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Inside Dirty Dancing: A Conversation with Screenwriter Eleanor Bergstein

Eleanor Bergstein was a teenage mambo queen whose family summers at Grossinger's inspired her screenplay for Dirty Dancing, the 1987 film set in a Catskills resort in the summer of 1963. The first film to sell more than a million copies on home video and the source of two multi-platinum albums, Dirty Dancing is beloved by multiple generations of fans, and still resonates with contemporary audiences some 34 years later. Eleanor Bergstein will share stories from her life and behind-the-scenes anecdotes from the creation of the film and stage musical, as well as insights into Dirty Dancing's enduring popularity. Ms. Bergstein was in conversation with Lauren Gilbert, Senior Manager for Public Services at the Center for Jewish History. This program is funded, in part, by public funds from the New York City Department of Cultural Affairs in partnership with the City Council. It took place on September 13, 2021.

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good evening everyone and welcome it's around  six o'clock so i think we'll get started thanks for joining tonight my name is lauren gilbert i  am the senior manager for public services at the center for jewish history if you joined a little  early you saw a slideshow of some upcoming events you can sign up for any of those at the calendar  on our website which is cjh.org if you'd like to enable the automated live captions on your screen  just click on the three dots on the lower right click liv
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ng all right so let's get into  tonight's program let me introduce eleanor eleanor if you'd like to turn on your video eleanor bergstein is a novelist screenwriter  producer and director her stories have been published in national magazines ranging from  transatlantic review to red book and cosmopolitan her first novel advancing paul newman about  women in politics in the 1960s was published by the viking press and her first movie script was  it's my turn starring jill clayburgh and michael doug
las her second novel ex-lover about sexual  obsession was published by random house she has worked on a variety of film projects including  the final script revision of sister act she then wrote and directed let it be me which starred  campbell scott jennifer beals leslie caron and patrick stewart her most famous project was one of  the most successful independent films of all time dirty dancing the unique continuing response to  the story all around the world persuaded her that what audiences r
eally wanted was a chance to  be more involved in the story as it happened this led her to reimagine dirty dancing as a  stage event one that combined dance and story and music in a new way it was also her chance to  write additional scenes not in the movie which expand the characters as well as add songs she  had wanted for the movie and been unable to obtain it has played around the world in 22 countries and  34 productions to phenomenal success in places as diverse as holland south africa swe
den australia  new zealand germany hong kong singapore italy france denmark and mexico breaking records in many  of them through her company magic hour productions she has just completed a memoir and is preparing a  tv series based on her first novel advancing paul newman and is at work on a new stage musical set  in london in the late 1960s so thank you very much for joining us today eleanor hi so i'm going to  start with a question that you probably get asked a lot i realize the film is fictio
n not your life  story despite some superficial similarities just how closely does it mimic your life experience  well it uses can you hear me is this is this one okay i'm sorry i'm so unsure about how to  do all this technology it uses a lot of things from my life but it's not the story of my life  my father was a doctor i went to the catskills with my parents as a little girl but i was 10  and 11 and 12 as you see in those photographs and um i love to dance politics was very important  to me i
was a combination of the two sisters i very much wanted to change the world and i  thought if you reached out your hands you could but i wanted to do it in a matched sweater set  so i'm a kind of combination of the two sisters that's great so how accurate do you feel  the depiction was of the time period we worked very hard on that and i think it  was good i i i should say i was one of the co-producers of the movie so i was there at every  second from the casting or through the final sound mixi
ng so uh anything that's terrible i have to  take responsibility for i didn't have bad people doing what i didn't want uh having just re-watched  the film a few days ago i was really struck by the amount of social commentary and class issues that  you put into the film was that important to you oh yeah it was totally important and what happened  was is that uh people said that what is what is very interesting to me now is at the time people  said what are you putting abortion in for roe versus w
ade's been here for years remember we made  this in uh let's see in 89 about uh 63 and i said well you never know and they said uh and why are  you putting all the stuff in about uh vietnam it's over and i said well you know young men may be  sent off to fight in another place another time and one of the other things was is why do  you have-- the stage play has much more of this but it was the summer of martin luther  king's i have a dream speech and they said why is that stuff in and of course
as the show  is going around now we have black lives matter marches every place so what makes me not  happy at all is all the things that i was told had been laid to rest why was i inserting  it in this film have come back to haunt us and that can only make me sad yeah so um was there  anything that the filmmakers wanted removed that you know that you felt was important to keep in  well while it was going on they were concerned that more that they didn't want me to spend  so much money on the mu
sic it was more things like that you know do you really need these  songs couldn't you have sound alike but uh right before it came out the studio called me and  said oh we've just gotten some blow back from the catholic church so we'll give you the money to  go into the editing room and take the abortion out and i i guess i had always known this day was  going to come so i said i would be so happy to but uh the fact is it's the reason for the whole  story if we don't have it uh baby doesn't wan
