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How James Rollins Went From Treating Pets to Writing Best Selling Novels

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Ryan Bethea

1 year ago

telling you i had jurassic park sitting above my  desk oh kind of had i remember that was my first novel uh short fiction prior to that so i  was writing my first novel i wasn't sure how to write a novel again no formal training  in writing so i thought i'm going to use jurassic park as a template so i'm looking at  like when does he first introduce the dinosaurs okay well that's what you're going to see the  first monsters in my book you know when does he kill off the first character well that'
s that's  a page i'm going to kill off a character so i used jurassic park almost as a template for for  building my first story folks before we start this episode if you could do one thing would you please  hit that subscribe button it really helps us out we'll kick those tires and start that virtual  fire once again we are camping remotely due to our fantastic gas price situation here  and uh given that our current guest lives in the beautiful paradise of tahoe  and we are down in southern cal
ifornia we are not able to be together  today but don't let the dissuade you um he has told me how beautiful it is up there  and so we are there in spirit my guest uh is actually a very distinct and diverse array  of hobbies including amateur spelunking scuba diving and was a veterinarian before deciding to  leave behind the exciting world of cats and dogs to something even just marginally more interesting  is sci-fi fantasy thrillers and becoming a best-selling author so was that the right care
er  move we will find out today from mr jim rollins james rollins thanks for being here sir jim is  good okay and uh and not not former veterinarian i can i can still neuter a cat in under 30 seconds  if uh if uh the need arises i still work with a uh a group that basically i do volunteer work with my  degree now they trap feral cats in the sacramento valley i spend one sunday a month spaying and  neutering them i did i did see that that you still do use your degree to do that and uh that's  tha
t's uh i'm glad you find that fulfilling um i do it for two reasons it is fulfilling i mean  it is a way of controlling disease vectors and those little kitten factories out there they also  do it for the uh the underlying sense that at some point someone's gonna go hey this guy really can't  write uh you know if your scalp don't get back to work you know i need to keep my my skills a little  bit at home in case that that scenario ever arises that's true and i well you're so prolific and  author
and we're gonna have to get into how you actually do all this and i love that you wrote  it seems like you were able to write amidst meowing and barking and birds chirping and still  managed to crank out this many novels and become a international new york times bestseller so i am  going to have to ask how it seems a shot across the bow to people who say they can't work in  noisy environments when you seem to have proven quite the opposite if anything i prefer i can't  write if it's deathly qui
et uh you know i've got it with this music but generally what i have  is a syrup behind there there's a little black corner of a television screen oftentimes i'll have  that on just muted low not mutable but just on low just to get a little bit of background white noise  uh when i write it's just uh if it's totally quiet it unnerves me and maybe it's because for  the first you know almost decade of my career i was working out of my uh veterinary clinic  and so working on my lunch hour so we're i
nterrupted by receptionists phones ringing dogs  you know barking cats male as you mentioned uh so one of the best places i get writing done is  on an airplane and it's just that background noise and the rumble of the engine and people  chattering around uh really an airplane and coach of course i man i don't know i just i can't do  the t-rex thing um i'm 6'5 and i don't know how like someone reclines and it's like my computer  turns into 3d it just like you know boom i've tried writing i do app
reciate that when you're  locked you know and the only option is mediocre movies um and you're starving and you can just you  know crank out i guess you know have you uh do you work on like international flights i've heard of  authors that will actually charter like they'll forget on flights because they know that's  like uninterrupted 12 hours of like you know they actually one guy was saying he flew to  japan and back so he could finish a book no i have not i've not done that not that extreme
of  uh you know i can turn the television on that's that's sufficient for you know trapping me and  having me to write um yeah i mean it's always disconcerting sometimes when you're you know the  person sitting next to you you know looking over your shoulder reading what you're writing and so  you know my stories are full of you know blood and gore and destruction so sometimes i'm wondering  you know what people think when they're looking over my shoulder and if they're in the middle seat  they'
re like this guy in the aisles like a serial killer or a great author you know at least you get  some feedback right like it's maybe get some weigh in on some story notes right one one person that  was reading uh my uh what i was writing and he goes oh you're writing about you know great pierce  are you writing fan fiction for the sigma series i don't know it's actually my series so oh that's  cool that's awesome that's really cool now i i do have to ask so as just being a a veterinarian for  so
