I hope you were able to get your tea coffee and uh something sweet and I know you're making new connections and lots of conversations and definitely our first session sparked an awful lot of interest and um for some people I suppose um from those I talked to in the break it was oh my goodness this is overwhelming and then for others it's you know baby steps little steps that time and definitely everyone is learning from each other so on to our next session and this is operational efficiencies so
I'd like to welcome to the panel um uh Megan best is coming back up again Megan uh thank you before you bring your water with you um joining Megan is Jeff Scott from Sunbelt R Sunbelt Rentals Jeff is the regional business development manager power events and clean energy at sunb Belt Rentals um it's an industry leader in the supply of Machinery temporary Power Solutions and site infrastructure to the event industry and Jeff has 38 years experience in the equipment rental industry 24 of those in
power and events that's Jeff Scott from Sun Belt Rentals and then we have Ross Park Hill thanks Ross if you'd like to join us uh Ross is the F founder and director of Stan Hall Festival uh as you know it's it's our leading Summer music and arts camping festival and the largest independent camping f Festival on the island of Ireland it happens at M uh Bal mlly Cottage Farm in liadi and has 10,000 Festival goers last year a lot of people 85% of the performers were indigenous artists and finally w
e have jacine horsky jacn if you'd like to join us who's the events manager at Derry City and straban Council now um jacn has managed so many events uh including the foil Maritime Festival in 2022 and in particular it's interesting to note that it raised awareness of key environmental issues and commissioned a sculpture called turn off the plastic tap to highlight the use of single use plastic so um thank you everybody for for being here and having a discussion we're going to take it over up unt
il the next 40 minutes anyway Megan if I can turn to you first operational efficiencies so when that comes to events what does does that actually mean well I mean I'm sure any event organizer here would be able to answer that one operational efficiency is key to organizing an event really I suppose if we were to look at it from the point of view of I mean from point of view of waste as well but from the point of view of power one of the things that we would be striving towards in terms of operat
ional efficiency is really detailed planning and advancing for an event and I'm going to fall back on my years of um organizing large- scale outdoor music festivals really understanding who's going to be at the event what they're going to be plugging in when they're going to be plugging it in in order to be able to design the generator load and you'll be able to speak to this far more than I will Jeff but in order to be able to design that so that it responds to the needs of the event instead of
being overs specked is a massive massive um operational efficiency to aim for one of the things that we discovered over the years is that generators are often far too big for what they need to be and and a lot of times is down to Stage managers and Technical uh because they live in that fear of having a cutout but um a generator that's not operating at its uh efficiency can be burning fuel entirely NE unnecessarily a generator should be burning at about 70% sometimes they're burning at like 10
15 20% on some of the ones that we've monitored and this just means a huge amount of inefficiency in fuel use and a huge amount of wastage and a huge amount of unnecessary carbon emissions where are we in Northern Ireland in regard to Greener temporary power supplies um the three main things that we can offer from our industry for this um is stage five generators which I'll come to H fuel fuel and battery storage units so stage five generators are basically the the Next Generation in engine desi
gn uh and they while they're not just uh zero emissions that but they are very very close to zero emissions um they operate through through the reason that that they're doing that is cuz they have a chemical we all know it called o blue most of us put in our cars and that turns the uh the bad stuff basically into uh water vapor and that's that sends it out through the exhaust so stage five if you have a stage five generator you're you're a bit of the way there to being Greener uh it's not the fu
ll solution but it's it's you're bit of the way there the downside if if if you want to call it that the stage five generator is from a rental point of view is the cost of it it's it's you know several years ago you had 100 KV for the sake argument would have cost £20,000 a stage 500 KV is somewhere between 35 and 40 now so that cost from our point of view has to be passed on to the the end user to the to the person's Hing it um so it's it's taking the green box but it's costing more money it's
costing more money to to maintain it's cos more money to buy it's costing the end user more money to rent uh and it it is a we bit more technical so it needs a we bit more onsite management you know the lake of that blue tank will need Che that don't like light load if there you know if as Megan said if they're on light load they don't like that so the job has to be speced correctly and if you all L event you can speack a job and within two or three minutes it's it's it's speack wrong cuz somebo
