she says same thing I went through I wonder if she means bodily autonomy being violated  maybe things I've focused on in my content is being open for the purpose of connecting because  realizing someone that you watch goes through the same things that you do it is it is so healing  and it is so eye opening and again son said this is why abused victims are hating on her yeah  but don't you think that's [ __ ] up don't you think it's kind of [ __ ] u

p to to because she's  definitely probably an abuse victim guys don't you think it's super [ __ ] up to like punch down on  her when she's 19 and probably has gone through something that she's not talking about or maybe  she's cuz even to do this I I think you do have to have problems so I just feel like punching  like being mad at her for not representing your story correctly is kind of insane too I think  assault victims that are genuinely mad at Katie for misrepresenting them that's kind of c

razy I  feel like you're still in your trauma I feel like you're being kind of crazy I do you can be mad at  me if you want but I'm telling you you're crazy it isn't C is crazy to project your trauma onto Katie  what does her story have to do anything with you she doesn't know you it's not about you it's kind  of narcissistic to make it about you to be honest so I think it's inappropriate I think you're being  super inappropriate again I will always if I could do this all over I would do it all

again because  the amount of uh viewers of mine and the viewers that aren't of mine that have reached reached out  to me saying they understand and that they feel safe now uh to accept what's happened to them not  even safe to come out about their stories because you don't you don't have to come out about your  story you don't have to yell it off the rooftops to heal from it you know um but again it it is  a big help it creates this open she said she represents abuse victims she probably does ju

st  not your kind again she does represent probably some form of abuse victim maybe the like Blue  version but you're a dark blue like if you're dark blue she's not talking about you she's not  talking about me my my life has no overlap with Katie's so she's not talking about me see when  YouTubers talk and they're like you know Middle Eastern women with big noses and curly hair  I hate them they don't know me they're not talking about me they just describe me but they  ain't talking about me yo

u know what I'm saying why would I assume this has anything to do with  me why are you assuming it has anything to do with you because that's your trauma talking I'm  telling you right now why would you think that has nothing to do with me when I hear that is not  about me they didn't talk about me the fact that you think they're talking about you interesting  open discussion of these these hard things to talk about that's that's that's why I came out  about my story not not to and again I know

it sounds hypocritical and that's I'm acknowledging  that and I did things I probably shouldn't have with with making it this drama kind of thing on  Twitter by replying and being you know um but yeah um again I came out my out with my story  it's fine if you don't believe me um and it's also really fine if you don't understand me you  don't understand why I did you don't understand why I couldn't have stood up in the moment and ran  out of the room it's fine if you don't understand because the

story isn't yo Athena says you give  me such a New Perspective to view things and it's so eye opening welcome to the bubble pop we  call that a bubble pop here girl when we have a different perception and we go oh wait I never  thought about it that way that's a bubble pop girl welcome for you it's for people who victims who  understand my thought process my my first stream wasn't this is the bad stuff when she when you  guys say like I'm mad at her because she says I I represent abuse victims d

oes she represent  abuse victims that were burned with cigarettes by their parents or is that maybe a different  category is that maybe a different category when someone says like oh I was abused by my parents  too oh my God me too how are you abused oh they used to cut off my toes oh they used to take away  my Nintendo and I couldn't play it for a while see how we're having different conversations it's  just different conversations oh I was abused by my parents they would beat me every time the

y caught  me looking at gay porn oh [ __ ] yeah my parents used to put cigarettes out on my eyes okay well  you know I don't want to play who's suffering more but you I just feel like we're all talking about  different things and we all keep thinking we're talking about the same thing oh my God you were  raped me too oh my god do you remember yours no not at all I was drugged out oh I remember every  detail of mine [ __ ] we did not have the same experience being raped isn't a monolith when we 

say I was raped I'm not telling you anything we're not we don't have the same stories just cuz we had  the same words that this person did go kill them it was me describing my experience uh with assault  that happened to me and then acknowledging it you know actually realizing [ __ ] this is something  that happened to me and I can't ignore it and and accepting it it was about my journey as a victim  um and I fully understand not many people to understand that kind of uh journey and even if you 

