Do UAP represent non-human intelligence? Is disclosure imminent? With 'UFO activist'… Steve Bassett

ستيف باسيت ناشط سياسي وباحث في الأجسام الطائرة المجهولة ومؤيد للإفصاح. في عام 1996 أصبح رسميًا أول شخص على الإطلاق يضغط على حكومة الولايات المتحدة لإصدار ملفات UFO الخاصة بهم ، وهو حاصل على شهادة في الفيزياء وعمل مرة واحدة في برنامج الدكتور جون ماك لأبحاث الخبرة الاستثنائية (PEER). وهو حاليًا مؤسس ومدير مجموعة أبحاث Paradigm وهو مدافع صريح عن الإفصاح. حتى نبدأ ، أخبرني بإيجاز عن حياتك قبل اهتمامك بالأجسام الطائرة ، وكيف طورت هذا الاهتمام ... لقد سُئلت عدة مرات ولكن هذا شيء قررت القيام به في عام

1995 كان عمري 49 عامًا أه أنا أعتقد أنني كنت أعاني من أزمة منتصف العمر حقًا وكما يفعل الرجال في كثير من الأحيان وكان بإمكاني فعل الكثير من الأشياء التي ذهبت وأعيش على الشاطئ ، ربما في مكان ما في جنوب المحيط الهادئ اشتريت سيارة حمراء قابلة للتحويل أيا كان ولكن لا ، فأنا ناشط في قلبي دائمًا كنت وأعتقد أنني اتخذت القرار بأنه إذا كنت ناشطًا ، فأنت بحاجة إلى القيام بأشياء ناشطة وليس مجرد الحلم بها ، وثانيًا من خلال عملية معقدة توصلت إلى استنتاج مفاده أن هذه المشكلة كانت شيئًا لا أريد الدخول فيه كهواي

ة ولكن كعمل حياتي بشكل أساسي ، نعم ، لقد قرأت عددًا من الكتب حول هذا الموضوع ، لقد كنت على دراية به منذ أن كنت مراهقًا - لقد درست الرياضيات العلمية كل ما قرأت الكثير من الخيال العلمي لذلك كان لدي الأساس آه ولكن مرة أخرى كنت أعيش الحياة هل تعرف الأشياء اليومية وأي شيء بدون هدف حقًا دون ذلك ، أعتقد أنه يمكنك أن تقول أه المسار التوجيهي أه قررت تغيير ذلك في عام 1995. وكانت نقطة التحول بالنسبة لي هي اختطاف جون ماكس للقاءات البشرية مع الفضائيين لأن الشخص الذي كان هو كان حاصلًا على جائزة بوليتزر طبيبًا

نفسيًا مدربًا في جامعة هارفارد ، رئيس علم النفس في مستشفى كامبريدج ، كان شخصًا متميزًا للغاية اتخذ قرارًا بالتحقيق في سهولة الاتصال والبدء في التعامل معهم في محاولة لمعرفة قصصهم وفهمها . ومحاولة الحصول على بعض الأوراق المنشورة علنًا بمعنى آخر تعامل معها بشكل مناسب وكان هذا في أوائل التسعينيات من القرن الماضي كتب كتاب أه لقاء إنساني مع الأجانب أه يعني اختطاف حساب بشري مع كائنات فضائية قاموا بعمل ندوة كبيرة في معهد ماساتشوستس للتكنولوجيا بالنسبة لي كان هذا مثل ختم شرعية على مستوى لا أعتقد أن القض

ية قد شاهدتها ولذا قلت هذا ما أريد أن أفعله ، لقد حالفني الحظ لأنك في كثير من الأحيان تصل إلى لحظة كهذه في الحياة وأنت تقول هذا الأمر وأنت تقوم بخطوة ولا تذهب إلى أي مكان وتستقر مرة أخرى أعتقد أنها عملية طائشة من عيش حياتك ولكني كنت محظوظًا في الجزء الخلفي من اختطاف الكتاب كان العنوان ورقم الهاتف لمؤسسته في كامبريدج حيث كان قد أنشأه للتواصل مع جهات الاتصال والتعرف على قصصهم والعمل معهم أه وهكذا اتصلت بهم وقلت أود التطوع أه أنا واحد من بين الدروس القليلة الجيدة التي تعلمتها في حياتي بحلول ذلك الو

قت ، لم يكن هناك شيء تقريبًا لا يمكنك فعله إذا كنت على استعداد للتطوع ، أتمنى لو كنت قد تعلمت ذلك عندما كنت في سن المراهقة أو العشرينات من عمري على عكس من من أين يمكنني الحصول على أموال مقابل القيام بشيء ما بعد ذلك ، فأنت تعرف آه ولا أعلم أنني فقط لو كنت مشبعًا بطاقة معينة أو شيء لا أعرفه ، لكنهم قالوا حسنًا إنهم لم يقابلوني أبدًا ، لذا جمعت كل شيء وتوجهت إلى كامبريدج ووصلت في يناير من عام 1996. أه مكثت أربعة أشهر كمتطوع ، لقد كان تجربة مدهشة ولكن أثناء وجودي هناك ، تمكنت من معرفة كيف يمكنك أن ت

قرر ما إذا كان دوري مناسبًا وكان هذا هو ثاني أكبر قراري وكان الدور هو هذا ، فقد أدركت أن المشكلة مع هذه المشكلة أه التي جعلتها محير للغاية بالنسبة لي طوال حياتي لماذا لا نعرف المزيد من المعلومات لماذا لا يتم تطوير ما يحدث هنا ، كل هذا يبدو محيرًا إلى حد ما لأن الظواهر كانت تظهر في الأخبار طوال الوقت وكانت الكتب يتم نشرها مكتوب وما إلى ذلك ، لكن لم يكن هناك شيء لأنه لم يكن مشكلة علمية حيث تم إجراء أكثر من قدر كافٍ من العلم من قبل أشخاص عاديين فقط ما أسميه علماء المواطنين أه لتأكيد هذا الوجود مرات

عديدة ، لذا إذا لم يكن كذلك مشكلة علمية ، ما هي مشكلة سياسية ، بمعنى آخر ، كانت المشكلة هي أن الحكومة وضعت سياسة يتم فيها احتواء حقيقة صحة ذلك ، ولن يتم إضفاء الطابع الرسمي عليها من قبل الحكومة. بمعنى أننا لا نريد أن يتم إضفاء الطابع الرسمي على هذا ، لذا لن يكون الأمر كذلك إذا لم يعجبك الأمر صعبًا ، وبالتالي فهي مشكلة سياسية ، لذلك لحلها عليك حلها سياسيًا ، عليك إنهاء تلك السياسة التي كانت لدى الحكومة تم إنشاؤه بدءًا من حوالي عام 47. حسنًا ، كيف يمكنني القيام بذلك بشكل جيد ، لقد خطر ببالي عندما

كنت في مكتبي في كامبريدج أنه لم يسجل أحد من قبل كعضو ضغط في هذه القضية ، فهذه مشكلة رئيسية لماذا لا يوجد عضو جماعة الضغط حسنًا ، السبب هو أنه لا يمكنك الحصول على أموال مقابل القيام بذلك بشكل صحيح ، فلا يوجد مال فيه على ما يرام ، وبالطبع هذه مشكلة تقول الحكومة إنها غير موجودة أو ليست ذات أهمية ، لذا لا يهمني ذلك قلت إنني سأذهب إلى واشنطن ، وسأنشئ منظمة ، وسأقوم بالتسجيل كعضو ضغط ، وسأكون أول شخص يقوم بذلك على الإطلاق ، حيث يتحقق منشور واشنطن من جميع تسجيلات جماعات الضغط وعندما يرون تسجيلاتي سيذه

بون إلى ما نريد التحدث إليه مع هذا الصبي ومرة ​​أخرى كنت على حق لذا وصلت في يوليو إنه عيد الاستقلال الرابع 1996. أه تمكنت من القيام بذلك لأن عائلتي عاشت في تلك المنطقة لمدة 75 عامًا تعود إلى أوائل التسعينيات من القرن العشرين ، لذلك كان لدي مكان مجاني للعيش فيه وإنشاء مكتب أه جماعات الضغط المسجلة أرسلوا مراسلًا لمقابلتي ، ضع مقالًا كبيرًا في منشور واشنطن وتم إطلاق مسيرتي المهنية بصفتي ضابط ضغط ufo الذي أنا هذا أنا لست أنا ناشط إعلاني مدافع تصادف أنه تم تسجيله بصفتي أحد أعضاء جماعة الضغط آه ولكن ا

لقول بأنني عضو في دورة جماعات ضغط في الجسم الخارجي أمر سخيف ، لكن اللغة كانت دائمًا مشكلة في هذه القضية ، لذا فإن هذا ما أشير إليه منذ بعض الوقت ، وهكذا بدأت الأمر بهذه البساطة وبعد 26 عامًا لقد واصلت الآن القيام بالضبط بما قمت به في البداية هو كيف يمكنني المساعدة في إنهاء سياسة الحكومة لقمع هذه المشكلة التي أشير إليها الآن باسم حظر الحقيقة الذي أقول أنه بدأ بالإشارة إليه في عام 2000 ، 2001 ، إنه حظر الحقيقة كيف ننهي هذا الحصار أه وإه وماذا يحدث إذا عملنا بشكل جيد إذا كان ذلك الحظر انتهى ، لديك

ما أسميه الإفصاح ، بمعنى آخر ، سيكون التأكيد الرسمي هو حدث الإفصاح ، وبالتالي فإن سنواتي الـ 26 بأكملها في هذا المجال كانت تدور حول ذلك ما زال لدينا إفصاح ، لا ، هل نحن على وشك القيام بذلك ، لذلك آمل ذلك. قبل أن ندخل في مزيد من المعلومات حول نعم وآخرون والإفصاح والأجسام الغريبة ، أخبرني قليلاً عن وقتك مع برنامج جون ماك ، أعتقد أنه هو برنامج البحث عن تجربة غير عادية شيئًا مشابهًا جدًا لذلك صحيح ، نعم ، هل قابلت جون بالمناسبة وكذلك هل قابلت الدكتور مايك نعم نعم يا فتى كان الثاني تخمين أهم حدث في ح