dy turns up that wasn't meant to turn up or to turn up with a different socket that they were already asked for so that that's the first thing is is the stage five stuff how can you help events what information can you give to event organizers that helps them in regard to their fuel consumption redu production or or managing and and getting the spec right the main thing is is is early engagement and planning you know get get in there early use a council for example we all know when the the event
s are coming up it's not a reactive event not very few events are reactive they're planned so right away then you're into site visits and and also you're speaking to the end user you know a lot of the time I would deal with councils and I would say give give me your list of of kers give me your shound guys and as as you go through your career you get to know these people and and they all turn up at the same event so you kind of know to gets to the point you're saying to some of the kers are you
bringing such and such a van or such and such a van and you you speack it as best you can um throughout the years as as Megan says it has been Speed high or we think we need a 50 KV sck 100 in you know that's where the stage five might struggle a little bit um so the planning early engagement site visits um and and basically speaking to everyone involved in the event becoming part of the team becoming subcontractor almost rather than just do want a and in regard to site visits the layout how imp
ortant is that if you have that festival and the layout and being uh energy efficient in that way in the utilization of generators G of it's plan correctly um for example there's there's a lot of events where say there's a roadway so you have a generator on this side of the road generator on this side of the road when really one generator will do it and you can go up and over with the cable or go across with cable ramp so you're you're cutting down on a many generators just running for a start u
m getting the all the katers in the one place like a like a food Village if you like so that all the generators are in the one place and sharing generators you know again has to be spe correctly sh the generators three or four katers off the one machine possibly have a stand by or a backup sitting somewhere that you can to in position just just just as a plan B so Sate layout can definitely there's too there's too much to think of if it's a repeat event to go okay it's on again in 2024 what did
we do last year just just put that order in again or what did we do the year before that there's no how do we I'm not saying there's no but we need a bit more planning of how do we plan this pretending it's a fresh event that sort of way um from your experience running the festival what difficulties have you had and what Solutions have you been bringing to the party uh as far as par goes I think uh we would work with Sun Belt in 2019 uh we had 22 large generators on site uh we got that down by c
entralizing uh and shifting things around to 18 which is still still a long way to go and we've also started monitoring what what usage each generators doing which we didn't do previously so I suppose the layout uh as you say cable ramp up and over um just just that I suppose and and having conversation this year about potential battery uh trial on a stage so and trying to be efficient operational efficiencies as we were talking about in regards to the festival how important have the alliances t
hat you have developed with the likes of uh daring stban District Council and other organizations around you how has that benefited you uh massively um I mean 2018 I think it was Zero wte Northwest uh I'm sure many will be familiar with we we started the separation zero waste stations um which was phenomenal um and and a real real game changer as far as waste management was concerned um that that we've kept going but as as people were talking about earlier there there's a serious human resource
behind doing that and having people there to say segregate your waste here there uh and as Poma says it's it is all getting sorted out um there is that doubt um as others said so there's definitely an educational piece that that could maybe be done around that um as far as single use Plastics last year we collaborated with Jackie after the the Edinburgh learning trip um so we're now using der and Stan single use plastic cups um but even looking at that we've recently done like a plastic and pack
age and audit so we're looking at the minute how can we completely get away from plastic um just I suppose it is in our blood so yeah um yeah Megan your pie chart earlier yeah and it had about people traveling to the festival and and some of us we were quite surprised that the Wast in those had a smaller chunk of of that pie CH the festival here and many others in Northern Ireland and across Ireland are rural they're in isolated areas and and we need cars and we need buses to get there um we'll
never overcome that surely it's a tricky one all right yeah yeah we are very reliant on the private car here in this country uh um one of the things that we've been working towards with the festivals that we work with is really understanding how audiences are traveling so doing those kind of audience surveys doing the engagement um taking drone photos and Counting how many cars are in the car park and using that information to work with County councils on their sustainable Mobility plan one of t
