From Novice to Nomad: A Riders Transition of 2 Wheeled Exploration

you hear people say that a 690 or a 701 is the  perfect ad machine there is no such thing there's never going to be a unicorn bike because if  you just look at the physics of it a heavy motorcycle is never going to be as good as a  dirt bike or a lighter a lighter bike off-road and it's also a lighter bike is never going to  be as good as a heavier adventure bike on the highway so you have to find that balance what's  going to make you a better filmmaker is literally taking your phone and going

out and shooting  something and editing it together and it being a good story that's it that's the only that  matters I'm not saying that I would never own one because it's an impressive motorcycle every  time I've ridden it it's it's it makes me smile that's what I love about the adventure segment  is that I can hop on my bike out of my garage I can ride to Texas from North Idaho and I  can hit any terrain I want to for the most [Music] part hey what's up guys welcome to  the backcountry ad Mot

o podcast today I got a really good one for you I've got a good friend  of mine Justin elderman on the podcast for you he is a Navy veteran a full-time filmmaker and he  is also the adventure liaison for Harley D Red Rock Harley-Davidson in uh Las Vegas Nevada so I'm  go ahead and welcome Justin on how are you buddy what's up buddy that was a mouthful yeah it really  was you're liaison what what did we call that uh you're the ADV Community manager manager that's  a that's a it sounds like maybe

that's a madeup position I mean it might be truly a new madeup  position yeah well dude if you've got stuff to bring to the table and uh you know Harley can't  really figure out where to put you I mean that's kind of cool to spearhead that for the uh the ad  Community for Harley so real quick for the viewers here and for the listeners because this is also on  uh all of the audio streaming channels as well um Justin is like I said he's a full-time filmmaker  and um he's been riding motorcycles fo

r quite a while but he's recently switched over from kind  of the road riding into Adventure motorcycles and uh you've been writing a um Pan America for about  how long since 2021 when they came out nice and I don't you don't actually ride for Harley right but  you're kind of an ambassador for Harley is that correct I don't know what I am but I'm very  passionate about the Can America so I seem to keep on getting invited to things I'm definitely  not an ambassador and I I don't work for Harley o

ther than I just started this this dealership job  um and even that I'm kind of a contractor and I do contract work for corporate Harley so sometimes  they pull me in to do photography and video and have kind of niched myself into being like the  advv content guy yeah yeah and that's and that's kind of how we met is uh I started noticing  some of your stuff on social media U with the panamerica have some other friends who have pan  amicas and then your your name just kind of kept coming up and k

ind of started putting two and two  together that you were kind of working closely on some projects with Harley and I mean dude your  your content is very entertaining um you've done a lot of professional stuff but you are just  starting to get into the YouTube right yeah so my girlfriend friend Maggie Hicks and I are actually  doing a YouTube channel it's called The Way We Roam and the whole thing is basically there's  kind of a few different buckets of content but the primary ones are going to

be this Riders guide  which we're starting in the Vegas area and the idea is sort of to have a Backcountry Discovery  route but that's in the backyard and something that you can do in a day or two uh and then we'll  have some stuff that sort of talks about equipment and you know how to gear up your bike you can  see my bike back here toally Adventure ready and yeah we want to talk about that kind of stuff  and some of it's like my girlfriend and I are going to have debates like why should you w

ear  all modular versus having all your armor built in you know what I mean and it's kind of cool  because we definitely have split opinions about these things and that's kind of some of the stuff  we're going to cover well I think it's really cool too because um you're you're fairly new to the  adventure into riding I guess Niche um coming from you know the roadside where all this extra  equipment generally isn't something yeah no one really I mean you think about it I guess as far  as like spo

rt bike and stuff but as far as like the cruiser and like your typical Harley crowd no  one's really thinking about like you know modular armor or what's better and really what you need  off-road so um I think the content that you've got coming down the pipe is pretty good because um  it's it's going to be really geared towards people who uh were just kind of getting into the sport  just like yourself and your like real time Lessons Learned so um pretty excited about it man what  is the YouTube

channel called again the way we roam the way we roam so do definitely check that  one out on YouTube head over there and subscribe um what just kind of getting back to um a little  bit about you you said I told the viewers here you have a military background let's go ahead and go  into that just a little bit kind of touch on that and give me kind of the the the quick version life  story quick version of like where you've come from and what you do now oh man there is not a clip  notes version of

this dude wa can I you guys can edit okay cool um all right yeah I mean there's a  real crazy story but I won't get into that now if you want to hear some more of that go to uh Daner  Dan did a pretty cool podcast with me and he's got a little bit more in depth on that but um yeah  as far as you know I I went to high school right outside New York City and in New Jersey and so 911  hit home very close to home we had kids who lost both their parents in the Twin Towers and so that  was sort of my r

eason for joining the military and then I joined the Navy after I went into the  Army Recruiting office it was all dusty and like you know took my ASVAB there and my stepdad was  like you know you like sailing like being on the ocean why don't you join the Navy and I was like  I'll check out that Recruiting office I walked in there they gave me a mug and they said hey son how  about a uniform that will get you laid and I was like oh hell yeah I'm joining the Navy that's  funny and then I was a h

elicopter mechanic for five years and I did two deployments one in the  northern Arabian Golf and then I did one that was a counter Narco terrorism uh deployment and we  chased down drug runners and played that whole game for six months so yeah pretty wild great  experience you know best decision was joining the Navy second best decision was getting out yeah  yeah I think that's kind of the common thing for a lot of people in the military I mean I did 13  years and it was kind of Bittersweet get

ting out but um it was time for sure it opened up the door  for a lot of other new things uh speaking of that it looks like you know based off of just kind  of what we've talked about and you know if we go to your um links under your Instagram uh you  mentioned sailing you've done a lot quite a bit of sailing right I mean any anything from  like kind of like dinky little sailboats to these massive massive sailboats and had made some  pretty cool uh documentaries um tell tell us about that yeah s

ure so I grew up on a Sabo that's  part of the bigger crazy story uh and crossed the Pacific when I was seven to 10 years old and  then um and that so I've always had this sort of like Affinity towards the ocean I love sailing I  love being on the ocean and uh in 201 13 or 14 or something like that I got hired by a group on the  east coast to come do some coverage on a sailboat race called the Volvo Ocean Race and they were  like yeah we know you like sailing and I always was doing like sort of

