In India, the dominant demography of Hindus BJP had started its political consolidation We can see that nationalism is spreading, patriotism is spreading But its practical methods can't be done with mere speeches Now Agni Veer's scheme has come, this army is eating a lot of money They are asking for pension They have fought for you all your life We need the best weapons of the army Whether we are hungry or not, we don't want to eat only twice a day Rohingya is also persecuted Rohingya are smuggl
ers It is a hypersensitive area India is facing the biggest threat to India in Ladakh If Punjab takes the power in Pakistan Then what will happen to the people in Pakistan? What will happen to the people in Pakistan? What will happen to the people in Pakistan? So welcome to the Gaurav Thakur show sir. Sir, you are such a senior army veteran and in 1971 you fought the war for the first time. When you had just come out of army training, so what did you see at that time? What happened at the tactic
al level, at the strategic level during that war that we outsmarted Pakistan at that time? How did we manage to do that? Thank you. Mine is the batch of, it's called the batch of 71. We are also called the born to battle batch because we were commissioned one month before the war. Just one month before the war. We were commissioned on 14th December. We were commissioned on 14th November. We got 10 days off and when we got off the trains, we got off at Siliguri. On the first day, So there was a l
ot of loss, many people were martyred, some lost their legs, some lost their hands etc. But we are very proud to say that we were on the cutting edge. Whereas we had cut down two parts of Pakistan in just 13 days. Our army advanced 550 km towards Dhaka from three directions. 93,000 prisoners surrendered themselves. It was the largest mass surrender after the Second World War. And like I said, we created a new nation-state with the force of arms. We marched on an enemy capital, we ensured regime
change, which is the hallmark of a decisive campaign. Right. So, in the 20th century, it was the 1971 campaign and we were on the cutting edge. So, on a geostrategic level, what decisions were taken that outsmarted us over Pakistan? Because from an army perspective, I think it would be better to explain what happened at that time. Excellent, excellent. At that time, when I was on the ground, I was far too junior. I was a second lieutenant. So, I didn't have a big perspective there. I didn't get
it at that time. But I was very lucky that later on, in the military operations directorate, I did not just one but two tenures. I did them straight away under the army chief, under the... where the whole planning of the war is done. So, I was there. I was there during the war in Sri Lanka. There was terrorism in Jammu and Kashmir during that time. And then I was there during the war in Kargil. You see. So, there are a lot of documents there which are linked to this war, which I got a chance to
see. And then I myself got to meet General JFR, Mr. Jacob, who was, you can say, the mastermind of this victory. So, at that time, there was a big debate going on in the Indian armed forces. That if we want to attack, then it was absolutely clear that our priority area would be Bangladesh, East. And in the West, we will adopt a holding defense, an offensive defense. Right. So, we will keep the war in balance. But our main effort will be in the East. It will be in Bangladesh. So, this East versus
West theater, this prioritization had already been done. Okay. Now, in Bangladesh, what will be the center of gravity? When we launch the operation, then... What will be the focus area? What will be the focus area? So, there were two. One was that either we should go towards Dhaka's capital. Yes. But there was another school of thought that, no, sir, all the resources and supply of Pakistan, the Chittagong and the Bandarga of Khulna, those are the key centers of gravity. If we get those, then i
t will be financially crippled. It will be crippled. Now, this school of thought, the second school of thought, in the army headquarters, General K.K. Singh, Director General of Military Operations, he had convinced Field Marshal Sam Manichok that this is the right approach. So, when there was a discussion and discussion on this in his Eastern Command, then the Chief of Staff, General J.F.R. Jacob, very few people have heard this name. But let me tell you that the real origin of the planning of
this whole operation goes to J.F.R. Jacob and General Inder Gill, who used to be the D.G.M.O. These two go. So, these two said, no, sir, this is the capital of Dhaka. All the roads and roads come there and converge. This is the hub of communication. Number one. Number two, there is the seat of the government. Yes. Politics runs from there. You know, that is the command and control center. Right.