he pieces that I was chatting to one of the festivals with just last week actually on this particular topic was one of the festivals in gallway which has a reputation for being a gridlocked city and around the time of the festival it gets even worse they were making the point that during the time of the festival they their program finishes after the last train back to Dublin so people are forced to drive and they're like where is the joined up thinking at the top is there a conversation that we
can have with the NTA the national transport Authority around putting on some extra trains while the while the festival is running it's a large capacity f Festival so there's Gathering the data understanding how people are traveling and why they're traveling and then using that data to have those kind of higher level conversations with the county councils with the national agencies so that we can start to push for that change but I suppose it's engaging the audiences and and as I was saying earl
ier pushing the opportunities and the Alternatives that are there and then seeing what can happen with the program and with your understanding of your event to try and push for the larger scale changes I guess um jacine had the the foil Maritime Festival very very successful tens of thousands of people there's a prime time to educate as as Megan was saying your your your stakeholders your count all the visitors everyone what did you take from that in regard to being your sustainability journey a
nd how you were able to convince people um um that were coming to the festival yeah well as we've all said it is still a journey um we're definitely not there yet but um um we found our audiences were very um proactive in terms of we did the the Wendy um scenario she did it with much more pizaz um in terms of our stations or ecost stations um people were looking for it um what I guess you know we know that the audience is there them they have the right mindset it's just making sure that the the
tools are there for them to be able to do it um and that was one of the things really we want to um enforce this year and you know I think it was was Wendy said about making sure sustainability is on the agenda at every meeting we also have gone that one step further where we have sustainability group for especially for the forign maritime Festival where all we talk about is sustainability and um again I guess we have the luxury of being with the council that we can try and influence the other s
ections within Council whether it be the environment section and and we we man or bins with our our B men and again it was about trying to change that mindset for from their perspective so they could see you know you know if we don't make this effort at source then um we you know it'll cost us more and everything now we're still on that Journey we're definitely um not there yet but we use the mar temp FES to try and change the mindsets of not just our audience but also our our own employees our
staff our partners and they really use that as a platform to to to create awareness not some not just something like the the the reusable cup but how do you deal with trans support you are in a city and the environment of a city right so people can get to you more readily but are there extra measures extra public transport measures that you engage so that people from outside the city um can utilize those and go into the the foil to see something like the maritime Festival yes so we have um we me
et with TransLink once every quarter and we share stats from our events and share you know key times and things like that where they can they will increase the public transport where it works um we you know we know one of our biggest changes we have to make is um the how people get to our event even in a city the size that that we have um so trans for TransLink it was a yeah it was really really talking to them and and and making them aware of of you know what was coming up because very often th
ey aren't aware they're just not across the detail as to what we know and we don't just share our event information we share with our um Grant a inform the events that we Grant a as well so it was really just getting them to think and plan ahead and put on extra trains when it's if it's Halloween for example put on extra buses if it's the foil martime Festival um it works sometimes sometimes it doesn't work and then we learn from the next time so they're key to to the event I think two foil Mari
time festivals ago um I'm ashamed to say it but 90% of the people that came to our event came by private car um we are striving to bring that down to at least 50% um and and Beyond Ross how do you deal with transport getting to you're you're sort of remote aren't you well we're pretty rural yeah um honest answer is it's something we haven't really looked at in the past I'm ashamed to say but it is something we are looking at this year uh running shuttle buses from Bina train station which is our
closest uh straban 3D are different pickups Bast uh Port Rush Cooks town so so it's something uh we've always been conscious of but we haven't had the resourc capacity or uh enough Focus really but the cost that you could pass on to your Festival Gore because they won't be driving but uh rather than you to absorb those costs to pass those on uh I think it would be a happy medium as mean is there somebody here from TransLink that I can tell to um you know TransLink uh should certainly be at this