t to dance with johnny uh there's no way they fall  in love there's no way that he is uh fired so i really can't and they said oh too bad we should  have seen it earlier and of course on the page it takes very little space it's just the  reason for everything and what i always tell um screenwriters or everyone if you're going to write  something that means a great deal to you in terms of moral or ethical or social or political reasons  make sure that it's very completely necessarily put into the
plot because otherwise the day will  come and it will come i sound like the godfather don't I but when when it comes then you can  say i'd be so happy to take it after okay and did you have trouble getting the film made oh  yeah we a long long long time before anybody was accepted it was turned down by every studio  it was the time of uh flashdance footloose saturday night fever so we thought okay but  all the studios turned out to be very lucky because all the studios that made those films  ha
ted this and turned it down and had they made it they would have taken out the reasons that  i made it which was all this historical and social and political subjects uh because all  those films were fantasies you know girl works as a mother uh you know they they had no real  relation to the real world and my concern is that uh i didn't want to make a black and white  documentary about what was going on in the world i think you can with there are six social  classes in this there are so many thi
ngs going on but if you make a film that has wonderful  music and dancing and lovely actors and true love uh incidentally some of the other  things will come through and i think if you do make the black and white uh documentary which  is very very important most people who see it will have agreed with you in advance so was it true  that some of the studios rejected it for being too girly like there were a lot of really macho  male films that were blockbusters at that time um so do you think i me
an there aren't a lot of  films that tackle abortion now do you think you could have gotten it made now well actually there  are a lot of films to talk about abortion now or or in a different way it's interesting  about i don't know it was about five or six years ago someone came to me and to talk  about abortion i think it was vanity fair some big magazine and i said oh well ours was just the  first film but there have been so many since then and he said oh what and i thought about them  and th
e fact is there have been a lot of them but in the end the girl makes the decision  not to have the abortion and has the baby and has a happy life on central park west  with her true love so actually there haven't been a lot of films about abortion since then  right but it happened but at the end she said right so they're not really about abortion  because it doesn't happen yeah exactly yes um so how-- it's really about illegal abortion and  about all the pain and terror um so how involved were
you in the casting oh everything i was there  at every every casting session as i said i was one of the producers so i was every place and and  i think legally of course you have as the writer you have no rights and as the co-producer you  have even fewer but if you are there all the time and you have colleagues who want to do what  you wanted to do you pretty well get what you want um and i know that it wasn't actually  filmed in the catskills it was filmed in in virginia in north carolina what
was  that process like well we didn't have uh uh we didn't have we couldn't afford the  catskills because no place would uh could afford to close the hotel and let us take it we  had very little money we were making it on a tiny budget so we looked in right to work states that  mean states where you didn't have to use union crews and things we could save money and so  we went and as i was going with my crew they would say eleanor do these look like the catskill  mountains and honestly i had no
idea when i was there i was looking at boys i had no idea what the  moutains looked like i was so embarrassed i would say things like yeah yeah i think it does or if  you think nobody noticed was interesting because now those places are having a dirty dancing  weekends and things like that nobody wanted us so campbell north carolina virginia was very elegant  uh uh very um how shall i put it uh a rather uh certainly not a jewish resort none of them  were and so i'm trying to think of the most th
e kindest words to put on it but and i remember  they said when we agreed to stay there just for a few weeks they said tell us where you're going  to be on the property so maybe we'll come and visit and i thought oh gosh you don't know we're  going to be every place you won't be able to get away from us for half a second so when and  and the second place so i think two stories one is the second place uh on uh north carolina  we told them on the contracts that the name of the film was dancing not
dirty dancing and the  last night they gave us uh sweatshirts as a gift and it said in red letters it looked like the  devil's created said dirty dancing last day we went into town to all get moccasins or  whatever to bring home to our families and the only piece of clean clothing we had was this  new sweatshirt so suddenly we all came in these black sweatshirts with red devils writing saying  dirty dancing and it was so terrible it was as if the devil had suddenly appeared to town because  the
y'd liked us they thought we were making this movie called dancing and the first movie  in the very elegant north carolina east virginia place they had in the contract that  they would decide at the end whether or not uh they would put their name at the end saying thanks  to and they came to one of the later screenings of the film and by that time everybody hated the film  uh the exhibitors hated it the uh the distributors hated it i would sit in the back of the room where  they had their cigars