ياتي بصراحة أه كنت مجرد شخص تطوير متطوع ، صحيح لم أكن باحثًا أعتقد أنني كنت كذلك هناك تحدثت إلى بعض جهات الاتصال التي تحدثت إلى بعض الباحثين وما إلى ذلك ، وشاهدت الأشياء تحدث ، كنت في كامبريدج على بعد عدة مبانٍ من هارفارد ، لقد كان كل ما تعرفه محفزًا للغاية ، لكنني وصلت في وقت ممتع شكّله هذا بالتأكيد طريق y بطريقة كبيرة ، إنه معقد بعض الشيء ، لكن دعني أرى ما إذا كان بإمكاني تكثيف الأمر ، اتخذ جون ماك القرار في أوائل التسعينيات للدخول في هذه المشكلة التي لم يكن يريد ذلك ، لكنه كان يقول كيف يمكن أ

ن يقول عدد من الأشخاص نوع من الإيحاء بأنه نظر إلى الأمر ، يريدون منه أن ينظر إليها وقاوم ، لكنه في النهاية اتخذ قرارًا بالاشتراك معه ، ولكن قبل أن يفعل ذلك ، نزل بسهولة للقاء بود هوبكنز في أه في نيويورك مباشرة في الاستوديو الخاص به لمناقشة عمله بالطبع بحلول أوائل التسعينيات من القرن التاسع عشر ، كان معروفًا جيدًا كباحث في هذا المجال ونشر كتبًا مهمة ، لكنه لم يكن طبيبًا نفسيًا مدربًا ، لقد كان فنانًا على حق ولكنه كان فنانًا للغاية . طريق صعب أه بطريقة ما وهكذا ذهب ليرى برعم وهذه هي القصة الملفقة

التي أعتقد أنها صحيحة ولكن التفاصيل ربما تكون غامضة ولكن في الأساس سارت الأمور على هذا النحو وهو يتحدث مع برعم وهو يحاول تحديد ما إذا كان يريد القيام بذلك إنه هو هناك حقًا شيء هو re موجود هناك وهناك يتحدث برعم عن عمله ويذكره برعم أنه منذ أن كتب كتبه اتصل به العديد من الأشخاص ، فقد كانت هذه أيام البريد تتذكر البريد حيث قام الأشخاص بتدوين الأشياء ووضعها في مظروف و ختم أه وقد حصل على رسائل أكثر مما يمكنه الرد عليها مرارًا وتكرارًا وأنت تعلم ، وكلها في الخزانة في الغرفة هناك المئات من هذه الرسائل ال

تي لا تزال مفتوحة ، اذهب وأخذ أربعة أو خمسة منهم وفتحهم فقط وقراءتهم بشكل ممتع ، فهل ذهب جون إلى الاستيلاء على خمسة جلس وفتحه وبدأ في القراءة أعتقد أنه عندما أدرك أن هذا حقيقي وسأشارك ولذلك فقد شارك ولكن خمن ما هو عليه في أوائل التسعينيات ، فهو خريج محترم من جامعة هارفارد ، إنه أه حاصل على جائزة بوليتزر وهو يعمل في مستشفى كامبريدج بالقرب من هارفارد ولذا فإن هارفارد مهتم جدًا بأي شيء يفعله و وبالتالي ر لم يكونوا سعداء بخير لأن جون ماك كان يمنح مكانته واسم هارفارد بشكل غير مباشر لهؤلاء الأشخاص الم

جانين الذين يقولون إنهم يواجهون كائنات فضائية ، لم يكن هارفارد هو الكيان الوحيد الذي لم يكن سعيدًا بجون ، كان هناك المتشككون في الناس. أنه لأي سبب كان شرعيًا غير شرعي أه كان متناقضًا للغاية مع هذا وسيعمل أي شيء لتقويضه ، كان هذا نوعًا من العصر الذهبي لما نسميه مذنبين أو مخابئ المشككين أو أي شيء آخر والمطلق رقم واحد كان رجلاً نبيلًا. اسم فيل كلاس الذي كان له بعض المكانة لأنه كان محررًا لتقنية علوم الطيران ، وأعتقد أن مجلة تكنولوجيا علوم الطيران نسيت الاسم الدقيق ولكن هذه كانت مجلة مهمة جدًا ، لذل

ك كان لديه جاذبية وكان قد فضح و هاجم هذه القضية لسنوات ، وهكذا ذهب الصف وراء جون بطريقة شريرة ، فأما في الأساس ، فقد توصل أحد الأشخاص الذين عمل معهم إلى ترتيب حيث كان ذلك الرجل كانت زوجته تذهب وتتواصل مع جون ماك في المنظمة و و أه طلب المساعدة بعبارة أخرى تسعى للتحدث معه حول كونه جهة اتصال ووافق على العمل معها ولذا كان لديهم عدد من الجلسات ثم ذهبت على الفور إلى مجلة تايم وقالت إنني لست جهة اتصال ، لقد قمت بشرائها بشكل صحيح ويجب أن تعلم ذلك وهكذا كتبت مجلة تايم بعد ذلك مقالاً ناجحاً عن جون ماك مما

أعطى هارفارد العذر للانتقال إليه الآن حسنًا في وقت لاحق بعد أن تم تشغيل هذا الشيء لإعطائك فكرة عن مدى جودة دعني أعود ، لذا كانت نتيجة ذلك أن جون تعرض لتدقيق جاد وكان عليه أن يدافع عن نفسه ضد جهود هارفارد كيف ستقول أه استفسر وفهم عمله مع الإشارة إلى أنه إذا لم يكن مقبولًا ، فستكون هناك عواقب تسميها محكمة حق ، كان على جون أن ينفق ربع مليون دولار ليقتبس من الدفاع عن نفسه باستخدام محاميه الشخصي بالإضافة إلى مساعدة ناشط أسطوري أورني بالاسم والصديق المقرب لي داني شيهان ولذا فقد استعدوا جميعًا وأه كان

لداني أن تلعب هذه المحكمة دورًا مهمًا أه هو سيد في تفكيك الهراء وعندما انتهى كل شيء في هارفارد قال حسنًا ، حسنًا ، استمر ولكن لا يزال هذا لم يكن مفيدًا ، لكن الأمر يزداد سوءًا لأنه يمر من خلال ذلك ، ثم يدعوه الفصل إلى اجتماع سنوي أفكر في cycop أه أه نوع من الذكاء الاصطناعي لا أعرف قبلة وابتكر شيئًا تعرفه مهما كان وفي ذلك الاجتماع هم أن المرأة التي بدأت عملية اللدغة يتم إحضارها لمواجهته أه هكذا كان قبيحًا لقد مات فيل كلاس الآن واه ما هي تلك العبارة المشهورة أنسى من المشهور بها ولكن أه أه أنا هل

تعلم أني لن أه أتمنى أبدًا موت أحد لكني قرأت بعض أه نعي مع أه أه كيف ستقول بسرور أه ولكن ما حدث بعد ذلك هو أن نوفا التي تعد برنامجًا مهمًا جدًا في التلفزيون العام اتخذت قرارًا عمل فيلم وثائقي عن أ بخصوص جهة الاتصال هذه ، وقد فعلوا ذلك من خلال التركيز على جون ماك وبود هوبكنز بشكل مثير للاهتمام بما فيه الكفاية ولكن بالطبع كونهم شخصًا رئيسيًا جلب جون إلى الميدان ، لذا فقد أجروا مقابلة مع جون وأجروا مقابلات مع بود هوبكنز وعملهم وما إلى ذلك. قطعة aa لـ nova التي أعتقد أنها كانت نوعًا ما من النوع القي

اسي 56 دقيقة و 52 دقيقة ، ربما كانت 60 كاملة لأنه لا توجد إعلانات أه وأعتقد أنك حصلت على شريط vhs المتقدم تذكر هؤلاء أه أه تم تسليمهم إلى جون أه في يناير من عام 1996. في الواقع ، كان جالسًا على المكتب في اليوم الذي عاد فيه من رحلة كنت قد وصلت قبل أسبوع واحد فقط ولم أتمكن من مقابلته لأنه لم يكن هناك بعد ، لذا فأنا مجرد نوع من اعتني بعملي الخاص بإعداد الأشياء مع فكرة أنني سألتقي بالدكتور ماك عندما وصل بعد بضعة أيام عندما وصل ذلك الشريط كان جالسًا على المكتب ، لذا كان من أول الأشياء التي فعلها أخذ

هذا الشريط ووضعه في vhs ونرى ما الذي جاء به nova جيدًا لقد توصلنا nova إلى قطعة ناجحة ونحن نعلم أيضًا أن المنتجين الذين لم يكن هدفهم ولكن في منتصف الطريق من إنتاج هذا تلقوا المكالمة من أعلى قائلين أن هذه ستكون قطعة ناجحة وفي واحد على الأقل من المنتجين ، تركت امرأة في الحال ، خرجت للتو ، وهكذا ذهب هذا الشيء بعده ، ويذهب بعد ذلك بودي هوبكنز والطريقة التي سارت بها بعد جون هل عادت إلى هذه المرأة التي كانت بداية الهجوم عليه وأحضرها وجعلها جزءًا من nova حتى يشاهد هذا ثم بعد بضع دقائق يسير في القاعة لي

عرفني ، وهكذا كنت هناك حيث أعتقد أن هذه الهزة الارتدادية تحدث وكان هناك حفلة صغيرة عندما كنت محتجزًا في الغرفة الأمامية لعودة جون والموظفين هناك هناك بعض ملفات تعريف الارتباط واللكمات وأنا أجلس هناك وصدف أنني متكئ على الحائط وجون جالس على الأريكة على يساري فقط أنا لا أشارك أنا خلفه نوعًا ما ولديه شريط nova على agai ن وهو يشاهدها وهذه لحظة لا تمحى بالنسبة لي في حياتي ، يميل إلى الأمام بيديه كما تعلم أمام وجهه وسمعته يقول لنفسه أن الفاشيين قادمون من أجلي كانت لحظة ممتعة إلى أي مدى تواجه جون ماك في

هذه المرحلة بالذات عندما كان الهجوم على عمله الأساسي الذي لم يكن موجودًا حتى لو اعترفت الحكومة بوجود خارج كوكب الأرض في عام 1947 عندما كان لديهم تأكيدًا على أن هذا الرجل الطيب الذي قام بعمل عظيم يحدث كما هو الحال الآن. عندما أصل إلى هناك حرفيًا للمرة الأولى وسمعه يقول إن من يدري ما إذا كان هذا ما أثر ذلك على قراري بعد بضعة أشهر بالذهاب ، فسوف أذهب إلى واشنطن وأعطي سياسة هذا إلى إلى الحد الذي استطعت أن يكون ذلك محدودًا لأنني وصلت مع ما يقرب من 20 سنتًا في جيبي ولم يكن لدي مكان مجاني للعيش فيه ،