type of event I'm sure they were invited but uh that's conversations we need to have and if I have to go to private coach companies then um yeah we'll just have to figure it out but we're we're we're working on that at the moment um we got the microphone it's just the lady who asked the question um about power earlier and I stopped you in your tracks I apologize for that then um if you'd like to maybe put that in into the panel now thanks okay um I don't want to repeat everything no that's okay
go for it go for it but really my my question is I'm starting to get very interested in battery part generators um and I've asked other sort of colleagues around the industry and nobody seems to be using them and I sort of have a nervousness about the reliability off them um again only looking at this stage looking for small par draws so um for example last year for our larger Festival the Georgian Festival we um started to charge stall holders for par and once we started to do this it was amaz
ing how many people didn't need par that people had needed par for things like plugging in their mobile phone chargers and so on you know so so we were finding that in streets where we had maybe needed you know a 100 KVA generator we were down to needing a 45 KV generator for for paring lights and I'm not an electrician and not very technical but we we do have accurate figures on what our requirements are and um just from a bit of online reason resarch had looked and thought that quite small bat
tery part generators would maybe um be sufficient for this but I find it very hard to find anywhere locally to get advice some where you could purchase them hire them um and I just I was just wondering what your thoughts are do you want to take that you can hire them from some belt you know in regard to their efficiency as well as companies are available um they're they're they're very a about I think it's important to remember that a battery they're called battery storage in or BSU as we call t
hem and they are a standalone piece of Kit they're not a replacement for a generator they they work in conjunction with the generator um and basically what that means is the the the the smaller ones you can get small small ones Lally like a briefcase type one but you're only really getting like a 13 amp Supply off that that's something that's going to run like a PA system on the back of a float or something like that there but when you're into say stall holders or Ste they they they will run in
conjunction with the generator so during an event when everything's going when you've got caters going you've got stage going you've got security going comps going the generator pretty much runs the event it's only when you get the light loads say if a generator has to run overnight for the S argument to run fridges or whatever as you say you're running 100 kba generator they're burning 12 L an hour in fuel throughout the night uh putting all this carbon and bad stuff in the environment whereas
when the battery boxes with the generator the generator taks over the light load so the generator's not running you're saving fuel you're saving money if it's in a residential area then there's no sounds you have no complaints from the locals um again it it as far as efficiencies goes and reliability again it's down to speacking the job correctly if it's it's all load dependent a battery will do what it's it says what it'll do you can have it in two formats you can have it on a timer you can tim
e have it just manually timing it come on at that time come off at that time or the best way to do it is a full hybrid mode where the two machines talk to each other effectively and when the load's big the generator runs it when the load's small the battery takes over while the generator is running it's charging the battery the battery if it does get down to say 20% it then sends a message back to the generator to take up the load it takes up the load and charges the battery at the same time so
it's very it's very intelligent but it needs to be a bit of setting up and again it needs to be speced correctly you know we've had instances where people think a battery a battery stor is a replacement for a generator and they're just trying to put the full load on it and very quickly the battery just straight the 20% generator kicks in and the the the complaint is well that doesn't really work it doesn't work cuz it's not being used correctly you know it has to be used in the correct applicati
on and that all comes down to spe and stuff correctly in terms of cost is it a lot more costly to run that way yes that have a cout on this one uh battery storage units are what we call price on application if if I can save if I can save a customer ,000 a week in fuel then the price of this battery box is going to be wherever but it's really price and application it depends on the job it it depends on the running hours of the generator how how long the generator is going to be running typically
the the the most standard battery box in the Market at the minute is called a 4590 which is a 45 KVA and depending on the application you're looking at anywhere between three and 500 a week which sounds a lot but you can save that within a couple of days and Fu you know the price the price of white diesel today before that's 1.20 you know we do the sums a generator running at 12 hours later you know you're overnight you're spending hundreds of pounds to run a few fridges or whatever so it's it's
