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It seems like in most alien invasions of Earth in scifi the invaders have pretty dumb reasons
for invading, but does that mean Earth is safe because there are no good reasons to invade us, or
just that we’re not being sufficiently creative? Welcome back to our Alien Civilizations
series here on Science & Futurism with Isaac Arthur for another Sci-fi Sunday on
SFIA, and I am your aforementioned host, Isaac Arthur. On our Scifi Sunday episodes, we
try to
relax our scientific rigor and try to look at concepts in science fiction and see
how realistic they are, or for that matter, how unrealistic they are, and when it comes to
alien invasions of Earth, there are sort of a champion of unrealistic sci-fi, right up there
with fighting giant monstrous Kaiju in equally giant robot mecha or fighting off zombie hoards,
both of which are often alien invasion scenarios too. The invasions often seem dumb. Both how they
happen and why they are done in th
e first place. The motivations and goals for the aliens to invade
often seem incredibly stupid and when it comes to tactics and strategy during the invasion they
often seem to ignore the First Rule of Warfare, and indeed, so too do the defenders.
So, I thought we’d spend today discussing the dumbest alien invasions of fiction, and why
they’re strategically and scientifically flawed, as well as some examples of better reasons
and methods. So, grab a drink and a snack, smash thoses like and su
bscribe
buttons, and let’s get started! Now we need to acknowledge from the outset that
the reasons for most alien invasions are actually just to set up the plot of a film and frequently
the writers care about the motivations for the invasions only to the degree needed to allow
the audience to suspend disbelief for the story. And there are tons of excellent movies that are
guilty of this, for instance my own favorite film, Blade Runner, is all about a man chasing after
rogue android equiva
lents and it rather ignores that there’s no reason you wouldn’t have
installed a tracking chip into them in the first place to avoid this and contemplate
obvious contingencies for how that might fail. This applies to artificial intelligence films too,
machine rebellions, which are often near-identical to alien invasion films. We don’t really
worry too much about why the AI rebelled, why that wasn’t foreseen in advance, or why it
wants us all dead now. Of course those stories often are desig
ned to show a failing in mankind,
how we brought it on our own heads and must learn to do better in the future. Which takes us to
our first example of stupid reasons to invade: #1 Divine Judgment
At least as far back as the film the Day the Earth Stood Still we get examples of aliens
appearing to chastise us for our violent ways. Or even threatening to invade if we don’t learn to
be more peaceful. Humanity is warlike and a threat to itself and eventually a peaceful galaxy, so
we’re going to
invade Earth preemptively. Now this isn’t really a dumb reason to invade, just kinda
hypocritical, which doesn’t make it implausible. The flaw is that it is assuming any species is
likely to claw its way up Darwin’s Ladder without being fairly good at violence and that we would
be exceptional in this regard. It would seem more reasonable to assume nearly every civilization
that invents rockets to get to space also thought about how handy they were for dropping bombs on
their enemies, and p
eaceful civilizaitons come about with reason and experience because war
is expensive on resources, lives, and sanity, civilizations that value those will tend to
prefer to avoid wars when reasonably possible. So the aliens might show up to make us more
peaceful, but probably just by saying “Hey, it’s great to meet you guys, welcome to the galactic
stage. Our philosophy is that it’s good to own enormous space cannons and be experts in their
use, but basically never need to use them in favor
of peaceful reasoned arbitration and friendship.
We figured you might want some help at achieving the latter before you achieved the former,
rather than the other way around.” And we’d probably reply that we were open to that though
promise nothing since we don't really know these strangers from afar yet. And the same pretty much
applies to the reboot version of that film with Keanu Reeves where it's all about our environment
and how badly we treat it, only there the aliens wreck our power
grid rather than just offering
us the technologies and techniques they have for cleaner power production and overall living.