لم أكن لأكون هناك على الإطلاق ، كان بإمكاني القيام بذلك بشكل صحيح ، آه لا أعرف ولكن هذا يعطي لك إحساس بما يحدث إد في تلك الأشهر الأربعة من يناير إلى آه جيدًا أنت تعرف فبراير مارس أبريل مايو وفي يونيو خمسة أشهر أعتقد أه كان هذا هو التغيير الذي تغيرت حياتي بشكل جذري وأدى إلى حيث نحن ذاهبون آه قليل لذا غادرت في 96 أه وواصلت نشاطي وبدأت أه بعقد مؤتمرات في واشنطن العاصمة في عام 2004 بعنوان مؤتمر x حاولت أن أحضر جون ليأتي أعني أنه كان من دواعي الشرف له أن يكون في أول مؤتمري السابق أه سياسة exo المؤتمر

الصحيح x المؤتمر أه لقد كان ناجحًا ، كان هناك 30 متحدثًا ولكنه كان أولًا وأعتقد أنه يمكنك قول شيء غير معروف حتى أقدر سبب تردد جون في القفز إلى ذلك فقط لذلك لم يكن متوفر ، هذا جيد ، قلت إنني سأحصل عليه لعام 2005. وهكذا كنت بصدد الاقتراب منه منذ عام 2005 عندما صعد أمام شاحنة في لندن بدا يسارًا وهو ما تفعله في الولايات المتحدة ولكن ليس في لندن كانت الساعة 11 ليلاً ، كان الظلام مظلماً ولم يكن هناك مصابيح قفزت أمام شاحنة وأصيبت بأقصى سرعة وقتلت على الفور ، ذهبت بالفعل إلى ذلك المكان لأنني ذهبت إلى ل

ندن عدة مرات وحيث أقيم عندما أكون هناك ثلاث محطات توقف فقط على بعد لقد قمت للتو بتشغيل أنبوب سريع هناك وها أنا أمشي ذهبت إلى الممر الفعلي حيث حدث ذلك ، لقد حاولت أن أتخيل وجوده هناك بناءً على ما أعرفه والطريق إلى اليمين لم يكن هناك أضواء وكان ذلك أه لا توجد مبانٍ حقًا ، إنها نوعًا ما تنزل إلى بعض الأخشاب وأنت تتجه نحو الأنبوب ، وتوقف أي شيء قادمًا من هناك ما لم تكن منتبهًا ، فأنت حقًا لن تلاحظ أه وتخيله ينزل عن هذا أه ذاك على الرصيف أمامه حتى أنني تحدثت إلى امرأة بالقرب من محطة مترو الأنفاق في ا

لمدينة كانت بائعة زهور وتحدثت عن كيف أه المرأة التي زار منزلها تلك الليلة لحضور اجتماع وتأتي لشراء الزهور أه لسبب ما حفل مهما نسيت ما كان أه وأنني فعلت ذلك وأنا صنعته زيارة في عام 2000 واه اه 2017. لذا نعم ، أنا سعيد لأنك سألتني عن هذا جون ماك عمله كتابه عن رغبة كارين ويسلوفسكي التي كانت مديرة المكتب ، وأعتقد أن المدير العام للمكتب مشروع ليس الباحث بحد ذاته امرأة رائعة ورائعة للسماح لي بالمجيء إلى هناك كمتطوعة دون حتى معرفة من أنا ، فأنا مدين لهم بكل شيء إذا كنت إذا حققت أي شيء في هذا المجال ، ف

سيحدث ذلك فقط لأن هذه كانت محطتي الأولى. كان بإمكانه اختيار أي عدد من الأبواب الأخرى للدخول إلى هذا المجال وأعرف العديد من الأشخاص الذين مروا عبر تلك الأبواب الأخرى وكانت الاحتمالات أقل بكثير من ظهور أي شيء ذي أهمية منه ، لذلك آمل أن وقد أكتب هذا بشكل مكثف في وقت ما ولكن على مر السنين ، امتد انتباهي والإنترنت بشكل أساسي هو المسؤول عن هذا لأنه لم يكن طويلاً بشكل خاص لأنني رجل إضافي محق في الإعجاب بأن الأمر يرجع إلى ميكروثانية بشكل صحيح إذا كنت g لكتابة كتاب ، تحتاج إلى التركيز لفترات طويلة من الو

قت والتركيز ، نعم ، البودكاست مثالي بالنسبة لي يا صاح ، نعم ، يمكنني عمل البودكاست طوال اليوم ، لكني سعيد لأنك سألت عن ذلك ، لا يمكنني أن أذهلها ، نعم لا أستطيع أن أصف أهمية كبيرة جدًا لأهمية القليل جدًا لأهمية جون ماك في حياتي يستحق جون ماك تقديرًا كبيرًا لما فعله لم يحصل عليه بعد ، نعم لأنه كان مبكرًا إلى حد ما وآمل في عالم ما بعد الإفصاح و سأحاول المساعدة هناك لأنه يحصل على أه الإقرار الذي يستحقه ، نعم مؤخرًا لقد عاد مرة أخرى إلى الساحة مرة أخرى بسبب أه أخيرًا الجمهور العام أه أه إخلاء سبيل م

درسة جوية ظاهرة حول حدث المدرسة الهوائية في جنوب إفريقيا زيمبابوي والتي اشتهر بها جون ماك بالذهاب إلى هناك وما إلى ذلك وهكذا كان هذا أحد أهم أعماله في ذلك الفيلم أه لا يزال الفيلم لم يحصل على هذا النوع من التقدير والتوسع بعد الأمل نعم ، لكن مساهمة جون هنا صدقوني تاريخية وآمل أن يعترف التاريخ بذلك يومًا ما ، لكن الحكومات جيدة جدًا في قمع حتى محو الناس من هذه الأنواع من الإنجازات من التاريخ في وقت مبكر تعلمون أن عصر ستالين كان مشهورًا به جمع الصور وإعادة تصميمها وإخراج الناس منها والذي كان شكلاً م

ن أشكال التجنيد لـ CGI في ذلك الوقت ، يعرف الإله الصحيح ما هو ستالين الذي تعرفه بالطبع اليوم ، سيكون من الصعب حقًا أن يقوم النظام الستاليني بذلك لأنه يوجد الآن المليارات منهم إنهم على الإنترنت ، لا يمكنك تغييرهم ، لذا لم يكن ستالين لم يكن كذلك بشكل خاص كيف ستقول أه منجذب إلى الواقع الحالي ولكن في ذلك الوقت ، نعم ، أخرجك حرفيًا من الصورة التي لا تفعلها الحكومات الموجودة تفعل هذا طوال الوقت أه الإنترنت يجعل الأمر أكثر صعوبة ، نعم صحيح ، الإنترنت إلى الأبد وهو أمر جيد وشيء سيء لأنه إذا كنت بحاجة إل

ى التعرف عليك إذا احتاج الناس إلى تعرف عنك بمجرد دخولك إلى الشبكة ، فأنت موجود للأبد إلى الأبد ، من ناحية أخرى ، إذا كنت تفعل أشياء غبية حقًا بشكل صحيح إذا كنت تخدع نفسك وكان الإنترنت موجودًا أيضًا إلى الأبد وهكذا تعرف أن هذا هو هذه هي قواعد المشاركة التي لدينا سيف ذو حدين للإنترنت ، أخبرني ما هي بعض من وجهة نظرك التي تحقق أعظم إنجازاتك التي تفخر بإنجازاتك فيما يتعلق بعالم من أنواع الأجسام الغريبة. والإفصاح عني بالموارد المحدودة التي أملكها مع كون الوضع الحكومي هو ما يعنيه أنك عضو جماعة ضغط مقتب

س من ufo أود أن أقول إنني أحد أعضاء جماعة الضغط ولكن بالتأكيد المدافع عن الإفصاح هو ما أنا حقًا لم يكن هناك الكثير مما يمكنك فعله هل سيتحدث الناس في الكونجرس معك ، كما تعلم ، نعم ، كانت هناك جهود كثيرة للتحدث إلى الناس في الكونغرس ، والبعض الآخر من قبل أشخاص أكثر بكثير ، آه كيف يمكنك أن تقول مدعومًا وممولًا مني وكان هامشيًا تمامًا أنت فقط لم أستطع فعل ذلك وأدركت أنا و ii ، لكن كوني عضوًا في جماعة ضغط مسجلة كان بمثابة علامة ، كان الأمر أشبه بوضع علامة أسفل كل قضية أخرى ذات أهمية حصلت على حق جماعا

ت الضغط ولكن هذا الأمر ليس كذلك ، وبالتالي فإن وجود عضو ضغط مسجل هو القول إن هذه المسألة مهمة أيضًا حتى لو لم يتحدثوا معك ، لقد قمت بوضع علامة قمت بزرع العلم في النهاية ، قمت بتشكيل أول لجنة عمل سياسي مغترب ولم يكن هناك شركة للعمل السياسي وإلا فعلت ذلك جمع مبالغ ضخمة من no ii لم أكتب القليل من المال ولكن كان هناك يمكنني القول إنه موجود لذا ما أدركته هو الطريقة التي يعمل بها النشاط في العصر الحديث أه خاصة إذا لم يكن لديك الموارد هي إشراك وسائل الإعلام وما نفهمه الآن وأعتقد أن هذا صحيح بشكل متزايد

في جميع أنحاء العالم باستثناء البلدان الاستبدادية التي تريد الوصول إلى القادة ما لم يكن لديك حقًا مكانة خاصة ، فلن تكون قادرًا على الذهاب مباشرة لهم تذهب إلي ضياء تحصل على تغطية القضية في وسائل الإعلام وسائل الإعلام التي تمسكها أمام مقل عيونهم في أه في الصحف وماذا قرأوا عنها ونوع من المقياس ووضع أصابعهم لقياس أي اتجاه تهب الرياح وفي وقت ما يدركون أنك ربما أحتاج إلى التعامل مع ذلك بشكل جيد ، فقد تمت إدارة وسائل الإعلام حول هذه القضية بشكل كبير بطريقة أو بعبارة أخرى وسائل الإعلام سواء عرفت ذلك أم