the extreme filming so it  was like I was always doing crazy slow motion I was always doing time lapse and got into gimbals  and drones and all that stuff really early like I was an early adopter so I was sort of like the  specialty camera guy and they're like we're gonna do some sailing stuff Edelman why don't we have  you come out and we know you like that stuff so we went out and the first thing that we did was  we interviewed this guy on this boat and he was the onboard reporter and his job

was to go out to  see you with these sailboats so there there was actually eight boats or something like that each  one had an onboard reporter and their job was to go out photograph take five photographs a day and  shoot video and then shoot that over a satellite back to Homebase or they would edit a documentary  or whatever and I was like dude this is what I was born for you know what I mean like so I you  had the passion of the videography and then you had the passion of the sailing all mixed

into one  yeah and they called it the Everest of Journalism because it's some of the hardest filming you could  do in the world because you're in the southern oce and you know it's just like the worst conditions  and it is hard it's really hard to film at see so it was cool because after that I went back  to San Diego and I was like I just changed my mindset I was like I'm every job I do I'm G to be  an onboard recorder you know so I'm always going to take photos and I'm going to put together v

ideo  so I started doing that and it was really cool because that started actually opening up a lot  of um opportunity for me because I would go on set and work as a specialty camera operator but I  was taking cool behind the scene pictures because I was trying to practice and then people were  like dude these are these are rad I would send them to the whole crew afterwards and so then that  started opening up opportunities for me to do more photography and you know and then it was like and  the

n people just wanted me on set because I had like I was always doing these cool photos and then  I started going to all the different yacht clubs in San Diego and I was like hey if you guys have  a race or something let me know I want to film it because I wanted to learn how to film on the ocean  and then one day there was an open call for this onboard reporter AS application and I was like  all right here's my chance you know and so 10,000 applicants and out of 10,000 applicants they  narrowed

it down to 100 they cut 70 and I made it into the top 30 wow and then then I shot over  to Portugal and I started doing some filming with them and honestly what ended up happening is I got  over there and as the kind of curtain was lifted I was like oh man this is a [ __ ] show it was  super disorganized and also on top of that they were just not going to they had changed how their  the pay structure was and so they were just not going to pay me very well and it sucked because  it was kind of li

ke my dream come true but then when I kind of got when I got there I realized  that it wasn't going to be what I wanted it to be um but anyway I had at that point made myself  you know one of the top cinematographers on the ocean in the world you know and had nashed down  in this like really specialty thing um and then I kept working in the sailing scene I got a great  opportunity actually after the onboard reporting thing and I ended up uh taking that where I  was making a documentary for a cou

ple years and traveling around the world um but uh in the  meantime I was uh I still was like doing all the sailing coverage and I just kind of got burned out  dude it was like the sailing industry is stuck in the 1970s and you know it's like trying to explain  to them like hey like if you want to get people interested in this dying sport you know that it  has been basically like unobtainium for most of the population you got to make something that's  interesting to everybody I'm like you know i

t's like if you watch that drive the survive or you  know the one about the Formula One on Netflix it's like you need to do something like that for  sailing and it just like people are like what's Netflix I mean it's not that bad but it was just I  can't do that and also the you know it's just like there's the sport is still very sexist and the  opportunities for women wasn't very good and I had a couple situations where I was just like I'm done  I'm burned out and then this motorcycle thing kin

d of came up and that's it was cool because there's  so much correlation between sailing and adventure riding you know like it's got that whole bipolar  nature uh there's this whole element of survival you know what I mean like and and as far as film  making goes it's on the El it's on the extreme end still and I like that that's where I arrive  so and there it's just that challenge it's like all right well you're on a boat how do you make  the thing about being on a boat is like first of all ev

ery day don't know what you're going to  deal with weatherwise so it's like how do I how do I capture you know these crazy waves today and  capture the people doing what they're doing when everything's soaking wet you know and then it's  like and then and then there's like three days where there's no wind and it's boring as hell  so how do you like make that interesting you know um yeah and then in terms of survival I'm  guessing too I mean like you're very limited on resources you have to kind

of ration out like you  know your time out on the water so it's kind of kind of similar it's a good good transition like  you said into Adventure motorcycling and that was actually a good it's a good transition into my  next question is it what got you into wanting to to be out and be on an adventure motorcycle um as  much as I mean that's pretty much all you do now besides you know your side projects yeah right  um I mean it was a weird serendipitous kind of transition I guess I so I've known m

y girlfriend  for a long time and she and I had kind of re we we met up after not seeing each other for a very  very long time she was living overseas and um she bought a Harley-Davidson and was like I'm gonna go  do a trip to all four corners of the US and I was like well that's cool do you have any sponsors  and she said no and I was like well what do you say we put together a little fil and see if we  can't get you some sponsorship for this trip so I was like all right cool so I went out to V

egas  we filmed we went up to Utah and then we've got she was working in a marketing agency that had a  couple contacts at Harley so she sent this video in an email to Harley and they responded and said  we love this video and we'd like to support you we want to loan you one of our new bikes it's  called the pain America oh wow so that was that was my introduction to the Pan America was like oh  cool after all this work we had done this was the reward and I didn't know anything about adventure 

riding like I rode sports bikes I actually to be totally honest I thought Harley's are kind  of lame they're slow and heavy and you know like not really I just you know my thoughts have  changed to be clear but uh at first it was just like why would I buy this big heavy thing when  I can have this super agile machine you know and I wasn't doing longdistance trips you know I was  just kind of ripping around it was supposed to be like motorcycling for me was like a weekend thing  and you know wasn

