oh here's a taxi what oh that's a taxi and it is definitely stopping oh [Music] oh my god no way oh my god whoa oh hell no hey hey how are you doing pretty good i'm nick nice to meet you [Music] i'm gonna guess your name is ricky [Music] a.k.a it's a whole lot that's a whole lot right but the best thing you can do is you know follow me inside actually what i'd like to do is yeah introduce you to miracle all right so let's let's do that i'll do that for you yup i mean you don't want to come down
here i i'd rather have cover come up this way why is that like i said you definitely need to follow me inside i got some it's hard to explain right now yeah it's hard to just walk down here with me wait hold up hold up hold up where you going man neve don't you follow no angry black man in today's house i guess he went back upstairs childish his hail i can understand he feels like we're putting putting him on in the hot seat if he really needs us to go inside i'm willing to go in it's fine show
the way you have to come too oh lord mtv ain't paying me enough for all of this bro okay we are in the house do you know me from somewhere like have you seen me huh so why me you know i it's it's tough man it's hard yeah there are okay let's just talk for a second she's just feeling a lot of anger and and and humiliation i get that i get that so i think the best thing you can do is to just tell her and us what's going on with you whatever it is oh god give me a sec think about it no pressure he'
s just gonna take a second i'd like to at least give him an opportunity to just explain himself [Music] hi hello hi i'm neve i'm kara kara yes hi well i'm giovanni meaning you are the person with whom miracle has been texting yes which would mean that you're the guy on the phone that she spoke to yes so together you guys created this not together no i did it on my own when miracle wanted to speak with a guy i didn't know who else to turn to but my husband i made a page because a friend of mine h
er boyfriend was cheating on her and the girl that he was cheating with i was trying to get her to give me all of her information so of course when i made the page i'm just sitting out from requests to everyone so you made the jovani santos page to reach out to a girl that your friend's boyfriend was messing around with yes explain how we ended up here right now so there's a big there's a big there's a baguette well to phil i don't work because i have lupus most of the time i'm just kind of layi
ng around kind of in bed not feeling good so when she started texting it was like oh i was not thinking that it would have went this far not even thinking that it would have lasted more than a week or two here's some real catfish how you let your wife do this though you didn't check your wife bro like why didn't you take the phone and say miracles just my wife she playing she's here majority of the time i'm usually not here i'm working that's what i do you know so i'm normally gone so i didn't r
ealize how deep it had gotten like you need to stop with that i didn't realize that it went over what she originally planned for it to be once i got to know miracle like i thought she was a really sweet girl are your feelings they're genuine yes everything through our text messages that was all me to be clear you expressed at least from the little bit that was made apparent to us like romantic feelings um some of it was pretend and some of it was real but fire is like wanting a relationship with
it no i don't want to take it that far i mean just from what i got it was a relationship no it wasn't that you know couldn't be put to rest you know you know a month go passing you're still conversating with her are you still you still this is what's still going on this is some bs right now you did make me feel like that person was a real person now we on national television looking crazy as hell i got friends i got family i have a daughter i have a job i have a career i work for the damn state
i'm sitting here looking dumb as hell because of you because apologize that you got wrapped up but at the same time it's not like you you you you you it's not that it's us and we did it together we was in this together we was i wasn't texting myself trying to blame the victim mind you several times i did try to stop every time you tried you were right back trying to keep me to stay there saying all this weird stuff let's just be real do not do nothing to say like you was just sitting here like
i'm done i'm done i'm done and i'm just sitting like some dumb ass female i'm just saying that i'm still there come on man that's the thing i'll be real quick i tried more than once is it is it lucas or she psycho which one you're a sick individual i said i'm sorry maybe now is the appropriate time to absolutely you see me don't speak to me trust me it ain't no reason to sweetie you basic do you see your outfit though there's nothing there is that a fish let's go there's the door we can leave it
's done okay all right bro have a good day you too all right like some sick ass individuals they both some bums if you ask me y'all let your wife though man don't let her do that again to somebody you know that bottom line is you don't know what's you know what's going on behind the scenes it's basically what i'm trying to be cool man get me the hell out of here are you being stood up again i don't know i don't understand oh hi hi hey it's him this is rayquad i cannot what's up steve rickmon nic
e to meet you me too i think you know who this is okay do you not want to hug me like i'm confused i'm confused too why are you confused i feel like a little bit betrayed because you went to the stream and just did all this you got people like calling people who i know asked about cause i'm cause like you don't ever answer to facetime okay you you blocked me why am i blocked you were doing a little bit too much for me what did i do what's the problem yeah i feel like what did you what did you co
me here for are we talking are we together what's going on i never said we would still get there when did i say that to you are you kidding me you're rayquan yes and that instagram account yes that's okay that's you okay yeah and it's been you talking to him this whole time and only you just me no one else is involved in this kevon has nothing to do with it so who's all these other people there well no so we were wrong the good news is it was him the whole time so then the real question then for
me was like we got the impression from truth that you guys were interested in each other and that there was some chemistry and that you were hopeful that you'd meet up and see what happened so it's strange to me that this would be an inconvenience when in fact it feels like something you guys might have wanted to have done i mean if it was something i wouldn't want it done i would have had it done i flirted with them but so far as a relationship we never talked about in a relationship the last
six months for you has just been somebody to talk to a friend so you don't think that anything you said over the last six months gave him the impression that you were interested in him in a meaningful way if flirting gets you in a relationship i'll be in about a whole bunch right now have you had feelings for him yeah he was a cool person to talk to he still is a cool person so i'm a cool person why we can't facetime does your phone work yeah my phone it works so with your homework and why you n
ever couldn't answer face down after that because i didn't want to why did you waste six months of my life you wasted your own six months nobody said that we were in a relationship you did that are you dumb no are you dumb are you dead are you stupid like really like what was the point of you coming if you're gonna act because you're gonna keep calling and texting everybody accidents so i came out here that's why i can't [Music] you guys talk for a second this is zeke by the way sorry you didn't
get a chance to meet me nice to meet you i'm just gonna check i'll be right back like why why did y'all bring me here if y'all know he was gonna act like this i didn't know it was gonna be him i don't get it i never said we was in a relationship never said that and then you're going around asking people having people call my phone oh it's catfish you go on the catfish there you trying to get in contact with me that's embarrassing as hell why are you staying in your presence i'm frustrated becau
se i've been in like an on and off getting relationship that's why i never said anything sexual to him i never said though you're my boyfriend let's be boyfriends because i'm not i wouldn't want to bring nobody in it i don't know i feel like he's not telling us the whole story sounds to me like he might have a boyfriend i need to ask some more questions sure try to keep it cool and collected what's keep on got to do with this what do you mean he got something to do with it didn't he call you or
y'all was texting we got dm'd or something we yeah we we did who's a friend of mine real close friend of mine i think that y'all all caught jesus what the cloud chasers because they ain't more lit than me i'm just about to say that oh god they don't go fast they are they worry about everybody else yourself like i can walk down the street so he's so lit why you got to go to catfish and stuff like that go get you somebody else since you're so lit i'm very nice beside yourself who's going to kill m
e i'm standing right here you got a boyfriend yeah on and off boyfriend so why are you talking to me you got a one-on-one boyfriend every time we chatted me and my boyfriend wasn't together like i said on and off when i disconnected from you we were together i respect you that much you don't respect me that much we said they were on and off but both of you deceived each other i didn't deceive nobody i don't know what you're talking about he told you he had a relationship you were in a relationsh
ip you over here trying to like be extra because why are you going this way the only way for y'all to clear the air is to be 100 and the thing about that is that's funny to me i'm not upset about that kudos to you is your boyfriend in the house no i won't go in your airbnb and sit down he's just walking in people's houses you see this is the type of crazy like nobody got the time but you can understand why he's upset he said i love you you could have at that point being like yo man i'm not feeli
ng that i'm gonna come let's go out there we're just gonna defuse how are we gonna defuse this situation what's gonna defuse the situation the only way to defuse the situation is be chill look so somehow he he got the impression that you guys were much more serious than you thought he don't give about nothing you say indeed look how he's standing all right all right so let's you know what kevin he's taking off his foot back i'm not scared of you what are you all right let's go for the moment and
maybe meet back up and we can try and sort of reset this okay let's go get some fiji water nice meeting you you too get this mic off of me for me i'm down here looking crazy yeah man here comes the car guys all right who's inside guys [Music] uh oh wait a second i don't know what this is [Music] i noticed [Music] what's this hey man you want to chill out a second excuse me for real don't touch me better back up don't touch me better back up kind of is this gonna chill out man what kind of this
man i'm talking him and i are talking yo excuse me one thing right now one thing you're gonna like you're gonna learn to love it too what the hell are you talking about what's going on i'm going to be the one wearing the pants and this one understand that dude you're there being unreasonable straight up kind of i'm just asking you to take it down a couple notches hey you brought a lot of attitude by the way a lot of attitude last night thanks a lot really felt it too you and i got to know you be
tter i loved it but i'll tell you what you and i we could do that later come here we're going to talk we got we're really winning guys do we don't talk are you kidding me you could still be my chocolate kiss too you don't forget about that baby come on come on can so do you know this do you know this no i'll notice are you jess yeah i'm jess you're jess yeah man what man i mean that there that's what i had what kind of is that man oh hell no god [Applause] not everything is as it seems not every
thing you see or want it to be can be exactly what you wanted to be and i am living proof of that and i felt that and i felt the necessity to put myself out there what are you so angry about come on the guy's got a family and he's talking to me he thinks he's talking to some broad but he did think he was talking to a girl exactly right so you're you're a good actress sure i like that yeah why not what's your name by the way you skipped that my name's justin i'm gonna take a take a stab at this s
ure you're gay obviously i'm not chaos well it's not so obvious i mean you you are pretending to be a girl online and having a romantic relationship with a guy so i give it to you you got me there right so man maybe what it was to begin with was just uh it was a joke this fake profile just playing around with people what not i didn't think anything too much of it until you know honestly i started seeing guys like him who are already in a relationship so i was like you know what i kind of have th
is power to use it for something use it for good what i had with him was a little bit personal and obviously you guys got a taste of that what my message is to tell people look you can't jump around on relationships that you're in you felt like it was your job to sort of teach him a lesson is that am i i just want to make sure i understand yes you guys were having some sexual oh yeah yeah oh yeah and you were just keeping that up for this moment so that you could can catch him yeah and confront
him honestly yeah let's see what she's got to say hey good morning how you doing we come in with the crew yeah all right let's do it guys have a seat so did you and hundred talk at all between no listen uh i'm gonna be honest with you guys now she's gonna be honest all right what what's up i don't know hendra you don't know hundra what is that what do you mean you don't know hundra i've only been talking there for about like four weeks so you mean the whole nine months thing isn't actually true
that's not true so you guys only started talking four weeks ago yes oh so but you still have been talking to her okay um well obviously she contacted the show right but it's just like it's not true don't know hunter don't like her at all like that me and millie only did it because she has this too wait melanie knew hundra yeah so melanie knows that this is all fake too either you guys are like academy award-winning actors or like uh cause you guys are okay so hold on so you and melanie are for r
eal ex girlfriends yeah okay okay and a couple months that's true a month ago hundred contacted you guys and said hey i want to get on this show catfish i don't know i don't know if it was like that i have no idea there's got to be some reason you're involved in this was it because you thought if we got you could get on the show why would you risk your reputation just to help some girl you don't know if melanie wanted to help her then i love her so i'm gonna help so melanie asked you to help her
and encouraged you to get involved well yeah she needs help i'm going to help her okay i'm down i'm riding but like help her what though is andra even lesbian does she even like girls i have no idea but the way she's trying to make me look out there was like i'm just trying to turn straight girls out no that's not how you don't portray a lesbian that way i don't want to be made to look on tv like i'm that person i'm still not sure i understand the situation why are we here i could be with my da
ughter on father's day right now does hundred know that we know this right now that you told us nope so hundred thinks that we believe her yep i'm pretty mad there's really no point in us being here i'm out for sure idiot let's go get hundred i'm about to go crazy on this little woman man let's call her and melanie and bring him over here all right hey ladies would love to chat and it was all like a plot just to get on tv [Music] i didn't sign up here to come help some stupid little girls find a
little 15 i know not even minutes 15 seconds of things i feel like a snitch now that was horrible what if melanie was doing some stupid and jeremy's covering for her right the only person who could manipulate geraldine into doing this is melanie yeah because she's got it wrapped around her yes melanie feels like she needs to help her that i'm gonna ride for her i feel like she's still not giving us the whole truth because she's trying to protect melanie i did it for love i am curious to just so
rt of see if we can at least find out why they did it just like get it a straight story that makes sense yeah just them pulling up did you come with andre uh no no oh here she is so what's up really so you just steal pictures and pretend and talk to people i'm talking to you i can hear you so speak like you think that's cool it's over what's over what's over this whole thing is over what do you mean she spilled the beans y'all playing us alejandra you want to tell us something you knew them alre
ady huh but it was still something that needed to be done like as far as me coming out so that was it you just wanted to come out you had to have at least had a reason to want to be on television i wanted the world to know that i was gay why does the world need to know that you're gay when you're in a culture that hates what you have to become it's not that easy so yeah in a way the world should give i don't know what's going on what's the world gonna take away from this right now you're setting
a really bad example for people how because you lied and you also speak on gays like they have a disease butch and like a for a day i feel like i can call them certain names because i've been in their world for a while on paper like i think your crusade to liberate haitian women across the nation is like beautiful and like there are very real ways that one could do that and this is the worst way to do it this is incredibly selfish you don't look like a hero okay well this is done yeah thank you