long i imagine you've seen the gamut of strange occurrences with animals uh is there a particular  incident that i love asking er doctors this too is there any particular noteworthy bizarre  incidents involving uh pets or animals that stand out to you that are appropriate  for most audiences well i definitely um you know part of my practice was exotics so it  was me and one of the doctors were the avian vets for the area so you know i was the one seeing  birds and reptiles and you know the othe
r pocket mammals that a lot of the vets typically won't  see because the biology and the medicine is very different and um so one time somebody brought in  a tarantula because the tarantula had lice on it i was like okay you know i'm an exotic fat but  i don't really want to touch your tarantula and you know the idea of uh you know another insect on  another insect no that's just too much that's that that's enough for me right there okay so  that was a pre-existing condition and you had to turn
them away so yeah exactly this is  you know if i get spraying with raid i think that'll take care of both problems oh man  what's the weirdest pa sorry the tarantula's pretty up there is there what's the most rare  bizarre pet you've seen someone come in with probably the one that was most disturbing but  also exciting at the same time was somebody was breeding they wanted to produce a spotted  cat now there are spotted cats out there the cats particular but actually what they are  they're inter
rupted stripes they're actually not true randomly spotted cats there's no  there's no domestic randomly spotted cat so they were built they were breeding a wild tibetan  cat with domestic cats to try to produce a hybrid and uh so that she brought her tibetan  wildcat which is about a 30 pound feral cat and to this day i've never really seen the cat  and she brought him in multiple times always comes wrapped in netting and i'd give it vaccines or do  some blood draws but i would always come wrapp
ed tightly in a net and thank goodness because i  think was you know hell on wheels oh my gosh well i it seems you had all the perfect breeding for  a thriller rider with uh tarantulas and lice and uh exotic exotic cats and uh yeah i mean i just  imagine all and also just the random things i imagine dogs must have swallowed or eaten  just the stories like you know i hit a rope or you know is this the questions like my pet did  this you know is that normal you know or i don't know i just uh they
i'm almost just a very  weird story stuff that's not really probably you know you have to be uh it's not fit for the  general public some of the things that people came in with or questions they asked well hopefully  you can integrate your stories that's great i am well i guess you know i'd love to ask um you know  so you i always find it fascinating when people have career shifts and yeah i imagine you got into  veterinary medicine because you enjoyed it uh you and you don't get into exotic bir
ds and you know  reptiles without having some you know cursory interest in it and then was the writing thing  something that just lingered in the background and you were always like man i really want to try this  and i'm i'm asking for all those people who may be trapped treating tarantulas for lice and  are thinking is there more for me you know well yeah a lot of uh you know lawyers become  authors mostly because i think they hate their job not too many veterinarians have strayed from  the pas
t because we actually like our job yeah because i you know i wanted to be a veterinarian  since you know i mentioned this before in talks since third grade because i remember specifically  getting that assignment you get sometime during your elementary school years where  the teacher says hey go home write an essay tell us what you want to be when you grow up  and i remember it was a point of moral dilemma for the third grade version of myself you know  i had a blank sheet of paper in front of m
e knew i wanted to be a veterinarian i only probably  didn't know how to spell it i thought i'd put fireman i could cheat and then you know go  out and play but i did the one thing that all third graders are loath to do i went  and got the dictionary and looked up a veterinarian so i could fill out that essay as  a veterinarian so even for third grade i knew that's what i wanted to be it was dedicated  towards that career attracted towards that um but i i you know i liked i was a  bit of a story
teller in my family i have three brothers and three sisters so we raised  a polish roman catholic you know basically keep the polish flag in your window you have to have at  least six kids so my mom had to spend my goal was just to terrorize my younger brother and sisters  with wild outlander stories uh the craze through the better if tears were involved all the better  you know i call it storytelling and call it line and but that's the side of my brain that there's  fun tails decided like medic
ine science um this seemed like a career track you could follow you do  this this and this you can become a veterinarian or you could do this this and this and fail  horribly as a writer so i went this way and uh but i kept reading which is like  throwing gasoline on this side of my brain uh it kept me thinking about stories kept  me wanting to spend stories it kept me the desire to someday walk into a bookstore and  see my book on a shelf um but never seemed like a career goal uh even when i be
