[Music] I'm so happy to see each of you and I just can't say enough how much joy it brings to see you here together and thanks all for um you know enjoying the food and making a mask if you like um which that'll be open to you to do throughout uh but I just wanted to get us started um I think I know everyone here but I've been bad at introducing myself sometimes at our convenings because uh my name is sabam Mu Chang I'm really really proud to serve as hpis managing director and thank you we I lo
ve you you guys um and to welcome you to our second annual race Equity committee Retreat so this is the second time we're doing this but we're going to keep it on yes please um and you know as a community we have been using the trauma informed care principles as our values practice uh and today we're going to be practicing trauma informed care values through ART and through culture so happy Black History Month um and I'm really excited for uh what we have in store today uh and I got to say it's
been uh such a point of Pride for me to get to support the vision of our co-chairs April nun and Miss suette Shaw um and so this session this time together is really their Vision um and so with that I'm I'll pass it over to April thanks so much SAA um thank you everyone for being here today um and thank you uh for all the wonderful guests we have who will be blessing us with their beautiful gifts um the work that we do is so important um but can be taxing and today as Saba mentioned we wanted to
create a space for self-healing um and end with a way to care for the communities that we work in um and conduct research on so I wanted to just close with um an African proverb to remind us of our Collective power um sticks in a bundle are unbreakable and I want us to be mindful of that um we are doing such incredible work um and it's with this Collective power and this energy in the room that we can make progress and I'm sorry I started off with without even introducing myself um hello everyo
ne my name is April nun um and I am one of the co-chairs uh and I work at the California policy Lab at UCLA um I'm the research manager there and I um manage our homeless prevention Community Advisory Board um so yeah sorry sorry for messing up that but anyways I want to now welcome the lovely susette Shaw to the mic um and she will be blessing us with her poem Standing Tall for dignity and equality I'm a skido resident and I was displaced to skidrow just over a decade ago so my life lens has ch
anged from my journey now I'm that woman who was living a middle class life in the suburbs um I literally had to be educated into my journey into skid row and that meant I carried a pen and pad with me wherever I tended to go um I still carry that pen and Pad sometimes this is my pen and Pad um and I um I literally uh writing has become very cathartic for me it is my source of healing it's how I express myself um through words uh on the paper and sometimes they dance and they become a poem um I
was part of a small Cort who worked with Margaret Prescott um and the families regarding the Grim sleeper murder case and bringing awareness to the victims and some of the Poetry that I'm going to share with you today is just kind of like a melody of what the families allowed me to share when we would go into spaces if I could sit across the porch from God I'd ask him why why do our women continue to die if I could sit across from porch for God I'd ask him why why do they brutalize and criminali
ze a woman's life you see my spirit cries as a woman my spirit is caught between a hope a dream and a sigh I look in every watered eye I hear the pain of the mother who says my child went before I why I birth her then nursed her only for you to make her an earth one only for them to curse her only for them to hurt her if I could sit ac across the porch from God I'd ask him why why is a woman measured in less sum so much by the time her work is added up her sum equals none and why do some of us h
ave to so they can get to the store to keep a roof over their head rather than a concrete floor some even have to take a hit a score so they don't feel the pain no more just ignore ignore ignore and why does a man who looks like her fear her when the one who was his birther is truly her is it some of our pain too much for us to gain even sustain in this life's game if I could sit across the porch from God I'd ask him why why do men where women continue to Die Why do they SOB because they have no
sustainable job leaving some to Rob yeah some say go get that education we live in a free Nation make your own creation even if it's takes your life duration will they survive in a broken world so minimalized for the basics of food shelter or will they be criminalized if I could sit across the porch from God I'd ask him why why do our women continue to die now I share that poem because here in the state of California there are approximately 60,000 unaccompanied women who are homeless in my comm
unity of skid row black middle-aged elderly women we track as a number one de um a number one demographic decade after decade and this is about a huge disproportionate numbers um the term unaccompanied and single adult women is a fairly new term um but it really emphasizes the fact of um there's a cogn dissonance in our in our world where we don't see that broken woman especially if she is a woman of color now this is a poem that is um called um I pray that no one ever steals your joy and it's b