This is because these stories are just using the aliens as Divine Judgment, and the plot isn’t
about them fixing the problem it's about humanity getting what its got coming to it - in the
writer’s opinion anyway - or narrowly avoiding that doom as the entity is merciful and grants
a stay of execution or outright forgiveness. Obviously if a real civilization acted that
way
they’d be open to getting called out for that sort of behavior but they might not care. We
also need to keep in mind that clever players don’t show all their cards or pieces and display
the ones they do with the intent of having you draw a false conclusion. That is the first rule of
Warfare after all, “If the Enemy appears to being doing something incredibly stupid or illogical,
assume there is a good chance they aren’t”. An invader has no requirement to explain
their motivations nor t
o be honest if they do, and blaming the folks you’re invading
is a common approach historically. Nonetheless, invading another world for the
purpose of punishing or reforming its citizens might seem like a dumb reason for doing it, but
unlike most of examples today, it is one that’s in the eye of the beholder as opposed to simply
illogical as a strategy. The galaxy isn’t likely to offer us black and white cases of morality
either, they may invade other worlds to eliminate competition becaus
e they are morally opposed
to genocide of intelligent entities or wiping out unique ecosystems or both. So they conquer
or quarantine rather than eliminate. They might have ethics, just not enough of them in certain
regards, humanity’s history certainly shows the frequency of that too. Or it might be seen as
a lesser evil in the pursuit of a nobler goal, maybe they need our world as a strategic
outpost or burn it to deny it to a voracious galaxy wide threat. They have reasons that make
sen
se, but amount to us as collateral damage. Admittedly, many of the individual
reasons in scifi aren’t that great, like Thanos in the MCU wanting to eliminate
half the population of the Universe to deal with overpopulation. In the original
comics he’s just a death-obsessed nihilist, and maybe in future films this will turnout to be
some strategy for dealing with Celestials hatching out of inhabited planets. However, just killing
half the people to deal with overpopulation then blowing up the
stones so no one can undo it, or
redo it a couple generations later if the problem reoccurs, is rather dumb, as tons of videos
on youtube have explained in detail already. What isn’t dumb though was Thanos invading
Earth. Virtually every Infinity Stone was either on Earth or had some Earth-involved or
originated character handling it, so out of all the trillions of planets out there, conquering
or pulverizing Earth was definitely a good idea, even if it was to advance a goal that made
pre
cious little sense. You invade Earth because Earth seems to have some precious resource
unique to it, or atypically abundant to it, which takes us to our next category.
#2 - There’s gold in them there Earth Hills! Picking on L. Ron Hubbard’s Battlefield Earth,
either the 1982 novel or the 2000 film starring John Travolta, is like shooting fish out of a
cannon barrel, as both provide a lot of cannon fodder for criticism, but in that film, we see an
alien race that invades Earth because they
want our gold. Unfortunately for them, they come from
a world whose atmospheric content is so volatile to radiation that it explodes when exposed to
even elevated Earth Background radiation and eventually, they are defeated when a nuclear
bomb is teleported to their homeworld and the whole planet explodes from the radiation released
from the explosion. The book handles this better than the film but both have this plot point.
There’s a lot of criticism to make against the plot and details in
Battlefield Earth.
For one thing, there should be no planets without background radiation, so even if
there was a chemical that could explode that violently when exposed to radiation, it
shouldn’t be naturally occurring in quantity on any world. That ending would have worked
a lot better if they instead wanted uranium, which is even more rare than gold in our solar
system, especially enriched uranium, and if someone slipped a nuclear bomb into the uranium
mining shipments back to their vau
lts on their homeworld it would be a little more plausible that
it might have blown up their whole planet. Uranium is actually a lot more abundant in Earth’s crust
than gold too, and decays on geological timelines, so we might plausibly imagine aliens having
little left on their ancient homeworld, and they therefore view Earth as a nice source of it.
However, my objection isn’t to them wanting gold rather than uranium or any other material. There
are a number of materials that are scarce and
valuable, and there’s nothing implausible about
aliens willing to go to war for them. Many might be more valuable than gold to a technological
civilization, or at least as valuable, but gold has more value than simply as jewelry
or shiny coins. It just wouldn’t seem Earth would contain something unique, like those
Infinity Stones from the MCU, natural elements and minerals should be fairly universal
if not necessarily homogeneously spread. Still, there’s nothing implausible
about aliens s
eizing resources by force, or us losing that fight against some ancient
interstellar empire, able to draw on vast resources and technologies. That’s the first rule
of warfare after all: Might doesn’t make right, but it sure is handy for winning arguments.
Rather, my objection is to the notion that you would invade Earth, or any other populated planet,
in order to harvest those materials, and that this would involve any need for ground warfare.