so why why are you smiling what's funny it's not funny is this is and why did you go along with this what what do you have invested in her sucker you are a sucker you corny you are corny so a random girl just hits you up on the internet and says like hey will you help me live on national television you're like sure well it wasn't like that i mean she wasn't a random girl i mean we were friends i just don't see you and hundred being friends i don't get that pair though like i mean i wouldn't say
we're like the best of friends like i'm like oh now now we're not friends i know if it is thank you for wasting my time i regret all of it you're corny you're not a hero you are a you are a shameful citizen like and she runs away from her problems are you kidding me you know what i had to do to get here what a coward dude you're a coward man and open-minded hello what's up hey man what the [ __ ] are you serious what trees really you've been behind us the whole time why y'all bring up wait who'
s trans that's my baby daddy let me tell you who was there anyway how could you do this to me oh that's no trend now are y'all in on this what you mean you know what you really think i'm finna set you up like that what the uh somebody you already know i don't even do like this clearly this is not something that's the way that we're in on together so let's not let this get between you guys no it's going to be between us because how does who's tress well you don't know this guy but apparently they
had a kid today you have a child yeah wow man i'm through with it wow i don't want nothing else to do with this i'm ready to go i'm ready to go that was messy why y'all bring my baby mama man the whole time he been doing it i had no idea that was what was happening here hold on a second yes i really don't believe it so obviously this is this is awkward turning into a much bigger situation than we could have anticipated so that's aisha's i'm gonna go talk to aisha yeah let's figure this out the
whole time the whole time you sat there and you lied to her and then when it come to me getting into a relationship with somebody you'll come and you'll run away but you don't want me to be with nobody else but you hey hold on hold on no explanation what the let's not make this you don't fall out of my head you had this logo on for three years wasn't supposed to be like that it wasn't supposed to be like that at all to be like that trend it's crazy but i'm the one who who's going through this an
d y'all arguing you're not ran off all my ex-boyfriends you don't want me to be with nobody but you you got a boyfriend man i'm so over this i can't believe you did this to me it wasn't like that not like that hold on a second hold on a second take me home i this is obviously some drama between them that we we didn't know what's going on step in the car with me for a second oh my goodness i cannot believe this is happening right now the whole time why have you been talking to her with this other
guy's picture for the last three years and avoiding her all this time i met her through her i didn't want to be like this i ain't wanted to be messy i didn't want to be no messy situation that's my kid's dad which kid my son my aunt my seven-year-old son i can't keep no boyfriend cause every time i get into a relationship here he come running them away he don't want me to be with nobody else for him but every time i turn around it's a new [ __ ] in the picture so you met because of aisha and yo
u liked her yeah but you couldn't really pursue her because of your previous relationship yeah i don't even know who he is i've never seen him yeah we met at a party about three years ago october and so we had it was the little halloween party do you remember being here for halloween a couple years i was right before i moved to washington we wasn't even really properly introduced but i i thought i i kind of thought we liked each other so you were into her it wasn't supposed to be like this i was
going i was just really just trying to hollow and that's bull that's really cool so i'm sorry wow it wasn't this long i was going to come right out and tell you who i was i was going to come right out and tell you who i was out after outback it didn't hurt me because that's my friend tt you know what anytime this girl taught me she don't feel in love with the person she texted on the phone and come find out it's my baby daddy now she's looking at me like i got something to do with this like com
e on now you know we brought aisha because they're good friends yeah and aisha's sort of been there for her this whole time and i understand you the whole reason you wanted to sort of use this fake name was to avoid exactly this mess but maybe you didn't think things through because i mean eventually she you know you know she was gonna find out you know i was gonna tell them i was gonna tell it was never supposed to go this far especially when they started getting close you know just i had seeme
d like i had to keep on stretching the loud he helps me he takes care of my other kids that's not his but the fact that i don't wanna it's not just no boy there's not just no boyfriend that i've been with for a year and a half i've been dealing with this man for almost eight or nine years like here i am hi my daughter he's saying he got multiple kids what is this how did you ever see i feel like i owe you an apology but at the same time i knew nothing of it i'm in love with who my baby daddy you
're in love with my son's dad how strong are your feelings for her i mean are they really strong i wouldn't even did this if they weren't strong you know what i mean do you still have feelings for aisha yeah i love worship by my mom i'm not in love with her do you think you're in love with tiana i got strong feelings for him i don't want to hurt him so why didn't you just meet up with tiana i don't know dumb ass mistake i shouldn't hang type let me go check in with them i feel like i just got hi
t in my face wow does he have feelings for tiana it's not just feeling like we supposed to be in love yeah he definitely has feelings for you i keep saying feelings we're supposed to beat him up [Music] no hi hey jonah no i don't even want to hear it are you serious i'm sorry you don't want to talk to me no why would you really sorry no i want to hear it from like your mouth like is it really you [Music] why i don't even know why like why do you think it's colder just with my emotions like that
it's not even like that i'm sorry it's been you the whole time everything's been you the whole time i don't know i'm sorry [Music] no and then you're you're going around saying that we slept together that's what you said you said we said that how did i what did i say hello don't talk to me oh you what did i say what did i say you think it's cool to really with my emotions like for what for what is this making you look good no it's not is this making you look good but you act like i'm the only on
e going around lying when you're bull how am i no i'm not cool i'm not at all so they jus they're just lying you didn't say that we slept together that's not what we just said we slept together but i think you go around and lying about like we did hook up twice and like we hooked up twice yeah we hooked them twice we hooked up twice nope okay no this is awesome here to look good come on no it's not no you [ __ ] i don't give a don't bring me out for something like this thank you not doing this n
ot doing it oh here's a taxi what oh that's a taxi and it is definitely stopping oh [Music] oh my god no way oh my god whoa hello hello how you doing i'm good i'm nev josiah good to meet you man well hello jojo i guess you know these guys hey what's up hi hey nice to finally meet you nice to finally meet you too hello i miss her not gonna shake my hand this is gonna be fun i just can't believe you're you yeah that's the big story that's the big surprise wow that never happens wow seven years man
it took seven years for you to get five years yeah um i'm not gonna be able to do it with both of them at one time are you scared no i'm scared it's just it's both of y'all yeah i mean we've never had a situation like this so that's a lot we're all trying to figure it out what was the problem i don't understand like uh i mean these two different people it's two completely different stories why not like video chat with them or meet up with them i mean because at that time like i had a lot going
on we all got things going on jojo if you're gonna let me talk then you know i'll talk but if it makes sense don't jump down my throat let's just figure out how we can make the situation go as best as possible so right now you have the floor what's your deal i'm from philadelphia i'm a home health care aide i'm 22 years old have you always lived in philly or have you lived in other places lived in several different places are there other guys aside from dj and malik that you've been talking to f
or a long time on the internet no they're the only two the only two do you have a kid yes i do have a son two years old are you in a relationship with the mother no i'm not in a relationship with the mother great what other sort of bigger details about your life that we don't know or maybe we think we know well right now i'm currently in a relationship we've been together for two years wow two years in real life yes that's why i haven't been able to use skype or you know me when i'm on the phone
malik my boyfriend is not around if i'm texting malik or dj you know even if i'm laying in bed with him i'll turn to the side you know so oh wow right so you're smart you're smart okay i mean y'all have every right to be upset upset is that i mean it's an understatement it's nothing i mean only thing i really can say is sorry and try to give you guys answers but it's not it's nothing else i can really do but why do it for so long i have a special type of connection with y'all like it's it's kin
d of hard to let y'all go it's difficult what are your feelings towards these guys i love both of them i mean i might love one more than the other but i love both of them [Music] who well i mean i like i love dj more than you know but it's only because you know i know i'm so long i mean i'm not trying to hurt your feelings the only thing i can say is sorry do you feel like you've been dishonest with that i feel like we haven't sat down and said we're together for all i know he can have about two
other people he's about to text you know once we leave but you were lying when you first met dj yes but you know dj caught me in that lie and i showed him who i really was and he accepted me so my question is why after that then you never come so you really think during the summer i wanted to take my money and travel all the way to bummer i would think if you're in a relationship and committed to them or are you feeling such strongly for someone yes i would want to take my money i'm going to be
able to sit here and continue to do this because if you're not going to do this always you can't stand pandora don't wait hold on a second whatever whatever whatever you can't have a grown man conversation he gets mad he can't stand still to talk to have a conversation he has to move hang up or block you i'm good okay say well there was a little lie where's the big like glide y'all playing i'm done i can't with that i understand i understand this is why me and him can't talk that's dj right it'
s just he's got a temper okay she had to know that coming here meant upsetting them and potentially it not going well i'm some real like i'm not even playing right now i feel i'm over it he doesn't seem to feel that guilty no part of moving past all of this now and like actually ending it is dealing with these guys and their feelings which is sort of what you've been able to easily avoid [Music] just because you showed up doesn't mean you really like showed up now you gotta own up all right okay
i mean i have no problem with talking to them but i can't talk to both of them why don't you talk to one of them at a time okay all right so why don't we walk back so that you can sit down with malik okay [Music] all right so malik do you you cool if i leave you guys all right i'm just gonna be right over here i never told you me and you were in a relationship okay so i mean i don't even understand like where all where all the attitude is coming from we were never together but how you trying to
make a scene was even though he wasn't together right now in the future time it was going to be something else you had your opportunity to come see me and i had my opportunity to come see you and you didn't do that with each other at the end there has been several times you were supposed to come and see me and you didn't when there were several times that i was supposed to come and see you and yeah you are lying all them people that you talk to are you serious leaderboard for somebody else beca
use it's not going to work on me i know the truth and i can't wait to get on your camera now talk to me with english english english english similar to something you do when you cook get it together okay get it together okay okay i'm done talking to you your hands ain't nothing no you're dismissed no i don't do league up out here y'all playing i can't no i i have no words for him cause he's lying i just want to go all right but are you at least open to trying this again either later today or tom
orrow because i think you are old enough right now with with dj but i'm done with malik right now i'm done with him right i understand so let's just walk back we'll take a second we'll put the the mic back on you well i'm willing to listen you're both adults you have real feelings for each other you need to communicate those so here's an opportunity to do that she's all right right so i'll let you guys do your thing god this is crazy dj can i start by saying one thing to you yes i am sorry i'm i
'm scared i like dead ass serious i'm sorry so then why even do it in the first place then because it's just something there it's not my did you mean something there my attention i still have feelings for you like that now how am i supposed to sit here in my head to believe the fact that you're still so strongly filling these feelings towards me if you boil the whole half of the relationship listen if you don't believe me then you just don't believe me there's nothing i can say to you that's goi
ng to make you yes it is we're stuck on that happened five years ago seven years ago that is your whole issue with me that's not the only one what's what else you got a baby that's not something i like to talk about what this is something i don't like to talk about i don't i don't understand that i've never understood a father not wanting to talk about their child oh pause now that's what i won't let you do i last time i seen my son when he was seven months old okay that's the end of that you ar
e full of i refuse to sit around people that's not going to listen i understand they're going to open up their mouth and just talk talk talk talk talk and you don't know what they do you don't know the situation one second that's clear that's been clean for somebody just not peeping don't test me um no no no let me tell you something i'm not the one sitting in there you know me then i got dj you're not going to send me though yeah let me step outside he said you want to why don't you show us the
two pictures that i have of her are this is oh yeah here we go very pretty oh wow so you saw those pictures and you thought like oh she's pretty yeah that's all you've seen of her in the last four years yeah it's odd that someone who is an exhibitionist by profession that you only have two pictures don't you think there's something a little yeah it is it is a little odd and a little off you ever feel like she's not telling you something i want to say yes but then it's like no because i don't li
ke being lied to i don't ask for nothing else just don't lie to me i hope that i'm getting what i give because i'm being genuine with you i expect for you to be genuine with me 100 so hopefully that's the case that's going on if not four years of trust and not getting him back that would be really hurtful to me because i don't trust too many people wait a second here's a message between whitney and luscious b they've talked so luscious said hey boo how is everything going where are you now what
year is this from 2011. how far does it go it goes whoa oh my god wow they talked a lot wait this is a full relationship do they know each other look 2014 oh my gosh they were talking in december january 19th that was a week ago do you think whitney is messing with us is that what's happening right now hey love get on ooh love wait get on uvu i thought she couldn't get on youtube that doesn't make any sense like they've been video chatting since 2011. whitney and brunel talk extensively they're
having an almost daily exchange for the past four years i'm so confused or i'm not she's lying to us does she gotta be lying to us does she gotta know that luscious is brunel they're very good friends so whitney is screwing with us she's she played us we figured it out but we're here we got catfished whitney is that even her real name we don't even know if anything she told us is real i mean we don't even know if they're in love she wants they want to be on tv yeah luscious she's got a career ma
ybe she's trying to process this is no stranger to the camera there have to be easier ways to meet than to write into a television show they're using us for a plane ticket did she really think we wouldn't figure it out i just can't believe this we were looking through your messages and basically we found these a little over four years of conversation 55 pages between you and the luscious bead going all the way up to a week ago there are times where you ask to go on oovoo or skype and it looks li