and they talked about how awful it was and they thought it was going to go  right into video and everyone no one had a decent word to say about the film that you saw a few  weeks ago and it isn't that we then changed it but uh emile the director and i were just so desperate  and when the people from north uh virginia came we wanted somebody to say something nice so they came  in three-piece suits and we came toward them when it was over and we wanted something nice we wanted  it made no differe
nce to us if they use their name on it or not we wanted something and so we i  remember walking up to them and they said well uh that baby took her clothes off too much and  she was fresh to her daddy but then she was sorry so we guess we'll leave our name on the film and  we were so happy because we thought at least we've gotten one positive thing from this whole thing  now both uh mountain lake and uh lake moore had dirty dancing weekends where you pay a fortune to  leave your car there and go
through all the places so i i mean the people were nice i like them but  it's very confusing to me to see what's happening so why do you think everyone got it so wrong  about the film the i mean the initial viewers the producers and the studios you know you know it's  very interesting the audiences got it right away it's middle men who for any of you out there  writing books making films uh doing plays the middlemen are the hardest uh those  audiences within the um uh within the first show we w
ere okay and it was really funny you know  what we we my husband wrote the kellerman's anthem you know kellerman's come to me and we we thought  that it was going to be in theaters only for about three days and so we were supposed to go to venice  then but we didn't because we wanted to have the experience of it in the theater so we went to  almost every show just to see it on a big screen and we uh the second day we were there and  we were behind a whole row of young women uh actually young afr
o-american women very elegant  and they were singing the words to the kellerman's anthem you know i mentioned and i and my husband  started poking me saying he's a poet a professor at princeton and he's saying listen to that  listen to that and i thought what a jerk and i said to him yeah they're very nice words  honey because i thought what how stupid is it we walked out he said did you hear they knew all  the words and i said yeah yeah yeah and he said no for them to know those words it's the
second day  they already had to see the film at least three times and that's what happened people saw the film  walked out and went right back in and saw it again and uh something that we didn't know because you  know we weren't those kind of professionals you know it was a friday night show that did exit  polls and the biggest exit poll that made them we went to one theater and an usher came over  and she said oh i'm so sorry we had some one guy who hated the film and when they did the exit  po
lls he button-holed them and told them how awful the film was so i thought oh here it goes  and that friday night we were watching and they said exit polls for dirty dancing and i put my  head under the covers and my husband pulled it out and he said listen but the big fact which  we didn't know until later was yes nine out of 10 people liked it and 9 out of 10 people said  they would recommend it to their friends but the real item which was astounding was is that uh 10  out of 10 people said th
ey would go see it again and that's what happened people went right back in  and saw it again so it went on and on and no one anticipated that at least of all us and we just we  just kept calling each other saying and the first week after the first week the numbers always go  down and when they went up i called the studio and i said look look look and they said they must have  counted wrong so there was nobody who believed in this but and even we who made it didn't we just  had done what we want
ed yeah um you mentioned to me in an earlier conversation that there are  a lot of misconceptions about the making of the film so do you know where these stories came  from and do you want to dispel any of these myths patrick and jennifer got along fine uh you know  uh it was hard because we had no money it rained a lot the seasons changed so we had to paint the  leaves green because they were turning so that's true yeah that was true but that happens on almost  any low budget film uh but my col
leagues were absolutely wonderful uh one of one of the lovelier  things that happened the way at the time it wasn't was is that uh the studio called me and they  said do you want to hear something really crazy sit down and i said okay i'm sitting down and they  said the new york times wants to do an article on the movie before it comes out and you'll never  guess who they want to interview they want to interview you isn't that the stupidest thing  you've ever heard and i said you know and they s
aid uh we tried to get them to interview somebody  else but they said no they would see eleanor they would just interview you so my husband and i  ran out and bought an air conditioner because we didn't have an air conditioned apartment and  actually i remember it and you can't return it and it was expensive and the reporter walked in the  man named samuel friedman who i love to this day and he said uh it's too noisy would you turn  it off and i remember thinking oh seventy-five dollars oh what
are we gonna do and he said uh and  though they said he probably he's an expert on the music and history of the period he probably wants  to talk to you about all the mistakes in the film this is the studio and i said well actually  there aren't any mistakes in the film and there are a lot of mistakes of artistic execution  we did our best but certainly in terms of politics and particulars and what happened to  it i was very very very scrupulous about this and he walked in and said there are no
mistakes in  the movie and he had actually wanted to talk to me because he thought it was a very serious uh  social and political subtext to this movie and the poor writer because they turned  it into this rather stupid teenage movie so he wanted to give me a chance to  explain to the new york times what i had meant and at that moment you just want so badly  to say everything bad is everybody else and everything good is me but it really was not true  because my colleagues were there just to do w