't I didn't have a community like any of that stuff so anyway the paint America  pops up and I was like that's cool because I can actually ride for a long time comfortably it's  fast and it is agile and it has the ability to go off-road and I did do dirt biking when I was a  kid but you know I'm not like a dirt kid you know right and um and I was just like man from a film  making standpoint I could load up all my gear in these cases and like and then I could shoot ahead  of people and maybe beca

use it's off-road capable I could get to a good perch and shoot down and  film people so it was like immediately it was like this utility vehicle that's that's sort of  the thought process was and then uh I went after that she got the the bike and she did some stuff  with it she put like three or 4 thousand miles on this one bike and then uh um then we had another  opportunity to where she was riding into sturis with another um influencer and they were doing  sort of this off-road entry into Stu

rges and so I took the opportunity to go and film them and  make a film out of it and it was basically like a spec piece like no one asked for it um but I was  like whatever this is my opportunity to sort of like shine and maybe Harley will like this right  so made the video sent it to Harley and they were like this is cool can we license it from you and  I was like yes you can absolutely absolutely and then in that trip that's when I was like I really  like this bike you know I went back and I

was like I'm gonna I put a deposit down on a bike and  then Maggie's like don't you dare get a bike you don't need a bike right now you got all this  life stuff you need to deal with you know I was like all right and so I yeah right and then and  then like it wasn't long after that I was like nope I'm going to go get this bike so I went in  and got the Pan America and that was it that and then from that point what ended up happening was  that was when the whole world of ADV opened up to me so I

went the first event I went to was one of  the backcountry Discovery route film screenings and I was like yeah I was like oh whoa this is way  more than what I thought it was like I didn't know this whole I didn't know this community I didn't  know this whole world I didn't understand this whole like I didn't even know about like Long Way  Around long way down long way across whatever you know like so I started I I started watching all  those films I you know got really into going to the ADV ral

lies I had a couple people like pull  me in and want to Mentor me and teach me how to ride um a couple people were like dude you make  cool content but obviously you don't know how to ride a motorcycle very well so that's when uh  kind of had that entrance into the new world of advv awesome yeah and and Adventure writing  is it's a whole different animal just as the writing goes because I mean anybody that has  any kind of experience can take an adventure bike and ride it on the road it's it's t

he same  riding on the road as most other bikes but then you take that motorcycle off-road and even even  something simple as just riding a gravel road I mean I I remember just being like white knuckled  having the bike move underneath me uh when I was brand new to dirt riding having an adventure bike  Offroad because again it handles way different than what a dirt bike does a dirt bike you don't  even think twice about it but having that having that big machine move around you move underneath 

you and feel like you don't have control of it is pretty unnerving at first and then you know once  you get some experience and you know that that's just how it is it becomes extremely fun but uh  for new writers that's a it's a huge hurdle to get over it and you know uh off-road and even  just like I said just gravel writing um what what resources have used you mentioned you've  done a little bit of of writers training what other resources have you uh kind of found or come  across that have hel

ped you kind of sharpen your skills um okay it's a good question you recently  went to Austin Moto Adventures Austin Moto Adventures yep yeah so all a little okay so a  couple things one is I want to point out that I think what was really cool was that it was like  a whole new like it opened up a whole new channel of skills for me to learn you know like that was  what I was like whoa okay like there're there're you know it's not at all like a I mean it is kind  of like a dirt bike but it's not l

ike handling a big adventure bike is it's different you don't  you don't do the same things you can with a dirt bike and right um so there is some skills that  obviously go up from dirt biking to these big bikes but it's not these handle differently than  anything else so you have to really learn how to to deal with manage them off-road and I think  that that's cool it's cool it's like unlocking this whole new thing that you can go out and  um you know play around with but so as far as training

goes I hired my friend Rob day uh my  friend Justin cider he also to he was one of the he was the first person to take me out and do an  adventure ride and also kind of give me an intro to some of the skills you know and it's all that  clutch stuff and you know slow moov movements and counterbalance you know and um and then what  I ended up doing just to uh just to give the listeners and the viewers some some uh backstory  on that both those guys you just mentioned are amazing teachers um they'v

e worked for raide  they've worked for um ATX and um have just done lots of stuff on the side as well those guys are  kind of like old school like you know teachers when it comes to the world yeah yeah I don't  want to like just I don't want to just brush over that I kind want to point that out a little  bit but yeah I got pretty I got pretty lucky I feel like two of the 8v Wizards like pulled  me in yeah yeah they're gonna get mad at me they're because I called them old right now but  I didn't

call them old they're Wizards it's fine right they just look old they're like 400 years  old but they look better than that yeah exactly um yeah so it I went from that and then I think  this is like an import important thing to kind of point out is like I feel like sort of the the  Journey of a new ADV writer is like you know you do some hopefully do you need you really need to  do some classes you really need to learn some of the basic skills and you can do that online you  can watch videos on

YouTube or Chris Burch has a great series for I think it's super cheap actually  but um yeah Chris bir has a class that says say no it's say no to slow um but anyway another  great way of kind of getting some skills under your belt is to start going to some of these ADV  rallies and advv rallies are way different than most motorcycle rallies like this isn't about  jumping from one water hole to the next what I found and I loved about going to ADV rallies as I  got there and first of all it's a b

unch of nerdy guys who like gear like me and that's a big part  of it right and then another thing was is like everybody's in bed at 10: like they're not staying  up all night to get wasted they're at bed at 10: because they're going to wake up super early  the next morning to go ride you know and that so that's it's more about the it's more about the  riding than it is the partying you know you don't have somebody firing up their v twin at 3 in the  morning and just revving the crap out of it j

ust because doing burnouts yeah yeah it's way it's  way more mellow and I think the community it's it's a lot more Community Based instead of like  testosterone based I think yeah it's way less ego I mean barely I wouldn't say there's much ego in  it at all you know and anyway uh they have clinics at those things usually and that's a great place  to sort of just get a couple days in and it's not it's not the full experience you know like there  are places like Rawhide and um my favorite is aweso

me Moto Adventures I think that they're  great the uh terrain there is awesome their entire setup and that was recently I did their  level one and two class there and uh it's it's just it's like luxury means Adventure Training  and and Jo Josh was actually on the last podcast and he talks a little bit about that Josh and we  both know Josh and he's kind of a guru as well as far as the instruction goes and he's he's the uh  VP of operations there now and um really helping that that place get off

the ground and they have  a lot of really good well that's that's where Rob Rob works now and um you know a few other people  that have been around in the community so I'll be doing some stuff with them as well here in  the near future probably in March and I can't wait man like it I feel like I'm pretty seasoned  when it comes to Adventure writing but you can never like you just never stop learning you know  there's always always always gonna learn something you know what I mean there's habits

that you that  you end up making and that they will break that that are good you know you need to make sure that  you're not always develop or make sure that you're not developing bad habits so yeah for sure s you  again no you're okay yeah uh yeah basically that's it it's just awesome Moto adventures and u t that  was the real like three days of just raining and you know there was a lot that I learned there and  that's I think the the one thing I'll say about training in general is like you kno

w I can buy  whatever parts for this bike I got a yoshimira exhaust whatever but you know that those things  don't necessarily Carry On To The Next bike that I get but the one thing that always does carry on  on is the skills that you pick up through training and education and also you know dude we're  both military guys we know exactly how valuable training is and why we need it and what it does  for you you know yeah I think a lot of people Overlook that you know they go out and they'll buy  y