gan writing wasn't  that i was going to be switching professions it was mostly just as a hobby i joined a writing  critique group in sacramento shared stories with a bunch of short fiction that's not buried in  the backyard uh didn't get a single story sold but based on that you know amount of experiences  i'm gonna write my first novel first novel sold another one sold my clients at the veterinary  hospital became suspicious something was going on with their veterinarian mostly because of you k
now  poster in the lobby you can't spay get a free book so you know questions would arise dr jim what  do you what's your long-term career goals here you have a successful veterinary hospital what's  this writing business you're doing i said well you know while i'm draining your dog's anal  glands i'll do my best to answer your question um for about 15 years this point writing was  my my was but it's a hobby it was it wasn't really learning much of my first few books my  main paycheck still was
veterinary medicine i told my client you're basically on the  line you know maybe 10 15 years down the line it'd be fun maybe to see eventually  those roles reverse uh where maybe a uh you know writing becomes my paycheck  and veterinary medicine is my hobby and so like i said i still do some uh spaying  and neutering so basically now all i do with my veterinary is just remove genitalia but uh it  is a hobby that goal at this point um but yeah so it's uh it's a weird track for a veterinarian  to
divert but uh you know i've had no formal training in writing and i think anybody that wants  to write i think if you have a nate's you know i i've taught writing occasionally at different  writing conferences and writer's retreats and most of people you know i can  teach you the tools of writing there are rudimentary things i could teach you to  make your writing stronger but i can't teach you to be an actual storyteller i think you know you  have to have this innate sense why tell stories or
it's just not going to be a a job that's going  to work very well for you so you have to basically be fundamentally dishonest exactly i'd be a good  liar yeah that's right okay that's good for all you future readers out there remember be good good  writers are liars writers are liars that could be that's what fiction is in a nutshell that's great  yeah so again it's it's uh if you really want to write if you have any desire to do so uh  there's no reason you can't do it i mean like i said i had
no form of training and writing  and it was all i took a single english comp class in college again career trek to be vet medicine  it was all science and medicine and biology uh but you know i just sort of taught myself  the fundamentals of uh of writing on my website i have a sort of a q a section there's  a section also about what i learned from from uh that career track of trying to teach myself how to  write uh rather than reinventing the wheel i can point you towards some directions of sho
rtcuts  and tools i use to become a writer absolutely so this is interesting so i love the lack of  formal training because i think you know there's a there's a debate around that and um so did you  did i hear correctly did you sell your first book your first knowledge you wrote yeah we didn't  didn't sell immediately i was rejected by 49 different agents it was a the 50th agent that saw  something in the story rejected quite soundly um one you usually get the former injection letter  you know d
ear sir ram we hate your book don't submit to us again editor uh but some editor  might give you a little pat on the back a few words of encouragement you know we like this  one character that was really cool too bad the rest of your novel sucks and for my first books  i got that form rejection letter from my editor and he had a little note to me in the back just  three words this is unpublishable which i thought was you know kind of him not only to reject me but  take the extra special time to
write this note and kick me in the nuts besides so you have to sort  of appreciate that but uh like i said if i had stopped there at that 35th or that 40th rejection  i might not ever got published i just kept submitting it submitting it and finally somebody  saw the diamond in a rough and the book got picked up nbc picked it up for a mini series that never  got made but got very close to being made uh yeah it was uh the screenplay was done they had  the talent hired and then the entire staff at
nbc uh got uh canned and they  brought in a whole new uh uh you know team in theirs they they chucked  all the old teams material which was me so your project got neutered eggs exactly i'm  sorry to hear that um no i uh it's funny actually i did want to ask you about rejection um obviously  i've never been rejected you know clearly but uh for asking for a friend um there's a friend  of mine you know we'll call him brian uh who recently was you know working on our proposal  and uh it got mostly
positive feedback which that's when you start to smell something's  wrong you know like because you know what's going on here and uh i finally got uh uh brian  to tell me the story that's uh you know he had an an agent finally called said look yo actually  i want to be really honest there's some you know i love i have the gift of discouragement and i  was like you know i'm hearing the story and i go great and they go um this is absolutely awful  uh this is terrible um and i this would only work