ke you guys got on with each other no i haven't been on with her come on yeah well this person her name is um [Music] come on [Music] i didn't hit you up to do this that's what's going on all right anyone tell us what that means yes she basically had to show up to basically try to see me okay and i was like why you do that i want to see you too but like this is crazy everything just went haywire from there and now we're here you'd lie to the show so that you could come on and then meet each othe
r in person yeah here's the dilemma we've now sat with you for probably a total of five hours and listened to a hundred percent lies look you looking us dead in the eye and lying to us we're in this position that you so well articulated that you don't like being lied to because when someone lies to you you don't know what's true and what's not and we don't exactly want to air a show where we get right tricked by two people who may just want their 15 minutes of fame so this is your final shot to
tell us the truth all right what's the nature of your relationship with brie we we've been talking for on and off for about four years are you in love with her i am a lover she's dead i'm here i'm trying to figure out even if i want to stay in new york or not i want to see her to make sure that if i do decide to move to california that i'm gonna be with her and everything is what she says it is and what we wanted to be tell us about how it's ruined your relationship with liz after alyssa and i b
roke up i started talking to liz and we hit it off and we were in a great relationship going on for about a year and a half i'm madly in love with that girl you were dating her for a year and a half yeah a year and a half wow and alyssa just broke that up yeah let's start contacting me again saying i still love you i want to be with you and i was trying to give her the hint i don't want a relationship and she still harassed me and called me at random times of the night two or three in the mornin
g as you could see that it was really hurting your relationship with liz like why not just get a new phone number i did get a new number but she got my number somehow this girl is stalking you basically the harassment continued and that was a big part and why liz and i broke up because liz felt like since alyssa was still in the picture she couldn't trust me anymore thank you for meeting up with us on such short notice obviously you know what we're doing here we want your take on this whole situ
ation your side of the story well i've known vince for about three and a half years now we started talking as friends and then we got together but alyssa didn't get out of his life she was always in this relationship so alyssa was always this like third person in your relationship always why is alyssa still involved i should be the only girl that you're talking to she's like you know texting him and stuff and i would see text messages like i wish you were here like how am i supposed to react rea
lly yes wow and she knows he's in a relationship yeah she's making me crazy and then her cousin gets involved too and starts talking to me miranda she's like hey how you doing how are you in vince as soon as she said i was like boom you really don't have to talk to me that was it and it was cut off she never texted me back to this day how did we get from that to you guys breaking up well um it was just this past monday we we just broke up this week yeah that's why like i'm really emotional about
this he told me i'm gonna be on catfish i didn't understand why i thought he met alyssa i thought he knew alyssa so you never realized that he had never met her he lied to me this whole relationship [Music] i'm sorry i didn't know this whole time [Music] vince told you that he had dated her in real life and met her and all this stuff from what the stories he told me multiple stories about meeting and being with her like he told me like he went to her aunt's house and her aunt's house is nice an
d all of it's a lie i do love him i'm just disappointed in him how can you love them and never met them welcome to our world is anything you told me true yeah everything i've told you is true except for of course the pictures does that mean that your mother recently passed away from breast cancer no that part was not true i said that then everything's not true well that part did you have cancer no you came out here and said everything i said was true except for the pictures and now it turns out
most of what you said wasn't true why when he started dating liz did you try so hard to break into that relationship and and cause havoc you know he's in a relationship you know he just wants to be a friend to you that's the story that he told us um well you know i might have lied about stuff and everything but he's not innocent he has flirted with me ever since he has been dating liz and i have text messages to prove that the things that he said in his text message he shouldn't say that if he h
as a girlfriend what did he say in his text message he texts me saying something about playing with us i have that on text message so you can't sit there and say that you didn't send it well did you text it to me while you were dating liz he's told me that he would break up with liz for me obviously he didn't tell you guys that story nope no whatever but like i said i agree it's not whatever if you have this girl that you love so much that you've been having a relationship with for a year and a
half like why are you right sending pictures of your i wasn't trying to get any sexual conversation out of you come on vince don't pretend and i won't either that you're holier than any other guy ever we're all the same here okay wait timeout i don't do that vince called us in yes under this under realistic under the pretense that he wanted to get this girl the hell out of his life because she's ruining his relationship with his girlfriend who he loves so much come on man you're making me look l
ike an ass you're kind of making yourself look pretty bad i mean liz had good reason to have suspicions about why you weren't blocking alyssa i wasn't trying to get back in a relationship you were i was something on the side that you wouldn't let go of for liz which is all she wanted i mean yeah every time i want to meet her something she pulls up an excuse and then eventually got her to get on skype with me it was completely different person so the person that you were video chatting with was n
ot the girl from the photos yeah not at all wow when you guys were video chatting did you have a clear video of this girl it was a bit pixelated it wasn't the best connection what was your reaction i was shocked and i was upset questioning why she would do that to me then she texted me saying that she had her cousin get on the camera why did she want to do that she wanted to see if i loved her for her is what she was saying and not for her looks but you had never seen that girl before and you ne
ver saw her again no not at all because i think ramon deserves an explanation i didn't think any any relationship was gonna form with him all of it was real just not the appearance that's the only thing that was fake okay yes it was yes it was not right i know it's not right you spent over 3 000 freaking dollars on me do you not think i don't feel bad i'm surrounded by that every single day you couldn't have like came clean after all that if you felt bad i tried to come clean you tried to compla
in you know i tried to come clean you know i tried to come clean please don't you know i tried to come clean to you several times yes and every single yes i did you were acting all sad you knew i knew what [Music] you knew that i tried to come clean before is it all right we all come in yeah he knows my full name though he probably will claim that he forgot it he knows he heard my birthday he's seen my driver's license you've seen me we facetimed we skyped you called me by my name before is that
true yeah now that i what the hell yeah there were multiple times where he has seen me he knew that if i was in paula he knew that this is what he was gonna get whether he wants to act like he doesn't know or not it's a little weird that you didn't tell us that she went to such she i mean you only told us that she once said something and then you only saw her from here up no he saw me he saw me how much of what she's telling us right now is accurate about the fact that she tried multiple times
to explain to you who she really was yes that did happen i barely remember what barely remember that we sat with you for hours trying to extract stuff from you sounds like you had kind of met her a couple times yeah i didn't want to believe it i didn't take us back you know five months ago when you got this random phone call and kind of how everything progressed from there so i was selling my soaps and things like that and so every once in a while you know i'll get a call and i got a call from j
ack i let it go to voicemail i text him i wanted to know you know like if he had any inquiries he's so funny he just started like kind of flirting with me and i thought it was funny and i did it back wow what was his line like i'm feeling really dirty do you have any soap i'm a dirty boy yeah can you tell us a little bit about him he lives here in rochester too he lives my time out why haven't you guys met he works a lot and i'm busy with my kids do you talk to him on the phone no no you've only
texted we all need to know but he called you once yeah but she didn't answer you're a smart woman you know that that's pretty weird that is weird but at this point i've fallen for whoever i've been talking to honestly i'm in love i am very emotionally invested in this relationship but lately he hasn't been texting me back and when he does it's like late at night it makes me wonder am i the only person he's talking to you don't know jack shaunie we need to have a real talk here yes you've seen t
he show there have been people who've come on the show who claimed to have never met the person that they ended up talking to okay but then it turned out that they knew them all along okay because this person is in rochester the story feels very it's unusual so i just want to give you an opportunity now to let us know if by any chance you know who this person already is that you're talking to i wish i did that's why i called you guys so i put myself out there to do this coming on tv is going to
embarrass the hell out of me i'm really going to be pissed off if it's not the situation that i've thought that i've had for the last five months i'm not you know one of those type of people i even put myself out there like that so this is kind of huge oh do you know this person you know this person do you know this person yeah you're in trouble someone's lying it's your ex-husband no way is it really very exciting unbelievable so you were lying to us you did catfish us hey i'm nev why don't you
just tell us what's going on did you know it was her oh not until i got like to right by this tree right now i didn't i thought like this was gonna be a first-time meeting uh that's what i'm i'm gonna wonder like what's going what didn't she tell you her name via the texts didn't she say oh my name is shawnee i said my name is sure right this is not sean i don't understand what's your name not a shiny your name is not shawnee no why wouldn't you tell us that because i thought that you guys woul
dn't help me help you do what i'm trying to get my family back together you took every chapter out of the catfish book well he can't fish me in that catfish what did he catfish you because he told me his name was jack that's because you're some stranger hitting him up you know yeah timeout ebony you did all this stuff yeah you lied to us you lied to brandon you lied and cheated your way here for what i felt like i didn't know what else to do honestly we were living in the same house and we weren
't even talking to one another and the kids would see that all the time and i just thought like maybe he could talk to me as a different person how is it that you can just maintain for five months being like the perfect person ever just about and like for 16 years you couldn't even get it together like why can't we do that as brandon and ebony i don't want to have to be somebody else to be loved so did you catfish us and him in order to force this conversation because you could have had this con
versation with him without us theoretically i've tried but we just argue and it made it worse it made everything worse how did you and emily meet i contacted her when i had gotten my heart broken by my ex i was feeling gay for a day so i'm like hey let me just be gay for a day and see what happens i was just going through facebook looking at girls pictures i came across her picture i'm like oh snap this girl is really cute let me just hit her up and see what happens and we hit off right then and
there and then she gave me her number she opened up to me about her personal situations with her family how hard it was for her to come out she made me understand it's okay to be gay i really do love her and she's pretty so that's part of the package to you like she has to be who she looks like i would hope so yeah yeah all right so hold on let me explain what's up here have a seat have a seat basically nine months ago hundred was on facebook and came across a profile of a girl named emily with
pictures of you that like really caught her eye we spent the last couple days looking into this whole situation we found some interesting things you might actually be able to help us make sense out of lay down me come on okay so the big question is do you know a geralyn yeah my ex-girlfriend whoa okay wait but you have a girlfriend now yes with my girlfriend now um me and her broke up last somewhat last year she had went to the army me and jeremy were friends for a while we ended into a relatio
nship we broke up because i was still in love with the other girl so i got back with the other girl it wasn't like an ugly nasty breakup no i literally just told her how it was she took it pretty uh pretty well um whoa okay because the number that honda is currently talking to her on comes up registered to geraldine oh my god i don't know hendra you don't know hundred what is that what do you mean you don't know hundra i've only been talking there for about like four weeks so you mean the whole
nine months thing isn't actually true it's not true so you guys only started talking four weeks ago oh so but you still have been talking to her okay um well obviously she contacted the show right but it's just like it's not true don't know hundred don't like her at all like that me and millie only did it because she has this too wait melanie knew hundra yeah so melanie knows that this is all fake too either you guys are like academy award-winning actors or like uh cause you guys are okay so hol
d on so you and melanie are for real ex girlfriends yeah okay okay and a couple months that's true a month ago hundred contacted you guys and said hey i wanna get on this show catfish i don't know i don't know if it was like that i have no idea there's got to be some reason you're involved in this was it because you thought if we got you could get on the show why would you risk your reputation just to help some girl you don't know if melanie wanted to help her then i love her so i'm gonna help r
eally so you just steal pictures and pretend and talk to people i'm talking to you i can hear you so speak like you think that's cool it's over yeah what's over what's over this whole thing is over what do you mean she spilled the beans y'all playing us alejandra you want to tell us something you knew them already huh but it was still something that needed to be done like as far as me coming out so that was it you just wanted to come out you had to have at least had a reason to want to be on tel
evision i wanted the world to know that i was gay why does the world need to know that you're gay when you're in a culture that hates what you have to become it's not that easy so yeah in a way the world should give i don't know what's going on what's the world gonna take away from this right now you're setting a really bad example for people how because you lied and you also speak on gays like they have a disease butch and like a for a day i feel like i can call them certain names because i've
been in their world for a while on paper like i think your crusade to liberate haitian women across the nation is like beautiful and like there are very real ways that one could do that and this is the worst way to do it this is incredibly selfish you don't look like a hero okay well this is done yeah thank you so why why are you smiling what's funny it's not funny it's just it is and why did you go along with this what what do you have invested in her sucker you are a sucker you corny you are c
orny so a random girl just hits you up on the internet and says like hey will you help me live on national television you're like sure well it wasn't like that i mean she wasn't a random girl i mean we were friends i just don't see you and hundred being friends i don't get that pair though like i mean i wouldn't say we're like the best of friends like i'm like oh now now we're not friends i know if it is thank you for wasting my time i regret all of it you're corny you're not a hero you are a yo
u are a shameful citizen paint the picture of how we ended up here so about nine months ago i got a message like hey taylor have you been i'm like hey you know who is this i don't really remember you and he's like you know it's christian we went to high school together i remember when you transferred from san diego to mckinley that's a very specific detail yeah so when he said that i'm like okay you were there you know me let's talk so i'm like well here here's my number let's text we don't have
to you know keep talking on messenger so we texted for like another week or two and then i was like you know can we talk on the phone so i caught him and we talked and that lasted for like maybe a month and then five months ago just stopped talking to me so we text was there ever any doubt when you talked to him on the phone that his voice sounded like anything other than a guy not at all okay it was definitely a man definitely a guy yeah okay and how were those phone calls like a lot of chemis
