Flying Saucers Are Real - Volume 2 | Top Secret Majic | Stanton T. Friedman | Betty Hill | UFOTV

[Music] [Music] welcome to volume two of flying saucers are real present information on the famous Betty and Barney Hill abduction case the starm map work that tells us where those particular alien visitors originated supposed autopsy of an alien being recovered in New Mexico the operation magestic 12 mj12 magic papers which I think are the most important documents ever leaked to the American public join [Music] us [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] there is no way in the world I can tell y

ou everything you always wanted to know about flying saucers in one program or even five what I can do sort of take you by the hand and lead you past the evidence that has led me to the conclusions that I've reached after 35 years of study the evidence is simply overwhelming that planet Earth is being visited by intelligently controlled extraterrestrial spacecraft some UFOs are alien spacecraft it came from this direction over here which is toward the holiday in and just came straight up and the

n moved directly over and then out over across the bay and took a right hand turn and went in a Northeast Direction and then blinked [Music] up [Music] the subject of flying saucers represents a kind of cosmic Watergate that is to say some few people in the governments of the United States Canada undoubtedly many other countries that have known since July 1947 when two crash flying saucers and their Crews were recovered in New Mexico that some UFOs are extraterrestrial space grp Area 51 at myste

rious corner of the Nevada Test Site is no longer much of a secret the fact that secretive things go on here is a given even to the Soviets who make daily spy flights over the facility to take a peek at what's going on it's the perfect place for secret things but of course that's no secret 51 is ringed by The Forbidden vastness of the Nevada Test Site by the looming groom mountains and by sparsely populated desert expanses the few people who do live out here have no love lost for the military bu

t they're conservative patriotic and they mind their own business you ever see stuff you can't explain sure lots of stuff care to elaborate [Music] no fos is there a government conspiracy to keep the truth from America tonight on the UFO conspiracy a team of investigators uncovers provocative new evidence we're dealing with a cosmic Watergate Thursday October 11th 1973 around dusk Charles Hixon and Calvin Parker were fishing at this side on the pasula river when they say a strange craft emitting

a bluish light came down and hovered just above the ground 30 ft away now living and working in golden medal Louisiana with his family Calvin believes the US government has knowledge of extraterrestrial life that it is hiding from the public I think the government more or less knows about them that they just scared to get it out in the public do you think United States government is keeping something from us about UF those there's no doubt in my mind that they they [Music] are man is not alone

in the universe he's not alone in the neighborhood our future as earthlings is tied in with space the time to start thinking in those terms is [Music] [Applause] [Music] now [Music] there are three different categories of UFO sighting reports first the ifos that is UFO s is converted into identifiable flying objects people have seen all kinds of things and most sightings can be explained having said that let's forget category one sightings Category 2 sightings must also be dismissed these are th

e reports for which there is insufficient information on which to base any kind kind of scientific judgment as to what was observed if you don't have enough data forget it there's no point in wasting your time on those sightings finally that leaves us only with the sightings in Category 3 these are the reports by competent observers of strange phenomena in the sky are on the ground which The Observer cannot identify which remain unidentified after investigation by competent investigators and whi

ch furthermore we judge to be manufactured objects based on the way they look not just lights in the sky and we deduced they were made someplace else based on the way they were observed to behave this home videotape was recorded during one of the trips to the groom mountains okay good luck no what did you see that move it did no I didn't it went look how bright it's getting look at it now bright not bright enough for me to get the son of a bit here hold on right here are are you there no it is b

right right now a major point I'd like to make in this program is that every large scale scientific study of flying saucers has provided us with a substantial M of Category 3 reports competent Observer competent investigator plenty of data on every indication we're dealing with intelligently controlled extraterrestrial [Music] spacecraft this is one of three videotapes of a bright light in the Skies over Gulf Breeze this is another people have flocked to the south end of the Bay Bridge in the pa

st few weeks in droves over recent reports what brought you out here in the first place curiosity I'm a skeptic and I don't believe in flying sour I had to come to see for myself what do you think now after what you saw well I'm still not convinced it's a flying sorcer but it's not a plane and it's not a helicopter so whatever it is I still haven't made up my mind now the largest study ever done official comprehensive government sponsored study of flying saucers was completed Believe It or Not w

ay back in 1955 the study was done by the Batel Memorial Institute in Columbus Ohio a very well-respected research and development firm now it was Patel's job to go through 3200 sightings from the Blue Book files for the period 1947 through 1952 and a very few thereafter every sighting report was eventually categorized ized as something or other aircraft balloon astronomical miscellaneous uh the insufficient information category and of course the unknowns every sighting was evaluated as to Quali

ty subjective evaluation but a useful one they put all this data together in a big fat report Project Blue Book Special Report number 14 now unfortunately the report itself has never been publicly distributed by the Air Force instead what was given wide distribution was a three-part package a press release from which I'll quote a minute a supposed summary of this study and I say supposed because unfortunately it has none of the data from the 240 some charts tables graphs and Maps I don't know ho

w you could call it a summary but they did and an official Air Force drawing of sort of a comic book Flying Saucer and the thrust of this package was look we just finished this huge study of flying sauces there's nothing to them but soon we will be building things that look like saucers and if you see one don't worry about it it's ours that's what the public was told the United States Air Force in discharging its responsibility for the Aerospace defense of the nation is called upon to investigat

e reports of unidentified flying objects two Air Force officers have over the years been very closely associated with this activity the at Colonel Lawrence Tacker was formerly the chief spokesman for the Air Force on the matter and major Hector quintella is now the chief of Project Blue Book major quintella what are the objectives of Project Blue Book the objectives of the program are toofold they're the same as they have been since 1953 when the regulation was written first of all to try to det