لا طوال السنوات الأولى التي مضت. من عام 1947 فصاعدًا لنفترض أن بداية عملي عام 1996 وهو ما كان أه أه ما يقرب من 50 عامًا كان مكونًا رئيسيًا في حظر الحقيقة بالطريقة التي تعامل بها مع القضية كان مفتاحًا لإبقاء القضية محتواة نسبيًا الآن ماذا نفعل أعني بذلك ، هل أعني أنهم كانوا يعملون مثل وسائل الإعلام الحكومية أنهم كانوا يتلقون بانتظام رسائل بريد إلكتروني أعني رسائل البريد الإلكتروني ولكن أه مراسلات من الحكومة تقول هذا ما تقوله بعد ذلك لا لا ، لم نكن نحن ' نحن لسنا الاتحاد السوفياتي لم نكن كذلك الا

تحاد الفيتنامي ولكن من وجهة نظري قدرًا معينًا من درجة الوطنية وأيًا كانت طرق الإقناع المباشرة أو غير المباشرة ، اتخذت وسائل الإعلام القرار على ما يرام وأقول أن الإعلام هو قرار جماعي للغاية ولكنه ليس كذلك إنه فقط لا أفعل أعرف كيف أصفه ليس الأمر كذلك لأنه ليس منظمًا رسميًا ولكنه أصبح استجابة جماعية هو أن هذا الشيء يحدث الناس يرون أشياء أه تقارير قادمة في أحداث سنقوم بتغطيتها أننا سنكتبها هكذا حدث س ونكتبه حدث س ، حسنًا ، كان لدى شخص ما هذه الرؤية ، تم الإبلاغ عن أن سلاح الجو قال هذا مهما سنقوم بكت

ابته ، لكننا لن نحقق في الأمر ، لن نحقق فيه الآن أنت قد يقول ما هو الاختلاف ليس في أن ما تدور حوله التقارير لا لا لا ، هناك سبب وراء وجود مصطلح خاص لدينا لذلك يسمى التقارير الاستقصائية حسنًا ، psy hirsch هو مراسل استقصائي صحيح ، و Woodward bernstein نعرفه ما هي أرقامهم ليست كبيرة ، نحن بحاجة إلى الكثير منهم أه لكنها مهمة صعبة ، إنها مخاطرة ، إنها صعبة ، لذا اتخذت وسائل الإعلام قرارًا بأننا سنكتب هذا ولكننا لن نرسل أي مراسلين دفع فواتير تذاكر الطيران والفنادق للذهاب إلى واشنطن والتسلل حول موقف ال

بنتاغون وربما المرور عبر القمامة ومعرفة ما إذا كان بإمكاننا العثور على شيء حول هذه المشكلة لا تخبرنا به الحكومة أو تحاول البحث عن أي أه أه أه شهود أو المبلغين عن المخالفات أو أيا كان الجحيم وقابلهم في مرآب لتصليح السيارات في روزلين ، لا أعرف ما إذا كنت تعرف أنني أشير بالطبع إلى ووترغيت حيث التقى وودورد بشعره في المرآب مرارًا وتكرارًا في مرآب تحت الأرض في روزلين فيرجينيا مباشرة عبر نهر حيث حصل على كل تلك المعلومات لن نفعل ذلك بشكل جيد ، وبعبارة أخرى ، سنواصل العمل معًا ، ولن ندفع هذه المشكلة وبعب

ارة أخرى ، سنقوم بدعمها بشكل صريح أو ضمني هذا الحظر الحقيقة wh الكثير من الناس في وسائل الإعلام اكتشفوا في وقت مبكر ما كان يحدث ، أعني أنهم يعرفون عدد الأشخاص على مر السنين في مهنة الصحافة الذين اكتشفوا شخصيًا أن هذه الظاهرة كانت خارج كوكب الأرض ، لم تكن الحكومة تقول الحقيقة عنها إنها الحقيقة البسيطة بالآلاف ، لكننا لن نفعل ذلك ، لذا فإن المساهمة الرئيسية التي قدمتها في الجيل بشكل عام كانت ببساطة إشراك وسائل الإعلام بلا هوادة ، حسنًا وهكذا على مدى 26 عامًا السنوات التي شاركت فيها حوالي 580 مقالة

تمت كتابتها في وسائل الإعلام السائدة ، فأنا لا أتحدث عن أشياء هامشية سخيفة مهما كنت مجرد وسيلة إعلامية رئيسية ، أو عن عمل المناصرة لمجموعات البحث النموذجية أو أنا حسنًا ، لقد حصلت عليها و يمكنك العثور عليها على موقع الويب الخاص بي ولكن استمرت كتابة الآلاف والآلاف من المقالات حول هذا الموضوع منذ التسعينيات أه على موقع الويب الخاص بي في أرشيف الوسائط المطبوعة ضمن مواقع الموارد نموذج المجموعة البحثية. لذلك هناك الكثير من المقالات ، لدي 13000 رابط لمقالات على موقع الويب الخاص بي ، إنه أكبر أرشيف لل

روابط لمقالات حول موضوع ما في العالم ، لقد قرأتها ، لذا فقد ساعدت في الكثير من هذه المقالات لقد ساعدت في الإنشاء بطرق مختلفة ، وبعبارة أخرى ، فأنا أساعد في دفع القضية أمام وسائل الإعلام والاحتفاظ بها ، لكنني لست الوحيد الذي صدقني ولكنني جعلت التركيز عليه مناسبًا ، لقد ساعدت في محاولة توسيع التغطية الإعلامية وحاول أيضًا تثقيف وسائل الإعلام ، وتثقيف هؤلاء المراسلين ، لا يمكنني إخبارك بعدد المناقشات التي أجريتها مع المراسلين المهمين ، أنت تعرف المراسلين الجادين للغاية حيث أتعمق في ما قد حدث وماذا ي

حدث وهذا صحيح emba rgo وكل شيء آخر ويستمعون ثم يكتبون مقالًا يغطي القليل من ذلك وينشرونه ويتقدمون ولكن بعبارة أخرى لن يتعمقوا في ما أقوم به أخبرني الآن أن هذا يتغير ، هناك مقال سيصدر قريبًا في صحيفة واشنطن والذي سيكون ملفًا شخصيًا رئيسيًا لعملي ، أعتقد أنه يجب عليك التعمق قليلاً هناك ، حسنًا ، لكن الأمر استغرق 26 عامًا للحصول على هذا الملف الشخصي ، حسنًا ولكنك أعلم أنك تتحدث إلى مئات المراسلين على مدار 26 عامًا ، فأنت تقوم بتغيير المشهد قليلاً في كل مرة لتثقيف هؤلاء المراسلين ، وكنت أعلم أنه في

النهاية ستكون وسائل الإعلام هي التي ستنهي الحظر المفروض على الحقيقة بشكل أساسي. مفتاح إنهاء الحصار سيكون المفتاح لإجبار الحكومة على التراجع في نهاية المطاف عن منع الحكومة من أه التراجع عن هذا الأمر الذي لم أكن أعرف في الأيام الأولى أن أحد المكونات الرئيسية لذلك الإعلام سيكون الأشياء التي لم أكن أعرف حتى بوجوده عندما دخلت الحقل في 96 أم ، وأعتقد أننا نتعامل مع متصفح الفسيفساء ، ولا أعتقد أن متصفح Google ظهر حتى uh 98 ، ولم يخرج facebook حتى عام 2003. وسائل التواصل الاجتماعي لم يكن لدي أي فكرة عن

أن هذا كان قادمًا ، لم يكن لدي أي فكرة عن أن واقع البث على شبكة الإنترنت للمواطن سيصل وينفجر في جميع أنحاء العالم لم يكن لدي أي فكرة أن هذا كله جزء من الصحافة بمعنى أن هذا كله جزء من وسائل الإعلام وهكذا الآن أه أحب تحليلها بهذه الطريقة ، لديك ملفات بودكاست أستخدمها لوصف جميع الأشياء المسجلة مسبقًا بشكل صحيح والتي يتم طرحها لاحقًا والتي يقوم بها غير المحترفين ، حسنًا بشكل أساسي على الرغم من أنهم أصبحوا أكثر احترافًا كل وقت نيتكاست هو تسجيلات حية أه مثل تلك التي يتم بثها على الهواء مباشرة ثم يتم ب

ثها عندما تخرج تلك الأشياء عبر محطات الراديو الفعلية أه شبكات المحطات التلفزيونية وشبكات الكابلات لذا بودكاست نيتكاست تضعها كلها معًا وليس مفاجئًا كما نحن اقترب من قدمه بدأ في وضع الأشياء مثل خرطوم الحريق ، حسنًا ، والحمد لله ، لذا أعتقد أنني لعبت دورًا في المساعدة في بناء خرطوم أكبر للمساعدة في تحديدك للمساعدة في تحقيق ذلك ، وهذا هو الجواب العام ولكن من حيث التفاصيل ، انظر ، هل أجريت 6 مؤتمرات في البداية في أوائل الفترات آه ، لقد أجريت مقابلات حول 12 1300 مقابلة حول هذا الموضوع أه لا أعتقد أن أ

ي شخص أجرى مقابلات حول هذا الموضوع أكثر من لديّ أنهم مثل شخص مثل noir أو شيء فعلوه بالآلاف ، أعني أنهم فعلوا المزيد لكنهم أجروا مقابلة مع شخص آخر أتحدث عن مقابلته ، ثم بالطبع سمع المواطن عند الإفصاح الذي كان أنا أفكر في نشاطي في ذلك الوقت أه حيث أجريت جلسة استماع وهمية للكونغرس في واشنطن العاصمة على بعد كتلتين من مبنى الكابيتول الذي كان حدثًا بثلاثة أرباع مليون دولار وأه أو كاد أن يقتلني ولكن هذا كان حدثًا مهمًا كان ذلك عام 2013 ومنذ ذلك الحين i'v كنت أحاول إيجاد طرق للمساهمة في الأوقات العصيبة