if you were very famous or a magical writer of  which i do not believe you fall into either camp um wow no obviously that was me i'd be very  offended but this is from my friend uh and uh but i did want to ask you about uh you know for those  who do find themselves getting rejected is that i mean that's astounding it's first off the 50th  agent sounds like a great title for your next book um and so you want to you know get that domain  but i mean that's that should be encouraging for people who
are you know getting rejected that  you know here's a here's someone who international best-selling author of gazillion books and you  were told basically some of your writing is basically unpublishable yeah i mean if you look at  uh um the novel the martian that was rejected by countless people too that eventually uh the  author self-published and then of course it became a movie and became a big success um you know  jk rowling with uh you know harry potter could not get that book sold for the
life of her  and finally somebody saw a little bit of hope saw something there and picked it up so i  hear from occasionally from writers that gosh i've been rejected by like six agents i  should just give up i'm going you just started you haven't even begun to scratch the surface  oh yeah do you think there's a support group for people who turn down harry potter uh like  do you think they meet monthly and like they all have like hi my name's so and so this  is the date that i passed up on harry
potter uh that'd be horrible oh my gosh that's  uh well i'm glad you found the 50th agent uh and that's so cool and what did it feel  like when you finally got the let's do it uh first of all again the call came from that  50th agent um at six o'clock in the morning because new york apparently does not realize  there's a three-hour time difference between uh the two coasts and so it's i'm i'm thinking it's  an emergency call from the clinic um so i'm in a little bit of a bad mood thinking i can
't go in  early and uh so this you know this woman saying hey you know i i'm pesha rubenstein and i you know  read your novel and uh i think i can represent it and i think you know i think you know with a  little bit of work we get this thing published and what i'm looking at at this point  49 different rejections and i'm thinking you know good luck lady uh you know i've got  in writing from a new york professional this is unpublishable but you know it's not as long  as you're not charging me yo
u know have at it yeah i love it you tried to warn  her you know let's uh don't do it that's so man that's so cool i'm that persistence  is so violent now to counter that you know at what point do you say all right you know what  like don't be stubborn like this does need work you know because you could easily take that and  be like i don't have any problems with my writing like i am i am literally the next steinbeck and  you know i just got to get to my hundred agents until the you know it's al
l downhill from there  well luckily with subterranean um it probably was unpublishable in the format and that  i wish i submitted it it was luckily that some agent uh saw some potential in it and  the editor also saw that potential and uh my editor when she got hold of  subtraction and said hey for just the gist of what subtraction is about it's  to give you the elevator pitch for subterranean um i was going to take five characters drop them  two miles underneath the antarctic continent throw in
some monsters and shake that was  my detailed outline for subterranean and she told me you know jim you it takes you 150 pages  before those five characters get down that hole you need to get them down that hallway page  50. so you need to cut 100 pages out of the front end of your novel and so i thought  well i'm willing to do that because again i want to get published so i began trimming  and trimming and look listen i've got it down to page 100. she said no i said 100 it's  got to be page 50
. so i trim and trim and trim i change the the font size and margin  sizes you know trying to get it to a feature and uh look at 79 no not 79 i said 50 and so  it kept trimming and trimming and she was right it was it was very bloated at the front end of  the book um so you know it's finding that right combination of agent editor that's willing to  work with that diamond in the rough um so again it's uh you know you have to have some humility if  i said hey no this is you know that i'm steinbeck
they're not going down that hole until page 150  that wouldn't be published and if it was published i don't think it would have done as well in the  marketplace because no one would have been willing to wait 150 pages before the action actually  starts in the novel absolutely well that's good it is tough to kill your darlings i know that's  uh i know that's really tough fight um but uh so let me ask you this what is a typical day i  know you talk about your writing process on your site and i lo
ve it it's you tell people read every  day write every day even just a few paragraphs be persistent uh what does a typical day look like  we've had a few authors on and i love hearing the contrast like summer the like nine hours just  crank it out and then we had joe landsdale on and he was like no man i arrived for three  hours now i go out and hang out you know i got to live my life man that's my joe lansdowne  impression everybody that's a good impression um you know working full-time in any