try and it just it felt like someone i already knew he's like gentle he's caring we laughed a lot he's very funny so i'm like well let's facetime and he's like oh i can't because my camera's broken i can see you've texted her that's her wait a second [Music] wait that's her number yeah that's her number one plus something jericho's number is christian's number that's christian's old number you never noticed that christian's number was her number no never at all wait a second jericho's number is
christian's number yeah hello no that's not his number now that i talked about yeah but but you have this number for jerrica it's her when i call her like i could call her right now and it's her it's not a guy right but that's the point right so it's definitely her the first number you had for christian before you knew his new number is jerrica's current number so you you knew that there was some weird connection with her and this story which is why you acting surprised is weird to me so when i
asked her about that she said it wasn't her you already called her out because you had it programmed in your phone already yeah i told her i was like this goes back to someone that i've talked to why wouldn't you mention that to us we got here and said oh by the way the first number you had for christian comes back to your friend jerica how could you not immediately say oh yeah i knew that well because i i believe her in my heart i don't believe it's her yeah but like how could you not mention t
hat suspicious brought that up with her you're too smart for this but if i felt like a little bit that it was her then i would be on it that it's her but i in my heart i don't believe it's her you're telling us the truth yes i'm sorry bro honestly like i just really can't say anything more than that i feel horrible and i feel bad but i love that all right let's just be honest can someone just be honest this is stupid i just want someone to tell me the truth this is all bold there is no voice thi
s is what you see is what you get there's nothing no matter like it just got out of hand we know for sure that's not what's going on here i don't what else what do you think is going on i think you guys and taylor are all full we know taylor's best friend has the same phone number as the catfish it doesn't add up none of it you guys aren't fooling anybody it's all bs do you have any additional things to say not at all why don't we take a break a little bit more okay yeah why don't we just take a
quick breather okay all right so uh you just got to hold it there she said the reason she doesn't want to be on the show is because she doesn't want to be deceptive in helping taylor with her plan maybe got cold feet and then these guys got pulled in but yeah right only one person in this room can explain how did you get involved taylor like when you guys added me on facebook and we're just like playing around trying to give you the opportunity to speak your truth and then i will and i'm speaki
ng my truth i wouldn't feel the need so i'll just say it i'm just gonna say so taylor set this up to come on tv and then at some point ask you guys to come on the show yeah okay we kind of got in on at the end you basically you three were gonna be the ones that were the catfish her she was wait hold on taylor you just said that like all of a sudden you're you're like agreeing with the story you're just gonna like casually admit that like they're right and that you've been fully this whole time w
ell are you ready to do that so jerica decided to make it up and i wrote it okay and then jerica said she didn't want to look stupid okay so i was like let me see if someone from atlanta can do it so i wrote her but but i got there why do all that to be on the show to boost your instagram what's the origin point of why we are all sitting on this in these couches right now like i want to be on tv like what we talked to you you sat with us talking about this why we spent time and energy when we do
this like 110 into everything and like that's so they would have said no then i wouldn't even have wrote into the show it's not like i was going to keep finding you that's my fault yeah right no that's ridiculous you don't think anything's your fault the world is like nothing is my fault but this just like you're you look so gross right now i don't even think erica is involved i'm sorry i just think the fact that you went through with this and that you so casually are just saying like okay yeah
that's it i haven't once like even seemed to express any sense of remorse you're like life is gonna be perfect for me anyway so like oops sorry that's how i feel about you right now okay so we saw your video about joshua we've had some long relationships on the show but 11 years is a long time tell us more about this guy he's the sweetest guy in the world even though it might sound crazy like who waits 11 years and who stays along but he's so caring he makes me feel like a million bucks and he
has a nice body you still love my life you were 15 when you met this guy yes where does joshua live when we first met he lived in california and then he moved to texas and then he moved to vegas and then i guess he's back in california and have you guys been dating this whole time yes when we were younger we had an agreement that it's like a don't ask don't tell since we lived so far but now we are like exclusively together and he's like i want to build a family with you i love you i want to mar
ry you yeah is that something you're into the idea of yes i'm willing to do whatever it takes you mentioned that you tried to fly him out to minnesota once i was saving up and i was like hey i actually could fly you out and of course there's excuses oh i can't i have to work what does joshua do it seems like he can never keep a job every time i talk to him like i'm looking for a job oh i have a job i don't have a job stuff like that this is really weird i don't know if he's fishing for money fro
m me have you ever sent him money no and you said when you video chat he doesn't really show his face yeah what's that chance that he's not the guy in the photos it's just weird because i'll try to video chat with him and it's like pitch black and i'm like oh turn on the light oh i'm tired i don't want to turn on the light oh you know the signal sucks classic excuses exactly but i don't know i just i keep pushing all that to the side because i just love this guy to death hello hey how you doing
can we make this a facetime sure all right here we go we're upgrading we're upgrading this way what's up management nice we're trying to find out a little bit more about your friend josh how do you know josh i meet him on facebook okay and are you guys like talking or are you just friends we talking dating his wifey girlfriend justin whoa he was talking to you like he was really he likes you a lot yeah i'm his baby he care about me how long have you guys been talking online wow well so kanini i
have to tell you something we met a girl who has been talking to joshua for 11 years on the internet and she kind of thinks they're dating and he calls her his wifey and all that that's a positive how you doing josh good to meet you nice to meet you too max obviously you know brianna oh how you doing it's been a long time yeah crazy 11 years were you avoiding meeting her i mean like yeah what the face timing yeah there's been times we tried to like video chat and stuff like that but my granny's
computer was garbage so we never really got around to doing that but i wasn't avoiding meeting so many questions i just have to know have you ever saw our relationship like seriously yeah really yeah like relationship not like friendship but like relationships yeah i do then are you talking to any other girls uh there was one yeah i was a few weeks but i stopped talking to her like two weeks ago look it's our job to dig we talked at random we contacted a few other girls that were right on your f
acebook page and they told us they're dating you i mean all of them batting batting a thousand as far as you know the other girls will go i can't recall like multiple at one time you made it seem like it was just me like i'm not talking to nobody that's what hurts yeah i'm you gave her the impression that you thought of yourselves as in or like a real yeah and is that how you felt yes i don't know sort of explain a little bit more about how you met dean and what went down dean and i originally m
et on a website called team chat i had just been on there surfing message boards steve saw a lot of what i was writing on there and it interested him so he decided to message me we exchanged numbers and we really connected we started talking about how we were kind of soul mates what went wrong so about two years into the relationship he disappeared he just fell off the face of the planet didn't return my calls didn't text me anything it was dead silent for about nine months and then i get a phon
e call he says dropped out of high school i'm having issues at home and i didn't want you knowing about these things and did you guys continue talking after that we did i was his emotional crutch just there supporting him and then again he just pooped disappeared wow after about a year he just calls me and said his mom passed away and how he needed someone to talk to so then again i was there supporting him do you see a future with this guy i do want to be with him someday i hope for that throug
hout the years i've become attached to him like i can't let him go oh oh texas is calling catfish headquarters yes my name is joey zoey zoey oh hey zoey we're just trying to find out a little bit more about your friend dean i mean you met like six years ago like on team chat was it like a relationship or yeah um he made me feel special you know we talked about like just about everything have you guys ever video chatted no because he does a video time that was weird and what what kind of like dra
ma has he been going through like what things have happened is in the last few years um like his mom died has he ever mentioned a girl named april uh i don't know all right well zoey listen thank thank you uh just so you know you've been having the exact same relationship with dean as another girl named april word for word for word my advice to you is to forget this guy i don't think he's worth it all right thanks zoe uh good luck with everything geez so april's not even the only girl that dean'
s been giving this whole story to promising to be with i mean if she just happened to be some random girl we reach out to who knows how many other girls he's been doing this how are you doing all right how are you what's up dean right yes sir is it him yeah that's the point good to meet you nice to meet you too how's it going it's going all right all right well come on out i guess not sure what to say this is april as you know oh god you're you which is a surprise for us yeah just curious what w
hy didn't you meet up with us yes one day i mean honestly it was just nerves man um i just overthought myself into a position where i wasn't comfortable and uh i didn't know if she would like me or not you know i mean i was kind of scared on that aspect to be honest okay and how old are you i'm 23. so that's all true and and do you really not have a phone right now no i don't okay and you're just crashing intermittently yeah with dakota you don't have a place to stay um i'm getting things togeth
er getting you know that aspect of my life under control but uh for the for the time being this is where i'm at so everything you've told april is true yes sir [Music] including the unfortunate passing of your mom yes sorry to hear that is there anything that hasn't been true any lies that you've told her what about some of the other girls you've been talking to um i mean those are all just friends i'm not looking for anything right now but we've talked to zoe and it seems like you you know you
you've made a couple friends online some of whom you've met in teen chat like april but then don't meet up with them or make plans there's just a pattern people who've had a story like april's the whole thing with zoe is i never really moved past a point of platonic interest with her in the first place you know she has kids stuff like that and i'm not looking to involve that in the situation that i'm currently in i understand you're trying to get your life together but april's under the impressi
on that you have feelings for her she needs to know very clearly where you stand yeah do you have feelings for her i do honestly i've never connected with somebody like i have with april there's just been nobody else that makes me feel the way i do whenever i do talk to her and i can honestly say right now standing next to her i feel pretty damn great um i mean i wanna you know keep talking to you i'm not gonna go anywhere anymore [Music] but it has to be equal i don't want to be the only one th
at gives a hundred percent it has to be equal to me both ways tell us kind of the story of you and josiah from the beginning like how did you meet i met him on a black gay check we instantly connected later on that night we actually talked and we talked for hours about everything from there our relationship transpired to like this kind of crazy love fest what do you love about him my personality being confident in myself really came from him [Music] [Applause] teaching me how to really accept mi
ne for who i am and we just built this bond you know saying he was my first love what does he want to do recently i know that he's working at home healthy basically doing something he really wanted to do is helping people describe him physically for a second the second pictures that was the quote-unquote supposed to be him brown skin kid birthmark over the eye still cute though maybe now is the chance to see if it could be something more like i said josiah was my first love when you have that ty
pe of bond for so long for someone of course every other guy that comes after that you're going to kind of hold up to a certain standard so it's like you know it's always a question of what if okay i feel like before we get any further when we got your email about your situation one of the guys who helps go through all the emails sent us another email it's very interesting and curious and i think you might be interested oh really here's an email from another guy named malik why don't you read th
is and we can talk about it my name is malik and i am 20 years old for five years on and off i've been in love with a guy named josiah [Music] but we never video chatted or met in person when i started to question him about standing me up he blocked me on facebook hmm okay wow now that's funny i mean even from what he says about josiah the things he do when he gets upset this sounds exactly like josiah when we saw these emails yours and this one and put them next to each other it was like this i
s a little bit more than just a coincidence exactly well so here's what i think we can do we can call malik we should see if they're the same person we don't even know and then we have a problem you know we need to talk because we have an interest in the same guy so wow yeah well then let's give him a call okay hello hey what's up uh even max here we saw your email about josiah and uh we definitely want to help but we're in a little bit of a unique situation here we got another email from anothe
r young man named dj and both of you told very very similar stories we actually don't know yet for sure that you're talking to the same jose so i'm going to introduce you now to dj he's going to come on the phone wow hey malik how you doing what's up dj does these numbers sound familiar to you 267 does he have a facebook page or instagram page so what's his current profile picture he's just wearing like some big glasses with we're definitely talking to the same person would you say like you're i
n love with him yes i'm definitely in love [Music] here's what i'm going to suggest if you guys are cool with sort of teaming up to work on figuring this out together we can come meet you in charlotte and then maybe all go find and talk to josiah all right so we'll see you soon malik thank you thank you guys so much all right man hello how you doing i'm good neve i'm just saying good to meet you man well hello jojo i guess you know these guys hey what's up hi hey nice to finally meet you nice to
finally meet you too hello i miss her not gonna shake my hand this is gonna be fun i just can't believe you're you yeah that's the big story that's the big surprise wow that never happens wow seven years man it took seven years for you to get five yeah um i'm not going to be able to do it with both of them at one time are you scared no i'm not are you scared it's just it's both of y'all yeah i mean we've never had a situation like this so we're all trying to figure it out what was the problem i
don't understand like uh i mean these two different people it's two completely different stories why not like video chat with them or meet up with them i mean because at that time like i had a lot going on we all got things going on jojo if you're gonna let me talk then you know i'll talk but if it makes sense don't jump down my throat let's just figure out how we can make the situation go as best as possible so right now you have the floor what's your deal i'm from philadelphia i'm a home heal
th care aide i'm 22 years old have you always lived in philly or have you lived in other places lived in several different places are there other guys aside from dj and malik that you've been talking to for a long time on the internet no they're the only two the only two do you have a kid yes i do have a son two years old are you in a relationship with the mother no i'm not in a relationship with the mother great what other sort of bigger details about your life that we don't know or maybe we th