للغاية الآن أه لم أتوقعها أيضًا ، لذا أعتقد أن الإجابة على سؤالك صدقني أنني أردت أن أفعل المزيد أه أتمنى أن يكون لدي الموارد اللازمة للقيام به more and and i and i wish some of my built-in limitations which we all have uh uh unfortunately prevented me from doing more uh i try not to regret it but if i could do it all over again believe me i would try to do or find a way to do ten times what i've been able to do in the last 26 years but it is what it is and and and i'm pleased that that we are in

fact about to very soon get the prize yeah like you said though it's it's a lot already and and maybe you've done more than even you realize you know maybe you've done things that have changed somebody's mind and and they went on to do something and it all came because of you pushing this subject out there um so in terms of you know these ufos uh you are obviously convinced beyond any doubt beyond any rea sonable doubt that they are some form of non-human intelligence there we say extraterrestr

ial you know civilization tell me how and and why you became so convinced of that fact oh okay the language i like to use is uap in terms of things we we're experiencing that's uap unidentified aerial phenomena sure not ufo ufo is a propaganda term the government melt to death it was the source it was the target of all the ridicule and it prevented people from engaging the subject because you're going to gauge the subject as a journalist or a politician what are you engaging ufos well that term

had already been bastardized so the moment you say ufo forget it right uap is is has been substituted it means exactly the same thing but it doesn't have the taint okay yeah you can say it all right yeah language is important so uh that's why i use that term that refers to things we see uh and and that phenomena is is are our vehicles of non-human origin which means that they were built by non-humans and th ey were piloted when piloted by non-humans and those non-humans come from somewhere else

there is a tiny tiny tiny possibility that they come from uh inner earth there's an equally tiny possibility that uh they come from the future there's an equally tiny tiny possibility that they i don't know uh somehow evolved on a moon of jupiter or something there is an enormous probability that they are from one of the other trillions of solar systems that exist in our our universe or just billions in our own galaxy uh so and iii figured that out when i was about 16. now you may say well wait

a minute what do you mean you're 16. but it's 1962 and you're pretty much convinced that there's an et presence based on what based on the news this is how bizarre the truth embargo is if you were to go back and you can i haven't done it because you got to get into micro fish fish uh you got to go to newspaper offices and go through you know their archive microfiche and start looking at the articles that wer e being written on this in the 50s and the 60s remember i said that the media made the d

ecision we'll cover it but we won't investigate it okay we'll leave that to people that have some free time on their hands or want to join nycap or something but we're not going to invest we're not going to challenge our powerful government on this we're not going to cause any you know disturb the force if you just read the news common sense would have told you this is a non-human phenomena okay it's really simple uh and and and i had no bias i was i was i was i was already a pretty much an athe

ist for agnostic uh religion meant had made no sense to me whatsoever i'm not bragging about that that was the case i didn't have any biases scientific biases i was just a smart teenager trying to get good grades in high school that was it but i was reading this stuff and going well clearly this is extraterrestrial right it it and and and i was going well uh we'll be hearing more about that soon right uh and and one of the examples i like to use is that there was a very significant article that

turned up in 1961 i was 15. look magazine and it was a very substantial article about the benny betty and barney hill abduction case now this is advanced stuff we're talking abduction all right yeah which eventually sort of got pushed back into the background it was there it was kind of sort of happening but it doesn't really start to emerge again until you have bud hopkins and and fowler and a few others but this is years later this is 1961. and whoever was managing look magazine at the time uh

i gotta admit they they kind of stepped out of their lane they they went a little further and so they write this order and i read this article and again i said wow these people encountered extraterrestrials so at that point it's obvious that it's true right in other words the extraterrestrial issue in some ways is incredibly simple it's not some complex science like quantum mechanics or something or trying t o understand time and space it's not a paradigm shift in a way like like uh the einstei

nian relativity paradigm it's it's it's as simple as some nice korean people moved into the neighborhood recently right yeah i saw them downtown walking around i think they've opened up a store downtown there's koreans in town that's it right that's it yeah well how do you know well i i saw them okay all right they're there uh it's that simple they are either here or they're not now the government has gone to great lengths to make it as convoluted and difficult and how to prove this and prove th

at and everything else and we gotta the levels of proof and scientific and peer review in order to do all of that in order to decide if there's et's here and what yeah you go through all of that if you're trying to uh i don't know uh prove the existence of the higgs boson and and convince people to spend a billion dollars to build the cern right yeah sure i get that you have to have massive peer review and stu dying the complexity and science and the equation yeah you do all of that yeah but the

et presence no they're either here or they're not you can either see them or you don't and there were plenty of reports of ps people seeing things that were operating in the sky in the 40s and late 40s and 50s that we couldn't do our planes were pretty basic back then okay and so yeah if we can't do it then obviously somebody's something is doing it that's not human and then you have suddenly this i say suddenly then the contact stuff comes pops up a little bit and we're talking about these the

se wonderful people betty and barney hill having this extraordinary experience going through the hypnosis recording everything and i'm watching this and going well okay they've actually had direct contact with whoever's flying these things this is 1961. so again ii don't want to beat this to death but let me be clear the obviousness of the extraterrestrial present was vivid in the 50s and early 60s right it's e asy to forget plus a lot of people they were born a lot later and so you know the mil

lennials have no idea what i'm talking about when i say this but anybody my age knows exactly what i'm talking about and so we have this situation where what was obvious to a 16 year old in 1961 under simple common sense is suppressed for another um 60 years from there right 60 meaning what what what are you talking about no nothing there right that is crazy it is crazy it it's like i understand when when a when aaa toxically autocratic situation like like the nazi regime or or uh the early comm

unist regimes and and others to clamp down and and and and and say this is what it is this is what is is and if you don't like it we're going to kill you and you're going to kill your family and your family pets right we're going to obliterate you we're going to erase your existence on this planet yeah i understand why that can happen and i understand that and that's and that that's at least kind of honest one t hing about those kind of regime they're very honest about it right look here's the d

eal this is the way things are if you don't like it we kill you okay you get it okay and so like hey just get drunk on vodka every night and go along but the united states is this special new experiment in government and and participation in democracy right rule of law and all of that okay good and so to attempt to do that under our constitution in this country was outrageous it was like are you kidding me are you serious really if you want to play this game then go full-out nazi go full-out uh

uh uh you know uh but don't don't pretend that that this is a nation of of truth and the rule of law and scientific inquiry and the the honest pursuit of knowledge don't don't pretend that and play that game right yeah and so that's what they did so the question when you asked me a simple question when did i know i knew when i was 16 years old and and i know there's some debunkers out there that would would would love to feast on that and say well you simple-minded teenager what the hell do you

know you know nothing and so like you know from that ignorance you've just generated more ignorance but believe me by and large none of the debunkers are skeptics seem to want to take me on and god i wish they would maybe i can arrange something maybe i can get you and somebody on the show to fight out that could be fun maybe uh there's a certain acid indigestion associated with that remember i uh my entry into this field is going to spend some time with john mack who had just come under vicious

attack by phil class one of the most evil people to ever engage this issue and so um best to to stay away from such people they they have nothing to offer me now yeah um insert so in terms of the so we got et right that you believe they're almost certainly to you acknowledge that there's a small percentage chance that they could be a future human or something from from here do you think there's even you know lik e a 0.01 chance that it's some kind of man-made tech do you think there could be a

government somewhere in the world that's 200 years ahead of the rest of us and they don't absolutely zero absolutely zero uh the only only reason that these things are even even in the discussion right uh is because the government has embargoed this issue and thus gone to great lengths to discredit any effort to finally bring it to ground okay uh if the government had done i don't know if the government had tried to do the same thing with atomic physics at the turn of the you know the 19th 20th

century early 20th century as as we were trying to learn about atomic physics and the government's attitude was well no no i can't go there can't do that we can't do that we must suppress that we must go and so they they suppressed it and they embargoed it and so undermined it and so anybody that was trying to study the atom was an idiot a fool crazy person right and they managed to keep that going for decades the n you couldn't you couldn't resolve atomic physics you couldn't you couldn't go th

rough a process which leads you to an actual understanding of it you're just always dealing with a certain vague whatever and so all kinds of interesting things would develop where people would would say look there's there's these tiny things that make up matter but but they're actually the result of magic there is another world and magicians are operating there and they create these little whatever the hell and people would actually be paying attention to it meaning oh oh you mean it's possible

that there's interdimensional magicians and and they're what's creating this little tiny stuff and that's why matter exists or whatever the hell now i know that sounds ridiculous doesn't it sounds totally absurd that's exactly what is happening here all right the only reason that a significant number of the alternative explanations exist at all is because the government has refused to allow the fundamental uh ackn owledgement of the actual explanation thus creating a kind of fantasy world of al

ternatives which still exist i mean you you have you have physicists like eric weinstein who's a pretty smart guy and he's doing podcasts and i know he's smarter than i am and his career is you know quite substantial i mean he's dealing pop universities i mean yeah i'm nobody compared to him uh and and my iq is not compared to him yet he's going on podcast and and and and actually you know speculating about could be time travel you've got others that are doing the same thing uh some alternative

explanation uh and i just i don't know what to say i it's it's frustrating right because it's the geniuses the brilliant people who have spent their life training themselves to be superb scientists right who to to to master the the ability to to understand and go through the scientific process achieving a truthful understanding of the world we need these people to engage the issues in our world right and so when the y're shut out when therefore they're left out of the room on something we lose a

ll of that ability another example you've got avi loeb who was a distinguished scientist one of the best known astrophysicists in the world longest running chairman of the harvard astronomy department that would be the same school that put john mack in front of a tribunal right because they were disturbed that his work was maybe not meeting harvard standards back in the early 90s now we're talking 25 years later things are a little different and so now we have avi loeb who is engaging this issue

in a very big way he's written a book he's gotten a lot of attention and he's apparently not a problem for harvard and harvard is okay with it okay that's progress here's one way the truth embargo works same thing with scientists as it did with journalists okay you create a situation where it is simply counter to the scientists interest to directly engage this issue in a way that's appropriate so the journalists wer e in the same position they're right about it but they're not going to investig

ate it now if you're a scientist it's a little different okay basically the preference for the government is you just don't engage it at all period right yeah because you're not a journalist it's not like you know just that no no just don't engage it at all which is why right 75 years after roswell and all that we've learned in those 75 years the massive amount of research has been done by regular old citizen scientists right so many of them had college degrees and many of them were scientists b

ut basically not not how would you say the formal scientific project not a single college or university is teaching a formal program on this in 75 years that's 5 000 colleges and universities that's a million who knows how many millions of professors have gone through those universities and colleges since 47. not a single one occasional what we'll call vanity programs like dr david jacobs had aa class that he taught o n on this issue at temple eventually you know and they they they indulged him

though once he told me you know i they indulged me on this and i was able to do this but i'll never be a full professor even even though he absolutely deserved it and he retired not too long ago as an associate professor and there's a couple of little courses that were taught at some community college so what is the point that i'm making the point that i'm making is the scientific component of the entire american academic system which is filled with hobby lobes and weinsteins and everybody else

has not had a formal teaching program on this issue they basically completely capitulated to the government propaganda program of embargo meaning we as a massive educational institution in all things including science we will stand down it is roughly the equivalent of the entire academic system in this country and basically the world making the decision in the early 1900s say around 1915 1920 we simply will not teach r elativity in our schools it's verbatim okay and so if you want to learn about

relativity i don't know go read some magazines or or or whatever but we're not going to teach it and 75 years later they're still not teaching it in other words you can't go to university and study relativity now people would say well that's just absurd steve of course that could not happen that's ridiculous what kind of stupid-ass analogy is that that's exactly what happened that is exactly what happened the government knew of the extraterrestrial presence no later than 47 probably sooner they

