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#representationmatters #scifi #fantasy #disability
Given that most popular science fiction and
fantasy stories are set in worlds where, thanks to the existence of advanced technology
or magic, problems which we find challenging or even insurmountable in the real world can
be easily overcome, does it make sense for characters to have visible disabilities at all?
Do disabled people even belong in sci-fi/fantasy? . . . Yes! What the hell kind of question is
that?! Should there be disabled characters in sci-fi/fantasy? Yes! Easy! I’ve got a far
more vexing question to ask in response: what the hell is wrong with people? Here’s what got me on this subject —
or back on this subject, I should say, since I already addressed it awhile
back when I did a video in my Trek, Actually series about disability representation
in Star Trek, and what I said there applies more broadly, beyond Star Trek, as well. The
other day I saw some folks reposting and responding to this tweet. Please bare
with me as I read the entire thing: “It literally ma
kes no sense to have disabled
people in a fantasy setting. One: Why can’t the disabled person cast a spell on their broken legs
that fixes them instantly so they can walk again? Two: If the mage’s lower body is paralyzed rather
than physically broken then why can’t they remove the paralysis using magic? Three: Why can’t the
mage cast a spell on themselves which allows them to float or to fly so that they don’t have
to worry about walking? Four: Why is there a normal looking wheelchair in a
medieval-esque
high fantasy setting? Shouldn’t the chair be made out of crude dwarven technology or be replaced
with an animal with a saddle attached to it? “Once you have magic in a setting, it makes
no sense to have disabilities. The only way you could make this work is if you make the magic
extremely rare and difficult to obtain or make it so that magic is so dangerous and unreliable
that it rarely gets used. In other words you would have to heavily tone down the ‘fantasy’ in
high fanta
sy which kind of defeats the purpose. A ‘low magic’ fantasy setting can work but it
requires good writing to make it interesting.” First off, good to know that there
are apparently subgenres of fiction that don’t require good writing to make
them interesting. I bet that saves time. So, I shared a screengrab of this tweet — because
to hell with retweeting this ableist clown — where I pretty much torched this person, pointing
out that disabled people can exist in fantasy or sci-fi settings be
cause they, ya know, exist
in reality, and good stories aren’t just about what they’re literally about, they’re also about
real people and real stuff. Metaphor, allegory, symbolism — these are not exactly
rarely utilized devices in fiction, particularly fantasy or science fiction. If the
world of a fantasy story represents our world, and our world includes people with
disabilities, why shouldn’t the world of the fantasy story include them, also?
This really isn’t that fucking hard, is it?
But, I got a reply to my series of tweets. And this reply informed me that I
had it all wrong. The reply says: “Steve you’re wrong on this. No one wants
to be disabled, but in a fantasy or sci-fi setting with either magic or space tech,
we'd eliminate these kinds of problems. It takes a greater imagination to justify disabled
people, rather than just include disabled people.” Let me take this a piece at a
time. “Steve you’re wrong on this.” Always a possibility — generally
speaking — I’m r
ight as fuck about this, but I’ve been wrong about lots of other stuff,
so an understandable mistake on your part. “No one wants to be disabled” — I find this
to be a presumptuous statement. I can say, as a typically abled person, that I
would not want to be disabled. Perhaps, if you are also an abled person, you can make
a similar declaration for yourself. Perhaps, if you are a disabled person, you can
say “I don’t want to be disabled” or “I wish I was not disabled” — that’s
a perfectly r
easonable thing for you to say about yourself and no one would ever
have the right to argue with you about that. But, is it so unfathomable that there are people
with disabilities in this world who, despite their disabilities and despite the additional challenges
created by those disabilities, are fine with who they are and would not choose to be different even
if they could? I have no idea how many disabled people emphatically don’t want to be disabled —
I would guess it’s probably a high
percentage of the group, but I don’t know if that’s true, if it
is, how high. Most? Maybe. Almost all? Maybe. But one hundred percent? No one wants to be disabled?
No one? That’s an awfully sweeping statement. Also, it’s fucking irrelevant to the conversation
we’re having, as I will explain in a moment, possibly sounding as though I’m talking to a
child because that seems to be the level we’re at. “But in a fantasy or sci-fi setting
with either magic or space tech, we'd eliminate these kind
s of problems.” Says
who? Do you speak for all sci-fi/fantasy authors, everywhere? Are those who have included disabled
characters in their stories simply doing it wrong? Let’s say you create a fantasy setting
for your story where, thanks to technology or magic or whatever, disabilities have been
completely eliminated. Okay. You’re the writer, you tell the story how you want to tell it.