ermine if the EO phenomena presents a threat to the security of the United States is second to determine if the eupo phenomena exhibits any technological advances which could be channeled to research and development there's nothing to hide there's nothing to hide at all this is a copy of the privately published version of Project Blue Book Special Report 14 it is kind of interesting that the press release didn't mention the title of the report cuz surely some reporter would have said what happen

ed to 1 through 13 they were all classified at that time and the Air Force certainly wasn't talking about them now in the press release the secretary of the Air Force minu Donald Carl said quote on the basis of this report we believe that no objects such as those properly described as flying sorceries have overflown the United States even the unknown 3% could have been identified as conventional phenomena or Illusions if more complete observational data had been available unquote well let's look

at the categorization of the 321 sites you'll notice that there are several different categories of psychological elaborations that's a nice way of saying Crack by cases but the ones we're interested in are the unknowns and you'll notice that the percentage of unknowns wasn't 3% it wasn't 6% it wasn't 12% it was 212% 7 times greater than the public was told by the secretary of the Air Force I suppose if one were generous one might say that he wasn't very good at arithmetic now the skeptic at th

is point might say hey wait a minute now you said earlier that they did a quality evaluation of all those sightings how do we know that those unknowns aren't just those 2C observations at 4 in the morning by the town drunks of the world perfectly legitimate question let's look at the Quality evaluation of those same 321 sightings the better the quality of the sighting because of the background of of the Observer the duration of observation the circumstances the more likely to be listed as an unk

nown exactly what You' expect if the unknowns were really something different say hello now to Derek from Norfolk hello Derek hello Nick hello what do you believe in well I believe in the Eos I have seen a EO actually I live in norol I used to be a security guard so I used to wander around quite a bit at night time yes and remember at this point we're dealing strictly with unknowns forget all the things that turned out to be Jupiter and Venus and search lights on clouds and flocks and birds I me

an the list is long as my arm first what did they look like well typically we're dealing with the unknowns with apparently round symmetric seemingly metallic disc-shaped objects definite size shaped surface text texture things sticking out that might be landing gear might be antenna might be decorations we don't know those are interpretations typically but not always bigger in diameter than thickness sometimes with a kind of Dome size ranging from say 10 ft in diameter up to perhaps 150 ft in di

ameter that was the biggest category of unknowns but there were also some very exciting reports of large cigar shaped so-called mother ships into and out of which the little discs fly now with just a physical description of these unknowns the round ones the huge mother- shaped object they you cigar shaped mother Vehicles we have no base at all for saying these things come from off the Earth why not well because there at least 50 different companies down here on the surface of this plany that cou

ld build things that looked as I described they built a lot of the stuff that's here at the Space Center you know locky NASA Rockwell International uh under contract to NASA Boeing and a bunch of other companies it's only when we add into the the picture the behavior of these unknowns that we're suddenly forced to concede that we're dealing with something of extraterrestrial origin because these round metallic disc-shaped objects were able to sit still in the sky hover move straight up straight

down move forward and then back without turning around move at extremely high speeds horizontally say 8,000 mph is observed on radar make almost right angle turns at high speeds like 2200 miles hour all this rather unusual flight Behavior typically without any visible external ends without any wings without any tail without any noise Area 51 that mysterious corner of the Nevada Test Site is no longer much of a secret the fact that secretive things go on here is a given even to the Soviets who ma

ke daily spy flights over the facility to take a peek at what's going on a man who once worked at Groom Lake as a technician wrote this letter explaining how he inadvertently walked into the wrong hanger and saw what appeared to be a large metallic disc under a tarp and an Airman who worked at Nellis at a radar installation says he and his fellow servicemen watched over a period of five nights unusual objects flying over the groom mountains he says the radar images indicate the object zoomed int

o range at speeds of 7,000 mph and then would stop on a dime and that nothing we have is capable of doing that the Airman says that when word of his sighting got out he was ordered to turn off his radar sensors for that area and told to keep quiet about the matter because it did not happen and I submit to you that back in the early 50s there was no company on the surface of this planet that could in quantity because people often reported seeing whole flocks of these things that could in quantity

build things that both looked as I described and acted as I described because if they could we earthlings would no longer be building f-16s 17s 18s Mig 29s Mirage 5 the single most important thing about a flying Sor from any government's Viewpoint is the potential for utilization of the technology for military purposes major quella what are the objectives of project blook first of all to try to determine if the EO phenomena presents a threat to the security of the United States and second to de

termine if the EO phenomena exhibits any technological advances which could be channeled to research and development since we are still building F6 17 18s M 29s Mirage 5 then what people saw back then wasn't built here on Earth and if it wasn't built here it was built someplace [Music] else contining to receive downlink television from the forward bulkhead camera of the cargo bay of the Orbiter now where do I think they're from I'll name specific star systems a little bit later but just down the

street in our local neighborhood that's a concept I try to get people to understand within 54 light years of here in all directions around us there are about a thousand stars of those thousand stars 46 are similar to the Sun not too hot not too cold not too old not too new a lot of other similar and might be expected to have planets in life that's our focus our local [Music] neighborhood [Music] we're joining me now our eminent scientist and believer in extraterrestrial intelligence Stanton fre

dman Stanton if I can start with you you are a nuclear physicist you have your feet very firmly on the ground as a scientist yet you believe in UFOs how does this come about it it's very easy since two-thirds of the people who Express an opinion about flying saucers say they're real and the greater the education the more likely to believe they're real it would be surprising if I didn't it comes because I've spent 38 years collecting evidence reviewing data I've lectured at 600 colleges I get lot

s of feedback I've published 70 papers that gives you more feedback I do a lot of Investigation it's unlikely that anyone who's ever seen these photos will forget them odd shapes in the sky accounts of laser-like blue beams descriptions of alien creatures and close encounters over the RO Road and even though I had the photos right there in front of me and he was telling me all this it was still hard to accept because things like that just don't happen a in Gulf Breeze and B to [Music] Us Burbank