een a while since I've shared these so please bear with me I pray that no one ever steals your joy I pray that the Innocence that you know today is the Innocence that you know tomorrow I pray that for every dark cloud there's a rainbow of lightness brightness and more importantly insightfulness this is what I pray for you lastly Standing Tall for dignity and equality this is a poem that I wrote when I decided to start a women's Empowerment Group and after I decided to leave the women's day Cente
r at Downtown Women's Center where I was spending every single day for the better part of three years and I decided to start my own women's Empowerment Group with my EBT card cuz I just wanted a space where women could come to and fill like Cinderella So it reads say this I'm not a liberated woman I'm just a woman who yearns to live free and I wish to live free from the bondage of inequality I'm just so young I'm just so longing for equality that is yet to be and sure we have far but how far we
have yet we have yet to come cuz we as women were still striving for our our equal some and whether we're sitting in the White House Donald Trump Plaza or up in Beverly Hills to the lows of the Appalachians The Rundown Sawmills or the cat skills whether your zip coders in Manhattan New York are right here right here in skid human dignity should not come at the price for only those can afford con prices and exquisite means and I humbly tell you my voice indeed it is my power in fact it's what fil
ls me each day it gives me the strength which surpasses none and it allows me to be more of my my equal sum please know I am just One Voice one voice I won no battles the battles they've yet they've yet to be won this voice is just another gift God gave to me so I can stand tall for dignity and equality I thank you for your grace and your patience today thank you now this sweet lady wow what a gift you guys are going to be having today I met Anie uh on you through Dr Aliso Duna um I was blessed
to have the opportunity to co- um produce some Retreats um for the women in skid r at downtown Women's Center a few summers ago through the project 100 initiative and um she brought such joy to our community in skido with her healing you're going to know her healing straight away by the way she is a UCA USC graduate as well on please hello everyone good day I greet all of you I see all of you I thank all of you for being here today in this space in this place on this Earth thank you for being he
re with me being who you are as a reflection of me and me as a reflection of you we are all one we are all in this together all of this all of this all of this my name is Oni and I'm an healing artist a priestess a teacher a space holder and part of my joy is to hold space for people like you who hold space for who support who advocate for so many everyone take a moment make sure your feet are planted firmly on the ground I invite you to do this and I invite you to also continue doing what you a
re doing but I invite you in this moment to just ground into the space giving gratitude to the space everyone take a deep breath in and exhale grounding into the space take a deep breath in and exhale grounding deeper into this space take one more deep breath in and exhale grounding even deeper sinking sinking sinking being enveloped into the Earth giving gratitude again to ourselves for being here making the choice to Incarnate on this version of Earth at this time as the beings that we are in
our different iterations giving gratitude to the ancestors to everyone everything that came before the ancestors of these lands that we occupy the ancestors on our maternal and paternal side our Collective ancestors going back back back to the beginning of time thank you ancestors for Paving the way for us whatever you did whatever you experienced we have the opportunity to expand upon it to heal it to transform it to alchemize it and we car a path for our future generations to be who they are g
iving gratitude to the elements and Elementals within us and outside of us earth water air fire remembering and seeing their Reflections outside those energies within us outside is the inside it is all one thing giving gratitude to the beings and the plant mineral and animal kingdoms thank you for your Reflections helping us to be more of who we are in the reflection that you are may we remember our permission to be giving gratitude to the directions all of the directions may we move in the dire
ction of our preference of our peace of our joy of our [Music] power as a reflection to ourselves and each other that we get to be here giving gratitude to this beautiful Earth that hold space for us always from the earth we come to the Earth we are always returning give gratitude to everything outside of this Earth everything in the cosmos the universe the Multiverse it is all one it is all one we are all one important pieces of the puzzle that is life all of [Music] existence thank you and in
this moment just keep breathing at your own pace in and out the individual breath connected to the collective breath as the breath enters into your body imagine it swirling swirling swirling swirling within you sweeping through moving through brushing through dislodging shaking up releasing and as you exhale you breathe it out whatever that is from moments before this day prior days your own experience your familial experience your ancestral experience as you breathe it out you're giving it back