But, let’s say I create a fantasy setting for a story I’m writing, and in my story some
people still hav
e disabilities. What now? What are you gonna do? “We’d eliminate those
kinds of problems” — unless the author who's making up that story says different.
Again — this really isn’t complicated. Last piece: “It takes a greater imagination to
justify disabled people, rather than just include disabled people.” Perhaps. And you know what?
If someone is writing a sci-fi or fantasy story, and as a part of that story they invent an
in-universe explanation for why there are still disabled people desp
ite the existence of
advanced technology or magic or whatever — if a writer does that, more power to them.
I have no objection to that in principle. But if a writer is telling a sci-fi/fantasy story,
and that writer wants to include characters with disabilities, and that writer doesn’t feel like
explaining why disabled people still exist in this fantasy world — maybe because the story they’re
telling doesn’t actually have anything to do with that and inserting exposition solely to justify
the presence of disabled people would be a waste of time and, ya know, bad storytelling — guess
what? They don’t have to explain a goddamn thing. Explaining every tiny little detail about why
things are the way they are in the fictional world is not storytelling. That is pedantry — and I know
pedantry is the official sport of online fandom, but that only makes me more determined to take
a fucking bat to it whenever I encounter it. Disabled characters can exist in sci-fi/fantasy
stories for
no other reason than the creators of those stories want them to be there. The
existence of disabled people in fiction doesn’t need to be justified, because the
existence of disabled people in the real world doesn’t need to be justified. Disabled
people have a right to be here. Period. And, no, it doesn’t have anything to do with
whether or not disabled people as a group, or any particular disabled person, wants to
be disabled. Representation can be a form of wish fulfillment, but it doesn’t
have
to be. Some disabled people, I assume, enjoy sci-fi/fantasy stories as a form of
escapism, where they can imagine themselves living in a world where their disability would
have been prevented or healed or accommodated in some way that’s impossible in reality.
But, some disabled people, again I assume, enjoy sci-fi/fantasy stories that include disabled
characters, because they like the reminder that having a disability doesn’t mean you can’t have
an exciting, adventure-filled life. An
d — I’m about to blow your mind, grab onto something — I
also assume that there are some disabled people, perhaps even a great many, who enjoy both of those
things, at different times, in different stories. Oh, but I can hear the swelling cry even now —
“Internal consistency, Steve! What about internal consistency? How will we ever maintain immersion
in the story without internal consistency?!” Someone a bit further down in the
replies to my tweets about this came up with the perfect comeba
ck to
that whiny-ass bit of fan entitlement: When you see someone using a manual wheelchair,
knowing that mechanical wheelchairs exist, do you demand an explanation? Does that break
your immersion — with fucking reality? Or do you just assume there must be a reason
and get on with your life? Or better yet, does it not even occur to you in the first
place because who the fuck even cares? I’ve got another rebuttal by way of example to
the “but mah internal consistency” objection: You remembe
r how, when Arnold Schwarzeneggar first
started making movies where he played American characters the writers always felt the need to
throw in a little explanation for why he had a heavy Austrian accent? They’d throw in a line
about how Arnold’s character was an immigrant or something. But, eventually the writers and
directors of Schwarzeneggar movies stopped doing that. Why? Because they realized that it didn’t
matter. If the origin of Arnold’s accent wasn’t part of the story being told —
and it almost never
was — then explaining it was a waste of time. Why does an American cop or a killer robot
from the future speak with that accent? It doesn’t matter — and if you’re hung up on that,
you’re paying attention to the wrong thing. When you watch Star Trek: The Next Generation,
does it destroy your immersion whenever the supposedly French Captain Jean-Luc Picard speaks
in the very British accent of Patrick Stewart? Or, no — I bet you have a head canon to explain
away that world
-breaking inconsistency, don’t you? I want to drown you in a toilet. By the same token — as the Schwarzeneggar bit,
not the toilet-drowning bit — which was hyperbole, I don’t literally want to drown you in
a toilet, I don’t even know you — I’m only speaking in second person as a rhetorical
device anyway, so you don’t even exist — but, if you’re watching a sci-fi/fantasy movie or TV
show where there just happens to be a character with a disability, and there’s no explanation for
it because t
he story isn’t about their disability or why they have it, and you’re stuck on
that because the story takes place in a high tech or magical setting, that’s on you.