ink we know well right now i'm currently in a relationship we've been together for two years wow two years in real life yes that's why i haven't been able to use skype or you know me when i'm on the phone malik my boyfriend's not around if i'm texting malik or dj you know even if i'm laying in bed with him i'll turn to the side you know so oh wow so you smart you smart okay i mean y'all have every right to be upset upset is that i mean it's an understatement it's nothing i mean only thing i real
ly can say is sorry and try to give you guys answers but it's not it's nothing else i can really do but why do it for so long i have a special type of connection with y'all like it's it's kind of hard to let y'all go it's it's difficult what are your feelings towards these guys i love both of them i mean i might love one more than the other but i love both of them who well i mean i like i love dj more than you know but it's only because you know i know i'm so long i mean i'm not trying to hurt y
ou only thing i can say is sorry so tell us this whole story going all the way back to when you first met shayna well it started off on facebook i saw her my people you may know and instantly i just started hitting her up and she replied back she told me she was 21 and i was 17 so i felt like the big guy around here this is stuff nice older thing i like that so we got into a relationship and i was supposed to meet her in new jersey but she disappeared on me did she ever explain what happened or
the whole time that we've been talking has been excuses about everything like i got called into work or i got bad service why we can't video chat you kept talking obviously after like she always knew what to say to get me back yeah so me and her was just talking then a year after she disappeared and then i got a weird message in my email and it was her friend destiny lopez she said hey shayna was my friend and she passed away had you ever heard of destiny before she just was a random friend of s
he's a random person wow so i was feeling heartbroken i was hurt and i cared about her and i loved her so i'm like i just lost a girl that i never even met yet anyways dude it was like hard for me to move on i was talking to other girls and stuff like that and then i started dating other girls but it was just hard when shayna died did her facebook page go away or did it just disappear and then two years later i'm scrolling on facebook and it says people you ain't know shane of the ass quiz sorry
you find out from his friend that she died and you don't talk to her for two years two years and then all of a sudden she pops up i'm scrolling on facebook and i start hitting her with messages i'm like are you kidding me it's been two years i thought you went down like that like where did you know and then she told me i apologize i've been going through stuff i just got out of a bad relationship it was a violent relationship and i didn't know how to handle and stuff like she always needed to g
et me back when she popped back up i was in a relationship and what happened to that relationship oh we broke up i think it had something to do with shayna being back uh-huh she got me texting her and stuff like that you know man texting a dead girl yeah you broke up with a real living person for a facebook zombie you must really love shane i do i love her eight years is a long time to be waiting man they're gonna figure this out there i'm ready we got you here we go utica new york hello yeah oh
hey what's up man we saw you were friends with a girl named shayna oh you sit there oh like date in real life in person we messaged for like four or five months but we've never seen each other personally wow when and when was that last year and what happened why didn't you guys ever meet up because you see my future's always playing games did you ever have any like proof that shayna lived in syracuse yeah she said she seen me last month she said she called my name i didn't hear somebody say my
name but i didn't see who it was then she messaged you like hey i saw you at your work that's creepy yeah whoa that's some like shady stalker yeah and did she ever mention her friend destiny yeah she's messaging me a few times what's destiny's facebook can you respond in a link to her page or something oh yeah i could do that i got messages from her too oh great do you know anyone that's ever met up with her or seen her one of my bros baby say he's messing with her so you're telling me there's a
nother guy in syracuse who's been talking her for that long that's crazy i'd love to talk to pape if you can send me his info all right thanks so much bye whoa wow this just took another turn next level man this girl is talking to lots of guys two eight-year relationships and she's like seeing these guys and texting them like oh i just called your name out at your work oh boy hello hey what's up babe we're trying to figure out what's going on with this girl shayna oh she's a true catholic true c
atholic it's our it's official how do you know her for years and like she gives me an address right i drive 40 miles out to go [Music] and i think they might actually be the same person i think so man we're going to try and figure this out man all right man god bless y'all all right god bless thank you how you doing i'm neve hi of course you know cj we don't know who you are rebecca rebecca okay nice to finally meet you do you want to explain what's going on here i don't i don't even know where
to start what what's your deal i i mean what a shade of is true what's not true who who are you i think shayna as a general person that's really who i am yeah maybe the personality yeah i got a question so this whole time he was in syracuse yeah why did you tell me that you live in new jersey i made up like new jersey and other places i lived to try to like get away from the situation because i felt bad how did you keep it for like eight years like just didn't tell anybody so if you if you never
had any intentions on meeting him what was the point of all of this [Music] honestly i don't know i had a lot when i made the facebook i was in a situation um trying to catch the person i was with cheating so i made the facebook to do that that's how i ended up talking to cj how did you get all those pictures though some girl that was friends with my son on facebook oh how many kids you have five wow do you really have a daughter i do i call her was she really sick and stuff no so you set up a
gofundme page for a daughter with fake cancer that's seriously sick were you i think i was just i was trying to cover the lie that i had told him i wasn't i didn't have like it wasn't oh well i'm just going to rob people of their money it was another lie to cover another lie to cover another lie who's destiny [Music] me are you serious why did you tell me that you died i just like i really just wanted to be done with the situation i didn't want to keep lying but then i felt bad because you were
really hurt over but then you started talking to other people as destiny and obviously continue talking as shayna too because we reached out to a handful of people on shayna's facebook page and most of them having very similar stories to cj if if you've done it to one person you you maybe could say you felt bad but to see that you've been doing it to i don't even know how many i mean do you even know how many people you've talked to was hurt no most of them minus cj was more or less to just keep
keep that image going so that people wouldn't think that it was a fake facebook i never took those conversations seriously it wasn't well they did take it seriously i understand the the original reason for making the shannon profile was something else but when you met cj was it just for fun to talk to him i really i really cared about like i really started having feelings for him right but but he was 17 and you're not in your 20s no offense how old are you 38. wow so okay you were 30 when you m
et it yeah i didn't really think about it but you knew he was 17 when you met him yeah that's kind of messed up like it's one thing to to mess with people your own age but like to mess with a kid for eight years of his like young adult life i don't know i'm just hurt about it like because i wasn't trying to hurt you that's not true he had girlfriends that you with yeah when i was in a relationship with stuff when you sabotaged some of my relationships and he was in a relationship with other peop
le some of them never texted or messaged any of the girls he was dating i don't remember that are you serious that's that's crazy i gotta go we just read your email you spent was it about six months talking to this guy and established a really serious connection with him yeah you know we met on tinder i was like oh my gosh you know you're so pretty here i am a single mother of two there's no way you're gonna want to talk to me but i said ah let's give it a try so i swiped right pops up we're a m
atch and then eventually we had like our first phone conversation and we just really emotionally connected like every day anywhere between an hour two hours a day we're on the phone you know send pictures to one another and he was just really supportive of everything he was okay with the fact that i have kids but when he wants to make things exclusive it just kind of scared me just because we hadn't even met yet you kind of did your homework and you found out that this guy might be using someone
else's photos i actually didn't do my homework as well as my girlfriends did my homework they did the image search and it came up linked to someone else and i don't think i'm the only person he's doing this to because somebody reached out to me who had been talking to lucas also she lives in new york she got a hold of me just based off of the ladies that he was following to let girls know that he's not him wow also he talked me into sending him private photos and i believe that's what he does t
o everybody wow this guy oh my god are you afraid that if you expose him that he might release some pictures it's crossed my mind but i haven't confronted him about it because i think he has a suspicion that i know that he's not who he said he was a girl contacted me her name's ursula and she says beware of the scammer lucas he's pretending to be somebody he's not and he's developing relationships with other women all of which i didn't necessarily ask her about it it's a hard thing to know that
you are sending private photos you know i may have done playboy and i may be a dancer but when i send you a personal picture it's because i trust you and it's disturbing to think that he's taking advantage of other women that way too pretty a sinister thought yeah no it's disgusting we got to figure out who this guy is at the moment it looks like ursula probably knows the most right so maybe we should video chat with her just to make sure she's legit absolutely okay [Music] whoa hi guys how are
you good really good thanks for answering my call obviously i don't know if you recognize jaime hey hi nice to meet you we've been talking a lot about you and we have so many questions and we're trying to figure all this out can you explain to us what happened with you and lucas and everything that you've figured out yeah we met off tinder he told me he was living in missouri and then he told me he was moving to new york city for an internship at a technology company in new york yeah and then i
basically found out that he's not who he really is because i booked a flight to missouri so he came clean but you booked a flight to missouri did you go no i didn't go no i didn't go you told him that you bought your ticket and then he realized he better tell you the truth yeah what did he tell ya i'm not who i been saying i am i'm not the guy in the pictures jamie sent him pictures some of them nudes did you ever send him similar yes i did send him intimate photos and videos this is what i thin
k he does gets into an intimate relationship with these girls gets nudes from them and then after a while he'll reveal himself and then just block these girls and he's probably still doing that i guess he blocked you too yeah okay so how did you find out about all these other girls when he told me that he's not the guy in the pictures i screenshotted some of the girls that were following him and then i reached out to the that's how i found jamie so considering that you've both been involved in t
his we could try and do this together i think it'd be more powerful for him to be confronted by both of you than just one of you absolutely why don't we bring you up to speed yesterday we sort of figured okay let's search for his number see if it comes up with any names it came back registered to someone named zack looks like he wasn't saying louis so then we just searched zach on facebook we found a page could this be him wait i've i feel like i've seen that before and he tells me i'm not the g
uy in the pictures i'm like show me proof like prove it to me so he sent me a picture that is him oh man that's definitely the same guy yeah so we got our guy now we asked the women on our crew to try and follow him and he accepted so paige is obviously very much up and the last picture that he posted was 17 hours ago that's messed up because when he was apologizing to me he told me i'm the last one which is obviously bull when i asked him why he's been doing this to us and other women he called
us an experiment but he admitted to me he's the catfish over 400 girls what 400 are you kidding gross what just got a weird text message this is from mike in casting hey guys hope all is well with you we were just contacted by a woman named sarah she was catfished by a guy named lucas we think this could be connected to the story you're currently filming let's call her hi sarah hi how are you it's nevin max so someone from our casting just saw an email that you sent about this guy that you're t
alking to lucas yeah we matched on tinder actually we were just talking with the idea of a future relationship since he had told me that he's moving to dallas from i think missouri i figured out that he was lying to me we're sitting with two girls ursula and jamie so these girls also met lucas on tinder what's become very apparent is that this guy zach has been doing this for years to maybe hundreds of women across the country and so if we go to missouri to find him and confront him would you be
willing to meet us there too because i think the more people we bring the more powerful the message might be yeah i'd be happy to come hello hey what's up are you zach yes this is me hi hi how are you i'm great you're who i was texting with earlier and you know these three young women i do i do why don't you come on out for a second yeah sure so i don't know if you have something you want to start with because we we've a lot we want to say obviously yeah so um i don't know where to begin okay w
hy don't you start with who you are okay and how this all started okay um as you guys knew me as lucas um i'm zach it's my real name this all started just over a year ago i was curious about someone who was as attractive as lucas the kind of reception they would get on tinder versus zach myself i started to really enjoy the attention i was getting from people i'd never gotten attention from before and that to me was something i'd never experienced and i was i was really happy about that and that
's the that's where it started how many how many girls too many um that i talked personally with i got their numbers like 400. that's disgusting that's disgusting i mean that's one of the blunders of online dating is um you start talking to these people casually and it's not casual talk when you have to photoshop photos and take an hour to make a fake video that's not casual talk that's deliberate lying i recognize like 100 that that is not okay so why do if it's not okay i at that time i didn't
think twice of it have you ever hurt that bad like has anybody ever crushed you maybe once twice well it's happened to me a lot i didn't need somebody else to come along and manipulate me and take time away from my kids and my family are you thinking of the impact of your actions when you do these things honestly no you know like that's the selfish part [Music] because i haven't really had the opportunity to possibly want to say it's not about having the opportunity yeah oh no just doing it yea
h yeah there were a lot of lines that you crossed soliciting naked photos from them was a huge line that you crossed okay and i'd like to address that yeah address that yes yeah i can't just stand here and say like that wasn't interesting because that was but that wasn't the point that's i think you're like what do you do with the photos are they only on your computer and file folders with lisa jan steph ursula you save them because i'm betting money that you do i deleted them i'm not proud of t
hat side of it that's the side though that fished all these girls this whole thing is nothing to be proud of i really have a hard time believing you delete the photos yeah you guys can look if you want to have your phone on you yeah let's look at the phone let's start with the phone hold on are you deleting stuff right now no no i'm not i'm just i'm like i'm scrolling back and forth so here we know how to scroll through a phone yeah okay here just kidding and i i would normally say your privacy
would be something i care about but in this case i swear you you're recording on the name yeah we're for our conversation yeah you're recording all this um are you kidding me oh that's so stuck yeah lightning look neebs just take a step back look over your shoulder don't worry about him he'll find or not find whatever he's looking for yeah yeah i'm finding some stuff on your phone okay i didn't i didn't like scrutinize like i don't know but you know i know enough about how to keep things private
to know to look in your google drive okay i didn't think i was going to go into i found one list that you keep in your google drive list of girls jamie in parentheses next to it says portland former playboy model and then you have a status list underneath and for megan it says on the level of saying i love you lives in vegas doesn't know she's being catfished lauren also on the level of saying i love you lives in palm springs i think doesn't know she's being catfished deborah been talking for a