to life to transform and transmute keep breathing and just Envision that cycle that cycle of air moving in air moving out nurturing [Music] nourishing cleansing clearing releasing breaking apart anything that is heavy so that all that is left is lightness alchemizing anything that is bitter that contains grief that contains sadness so that all that's left is neutrality sweetness joy peace letting go of the idea of any responsibility any burden anything you are carrying on your shoulders on your
backs that isn't [Music] yours and all that is left is the recognition that your only responsibility is to be your true and full self keep breathing and surrender in this [Music] moment surrender in this moment the breath to your bodies to the being seen and unseen that in this moment are holding space in all moments hold space just keep [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] [Laughter] [Music] breathing [Music] [Laughter] [Music] good oh [Laughter] Allon [Music] oh [Music] yeah oh L more oh [Music
] [Applause] [Music] meon oh yeah yeah [Music] oh [Music] show my Sol yeah [Music] oh [Music] yeah so [Music] myal [Music] my Lord [Applause] [Music] my and a Lord [Music] my Lord oh my oh yeah yeah oh [Music] oh Fair shall [Music] oh oh yeah [Music] yeah my f to Lord my Lord [Applause] my [Music] [Music] Lord Lord my m [Music] [Music] [Music] m [Music] go and take a deep breath in exhale ground into peace take a deep breath [Music] in and exhale ground in this moment of Stillness take a deep br
eath in and exhale ground in this moment of being held just keep breathing literally imagine your ancestors your guides Angels whatever beings you commune with you consider that they're holding you in this space right now just allow yourself to surrender to the care and the nurturing of everything in everyone around you in this space just feel this time right now [Applause] [Music] feel [Music] l l oh [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] feel l now Place one hand on your heart one hand on your
head just really feel that connection head in heart heart in head mind thoughts emotions just imagine an energy a current flowing gently between the two energizing you holding you supporting you just really Envision that energy whether it's a light whether it's just a vibration whatever for you gives that visceral [Music] experience [Music] if there's any other part of your body in this moment that is activated or within which you typically feel the most tension or stress discomfort I want you t
o place one or both hands on that part of your body in this moment and allow the breath to circulate Circle envelop that area to transform that area and everything connected to that area [Music] for take a deep breath in and exhale take a deep breath in and exhale giving gratitude in this moment to our higher selves to the higher power whatever name we call that higher power and the life force energy that runs through all of us individually and all of us collectively giving gratitude for the opp
ortunity to be here doing this work together may we hold ourselves may we hold each other may we be held giving gratitude to our ancestors those connected to us genetically energetically all of us collectively gratitude for Paving the way and may we pave the way for future generations for the collective at large to be our true peaceful joyful selves giv gratitude ude to the directions the elements the Elementals all the beings in the plant mineral animal kingdoms everything on this beautiful Ear
th that we get to be here on we get to be here may we be in Joy together we get to be here we get to do this work we get to support we get to be supported gratitude to all of you thank you again for being who you are you are because I am I am because you are we are all in this together thank you all thank you [Applause] [Music] all [Music] [Music] the [Music] n [Music] a [Music] St [Music] [Music] [Music] I [Music] [Music] [Applause] anyway let me just say lenda is a longtime friend of mine I've
met of several years ago she had does this amazing one woman show is it justice or just me so thank you and this is an excerpt of it thank you I'm homeless no I never smoke crack I'm childless yes I want my babies back I've been in jail no I've never robbed a store people want to take from me yet I'm very poor the home I'm [Music] from was never broken peers I grew up with all well spoken I have my Master's Degree I'm not joking it's a piece of my life it's just a token life's hard and I like t
o keep it that way mhm some people when they need to use the bathroom they see your bathroom they go me I hold [Music] it until I can't possibly hold it anymore and by that time there's no bathrooms around to use and that makes life difficult and apparently that works for me I mean take guys for instance some girls they see a guy and they're like he is so fun look at his [Music] eyes me I am he is so down scary I ain't scared every time I see him it's like visions of Nazis or dancing my head I k
now right burn me once shame on you burn me twice Let's Get Married thank you and we did we did yelling screaming fighting and that was the honeymoon because it wasn't a marriage it was bondage I I um actually was scared scared of being a single mother of two not just a single mother of one you let this happen to you twice when will you learn a child needs both parents look at you just running these children why well at least the proposal was romantic pregnant guess we got to get married I accep
