Historians rank Biden as the 14th-best president...Trump is ranked last

though on this President Day you have a new piece in the New York Times that's looking at a new survey ranking US presidents you right in part this President Biden has not had a lot of fun cring polls lately he has a lower approval rating than every president going back to Dwight D Eisenhower at this stage of their ten years and he Trails former president Donald J Trump in a fall rematch but Mr B Mr Biden can take solace from one survey in which he is way out in front of Mr Trump a new poll of h

istorians ranks Mr Biden as the 14th best president in American history just ahead of wooder Wilson Ronald Reagan and ulysis S Grant while that may not give Mr Biden a spot on Mount Rushmore it certainly puts him well ahead of Mr Trump who places dead last as the worst president ever and in the six o'clock hour I made a gratuitous mention of Chester Arthur this is where I will ask you this is where I call supporters call you yeah still by the phone um I hope you'll mention Franklin Pierce at som

e point and you're mention here another overlooked president um but tell us about this ranking here and why historians ranked I mean 14th that's pretty good what were the reasons yeah by the way I can make a good case for Chester Arthur I think he's underrated um look that'll be in our 10 o' hour every president is appealing to two constituencies one of course is the American public because you don't get to be president unless you get their support but the other is history every single president

of course has his eye and eventually her on where they are in history and what Mark they're going to leave this President of course saw himself at one point as another FDR we could argue about that but he wanted to make his Mark and they and so to have this poll I think is a little bit gratifying now can you genuinely measure an incumbent president's place in history when he's not even done of course not his place will history will depend in part on whether he wins this fall or not if he loses

this fall and and ushers Donald Trump back into the presidency that will definitely affect his story's view of his of his presidency but in any case what it says is that they are respecting him for having ousted Trump in the first place and trying to restore the presidency and the country to a certain degree of normaly uh and it also says something about Donald Trump of course is that he's dead last they do not consider him even they consider him even worse than James Buchanan Franklin Pierce uh

and the other sort of 19th century U you know failures who got us into the Civil War and mismanaged it afterwards John meum just called the control room and lobbied for Jes G pulk to be in the top 10 we should know for the record the top five in order Lincoln FDR Washington Teddy Roosevelt uh Thomas Jefferson and CAD a final note I recall there was one of these surveys a few years ago when it came out also had Trump last and the uh descendants of James Buchanan who traditionally is ranked last

were thrilled and gave interviews saying finally we're not bringing up the rear Franklin Pierce is a direct antecedent of barar bush yes that's true that exactly right trivia I've been to the Franklin Pierce Homestead in New Hampshire I will admit that in the safety of this I went to his grave there yeah I ier I got you matched this a very geeky group here let's go from history