've got bodies they've got craft people are seeing it people are recording it it's all there it's literally ripe to be fully investigated the government said you will not in our academic community which unfortunately is riddled with cowards i mean riddled with cowardice right and maybe i can understand that lavoisier was a fantastic chemist the the the town's people eventually ran him down in the street murdered him bec ause he was doing some science they didn't like i get okay but and i've said

this many times the the the way that uh the the wonderful academic community of this constitutional republic dealt with this issue is the greatest intellectual favor of failure in all of history and there have been some big ones i mean really big ones this is it this is number one how in god's name did this many smart people with that much funding in a free country capitulate on something this straightforward not some exotic bizarre theory of science that eventually proved true or didn't true b

ut simply the presence of extraterrestrials and do it for three quarters of a century how did that happen and one of the things i'll be pushing post-disclosure as we enter what i call the reform era the post-disclosure reform era where we're going to have a chance to fix this crap right fix so many things is okay all you his distinguished historians particularly the ones at harvard university okay i want you to really fo cus and spend some time and go and study and please come back and explain t

o us how the hell that happened all right explain how the academic community this country failed us this big for so long so it doesn't happen again right and you harvard guys particularly need to do that because you participated in a way almost like any other university right and you are the university and so your disgrace is the greatest disgrace greater than mit i don't know mit and you know those are those are technology schools of the highest quality uh but in a way iii i want to give harvar

d that number one status not only because of john mack but because ultimately the et presence is not science i mean science and tech is associated with it but it's simply acknowledgment of their presence acknowledgement of a different world right we're not the only sensitive beings there's other sentient beings that's not a big science thing it's no more science science scientifically profound than learning that there's a nother species of frog in zimbabwe right or something right ah it's anothe

r frog okay cool maybe we should learn about it it's that simple part of it is the the school about all things science technology and arts and history and so forth and they said no no no no no no no no no no no no no we're not going to touch that we get huge amounts of grants from the government massive amounts of funding and we don't want to upset our government on this issue and so rather than upset our government let's attack one of our most distinguished alumni let's attack john mack they mu

st answer for that disgrace they must be accountable for that disgrace not as a matter of vengeance but it's a matter of helping to ensure it never happens again yeah i'm really enjoying talking to you steven in detail but to be honest for the rest we're going to have to make it a bit more punchy we're going to have to go to like a bit more quick fire if we can all right let's fire questions yeah i mean obviously let's not go too rapid fire because then we're going to end up finishing like way t

oo early but you know what i'm saying let's let's just kind of i'll try and i'll try and keep us going because there's quite a few and i really want to hear what you've got to say about them um so i guess firstly we've mentioned it quite a few times now the truth embargo the the cover-up you know the secrecy surrounding this whole thing in a nutshell why is there secrecy you know is it just that you know was it just for money was it for control is it because the the whoever's here has some nefar

ious purpose as as tom delong i think says um what is your understanding of the reason for the the truth embargo okay and i know we can talk about that for hours so you ask a question that that probably a couple of hundred books will be written about and then yeah distant future just we could just talk about this one question for hours i know all right here is the shortest response i can give to that okay the best i can do all right the et presence manifests in world war ii for sure there was a

wool war to fight put it off to the side but the government was kind of aware of something was going on without question maybe a little sooner but very tightly contained not a big deal not a problem roswell was a problem roswell got out they put out a press release confirming they had a vehicle in bodies okay that launches the issue in a way that the government had to deal with it but it was 1947 special circumstances the circumstances that existed in 47 could have been anything right there's al

l kinds of possibilities if you want to if you want to go review the history of 10 000 other uh life-supporting planets that got to where we are that the circumstances were all over the place our circumstances were we had just recently dropped the first atomic bombs killing our own people with them there were there was new technology underway being developed both in missiles and and weapons and our national security people knew that the basis for the next war was already underway that's what we

do we wage war that's what we're best at uh that's what we enjoy the most i think general patton made that quite clear and so they knew that the next war was in the making and it was going to be nuclear in other words serious serious problem all right and so and it's at the moment they've got this this craft and the bodies in their hands and the press release has gone out they're also trying to decide and understand where is this going to go in terms of the soviet union the fact that they've got

the nuclear technology they knew that they knew they were going to be testing soon which they did they knew they had missile technology underway because they had german scientists like we did right after the war was over the first thing you're going to do is you're all going to grab a bunch of nazi scientists and get them working on missiles of course you are i mean you know let's face it let's don't get too enlightened t oo quickly here and so they're facing a truly significant national securi

ty existential national security reality and they made a decision which i can't argue too much with that given the enormous uncertainties we're faced let we don't really want and and the fact that we don't know that much about what this is i mean yeah we got a craft and we've got bodies and whatever else we might have gleaned over the previous years but we still don't know really what the hell's going on here uh and so until we do we probably shouldn't be you know make putting this out in the ge

neral public okay plus we don't know the implications that it has for the nuclear arms race which is about to begin and so we're going to classify this we're going to you know would have been better if they had not put out the press release you know but they did damn them to hell that they didn't punish them too i don't nobody really got punished for that they went on to have relatively good careers but so and i and i appre ciate that they weren't vindictive but the point is is that it's a natio

nal security matter until we know what's going on in other words fundamentally it was not an evil thing it was until we have a better understanding where the nuclear race arms race situation where the soviet union is going this has got to be classified plus we also need to try to understand the technology maybe learn intentions of these entities because there's potential weapon possibilities on this technology and so forth and then at some point down the line we will probably inform the people a

bout this reasonable decision that was made 47 4849 solidified in 52 by the robertson panel all right what they didn't know couldn't have known is how bad it was going to get meaning but we didn't have a we didn't have aa world war iii obviously but what we had might have been even worse they could not have imagined that they were on the precipice in 1947 of what would become the cold war that would formerly last from 1947 t o 1991 44 years all right and during that period eventually nine nation

s would become nuclear states that we would build eventually 80 create 86 000 roughly 86 000 nuclear weapons stockpiled and then x number of thousand on ready launch okay that would recreate the past the capacity to destroy all of civilization many times over including the biosphere itself put it on hair trigger notice put those weapons under the ocean in the sky ultimately hoping to put them into orbit and put them on instant launch notice they could not have imagined that and that's exactly wh

at involved from 47 to 91 and so for those 44 years anybody who would raise their hand at the pentagon or the cia or maybe in a meeting with the president and say do you think it's time for the public to know the truth about this et presence and what we've learned and the technology we have or whatever and the answer was going to be no there is simply no way we can do that we cannot predict what that paradigm shift that massi ve worldview change would have the unforeseen consequences on this del

icately balanced mutually sure destruction where at any moment somebody screws up and boom it's over all right so by the time the cold war ends in 91 the truth embargo was fully institutionalized the motivation to maintain it was pretty straightforward and somewhat unjustifiable and vast sums of money we're we're we're used to to to uh to implement it and so the problem after 91 was how to undo that in other words how do you end it it was not easy the first attempt to do that was rockefeller whe

n he when he approached the clinton administration and said let's get the ufo files out and we know how they that went and so that is the explanation of why the truth embargo began why it continued and and and so and so that that history from 47 to 91 is relatively straightforward if i were to talk to somebody that was involved during those age i think their answer would be pretty straightforward why it hasn't ended between 91 and now is a much more complicated answer but it's roughly the same t

hing but it gets a little it becomes less about the fundamental national security risk of revealing it to the public relations problems and difficulties and impact on institutions of of revealing it right it's a different problem that they still haven't solved that's the answer to that great answer good good um so on to the next one um hopefully that will be the longest one of the of the remaining questions because we we got we got to keep going we got a power through i'm used to this my friend

but i'm known for this i'm telling everybody knows this of me uh you know ii don't have short answers to these questions because it's not you know it's not one of those interviews where steve you know did did you finish college yeah i did uh did you get married no never did that's that kind of thing these are these are world view paradigm shifts well what do you think about that and it's like you know it's like asking uh it's you know it's like asking robert e lee well generally why do you think

that why do you think the civil war started robert that's why i can't bear to cut you off so i'm just sitting here just listening to everything just okay because you're right they need to have they need to be done justice to all these questions i know well if we don't make it we'll we'll put some on ice and i'll get you back uh sooner rather than later and we'll continue where we left off i will do i will do 20 interviews with you that's my luck so have no fear one way or another and eventually

you might get get me for aa rapid fire deal where we actually stay within 60 seconds and every it could happen but don't i'll get an egg timer or something you know in the background here um so you've pushed for congressional hearings for years one of your projects had the motto if congress will not do the job the people will and i want to know based on the recent changes with the recent hearing and different things going on in congress and in politics and obviously the media and everything els

e do you think congress will in fact manage to do the job yeah absolutely uh yeah that was a model for the citizen here on disclosure which is a mock congressional hearing held in washington right in other words he won't hold them so here's a mock one right and we filmed it and broadcast it to the world and four five six languages and well and so forth and uh delivered a copy of the whole hearing all thirty hours to every single office blah blah blah i did that and that was in two thousand uh uh

thirteen 14 15 and then we engaged the election that was the my final big push right uh and it it it it could have worked but the election went a different way and the issue got truncated okay which happens right it truncated the issue and so i was kind of in a place i didn't i didn't know what to do so i basically went to the uk you know i just went to the uk to hide and and do some things there all right and while i was the re a major breakthrough occurred and so everything that's happened th