author i think  any writer needs to make find out where that writing is going to fit in your life that's that's  a struggle um and so i had read a screenplay writing novel that novel nonfiction book again  my learning curve of trying to learn how to write screenplay writing books are very good for  teaching you how to kind of put a plot and the title of the screenplay now which i have right  up there is how to write a screenplay in 90 days um and the first page it says if you want to  write a sc
reenplay in 90 days you have to write three pages a day so i closed the book and never  read any more of that book that's all i needed okay that was scan i'm going to commit to that i'm  going to do three pages a day while working my day job but then i kept qualifying it no not three  pages three double spaced pages which is really about a page and not every day let's do five out  of seven days of the week and so once i found that accommodation i can do a page and a half five  out of seven of th
e days of the week and still not feel like i'm not having any life and i  always thought if i ever get rid of the day job i will be much more productive and i am of course  i now do five double-spaced pages a day that's all i can manage uh it takes about an hour for me to  write each page um so that's about five hours of new writing each day the rest of the day is uh  following john uh lansdale's recommendation no actually usually borrowed the day is you know  it's social media it's the business
side of writing it's uh it's website maintenance it's  research it's calling up scientists finding out details i need or doing research and for other  aspects that are going ready the next day so it typically ends up being about eight hour day but  five hours if it's writing three hours is just uh busy work really that's great no it's interesting  i some authors say three some five that's great and it's uh is do you find writing to be are you  naturally introverted do you find uh writing to be
consistent with your personality um because  i know you you like it you don't like it super quiet but i know a lot of writing but writing is  if you're by yourself essentially for five hours as opposed to neutering cats with a good team  you know that's a it's a different experience i'm definitely on the introverted you know  spectrum of of things um the hard part of the hardest part of learning of the writing career  was realizing that it's just not uh hold up in your office writing there's a w
hole business  side to the career it's the book tour it's uh it's social media it's keeping uh active with  your readership and you know when i first started my first summer training was published in 1997. uh  and this was at that point the internet was fairly new very few authors had websites um so i thought  it was gonna be innovative and have a website when facebook came around i thought well  this is an intriguing way of communicating to my readership and so i approached my  publisher and sa
id hey you know this is a new thing called facebook you know i'm thinking  it might be a good way of uh promoting my books and you're talking about my books you know can  you help me guide me through this a little bit and they were like facebook it's a flash to the  pan don't bother with it i didn't take that to heart how long i'm gonna keep going on with  it and i found that uh it's nice having that communication with your readership that you  could never get before and back only in my career u
nless you got an email or a handwritten  letter you wouldn't have much communication with your readership whereas with facebook and on the  social media you have that immediacy uh with them so you know i've bounced title options uh through  facebook and through instagram just to see what do you think what what do you think of this title  or here are three options vote um i've had uh you know gray ended up in bed with a character at  the end of one of the novels we didn't know which woman he was
with was he with the assassin or was  he with the uh the italian woman uh i didn't even know for sure what woman he was in bed with at  the end um so again i pitched it to facial social media who do you think he's in bed with and why  and who do you want him to be in bed with and why and so i got that feedback so it sort of  informed me you know what people were thinking how they were interpreting the characters so  it helped me then when i was working that next novel to to jump off from a place
where i thought  was pretty strong that's awesome uh yeah also good to let me you know i hope to never find myself in  that situation of you know in bed with a probable assassin so that sounds that sounds terrifying  do you ever find yours is it is it a curiosity that you're you have so much gore uh in your  novels uh you know or is that like do people like would they find that surprising like oh he's  such a congenial like nice guy and then yeah he's you know there's assassins and gunfire and 
you know violence and yeah my my clients especially they were they would look at me with  a jaundiced eye after you know i read your book and sort of with an accusatory tone and uh i'm  not sure you should be looking at my animal uh why uh why what what is the calculus  of writing under a pseudonym uh it's mostly because my last name which is  czikowski it's it's in the uh copyright of every one of my books and if you look at it it's again  polish and so it uses every letter of the alphabet and