are a victim and don't understand me you know you don't you don't have to have the same situation to  still be a victim so I understand that as well um my story was meant for people who chose to believe  me not because you know of proof or because I have video of it or because of any of that but  because they've experienced it themselves and they ooh that is a red flag where's that t Tik Tok  red flag guy let's listen to that again and that as well um my story was meant for people who  chose to

believe me not because you know of proof or because I have video of it or because of any of  that but because they've experienced it themselves and they recognize it o they recognize what I've  went through and they recognize that I'm sincere about it I do recognize trauma and I do recognize  an impact and I absolutely do recognize something is going on I do think she's a victim of something  I do recognize trauma I'm not saying she's a liar I'm saying I'm seeing you know what I do see I  see D

istortion I do I know you guys really want me to end the video saying like Katie's a [ __ ]  and I [ __ ] hate her how what do you want me to hate a 19-year-old for who I obviously see as  mentally unwell I would love a professional to spend six months with her a year whatever once  a month figuring out what it is and what's going on cuz regardless of how you guys feel about  her no well adjusted healthy person does this even if she's lying guys even making false  accusations no healthy adjusted

person makes false accusations Amber herd is very disturbed no  healthy adjusted person just makes up claims about people okay so with peace and love she obviously  needs help okay so that is what I'm seeing I don't need the evidence is her so the evidence evidence  that I think she needs help is like her posting content right same with George the reason I'm  looking at him in dream and thinking God I'm so glad my friends aren't this young or silly  is also the same reason I'm like H my sibling

s are probably going to be as messy as them you know  sonar says evil people do evil people don't exist welcome to my audience welcome to my community  evil is a Mythos created by construct that is a word we put on people that we don't want to  acknowledge are human beings we call them monsters we call them evil they're animals on a planet I  don't know why you think we're here I don't know if you think God put you here or aliens or you  think we live in The Matrix I just think we're simply anim

als evolved over time we live in a  universe and we're biological creatures evil is furthest from Joy Joy is what I call Beyond  happiness beyond anything it's an understanding of who you are and what you're doing here not in  a magical way just like in a radical acceptance way right no woo woo no magic no God it's okay if  you believe in those things but it's a belief okay people aren't evil because you decide they're evil  evil is a construct that you use towards that word Hitler good example

the one everyone always uses  right trip says Hitler was gunning for evil Hitler thought he was doing good and it takes other  people to stop Hitler to give a different version of good evil is a construct further from furthest  from Joy so yes he was evil cuz he was furthest from Joy you guys are saying Jeffrey dmer wasn't  evil he's evil because he's furthest from Joy he's not evil because he was born evil he's not  evil because he's a villain he's not evil because you're afraid of him he's fur

thest from Joy right  so Hitler thought he was doing good for Germany just like you know know every other dictator ever  who ever existed literally thought and people have good stories about them I use Saddam as an example  because some people I know talk only good about Saddam because he saved like their mother some  people talk bad about Saddam because he killed their mother I personally think all violence is  moving furthest from Joy right so I think a joyful person probably isn't going to mu

rder the Jews a  joyful person probably isn't going to lie about a person a joyful person probably isn't going  to need to make false accusations but calling them evil is like calling a person a monster  as long as you're using it with introspection I'm okay with it but if you think oh that's a  monster that's not even a human that's an evil person you know D says so can people not be  good good is a it's a it's a construct so yes people can be good according according to you  people can be good

according to you so I think most people are good because they're doing the  best with what they can people sometimes move towards evil but are mostly somewhere in the  middle or maybe go back and forth between joy and evil but people are rarely evil and people  are rarely joyful you know so people are just people and then you have to decide where your  boundaries lie right so someone had to stop Hitler because it was the right thing to do but  did we even go into that war because it was the rig