Tower this is American flight 812 over that's nothing from this world you suppose a passenger site I doubt it most of them are asleep but it was quite a jol Jeff I'll check good we'll get it ready for landing and keep it quiet until we get instructions right okay Danny we normally think of courage in space flight in terms of How brave anybody was to get in the top of this rocket with all that propellant sitting below you or any of those others crammed who knows what's going to happen are jet jo

ckeys who take their chances in very sophisticated unforgiving equipment there's a different kind of Courage that's required that's the courage to fight for your ideas what we find is that every step along the way the guys with the new ideas were being hit on by the guys who say it can't be done not by guys who knew what they were talking about but people who for whatever reason wanted to guard the status quo vehicle rolling from tail South round to 35° as Northeast something about your flight y

eah what happened J I saw a flying saucer did you report it yeah radioed in immediately and they said we'll keep it quiet until you land as soon as we landed big army brass grabbed us and made us swear to secrecy about the whole thing if there's anybody out there that got started just a little bit before we did on his or her technological kick what do they know that we don't know and how much time had start could they have there are stars out there that are 5 billion years older than the sun tha

t's billion surely we could give them a million years head start on us we've only been around a million years or so something like man solar system is 4 and a half 5 billion years old so surely somebody out there could have a million years at St Within four light years of here in all directions around us there are about a thousand stars of those thousand stars 46 are similar to the Sun not too hot not too cold not too old not too new a lot of other similari and might be expected to have planets

in life that's our focus our local [Music] neighborhood [Music] alleged abductions of humans by aliens have been around since the early 1960s Betty and Barney Hill a middle-aged New Hampshire couple were reportedly snatched up by aliens and a flying saucer and eventually had their memories blocked since their case was made public thousands of others alleged abductions have been reported all over the world this is Betty and Barney Hill was a very famous case took place in 1961 as a whole book The

interrupted Journey television movie the UFO incident starring uh James Earl Jones it was September 19th 1961 Betty and Barney were driving home to Portsmouth New Hampshire which is on the coast between Portland Maine and Boston from Montreal driving through the White Mountains late at night nobody around Betty spots a strange object Barney was driving she's looking out her side a light in the sky moving following the Contour of the mountains and she watched it for a while she wasn't going to s

ay anything suddenly we began to see a strange light in the sky which was maneuvering in a very erratic pattern this light began flying along beside us and did this for about 30 miles until we came to an area known as Indian Head took the binoculars their bird watchers took the binoculars out of the glove compartment looked over at it and it was strange and it was moving in a strange fashion finally she worked up enough courage to tell Barney it's late at night now after midnight Barney um there

's a flying saucer out there oh Betty there are no flying saucers must be an airplane he looks probably a Piper Cub don't worry about it you know what a piper Cub's doing up there one in the morning I don't know but she says Barney it can't be look at it look how it's moving look at the lights oh oh maybe you're right Betty must be a helicopter a helicopter there are no flying saucers and they talk quietly as they're heading south in the valley this is following the hills and suddenly it moves o

ut across the road and at that place this light left the top of the mountain came out over the highway and stopped in midair directly in front of us Barney jams on the brakes gets out of the car he's bound and determined he's going to prove to Betty there's nothing strange about that strange thing out there I it in the first place it's sitting still it's just hovering less than 200 yard away he estimates 60 to 8 ft in diameter just sitting there and no sound sitting there no visible external eng

ines no wings no tail no blinking red and green lights he cranks up the binoculars there's a double row of Windows there he's moved out away from the vehicle now suddenly he get scared because on the other side of the windows looking back at him are some Strang looking beings he panicked and he ran back to the car saying they planed to capture us and we had to get out of there and we went speeding down the highway he burns rubber he's getting out of there and at that point we heard beeping sound

s and the car vibrated they see a sign it's say Concord New Hampshire 17 miles suddenly con should have been 50 miles a lot of other strange little details that you have to read the book The interrupted journey by John Fuller to get now when we arrived home we had many puzzles tops of Bonnie shoes were scuffed our watches had stopped functioning there were highly polished spots in the trunk of the car anyway they report to the police that next day who say call P's Air Force Base which is just ou

tside Portsmouth they reported there they hear about Nik cap a group that investigates you UFO so a month later a nightcap investigator comes out and gets their whole story but he has them go over the story systematically what time did you leave Montreal how fast were you driving how much time for coffee and gas and what time did you get home when they do it this way it becomes painfully obvious that they got home at least 2 hours later than they should have gotten home it's only 192 miles but t

he biggest mystery of all was the fact that it had take us 7 hours to drive 190 mil was suggested then that they see a hypnotist to find out what happened during the missing time interval well they were both busy people Betty a social worker super supervisor welfare department State of New Hampshire Barney working in the post office down in Boston but on the governor's Civil Rights Commission Betty checks with a colleague as a social worker she knew lots of psychologist you know we seem to have

this missing time don't worry about it your memory will come back just wait a while so they waited and waited and waited and waited and Betty had nightmares about strange beings kidnapping them Barney developed an ulcer that got so bad he couldn't go to work by now two years have gone by and they've got to do something they got to get Barney back to work Betty gets a referral or Barney gets a referral from a psychologist to a psychiatrist Dr Benjamin Simon down in Boston and the idea was to take