it's it's always worked out to make it make it work for everybody if you like it's all part of the planning me Megan um one thing I've been told that was learned from the Gathering in Scotland was the requirement for any publicly funded organization to have a baseline of impact and so therefore people have their Baseline and they can know where they're going to next um what what what's your experience of that and the necessity for that that's a great question um the I suppose understanding wher
e you're at and doing the an audit and getting the carbon footprint and and getting that kind of Baseline is a really key piece as an events organizer because it does highlight where the hotpots are um and where you're going to have the biggest impact as an event the problem I guess is for festival organizers and event organizers is that they if you do that process year on year you get better at it and you actually start capturing more of the carbon emissions data than you were the first time ar
ound like even the one that I was showing earlier on didn't actually incorporate cering there's a huge amount of carbon emissions associated with food that wasn't captured in that particular instance so and I suppose the other thing is there's the scope three emissions that are associated with materials used on an event again that's that's a big piece in the kind of waste conversation and the questions that you were asking as well because the processing of waste out an event although um it might
have a small enough carbon impact the embedded carbon um that is in the materials that are used at an event or even the embedded carbon that is um created in the manufacturer of single use things for the cups is a perfect example and there's a calculation see coming in that single use Plastics guide that we're publishing is massive massive so that's the scope three is really difficult to ascertain and to get your hands on audience travel is another scope three it's really tricky so in terms of
establishing a baseline I would say that it probably takes a few years to get good enough at Carbon accounting to get to the Baseline but it's a really important thing to start embedding from the outset and it comes back to that kind of detail planning that advancing that stakeholder engagement that event organizers are really really really good at it's like we're going to start this year we're going to try and capture this information will you work on it with us will you tell us how you travel
to and from from the event even your just your core team of suppliers so that we can start getting an understanding of where our impact are and then we can start developing out on that once we start developing those skills we're going to open it up to the floor um ladies and gentlemen hands up anyone who would like to put a question at the front here Wendy's going to going to ask and start the ball rolling I'm actually not going to ask a question I'm just going to say regarding the transport sid
e of things we've been running free buses to our events for about the past six years and it's really really popular and just if anybody wants to talk to us about the nuts and bolts and difficulties we find you know last year there was too many people for our buses and everybody wanted to go home at the same time to the point where we're not going to charge a nominal fee but just if it's helpful for anybody we do have some knowledge we can share on that thank you anyone from the floor questions i
n regard to running Europe event Siobhan thank you um I'm sioban McAn from tourism Northern Ireland I have a question about performers travel and what challenges that faces um I remember from having chatted to Celtic connections it was that they were saying that they had a challenge because a lot of their performers come from the states and well they can't really walk you could ask them to swim I suppose but it might not go down too well but it was how they I suppose maintain that level of perfo
rmance what the audience expects but also balance it you know with the the sort of sustainable agenda and I do know that we're talking to tra Belfast tradfest about could they be clever and work together about how the connections were scheduling somebody could they then go to Belfast Trad Fest and so on but I just wanted like you know particularly probably Ross and and Jaclyn maybe about performers what challenges does that face to yourself like Ross I said so many of your artists are indigenous
and they wouldn't travel as far so on on her point there um do you deliberately not take in too many International artists no uh well yes and no I suppose ethos of the festival is indigenous artists and that there's a platform there for them and and we use bigger artists suppos to give them broader bigger audiences and uh and a bigger platform we again as shame to say artists travel from an international perspective isn't something that once we done a session on it in Edinburgh um it's not some
thing we are consciously benchmarking or um something obviously when there's more literature now that I'm aware of uh we're we're ever more conscious of it at the same time we're trying to we've been a national event for example in the in tourism an's funding programs and we're now looking to become an an international events we want to attract more International artists so it is quite timely I suppose to be to be more conscious of it um but it's currently not something that we've really thought