You are paying attention to the wrong thing. Let me also pause a moment before I wrap this
up to note that “disabled people don’t belong in sci-fi/fantasy” is fundamentally no
different than saying “Black people don’t belong in sci-fi/fantasy.” I’ve been a Star Trek
fan pretty much my entire life. I was fourteen when Star Trek: V
oyager premiered. I remember how
some Trekkies reacted to the presence of Tuvok, a Black Vulcan, in the cast of that show.
I was online by then, and there was enough quote-unquote “controversy” within certain corners
of the fanbase regarding whether or not Black Vulcans “made sense” that Kate Orman — herself a
published sci-fi author — felt the need to publish a “Black Vulcan FAQ” to the rec.arts.startrek
Usenet newsgroup. It’s still accessible in Google’s Groups archive, you should check i
t out
— there’s a link to it in the video description. Anyway, because I remembered that “should there be
Black Vulcans?” bullshit, when I saw the “should there be someone using a wheelchair?” bullshit in
response to a background character in Star Trek: Discovery a few years ago, I recognized
it for what it was right away, just as I recognize this “do disabled people belong in
sci-fi/fantasy settings” bullshit for what it is. You can try to disguise it in a concern
for internal consistency
or verisimilitude, you can say you’re just asking for writers to
be more imaginative and provide explanations for why disabilities still exist in their
magical, fantastical, futuristic worlds, but you can’t hide the truth of what you’re
doing: treating people with disabilities like trespassers in your fantasy — or people of
color, or queer people, or any other group of people you’re not comfortable with. Because
in your fantasy world, those people don’t exist. We know what’s going on. If t
he mere existence of disabled people in
such a setting reads as a plot hole to you, if it breaks your immersion, that’s not bad
writing — that’s your pedantic bullshit. Writers are under no obligation to cater to
your pedantic bullshit — and if you ask me, they do it too much already, which is
a favor to you, if you think about it, so maybe you should pay it forward and do
the rest of us a favor, stop complaining, and from now on keep your pedantic bullshit,
and your bigotry, and your piss
y entitlement, and your fragile, feeble, one-dimensional
reading comprehension the fuck to yourself.
Comments
'Crude Dwarven technology' Call a dwarfwork wheelchair crude to his face and you'll be counting your kidneys on your now-missing hand.
It's still wild to me that for a lot of people, a giant fire-breathing dragon is more believable than a disabled person in combat
Imagine thinking "If we lived in a world where we had the technology to 'fix' disabilities, we would." as if we don't actively let people die from preventable illness~
A while ago my nephew and his friends were playing "superheroes" and dividing roles. My nephew is half blind. As someone who's half blind, he wasn't allowed to pick a superhero because blind people can't be superheroes. So I bought him a few Daredevils. To hell with people who think disabilities should exclude people from any type of media.
The question we should be asking ourselves is, do white Vulcans make sense? It's a freakin' desert planet.
CAPTAIN PIKE IN A FUCKING BEEP CHAIR Their argument is invalid!!!!!! ETA: Oh yeah. VISORS! FUCKING VISORS!!!!!!
The character Toph in Avatar: the Last Airbender did not need sight to become one of the most powerful Earthbenders in that universe…
As a disabled person I was really worried for like 30 seconds, I think that disability should exist in fantasy and science fiction and could easily be used to heighten a story or alternatively, if you don’t want to use a disability directly you could use an allegorical representation great video as always, Steve
Joker was one of the best Mass Effect characters.
This feels like it's the same line of thinking that brought us bangers like "why are there women in my WWII game" and "why isn't everyone in my European-esque fantasy setting white?"
Charles Xavier is one of the most awesome characters.
I was gonna write my own long comment (I'm disabled and a fantasy author) but you nailed it Steve. That commenter was at best ignorant and at worst actively trying to erase me. Thanks for sticking up for me, and I know you're not just sticking up for me alone, but thank you.
I don't get how people can use the phrase "in a world with magical healing powers, it's unrealistic to have disabled people" and not feel like a colossal twat.