Earth has one of the largest stockpiles of gold
in the solar system, probably coming in sixth
place after the Sun and the various gas giants, who collectively, probably have tens of thousands
of times more of everything that Earth has, but even if harvesting it on solid ground is
preferable, why would anyone come to Earth first. In all the arguments over whether or
not Pluto is a planet or not, or rather, whether it should be counted as an equal to one
of the 8 major planets of our solar system. People tend to forget that there are milli
ons of actual
minor planets in the solar system, not 8 or 9. When we discovered a ton of other smaller
and distant icy dwarfs, we had to add another category: Dwarf Planets; and of those, Pluto is
not the largest, and whether or not we should have kept things classified they way they were,
and just added another dozen or so planets to the major category, or not, it doesn’t change that
there are still a lot of minor planets, be they in the asteroid belt or moons or trojans or comets
or scat
tered disc objects, or in the Kuiper Belt or Oort Cloud. And if you’ve got interplanetary
or interstellar travel, every single one of them is a lot cheaper to mine than Earth is.
So, it isn’t that Earth doesn’t have resources, it's that it is one the last places you would
come to get them. It would just be so much easier to mine an asteroid, as opposed to hauling
matter up through Earth’s atmosphere and enormous gravity well, even ignoring that most of those
resources are deep down in our c
rust and mantle. Still, rocky inner planets will tend to
be higher in density of heavier elements, as the closer to your Sun you are, the more
likely that a lot of the hydrogen and helium, and even oxygen - the three most abundant elements
in the Universe - will have been blown away. Of course, another mistake the aliens of
Battlefield Earth made - in the film at least - was using humans as slave labor for mining
our remaining gold, and using a high-tech teaching device to dump knowledge di
rectly into the head
of one of those humans. This violates the First Rule of Warfare: Keep your secrets secret.
Never give your enemy an all-access pass or library card to your vaults and technologies.
And we’ll give the book version of Battlefield Earth a point for having the alien invaders
be from an empire whose chief species guard their core mathematics and science of
teleportation so vigorously that they even have brain implants to make them homicidally
attack anyone who inquires, in o
rder to maintain their monopoly on that technology.
#3 - There’s water in them there oceans Now, gold might be an iffy resource for an alien
empire to give preeminence over all others, but it sure has a claim on being rare and will generally
be more abundant in rocky inner planets than, say, icy comets. One material that certainly isn’t
more common on Earth than in icy comets is ice and water. Earth certainly has a lot of it, and
conveniently, it’s up on the surface for easy access too, comp
ared to all those heavy
metals in the core, it’s much easier to harvest. Nonetheless, the only places in our solar
system where water is rare are The Sun, our Moon, Mercury, and Venus. Even Mars has a decent amount,
and while water is probably hard to come by in the Inner regions of our Asteroid Belt, out past
that, ice is incredibly common. Indeed, water, being composed of hydrogen and oxygen, the first
and third most abundant elements in the Universe, is all over the place. Proportionally
,
Earth is actually rather low on it compared to most other bodies in the solar system.
So, if there’s any substance you wouldn’t bother invading Earth for, it’s water, yet this is
what happens in the 2013 Film Oblivion, where the alien invaders are mining Earth for its oceans.
Somewhat amusingly, they were first encountered near Saturn, whose famous rings are made of
giant floating icebergs, but more importantly, they want the water for fusion reactors, and
only about 10% of water is made
of hydrogen, the easiest element for fusion, which is also one
of the most abundant materials in the Universe and on the Planet of Saturn, which has many thousands
of times more hydrogen than Earth does. It is a reminder though, that even fiction that messes
up its science can still be fun to watch or read, and critical failures in science are common in
even the greatest science fiction classics. Indeed, we even see it with scarcity of water
in Frank Herbert’s legendary Dune series, where,
for some reason, a civilization with casual access
to cheap orbital spaceflight and levitation, seems to be unable to supply water
to the planet Dune and nobody seems to really grasp how to make water-efficient
greenhouses or concrete-lined reservoirs. This isn’t as bad as the alien invaders of
the 2002 film: Signs, starring Mel Gibson, where it turns out the aliens are as water-soluble
as the Wicked Witch of the West from the Wizard of Oz. That’s another example of how films
often lack ke
y things that the books have, as in L. Frank Baum’s original novel: The Wizard
of Oz, the Wicked Witch carries an umbrella, rather than a broomstick, far more indicative and
appropriate given her hydrophobic nature. Now that book was written in the year 1900, long before
we knew water was hyperabundant in the Universe, and it was written as a children's novel, so
it's a lot easier to forgive the enemy being deadly allergic to something as common as water.