at we're seeing happening is essentially the result of something that took place in 2017 the the build up to it the the creation of it goes back to the 2015 but ultimately it begins and that's that's the beginning that we'll call that the end game the end game of this of this issue starts in 2017. uh it and we are now approaching the end okay and the end game is is this period it begins with the launch of the to the stars academy of arts and science and the 10 people associated with it the actio

ns of that group primarily a couple of people in that group to bring major information to the new york times to leslie kane and blumenthal get the articles published which are the breakthrough articles that we've been waiting for for a long time there have been a lot of significant articles in in without question but none of them compare to those two articles that appeared in the print edition on december 16th and online decemb er 17th and the and online is a non-trivial addendum here because th

at's online new york times but online the new york times is able to put up the actual gun camera footage not a picture of it in print but the gun camera footage on that site which is then spread worldwide and it's been seen probably billions of times the first gun camera footage of uap ever released by any government formally ever in the 75 years not one but three put them up for everybody to see and that is the beginning of the endgame and so eventually which was the plan i'm sure that they had

all along the congress was brought into this they were eventually able to bring they were able to do what everybody prior to that could not do they were able to get to the hill talk to the members get them into it to start taking formal actions and by they i'm referring to two people primarily louis elizondo and christopher mellon which hopefully will eventually get the presidential medals of freedom and maybe a nobel i don't k now but they're the two key players and they succeeded and so start

ing in 2021 the congress finally got formally involved and so since then there's been a whole series of things that have happened generating from the united states congress and it's the only legislative body where that's really happening there's just a tiny little bit happening elsewhere but it's and not surprisingly this was going to be a us the end game was going to be in the united states probably and still probably the case the only re but this all could have taken place sooner this is a non

partisan statement if hillary clinton had won we would have had disclosure in 2017. she didn't and so it's it's preceded but even then it would have not taken this long but starting in 2017 the united states entered a period of uncertainty and chaos unlike anything i've ever seen in my lifetime then but and that was kind of the united states right and so that was not helpful and then the world entered a period of uncertainty and chaos unlike anything i've ever seen in my lifetime and of course i

'm referring to the global pandemic which is a pandemic not the flu it's the worst in history and it's not over and it's it's it's it's it's its effects are catastrophic uh and and ii don't know how it's gonna end but so that happened all right and so the this issue which has been tagging along with everything else all these years is trying to get born and the hospital and the and the maternity you know the the room where you know with the birthing room in the hospital is total chaos people runn

ing around jumping around you know gunfire going off here whatever uh and it's making it hard to finish it to get it done um but that's life history does that to you all the time right you make plans history says screw you right [ __ ] that no way so so that's delayed it and so now the problem that we face and the problem that i'm trying to address with what contribution i can make is how to ensure that this process that got star ted in 2017 finally is culminated with the hearings we have to hav

e in order to get the confirmation from the president all right and so all the all the members of congress that have jumped into this issue gallego warner gillibrand uh rubio carson gallagher gallagher uh and burchette and a few others but those particularly the fact that language has been put into now three consecutive national defense appropriations acts and there's actually been actions from the dod in response to these this legislation setting up task force and whatever all of that which has

never happened before in the public sector the public arena all of that is unprecedented and all of that means that we're headed for disclosure but in order to get disclosure under the in a responsible way it always needed to have be preceded by hearings we needed to have the witness testify in front of the congress under oath so that the world could see this this testimony get this information in that way under oath in order to be sufficiently impressed so the president to create the platform

in which the president could step up and say look there's an extraterrestrial presence here this is the way it needed to be done it always needed to be done this way and so preventing hearings was key to maintaining the truth embargo which is why we couldn't get them year after year after year you couldn't get them i know of at least six instances where we try to get eric's not gonna happen because those that manage this issue knew you cannot have those hearings and one way or another we would b

lock it and they did well now we're we've already had one right and so now the next one is going to be probably aa more significant hearing and it won't take more than a few weeks of those hearings to to lead to disclosure um and what can i say as this is unfolding i mean literally as this is unfolding as as the congress steps in legislation is being passed the stage is being set i'm already planning my disclosure party you know t he announcement has been made i'm i'm doing a zoom with my collea

gues we're all drinking champagne we're in the post-disclosure world the world's been told there's extraterrestrials this is all coming and if that is the time when an aging autocrat a more disturbed human being than i ever realized decides that i'm gonna die pretty soon and therefore what i'm going to do is i'm going to try to become peter the great on the way out and start slaughtering women and children in order to take back part of a country that russia used to have back in the 1930s and lau

nches the ukraine war and believe me as an american i'm i'm how would you say i have to be clear i'm an american and therefore i fully know about the vietnam war and the iraq war and all of the wars that we've been involved in and all the crap that we've done so ii have to couch that statement in other words our hands are not clean okay however this is 2022 all right and so god it's a little late in the game to play that stuff to d o that he pulls this off and so now we have the ukraine war and

some of the most intensive discussions at the at the highest levels from diplomats and others about the use of nuclear weapons that i recall since you know uh uh the cuban missile crisis this is madness this is utter madness and it only supports the fact that we've got to get disclosure done and so the very things that require us to get disclosure done are literally interfering and getting the job done it is a it is one of these little historical paradoxes and so i'm i'm you know look if if we h

ave a nuclear war it doesn't matter it's over all this doesn't matter it's nothing it means nothing history means nothing our hopes and dreams are gone it's done the et's may or may stick around i don't know you know it doesn't really matter and we could have one tomorrow yeah in other words let me put this away ben one of the reasons you get long answers from me is because of how serious this is this is not just another one of thos e topics you know it's interesting or that cover that whatever

no no no this is existential in its most primal way we are literally coming down to a simple decision we will either get disclosure first or we will have a nuclear war first if we have a nuclear war disclosures are relevant if we get disclosure and the world realizes the truth of its place in this universe then there is the possibility that we will take the necessary steps to ensure we don't have that nuclear war so every day that i get up i view what i do as being fundamentally existential to t

he future of the human race i didn't you know i didn't ask for that right i'm not bragging about that that is what it is i can't help it i mean i'm not an activist working on i don't know the a super site problem in oregon or whatever or the fact they want to divert a river i mean these are all important activist projects there's tons of them this particular activism is of a different type right it is bigger than anything i can imagi ne right and and one of my jobs is to constantly get that out

there please people understand that the way it's worked out whether you like it or not is that one we're not alone two we have suppressed that truth and that suppression has made it a little easier to pursue the nuclear uh uh mutual assured destruction modality which now has us living at risk every second of the day we can have a nuclear war tomorrow right and in fact we've almost had a nuclear war on a number of occasions how many people know that how many people know that we came this close to

a nuclear war in a number of occasions because some nuclear officer operating at a in a site facility near moscow made the decision not to launch when he was told to launch or the nuclear supply commander during the cuban missile crisis was told to fire a nuclear torpedo didn't do it how many times do you think we're going to get away with that i've lived my whole life under this damocles sword i don't have any kids ii don't have any really hard any family at all those who do have kids and fami

ly i'm trying to make a point to them every day all right look it all goes away tomorrow make a decision are you going to support getting this truth out or not are you continue to play along with this government gain of mutual assured destruction it's okay we'll have this war we'll have that war we'll invade ukraine we'll go to iraq we'll bomb everybody we want to but it won't lead to a nuclear war because of mutual assured destruction even though nuclear war will almost certainly happen by acci

dent or by an ngo a non-government state operator who hates us and simply launches a bomb or sets off a bomb in washington dc out of vengeance okay which could easily lead to a nuclear war because what do you do when that happens do you know that new york just three days ago out of nowhere launched formally a public service announcement on television reminding people that they need to consider what measures they will take if a nuclear bomb goes off in new york that was actually issued by the new

york government just a few days ago this is what we're dealing with that's why there are no short answers ben this is serious stuff yeah a few weeks ago i was googling that exact thing like what do we do if the worst happens you know like uh gotta get moving but um there was this psa about uh oh so there's a nuclear war right what do you do and this is new york right and it got a lot of press and it's kind of funny and i immediately see i'm i'm currently staying in hollywood i'm working on a pr

oject right and i was thinking what would be the hollywood version of that right uh it would go sort of like this so there's a nuclear war by now you should be on a plane on your way to new zealand to stay in your luxury villa there if not well you're too poor and too stupid to live that would be the hollywood psa version yeah pretty much so that's the thing some people will survive when they some people who survive the nuclear war th e people that can afford to survive the nuclear war but yeah

it's uh it's a terrifying it's a terrifying reality at the moment that we're living it's so terrifying that we we we stopped thinking about it we we we compartmentalized it we've been doing that for my entire life you know ii was born just uh aai was conceived not that many months after the the war ended i was born just a couple of months before roswell so i've lived my entire life under the damocles sword of nuclear potential nuclear war and the truth embargo side by side it's kind of interesti

ng uh to look at ufos and and what uh uap i know you like uap to look at the the kind of nuclear aspect from a different angle what are your thoughts in terms of the connection there because obviously there's lots of reports of of uap kind of buzzing around nuclear sites maybe even kind of interfering with weapons this is a global issue do you because i know there's kind of two parties here some a lot of people would say uh it's just b ecause they have way more sensor systems there that they pic

k up more of these incidents um and because you know or is it the other way around where whatever these uap are are they attracted to our nuclear sites for again some potentially unknown reasons some potentially unfathomable reason but are they for whatever reason attracted to these sites do you have you got a take on it attracted first of all and maybe they are they do this right yeah so you don't believe it's a tool just to do with more sensors there or anything like that you think definitely

absolutely not so i talked about these two issues that are moving forward in time parallel mutual assured destruction the nuclear arms race and all of that which still goes on we're we're in war war cold war ii now and then the reality the et presence there is a key intersection point where these two parallel tracks clearly cross and that is the fact that the most significant thing that extraterrestrials do and they do a lot of things i s they tamper with our nuclear weapons i call it nuclear we

apons temporary logical there's a number of things they do but the most notable is they turn them off they've done it a number of times not maybe they've done it a number of times fact we've got plenty of witnesses to that okay yeah i've had robert salas on this show actually sure uh they've also done it in the soviet union they turned them on this is a much less frequent thing but that's the scariest thing they turn them on meaning suddenly they start going into launch mode but nobody's turned