ht thing to do or did we end up stopping Hitler  because he was [ __ ] with our [ __ ] if you're American and it's not like America doesn't do evil  because they move furthest from Joy because humans in as a general species we do a lot of things  that are furthest from Joy you know so again people are doing what they think is best and it's  pretty interesting what people justify but then people tell me I'm crazy or call me approved or  say I'm insane for wanting to do things that like I don't wa

nt to lie if I don't have to outside  of survival situations I don't lie people are like that's crazy you should lie lying is good  why they're like everyone lies well everyone lies but not everyone lies I never lie about other  people that's a big rule of mine but other people are more than happy to lie about other people  and and I think that's interesting I think it's interesting the way they justify lying about other  people see I don't believe an eye for an eye I don't think because you hur

t me I get to hurt you  now I personally don't believe that I believe I'm allowed to defend myself though I don't think I'm  allowed to hurt people because they've hurt other people you know if genocide is what you think are  best then are you evil though I do think genocide is in the E like closest to evil and furthest  from Joy I I do think that's true yeah yeah all right let's get back to it um I feel like the  whole situation the way it played out has been uh very unfair but what's most unfa

ir is what he  did to me in the first place uh so um there's that I'm I'm tired of the constant fight of trying to  validate what I went through to validate and prove that I was uncomfortable um I'm tired with it all  honestly but again I would still do actually good point Discord said I'm still confused how these  geny kids haven't brought up the option of therapy I bet they're in the bubble that therapy isn't  a thing right guys what if they're in the bubble see we have this stereotype all jze

r talk about  is therapy therapy therapy she hasn't mentioned therapy once what if she's the bubble of of geners  that don't go to therapy see how we make this assumption that because they're gen Z they'd go  to therapy cuz I thought that too I thought how are they gen Z and aren't talking about therapy  they're not in the therapy bubble that's got to be it do it all over again because um I don't want  people to view that as me like bowing out and you know because I bit more than I can chew I'm

still  here but um I I'm just not going to apologize what I've went through um I know there may be more  after this uh more you know people trying to get the final word or like people you know responding  to what I've said uh but this is my final ah so people in chat are saying this is the bubble that  they feel like once they're validated why go to therapy or Tik Tok therapy or therapy was canceled  back in 2017 what when jenz is all about mental health not therapy ah interesting I think is it 

Millennials who are really into therapy but Wilbur mentioned therapy Wilbur did mention therapy  funny enough H yeah Wilber did mention therapy that's a good point Discord Discord said Theory  she's looking for the victim role not a solution that's why she's in looking for therapy or taking  different perspectives probably true yeah yeah she's definitely look looking for a victim role  I think she thinks it's the best place to be right now um well that's what I'm saying though  you can't just g

o to therapy guys you have to be ready to change so until she's ready to change  or heal or get better of course like she wouldn't go to therapy right Discord said therapy would  destroy her current self for sure introspection would destroy this version of herself I think she  needs to do this for a while before she realizes like oh [ __ ] I got to do something about  this but lots of people are fine living in their misery they do it all the time half of  you in this chat are probably doing it r

ight now as somebody who lived pretty miserable for  quite a few years it's kind hard to get out of it because at least you know what it is you know  thought on it all um if there's anything said after this where there's responses or anything I  won't be there to see it um I I just I I won't um as for you know the future and stuff I'm in a  really weird place um you know content when I was going through stuff in my real life I would  use content as kind of an escape you know it was a place to fe

el safe and even see true that's kind  of what content was for me back in the day though I always thought of it as a job only recently I'm  like nope this is my job this is not a place for me to escape this is my job this was like four  years ago I decided like okay content's going to be my job she's got it that's a problem red  flag are you a content creator or is is being online like your therapy without being therapy  see I only want to collab with people I'm trying to like really hard only c

ollab with people that  are taking their content creation really seriously cuz I want to work I came here to work and I think  that's really hard to find because a lot of people do end up online because they're bored and they  want friends like sometimes people try to friend me on Discord guys if you try to friend me on  Discord I'm going to say no to you if you're a content creator you better be reaching out for  a collab and even then I might not say yes but sometimes people be like I just wan