ou know an expensive motorcycle and they don't want to invest in themselves to making themselves  better when at the end of the day uh having the training and having the skill is is what's going  to get you well especially when you're out on you know in the in the back country or whatever you  know that's what's going to get you through the day um and it's also it's a safety thing man I  mean um if you it it to take a bike that we ride out and not not know how to handle it it's gonna  it can get

you in a situation that you don't want to be in pretty fast so I think if you're going  to invest any money right out of the gate as a new writer yes all the the bolt-on stuff looks cool um  an exhaust sounds awesome but I tell everybody man training or getting sharpening your skills and  then the number two thing usually a suspension but again that's bike stuff but uh those those  are like the first two things that people always Overlook but sure so let's let's move on a little  bit uh we talk

ed about resources um are there any specific well there's a project that you just got  doing got done doing in you got I'll just brush on it really quick you don't have to go into it  because I know it's kind of super Secret Squirrel stuff but you just got done writing in New Zealand  what was that experience I'm assuming was amazing are there any other uh destinations that you've  got kind of on the the radar that you want to hit up really soon yeah for sure um let's see so  New Zealand real qu

ick uh we we can touch on it I just didn't want to give too much yeah sure so New  Zealand first of all I will have an episode on my YouTube channel on it uh it was an interesting  trip I mean I went with Justin cider who is my mentor and friend and yeah dude like it ended up  being more of an Expedition which I haven't really done something like that before Justin cider  just to give some backstory like he's gone and done Mongolia he's gone all the way down to South  America all on ADV bikes an

d you know touched some pieces of Africa so he's seasoned and you know  has been the person who kind of like you know if you look at the 12ep story of a hero's journey  or whatever like he's kind of the one who like is the mentor who brought me into the new world and  and he's I mean yeah so he on this trip we really he really wanted to try to cover as much ground as  possible and and off-road as possible and that's an interesting challenge when you've never been to  that country before I have b

een there but not on a motorcycle and it was a long time ago you know  and so uh it's an interesting challenge because you don't know what the TRS like you don't know  like it's first of all they they call it Freedom camping but disperse camping or whatever it's not  legal there you can't just Camp wherever like we can on BLM right so the thing with adventure  riding is like well if I get going and I go too late worst case scenario is I'll just stop  somewhere and throw my tent up and sleep it o

ut until the sun comes back up right whereas in  New Zealand that's technically not legal and gotcha then on top of that we just don't know how  far apart gas stations are or how difficult the drain's going to be so that was an interesting  Challenge and you know like we got down there and it was just like go go go go and there were so  many times where I was like this is so beautiful but I'm experiencing it at 80 kilometers an hour  you know you know so um but it was a really good educational t

ype of trip where I now I understand  the difference between an Expedition and a tour you know um so yeah New Zealand New Zealand was  on the list I've ridden pan americ now in India and New Zealand uh the next the next big trips  that I'd like to do uh there is a relationship with Australia because of New Zealand so that's  on my map I really would like to go to and ride around Australia and I really really want to  go to South Africa and I want to ride up to Namibia um that's high on the list

I mean I think  that that's probably I I think I'm probably going back to India this year and I actually want to  ride pan amicas in the Himalayas I did it I did himalayans himalayans on in the Himalayas but now  I really want to do a Pan America I mean the bike is Himalaya is like a Himalayan is like a little  tractor I mean it's a great bike super reliable the nice thing is everybody knows how to fix them  in India if one of them breaks there's probably one laying in a gutter or in the Ravine

down there  that they can pull parts off of you know whereas a Pan America is like this like super machine that  is unobtanium for most people over there so uh it's going to be a challenge in itself with that  in mind but I really want to do it it's fun such a fun bike you know so um and then same thing  Australia I want to do it on pan Americas South Africa I want to do it on pan Americas uh and my  goal is to try to get on as many continents and countries as possible riding a Pan America you 

know like cool now it's like why the hell not yeah for sure we um Us in fieldcraft two years ago  had really talked about trying to do pan Americas from Morocco to um to Jerusalem and there was a  lot of stuff that was involved in that and that was when the pan P America just kind of first came  out and then there's also been obviously a lot of issues in the in the Middle East lately so that  has been put on the back burner but I mean just going through Libya and Egypt and all that would  just b

e freaking epic in North Africa along the Mediterranean um I think we still have you know  that on in our sites but uh we'll just have to see and I don't know maybe we can get Harley on board  to support that somehow so uh you know we you just got to know some people yeah right yeah it helps  it definitely help helps to take good pictures make cool content and just you know it's like I  can't tell you how many times dude it's like with the Pan America it's such an interesting thing  because I ge

t it like dude I had an opinion about Harley-Davidson well before I ever got to Pan  America and to be completely honest I never would have bought a Harley-Davidson if it wasn't for the  Pan America the bike right this bike was this bike was the it's what brought me into the family and  not only that but opened my eyes up to ADV and I honestly like I remember seeing ADV bikes before  and I was like those things are so ugly you know like no offense but I just was like they look to  me they all lo

ok like bugs they got their heads bit off you know and I really I liked the Pan  America I just thought it was like such a cool looking bike it's a very unique bike for sure yeah  and then the utility of it and the thing is is like now that I have been in the ADB Community as  long as I have what I can say is like dude Harley came out hitting heavy with this bike yeah you  know what I mean like this is up until recently it was the most technologically Advanced adventure  bike it's 150 horsepower

you know it it's it's fun it's super fun to ride if I were to I've ridden  the GS I've ridden triumphs um you know I've I've test ridden a bunch of different bikes and I'm  the type of person that when I'm out riding with people who have other bikes and they've never  been on the Pan America I'm like you want to Dy my bike out and they're like yeah actually you  know and so that's my opportunity be like cool this guy's got a KTM 1290 I want to see what this  thing's like you know right and and

gives me an opportunity to sort of try something else and see  what that's like on the trails or whatever and you know what I'll say about the Pan America is that  it's kind of like the BMWs are a highly refined machine they're really nice there's no doubt right  but right it's like it's like owning a BMW versus having a Mustang you know the the pan Amica has  that like Americana feel it's powerful feels like big ass dirt bike yeah it's a fun bike you know  I I I wrote it in 2021 when they first

came out and uh at Giant Loop actually and then they had a  little off-road course set up and dude I you know I I had my my thoughts just by the first looks  at it that it was going to be kind of a okay bike and I was really impressed by it I I would  say probably the only reason I haven't bought one was because I wanted to give it a few years and  uh of course I got a really good deal on my BMW but um I'm not saying that I would never own one  because it's an impressive motorcycle every time I