And after that, the Eastern Army Command, which was of Pakistan, whose General Niazi Sahab was very a
ctive, that is their headquarters there, the Eastern Army Command. The whole nerve center is there. Nerve center. If you hit this, then everything will collapse automatically. Yes. And General J.F.R. Jacob said a very right thing. part choda hota jaega. Jab wo samudra ke paas jaati hai, wo shuru shuru mein 6-8 km ka part hota hai. Samudra ke paas jaage to 50-60 km ka hota jata hai. Usko par karna, usme bridging karna asambab hai. You know, bahut problem aapko aayegi, kichad bhi jyada badega, swa
mpy area mein aap jayenge. And he was absolutely right. Aur phir dhere dhere unho ne Sam ko mana liya. Aur unho ne Dhaka ki Rajdhani ko key centre banaya. Aur east se General Sakat Singh aa rahe the. Aur west se aa rahe the apne General Teppi Raina. Joki 2 core ke commander the aur wahan 4 core commander the wo. Aur north se phir humne hamla kiya. Usko bola jata tha ki 101 com zone area. Usme wo 20 mountain daver kai aur division ke. Brigades wahan se nikaal ke hipa. Somalian front se nikaal ke
wahan daale gaye. Sabse jo pehle paunchne wale jo the na, wo bahut speed pe bade General Sakat Singh. Aur wahan bade sare nadiyan naale the, unho ne helicopter se bounce kar liya unko. Matlab bridges nahi bana, wo soj raha the ki Pakistani ki hum pull banayenge, ye banayenge, wo banayenge. But hum unko sheeda par karte gaye. Blitzkrieg type operation kiya. Absolutely right you are. Jisko bolte expanding torrent concept of attack. Kya ki jab ek nadi naala bata hai. Aap behra hai vague se. Koi cha
taan aati hai toh wo saara jor nahi laga tha ki usko ukhaarega, phir aage badega. Dono taraf se ho kya aage nikal jaata hai. This is exactly the strategy we followed. And why did we follow this strategy? Because humne dekha ki Pakistan ke Niyazi sahab ko bhi 2 option de. Ek ki main border pe strongly fight karunga. Main ek inch andar nahi aare dunga. Which was actually stupid. Yes. Kuki wo parparse nahi. Toh aapko utni takat nahi thi ki aap ek ek inch ko rog sake. Doosra tha ki main Dhaka ka jo
triangle hai core. Jo ki teen nadiyon ke beech ke triangle mein. Meghna, Padma, Brahmaputra ke beech mein wo padta hai. Toh usko strongly defend karunga aur lightly fight karunga. Agar wo yeh karte toh humare liye bada taklip ho jati. Lekin usne yeh nahi kiya. They had two options to choose. Usko bada vishwas tha apne upar, atma vishwas ki. Nahi sahab main ek inch nahi andar aane dunga. Jaise ki 65 war mein humne koi 10 kilometer jaa chuke. Lahore ki taraf aur Sialkot mein utna hi 8-10 kilometer
. Toh 8-10 kilometer mein hum inko rog denge. Yeh soch thi General Niazi ki. General Jacob ne jab dekha ki usne iske mataabik deploy kiye hain apne forces. Forward deployment. Toh usne bypassing technique shuru kari. Ki forward jo morche hai. Kile bandi hai usko bypass karo aur gehre gozo. Jaise ki paani maine bataya. Pathar pe takkar nahi maarta rehta. Dono taraf hoke expanding torrent. Bypass karke dhaka ki taraf jao. Dhaka gir gaya toh sab gir gaya. It is the keystone everything will fall. Au
r bilkul yehi hua. Pehle toh yeh jo main attacks kiye the. Absos ki baad yeh ki jo 2 corps ke General Raina sahab the. Unne bola nahi sahab army headquarter ne kaha hai ki. In ki taraf jao toh wo mur gaye. Dhaka ki taraf jaane ki bazaar. He toh aur bhi jaldi pakar lete hum log. Aur wo jaake dal dal me phas gaye. Actually bilkul wohi jo hua. Jacob sahab ne kaha tha. But humne east se General Sagat Singh bahut speed se aaye. Dhaka ko bilkul tohpon ki zad me le aaye. Tabb humne uske pehle north me
ek operation kar diya tha. Aur jo Pakistani brigade thi ek upar. Humne tangel ek jaga hai. Jahaan peh Turag Nadi behati hai. Aur wahan peh ek bada bhaari pul tha. Toh humne wo tangel ke upar para drop kiya apni ek para brigade group ko. Para brigade ki ek battalion thi. Aur ek chote mote daste aur the. Woh log wahan land ki. Unne yeh pul pakar liya. Aur wo raasta kaad diya. Wo jo brigade piche hath rahi thi. Dhaka ke taraf. Agar wo dhaka pohanjati raaz dhani. Toh taakat bohot baht jati. Back up
ho jaata usko. Lekin wo humne nahi hone diya. Aur phir sabse pehle. Jald se. First troops to enter Dhaka. Were these paras. Second para ki jo para troopers the. Jo tangel pe land kiye the. Aur force bhar gaya. Aur force bhar gaya. Aur uske pehle apne kya kiya. Saab ki pin point bombing kari. Humko message aaya ki. Saab yeh jo hai. Dhaka me jo. Jo governor's house hai. Wahan bidi conference hone wali. Usme army, navy, air force. Aur saare civilian. Atram patram. Sabke sab log wahan pe. Aayenge. S