t yeah not a lot of good times keeping your head up water making way when [Applause] [Music] youor R good [Applause] [Applause] [Applause] Y no not I mean there's no excuse for domestic violence right and that's what the police told me as they arrested me and I called them to protect and serve oh I got served not right I didn't realize that they were Angels sent to rescue me from the bondage I was in yeah because I have this friend and when he was deep in his drug addiction he called to the Lord
for help arrested thrown in jail save his life Angels wouldn't it be nice if men came with disclaimers like in those medicine commercials they cause business constipation wom tolerance for should not date women with the history of L [Music] position's children Freedom ex strange ex Str Keys L of Life please consult you friend and family before marriage saes one morning things went too far and my husband wrestled me face down on the couch and he was on top of me with his knee in my back and his
arm pulling up around my neck NE squeezing pulling up I couldn't breathe I couldn't scream all I could hear was my 5mon old little girl in the other room crying and I couldn't go to her and I thought so this is how I'm going to die and it must have been God because I Heard a Voice say turn your head as far as you can to the right andite save my life the market left changed my life all right ma'am you're under arrest anything you said wait wait wait he was trying to kill me ma'am we have pictures
of his injuries he had the fifth degree black Bel in martial arts was I supposed to just let him kill me ma'am you bit [Music] him on the way to the holing cell my arm swelled up so big the handcuffs wouldn't fit anymore all right ma'am how did this happen now we got to get you USR and pictures nothing broke you just my spirit in I holding so my sister-in-law was my only visitor why why why would you call the police even he said he wouldn't have called the police if you didn't call the police f
irst I what did you expect him to do you bit him oh by the way I brought your bre and bags if you wouldn't mind expressing some mil than the baby always okay ma'am the judge said it is fil abuse domestic violence which could Le to up to 5 years but he's willing to give you three and you'll probably only do one year with good wait wait wait aren't you supposed to be on my side me ma'am we have a statement it said it was all you he he has a f Dee black beled martial arts was I supposed to just let
her kill man you beat [Music] him why should I think disc and why should the Shadows Fall why should my heart feel lonely and long will my Heavenly home when Jes my a Conant for his eyes on the [Applause] [Music] and I know he watches I said I know he watches I said I know he watches he watches he watch [Music] thank you can I just say this one here this one here is a real one we go way back and when she was sharing her poetry I was there when she was using her EVT so that we could meet and hav
e a safe place to just Fellowship as women I was there in Skid Row when they killed Africa you can't kill Africa I was there when Suzette sha stood up for that woman who they wanted to arrest after Africa was killed just because she was trying to protect him from being killed and so they they wanted to crucify her I'm sorry but it was just but she and a group of women stood up for her and she didn't have to go to [Music] ja so I thank you for this organization I thank you for all of you who have
the courage to stand up and it is my my gift to be able to merge the Arts and activism artivism just get the word out allism thank Youk just because we're a little shorten time I'm just going to read some of my notes about the walking interviews um instead of showing the PowerPoint um because I think it's very important to um actually do the activities so that's part of the learning so um yeah so anyways um thank you so much lenda for that it was beautiful very Mo extremely moving I just I real
ly appreciate you sharing that with us and and being vulnerable in this space it's I'm I'm really appreciative um and I just want to thank everybody who's done something today Onie Angela susette for sharing your gifts with us um it's so important in this trauma-informed like work that we do um and to have that lens and so I just wanted to shift the focus a little bit um from taking care of ourselves um because we can't take care of others until we help ourselves um to now taking care of the pop
ulations um that we research or work with um and because of our own individual person um positionality and privilege it's important to consider you know potential harm that can be done um when conducting research um and inequities that can occur um so to counteract this um I've been just kind of exploring different modalities methods um just to get a deeper understanding of what um how to promote equity in the research that I do um which is qualitative research so I just wanted to highlight a me
thod called The Walking interviews um that I found and it's been um an increasing number of researchers in the last 20 years um particularly those in the disciplines of anthropology Public Health Mobility studies and some in um homelessness research have been utilizing um and just like some background like walking as a way of knowing has been practiced by indigenous peoples around the world for centuries and has been a way for one to connect to the past present and future and researchers who um
condu research on Native populations um use walking interviews um especially around um Native People's Health um as a way to process place-based trauma that these populations have faced and how this trauma you know later has impacted their health um and the walking interview gives just insight into the participant self sorry sense of self and belonging um in ideas it add in addition it adds ideas of like Place attachment environmental pasts and place identities um and just some quick background