the key you can imagine being a launch officer down in one of those facilities and suddenly that starts happening and you're thinking man this is not going to look good on my resume and they uh they shine beams down into stockpiles this is the rendersome forest case now this is the most significant thing that ets do on this planet and i have i have no disrespect to anyone who has helped create a hybrid child but i'm just saying that in t erms of in terms of this is this is the because it's not j

ust it's it's obviously a very significant thing right there's got to be a reason for it uh the witnesses have a general consensus of what that reason is the point is that they're doing it okay and that is the key intersection now the it is it is the biggest problem probably the biggest problem that the military intelligence community has faced on this issue why because in terms of managing the truth embargo viewed from that perspective what do you do when sac based officers who have the highest

qualifications in terms of their competence and their abilities their training as well as the security clearances start coming forward which they eventually did and say i was present at the facility when a craft comes down uap hovers over the base scares the hell out of the of the security people and our weapons start turning off sequentially which can't happen what do you do what are you gonna kill them can't do that destroy their reput ation in every case go on social media and ruin them so t

hat nobody will believe them well if you did that you would upset a whole lot of sac based officers and other people in the government which would not take kindly to that and so what they had to do which was vicious is ignore them meaning nothing bob salas doesn't exist who is bob salas who is mike james who is shindel they basically had to totally suppress it particularly because that particular uh phenomena of shutting down the nuclear weapons is just about as ripe a congressional hearing issu

e as you could have in terms of should we have congressional hearings nuclear weapons tampering is at the very top of the list and so you cannot let that have any traction or somebody is going to try to hold the hearing even as we've moved forward they're still staying out of it the air force does nothing right and so when mike gallagher at that first hearing on may 17th deliberately brought up the maelstrom air force thing to cray saying do you know about that he had to say no i think he probab

ly we've heard of rumors didn't he something like that i'm sure he knows about it too early okay and so yeah they've been tapping now so let me put this way the moment you turn on your tv and you see bob salas and any of other his colleagues sitting at a congressional committee table having taken an oath and start answering questions about the nuclear weapons tampering you could pretty much start planning your disclosure party you know who do you want over what do you want to serve as tax and wh

at have you okay because we're really approaching the end right yeah and so uh and and and it's starting to come up more and more in fact i just it was just mentioned in a podcast i just saw bob hastings who deserves enormous credit recognition here for his ground breaking book one of the most important books ever written subject which is ufos and nukes hastings is i think something is he's not well but he's he's hanging in uh just read th at book anybody who any journalist who reads that book a

nd doesn't say i'm diving into this issue full boar is basically not a journalist go do something else i hope that bob is going to be able to testify they did the book they did the documentary they've done two press conferences in washington dc they still they couldn't get hearings but that's about to change hastings is about to become much better known the book is getting better known and and so i think what i'm trying to say here is you brought it up is the nuclear weapons tampering which is t

he intersection between these two massive historical threats the the desire of the human race to have that nuclear war and the the existence of ets and what they're doing which crosses there is going to be the centerpiece and the key to the congressional hearings ultimately succeeding in getting the president to confirm the extraterrestrial presence and that's all coming possibly could be coming within weeks and months so i'm optimistic abo ut that yeah that would be that would change the game t

o have that talked about in the in the public sphere oh and one of the things these people yeah the consensus based upon all the years that these nuclear sac based officers have have thought about it also including a lot of reports that have come in from contactees who are provided information and so forth while they're on the craft and what have you the consensus has developed i think well and i i tend to agree with it the turning off of the nuclear weapons is not a threat it is a message okay

that you're gonna have to get rid of these not only for your own good but undoubtedly because of what our intentions are that there is a message here you must get rid of these weapons uh i believe that is the case and i hope that i hope that that comes up at these hearings right why do they do this that is the most important question that we need to answer to ourselves or one day learn from them why did you do that uh i think i know the answ er hopefully we'll find out for sure but ii can't i ca

n't spend too much time i said no i can't spend too much time uh letting people know about this particular thing they turn our nuclear weapons off that needs to be known worldwide and it's starting to get known to lead me it's spreading fast you know the the the tic tac video is all fine and dandy and how these crap move and how special they are it's all fine that's basically this you know cool tech turning off the nuclear weapons cuts to the core of the whole damn engagement of us and and what

is likely to happen next nothing is more significant than that and nothing needs it calls out for more attention than that yeah no i agree and it's going to be fascinating see how it unfolds um just to ask you either kind of probably a penultimate question for today because i know you've got to get going soon um luis elizondo who you mentioned a little bit earlier um most people listening to this again i know exactly who he is once famously s aid that if everybody knew what he knew then the sent

iment would be in one word somber and obviously there's been so much discussion about this and everybody trying to pick it apart if i asked the same question to you and said if everybody knew everything that you knew because i'm sure you know things that you can't share freely and things like that if everybody knew everything that you knew about this phenomena what word would you use to describe the reaction look first of all the things that i know they can't i can't say is this it's tiny the th

ings that lou elizondo knows and can't say is like this okay you know what i'm saying here yeah i understand you haven't had the same kind of a very different situation okay um yeah this is worth mentioning look one of the problems that that lou was the challenges that lewis faced it faced since he started was that all the things he can't talk about but yet there he is he wasn't supposed to be out in the public sector like this for these years having to do endless podcasts because this whole thi

ng was supposed to happen fast it was supposed to be one and done all right but it didn't work out that way and so now there he is he stretched out and he get he's asked all he can so it's tough on him because he can't go there and of course that just opens the door for all kinds of criticism and he's been pounded right he's been trolled he's been pounded it's not been fun and one of the principal reasons is is because there's things he can't say and he wants to he's basically a truth teller he

just wants to say it but he can't and so he's having to walk this line it's not it's not easy look somber hey look knowing that they're that we're not alone in the universe knowing there's an extraterrestrial presence yeah i think the appropriate response is somber that's pretty profound pretty important the world's going to change right uh it would be foolish for him to say boy when you knew what i knew you'd be partying and dancing in the st reet and doing all kinds it would be stupid things s

ome people might but of course something like that raises the issue boy are you going to be he he could have said this he could have said if you knew what i knew you would be scared you'd be excited you'd be all of us yeah yeah hey this is a podcast scared shitless um that would be something else now wouldn't it uh yeah all i can yeah so i've said this many times we're going to learn that there's an extraterrestrial presence you're going to learn some things that are going to just amaze you exci

te you and and stimulate you and it's going to be great but you're also going to learn some things are going to trouble you greatly and what is new about that okay what is new about that is that not the history of the human race we learn and we learn some more and we learn some stuff and you go oh that's fantastic oh wow the implications of that right uh hey the world is what it is and so yeah we're going to learn some things that we're going t o i think are fantastic and things are going to tro

uble us and we'll deal with that the problem is we can't deal with it because the government says there's no there there in other words the government is basically saying whatever it is we can deal with it we can handle it but you don't need to know about it no because you see we have a we have a certain i don't know a certain resilience and capacity to to deal with change that just genetically we have it and that's why we're working at the pentagon or something and and that's where we can deal

with this but you poor slobs out there all eight billion of you you'll just crumble you'll fall apart well that kind of arrogance needs to go all right uh in fact i would make the case and this is a good place to end but one of the things i've learned in 26 years is that the people who can't handle the truth is not the citizens of this world the people who can't handle the truth are the governments the governing people of this world they have no t handled this truth well they've handled it badly

in so many ways and there is the irony of that we can't tell you because we you can't handle the truth when in fact we can handle it just fine you can't handle it you see that that's that's kind of fun i mean i'll be feasting on that that that little paradox or irony uh and so it comes down to this the world is what it is and all 8 billion of us need to know what it is all right and any government that says no you don't need to know or we we're going to tell you something differently or we're j

ust going to hide it from you get out of government do something else go i don't know become a professional fisherman but don't govern don't even aspire to govern right we don't want you there's eight billion of us and just a few of you and we don't want the few of you telling us what we can handle or not handle or telling us that what what is not true is a lie or what is a lie is true forget it we don't want that anymore and you're seeing a rebe llion of that worldwide you're seeing a constant

pushback across nations and continents to these governments and entities that are playing that game and we're getting really angry about it and it's creating a lot of chaos and false gods and grues and everything else and we don't need that either we just need the truth about all things and if you can't do that get the hell out of of government get the hell out of leadership don't ascribe to lead anybody don't run for any office don't sign up for any military service go just be a civilian but if

you're going to be a public service and you can't tell us the truth you've made a very bad career decision and and the job of the activists and and and then activists to come is to get that point across with vigor all right and to and to educate the people if you want truth-telling people managing your government and serving you then that's what you have to demand and you cannot accept less all right and that's my job to some degree and i'm looki ng for more people to join in on this and they w

ill and we will get the truth and i believe once we get the truth about the et presence the list of truths we're going to start getting after that is going to be formidable it will be pretty amazing uh in other words we're going to era enter the truth era where telling the truth becomes the thing meaning what truth can i tell tomorrow because boy i said a truth last week you wouldn't believe the emails i got you wouldn't believe the praise i received and everybody hated me before when i was lyin

g through my teeth all the time and now i'm telling the truth and they love me we're gonna it's gonna become a thing let's hope the other side of it where everybody's like oh wow so this was true all along so what else could be true yeah people that know the truths are going yeah let's tell some more right yeah the thing when you tell the truth people love you when you lie to them they hate you so let's tell the truth once that gets rolling you see where that can go yeah it's you're pretty cool

i'm hoping to live long enough to see that then and uh and i look forward to coming back and talking to you about uh all the the developments that are going to be happening in the next few months and there's going to be some pretty important things i look forward to it too and like i said i've got a bunch of questions that came from reddit and different social medias that i need to put to you so we're going to do that soon is there any uh brief last words you want to leave with anybody watching

or listening now no go to paradigm research group.org that's my site you can see what i do in the description and uh particularly go to the resources and find the print media archive if you want to get caught up because you're kind of behind a little bit there's 13 000 articles there just read the thousand or so in the last couple of years and you'll be up to speed just like that the amount of press coverage is rather formidable it's amazing there' s plenty there the press is really covering it

and you can literally read about everything that's happened and that will start to give you a picture of how things are going and it's it's actually pretty optimistic and that's why i created that print media archive so i invite people to utilize it perfect scroll down for that link thank you very much steve i wish you all the best this was this was great yeah ben look forward to seeing you again soon thanks for listening to my conversation with steve bassett i hope you enjoyed it to learn more

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