've ridden it it's it's it makes me smile and um  like you said the the the technology that it's got on it is pretty awesome I mean I'm pretty short  so having that that freaking adjustable adjustable ride height adjustable ride height is awesome and  then I'm excited when I do go up to um a or down to ausome moto Adventures that I'm actually going  to spend some time on that bike I was supposed to go down with rent them out there yeah I was  supposed to go down with Josh here in February and do

um The Scouting mission for the um the bdrx for  a Texas down in um what is that Big Bend but it just didn't work out in my schedule and I would I  was excited about it because I was going to spend a week on one of those things you know really  get a feel for it but I'll get my time for sure um but the the panamerica it's it's no slouch man  I think that people had I think people just have a and I don't understand it I don't understand  why people have turn their nose up at it so much because e

ven the spec sheet even if you don't if  you were to take the specs of that bike and take the brand name off of it and put it out there it  blows so many other bikes out of the water so I don't I don't understand I think I think people I  think a people will eventually come around um to to Harley and they'll see that the the value that  it offers because even even for the price I mean it it is it is yeah it is in the higher um I guess  realm for adventure bikes but there's way there's several ot

her bikes that are higher than that they  are way more expensive yeah and you get a lot for your money so defin this is not a sales pitch  for by me no no not at all but there's a couple of things first of all I have to say what's been  funny is that even in New Zealand dude like people are like oh yeah you know you can't do this on a  big adventure bike you know and it was that was just a big adventure bike period right but then  add in at Harley-Davidson you know and it was really cool to be l

ike all right like not to be a  schmuck and be like oh I'll take the challenge but it's like no actually like you can do it on a big  adventure bike and the nice thing about this bike and most of the adventure bikes is that like our  New Zealand Expedition dude we had to crush some slab you know what I mean and it was enjoyable and  was comfortable and we had all our stuff with us you know to hit the slab for a while and then when  we hit the dirt guess what it's super fun you know and I think t

hat's been something that's been fun  like being one of the early adopters and I had no idea about anything related to ADV but you know  I was out there and I'm new and I'm starting to I'm doing these things on this bike people are  like who I didn't think Harley's could do that I didn't think the Harley P America was able to do  that you know and um so that's been cool just kind of like change some perspective in mind on it the  other thing too that and I don't know if this is like a real true

story this is just something that  I've heard but the engineers at Harley there are a few that were ADV Riders and they were they had  BMWs and other bikes right and I think from the story that I heard is that a lot of them were  playing around with ideas that if Harley ever were to make an adventure bike what would they do  and there was things like the brimo brakes and you know the adjustable ride height and all this stuff  that they had kind of dreamed up and then one day they got the go-ahea

d like hey this is a you know  ADV is one of the fastest growing segments and you know we're trying to expand our family and let's  go for it you know what I mean and these guys were like yes you know and I think there's a lot of  people out there I know a handful of people who have a cruiser Harley and an add bike you know  a BMW or whatever and so now this is that now you can have the Harley in the garage you know  yeah yeah and and I think what's cool and as you mentioned and Lori uh from alb

ack motor in Tech  and I talked about this on on a previous podcast too is that it seems like a lot of Adventure  Riders are kind of wanting to transition to this lighter weight motorcycle like they're converting  KTM 500s or you know there you hear people say that a a 690 or a 701 is the perfect advv machine  and there is no such thing there's never going to be a unicorn bike because if you just look at the  physics of it a heavy motorcycle is never going to be as good as a dirt bike or a light

er a lighter  bike off-road and it's also a lighter bike is never going to be as good as a heavier adventure  bike on the highway so you have to find that balance I mean the t7 does a pretty good job of  it the um the Ducati does a pretty good job of it the tour EG does a pretty good job of it but again  all three of those bikes aren't perfect and being somebody who has ridden just about everything I  think the only thing I haven't ridden in in the new age of Adventure bikes is the new uh the Ho

nda  trans out but you know the t7 is amazing off-road especially once you put proper suspension on it  but after about three hours on the highway you want to get off that thing you know at least take  a couple hour break or so whereas my BMW man I can ride that all I can ride a thousand miles on that  bike and not be sore when I get off of it and I think the Pan America is the same way it's one of  those bikes that you can you can ride most actual Adventure terrain because I think a lot of peop

le  too just to kind of spin off of that I think a lot of people that come from the dirt bike World they  want to take Adventure bikes on this gnarly Enduro you know you know big single track or or wide  single track or two track and the adventure bikes can do it but it's not what it's made for you're  GNA you're going to beat the bike up and you're GNA probably end up breaking something to Breaking  yourself at the end of the day because it's just that's just not what those bikes are designed f

or  the adventure bikes are designed for adventure touring for the most part so going on and off-road  it's a big dual sport motorcycle you can do both and I think if people keep that in mind that  that's what they're intended for then they'll be happy with what they purchase but if they go  into an inventure bike thinking that they're going to you know go ride the same stuff that they ride  on the weekends on their 450 they're going to be unhappy with it and I I think people just need  to kind

of get that into their mind and that's what I love about the adventure segment is that I  can hop on my bike out of my garage I can ride to Texas from North Idaho and I can hit any terrain I  want to for the most part in in between anything I mean for the most part anything that a a Jeep can  go on adventure bikes can go on so I know that's I think another another another thing to point out  to you with some of these oems is like the dealer network is super important to keep in mind when  you're

doing adventure riding you know like any because the cool thing about Harley for example  is they're everywhere dude you know like yeah they're all around the world and same with BMW  right like there's a really good dealer Network and that's really important because the reality  is like dude these spikes you were I'm hard on mine you know and you got to get new tires and  you gotta get you got to do service thing like if you're G to go Crush you know the distance from  here to South America yo

u know to isua like yeah going to have multiple servicing you need to get  done in between here and there and so H having that dealer network is it's that's a vital piece  of like the Expedition and Adventure planning you know yeah and that's another thing about Harley  too and you mentioned is that I mean gosh there's I mean no matter what state you're in there's  multiple dealerships for Harley whereas you know you go to other brands like you know Ducati  or anything like you know there's you'