care of two problems at once find out what happened during the missing time and get rid of the ulcer so I could get back to work okay every Saturday morning they drive the 60 miles to Boston Betty Waits outside Marty goes in Dr Simon hypnotizes him has him relive not retell but relive with all the emotions a portion of the [Music] experience he tapes it induces Amnesia at the end of the session so Barney won't remember what he said can't talk to Betty about it calms him down some of these were

pretty powerful sessions sends Barney out brings Betty and does the same thing with her he said I know it but the others object and I said but but this is my prove this goes on every week for three and a half months neither one of them knowing what's going on in the sessions except that there must be something good happening because Barney's ulcer is taken care of he's able to get back to work finally Dr Simon figures they're ready he brings them both in together instead of separately and plays

back a composite tape of all these sessions I've heard the tape they were astonished to find that they had each independently relive the same incredible experience the beings that had been on the craft were now standing in the middle of the road a dirt road blocking our way the cotor stalled they suffer ated came up on each side took us out of the car and at that point I realized that they undoubtedly planned to take us on board of that craft having landed of them being taken on board against th

eir will treated as specimens stick a needle here scrape a little skin there I was taken into the first room bnie into the second room where we were given uh as the leader as I call him gave us testing no religious messages no trip any where our examinations were very much similar in that with both Bonnie and I they checked Our Eyes Ears Nose Throat took samples of our hair fingernail and they scraped our skin they were put back out toally wouldn't remember and didn't until this elaborate sophis

ticated expensive procedure was conducted let's face it that's a pretty far out story well I read the book The interrupted journey I read the two look magazine articles I talked to to John Fuller talked to Dr Simon it was in my gray basket not black not white maybe everybody needs a gray basket about UFOs and then I had the lucky opportunity in November 1968 to spend four hours with Betty and Barney just the three of us in Pittsburgh where I was living I was very impressed with them obviously se

nsible sensitive intelligent people make a long story short I buy the story and you say big deal you believe them where's the evidence there's a lot of different kinds of evidence I only want to focus on one part of it as appropriate for being here at the Space Center Betty under hypnosis is reliving how she's trying to get the leader of this 11 being crew to tell her where he's from and the understatement of the decade I said I know you're not from this planet now Barney was in another room the

y were being examined separately so finally to get her off his back this leader shows her what I can only describe as a three-dimensional star that it was like a an aquarium with Points of Light which were supposedly Stars 3T by 2T by 2 ft three different kinds of lines connecting these stars for trade Expeditions and occasional Expeditions and regular heavy trade two big circles that were supposedly uh the base Stars connected by lots of lines and she's looking up at this thing and she asks the

leader well where are you on the map Wise Guy alien he says you know where you are on the map I told him no that I knew nothing about astronomy how can I tell you where you're from if where I'm from if you don't know where you're at I just didn't have the necessary knowledge now poor Dr Simon the psychiatrist world class expert on post-traumatic stress syndrome using hypnosis to unlock what happened I mean it's bad enough he's got two intelligent people here telling this crazy story about a sau

cer Landing beings taking him on board but now he's got a star map and trade routs oh boy he gives as if Betty can remember what the map looked like she says yes he gives her a post hypnotic suggestion if and only if she can remember it accurately please draw it later on she goes home and she draws and you can see it here this is what was published in the book and it's kind of fascinating trade roots and occasional Expeditions but there is one little teeny tiny problem what does it me we have no

reference point it's obviously not all the stars in the galaxy it's not all the stars in the neighborhood we'll never know is what people thought it maybe it means something maybe it doesn't but there's no way to find out well a brilliant woman named margerie fish had read the book she was curious she didn't think aliens would look anything like us and they seemed to be sort of humanoid but she visited Betty and decided Well there was one thing she could do she could build a the three-dimension

al model of our local Galactic neighborhood and see if she could find a three-dimensional pattern that matched the two-dimensional one that Betty Drew well it turned out she's now built a total of 26 three-dimensional models uh the point of doing this now is that the stars are where they are they're not randomly distributed uh if we build a model we can look around it from all different directions what's Difficult about doing this is we have great angle data on the Stars we know where to aim a t

elescope to see a particular star two angles tell us but we don't have good distance data astronomers aren't going anywhere it doesn't much matter how far or how close along this line of site but you can't build a model without the distance data now Marjorie thought she'd get many fits to the map she got none until she built a new model using using the new newest data the gley catalog vilhelm gley catalog of nearby Stars had the best data ever compiled on the distances she rebuilt the model and

lo and behold there was the pattern angle for angle line length for line length what Betty had drawn it's a special day for marjerie believe me now here's one of her models that matches the star map now there's several special things here you have to understand in first is a local neighborhood the the biggest model only went out 50 light years or so so right next door second all the stars connected with the lines are the right kind for planets and life sunlike stars and all the sunlike stars in

this very well defined three-dimensional volume of space are in the pattern now the chance of that happening by by accident remembering that only 46 out of the thousand stars in a local neighborhood are like the sun and yet every one of the pattern stars is a sunik star and every sunlight star in this volume of space is part of the patter the chance of that happening by accident one in 10,000 to one in a million depending on Whose statistics you believe several special things now one the pattern

makes sense nearest star nearest star nearest star that's good not back and forth two uh strangely enough it turns out that all the pattern stars are in a plane it's like pepperoni on a pizza pan thin pizza all in a plane rather than raisins in a big fat loaf of raisin bread which is what you'd expect that they'd be distributed all over the place nobody knew that before margery's work most important nobody doing what margerie did before Betty had the experience in ' 61 or the book came out in 6