Granted, The Wizard of Oz was never
meant to be a tale of space travel anyway. We also see
it in the film: Day of the Triffids, where carnivorous plants invade Earth but are killed
by seawater. Though to be fair, many plants are. Deciding to invade a planet that is literally
covered in vast, deep pools of a substance that kills you is still a violation of the First
Rule of Warfare: Avoid fighting battles in places where your enemy has a decisive advantage.
This means you don’t invade planets that are toxic to you unless you
have to, and even then, you
make darned sure your troops are well-equipped for it. You don’t get in a fist fight with a
fully-equipped fireman inside a burning house, and you don’t invade the Planet of the Lava
People if your species has gasoline for blood. You also probably don’t want to be
keeping them for personal slaves either. Which takes us to our next one.
#4 - There’s value in them there humans A reason sometimes given in fiction for why an
alien armada bothers sending in grounds tr
oops for us to have firefights with or air-capable vessels
for our fighter jets to dogfight with, rather than just bombarding us from orbit, is that they want
the planet intact so they can enslave humanity. Now, many might imagine an alien would be as
afraid of using robots and artificial intelligence as we are, however, we are afraid of that because
we think AI might rebel and kill us. It would seem that if an alien wanted to avoid using robots
because they feared they might one day break
their programming and violently rebel, then enslaving a
naturally intelligent, rebellious, and aggressive species that rose to the top of its planetary
ecosystem by being inventive and ruthless, and often inventively ruthless, would not be a smart
strategy. At least the robots don’t start off wanting you dead and practiced at killing things.
Also, the only reason you would ever want intelligent slaves, as opposed to dumb automated
factory robots, is for their inventinveness and adaptability,
and for handling technology
themselves, with training. Which presumably means your technology, which violates the first
rule of warfare: Never hand someone a loaded gun unless you’re sure who they’ll point at it, and
this is even more true if you do know who they will point it at and that’s you.
We don’t want to fool ourselves, an interstellar civilization capable of reaching
our planet with military force is one that could easily obliterate us, currently. The sorts of
weapons that would
qualify as entry-level on any ship able to obtain interstellar speeds for
a large vessel and protect it from relativistic collisions with space debris are very potent.
Imagine a machine gun that fired nuclear bombs. That’s essentially the weak end of the spectrum.
And not for some goliath mothership that shadows cities below, let alone entire planets. Rather,
we would imagine that sort of armament on something more modest like a lone frigate or
destroyer, or even a non-military freighter. T
he dynamic shifts if, for some reason, they want
to conquer us, because it's sort of inevitable you get a two-way flow of technology. Folks
tend to wildly over-estimate how mysterious advanced technology is to those who don’t
know its inner workings, even just seeing how a piece of technology functions will tend
to lay an easy path to replicating it. So, some alien occupation force hanging around here for
generations would likely see us mastering their technology before long. Defending or r
evolting
forces can often do unexpectedly well, and it’s often because the other side is constrained with
where and when it feels it can use overwhelming force. If the answer is everywhere and always,
then there is no reason not to scorch the whole planet and avoid the whole invasion. They may have
practical or ethical reasons for doing otherwise, and again conquest oriented doesn’t necessarily
mean universally unethical or casually genocidal. So, conquest to use humans, or some other smart
alien critters, is a lot more likely to fail in the long term, compared to just nuking the planet
till it glows, or sending in wave after wave of self-replicating murder bots. Alternatively, much
dumber bots will do virtually every task you could need, and would represent a much smaller rebellion
risk. And if you need talented minds, you can just breed and raise more of your own, though your own
kids might be just as likely to be rebellious as aliens. Indeed aliens might be more cooperativ
e
and respectful in some cases. Heck, you can set up shop in orbit and start a recruiting campaign,
why enslave people if you can just hire them. Aliens may not view converting a
civilization as all that tricky, they may view converting a more primitive
civilization to be staunch allies a desirable goal, and they may be masters of psychology and
brainwashing too. Of course enormous space guns can make a great sales pitch. That’s the First
Rule of Warfare after all, the persuasiveness of yo
ur argument is directly proportional to how
much firepower you have to argue your case. The nature of interstellar travel and non-FTL
time lags tend to ensure that any interstellar empire is likely to be used-to huge genetic and
cultural divergence between its own colonies and might not particularly view a conquered
alien race any differently. That’s often been true of human conquest, and historically,
big empires, for all their many other failings, frequently are a lot more cosmopolitan. T
hey don’t
need to keep us around as slaves for labor, but they might be prone to conquering civilizations
and absorbing them, as opposed to wiping them out. The invading admiral or general might be
from a conquered world themself and yet a true believer in their cause. Neighbors in the long
term can be threats, as can vassals, obviously, but while the latter has more reason to become an
enemy if you mistreat them, they’re easy to keep an eye on and intervene early with. If you think
you’re
good rulers, a well-treated vassal might seem a safer bet then a sovereign neighbor.