t to be on  your friends list to be on your friends list it's like no why just like I'm here to work you  know I want to work and that's it okay I want to work but that's the problem it's like people come  to they become streamers they do social stuff to spend time with friends which is cute and fun but  uh you got to pay attention to what that means you know what I mean so is it bad to use content  as an escape I don't think it's bad to enjoy time shutting off your brain I shut off my brain  I

watch Tik toks I do it every night I watch anime I shut off my brain all the time I don't think  it's bad what's bad is like if it becomes your whole life if you're not facing yourself if you're  using it as an escape like alcohol you know what I mean which is different than just enjoying a drink  but escaping denying yourself responsibility you know not having a good relationship not moving  towards your joy if if consent creation is making you miserable if what you're doing is miserable  move

towards your joy switch positions you know if every every choice you keep making is making  you miserable pick different ones and if my life was [ __ ] off the screen I could come on here and  and be with you guys uh but now obviously I'm just in a very weird place um so I'm not promising  anything not promising that I'm going to come back not promising that I'm leaving forever  uh it's just a thing about time and taking time yeah yeah yeah um and I hope you guys can  understand that it does suc

k I there are things that I've been working on for like a year that I  don't want to just scrap but also it's just and I think a lot of people need time right now um not  even just me or him or like anyone I think it's just yeah um I again can't promise anything for  the future but I'll promise that you know I'll do I'll do whatever I love moving forward um and I  hope I wish you guys the best I I don't want to you know you guys to view this as me abandoning  abandoning you or whatever but I jus

t don't to Pro yeah I don't have that relationship with my  audience guys if I have to leave for my mental health peace out I know you respect me enough  to let me do this and if you made me feel like I was abandoning you shame on you this is a Young  Person's mentality I used to have this when I was a young like content creator you do not always  your audience your mental health you do not owe them if they feel like they're you're abandoning  them okay someone had the audacity to write cat blac

k the rudest message and it was like cat  um I know you're going through mental health stuff right now but you need to post more this is  your job take it seriously um first of all cat can post as much as she wants if you don't like the  amount of content she's creating don't support her also whether it's for mental health or the  fact that she just wants to post twice a month is up to her but this idea that your audience is  like um you need to post more um you need to Odell yourself okay you n

eed to leave people alone  I produce a lot of content because I'm vibing this is my life I love it but if the content  creator you know only posts once a year or once a month that's their business you don't  have to support them if you took money like if they took money from you and promised you content  they didn't deliver that's different that's not what's happening promise anything um I will never  forget how how kind um a lot of you have been um and and the way that my community has treated 

me um since I was 16 truly I'm really lucky I I really really am um a lot of people tell me I'm  you know brave for com what content creators feel indebt to Their audience because they give them  money I don't feel that way about anybody body who gives me money [ __ ] you're giving me money  cuz I'm working I'm I'm providing um we're having an exchange some people feel that way about  their jobs I guess but like I don't get paid unless I show up to work so I don't know about you  sometimes you

know what I mean like I'm working I don't feel bad I feel grateful which is different  I feel grateful I'm able to work and make money I don't feel bad that's that's some trauma right  there girl that's you convincing yourself that unless you don't think of it as a a job see if  you're doing YouTube as a hobby I don't think you should collect money I'm going to be real  I think if you're not taking your job seriously on YouTube I think it's weird to make money doing  it but like you do you I don