could have come up with the same identification of the Stars cuz the correct distance data wasn't available until 1969 obvious question where did Betty a social worker knew nothing about astronomy get the right information as to where the stars were in 1961 when nobody on this planet had that information at that time the only possible explanation is that it came from somebody from off the Earth [Music] we can see that the source of that information had to be somebody who've been away from the s

olar system none of us earthlings have been so far as we know even more intriguing I suppose is the fact that this work tells us where those particular aliens originated here's a map that shows the names of the stars in our very local neighborhood our star is the sun up in the top right hand portion of the picture now we're out in the Boondocks here uh the sun is 4 and a half light years from The Next Star over there's not many stars behind us for 15 or 20 light years we're out in the Boondock t

he base Stars however are 37 light years or so away from us Zeta 1 and Zeta 2 reticuli that's the Greek letter Zeta and the constellation reticulum you can't see it from here you've got to go down the equator or below these two stars Zeta 1 and Zeta 2 reticuline are only a few light weeks apart they're 100 times closer to each other than our star the sun is to the next star over 100 times so from a planet around one look looking over at the other you can see the other star all day long and with

a not very big telescope you could directly observe observe planets around the other star now it wouldn't be surprising if there were earlier Interstellar between the Stars travel when your nearest neighbor is only a few light weeks away as it is for them as opposed to our situation several light years especially when I tell you one of the key features about this star these two stars is that they're about a billion years years older than the sun billions with the be just just quickly yes or no d

o you believe in extraterrestrial life conceptually in the probability or at least possibility there are 24 of us that left the Earth and came back you know there 12 of us that walked on the moon uh but how about things with you know like green and somebody originated someplace else yeah exactly thank you just why not why okay why not that's a good enough answer all right but we don't know no so again would it be surprising to any rational person that beings with another sunlight star just aroun

d the corner would get started sooner on Interstellar travel when they've got a billion-year opportunity for a head start very exciting piece of [Music] work [Music] I received a copy of the radar report from PE Air Force Base where they had tracked an unidentified craft at 214 a.m. in the about the time just about the time we estimate that the UFO left we went back and we found the spot where we were captured it was not a fantasy it was a real experience and I believe that I have enough evidenc

e to establish [Music] that [Music] an obvious question of course is what do those guys look like this is a drawing done by New Hampshire artist David Baker sitting next to Barney as Barney under hypnosis described what they look like it's not an artist concept it's a police artist drawing of a kidnapper if you want to look at it that way here is a sculpture done from a bunch of drawings like the ones you just saw your typical little gray man or typical Zeta reticulin whatever you want to call t

hem two arms two legs a head and a body skull skull bigger in proportion to the body than ours big eyes practically no nose mouth ears uh typical alien not a cross between a giraffe and a zebra the science fiction writers are much more imaginative than the abduction Witnesses remember now this is one of hundreds of cases that have been carefully investigated of abductions it's happening whether we like it or not is beside the point the evidence suggests Beyond any doubt as far as I'm concerned t

hat we're being visited by some kind of some form of intelligence Which is higher than ours and some kind of technology which is higher than ours and it is able to pick up human beings at will as objects of study the way we might a lesser species to admit all of those things as possible possibility um as a real possibility is to be staggered so we keep it at arms length conveniently uh the evidence is simply overwhelming that planet Earth is being visited now you got to ask the right question I'

m certainly not saying all UFOs are alien spacecraft any more than all Isotopes are fishable except that lots of UFOs are in fact imaginary and people sort of most isotopes aren't fishable either most people aren't 7 feet tall but the basketball coach says give me the guy who is I don't care about the midgets for the okay let's just set it up you're a very successful Builder contractor in in Gul Breeze making good money and one night on no November of ' 87 you see an object right um I had no inc

lination as to what that day might bring it was Veterans Day 1987 I'd come home and was wrapping up my business uh for that day sitting in my office looked out the glass uh picture window over my uh desk in my office and a a light caught my eye through the pine Burrows of some trees out in my circle driveway and lo and behold I couldn't figure what is this thing there's a glow there what is this and it was obscured by the by the trees so I was curious enough so I got up and went to my front porc

h got a little bit clearer look at it and just the adrenaline starts flowing because you realize immediately you're not looking at something of our technology or or technology that you think that we might possess Charles Hixon and Calvin Parker two Mississippi fishermen reportedly abducted and examined by creatures aboard a UFO in Pascagoula in 1973 a doorway appeared and three creatures floated toward them they just seem to Glide outside and one right behind the other and there was three of the

m Area 51 that mysterious corner of the Nevada Test Site is no longer much of of a secret we have communicated with several people who say they know of the saucer program a technician in a highly sensitive position told us it is quote common knowledge among those with high security clearances that recovered alien discs are stored at the Nevada Test Site a Las Vegas professional who once served in the military and was stationed at the test site says he saw a flying disc land outside the boundarie

s of Area 51 the best paper by far in my opinion was won by the late Dr James E McDonald Jim was a professor of physics at the University of Arizona and initially a skeptic about flying SS as I was too until I looked at the evidence Jim personally interviewed over 500 Witnesses and these were almost all pre-screened cases so he spent his time on the unknowns rather than the knowns which is the way to do it if you can manage to make a long story short he concluded this is the most challenging sci