on the Walking interview um uh this method um involves the researcher and participant walking together while the researcher conducts the semi structured interview um it can be done and used in a variety of contexts including to clarify a participants connections for particular places to physically locate study interactions and to examine the geographies of certain places um and walking interviews can be employed concurrently with other qualitative message such as in-depth um interviews and ethno
g ethnographic observation um and it's been favored you know by Scholars who wish to advance the knowledge of um the connection between micro experiences meeso movement and macro change um and walking interviews have been known by a few different names they've been known as the walk alongs mobile interviewing but um mostly have been described um as walking interviews and there's a few different types that I'll quickly run through so there's the dosent interview and that's when the participant is
the knowledgeable tour guide or expert who leads the research Searcher to and through important locations in their life um an example of this that I thought about for our work is um would be to walk with someone who's experiencing unsheltered homelessness in skin row or Hollywood to gain a deeper understanding of their social Community um and then another example of a walking interview is the goal and that's when the researcher accompanies a participant on an outing that would have happened eve
n if the researcher hadn't been there so an example that I thought of was to Shadow a home team or Street Outreach worker on the day-to-day um to get an understanding um of how they enroll participants into Street Outreach um and the third type um is called the participatory interview um where the participant's choice of Route during the interview doesn't have does not represent their typical path um the researcher walks with the participant around the site the person has chosen and which is rel
evant to the study so um my example would be to walk with a city official um at an encampment who does not have a connection to the place or space but a knowledgeable amount of of information about the topic um for the researcher to gain a better better understanding of the inside Safe program for example um and then the four type is the bming um interview and this is where the um participant isn't the guide um because the location and the route of the walking interview are irrelevant to the res
ults um just the crucial part of the walking and speaking um is important and the actual movement is important to um have the participant recall experiences and describe them um through this act of walking and then it kind of relieves the strain of face-to-face interviews um allowing for a more casual conversation to ensue and leading to more authentic responses and just to highlight some things about um walking interviews some of their strengths like walking interviews are flexible adaptive and
dynamic um unlike traditional sitdown seditary interviews walking interviews literally transcend the boundaries of interview rooms um and move the art of conversation and qualitative interviewing to the outside um during the interviews participants can not only um provide Recollections of the place but also experience and describe the immediate immediate Rich um and varied perspectives of the environment um which is stimulated by the act of walking and talking and engaging with the space around
you um and then this research can develop a greater understanding of individual's lived experience of um their environment and then uh walking interviews engage with place and encourage collaborations uh researchers have noted that the usefulness of the walking interviews for conducting research with hard-to-reach a mobile populations um and um this is those who may not be be unable to participate in an interview um if it wasn't in their immediate environment and then the simple practice of goi
ng to the people and speaking with them while they interact with others and move about their own environments um leads to more valuable and effective place-based participatory research um and then walking interviews are sensitive to the local context um they enable researchers to simultaneously engage with people in their places that have meaning within their life um this generates some rich data um that's multi-layered textured um and then in doing so walking interviews assist in overcoming one
of the key disadvantages of the sitdown qualitative interviews which is where um they take participants away from from their day-to-day activities and locate them in a highly constructive like dialogue setting um which can inhibit natural conversation um and just put a strain on the Rapport building and Trust building that is advocated so much by qualitative researchers um and in addition traditional interviews can introduce some harmful power dynamics so walking interviews equalize these Dynam
ics um and the relation relationship between the participant and the researcher by allowing the participant to steer the interview um verbally and then also physically along the designated route and then just so to speed it up so we have time to practice um I would say that this walking interviews are compatible with other research approaches and methods so for instance walking interviews offer new opportunities for qualitative researchers who want to explore through movement and conversation um