while she lives in illinois wants to meet lucas badly watch out for that subject doesn't know she's being catfished jamie talking since november ursula told her she's being catfished how do we know this is like truly over because you don't really seem to give it it's not fun anymore at this point to have something going just to know that it's going to come to an end for me as bad as like something like this is all right so we'll we'll just be in touch and let you know about maybe meeting back u
p thanks guys all right see you later miss you all wait what what'd you say at the end miss you all yeah like what is that that just sounded like a joke like did you really say miss you all like a playful like that was a lot of playful dude like you really seem like a huge pet yeah so think about that working on it dude this guy that you've been talking to on the internet is sort of the most tame normal stable and stable thing in my life yeah you've ever had he knew what to say you know he knew
how to you know measure up and deal with me handling like a personal death he's been there for that he's been there and he's responded in ways that you needed yeah i want that just as much in person than i do like through a texting what do your friends think about the situation they don't know what's going on completely um i've actually like spent money on him what does that mean what kind of money like i probably spent at least two grand worth on what just like clothes buying him gifts has he e
ver sent you a picture of him with the stuff you've sent him no never not even like of the stuff no he's only done it once like when i sent him the biggest box i got him like a thousand dollar camera whoa yeah a camera that can do what take a picture take videos like a cannon like the big nice ones water like this big but he knew you didn't have money it wasn't like i've only sent him money once um i sent my money over 100 but he never sent you a thank you note no when my birthday came around i
asked him to send me a birthday card and he couldn't even do that so believe me how devastated i mean oh my god [Music] wow it really looks like him very interesting it's definitely him yeah i mean it's definitely the guy oh my god oh my god hi oh my god how are you good what's up man what's going on nothing you're doing pretty good oh yeah you look good this is my cousin julius hey what's up man somebody put a mic on yeah can we can we put a microphone on you this is pretty weird you're telling
me thank you for meeting us i know there were some concerns we're all very happy that you showed up it's not really easy to be on tv having made three seasons of the show i am very surprised to see you i just like a real i don't know like i have a comfort zone and i don't usually tend to go out of my comfort zone sometimes that's just how i handle stuff so it took a while you know i mean and now we're here what was the reason that you guys hadn't ever talked on the phone pretty weird that's on
me 100 my comfort is like texting and i don't know just like a lot of my real close family gets mad at me because texting is just kind of like i'm comfortable with she got mad at me but i was more than mad why wouldn't you have answered though even if it's your comfort zone like you couldn't even just say hey like i can't talk right now it wasn't that difficult to even just say like three words right but some of the times like i don't know but then you prolonged it for two years yeah i'm i'm sor
ry that's like not really my thing let me ask you why would you never send me something back when i have asked you even like for just a simple birthday quad but i i told you from the beginning like i accept your gifts like okay yeah you can't even spend a dollar you couldn't go to the dollar store and get a birthday card and 35 cents for a stamp and an envelope i told you from the beginning i appreciate everything you sent me and i told you a couple of times that you shouldn't send me this becau
se i don't feel comfortable with taking all of this i can't send you anything in return what do you mean when you say i i can't send you anything for a while it's just financially but i mean like a postcard that's literally like maybe two dollars yeah like you know i'm sorry i didn't know that really meant something to you as a postcard like i thought that me and you were like cool we're here because you have a girlfriend what is it about her that you like so much i don't have anyone in my life
right now who makes me feel the way she makes me feel and she's really hot i feel comfortable with her i'm not a very open person and i feel like with alicia i can show my real personality but has she ever explained why she won't meet you no one really knows that she's gay so that's a reason yeah she's been with girls before but her family's never known of her having a girlfriend have you and alicia ever had an argument yeah she wanted me to buy her phone because her phone had broke and at first
i wasn't really into that like i don't know about that so she got mad at me she's like how am i supposed to talk to you if i have no phone so i brought her a phone really you did yeah wait time out yeah wait you bought her like a nice iphone you bought her an iphone how did you buy her the phone she's like eco western union to me i'm like okay because she wouldn't tell you her address have there been any other gifts that you've given her or things that she's asked for since we've been dating i
probably sent her a total of six hundred dollars wow i mean that's a lot i mean for someone in your situation just from everything you've told us it's very possible that this person is lying to you it is and that's why i can't take it anymore i i love her to death but i i can't continue having a relationship through a mobile phone hello hi alicia yeah came here obviously to introduce you to olia you guys know each other clearly [Music] you don't have anything to say i had to say girl if i wanted
to meet you we stay in the same city i would have made that happen so you don't want to you didn't want to go what's this out here about you have a boyfriend yeah is it true and what yeah it's true anyway so what about us there's nothing with you what you mean it's nothing oh my god i didn't send you money i didn't i didn't bought you a phone it was a lie what like you embarrassed me you embarrass yourself by doing all this you could have been told me this like i talked to you every day you cou
ldn't tell me so i don't know feelings i didn't want to hurt your feelings but it's okay to hurt them now you wanted this so you got it what did you want i guess i got what i wanted and what was that whatever you gave me i need all that back what about your job you is my job it's not that you might have feelings girl whatever you ain't even got a job like you're not even worth my time right okay then you know how much you're saying you're wasting your time why are you here why are you all here t
hen obviously i thought you loved me well you thought wrong well you told her you loved her so so how is it that you came to meet sydney it was a friend you may know we started talking there just caring puts others for her she's a family person you know she's telling me she's going through a lot she was taking care of her daughter her little sister and her grandmother because her mother was in jail wow that's a i mean so she's got her hands full how old's her little sister oh i believe she's six
oh like really little how old is her daughter the daughter's about seven or eight one oh sure she's got like a newborn yeah but recently her grandmother passed away when she passed away she had to move out so she's been living in a shelter has she ever asked you for money well like the first two weeks that when we were speaking she told me i'd like to help her out with some money to feed the kids and stuff so i sent her some money how much it was 60 bucks that's it yeah okay in the last five mo
nths yeah when you send her the money like how are you sending it western union like to her name well she said that she didn't have an id so she told me to get a security question her pet dog named noble so that's how she can pick up the money right keyword snowball yeah but that means that when she goes to pick up the money she doesn't have to show an idea she can just say my pet's name is snowball so okay there there's some sketchy things here i see a woman i think this is our girl the girl fr
om the picture though right not the girl from the pictures hi hi sydney i presume yes um max what's your name may your nay yeah okay nay hi hi neve [Music] are you the person we've been talking to and the person louis has been talking to and how did you find that girl whose pictures you used you know those things when they're on facebook and it's like like if you like mcdonald's okay i scrolled down through the flags and i found her and i seen that she lived really far away from dallas so i just
kind of took her pictures blocked her from the page and so you found her profile randomly downloaded her photos [Music] blocked her and then you just made up the rest yeah because when we spoke yesterday i asked you yeah if you were here in the pictures because i didn't think you were i think um i really didn't think that i would even show up today well we're glad that you did yes okay so what's true and what's not true um are you really staying in a shelter no no okay is your mother in prison
no and did your grandmother die no wow why would you make that stuff up uh i mean it was just i don't know like at the time it's just hard to explain i guess all right well we're here so so take work take a deep breath and explain okay at a point in time i was just really struggling i guess i just had my baby okay but you do have an infant yes that's true okay and was like okay baby's gonna need milk baby's gonna need diapers baby's gonna need clothes and and i was just talking to lewis like to
get them to send me money and lewis sent you some money yeah okay i mean that's messed up what kind of person does that i mean i mean i understand you were having a hard time but like to lie about who you were and sort of lead them on and get loosed and give you money what you're describing is a con artist i mean i know it doesn't sound like that to you no i mean because i'm not that's not who i am like i basically only did that because of my situation at the time i was just struggling really ba
d so you're not homeless no so where do you live with my mom does your baby dad live with you no is he involved at all with you and them and no no but you live with your mom yes so for the most part your basic needs are met um yeah because of me not nobody else but you work for for money no no [Music] so when you say you're struggling and you need money it's because your family doesn't have a lot of money and you need to get things for you and your kids yes what about getting a a job what's paul
o's money situation she didn't really have any money has she ever asked you to help her out no she would just kind of say that her phone's going to get cut off or something and it's been like a couple times where i paid their phone bill i got her a wii and then i got a new phone what else have you done i gave her my bank information what yeah dude have you ever just sent her money yeah do one of those prepaid cards that you put money on how much couple thousand maybe [Music] jesus man that's cra
zy [Music] i'm going to assume that your name is lloyda yeah [Music] i have a lot to say to you first off i don't understand how even after me buying you all those things and being there for you and stuff how you keep lying to me how you kept it going i gave you a lot of time to tell them the truth and you kept on lying to me he basically took advantage of me and that's pretty like can you tell me why you even made that fake profile just boredom i honestly wasn't looking to meet anybody off of i
t i was just bored and made a fake profile you just that's it nothing else i'm sorry i mean all that money i spent on you are you gonna pay me back you gonna give me the stuff what do you wanna take the stuff yeah i mean obviously you know we came a long way so you guys can meet because i think ramon deserves an explanation i didn't think any any relationship was gonna form with him all of it was real just that the appearance that's the only thing that was fake okay yes it was yes it was not rig
ht i know it's not right you spent over three thousand freaking dollars on me do you not think i don't feel bad i'm surrounded by that every single day you couldn't have like came clean after all that if you felt bad i tried to come clean you tried to complain you know i try to come clean you know i try to come clean please don't you know i tried to come clean to you several times yes and every single time yes i did you were acting all sad you knew [Music] hi hello loida louis thank you for uh h
aving us over well you're welcome your daughter's been having a relationship with ramon for quite some time now he wanted to come over here and ask you guys some questions just so we could try to walk away from this at least knowing sort of the whole picture as far as you knew your daughter was in a relationship with ramon yes did you know that she was pretending to be somebody else yes i was aware of the whole thing this is my sister and i love her to death but i'm i'mma say it regardless lloyd
a flat out lied to ramon this guy was sending gifts very generous gifts he won to a girl who wanted to right didn't it bother you that there was a guy who was sending your daughter lots of things and he thought he was sending it to somebody else no no no no no cut it right there when he started sending her expensive gift like for example the week laura mentioned to me mommy i think this is going to fart she decided to tell him the truth and he stopped her and told her i don't want to hear it i d
idn't want to get that face out of my head and everything that name [Music] well they looked at your page your real page and found a picture of a ring and a message that looked like it was for me he sent her that ring i never sent an urban at all when lloyda opened the envelope it had your name on it you did send that to her ramo i never sent in her ring if he's saying he didn't send it sorry to tell you ramon somebody pretend to be him and he doesn't know lloyd you want to explain that to your
mom for us what how that all happened what happened the ring the ring ramone gave you money it was birthday money you went online you bought yourself a ring you mailed it to yourself and then in front of your mother you lied to her and told her he had sent it to you am i wrong are you surprised though that that she sent the ring whatever no not not whatever it's important these details are important whatever you're not really hearing everything no you're your daughter's a liar my daughter's a li
ar what about ramon ramon has his own issues to deal with i i can't see that so you met wayne in a facebook chat room it was like a meeting a flirt and meat type of group flirting meat huh it's like slip and slide yeah i guess you gonna slip and slide at somebody dim i guess i don't know you know i was trying to flirt with somebody else but every time i post a picture this man was liking it he was not giving up neither he's like you so cute like oh my god just so gorgeous this guy totally wore y
ou down with persistence and flattery yes can we see the picture do you have it yeah that's a that's a handsome built guy yeah he must work out he works out but things were good for a while that's when i asked him to video chat okay he didn't want to or just he couldn't talk right now i mean a guy with a face like that should be shown to the world he should pick that fake foam up in black look at my face and then for some reason you started getting calls from private numbers yeah what happened t
o his phone and he said that it was broken he like i got to get a new phone then he asked you for money no i offered do you need help you know getting one you're like well i want to facetime with you so right i got 300 bucks for you yeah sarah rule once then passed here come that private number again i'm like so why are you calling me like this it was ridiculous i want to know who else this is over here these are nice houses it's not bad this guy doesn't look like he needs 300 for an iphone is t
here like a shack at the end of the street no this this is it this is damn okay we got a suburban and uh some rims no there's no way this is his house but what's with the 300 exactly oh hold on here's a car it's a maserati oh wow it's not pulling up to this house right now yeah is that could that be wayne you know maserati could it be what is happening [Music] what [Music] is this the guy he's getting out of the car should we should i get out yeah how are you doing what's up what's your name dwy
ane you're wayne yeah i'm max what's up hey how are you doing neve what's up how you doing this is robin you're the one we've been texting with yeah and who's been talking to her for the last three years yeah okay and this is your place yeah okay so what yeah what's the story the story i mean i'm pretty sure y'all already know we don't not really i know what we have no idea to be honest all we found out was that you weren't the guy in the pictures i mean it's a reese's favorite thing so what's t
eam skylar oh that's my company we do a lot of work in the community we do a motivation speaking i do investments and i do a whole lot so okay so we'll i want to hear more about that later so what's with the weird cell phone business and the fake picture i don't get it yeah i mean it's more or less like i wanted to know that she was who she said [ __ ] like i want to know that she was real i mean people see the houses they see the cars they see the materialistic things and people be fake with yo
u so dealing with robin was something that was solid you know what i'm saying it was like she didn't see all the materialistic stuff she liked me for me so even to me having her send me one money at one point in time that comes from me wanting to know if she was really like me for me you got the money and then and then you ain't never get the phones well i had the phone cause i didn't need the phone they were just trying to see like i was like a test a test to see what she'd do it you know i mea