hat i wanted so i had to explain that i'd been one  of the producers that everything was the way i wanted and that the music and the love story and  the plot were all for me uh what i had intended and he was a very good reporter i i don't believe  i made him like the movie any more than he did because you can't do that but he wrote a very  very careful article explaining exactly what i had had in mind that was on the front page of  the entertainment section of the new york times and the studio w
as so astounded by this that  they sent a thousand copies across the country and this is why why you've seen the movie now  because they were pitching it up until then as a teenage movie they were going to the malls and  a movie never goes up when this article went out the first weekend we got an adult audience  and from an adult audience you can go down to teenagers whatever but if you start pitching  it for 14 year olds i'm never going to go further than that so i even though he didn't  really
like the movie he did a fair job and he was and that that it's the little things that  get you over the hump suddenly and you know we had a lot of bad breaks but that was such a good  break and i think that's why we had a chance to find our audience um in what way if any would  you describe it as a jewish film sort of just uh beyond the obvious the family is apparently  jewish and it's a catskills resort well i was very concerned about that i mean for because i had gone  to grossingers with my
parents as a little girl so i was very concerned that we had we had a texas  crew i was very concerned that we never had milk and meat on the on the table at the same time  uh we had because we all our extras came from north carolina we went to local temples so that  we would have somewhat jewish faces and then it turned out when we'd scheduled that we hadn't seen  but we had the big finale dance on yom kippur and that was so terrible there was nothing we could do  it was scheduled that way and
we went and begged the people to come back and then my cast which was  my crew which was really trying to help them was very nice when they came and handed them little  wrapped ham sandwiches i'll never forget i said oh so then they were so upset that when they were so  apologetic when they came back next time uh they uh they made a shrimp curry and i said no no no so  by that time i i got the whole crew together and i explained that i really couldn't have any mistakes  in it and was very very c
areful though they had really meant so well and then i remember at some  point in the scene in the kitchen where penny is crying somebody opened a cabinet and said look  eleanor and you opened the cabinet and there were box after box after box of matzah and they said  look jewish food and i said oh no this is august so we kept the doors closed if you look at  that scene you will see the doors never open so i tried to get the details right  if you know what you're looking for you will see from th
e name you will see from  what's going on uh um i mean for me it also had to do with uh uh doctors and there's more about this  in the stage play but but but that that generation of jewish doctors and that generation of jewish  people who felt that they were-- it was 63 they had just come out of the holocaust and they  felt the next thing that you did was help the uh uh the negroes then to see that uh they could  have their help and that was very important the catskills were the only place in th
e country  where blacks and jews swam in the same swimming pool together and it was very important to me  that i put those kinds of things in and you understood what was going on there and what they  did and a very important scene for me is that uh when penny has her abortion baby comes and wakes  her father up and unhesitatingly he grabs his bag and runs across this forbidden transgressive  space to take care of her now what i say in the film that what you do and don't see is clearer  in the st
age play is that he was risking losing his medical license jail time uh uh an enormous  fine and he didn't hesitate and that was that generation of uh of doctors and professionals who  uh just had a very strong ethical basis for what they did and i i've always associated that with  you know jewish doctors and jewish professionals um so switching gears a little bit tell us about  your struggle to get the music of your choice into the film and why you thought that was so important  oh well you kno
w i i the steps were my steps from dancing in junior-- i mean we had a wonderful  choreographer kenny but they they were based on the kind of dancing i did as a little girl in  brooklyn and uh the music was based on my old 45s so i had taken out all my old 45's when i say  that to my assistants they say 45 78 what are you talking about they don't know what i'm talking  about but i got out all my records and then i wanted to uh uh use them and uh that was okay  for a while because i mean they tho
ught the movie was such a piece of junk that it kind of didn't  matter no but nobody questioned me at first toward the end when we were putting  the music in and we had put the music in while we were shooting the scenes but that was  on a different track where you could take it away they said it's too expensive  these songs cost too much to do and when you would take the music out of  the scene the scene would just go just sync and i said no we have to have the music in and somebody  wanted to u
se the fine young cannibals and i said and we need that music from the sixties and  nobody knew it then the only time that you could hear that music was on something called the  late show so for a dollar you could get 30 songs i mean it was not popular music but it cost a  lot to try to put it in a movie so they said we'll do sound alikes and what it sound alike  is a cover band does it and i didn't want any of them i wanted the original movie and i music  and i just whined and complained and yo
u know moaned and said they were ruining the whole movie  and finally i just wore everybody down with so much irritation that they said okay this is what  we'll do they came in to see me at six o'clock at night when we were closing the studio and  they said okay tomorrow morning at nine come in and we're going to play 10 sound alikes  and 10 originals and if you can get 6 out of 10 we'll give you the originals and if  not you get the sound alikes and shut up and i thought okay that's right when