They also might value our perspectives. It's a weird idea for us at the moment, but there
probably is a real limit on technological progress. We are predisposed to think of science
as some ever-expanding art with new mysteries all the time, but this is mostly poetic. There’s no
real indication that the Universe has infinite rules, quite to the contrary, and speaking as a
physicist, while we make new discove
ries all the time, our understanding of the core fundamental
physical laws haven’t changed much in nearly a century. It is entirely plausible that we’ll
have finished figuring out the core physical laws of the Universe in another century or two
and be hitting a point of diminishing returns on scientific progress within a millenia, which,
barring faster than light/FTL travel, is about as soon as we could plausibly expect to reach
any planets with other past or present native civilizations ev
en under the most optimistic
models for how often intelligent life may occur. It seems almost heretical to predict an end to
new science but if there is one it’s probably not too far off in the future, in galactic
timelines. Odds are good aliens have basically maxed out their physics and production technology
before ever meeting another alien civilization. So, you’re probably not looking for new worlds
for new core physical science - but for biology, geology, psychology, and so on, there’s
likely
to be a lot of new material for those fields, which we’ll return to in a minute. Rather, if
science is fairly maxed-out in your civilization, that strongly implies you are very skilled
with automation and very good at generating power and using resources efficiently. So to your
civilization a worker is probably someone in the arts and entertainment, robots do the rest
and very well, and so that’s the workforce you’re seeking to enslave or convert when you
invade an alien world. The
rich hoard you want from them is likely to be all their literature,
films and games, and the folks who make them, and that doesn’t really imply a need for
conquest, let alone hyper-violent conquest, and is certainly not benefited by wiping new
aliens out. Though it raises the question why you don’t just trade for those resources, given that
you can make copies of great works, especially digital ones. Though a bullet is cheaper than a
gold coin, especially given that you might not need to fi
re the bullet, just threaten to do so.
One of the key things that aliens probably would value about new planets is their native biology,
intelligent or dumb, animal, vegetable, fungi, whatever. Probably not for cuisine though.
As another example of awesome classic sci-fi that also has a very flawed premise, the 1959
Twilight Zone episode “To Serve Man” is one of many stories where it turns out that aliens like
to dine on humans. This can overlap a lot with the vampire genre of fiction, espec
ially the more
consumptive style of vampires who eat people, not just look pretty and drink blood without much mess
or lethality. Or it can be more of a Matrix-style predation where the conquerors use humans as
batteries. Though, the 2009 sci fi horror film: Daybreakers, does both, with vampires who keep
humanity in matrix-style farms for their blood. As a genre, aliens eating humans is usually sci-fi
horror or comedy. Peter Jackson, who gave us the Lord of the Rings movie adaptations, actu
ally had
his directorial debut in a low-budget film “Bad Taste” in 1987 where aliens massacre a New Zealand
town for an intergalactic fast food company. It’s definitely a popular topic for sci-fi but
realistically, this an awful reason to invade. Even if aliens didn’t have ethical issues eating
intelligent critters - raising them for food is insanely uneconomical. You want fast-maturing
animals for livestock, because a pig you feed grain to every day for half a year to slaughter
at around
100 kilograms is going to be preferable to a human you have to feed dozens of times
more food over many years for the same meat. That also leaves out cloning, synthetic meat,
the whole issue of alien biocompatibility, and any presumption of ethics
inside your own civilization. That’s a lot of ifs in order to achieve a
goal that is essentially evil for evil’s own mustache-twirling sake. It also ignores fear of
your neighbors attacking you for pointlessly evil behavior, space is big and three
-dimensional,
so, the longer you’re around and the wider you spread your tentacles, the more likely
you are to encounter someone who finds your behavior loathsome and has the guns and
willpower to encourage you to change your mind. That’s the first rule of warfare, avoid recruiting
for the enemy. It is much easier to imagine civilizations hurling vast armadas across the
galaxy, even at absurd cost, in order to wipe out a civilization that enjoys farming intelligent
creatures to eat, even a
t absurd cost, than it is to imagine such a civilization actually existing.