re going to struggle to even maybe even have one maybe one  maybe here in Las Vegas we have we have three in Las Vegas yeah talking about in Texas around  Austin I think I think I can't remember what the number is but it's insane between Dallas Austin  and Houston there's like 50 plus dealerships I mean you pick just pick one you know so uh having  having that is definitely a plus when it comes to adventure bike segment well I think we've uh I  think we've beat that up a little bit I think peopl

e understand our opinions on the adventure  bike that it's you know humbly that the it's the best segment you can be in if you're going to  ride a motorcycle but yeah right let's switch let's let's switch over to a little bit of your  cinematic photo or videography background um I know that you've done uh a lot of documentaries  and and stuff like that and you have plans to do similar stuff off the motorcycle so for people  who you know may have a a YouTube channel that are watching this or they

want to just document  their own trips for social media or not if they want to make their own home to call it home videos  of their travels what what camera gear do you use and maybe let's talk about three or four pieces  of gear that a new videographer could get in could could purchase to get in and actually start  making quality videos for you know their their Adventures um I think before we even start  on equipment I think there's something more important than to chat about and that's like 

when it comes to all these things first of all understanding what the end goal is you know like  why are you building a YouTube channel you know what I mean it's kind of like uh the people in  Hollywood who are actors it's like why are you an actor well somebody says because I want to be  famous like that's not a very good reason to be an actor right but if you are an actor because  you enjoy getting into character and because you enjoy entertaining people you know there's that's  a good reason

I think to be an actor right and so I think the same kind of goes with film making  it's like and YouTube and all that like if you're GNA do this you better love it because if you  don't you're gonna really hate it and it's hard it takes a lot of work um so I think it needs  part of like the conversation or yourself needs to be what's the end goal and even like to take  that a step further I do what I do with a lot of businesses is actually strategy when it comes to  video so it's like video a t

ool you know like I I literally can as a filmmaker a documentarian  you can change the world like that's cool you like you can change people's opinions like we all  know like look at all the political ads out there look at the documentaries that have changed  people's eating habits and you know like it you can have a huge impact with video and that's  I think that's exceptional somebody watching this video today could be like I don't even I never  knew about adventure riding but I like what thes

e guys talked about today I want that you know what  I mean like we have the power to change lives and all that and I think the other thing is once you  get into YouTube like it's one thing to be like I just want to make videos and get views and likes  and all that but for what reason you know what I mean like if in the end of the day it should  be like it I have a business that I'm trying to Market or I'm gonna I one day I want to teach  classes about the thing that I'm filming like you don't n

eed to be a filmmaker who's going to sell  film making but you could be somebody who's like um a survivalist who's selling survival kits  you know what I mean and or you could be um somebody who is really into knitting and you're  just learning the art of film making to be able to express your passion for knitting you know and  and then eventually you're going to have online courses for knitting and that's what you're trying  to sell so I think they're needs to be like this end goal and then you

know then the next thing  when it comes to film making is understanding that it doesn't matter what gear you use or what you  have ultimately the most important thing is how good can you tell a story and or how good can you  break down some information so it's understandable to a lot of people so it's almost better to be  really good at powerpointing presentations than it is to uh be really good at making beautiful photos  you know what I mean or taking beautiful shots because at the end of the

day like there's this  guy who I worked with recently and I don't know if you know what the Dunning Krueger effect is but  it's basically so somebody doesn't realize what they don't know and so this guy you know got some  nice camera gear and you had a Gimbal and a drone and all this and he's out there and he's literally  it's like he's jumping from one thing to the next and you know and then he's like and then he puts  together this cinematic Masterpiece and it's like dude if you understood Du

nning Krueger effect is  like it's what you don't know you know it's the things that you you don't realize you're getting  into something a new field and there's all this stuff up here that you're just not familiar with  yet because you haven't been exposed to it and so anyway this guy thinks he's made like cinematic  gold and it's like dude all you did was make you got some decent shots that were cinematic I'll  give you that but like you didn't use any of those tools appropriately like a gimba

l has a specific  time in use and a drone has a specific time in use and a long lens and slow motion and all these  things they are tools and they need to be used appropriately at the right time right and you know  then like he put together this super long video of all these cinematic shots and yeah it's impressive  to you and it's impressive to the people who don't really know how to do any filmm but it's not  impressive to the rest of the world they're going to shut it off after 15 seconds bec

ause there's  no story there's nothing there right and so yeah that's what's really important is to understand  how to keep somebody engaged and anyway but will get into gear because it is exciting so I think  uh when it comes to gear you know if you're just starting out I would say the osmo pocket right now  which you you know we both have talked about but that thing is so sweet it's such a good deal you  have wire so audio audio is 50% of a video people don't realize that but it's so important

if I'm at  the back of this room right now and I don't have microphone and you can barely hear me you're going  to shut this off right away right there's the osmo pocket osmo pocket it's just a cool like gimbal  gimbal camera that shoots I mean 4K really good quality and like you said audio-wise it comes with  a wireless microphone and yeah as you're saying I mean the the audio makes or breaks a lot of things  you can have amazing footage but if you have crap audio it's just it's hard to watch

yep it's I mean  it's hard to watch or it's not watchable you know right yeah um so I would say that uh if you're  getting into photography and you want to do it professionally then you know I would consider  I I'm a Sony guy but Canon and and uh you know all the brands have good cameras now it's the  reason I went down the Sony route was because I feel that they are they push the envelope when  it comes to video so their their photo cameras are great but they always been sort of like they've  p

acked technology in their cameras that the other brands weren't doing early on so like Canon didn't  really have slow motion features whereas Sony was like packing crazy 240 frames per second burst  at 1080p way back like 10 years ago you know and that's like that put that literally put me on the  map I was like the slow-mo guy you know and the only other way you could do that kind of stuff was  to have a red camera which was like $50,000 and I obviously when I got started I couldn't afford  tha

t so it's was cool to like have these tools accessible early on so I like Sony's and I think  that if you're going to get into professional photography it's worth the investment of getting  a good camera body I mean you have the a6600 or whatever what is it a6700 yeah a6700 so that's  a good one like it's a it's a small sensor uh but you can still take really good photos with it  it's super affordable and the nice thing about it is it's e-mount so if you start buying lenses  for it like the big