n yeah but then you kind of left her high and dry [Music] what do you make of all this i don't know because this is like stupid you just lining it just lying why you just waited for cause i couldn't three years no no listen three years you waited to just keep stringing string and stringing me along like a little little old dog or whatever on the leash you hear nelson when you're gonna come home or not which one you want you want the maserati i'm just saying look at us a blessing we're very curio
us how this child that's yours and hers came to pass what what's the story there she did not want to take the time off and be pregnant neither did i so we decided to let's have a surrogate so i would send her money every time i got paid but she did everything on her own without even me knowing and i just found out about the baby two weeks after he was born i don't even know what the baby looks like wait hold on what do you mean you don't know what the baby looks like you haven't seen a picture n
o so you don't even necessarily know there's a recipe there's no baby there is a baby because when i talk to her on the phone i hear the baby in the background i really think she meant for it to be a surprise surprise here's the baby that we talked about you weren't there for its birth i was a little mad about that a little how have you not seen a picture well she said that her camera is broken oh come on this is insane this is insane is it a boy or a girl it's a boy his name is jeremiah but i n
icknamed him baby jojo all right well look i definitely want to help because you need it this whole situation needs help if it's true that she went ahead and had some kid born behind your back that's so far removed from what actual parenting should look like that i don't think you've been given an opportunity to even be a parent yet i get what you're saying but i just don't believe that there's not a baby there might be a baby not saying there isn't a kid neve is saying that you weren't included
in fact you were excluded in a very deceitful mean way i think therefore you are like you are off the hook i disagree she makes me feel included even though i haven't seen him yet i've already put my time money love and affection into this relationship how much money have you put into this like a thousand being that i sent her money she had to use the id to go get it that has to be her it can only be picked up by someone showing id yes well that's something [Music] uh oh here it goes door's ope
ning hey is courtney here no are you kidding me that's not courtney what's your name brittany courtney's sister right yes we don't really have any proof that it is britney aside from the phone number it could be registered under some kind of family plan ain't mean for it to happen like this are you the person kiara's been talking to yes this is uh brittany courtney sister so this whole time it was you i'm sorry no baby i mean i don't have a baby so the baby in the background it's my sister's my
feelings are genuine i mean i just look different i don't so what was the point of using your sister like you weren't going to be interested in me i mean well you don't know that but you write you don't know that i'm sorry i mean sorry you're not really cutting it like i spent my money time energy we had so many plans and all you have is i'm sorry we can still have those plans i just look different i mean yeah i know but the the real issue here is not that you use pictures of your sister it's th
e baby you made me feel like i had a whole child but i thought that i had somebody that i can love and would love me unconditionally and now i'm just not a mom anymore like you took a feeling of a baby away from me and it's not okay are you doing this to other girls too no are you receiving money from other girls no are you talking this is not the first time i ever this is the first time i ever did something like this i'm not even this type of person i still don't believe it so are you not inter
ested in that how could i be like how how how did you think i was going to react i didn't think it was going to be a positive reaction but come on after two years i mean so it's just that easy you were you is you're supposed to bring in it's just that first of all first of all you're not gonna play victim here because you're not the victim there's no child you're not courtney you're brittany and yet i'm supposed to just be okay and we live happily ever after seriously like logically did you thin
k that that was gonna be my mindset [Music] does your sister know that you used her pictures and her name on a dating app no so how are you picking up the money that i was sending you it's my sister i mean it's not that hard we stay in the same house i'm easily walking into our room and her wallet's right there like i would take her id and they never like never questioned that does she know that you were doing that you know [Music] i made some bad decisions but i want to work through it obviousl
y through how about you work about giving my money back that's probably that's not a problem i mean so if it's not a problem why did you take my money in the beginning i have a girl right here of course it makes me feel guilty we just read your email we've got a lot of questions first of all how did you meet elijah well we talked a lot on myspace and messaged back and forth he was always giving me good advice and really like there for me when i didn't know anybody else our relationships kind of
grew really fast and like i confided in him and told him all my secrets and then one day just he went offline one day i signed onto myspace to like message him and his profile was just completely gone wow [Music] it just says the user does not exist at first i was really sad and like i kind of thought like maybe i did something wrong but two years after elijah disappears on myspace all of a sudden he pops up on facebook yeah exactly he messaged me saying i used to talk to a girl named selana and
like i'm hoping it's you and if it's you like reply to me i didn't want to let someone back into my life that was just going to walk out and i told him to text me but he didn't have a phone i mean he didn't have a phone he still doesn't do you really believe that not really i i mean i don't know i mean everybody has a phone he has a texting app on an ipod you are still holding on to this yeah there's a big question lingering from my past but you've also started dating this danny guy i really li
ke danny and he's good to me which is really awesome he's a great guy does he know that you reached out to us yeah i told him and honestly he really wants me to be happy so he's been supportive which is really awesome because most guys would be like screw you i'm out of here inviting us to come into your life and connect you with elijah is only going to cause waves are you ready for that i just need to solve this thing because it's been lingering and it's been basically holding me back from comm
itting fully to danny and that's not fair to him i don't want to wonder what if about this person for the rest of my life you were pursuing elijah there for a while and he was pursuing you were you thinking yes leading to kind of a reboot sort of relationship 2.0 definitely our relationship was like evolving a couple months later you met danny yeah that was great timing he's willing to let you discover who elijah is he just wants me to be happy but you think elijah kind of could always be coming
in and out of your life i prefer a few to stay in my life because it's just confusing it messes up my other relationships i just want something stable because my whole life has been up and down and rocky and all over the place i just want like a safe place and i don't know if that person can be elijah or not you're sort of holding on to an idea that this guy that you kind of fell in love with when you were 13 could be the one for you yeah it's like torn between the two oh my god dang the gorgeo
us hi hi how are you i'm awesome you didn't give up psych this is crazy oh my gosh i can't believe i'm meeting you right now it's insane how's it feel to be here actually you weren't expecting the beer where are you we were expecting you how are you i'm awesome nervous now they're real real they're real is the hair real yeah my hair's blue wow i think we're all in a little bit of shock that was joshua yeah my older brother it was turning into my hair i gotta make the mop look good i'm nev nice t
o meet you nice to meet you guys i'm max nice nice to meet you your name is elijah yeah the whole time it's been you talking i'm the one you know and this is your family's house and how old are you i'm 20. why couldn't you audio chat or video chat i have skype with people for a while but then that computer broke so i don't really have a webcam for that anymore we just saw the youtube videos i didn't use like a webcam or anything for that i bought like a really nice camera after i got a job you k
now but you still have your video camera right i mean no i sold that to help pay for rent sucks but and what about not having a phone having a phone yeah i just use my ipod right now by the way i don't have money really don't see that i don't yeah it's like generation two this is what you have yeah text me app yep text plus oh and there is no camera no so far everything we thought you were you are i don't know i'm just like kind of overwhelmed right now from your point of view what happened it j
ust started when i got on myspace and it was kind of like a suggested person even knowing she had my style so i was like you're cute you know i'll talk to you over time she was someone that made me feel you know being myself you would you know like and it's nice to feel that way hey wow look at the new hairdo it's purple it's pretty fun wait can you hold up your hand again yeah what is that it's a wedding ring what i try to get it close what you got married yes me and danny went to the courthous
e and got married oh my god he put a ring on it is he there danny what did you think of her tattoo when she came home it's good artwork i liked it now they have like a little tight bond does that bother you no well you guys seem pretty happy it's been good we've had a lot of fun congrats yeah just enjoy the honeymoon we are enjoying it definitely see you later salah [Music] [Applause] hi hi hi candace i'm gone good we just read your email yeah and you're in a very interesting situation a little
complicated uh yeah yeah it's definitely complicated you're married right now yes and what's his name we met in army training in the military and you have a four-year-old daughter yes my daughter's name's addison cute name we call her abby so kind of explain to us things with your husband or maybe a little estranged at the moment um janie is a good person it's the communication that we have issues with he's just hard to talk to he's been overseas or the military and he's very shut down about any
thing emotional you know my childhood was pretty rough quite a few traumatic experiences that i've been through so i need that emotional outlet but trying to communicate with my husband is like trying to talk to the wall since you guys have been married have you been together for most of that time or yes we've never broken up there's never been any kind of infidelity on either side this is the first thing that i'm gonna have to confess that is gonna kill him that's the biggest part i'm nervous a
bout it's trying to tell him about it okay so walk us through meeting titus i met him on a local shopping app what were you trying to sell a purse a purse yes pretty much my job is buying and reselling fashion items and a guy was looking at the purse item for sale yeah basically [Laughter] [Music] did it sell since that yes but not to him he wasn't interested in buying it at all he was just interested in hitting me up i guess so we've been talking for a few months small chit chat led into tellin
g him all my life secrets wow there was somebody giving me attention and listening to what i had to say for once it just really felt amazing have you ever imagined what it might be like if you did eventually meet him i can't lie i thought about it you never sexted or never sent in dirty pictures or anything like that but i did kind of think you know the grass might be greater on the other side you know that doing this is going to create a situation in which you have to confess something to your
husband i guess my big question is why make a mountain out of this molehill well titus is giving me the emotional support they need [Music] but he knows more about me than i know about him i want to know who i've told all of my secrets to well i mean look if giving you the opportunity to meet titus so that you can not wonder who is this person is the best thing for you and your family then like that's what we need to do so one day you're on the internet and what happens i get a message from titu
s he's just giving me a compliment on my profile picture and from there we started small talking and it felt really easy to talk to him it felt like the outlet that i've been longing for just appeared in my phone and it progressed into really emotional conversations all about me and it felt good you did say that you guys have tried to meet up right yes i was trying to get him to meet me i just wanted to tell him thank you and clear the air so that i could tell my husband but he refused he didn't
want to meet me and it's hard to tell my husband when i don't even know who i'm telling him about i mean we haven't done right any research yet but we found that when someone lives close to you right and won't either meet you or get on the phone with you it's generally because their voice will give them away either they're someone you know already or they're someone of the opposite sex if he's not who he says he is i would like to know who i'm talking to who i've told everything about myself to
o i want to know who that is what's up i'm too much man how about yourself nev jamie jamie candace is her husband um wow yeah well i still i'm not totally clear are you titus so the whole time candace has been talking to titan she's talking to you [Music] yes okay all right basically i could tell there's something going on past few months even right before i even started this titus i felt like maybe it was me that she didn't want anymore you know maybe that was the issue for me you know to not b
e able to pinpoint her problem really got to me stupidly i created titus just to see if she would go and talk to someone else and if it was you know me that she didn't want anymore we hear stories like this all the time where people in relationships create fake profiles to see if they can get their partner to cheat on them you know there's some issues surrounding that that like i'm sure you've been struggling with i was completely wrong and stupid that i would even have tried to set her up in th
at situation a couple days into it i said you know send me a provocative picture or whatever no i'm happily married uh only my husband gets up i was like see i am an idiot i was going to let it go with that sure everything be done a couple days later i come home she was really upset and crying in the bedroom you know i'm like what's going on babe yeah she hands me her phone she's like well that's what's wrong what was she showing you it was a picture of her and mom i left i still had to take my
daughter to school and some other stuff boom i get a mess for titus i'm thinking this is confusing you know i was planning on completely just quitting with titus well then she opens up to titus and she explains why she's upset here they come no that's my husband wow it's jamie you okay i don't know how to deal [Music] i'm sorry i don't know what to say i don't i just want to know why i just thought i knew there was something going on and i couldn't figure out what was wrong i did it to see if al
l the issues we were having was you just didn't want to be with me i thought it was me you didn't thought that i would start talking to this guy as more than a friend why would you think i would do that we've been married for seven years i've never done that to you why would i do that now i know i just didn't know what was wrong and i could feel there was something wrong what would you have done if i did if i fed into that i don't know my thought process was panic i'm losing you i get insecure y
ou know i get worried but i don't pretend to be somebody else and try to trick you i was stupid in the beginning i didn't mean to hurt you or do anything through it i felt like i betrayed you by even doing that the only reason this kept going was because i felt like that was what you needed you kept telling titus everything that was wrong stuff that i didn't even know about like with your mom i didn't understand how you felt towards your mom and some things you never told me but you told titus s
o the more i kept being titus the more i felt like i was helping you learning how and what you were looking for it would be nice if we could have those kind of conversations in real life i know and that's what i realized that i was never able to do that and never took the time to understand why you felt those ways i understand now this is like the most you've ever said to me it feels good to know that that connection was really you [Music] and in a sense it's kind of a relief now i don't have to
tell you about titus because the most nervous thing i was freaking out about was telling you i'm a little upset that you started it the way you did but if you could be like supportive like you are through messages i wouldn't need to seek out the closest thing that i can talk to i don't want to talk to titus i want to talk to you [Music] you met on i am i know you i am bu what is that it is a virtual world where you have an avatar and it's like an actual person okay and you can go into different