With that in mind, it is much easier to imagine that if by some quirk, a civilization found
itself literally preying on another out of need, like the Wraith from Stargate Atlantis, that such
a civilization would expend vast efforts to curing that need and hiding that they ever had it. For
the ethical, it is a cause for war and invasion, for the unethical, it is a jugular vein
to exploit, one they can use to drain yo
u of life just as a vampire would and as
your vampiric species does to its prey. For the Wraith, or for examples like Galactus,
Eater of Worlds, from Marvel comics, it is usually said or implied that there’s some quantity of life
energy or even, if they need to eat humans only, that they’re eating souls. Science doesn’t seem
to indicate those quantities are physically available but we don’t know, and we can’t rule
out an alien race believing that was true, whether it was or wasn’t. So, simi
larly, we can’t
rule out something preying on us for that. I don’t recall seeing anyone doing a story on it,
but you could probably explicitly write up an alien AI race that was able to measure and harvest
souls but be unable to produce them artificially, so they basically had to prey on civilizations
that way to reproduce. That’s definitely something I’d think of more as a plot device in fiction than
something realistic or plausible, but the Universe might surprise us that way, and we exam
ined those
concepts more in our episode: Gods & Monsters. And for that matter, the invasion of the
Earth’s territory in the Babylon 5 Franchise by the ancient and powerful Minbari only came
to a halt when they realized that they were killing themselves. They believe there are only
so many souls being reborn to repopulate their species when one of them dies, and that
they had seen a drop off in recent years, and discovered they were being reborn as
humans and stopped the war. Stealing souls
is scientifically based in that setting too. I
could see that going the other way around, where you wipe out a world because you think they’re
stealing your souls or maybe you’ve become so unnatural in your advanced technology you aren't
born with them properly and need to harvest them from primitive worlds. I’d doubt it but we should
be mindful that there may be unknown aspects to reality we have yet to discover that would
seriously alter our equations for invasions. A recurring theme in
a lot of alien invasion
sci-fi is that it is really just a plot device to have humans fighting aliens, and usually,
they’re pretty thin on contemplation. Like with the Minbari, they ran into an Earth
Scout Fleet, crippled them with scanning technology and appeared hostile, and when that
scout fleet fired on them and fled, killing a great leader of theirs, they declared a war of
genocide. The prequel film, In the Beginning, which sought to put some light on that war, really
did the franchis
e disservice in my opinion. Before that film the war was always portrayed as an
unfortunate but reasonable mistake by a mostly noble if sometimes overly proud civilization,
which described the Minbari and humans alike, but the film makes it seem like the
Minbari are vicious, unreasonable lunatics. Often it’s better to leave some stories
untold as they crumble on examination. That’s maybe why we haven’t been conquered,
there really aren’t any good reasons to do so. Of course, sometimes it’s
on accident, like
the original portrayal of the Earth-Minbari War. Orson Scott Card’s classic: Ender’s Game, and
its various sequels and prequels, introduce us to an alien hive mind race that unintentionally
invades and murders millions of humans because it doesn’t realize we’re individuals, as opposed
to minor components of a hive mind. Great story, but it really falls apart on examination because,
even if you accept the notion that they didn’t view killing humans as any bigger deal than
trimming our hair or nails, which I should point out are themselves dead cells already, you don’t
encounter obvious signs of technology - including spaceships and clearly visible cities with
light and power and just start poking around, disassembling stuff assuming it has no value,
or no one who values it. And you certainly don’t send a second follow-up invasion, like they
did, and pretend your space fleet dueling with another space fleet leaves you any reason to think
you’re not attacking
another intelligent agency, and hurting it, and trying to take its stuff.
And if that really is something you think is unethical and don’t want to do, some more planning
and foresight is probably a good idea in your exploration efforts, in order to avoid engaging
in atrocities and starting wars with people who now are passionately devoted to wanting you dead.