and get more multi M layered and complex meanings and experience an individual's social world and as such they are suitable for both qualitative and mixed method study designs um and for use with other methods like I mentioned data collection including surveys focus groups observations and uh repeat or serial interviews and then other researchers have combined walking interviews with various Technologies so they includeed photograph or and geographic information system to map The Rocking The Wa
lking routes so there are some things to consider so obviously they're called Walking interviews but so you have to be mindful of access um requirements so making sure that your routes are accessible and making sure you're aware of any changes to the roads foot paths Etc and making sure um they and the methodology also just concentrates on the notion of movement um in a com and being in a comfortable space for the participant so walking is not mandatory so it works with a variety of abilities um
so just you have to be mindful of this and just take that into account when you're establishing creating the interview and then um I also just add taking safety into account for both the researcher and the participant confidentiality and privacy um because you can't ensure confidentiality when you're walking in a public space being making sure the participant is aware of this putting this in um mentioning this up front and then um always making sure that payment um you pay your participants for
their in their knowledge and their time um and so are there any questions before we get to practice a lot of people will use a tape recorder um as they move about the space um or do really sketch quick sketch of the notes but a lot more have opted for a recording I'm going to pass out the worksheet and please just split into pairs um with someone at your table and then select one of you to be the interviewer and one to be the interviewee um interviewee please you'll exit out the building and in
terviewee please choose whatever walking route you would like um walk along the Route in your pair interviewer please ask the interview the questions in your worksheet um feel free to add remove any questions let the you know the walk kind of guide you um but there is you know semi-structured interview questions in here um and then please do your best to document the answers but you won't be asked to share out your answers we'll just reflect on the experience um and then after you've gone throug
h the questions or 10 minutes have passed please switch roles and the interviewer becomes um the interviewee and vice versa and then in your new rules you'll repeat steps two to four and the um instructions will be on this packet as well so thank you so much for practicing the walking interview um I hope you enjoyed the process uh I just want to take some time to reflect so I just wanted to ask a few questions um how did you feel during that process and what came up for you during that process I
just want to thank you because it was just so invigorating being out there in the fresh air and you know the ambience and um and you know and and and you and sa were just you know like I just it didn't even feel like an interview it it felt more like you know and I think that's the thing that caseworkers miss the point of is like you know it doesn't have to be like oh the casework is here and then you know client is here it should be like and and so and that's part of the healing process I I do
n't think that they get in case management that you that that you want to um Inspire encourage or you want to allow for that space for that person to be able to grow and heal and on their own and own their own not the casew worker or that organization taking the credit for that person's work that they did but giving that person back CU that's how that person then transforms and able then to go out there and want to do that get that job and you know and and and and go to school or you know whatev
er it maybe or stop that cck pipe I don't know whatever it's all it's all em then um I'm just going to pick you back off what you just said um being having been part of like a research study and being interviewed how do you think this process would have benefited would it have um yeah you know I was talking the other day what some people would housing through Justice or housing Justice whatever just in regards to how like so often times we are like a we're like a we're like a Tuskegee right so a
gain like this type of it was such a balance that I didn't feel you know I often times feel like I'm being experimented on or that you know somebody I don't know I feel very triggered and I just wasn't triggered today whatever it was it was the perfect you know walking Taps them into that sort of like animal part of our Instinct where if you're either as the interviewer or as the interviewee if the topic is bringing up something that could feel like uncomfortable or make you anxious you can just
move that feeling out through your body and then come back to the topic at hand whereas if I were on a zoom that might just kind of build and build and build you know especially if like um as an interviewer you're in a position position where you also have lived experience you know what I mean so it's very helpful thank you yeah I would just say generally it just takes the pressure off you know when you're conducting a one-on-one interview with someone you know to to ask a question and to wait