chat rooms and talk to people when i heard i went into a lesbian bar chat room and we just started talking it was like i really like your personality yeah i want to get to know you more so she gave me her number and we started texting then he started talking on the phone yeah so you know her voice yeah so when did it go from maybe like a friendship into something a little more romantic i actually told her i loved her first i've invested my feelings into this person a lot she was always you know
there for me she was always somebody that i could talk to she gave me the attention that i wanted but after new year's we were supposed to make plans to meet she canceled on me and said that she had to study for school that she was too busy for me and what happens when you ask her to facetime or video chat when i ask her to video chat she tells me that her anxiety is really bad that she can't go on the camera and she doesn't have a camera on her phone well that's like a lot of excuses you know
those moves those are those classic catfish moves yeah i know i know their moves but i guess it just you gotta have faith yeah you gotta have faith [Laughter] i'm sorry i have to tell you one more thing sure i have a girlfriend she lives with me oh okay do you guys have an open relationship no no do they know about each other uh only sammy knows about faith how long have you and sam even together almost two years how does she feel about this uh she's really upset with me she's really angry well
see when i met faith me and sammy were going through some stuff when i went on invu when did you tell her um i told her a few days ago oh so oh real real fresh wow so you told her you're writing to the show aka i've got this girl i'm talking to on the internet yeah so faith has been a big secret for you for the past seven months yeah and i feel like i'm being torn between two people like we don't choose who we have feelings for you know or when they come along it's just about taking responsibili
ty for what happens when they do right well so when you first started talking to faith you said you guys were going through a rough patch right what was going on well it started with a girl that was texting my phone she was calling me babe i was not interested she was another online friend yeah and then started sort of pursuing you yeah and you've found out or yeah i found out that obviously created some issues some trust issues i guess yeah yes it was difficult actually very difficult but i for
gave her and i gave her that chance because she is somebody i love she's somebody i want to be with and [Music] that's why it's so difficult right now is because i did forgive her and now she's just doing it all over again so wait a second as you're going through that rough patch you start a similar friendship with faith it wasn't my intention to catch feelings for her i mean as you know a kid i wasn't very you know attractive i wasn't very open with myself i wasn't happy so getting the attentio
n from other people like saying hey you're beautiful you're pretty like you know it means a lot to me and it gives me confidence but that's fine you people can still say hey you're beautiful and you can say thank you yeah but if they then say like what's your number or we should meet up you should be like i'm flattered but right and if sammy trusts that you'll do that can i actually just step like a white place [Music] i know you know what i did it wasn't a good thing to do i don't want to say t
hat i regret meeting faith she was there when i needed somebody [Music] i feel like we're doing that you know you know we make mistakes like that's human you know [Music] so i was just talking with sammy and she just has some stuff she wants to talk about i know why faith didn't come around faith has been standing in front of you this whole time i'm faith [Music] are you kidding me no why i thought you were gonna cheat on me so i noticed that you were using imvu and i got on there and i started
talking to you and as time went by i couldn't let it go [Music] man [Music] okay [Music] i really don't know how to feel about this at all i feel like i just got like kicked in my wrist as it's you ending things oh i don't want to end things you don't want to add things no okay i want a future with her and trying to see if she was cheating on me was to see whether or not i have a future or not but living two lives i just i can't do it anymore i can't watch her go through this anymore maybe you s
hould just kind of fill us in on all the details currently in a relationship and i'm currently dating somebody online you know and how long have you been with your girlfriend like three years but you said things aren't going so well yeah they're really bumpy right now i know she know that was over with it really but you know we got kids and stuff and it's really hard to get out of a situation like that and then just to hop in another one like this that's why i need i need you guys man i really d
o tell us about jess tell us about what you like about her she just sparks up my day like everything fall in line when i talk to her she really loves kids you know that's something i love i love for my kids too do you have any doubts about her being who she said she is a little big because we never talked on the phone we never skyped before i actually would she's always around her boyfriend he's real controlling like really strict what makes you think that jess would even break up with her boyfr
iend because she talks about a lot she says she's ready to cut that off too so hey man how's it going all right have a seat have a seat all right so when you did sit down last night with your girlfriend tell me everything yeah at first she you know she's like brushing it off a little bit so i'm like damn you know i really it's really important that i really need to talk to you what we got going on right now is now what's up you know like as far as not talking not even sleeping in the same room w
ith each other you know we came to like some type of agreement we don't work together as far as like help each other financially for the time being until we save up enough money move on so what was your reaction when you told her that you were talking to a chess online she said i know you have to be doing something i said it ain't like i've been doing anything i was doing was talking online that's all i've been doing was and did you bring up the fact that we were here to help you meet this girl
at all or i was like well you know the guys up here from catfish are up here you know they trying to help me out and find out who she really is and she good luck on that but she wasn't like really angry about it no it was like she was comfortable with serious i'm glad you guys did come out and encourage me to for real sit out and you know talk to her and stuff so it's like a big huge relief [Music] i know this ain't [Music] what's this hey man you wanna chill out a second excuse me cheers man do
n't touch me better back up don't touch me better back up kind of is this going to chill out man what kind of this man talking him and i are talking yo tell you one thing right now excuse me one thing you're gonna like you're gonna learn to love it too what the hell are you talking about what's going on i'm gonna be the one wearing the pants and this one understand that dude you're being unreasonable straight just asking you to take it down a couple notches hey you brought a lot of attitude by t
he way a lot of attitude last night thanks a lot really felt it too you and i got to know you better i loved it but i tell you what you and i we could do that later come here we're going to talk we got we really went guys do we don't talk about are you kidding me you could still be my chocolate kiss too you don't forget about that baby come on come on are you jess yeah i'm jess you're jess yeah man what man what are you so angry about come on the guy's got a family and he's talking to me he thin
ks he's talking to some broad but he did think he was talking to a girl exactly right so you're you're a good actress sure i like that yeah why not this what's your name by the way you skipped that my name's justin i'm gonna take a take a stab at this sure you're gay obviously i'm not chaos well it's not so obvious i mean you you are pretending to be a girl online and having a romantic relationship with a guy so i give it to you you got me there right so man maybe what it was to begin with was j
ust uh it was a joke this fake profile just playing around with people what not i didn't think anything too much of it until you know honestly i started seeing guys like him who are already in a relationship so i was like you know what i kind of have this power to use it for something use it for good what i had with him was a little bit personal and obviously you guys got a taste of that what my message is to tell people look you can't jump around on relationships that you're in you felt like it
was your job to sort of teach him a lesson is that am i i just want to make sure i understand yes we're uh we're super interested in your story tell us more about it oh yes jessica jessica jessica i don't even know where [Music] you're in love with jessica and have been for a few years but for the last six months you've had a girlfriend raphael if the sun is too sad to leave us dark with regret she's a great girlfriend she's one of the other people who knows these things that's been going on in
my life and uh she's helped me down through it all honestly if i were raffane i don't know that i would want to keep dating you she doesn't want to lose me but she's willing to if that means i'm gonna be happy have you ever asked jessica if she's lying to you there's a couple of things that throw red flags at me it's been like two times when i tried to see each other she had came to atlanta supposedly but for some reason when she was supposed to be here she would pick up her phone that's exactl
y i need to know jessica's room we want to help please please we're going to get on a plane and uh and come meet you thank you all right good to meet you see you soon he's literally caught between two women well right can be a good place and a baby that's true you can't have one without the other guys like romeo you can't have a right shoe without the left shoe you can't have a girlfriend without a boyfriend we both have to be together and it makes a complete pair why don't you have those shoes
with jessica jessica wanted to create it with me yeah i've been with her every day first seven months you moved in with rafael yeah i mean because it's just like it's wild that you're in this you're you've got yourself another girl's name i mean you're having two you have two girlfriends do you feel bad or guilty of course i have a girl right here of course it makes me feel guilty and she's telling me she okay i don't think she's okay but i can't make her say nothing or open up to me unless she
wants to so huh kind of hard situation to be in i don't want to sit here having to choose between two i need to know are you who we're looking for yes i'm never dorian you know you probably want to meet him yes uh so i'll introduce you hi hi how are you i'm good so what is your name alexis it's not jessica okay it's not jessica um what was real my feelings for you everything was real um everything just i love you so much i just didn't know how to i just i didn't know how to tell you it's the rea
son this has hurt me more than anything is uh on facebook when you had got mad because the picture of the profile picture that was the girl who outdated that's rather nay and uh she's she's a great girlfriend and she means a lot to me as well and i totally just told her that she was more important than she was and i basically put that all to the side for this moment i'm here and i mean this is me and i want you to know my feelings for you are really deep and everything that i said was the honest
100 truth about how i feel about you why do you love me dorian we've been talking for two years straight and you mean the world to me i feel like i can talk to you about everything i hear you but it's like it's going in one ear and out the other right now and uh i don't know what else to say you're in quite a predicament tell us about how this whole thing with alyssa started basically alyssa and i we started talking about 2013. it was good for about six months and then she you know started gett
ing controlling i tried to meet up with her a lot of times she just always had some excuse like hey i can't hang out this weekend or i don't have the gas money just both where did alyssa say she lived she said she lived in indiana it's like a three-hour drive [Music] tell us about how it's ruined your relationship with liz after alyssa and i broke up i started talking to liz and we hit it off and we were in a great relationship going on for about a year and a half i am madly in love with that gi
rl you were dating her for a year and a half yeah a year and a half wow and alyssa just broke that up yeah let's start contacting me again saying i still love you i want to be with you and i was trying to give her the hint i don't want a relationship and she still harassed me and called me at random times of the night two or three in the morning as you could see that it was really hurting your relationship with liz like why not just get a new phone number i did get a new number but she got my nu
mber somehow this girl is stalking you basically the harassment continued and that was a big part of why liz and i broke up because liz felt like since alyssa was still in the picture she couldn't trust me anymore hopefully we can figure out who alyssa is make it clear to her once and for all that you're not interested in a relationship right there might be a happy ending here if we can get you back together with liz awesome yeah i would love that we'll see you tomorrow then later even if she's
exactly the person she claims to be right she's still being a bee because this guy has told her i will be friends with you but i'm in a relationship please don't get in the way of that and she ignored it how you doing um i'm sorry i'm just trying to stay positive it's been a rough couple days for me so this this really happened five days ago or six days ago now yeah it still hurts i can't lie after we broke up i said i'm still in love with you she said you know i'm still in love with you too so
liz your girlfriend in the last year and a half last week says i'm having a hard time i don't feel like i can trust you yeah she had an assumption that i was going behind her back and doing something i shouldn't be which that wasn't the case you know i've been honest with her so you've got to find out who alyssa is and get liz back back yes at what point do you break up she started controlling the relationship it got to the point where she would look through my facebook and tell me like hey you
need to block this person because they're making contact with you which is very controlling whoa she definitely put me through hell so i just felt like it was a really good idea for us to stop dating at what point did liz come around after three or four months i started talking to elizabeth we went through so much together we were dating for about a year and a half and we ultimately broke up because alyssa is trying to contact me over and over we lost a good thing i feel like after we get some a
nswers i can tell i don't want her to be a part of my life anymore so liz and i can ultimately get back together hi you must be miranda yeah hi i'm neve well if you want to come out here i'll introduce you to the guys hi miranda hi why did you why did you lead me on um it's hard to talk to somebody as myself so behind the screen it's easier to talk to people i didn't do any of this to hurt you at all and i'm pretty sure you are hurt and i'm sorry you caused liz and i to break up because she felt
like she couldn't trust me anymore so not only did you hurt me but you hurt her as well i do feel bad and that's why i agreed to meet you guys is anything you told me true yeah everything i've told you is true except for of course the pictures does that mean that your mother recently passed away from breast cancer no that part was not true i said well then everything's not true well that part did you have cancer no you came out here and said everything i said was true except for the pictures an
d now it turns out most of what you said wasn't true why when he started dating liz did you try so hard to break into that relationship and and cause havoc you know he's in a relationship you know he just wants to be a friend to you that's the story that he told us um well you know i might have lied about stuff and everything but he's not innocent he has flirted with me ever since he has been dating liz and i have text messages to prove that the things that he said in his text message he shouldn
't say that if he has a girlfriend what did he say in his text message he texts me saying something about playing with his i have that on text message so you can't sit there and say that you didn't send it well did you text it to me i mean whatever yeah they're going to say i said that but okay while you were dating liz he's told me that he would break up with liz for me obviously he didn't tell you guys that story nope no whatever but like i said i agree it's not whatever if you have this girl
that you love so much that you've been having a relationship with for a year and a half like why are you right sending pictures of your i wasn't trying to get any sexual conversation out of you come on vince don't pretend and i won't either that you're holier than any other guy ever we're all the same here okay wait timeout i don't do that vince called us in yes under this under the pretense that he wanted to get this girl the hell out of his life because she's ruining his relationship with his
girlfriend who he loves so much come on man you're making me look like an ass you're kind of making yourself look pretty bad i mean liz had good reason to have suspicions about why you weren't blocking alyssa i wasn't trying to get back in a relationship you were i was something on the side that you wouldn't let go of for liz which is all she wanted
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