i came home i tried  to listen but i didn't i had i had originals but i didn't have sound alikes and i thought okay here  the trumpet comes in here's the vibrato but by the time i came in the next morning i didn't know what  i was doing and i thought i was going to lose it all and so they had sound alikes and it really  took me no time because i heard a sound alike and then i heard an original and it was so  clear it isn't where the vibrato comes in or where there's a trumpet because it's the sa
me  on the sound alikes it's that the originals sounded like songs that i loved and the sound  alikes sounded like songs that i used to love so i nailed them all and they gave me the originals  and that was i guess that was where a lot of the small budget for the film must have gone  yeah yeah at the end and i have to say that uh they released the record they released the  record during the summer and the film came out in august they released in july nobody knew  what dirty dancing was nobody bo
ught the record so they they put it in a warehouse when the film  came out people walked out of the film and into a record store remember them and went into a record  store to buy the record but it wasn't around so uh anyway then they retrieved the records  from the record and then we were the number one soundtrack i mean we've sold something  like that 60 million copies of the soundtrack it's been great we outsold michael jackson so  that was that that that was great for me um so why do you thi
nk the film struck such a chord  and has become so ingrained in in pop culture um i you know any given time i'll give you another  answer uh you know anything i hear from anyone i take in and i'm i mean i'm just really grateful  as my husband says if you're not happy with this you better make films on the moon because i  have all over the world most heartfelt audiences and that's really just a pleasure so i can i  can give you reasons and everybody has their own reasons i think everyone has a mo
ment in their  lives when they think if i had walked through this door instead of that everything would have changed  and that's why i think the most important scene is when she says most of all i'm afraid of walking  out of this room and never feeling the rest of my whole life the way i feel when i'm with you so  i think it's a a moment that if you're very young you're just coming to a moment in the middle of  where you're wondering if you missed it a moment later when you're looking back at th
at moment so  i think it's that that's part of it but uh i think it's it's about a time for me when you felt when  baby who was in great courage felt that if you reached out your hand and you were brave enough  you could change the world and make it better and of course it's much more complicated than that  as we know so i think it speaks to that that moment when we all feel there's a moment when  we can make the world better and and how are younger generations finding the film is it like  mothe
rs introducing their kids or oh that's that's such a pleasure because i mean what i mean more  than a pleasure it's a blessing because i i hear and one of the things that happened almost  immediately is that grandparents came with children came with grandchildren all  ages see it together and that i mean i i feel so blessed and lucky about that that's  and right now we have young audiences well what we have is just so interesting because uh we have  well the movie came out 30 years ago and we ha
ve you know 16 17 18 year olds who see it over and  over and over again and i remember being in spain and being interviewed by a young girl and  i suddenly said oh and i said in spanish obviously not very sweetly when we made this  film your parents hadn't yet met and had sex upset or anything but that's true i mean we  have audiences whose parents have never met yet before they made it but it does go on to all  generations and that as i said i'd have to go to the moon not to be grateful for tha
t um you've  alluded a bit to the stage musical so what has it been like to work on that and can you talk  about the reception a little bit oh well that's that's been wonderful first of all because it's  all over the world and i love to travel but it's it's two hours and the movie is 90 minutes so i  could put in so many things about the world about what was happening some of martin luther king's  speeches more songs that we couldn't afford to get uh i i could now afford to use in the stage  pla
y i could put in scenes that i couldn't put in the movie because we didn't have time and uh i  felt really it was interesting because uh studio i mean i get a lot of reader mail so because they  don't know who else to write to so that's why i get it but they're really writing to the movie and  so i i'm just incidentally written to but people uh radio stations all over the world i started  running it in a loop say on a sunday running it at eight in the morning and running until midnight  and they
found to their surprise instead of people you know popping in and out in the course of the  day uh people even if they had the cassette or the dvd or whatever would sit and watch it over and  over and over and over again all day long and just blow off their days and just sit and watch it and  i tried to think that why that was and it wasn't because they thought it was just the best movie  they'd ever seen or they were looking for anything it was because they wanted to be there while it  was hap
pening that something happened to them in their own lives while they were watching it and  if that was true then its natural form would be live theater and i still think its natural  form is live theater and the the show is the audiences at the show every place i mean  from england australia wherever uh hong kong you feel that they are connected with a golden  cord to what's happening on stage and it's it's it's really quite astounding and lovely  so that that's that's warm do you still dance oh
yeah yeah i love to dance yeah dirty dancing  dirty dancing you know uh well this summer we were uh in the hamptons with uh david who's my  choreographer on a lot of things and he has a four-year-old who we taught to do a lot of these  steps so yeah i do any kind of dancing i i love latin dancing i love uh um uh uh yeah i love  rock dancing i love any kind of dancing i don't like disco dancing actually that i don't  like not dancing with a partner i don't like it when you don't know who you're