uh you know even on my uh veterinary door it  was the doctor jim czykowski but they you know just called my doctor jim i don't even try this  last name so when i saw my first book they were like you know we like your book but that name's  got to go you know we can't we need somebody able to walk into a bookstore and pronounce  your name we can't i'm going into barnes and nobles and saying hey i'm looking for this book  by this polish guy and just hope for the best so the weird thing was they sa
id that i heard this  from two different publishing houses by the way that pick a pen name it needs to be phonetically  pronounceable makes sense and it needs to be two syllables and i asked them why you know  from two different why two syllables there must have been some type of marketing study  about stickability of names they said well you know one syllable names  are too hard to remember three syllable names are too easy to forget so  pick two that's the perfect sort of goldilocks area and i
'm thinking well you know stephen king  is just about to say stephen king is doing okay the child has no problem so uh uh but anyway so  rollins actually came because uh uh the university of missouri veterinary school went to schools on  rollins avenue so it's a little nod back tonight that's great well you have a new book out it's  right there i know tell us about it i actually dug a little around i'm really excited to read  this one but tell us about it and tantalize us and tease us you know i
s it a it's of course about a  a milita a military trained veterinarian right who uh does government-funded neutering of uh despotic  rulers right or is that that's upcoming there's a veterinarian in there he's a virus hunter he's  a wildlife biologist who's looking for viruses out in the wild and it's a big jungle epic um  it starts when all hell breaks loose at a u.n relief camp deep in the congo uh men women and  children are found to be in this sort of dull catatonic state they can barely ba
rely speak but  the environment around them is ramped up it's uh more dangerous more predatory more aggressive  and seems to be evolving at a exponential rate and it's up to my team of heroes that are my  serious sigma force the group of x special forces soldiers that have been retraining different  scientific disciplines they're scientists for guns uh they go out in the field try to figure  out what's going on there and it leads them to sort of a treasure hunt for this  lost kingdom in the in t
he jungle where um they could potentially find out what's  going on with this uh with this condition oh i like it and uh that's awesome and it's not  pfizer moderna that's behind uh any of the uh the conditions right okay and do my rocks youtube will  flag that for us so that's one way to get noticed there uh that's a do you and i i know i love that  you do you still spelunk and do you still scuba yeah both i actually stopped uh caving for a while  i took up caving in missouri because missouri's
sort of cave central a lot of wild caves as a  hobby up there a lot of fun and uh continued to do it for a while but when i got uh later on  in life a little across the 50-year mark and my belly was getting a little bit wider and my joints  were getting a little achiever i thought you know this is that's a young man's sport you know it's  hard to squeeze through these little shoots if your belly's really big so i want to stop going  except going to the garage these clubs that they have with the
uh national theological society  and it's not one of the meetings and there was this gentleman giving a uh slide show talk  about this cave that he just traversed and he had maps and you know how describing how he's  the rope work he needed to get up and down and you know the challenges of going you know  traversing this camera and it was challenging it was a challenge cabin but then then i found a guy  who was 65 years old and uh you're back at it now screw that so then i you know got determin
ed i  sort of i found there's a caving trip going to vietnam so it was like a year off back in  shape back in condition so that i can go ahead and join that caving trip so i still  do it i was caving uh about three weeks ago that's and i see how you were an active scuba  have you had any precarious scuba incidents uh again just stupid stuff you know i was  scuba diving in uh the great barrier reef and uh i just was made a mistake and balancing my  uh my uh weight belt and i was struggling with i
t and i lost a little bit of control  so i was gonna put my hand down on the seabed to to uh stabilize myself and just was  about to hit this rock that i thought was a rock swam away and it was one of the stone  fish was like one of the most lethal oh wow things i literally almost you know  hand planted right on top of that oh man is it so it's like it's topically dangerous to  touch or does it sting you yeah it stings you yeah it's got spines on it it'll shoot up and  stab you they're poisonous
and you die wow well that's uh man well get people up because i cave  in school some people say ask me you know do i do i do cave diving and i always tell them you  know i like caving i like scuba diving but cave diving is a death sport uh you know no thank  you i'm not doing that part there's a line i draw in the sand one question now i know you you  mentioned you had actually watched a few episodes and i'm sure you're aware now of why this show  is adored by dozens of people around the world