Wait, youre telling me a world where some people can blow off your limbs by snapping their fingers could have people missing some limbs? Inconceivable!
We are literally living in a time with space-age tech, and we still have people with disabilities. We have robots that assist with orthopedic surgery, durable medical equipment developed thanks to the space race, and an ICU isn't an ICU without patient telemetry. This would all be incredible to, say, a Victorian doctor. But people still get sick or injured.
There’s a book called “Six Wakes” by Mur Lafferty. It’s a murder mystery on a spaceship where the twist is that the victims are investigating their own murders because this is a setting where some people choose to use cloning to live forever. Anyway, one of the characters has a disability. She was born without legs, so she uses prosthetic robot legs. In the past, she had “corrected” her disability but she found that it felt unnatural to her, so afterwards she went back to using prostheses. At one point in the story, her legs are damaged so she has to fall back on using a wheelchair. Another example from Becky Chambers’ “The Long Way to a Small, Angry Planet” - one character has dwarfism. When he was born, his mother was living with a “back to basics” type survivalist group that would’ve left a disabled child to die. She left the group to protect her child & he grows up to become the engineer on the crew of the ship that is the setting of the novel. Including disabled characters in stories isn’t a chore, it’s part of writing relatable, interesting characters & engaging stories.
I think able-bodied people are ashamed, somewhat scared, of people with disabilities. Disabilities have been shown in various sci-fi and fantasy throughout the years. In Star Trek, Geordi is blind. In the TNG episode The Enemy, the Romulan Centurian Bochra mentions that if Geordi were born in the Empire, he wouldve been aborted or terminated. In Game of Thrones, Tyrion Lannister is a dwarf which is considered a disability per SSA. In Alien Resurrection, Vriess was a paraplegic due to shrapnel and had a badass chair. In X-Men, Professor Xavier is a paraplegic. Same as Dr Niles Caulder in DC Comics Doom Patrol. In Highlander the TV Series, Joe Dawson is a double amputee. Then there are all the disabilities in Star Wars. Luke lost a hand, Anakin lost part of an arm and the as Vader became a quadruple amputee. Thats just off the top of my head before the 6 minute mark of the video lol. And no, magic isn't shown to have healing properties in fantasy. Those who can heal are typically clerics and even they can't heal every injury or ailment. My older brother has severe Myelomeningocele Spina Bifida. He has acted like a cantankerous old fart since he became a teen. The oldest young person you have ever met. I am a tall, well built guy who suffered a serious spinal cord injury a few years ago. I have limited mobility on my left side. I use a cane or wheelchair to get around these days. There are some days where I don't need either, but it's very rare. There is a HUGE difference in the way I was treated before and after my accident. Science as we know it currently can't eliminate most forms of severe birth defects. Because of the complexities of the human genome, sometimes we arent formed 100%. That ranges from mental health issues, growth issues, and mild to severe birth defects. I'll never understand people that don't like full representation in any and all media. Stop being afraid or ashamed and start being accepting. I love when Steve goes off like this. It's almost like a sermon, only not boring and causing me to fall asleep.
I'm incredibly confused as I think a majority of major SciFi fantasy stories have disabled characters. Geordi from Star Trek, Darth Vader from Star Wars is in a full body prosthetic, Dr. Strange and Tony Stark in Marvel Universe have compensation for their conditions but are not fully healed by technology or magic in universe, so many in comic books in DC and Marvel that I can't begin to list. Full Metal Alchemist has both Elric brothers for most of the story. Lord of Rings: Bilbo and Frodo both have PTSD by the end and this is written by a veteran. On the topic of disabled people that would not want to be "fixed", the deaf community has a very complicated history. They currently as individuals and some groups push back from the technology that people think would cure them because of how they are treated (historically institutionalized as developmentally impaired rather than raised or cared for) and the fact that their development of language and culture raises real questions of what treating all deaf people would mean ethically. The deaf community's response to cochlear implants also displays how an advanced society might find a treatment that those with the condition do not find comfortable, worth it, or functional. Thank you for covering this topic. The tweets discussed sound like people that don't know what disability is and don't talk to disabled people.
I can understand the intuitive assumption that "if we could heal people perfecly we should" but it's also important to remember not to remove the autonomy of people with disabilities. We should work to support everyone, in what ever capacity they personally want.
There are days when I like you Steve, and then there are days when I really like you. Today appears to be the latter.