dancing with you  know what everybody did they were the only floors i didn't want to be on discos, or just everything  else i like um i mentioned in the bio that you just completed a memoir so can you tell us a  little about that yeah i just i just finished it a few months ago because when it  was all done i suddenly realized that you really couldn't do it without also  having an added thing about what's happening now you know it was so i wrote another  part of it which i hadn't planned to and u
h so that's that's all done and now i'm  looking for the perfect editor and the perfect publisher but again it's middlemen i feel i  know from the questions that people ask me that i will find my audience for it i just have to  find the right middleman to get it to the audience okay um maybe we should i see a few questions  uh piling up so maybe we should move on to some audience questions um the first one's  more of a comment but it's a nice one uh please let her know that it's my turn  as one
of my favorite movies of all time oh hey you know that makes me so happy because  i got a letter about a year ago from a woman in milan and she said i didn't know her at all and  she said that she saw that movie and she based her life on it and she would come to new york once  a year and visit all the places in the movie and they had just torn down the mayflower hotel and  she was terribly upset because that was where jill and michael-- and she said how had  i allowed that to happen and i though
t oh what a nice letter so i wrote her back in italian  saying she had given me joy so that way because i i that was the first movie i'd ever written and  i i remember coming to uh the uh uh the studio and the the casting people not the casting the  prop people were there and there was a table of glasses and they said wine glasses and they  said eleanor which kind of glass did you want and i reached out my hand and i touched the glass  and i said this kind and it was the first time anything had
ever come out of my head that i could  hold in my hand and i was so excited that was so wonderful it just it just kind of-- and then  then we had one scene that we shot in yankee stadium and i was so thrilled and i kept saying to  my husband look at this it all came out of my head and he said eleanor yankee stadium did not come  out of your head but there there is a picture of me on home plate and i look like i am sure it  came out of my head i am so full of myself but anyway that was that was g
reat fun um this one's a  comment too to our conversation about films about abortion the only recent film i can think of with  an abortion theme is the film grandma with lily tomlin yes i was thinking of that one as well  yeah um and another comment that uh she thinks the scenery was very well done in terms of looking  like the catskills so if even if you didn't notice eleanor somebody else did um there's a question  about if you were involved with the sequel no i had nothing to do with  any of
them and i have to say the dirty dancing audience for 30 years is really  really really smart because they look at something and it takes them five minutes to say this is  not this is not right and they just go home so i'm always afraid when something comes out that i  had nothing to do with and i don't really think is uh what our film is about i'm always afraid  it will replace the film or change it but instead it just disappears thanks to  our really really really smart audience uh a question
were there other choices for the  lead roles other than swayze orbach etc uh no uh uh patrick i saw patrick and i said i remember  meeting him at the airport when he flew to new york and i said when i wrote this i didn't  know you existed now if you decide not to do it it's very hard for me to think  i'll go ahead and make this movie and uh his people didn't want him to make it  because he was he's a very good actor very very he was a very very serious actor he had a a  very damaged knee he wasn
't going to dance anymore in fact he had no dancing on his  resume and i was talking about the kind of eyes i wanted i wanted very hooded frightening  eyes so that you know you really had to make a a real effort of will and bravery to go after them  and uh we were going through things and emile who come from the world of dance i said okay  those are the eyes i want and he said oh actually he's a joffrey dancer and he turned  it over he said his name is patrick swayze he turned it over there was
nothing on patrick's  resume to indicate that he'd ever danced and emile just happened to know this from this  in the world of modern dance so we contacted patrick he said i'm not dancing anymore uh but  then we talked to a lot and then we brought him to new york and i just said that's that's  it i can't do the movie without him and he's everything i want um question why didn't samuel  friedman like the movie and can you talk about how the leads were chosen well i guess you just spoke  about how
patrick was chosen uh jennifer came and she we had everybody first choose a song and dance  to it when they came in because we wanted to see how people moved and it wasn't that i wanted  professional dancers i wanted somebody who felt the music and jennifer had i think the jackson  fives and songs but when she came in she said her father joel grey was by coincidence in the hallway  and she came in she said uh wish me luck daddy and she just somehow closed the baby space in my mind  and then she
danced the jackson five thing and she was charming and adorable and then she said i know  i can do it better please let me do it again and from that moment on she was the only person i  wanted and i had not she had not been what i had in mind because i had in mind someone i guess  who looked sort of like me who was a skinny little kid with lots of black hair all over the place and  and jennifer is lovely and rounded and blonde so it my idea was to have this little skinny dark  girl um you know
with long legs and long arms but uh jennifer just closed that baby space  in my mind and i never wanted anybody but her uh did jennifer grey have a dance background also  uh some not as much as patrick nothing like that um here's another nice uh comment the film  is powerful provocative and life-changing and its social justice messages are  universal and more compelling than ever um thank you eleanor for your strength for  fighting through the multiple obstacles and for your brilliant vision wel