After all, that’s the first rule of warfare: Pick your Battles wisely. Be smart enough not to start
stupid fights, which neither side
really wants. We also have to keep in mind that while we
think of space as dark, it isn’t. There’s no night in space, not many shadows, it isn’t
easy to hide. Stealth in space is hard, maybe even impossible, especially for conducting
entire wars, not just hiding one ship or missile. Folks who’ve been around for millions of years
in our galaxy, which was itself billions of years old before our planet even formed, did not
just find out humanity existed. Our biosignatures as an inhabited plane
t were astronomically visible
long before humanity discovered fire, let alone radio waves, and signs of intelligence like fire,
are visible from orbit and have been for a long time. Nobody is just showing up now, because they
just found out we exist, unless they are new too, and if they are, they have every reason to suspect
that the simple fact, both they and we exist alive and unconquered in such an ancient galaxy, means
somebody else predates us both and doesn’t approve of conquest, as t
hey haven’t done it themselves.
And even if not in this galaxy, the Universe is a big place and eventually you are going to be
seen acting hostile to your neighbors, and unless you want to gamble that there was no one else
before you, which is really unlikely if you’ve got primitive neighbors close enough to want to
conquer, then you have to assume you are being watched by others who both don’t approve of your
activities and could be in a position to swing by to tell you so. And you really,
really don’t want
that. That’s the first rule of warfare after all, don’t start fights with anyone bigger than
you, or even the same size if you can help it. So the reality is, I’ve just never heard a
convincing reason for invading an alien planet, and hopefully that means that there isn’t one, rather than us just not having thought one
up yet. I’d hate to find out that there is a good one by having an alien armada
showing up to explain it in person. So it's time again for our Audible Audi
obook of
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of an invasion of Earth in an action packed, immersive, and epic space opera setting that
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You really should sell a poster with "Isaac Arthur's Rules of Warfare", listing every rule of warfare you've mentioned over the years, handily listed in numeric order from 1 to 1.
Another possible reason to invade Earth: to stop humanity's unending redefinition of the first rule of warfare.
Sir, how many first rules of warfare do you want this episode? Isaac: Yes.
Take a shot everytime Arthur says "That's the first rule of warfare". preferably non-alcoholic drinks.
"Enslaving a smart, aggressive, predator that is known for being inventive, ruthless, and often inventively ruthless is not a good idea." I laughed at this for at least 5 mins. Might be one of his best lines.
The most realistic alien invasion I can't think off is a group of a few billion alien teenagers who think invading and opressing a less advanced civilization would be funny. Teenagers being jerks is an universal constant.
One thing I like about Halo is that it's brutally realistic in the sense that the Covenant, by and large, just orbitally bombarded most human worlds without invading. Most 'battles' during the human covenant war were over once the Covenant gained control of the local space, because then they'd just proceed to glass the planets.
On eating humans: One of Niven's Tales of the Draco Tavern stories hit this topic. The aliens by no means needed human meat, but they liked variety. And they got genetic samples as part of clearing the human diplomatic team for landing on their planet. Very civilized about it, offered to pay them royalties for each copy (they promised to not grow heads on the meat animals), and pointed out that they could either be rich from taking the royalty money or somebody would leak the data onto the black market and it would happen anyway.
The formics in Enders Game had their reasoning expanded in the prequels. In the first invasion they assumed earth had unimportant/unintelligent life forms, like the previous 100 worlds that they had discovered and colonized, until we fought back. It probably would have been a good idea to spy on the planet before trying to take it over just to be sure, but with such a long history of not finding other intelligent life, they assumed that they were the only intelligent life. When they invaded the second time they were looking for the intelligent caste of humans by yelling "take me to your leader" in their telepathic language to every human that they encountered. They also randomly dissected human bodies, looking for evidence of the ability to communicate. None of the humans replied and none of the humans cut open had the correct telepathic organs, so they continued their search. They expected to find a leader that they could communicate with to force earth to surrender, but only found what they considered to be the mute, robotic, expendable drone humans fighting to the last to keep the formics from capturing the human equivalent of a queen. When they realized that every single human actually was the equivalent of a formic queen, they stopped and spent their time trying to find a way to communicate with Ender as he unknowingly xenocided them.
I'm surprised no one wrote a story where aliens take over Sol while ignoring Earth entirely
I actually don't think the "Eating Human" is necessarily as dumb as you make out. It could be the equivalence of the Japanese eating whales. Which aren't economical to farm and is considered distasteful by many other humans, just not something considered so repugnant as to escalate to war. I don't see why a vast alien empire couldn't have a sect that eat other intelligent races as delicacy which while considered distasteful by the majority of that empire do not view "saving humans" as something worth military response.