too much about so Jac in regard to the council we all love to see the big International stars coming here but we also love to see the local indigenous ones so how do you get that balance and as shom was saying that's sustainability journey I suppose the best example we would have would be our city of dairy Jazz and big band Festival that I think we have about 300 performers that come in um a lot of them are local but a lot of them are not from here so we started a number of years ago probably m
ore costs I have to say than sustainability but encouraging them to travel together was the priority um because we just couldn't afford to fly them all in or have them all come separately and um so like and we also then put them all into we made them share bedroom not different bands share bedrooms we made you know they were coming and they all wanted their own bed we were going no we can't we just need just to think sustainably and costly um you know from the outset now we we've been doing that
a number of years so we we think we have the right balance and now in terms of the international travel how they get here um you know where bands can't like some bands big big Vans big trucks they can share travel so we have an officer and she knows exactly where somebody is and exactly the time they're meant to be there and she really does work out for them probably to save money as much it is as as it is to be sustainable so that's probably our best example of of getting that balance right um
but we need the mix we we can't not have international artists and we can't not have um you know encourage our locals as well what resistance have you got to that oh there was uproar whenever we asked them to share bedrooms it it wasn't good um some didn't come but they lost out because they but they've come back since and they've accepted it we used to give them taxes every I mean we stopped all of that we had to um from a public first perspective we really really had to but it made sense to d
o so um no but yeah that that was interesting and you always make resistance a bit I think you said yourself Megan earlier on you know well this is the way we used to do it it doesn't matter anymore it has to change so we would we sought through and thankfully you know we're seeing the rewards of that that night there's an old phrase lead follow or get out of the way yeah comes to mind um anybody else from the floor question in the middle there thank you hi uh Pete from the IC Bast Waterfront Ha
ll and oler Hall that title is always a mindful um just touching on javon's question there um so we've seen massive touring um operations such as cooplay taking a very sustainable mindset and a very sucessful mindset across the board um not all artists have the capability of doing that and that's and that's the cold and hard fact um mid-level touring for example is dying out so mid-level artists aren't touring anymore um we recently attended a conference where you know artists were talking about
coming back from tour with 10 15 ground losses and things like that for smaller acts um so I suppose from our perspective as a venue how do we influence artists and promoters and how do we support um those tours that you know are coming at a loss and are probably choosing the cheapest option rather than the most sustainable option who wants to take that sorry that was a big question no um got a big hook and you just dragg them in um the last part of the question sorry just say that but again um
so with artists choosing you know the cheapest option probably over the most sustainable option how do we influence promoters and artists as a venue to make sure that how do we supp support them yeah so we have um a hotelier group in the city in da um and we regularly communicate with them we did so very very recently where we said that their hotel prices were just too expensive for artists and for booking from the creative perspective whatever you want to charge for your visitor Grand but for
artists so they actually helped reduce the cost of hotel rooms for us because we went with the lobby we did didn't go by ourselves we went as a collective um there's a co-design group in da of creative people and we basically said this is the reality if you don't do this and if you don't reduce your price for artists then it will have an knon effect and we won't be able to do these events and thereby your visitors will not come so that is what we're currently doing and again it's a bit of a batt
le um because we hear again as a Public Authority we're hearing from the hotels you know we pay our rats and you know all the costs have gone up but you're going look at the KnockOn effect that that will have if we don't get those artists into into the city at that time so in regard to the cost of living living crisis that we're in um it's that joined up making a deal together together is is that collaboration with other sectors that seems to be working in most cases most mostes do lose artists