um so obviously you you now know what the hype's all  about of course um but uh do you one question we love asking is is there any burning wisdom  you would go back and shake your former self or younger self and say hear me hear me jim  rollins you double syllabled prolific right are you i probably would have told myself it's a  poorly kept secret that early in my career i was writing under two different pen names that's  why i mean two different places and um it was perf it was it was forced up
on me because it was  two different two different genres two different publishing houses i had no track record so it  said rather than you know give us two different pen names one for each genre and one for each  publishing houses uh in retrospect that probably was a poor decision i wish i had resisted that and  just kept it under one one name i think uh it gets uh it's it's hard wearing that many hats between  you know here's james clemons the fantasy writer and james rollins the thriller write
r and james  jakowski the veterinarian eventually you know schizophrenia who threatened to kick in uh i think  it would better if i just stuck with one pending all right what's up if you're gonna assume an  identity assume one identity you know no know thyself uh that's great i i'm curious too what  do you uh do did you ever meet clive kessler i didn't but a couple times yup yeah i mean do you  find is that a parallel that goes down i mean i when i think of some of your writing too i mean  it's
more his was a little more um pg uh rated but uh with the just the the ruins and the diving  and all the fun stuff i do do you feel like i grew up reading clyde custer he's one of my greatest  influences him and michael creighton um so i you know i got to interview you know clive on stage  at the international thriller writers conference so uh you know he was one of the first ones that  gave me a blurb um you know he's besides being a great writer he's just a great gentleman he's  helped a lot o
f young writers you know by helping them with blurbs or helping them get their feet  off the ground or co-writing with them to start you know give them a career so it's a great guy  it's a shame that he passed away i know he was uh i remember because i read sahara movie was uh  sorry mcconaughey but you know the i remember that book i was like this guy comes up with the most  insane plots i like my friends like why should i read this like i'm just going to tell you civil  warship sahara desert j
ust just chew on that let that marinate for a minute there you know  so i i love that is there any i mean i know you mentioned in your in your bio obviously you  know jules verne and obviously a lot of the classics are there any other uh just writers that  you just absolutely adore and you tell people hey you know if you want to really get some great  story like just pick this up do if you haven't done this you're really hurting yourself  like you know get get a copy of these well again i think
this guy owns me uh royalty  uh it's dan simmons um dan simmons uh he's got some popularity he had uh his uh book  the terror became a a series on tbs i think uh i've been reading him forever he and what  he's a bit of a chameleon and that no matter what genre he writes in he wins awards he writes a  science fiction novel he gets the hugo award he writes a mystery novel he gets the edgar  he writes a horror novel wa award so uh jealousy partially that's why i love him he's  a great writer um and
also you know he switches genres uh right and left he just jumps between  things and you know what one pen name actually he's probably his real name but he doesn't you  know doesn't didn't switch names kept it all under simmons exactly two syllables on to something  there dan simmons so uh are you making right now a personal plea for dan simmons to come on this  show and acknowledge that he owes you royalties um is that what i'm hearing it's  the song of cali books he wrote the most horrific no
vel i've ever written you  want to find a novel that will literally change the way you look at life you know read  the song of cali it will it's as disturbing as hell all right well folks that's uh that's not  a royalty plea i don't know what is so that's uh that's fantastic uh last question how has  uh publishing and your experience changed uh over the years and what do you find i mean  obviously there's taking ownership more of your with social media and the advent of that there's  i imagine s
ome entrepreneurship that you have to own up to there's also i wonder uh i imagine every  time you release a book there's a flurry of movie rights that probably go around the same time and  i imagine that was not always the way it was right no probably not i mean that hollywood all seems  to have a bottomless pocket for you know optioning different novels you know my novels have been  optioned various various times various novels the entire sigma series just got optioned  about nine months ago o
h congratulations yeah so hopefully we'll aim for this streaming  service for that um but yes it's changed uh the most dramatic change i've seen is that there  is the the amount of responsibility put into the author's shoulders now yeah uh for promoting  your own work uh i talked a lot of uh i talked to um different authors that you know that were  writing in the past i would say well how was it like you know back in the 80s when you're writing  so we did nothing you'd produce the book you might