A sensible reason to actually invade earth instead of just sterilizing the planet: you want to eliminate a possible competitor while preserving the local biosphere for later exploitation.
I'm still waiting for the promised "Sexy Alien" video.
Could be less about the capabilities of the slaves and more about “look at me! I have so many rare and exotic species as pets!” Like a cultural status symbol. Heck, the harder they are to keep could even be seen as a good thing, makes holding onto them worth more than some properly domesticated pet species instead. People used to do that with elephants and tigers after all.
The only possible reason I can think of, that actually makes any sense whatsoever, is that the aliens want their stuff back from Area 51. No other earth invasion scenarios make any sense.
In regards to Water in dune: 1) They do have water efficient greenhouses, the Atreides build one to house their garden when they first move to Arrakis. It’s just insanely expensive, so only the nobility can afford it and not the lower classes. It is seen as a sign of their immense wealth and power. 2) Space travel is not cheap, it is insanely expensive. This is because the spacing guild maintains a monopoly over space travel allowing them to charge whatever they wish for its use, and because guild navigators need to be fed a constant stream of spice, the most expensive thing in the dune universe, to maintain their precognition. 3) The Spacing Guild intentionally undermines the power of other factions in the dune universe in order to keep them dependent on the guild, as this maintains their own political power. Arrakis is of particular interest to them as it is the source of their power, and the home of their most important strategic resource. By limiting the amount of water they ship there, they keep Arrakis dependent on them providing constant shipments of it, and are thereby able to exchange the cheap commodity of water for the expensive commodity spice. Water is not rare by nature, but by artificial scarcity and monopolistic practices. 4) The sand worms that live on dune consume water in massive quantities. Indeed they are the ones responsible for making Arrakis a desert planet in the first place. So simply shipping more water in would not, in and of itself, solve the problem. It’d just end up creating more worms. 5) Leto does eventually terraform Arrakis and bring more water to the desert planet, as he and his father promised to. Eventually leaving only a small patch of desert on the entire planet, a reserve set aside for Leto himself, who has at this point metamorphosed fully into a sand worm. Overall the world we are presented in dune is not one where water is actually rare. We are repeatedly described how common it is on other worlds. Instead it’s rarity on Arrakis is artificially enforced as a part of the political power struggle that makes up the primary narrative of the series.
Two minor points: In Dune, Arrakis' lack of terraforming was 100% eco-political. Nobody really wanted to mess up the planet's natual cycles because nobody understood how Spice was made. Later, it's understood that it's a byproduct of the Sandworm life cycle, so if you terraform the planet you kill all the sandworms and you lose all the Spice. As of the start of Book 1 the Fremen are already starting work on terraforming Dune in a guerilla low-budget manner, and they have their own hidden ecology labs. The consequences of a possible terraforming of Dune become a MASSIVE plot point later in the series, as thousands of years pass between some of the books. And in Ender's Game, it's not so much that the Bugs didn't think the Humans would care at ALL about losing some settlements, or that they didn't recognise Humanity as a species to be sentient, just that they didn't think humans would give THAT much care to losing a few planets. In Bug culture queens would just be like, constantly wiping out each other's settlements, but it wasn't seen as anything other than a neighbourly spat. So them exterminating the humans on those planets just wasn't a particularly evil thing to do in their moral view, and they were just expecting the humans to come back and grab a few of their planets in return, a minor border dispute, instead of a full scale galactic war erupting. Bugs were basically just playing civ, then wondering why the humans were getting so tilted over it.
About the Dune "issue", there's actually a threefold explanation for this in-universe: 1) Long-term Harkonnen occupation purposely keeping the population technologically primitive and poor. 2) Massive Fremen Spice-bribes to the Guild to keep satellites out of orbit (combined with the fact that Dune-verse satellites are usually limited by being man-operated due to a widespread religious-cultural taboo against anything resembling AI) 3) The local (and highly implied to be descendant of artificial organisms) ecosystem is very effective at sequestering water into underground dispersed pockets, functionally removing it from circulation.
Mars Attacks- the most realistic alien invasion film of all time.
Yeah I never take the alien invasion over lack of human morals to be realistic. When we look at ants we would never involve ourselves in an ant colony for the purpose of correcting their morals, or chastise them for waring with neighboring colonies. In fact we sometimes monitor ant colony vs colony warfare with scientific curiosity. Aliens likely would monitor human warfare with similar curiosity.