entific problem of our time that some UFOs are of extraterrestrial origin and at the Air Force Project Blue Book effort at least was completely inadequate from a scientific viewpoint but he went a stop step farther he presented information on 41 separate cases subdivided into six groups each group dealing with the typical objection of the debunker you've probably heard them all how come they're never seen on radar giv you half a dozen good radar cases and an Airman who worked at Nellis at a rada

r installation says he and his fellow servicemen watched over a period of five nights unusual objects flying over the groom mountains he says the radar images indicate the object zoomed into range at speeds of 7,000 mph and then would stop on a dime and the nothing we have is capable of doing that why aren't they ever seen over big cities gives you a bunch of big city [Music] cases he gives you many multiple witness cases 10 Witnesses 20 Witnesses 50 [Music] Witnesses well how come they're never

seen by the professionals who watch the sky the meteorologists the astronomers the pilots he gives you a bunch of sightings by each of those groups as well [Music] so you can raise any of those objections you wish but please don't reach a conclusion until you've studied the [Music] evidence [Music] [Applause] [Music] but just briefly you do believe there's been a cover up don't you in the state oh there's no question that there's a cosmic Watergate it's easy to establish we've G to gone to cour

t using the Freedom of Information Act here's what you get after well this is a justification to a federal court judge by the National Security Agency a huge organization uh for withholding 156 UFO documents they wouldn't even show any to the judge this is their affidavit to him and that's not the only page like that you can see all blacked out 75% blacked out here's what I got from the CIA under Freedom of Information about UFOs 5 years to get that very exciting document look oh yeah I've read

that one but not the other one we're going to leave it on January the 13th a Friday appropriately on an English talk show Nick and an a British rock musician named reg Presley no relation to Elvis startled the World by saying that he was aware of 15 reels of 10 minutes each of 16 mm footage shot of autopsies and wreckage relating to crash flying saucers in New Mexico incredible news he hadn't seen much of it and it belonged to a man named Ray sanelly last year that some tantalizing pictures were

released black and white grainy footage showing an alien autopsy the debate about whether they're genuine or not is still raging the footage was first seen in this country last August in a Channel 4 documentary called the Roswell incident it told the story of a UFO that crashed landed in New Mexico in 1947 this was one of the most important events in UFO history the program used several minutes of footage which apparently showed an autopsy carried out on Aliens recovered from the crash site the

footage was brought to light by a video producer called Ray Santilli we're talking about roughly 16 minutes of footage of an autopsy of a supposed alien recovered from a crash Flying Saucer in 1947 surely one of the most important discoveries ever made by mankind extraordinary claims re require extraordinary investigation but the organizers of a UFO conference in Leeds next week say they have new evidence which will prove the footage to be a hoax they're flying in the top Roswell investigator S

tanton T fredman he believes aliens did land at Roswell but he doesn't believe the autopsy film I was here in April of '95 I met with Mr sanelli I did not get a chance to see the footage he wouldn't show it to me he didn't want me to see the footage he didn't want anybody was going to be critical he was looking for people would go along for the ride I think who would say yay verily this is the greatest thing since peanut butter now on about July 2nd there was apparently a midair collision betwee

n two flying saucers in New Mexico one of them came down almost intact in the plains of s Augustine a very remote area west of sakuro New Mexico the other part apparently part of it exploded showering debris on the Foster Ranch southeast of Corona New Mexico Northwest of Roswell uh and a couple miles away apparently bodies were found there was some lightweight very strong seemingly structural material you couldn't break through with a sledgehammer very thin and there were some eyebeam like piece

s uh perhaps 38 in high had the weight of balla would nothing to these things but you couldn't cut them break them burn them and there were strange pastel symbols along the the inside of the eye but as the first to talk to many of the key Witnesses without television cameras without any public sort of side to this thing I'm absolutely convinced that bodies were recovered at both locations we have descriptions of those bodies from people who saw them we have descriptions of wreckage and that's a

very important database it's also important to realize that there was very strong intimidation of many of the people who were involved in this case one of the people who was never said anything about this wasn't spoken to him until I spoke to him in 1989 was Glenn Dennis he was a morti at the local Funeral Home the Ballard funeral home and uh when he finally told his story he had talked to a nurse at the base who had been involved in what was apparently a an autopsy cutting up little bodies that

smell to high heaven she said you won't believe what happened and she said before before I talk to you before I tell you anything excuse me I'm having a throat problem here but she said you have to give me a sacred oath that you will not ever mention my name or not she said you can get me in a lot of trouble so she said but I'm going to tell you you don't know where you got this you know and she said she never smelled anything so horrible in her life and she got in there and uh I said it was it

was most gruesome most horrible sight that she had ever seen in her life smell was it was almost devastating she said I was never so horrified in my life she said no this is what it is she said this is something that that no one's ever seen so there is no question from Glen Dennis's testimony the testimony of all these other people people who saw the bodies out in the plains that at least two SA crashed that wreckage was recovered that the government grabbed all the goodies intimidated the peop

le had bodies and if there were bodies there would have been autopsies and if there were autopsies there certainly would have been footage film footage shot fredman was the original investigator at Roswell and has been researching the incident for over 20 years he thought the autopsy film could be important but when he finally saw it he was unimpressed the main reasons I was disappointed when I saw the footage one the body didn't look like any alien I'd ever heard described they have two separat

e testimonies as to what the bodies from the bronwell crashes look like the question is is the footage genuine or the two other possibilities people want to say it's either a fraud or it's real it could be footage shot of a real autopsy of a genetically handicapped or several earthlings as opposed to just a Hollywood production we have all three possibilities and we don't know so I have made a very massive effort as have a number of other people to try to sort this out one problem is that every