as well and we do you know you know better than me that sometimes there's certain artists that if they don't get the standard that they want they'll go to the next place or the next place so yeah you do run the risk of of losing people but it's just about the lobby and the background and and go it's for the greater good Ross do you get the Primadonna or are people really are they on on message and um and seeing that there's only so much that money to go around at the moment yeah uh 100% I mean u
m anybody that doesn't know anything about stal stal has been built on a lot of goodwi and a lot of good Fe and Rob and Peter the payall most years every year um and and making agreements you know if things go well if things don't go well you know all all that stuff so so yeah there's there's definitely an understanding with stendal and those that are familiar with us I suppose if we're talking the international artists they don't you know we don't get into that because they don't care um but I
think you know from the the small medium turn there's different ends uh for me there's the there is the big Stadium your Live Nation your bigger bigger promoters and ticket pricing and there's only so many entertainment pounds in the market um right down to your to your your small bands before they can become medium certainly in an ordinary perspective there's no there's no ecosystem of of a six tour get that experience to then go down South where the the music scene is is five or 10 times bette
r supported as far as indigenous artists go um and people spend in pounds um so so there's different different ends of it and um the smaller venues are all obviously not all but a lot of them are closing now so that's just going to make that worse from your experience have promoters helped if promoters coming collaboratively with you to try and and be sustainable reduce the costs are they a blockage the promoters or um could you work with them as well to a certain degree yeah and the PRS will wi
ll will work with us uh and we do have a number of regular promoter who work with us uh s consistently but it suppose it it's it's more the booker and the artist um and their management the that are the the bigger challenge I would say um because that really ship is such a stage relationship by the time they get as you'll know the time you get to the actual venue you've gone through an artist their management potentially an agent maybe a Booker and then a promoter local you might have gone throu
gh Live Nation as well so it's just that journey of that relationship and how do you influence such a large group of people do you take on board the about the hotel year did would that would that help you in any way good good anybody else on the floor I might have another crack at that one well oh yes Megan go ahead yeah just kind of going back to that sphere of influence so what can we control in our core team we can control our own policies we can control um and make changes for ourselves with
our own kind of um very close Network and then the our artists and our suppliers they're a little bit outside of that first sphere of influence so we can chat to them but at no point is there like there is very little point in a festival organizer or an event organizer on an island at the edge of a continent apologizing for being a f organizer or an event organizer the very nature of where we are and what we do means that we do have to have international travel coming here in order to continue
to promote our events I think that's what we're saying so what can we do where is the where what are the very first NE next best steps that we can take and I'll point back to the example I gave you of the naturally wild festivals this was a cohort of nine festivals trying to really understand their carbon Footprints working with a myriad of different stakeholders and the end result of that project is that they're going to have an understanding of their carbon footprint and then they're going to
multiply that figure by and it sounds like carbon offsetting and I'm going to say it and it's a big carbon offsetting what a terrible thing but the the truth of it is that they're going to use that carbon footprint and multiply it by whatever the current carbon tax is in the government of Ireland's um Publications which I think is about 48 euro per ton so if they've got 100 tons of of carbon impact from their festival and they've got 4 8 you're talking about €480 or is it 4,800 4,800 thank you m
y mats are obviously terrible I shouldn't be doing carbon Footprints at all um but using that figure to then contribute to lock grainy which is a nature reserve down carry now it's it's not actually carbon offsetting because you're not buying credits in order to cover what you're doing you're getting to an understanding you're mitigating everything that you can Aviation is the hardest thing to mitigate in terms of carbon emissions but you've done all the rest and then you're being accountable an
d Reporting on what you can't change and then using that as a facility to invest into it's called insetting investing into nature regeneration on the is Island so those are the next best steps that those festivals can take so I like I really do get it and this conversation comes up constantly in Ireland we do have this problem around transport and around Aviation because we are an Ireland but let's do what we can do and then try and start making other changes I guess unless I have another questi
on I'm going to leave it there no not nothing at the moment so ladies and Gentlemen please thank our panel for sharing their thoughts and their insights
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