't care I'm not going to moralize it but like if you're running a job  and you're making content then I feel like it's kind of weird to feel bad earning money for  work you've been putting stuff into you know Raiders says I give money for Indiana cat food  true don't worry Raiders we get Indiana snacks in your honor Indiana's my cat coming out of about  all this I feel the exact opposite I'm only strong because of you guys and the people supporting me  behind the scenes um I guess that's it I ca

n sit here and ask for this not to be clipped out of  context and ask for people to just refer people here but I know that that's not going to happen  I have no control over it so I've said all I can um and again thank you all uh that's all I  guess uh goodbye stay safe please heal and yeah okay okay okay okay well we did it thank  you guys for being here like the stream before you leave but okay what do you guys think  what are what are ending thoughts what's the wisdom we have to offer this si

tuation  I stand by what I said I don't think she's lying but I do think she's misunderstanding I  don't think George is lying but I do think he misunderstood I I'm I'm old I'm almost  35 and I know that's young but I'm old enough to know I'm old enough to have seen  this happen so many times to people around me it's messy when you're dealing with other  people whether they're smart or introspective or thoughtful genuinely the amount of brain  dead conversations I've had myself or other people h

ave had with me and we all think  we're so smart and I'm like why are we even having this conversation cuz we're brain  dead humans okay and I think what's important is that we recognize like we're not perfect and  things will go wrong and miscommunication will happen and I think that that's the part of this  that I don't think people are ready to see but I'm like I said I'm old I've seen it in enough  I've seen it happen time and time and time again and I'm just so ready for people to choose to

do  something else but it's not going to happen so if anyone sees this and wants to reach out to me I'm  pretty good at like I'm pretty good at giving uh advice in private but also go to therapy I can  help with philosophy stuff but therapy is the thing therapy is going to help with that mental  Distortion stuff and philosophy is going to help you with your values why do I do what I do who  do I think I am what are my morals when I'm in a position where I have to sell my soul for money  and clo

ut my morals will tell me not to my morals will help me get off the couch and walk out my  morals will tell me I'm not going to do this but if you don't have morals or your morals say  you allowed to sell your soul for clout that's between you and your God sis that has nothing to  do with me that is between you and your God you know do you charge I do charge one-on-one calls  um they are not they are just simply talking to me so if you want to talk to me one-onone or you  can join the Discord yo

u have to be 18 plus and the Discord I do events there I do discussion  events on philosophy and stuff it's $10 a month uh it's a good space we do professionally taught  yoga especially if you're chronically ill I have fibromyalgia so we do yoga for the chronically The  Chronic girlies and boys um we talk philosophy do movie events if you sign up on the first of every  month you get all the events for the the month we reset all the events every 30 days if you sign  up now you'll pay $10 now and

then on the first again so it's up to you how you want to do it um  oneon-one time that's more expensive but patreon lets you into the Discord so if you guys want to  join it's linked on the top of this chat 18 plus though okay please respect that we create a really  safe space for adults to talk about philosophy um I don't want to deal with any kids sorry guys now  am I going to talk about the George uh video that you guys sent me no I don't think it's necessary  I did watch it and listen to it

and I think it was good uh but I I don't think it adds much to  the conversation genuinely like dream dream did I say George I'm sorry Dreams video dream was  just lost and confused and felt like the night went really well and was so confused anything  sexual even happened so as far as GE as far as dream was concerned um he was just confused  about everything tried to reach out to people people were weird about things and so I I don't  think there's any reason for me to talk about it except to

say that it did add context for me as a  Creator and I felt like it made sense it followed through sounds like a bunch of young people  really confused about situations you know so join the Discord for philosophy content I'm not  a therapist we do not do therapy stuff uh like the stream I'll be back again tomorrow I stream 5  days a week during the weekdays usually around 2: p.m. Eastern but we're in daylight savings time so  3:00 p.m. for the month of March yippi says Briny your community and y

our bubble is a safe space  I'm so happy I found you all it's definitely a safe space for whatever category of people we are  I don't know if it's a safe space for everybody but definitely for um yeah you guys have been  a Vibe I want to say for the like the fact that there was a thousand people here the chat stayed  pretty civil and pretty great and I appreciate that so much with good energy and I think that's  a good reflection of I'm assuming you guys are coming mostly from dream or George's

Community  I think that's a good reflection of their [Music] Community I'm okay I'm just fine  yet all I do is not you in my mind cuz I know don't sense been so why is my a  mess please tell me cuz I'm sick of thinking yeah I'm take a now for the  truth and living life is a [Music] fo