time I checked on Mr Santilli he wasn't telling the whole truth as time has gone on we've looked more carefully at the footage itself for example there's one scene where the right hand seemingly is completely separated from the art there's a little wedge of space there this is with six digits now it and then later it seems to be attached as if some somebody took a hand and put it on an arm but one of the witnesses that talked to Glend Dennis a nurse at the Bas Hospital told him she said last nig

ht I made a diagram she said you won't believe this but she said I made a diagram and she said on these little bodies and she gave me a uh she drew me a diagram of a of an arm cuz she said the anatomy from from the shoulder to here was real short this arm was longer here which is the reverse of our situation she said four digs that doesn't match practically no ears nose mouth just a little slit some holes and yet they're very clear ear folds whatever you want to call them and something of a mout

h and certainly a nose the eyes were very deeply uh set back and set in and she said the amazing thing about the skulls that that wasn't like ours that it was kind of like a newborn baby they were kind of flexible that you know the doctors could move that it wasn't going to like a hard skull none of this stuff matches now I cannot say that we have proven that this is a hoax shot by this company at this location on this day and Mr Santilli Told Me Not only that they had a boxes of material about

the cameraman which proved that he was who he says he was and where he says he was at the time none of that's been put forth but he also said that Kodak had dated the film well as it turns out they hadn't he'd given them a piece of leader with no image on it well kodak's requirements were about the 50 frames 2 seconds worth roughly of film full wi because shrinkage is important from determining dates and with image that's in the autopsy footage he promised to provide it promised to provide it pr

omised to provide the wreckage in the film now if you look carefully the so-called I beams that they call them that have strange symbols which spell video if you look at it in the right angle which sort of old Greek letters doesn't look anything at all like the replica that's been created by Dr Jesse Marcel working with an engineer he handled pieces of the wage uh and he's talking about I beams like this size rather than this size we've just got lots of questions and no answers and some of those

questions should have answers if we are to proceed on the basis that this stuff is legitimate extraordinary claims require extraordinary investigation this footage has not had it [Music] well I don't know why you're skeptical skeptical about everything people ask me how can you talk about flying sauces if you haven't seen one and I tell them I've been uh talking about neutrons and Gamay for 38 years I've never seen one of those either yeah yeah they're real I've never seen Sydney Australia it's

just briefly [Laughter] [Music] you fos is there a government conspiracy to keep the truth from America that story set the tone for almost 47 years of massive misrepresentation and cover up we're dealing with a cosmic Watergate that continues to this day and one of the many myths about this subject is that the Freedom of Information Act gives you access to anything you want there can't possibly be a coverup that would extend that law a group of us called citizens against UFO secrecy went after

the CIA we want your UFO stuff they said we don't have go away we appeal they deny we go to court judge says do a search they come back to court they'd found 239 UFO documents in the early 1990s there was a great deal of discussion about Roswell new books came out more witnesses came forward and as a result of this many people in New Mexico wrote Congressman Steven Schiff he's based in Albuquerque seeking the truth about Roswell and he tried he wrote requests for information from the Secretary o

f Defense got no answer wrote again got no answer finally a third time his request was referred to the Air Force leaon office and they just kind of casually brushed him off by saying uh check we've referred your request to the National Archives so he he's getting a runaround Congressman aren't accustom they ask for a briefing normally they get it so because he sits on the government operations Committee of Congress he was talking to the general Accounting Office congress's investigative arm and

they were talking about other matters and anything else that we can do for you he mentioned well he'd sure like to stop this runaround that he was getting from the Air Force well let us look into it the GAO it's mandate look around all the possible government agencies find out where the records are located and see what you can find out about Roswell so as a massive effort they sought information from the Air Force from the CIA from all kinds of other agencies uh and you have to locate records no

t always easy the Air Force and its Infinite Wisdom decided to take the GAO initial challenge they did go to the Air Force and say we need to look at all your records relating to what might have happened there in 94 September 8th 1994 long before the G report was out it was still working on the report the Air Force put out its own report a preemptive strike what a strange reporting it was only 25 pages long or so by Colonel Richard Weaver who actually has taught courses in disinformation which s

eems very appropriate here now in effect what they say in this report then was that well we did lie back in 1947 it wasn't the radar reflector from a weather balloon what it really really was was part of a mogul balloon super secret highly classified project as if this was supposed to be some kind of a revelation well those of us who have been involved I've been working on this since 1978 know very well about project Mogul the air force of course didn't talk to all of the witnesses they made it

sound like they did uh they didn't talk to Major Marcel's son he's still alive medical doctor pilot flight surgeon he handled piece of the rage they didn't talk to the Rancher's son he was out there on site found pieces of the wreckage he handled them didn't talk to him didn't mention that they didn't talk to him didn't talk to the neighbor to whom the Rancher had shown pieces before he even talked to the military I mean the Air Force has a long history of massive misrepresentation about flying

sauc dating right back to this incident but many times afterward and saying false and misleading statements there's nothing to hide there's nothing to hide at all there's nothing to hide there's nothing to hide at all the Air Force also they referred in this 25-page report to all these attachments about project Mogul as if this was some big deal somehow uh in several of the attachments I managed to get hold of copies they weren't Distributing them I know a television crew that was at the Pentago

n wanted to get access to the attachments they wouldn't let them into the library to do that there's nothing to hide there's nothing to hide at all the Air Force said they had the CIA look at the pictures as if they had suddenly discovered these pictures I found them in 1979 in Texas pictures of General Ry with wreckage in his office him and Colonel Duos with wreckage in his off it's phony wreckage and so we're dealing here with massive misrepresentation now later it is interesting the GAO final