l thank you so much  um another comment a big piece of the magic is that everything fits nothing seems superfluous  the flow is impeccable and the moment in time is captured not only obviously but with nuance thank  you for the magic so many lovely comments thank you wait wait robin you want to turn the light on  it's getting dark in here sorry um yeah so a lot of these are more just um appreciative uh comments  more than questions my best friend and i were like i'm totally happy with that yeah
my best friend  and i were that target age of 14 in 1987 and we watched dirty dancing over and over and over to  this day if it comes on tv we all call each other and make sure we watch it again thank you for this  wonderful gift to the world well that makes me so happy you know i was in london one day because you  slowly did we realize that more and more people were seeing it and i remember uh we were thinking  i was thinking of bringing the show to london and i went to london and i was in uh b
oots one of  their uh you know uh stores that sell makeup and i said to the girl there um uh do you have you ever  seen the movie dirty dancing and she said oh yeah yeah you know i have two cassettes of it and i  said oh okay uh why do you have two two cassettes of it and she said well because it's uh uh worn  out in different places where i go back to it and the girl at the next counter said oh i have three  and i heard this and i thought oh that's so nice uh there's a request to talk about pat
rick swayze  i mean you did a little bit but is there anything you'd like to add about patrick swayze yeah  i actually would because when when he died i was very concerned because i had the show  going all over and i was very concerned that we not sell tickets on his [...] and i was uh  and the actors in the play who loved patrick and they didn't know him but they loved him they  all wanted to give interviews saying oh i based my performance on him or whatever and i i sent  out uh notices all th
rough the country i think we had something like 15 shows then saying no one  is allowed to give anything but a statement saying the whole cast and crew sent out you know i was  very very very so i was constantly concerned that we not seem to be capitalizing on him i've been  in touch with patrick all the time and he was a very very very loved friend of mine and um so  i didn't give any interviews at all because again i was just so concerned that then somebody  asked me about the show or somethin
g so i was so concerned stopping interviews that i didn't give  any interviews and when i looked them over later i was very sorry that i hadn't because  what i would have said which i'll take advantage of this thing to say now is that  though they all talked about his career and how sexual and beautiful and wonderful he was and a  great dancer and a great actor what they didn't say is that he was a very very good man and that  was really what he wanted more than anything else to be an honorable
and a good man and he was  and i wish i said it then so because nobody taught no they didn't say he wasn't a good man  but that wasn't what they were concentrating on and so i take every opportunity i can now to say  that thank you um i comment i wish i could move the way the dancers did and still do as a dancer  do you think that baby could have learned to dance to move her body that way in that short amount of  time yes and we worked very very very hard on that to to be to be fair uh because w
e had uh uh we had  uh a camera because we were emile and i were very busy we had originally planned for me to go to  the dance studio and he would do the others but we wanted to do everything together so we would  keep like a big brother camera in the dance studio and then we would sit and watch it and watch  it and watch it and saw because jennifer didn't know how to do any of these dances patrick  of course was a professional dancer he could but jennifer was not so we would watch what she  co
uld and couldn't learn and how long it took her and then the last dance is really one of the  reasons that that that we have the same dance over and over and over again i remember kenny who i  loved had done a beautiful final dance and we said kenny we can't do it because baby wouldn't have  had time to learn it so it's got to be the first dance that she does in the sheldrake only better  so we have the same dance three times it's the a mambo that baby that that penny and johnny do  to begin wit
h it's it's the dance that baby does very clumsily at the sheldrake and then it's the  best version of it the way you can dance when your heart is high so what we say is we showed if you  look very carefully at the film you will see her learning just about every step that we do there  and because she does it better in the finale for sure i feel it's the kind of dancing that if your  heart is high enough you dance better than you've ever danced before and will ever again perhaps  um here's a comm
ent i went to grossingers for passover holiday when i was in high school in  the 60s getting on the dance floor to cha cha with a handsome college student was magical did  you have that experience too yeah i love well well i it wasn't in college so much it was when i  went with my parents to the catskills they had a champagne hour where they had people come out to  dance and my parents would hit the golf course and i would just go to the dance studio and i was just  a little girl but i would put
my uh nose against it and i did so they thought it was funny this  little girl was there and i had all these lessons and then in the um uh on thursday night champagne  hour i would come out and do all these mambos and things and it was so funny to see this little 11  or 12 year old doing it that i would always win and my parents would drink the champagne so  that that that's my memory of the mambo which i love and then the cha cha yeah um uh comment i  also love this film i was 13 in 1990 i rem
ember thinking that it was the first movie i'd seen  where the heroine looked jewish-slash-ashkenazi was that deliberate yeah we wanted her to be  well it wasn't so much that she looked jewish what she had to do was a girl whose  mind and spirit made her beautiful and that's someone who in repose well like cynthia  who's a very close friend of mine cynthia rhodes but she's so beautiful that when she even had the  abortion they they brought her out and i said oh for god's sake you know she's just