thing is actually lenses are the investment because that's what's going to  last a long time you know like that's that thing I was talking about earlier you know this exhaust  isn't necessarily going to transfer over onto the next bike but there are some things that will  well the lenses are that thing that's going to transfer into the next body that you buy so the  thing is you can spend less money on a body get comfortable start learning getting good at it and  then as you start to build up yo

ur money you can be like well I'm going to pull the Tri on this  $2700 lens but just know that $2,700 lens that's fullframe is going to last you for 10 years you  know and that's going to jump from from your small sensor camera to your full frame camera and work  seamlessly into the next one so that's where you kind of invest your your glass and or sorry your  money into glass and then yeah um I don't know drones and you know like all these things gimbals  and drones are worth having I think dro

nes have gotten really played out in a lot of video so  everybody's in the beginning it was awesome because everybody was just like wow this is so  cool but now it's like all right this is not the proper use of a drone I think that for what we  do having a drone is super interesting because yeah you know when it when when it comes to that  situation where we're Le where we we we're trying to go and work our way through section nowadays  because the Drone batteries last 40 minutes I can leave a d

rone in the air I have I actually attach  my controller to my handlebars and so what I do is I ride through the shot with my group of people  and then as soon as we get outside the frame then basically I reposition the Drone fly it over yeah  and this one has a wide angle and a zoom lens so I can get the Cinematic looking shot and same  thing and all I can have us riding through the shot you know out the back and so it's cool now  I'm able to build out a bunch of shots that if the only other way

to do that would be for me to  haul ass on the motorcycle way up ahead bust out my big camera wait for somebody to come you know  they pass through then I got to get back pack my stuff back up and blast pass them again and do  that and at the amount of time it takes to do that is a lot you know so that's a good point um  I I think people in this day and age man you don't have to have like professional grade professional  grade gear to be able to produce something that is professionall looking I

mean this this has a 1-in  sensor so it's a it's got a pretty good sensor in this pocket um it's it'll shoot in a log flat  format it'll shoot um you know slow motion all that stuff um helmet cams like like your your DJI  osmo action 4 in my opinion this is better hands down than what a than what a GoPro is um lots of  reasons that I'll go I'll I'll make a video for all the stuff that I carry but there's there's  small you know we're limited on space in a on a motorcycle so there's there's this

small handheld  gear that you know that's two cameras right there that that don't take up hardly any room and are  I mean they can produce a professional with the right story can produce a professional video just  in those two things right there you know and uh do I carry a a bigger camera sometimes but also  sometimes I don't want to get it messed up so sometimes I don't bring it you know because the  dust the environment the water all that stuff do I want to ruin a $1500 camera from the eleme

nts  whereas these are way easier to replace I mean uh and then you talk about drones well he's getting  that I think it's really important to point out like this box right here my goal when I go ride  now is I have to try to get all the gear that I'm going to use to film in just that box yeah yeah be  small compact and this is the Drone that I carry and again it's not it's not the best drone that  DJI makes but it's amazing for low light it has a it has a one-inch sensor and it will do the job 

I mean for for what we do especially for YouTube because YouTube does uh you know it it degrades  the film once you or the video Once you upload it anyway even at 4K it's not truly 4K so I feel  like those three things alone for somebody who's getting started with those three tools you can  produce just about anything with I mean and I mean the thing that we carry in our pocket every single  day will produce a really good video the phone does a really J that's a really really good point  so we

recently upgraded to the iPhone 15s and it is just simply because like dude I can quickly  pull that out and get those shots you know and and it's good and you know the thing is all right  I will say there is like a level of understanding when you do work with professional cameras like  I mean I've worked with the top Cinema cameras in the world and so when you when you there are  things like compressing space with a long lens and like there there's cinematic tools that you  can use that help te

ll the story or whatever or can make things look more cinematic so like one  of the down size to the osmo pocket if that's your only camera you're pretty much limited to it  being a wide angle it will do do a digital Zoom but it's not there's a difference between having  an optical compression of the background not even optical zoom but if I have a telephoto lens oh  yeah that's you know instead of being zoomed in telephoto which uh basically what will happen  is like I can have something like t

his really epic mountain in the background and a subject  and the way that it optically compresses things so it looks like that person's standing almost  up against that big mountain them background and you know it's whereas like if you're on a wide  angle lens uh that person standing there the mountain in the background looks like a little  tiny Hilt because of the way decompresses space you know it makes things seem farther apart than  they really are so those are things that like as you get d

own the line they're important elements  to storytelling and all that that you can kind of incorporate later and that's some of the things  that you let go of by having all this stuff but at the end of the day especially on YouTube it's all  about telling a good story you know what I mean like it doesn't matter what like if I tell you a  good story and I shut the whole thing with a phone then dude hell yeah it's it's funny that you say  that the one of the best performing videos on my channel is

that ASMR video that I did last summer  and I brought my big camera but I actually forgot my battery charger so I started shooting that  on the big camera and I had no way to charge my battery once it got low so I shot the other hours  of video on my phone in cinematic mode which is actually 1080P and dude it turned out it's one of  the best pieces of of video I've ever produced and for what I think at least and based off viewers  and comments so I I think it all boils down to again just how yo

u tell the story and with that  ASMR video there's no words so you're telling the entire story with with video and if you've never  tried to do that and you're uh you're aspiring to be you know a videographer and stuff like that do  that because that will make you I learned so much in that one weekend of camping than I've learned  so far and I'm by no means anywhere near the level that you are like I I I produce videos for on  YouTube to help people learn how to do stuff how to work on their bik

es uh which gear to get to  get when they go and purchase making an investment on gear and then I I like writing so I like to to  document that but in the recent couple of years I've gotten really hooked on trying to produce  better quality video and that's kind of where my passion is now is that like number one is my  is motorcycles and number two is videography so that's kind of why I've started to invest in  bigger and better cameras but um I still you know I can always be a better Storytelle

r and I  think that's like you said is what really hooks people when it comes down to it yeah I mean I  took my camera out of here but I mean I have these big professional cameras that I would never  take for something like this but the time that I would the time that I would use that is you know  Harley gives me a budget and I'm producing a a commercial like yeah then it's like right there is  a difference in production quality that's kind of important you know and especially if airs on TV  or

whatever and you know so like there's a time and a place but I think the biggest thing is like  it's all about learning storytelling like I think I I remember one of the activities I went to film  School kind of it was like a media art school but one of my instructors he had us edit a video  together it was like we had to make a little documentary and I think mine came out to like 11  minutes and then we came back into class and he's like he's like we thought we were all gonna  present our video