ly put out its report was kind of a disappointment uh Congressman shiff got it July 29th 1995 uh put it out that very same day they listed a number of government agencies from whom they had sought material they hadn't found anything basically that's important for one reason anyway they acknowledged and Congressman shiff to his credit pointed it out that one of the things that was missing were the outgoing messages from the Roswell Army Airfield for a 2-year period including the time of the crash

and nobody knows why that material was destroyed or what was in it buried in this GAO report unfortunately is clear that they asked the government agencies CIA FBI and so forth to look in their Freedom of Information files if there had been anything solid in those we'd have known that a long time ago did the Freedom of Information Act provide the information windfall researcher Stanton Friedman was looking for hardly you can read eight words on this CIA UFO document they're not very useful word

s doc reference info location stuff like that now these guys have a weird sense of humor I mean here's a page deny in Toto it says they couldn't even find eight lousy words to release one of the things they did now the Air Force was truly sneaky they quoted this newspaper article the next line which they didn't quote this is attributed to the Rancher was I'm absolutely sure it was not a weather blo they leave that out very conveniently we've had our two years of waiting the question hasn't been

solved certainly not by the Air Force the GAO report was inadequate and incomplete and the American people and the American Congress are still being lied to Charles Hixon and Calvin Parker two Mississippi fishermen reportedly abducted and examined by creatures aboard a UFO in Pascagoula in 1973 do you think United States government is keeping something from us about UFOs there's no doubt in my mind that they they [Music] are [Music] in December 1984 I was first informed that a colleague two coll

eagues of mine in California Jamie shander and William Moore had received in the mail a roll of film on which there were two sets of eight negatives each of a highly classified document which said that there was a crash Flying Saucer recovered near Roswell New Mexico in July 1947 was a briefing for president elect Eisenhower dated 18 November 1952 eight pages is all we had there's a list of a whole bunch of attachments which weren't there and the eighth page was a supposed memorandum from Presid

ent Truman dated September 1947 establish in a group called operation Majestic 12 and the briefing for Eis hour clearly states it's an intelligence and research and development highly classified activity it names the members of The Majestic 12 Group which included the first three directors of Central Intelligence several outstanding scientists uh it was an All-Star cast the question of course is were these documents genuine I spent well over a decade on these documents now all the original membe

rs of mj12 were dead the last one dying just 3 months before we got the documents which is very significant no matter how you look at it document classification is confidential secret top secret and then top secret something Ultra Umbra magic whatever that's a compartmental designation you can only have access to that information if you've been cleared for that compartment I've been to 15 archives at one time or another spending weeks at some of them the eisar library Truman Library National Arc

hive Library Congress manuscript division Etc I have never yet seen special compartmented information it's extraordinarily rare another document received much more recently is a standard operating manual what do you do if you recover the wreckage in bodies from Crash flying saucers also top secret magic that's almost too good to be true was on a roll of film more than 25 Pages wow several of of us all of whom have worked on highly classified programs all of whom have technical backgrounds four o

f us altogether have been digging into these very deeply it is our consensus that we can't find any reason for rejecting these documents we've all raised questions but the documents pass the test so I don't think there's any question that there really was a Majestic 12 group what's interesting about the operating manual is it makes it sound Ro R the recovery of wreckage remember the government has the radar they can spot something coming in and it gives standard procedures for lying to the publi

c and for how you box up this stuff wrap it and ship it and where different kinds of things go to including bodies and it stresses that National Security here is what's the all powerful element in determining what we do if we got to lie to the public if we have to give coverage stories an important part of this is to keep the Russians from knowing what we're doing so these documents are probably the most important ones ever leaked to the American public I worked under security for 14 years I can

appreciate the need for security about certain things sometimes but I think it's time the American people and the rest of the world got told that planet Earth is being visited by extraterrestrial spaceships that we've known about it since 1947 we have bodies we have wreckage we've learned a lot of Technology I think the public can handle it don't you Area 51 that mysterious corner of the Nevada Test Site is no longer much of a secret the fact that secret of things go on here is a given even to

the Soviets who make daily spy flights over the facility to take a peek at what's going on Area 51 is where Francis Gary Powers and the other U2 Pilots were trained in the 50s and where the U2 itself was developed the SR71 spy planes that spotted Soviet missiles in Cuba in the early 60s were also developed at 51 51 is where stealth technology was nurtured where Star Wars devices are still tested and where all manner of CIA monkey business has been plotted and refined and I feel that there's abso

lutely no sign of a hoax that the photographs are genuine that the Witnesses are telling the truth and that this presents probably the best uh without any doubt the best photographic evidence in in 40 Years of UFO investigation do do you sort of extend your beliefs in things that most people don't believe I look for evidence no I look for evidence but remember most people do believe in flying saucers so that doesn't I don't fit into the box of things most people don't believe in but uh the probl

em is you can't dismiss eyewitness testimony too readily the reason we can explain most UFO sightings as relatively conventional phenomena Venus or whatever is because people are good observers or lousy interpreters we know it was Venus because they saw it in that direction at that time at that angle above the Horizon you can't say they're lousy only if they describe something that doesn't fit and and courts of law after all I winess testimony is extremely important [Music] I have no reason to b

elieve that this film is that of a autopsy of an alien recovered anywhere no less New Mexico in 1947 the body the wreckage the story there is no validation what's [Music] soever anyway I drove we went to the El club and I drove her back to the barracks there to the nurses quarters and that was the last time I ever Sor sorry [Music] there [Music] this is the most fantastic story I've ever heard and every word of it is true too that's a fantastic part of [Music] it [Music]