have a book launch party but then you just you  could go right back to your office there was no social media you may have to respond to maybe a  handwritten fan letter or two whereas that is not the scenario anymore the houses depend upon you  to have an active social media presence to have a website that you keep current um you know they  expect you to be promoting promoting promoting unfortunate shows like mine right this is sort of  indentured public public relationships it never stops that'
s right i know that's what folks don't  know is i'm actually going over the author's heads now i'm actually going to random house and penguin  and telling all them to harpercollins you know give me your authors now you know get them  on there new ways of talking other stuff that's right well we're going to put some stuff on  tick tock too i think book talk have you followed the book talk trend yeah i saw that i mean you're  going to go on b n and they have a whole book talk section now yeah wher
e you can book talk  recommendations out there oh absolutely it's i remember i actually got a wreck from book talk uh  ken foles pillars of the earth which i had never read and uh that was fantastic that's that's one  of my favorite i was bologna also very violent but also very so i always appreciate when authors i  feel capture the reality of what that time period was like and i i walked away going god thank  thank god i don't live in 13th century uh france or britain i'm going this is awful li
ke what  impressed me about that is the balance between uh the melodrama of the story you know it's a big  revenge story a subplot and then have this whole detail about building the cathedral uh to the  point where you think gosh you know i think i can build a cathedral after reading this book  um so it's impressive to balance that so well that's right he was an architect i realized he  was an architect critic or architectural critic because i love it when you see people um like  point out that
expertise and it's fun same with i actually just read um uh michael crichton's  i finally read jurassic park the novel for the first time and i loved the movie i grew  up watching but the novel is fantastic in the book i was just telling you i had jurassic  park sitting above my desk oh kind of had i remember that was my first novel uh short fiction  prior to that so i was writing my first novel i wasn't sure how to write a novel again no formal  training in writing so i thought i'm going to use
jurassic park as a template so i'm looking at like  when does he first introduce the dinosaurs okay well that's what you're going to see the first  monsters in my book you know when does he kill off the first character well that's that's  the page i'm going to kill off a character so i used jurassic park almost as a template  for it for building my first story oh so michael cryden what a man i remember too he's like he  wrote his novel in medical school and i'm going i'm running out of excuses
not to finish a book if  uh these guys are doing it during medical school and cranking out you know three novels during that  time like this is this is insane insane pace uh and also he and i are almost the same height so i  have you know that's my that's my main comparison of michael crichton is like uh i hope for a blurb  like buffet is you know buffets uh comparison to creighton you know rooted in their height  similarity you know that's about it it's over at a book expo and there was a micha
el creighton was  signing a couple tables down for me and i was signing at my table and so of course he had an  incredibly long line of people wanting to get his current book signed and i had you know just  a few people but i signed really slowly and i would doodle pictures in my book which by the way  clyde kessler i got the idea from clyde kessler and uh so it took me a while to sign so for  a moment because i was signing so slowly he was signing so rapidly for a moment my  line was longer tha
n his that's great take a picture that's right i'm more than michael  creighton oh if only social media was around then to to really promote it that would have been  great oh man well thank you so much jim i so appreciate it it's been such a pleasure talking  with you and you seem strikingly normal for an author of such gory details so we you know i don't  know folks read the book to find out what we're talking about and if you have a tarantula with  lice seek medical assistance elsewhere exactl
y that's right well jim would you say this  this show is one of the great honors of your like last three days it has been and i've got a  glass of bourbon waiting afterwards so this will be the perfect end of a perfect evening  there you go folks you heard it right there new york times international best-selling author  two-syllable last name two pseudonyms just said perfect show is the perfect way to end a perfect  day so there's our sound bite folks well thanks for camping with us jim we so ap
preciate it  we hope when we get together in person we'll be able to get you by the fire and actually  do a real camping trip the way it should be that'd be fun awesome awesome thanks  so much folks thanks for tuning in

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This is really well done. I’m just now starting to read JR. Surprised there are not more comments here.