s and he goes okay guys you have three days to make this half the length that  it is right now and it has to make sense and so I was like oh [ __ ] yeah so I went I went through  and all of a sudden I realized there was so much stuff in there that could just like it didn't need  yeah it didn't need to be there it wasn't like essential for the story you know it's like I had  all this extra stuff that and it's important when you film your own stuff like there's a really good  book it's called I th

ink it's called in the blink of an eye and it's really short but it's about  editing and they talk about the movie editing the movie Apocalypse Now and the of the the blink  of an eye book being really short yeah right well anyway so uh uh there's this story though where  he's talking about how the director which I think it's Francis Copo right and um anyway the director  and the DP they they they like they got $110,000 to do this one shot where they're hanging from a  crane and the DP the cinem

at for almost dies and like all this stuff and so the thing is at the end  of the day they sent all the film home and that shot never even made it in the edit and the reason  being is because the edit the the director and the and the cinematographer who went through all this  pain to get the shot weren't there to be like dude you don't know how much pain and struggle I went  through for that one shot it has to be in the edit because the editor was just looking at things from  the standpoint of l

ike this adds no value to the story you know what I mean and I think that that's  something that's like really important like you and I know dude I sweat I like broke a lens I blah  blah blah blah blah this I I want this shot to be I want there so much for this shot to be in there  but at the end of the day does it does it actually add any value to your story and that's the most  powerful thing is like doesn't matter what you do this on like it's fun the gear is inspiring the  gear is it can be

like I get a new lens and it it it is something where I'm like I'm inspired  I want to go out and I want to shoot with this new lens but but you know it's like just remember  story story story yeah and I think too try trying to take some of the emotion out of it because um  whenever you're for instance when I when I wrote in Colorado this year something that Drew a lot  of emotion out of me like this the scene that in my own eyes was just amazing and epic and then  you get it on video and it jus

t didn't capture it and I wanted to put it in there because it  it pulled this emotion out of me but you know setting looking back at it again I didn't end  up putting it in there because it just wasn't it just wasn't something that was portrayed in  the actual video so you have to kind of think about that just because it's awesome to you or  you have this emotion with it um doesn't mean somebody else is going to and I think video not  only with story but video should pull emotion out of people

when they watch it there should be some  type of emotion emotion that's that's triggered so we do we can go into this stuff for a really long  time I think for the viewers and the listeners I I think we should probably do some type of like  the gear we carry like what's in our camera box or camera bag on a motorcycle I think that'll  be a good one I've done that I've done that in the past but it's it's vastly changed since I've  done that so maybe you and I can collaborate on that in the future

and do a a do a video on that  as well for people who are who are interested I mean we may have lost people like 15 minutes ago  when we started talking talking about this because some people just don't care but um I think for  you being a professional videographer I wanted to touch on it just a little bit because you have  a a wealth and knowledge and um you don't know it yet but you're kind of my mentor when it comes  to this kind of stuff so well you're killing it dude I don't know how much M

entor can do because  you're already had it it's like hey oh yeah this came out these tji mics you're like these ones  like yeah well I'm D I'm a sucker and and that's the thing man that kind of what we just talked  about I'm a sucker for buying new gear thinking it's going to make my production better and it it  will but we have you have to know how to use that stuff first and there's dude I got this brand  new can or Sony fx30 and I'm like oh this hang has so many buttons I don't even know wha

t all  this stuff does but I'm willing to learn so um yeah don't don't buy a piece of new equipment  thinking it's going to change the way things because you'll still make [ __ ] video if you use  it the same way you're useing I I can I have the best Testament in the world to that I mean I went  out and bought Sony's Cinema Camera they're like the Sony Venice you know thinking like this  is it this is going to make this is going to change everything and I got this giant expensive  camera that is

absolutely stunning when it comes to Quality and all that and the features and the  tools but dude like the support equipment that you need for it the the crew that you need to shoot  with it the like it's just no that's not going to make you a better filmmaker what's going to make  you a better filmmaker is literally taking your phone and going out and shooting something and  editing it together and it being a good story that's it that's the only thing that matters and I  I like went through a

long phase of like thinking like I'm just going to buy this one more piece of  gear I'm going to buy this one this one thing will change everything and like dude I I don't I'm  trying to get rid of stuff now you know like I really I've gotten to a point now where it's like  dude do I I have a steady cam I just actually shot with the steady cam I have a Super Bowl ad that  I'm gonna be in um or some of my shots will be in um but you know it's like do I really want to  keep doing the Super Bowl o

r sorry the steady cam thing like it does pay really well but it's just I  don't do it enough like I'd rather sell that piece of equipment and build up a razor that I can take  and do off-road media production you know what I mean like yeah I think that'd be sweet like it's  more in line with what I'm doing right now and I want to just some things I just want to get rid  of dude I have so much you should see my gear room it's ridiculous like there's just this period  of time where I was just lik

e building it up and now it sits there in cust you know I do that I  do that same or two times I do that same thing with Moto gear I have all this Moto gear that I  just you can only you can only wear so much at a time you know so I just recently went through  and kind of cleaned house on that but man uh we're looking about an hour and 10 minutes or so  right now um about an hour or so I guess because we had some edits but um man I I appreciate your  time I know you have kind of a busy day um an

d you're just a freaking wealth of knowledge if  you're listening to this or watching this know that we we are going to be doing things a lot here  in the future we've got some stuff planned and um I'm hoping you know we can get together a couple  times this summer and and really just crush it on some good videography stuff really you you can't  hope bro you just gotta put it in the CNA make it happen that's right that's that's that's what  the biggest lesson I've learned is anybody out there wh

o wants to do an adventure let me tell you  this you want to go to New Zealand you want to go to South Africa you want to go ride in India put  it in the calendar you know make yourself be like yeah like all right I don't have enough money in  the right now to go to South Africa but if I make my goal that I'm going to go there in November  and I have a plan and I know how much it's going to cost then you can work towards that so that  November comes around and there you are you're flying off you

got dude all right so all right  man well we'll go ahead and'll cut it off here man I appreciate your time guys uh if you haven't  yet leave a comment down below let us know what you think um anything you have any questions  you have about videography uh just Adventure motorcycle travel any of that stuff uh hit them  hit us down below either me or Justin will comment on it and get back to you as quick as possible  I love the comments I love the interaction and I love the community that the adve

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