had an abortion  that almost killed her take the makeup off her and i sent her back and i sent her back five times  and finally they said eleanor she has no makeup on the more we scrub her face the more gorgeous  she looks so it was really really hard but uh uh jennifer is someone who's uh who's very smart  and very charming and very funny and very lovely and who's uh who has made her beauty happen by who  she is inside and that was very important to me that it wasn't someone who just in uh in 
repose was beautiful but someone whose heart and integrity and manner made her beautiful  it's a request to talk about baby's sister oh okay uh so as i said you know i mean  i have a sister named frances who who unfortunately i lost two years ago who was a  friend of your mothers yes and uh that's it that's how we came together and she was wonderful  she was an executive for ibm uh a high executive all over the world one of the highest women  in ibm uh very brilliant very loving wonderful didn'
t like to dance with no sooner have dirty  danced than walked down the street naked uh we my parents divided the world uh she was math  and science and i was writing stories from the time i was in kindergarten and we loved each  other very much and that was the inspiration well what i wanted to do was have but as i said i  kind of divided us in half so i had this earnest really smart uh baby who loved to dance  so it was you know it was half fran and half me and i put us together and i mushed  t
his together and i made two characters um here's a comment one of my favorite moments  is when honi coles dances with jack weston for a few moments can you talk about that oh it's you  know i love that too and that's what i mean about uh uh 90 minutes honi coles was probably  the best tap dancer in the world oh we just lost your sound eleanor you  happy now yes okay uh the most terrible one of the big disappointments for me was  is that we got honi to come and do it and we could only use him a l
ittle bit i wish so  much we had more of him he was wonderful and i you know i haven't even made films but when  you make them you you come and you have to wait on and on and on until it's time for you to  shoot your scene and once it was raining and i came and i loved honi i have some pictures of  honey and me dancing because we used to do the mambo and the quarter and he was a wonderful  man and he and jack became very good friends and jack was so thrilled to be dancing with honi  and one day
i came to the set and they said oh honi and jack are all the way up on the  hill we have to wait 20 minutes before they come down for the suit tell them they've got  to wait on the set so i went up in this pouring rain to where they were in a cabin and i said  uh oh you know we need you to sit on the on the side of the set til we're ready to do it and  jack said eleanor i'm too old and too rich to do anything like this and honi said eleanor i'm  too old and too poor to do anything like this so w
e arranged to never have to have them  wait on the side but that that is for me a great sadness because i would have loved to have  20 minutes of honi dancing he's really a dancer i was so sad not to have more of that um what  attracted jerry orbach to the role if you know uh well you know we gave jerry this is before law  and order and things like that and we gave jerry uh uh i gave out uh participation points which  usually agents laughed in my face because who who thinks you're going to get 2
0 cents on  a participation profit point on a little movie about a little girl in the catskills as  jerry says had they known how successful this movie had been they wouldn't have given  them to me because we did and he made a lot of money to like [...] but he came and he  was just so wonderful i can't imagine anybody like him and i remember a story that somebody  told at his funeral where jerry loved to travel and he had gone they were off on a  greek island and they took a boat that changed to
another boat that changed  to a beach they changed to another boat that went to another island and when they  got there everybody was very lovely and the uh and they gave him a handwritten note in greek  when they got back on the boat on the island on the other boat on the next boat they gave the this  handwritten note to uh uh the captain of the ship of the greek ship and they said what does this say  and it said we love you dirty dancing doctor so jerry said wherever i go jake houseman follow
s  me around so it was i don't know why he did it but i'm just so grateful because he was wonderful  and another comment a comment says i cannot carry a watermelon without thinking about the scene  of baby carrying the watermelon over the bridge and here's uh maybe we can uh end it on this  question because it sort of brings it back to current events what do you think baby would do  in states like texas to help people get abortions oh well i think she would be working her ass off  you know when
uh in the last election i just kept saying i put out a video saying you know people  ask what baby and johnny would be doing now they'd be working their asses off in this election to  elect hillary to elect joe biden to do it you know why yeah i know it's it's quite clear they would  now just just be doing everything we could to make the world the way they wanted it to be you  know it this this was set in 63 so summer 63 two months after the events of this movie martin  luther king's speech mart
in luther king spoke then uh uh john kennedy jfk was killed then  the beatles came and the following summer this would not have happened because uh rock  music was above ground nobody would have been down below and doing cha chas above so what i  what i always call it is it was the summer that was the last summer of liberalism sorry the  last summer of liberalism liberalism, 63 yeah all right well thank you so much for taking  this hour with me and thank you to everyone for joining us it was rea
lly fascinating  well thank you for your kind questions and thank you for inviting me and i uh  wish you a happy holiday coming up and it was a great honor and pleasure for me to be  here so thank you so much take care eleanor bye

Comments

@millermiller75

Lovely woman.

@dorinamarian9355

O scriitoare de succes care a cucerit publicul cu acest film .Am apreciat cuvintele elogioase la adersa tuturor celor care au contribuit la realizarea filmului.