for the response and you know the the moments of Silence can feel pretty awkward where you might rush to move on to the next topic and I I just think the when you're walking and having that conversation those pauses are fine um they're part of the experience and I think it allows for people to express themselves a little more fully than if you're just going to sort of take a direct approach to asking those questions thank you for sharing um I would say like what came up in ours was just interact
ing or our thoughts kind of tying into the space um I know like Saba mentioned being at USC wanting her son to come here um to experience it I think that just change the place based like um triggers I guess like brought up different memories and different um talking points that probably might not have come up if um we were doing a face t- face um sit down seditary interview um so yes thank you all for sharing and then oh yes say that but part of it is you know someone gets to let down their guar
d someone gets to let down their guard and um as opposed to like you know today like you know we're often times on Zoom or I mean with when I'm on you know talking to my psychologist or my psychiatrist or my you know Adult Protective Services caseworker like I'm so you know so things can be Miss skewed or UND you know and when you know you again when you have this space where it's equal and it's out in the air and they can see oh she's also Charming she's not Al just a pain in the ass yeah than
yeah I just wanted to add one thing too that I think connects with what on gave us earlier and when she was talking about the elements and welcoming them in um like I just felt the air the Sun the you know the Earth which I think just gives your body a sense of like relaxation without even like thinking about it and so um that part I think is really healing and uh provides a really A really lovely environment for talking about yourself or you know being or even the interviewer so that part was r
eally prominent thank you all for sharing and then lastly I just wanted to tie it back into the work so is there anywhere in your work um that you can see this method being used or aspects of this method um if so please share out maybe we could incorporate it in our HPR uh orientation uh I really love uh the questions that you chose um but I guess I'm not a qualitative researcher like formally and so I wonder if you might offer some I don't know how do people use this work like yeah so it would
be more with like a mixed methods study if you wanted some like qualitative inquiry um to explain what was happening in your analysis of the data I I guess that would be um one way a thought about it when you're doing conducting qualitative research so if you're interviewing someone I don't know if anyone else has experienced this in interviewing someone they just haven't quite really opened up yet MH for whatever reason it could be the power dynamics it could be they're triggered about somethin
g it could be and then you might just break it up and say you know what let's go for a walk I uh I just wanted to say I really appreciate you sharing this um I hearing you talk about it I'm definitely thinking about how I want to apply it to my own research um my dissertation is actually on youth experiencing homelessness um and I'm really interested in supporting best practices on self-determination and one way I want to do that is through um creating or having Youth be able to create content a
bout their rights and share it with each other um most of it is online based but I see how this could be so beneficial engaging with them while we look at you know materials they're creating together or um just kind of building that trust which is what the work talks about so it's so beautiful to see the methods and the work kind of blend together more so I really really appreciate you uh making this space I want to thank you for it because you know i' I've said to my psychologist before that yo
u know like I asked her if she could like come and to my apartment you know where we could just maybe like meet and like have coffee and she could like see my space where I live she goes oh we're not able to do that but um and so you know we've been meeting over zo I mean uh over the phone mainly um for the last few years during Co and just about a week ago I went to dmh and skido to meet with her that morning um but it's really weird because then me going into dmh and Skid Row you know I'm then
taken back to me 10 years ago rather than me you know I have to find my ground of who I am today so I I'm not reverting back to that person of 10 years ago and and so I'm going to share her work your worksheet with her you know and and and just suggest that you know um they look at other means of um of trying to find ways of connecting with people rather than just the same old freaking group therapy that they have just everything is like I went I went there I saw the same PE case workers coming
out to get the same people to go into the same groups just like it was 10 years ago and so I'm about to I'm going shake it up a little bit and then I just want to mention that I'll share a one pager or maybe a few pages on walking interviews since we I ran through what they were um just to give more in depth um information about them and um answer your questions well um and you could share that with um others as well suette um and yeah I always want to thank you all for participating um and tha
nk you for your [Applause] time
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