o we sent our four planes, MiG-21, less than the rocket, they went and did low flight. And right where the conference was going on, sir, the big bay windows there, through the rocket, General Niazi and Governor sir, they all fell down under the table, all the chandeliers were broken. Where the chandelier was broken, it was a very bad situation. And Niazi started crying like a child, that the scoundrels have killed him. The Governor sir, he took out his hand from below and wrote there, I hereby r
esign, I am resigning. This means that his mind was broken. Confidence shattered. And the next day also attacked, Niazi's headquarter was attacked. Pinpoint air attack. This completely broke his back. Right, right, right. And then, General Jacob sir took our helicopter and flew in. Manik Shah said to him, get a surrender. So, he had asked for talks for a ceasefire through the Americans, this, that, this and all that. So, General Jacob reached Niazi's headquarter, took the helicopter. And when he
got down, he was very shocked to see the Pakistani soldiers. This is the helicopter of India landing on Dhaka Racecourse. So, he was crying like this, he said, come here. Yes. You know, he was a great bully. Yes, yes. He said to him. General officer doesn't look at you, doesn't salute you, salute him. He has taught you this, so he saluted you. He said, take me to your Niazi's headquarter. So, he brought the jeep and took him. So, he reached General Niazi there and said, General Niazi, the game
is up. These are surrender documents. He threw them on his face, I am giving you 20 minutes, look at them. And after that, sign them. He said surrender. But I had asked for a ceasefire. He said, General Niazi, you know your condition. Tomorrow, you will be saved from bombing. You want me to send the bomber towards you again. We know where you are, where you live, where you hide. Okay. And secondly, you know that the people of Mukti Bahini have come to Dhaka. The situation you had with their wome
n, these are your bloodthirsty. You have this, the one who cuts goats, the machete. Yes. They will cut you and your women and children. You want to kill your own soldiers. Do you understand? He was shocked. Anyway, I am giving you 20 minutes. I am going out for a walk, I am smoking. You decide and let me know. So, he started roaming around. It was 20 minutes. He said, General Niazi. He was shocked. He was in shock. So, he was watching. He said, have you signed this? He said, I take it as signed.
He took it. He took it. You will surrender your sword to General Jagjit Singh Arora today at 4 o'clock in the Dhaka race course. Where you don't have a sword, then get a pistol. I don't have a pistol. Borrow your ADC's. You know, he hit him like this. And that means he has put his weapon. He said 93,000. Confidence went away, he got scared. That is what I am saying. It is the power of personality. Right. Right.
The power of personality. This was more like a negotiation. This was more like. The
one who was facing the lowest. To be overpowered. To be overpowered. On his mind. Right.
And he was surrounded from all sides. Not that we. The Paltan of Para had reached inside the Dhaka. Yes. From here, our PT-76 tanks had also reached Dhaka. Right. So, it means. He was checkmated. Although he was visible. Checkmate. He was checkmated. But if he wanted. Yes.
The Hamudur Rehman committee had asked him. Yes. That you had some 20-30,000 soldiers in Dhaka. Yes.
They were mostly of their ordnance a
nd service corps and all. Yes. But you could have fought a little with them. Yes.
If you had fought for at least a week. Yes. Then at least this would not have happened to us. Yes.
But he said. He bullied me into surrender. Yes.
Jacob bullied me into surrender. As if you are a small child. A small child. So, this is the real story of Dhaka. And look. In that. The level of high octane drama. Right. Right. When all this was happening. It is so.
High octane drama. And then we had a treaty with the
Russians, so the Russian submarines were also coming with him. When he came to Bengal, the submarine was standing with his aircraft carrier. It went out and the Russian admiral shook his cap and said that we are also here. Don't forget, don't try to do something wrong. So the Americans were also shocked. China was against you, America was against you, Pakistan was against you. They couldn't do anything. We freed Bangladesh, Pakistan was split in two. I think it was a spectacular operation. One o
f the masterpieces in global military history. Not only in the history of India, but also in the history of the world. It is considered a masterpiece. Sir, you have explained the whole story beautifully. All the tactical, negotiation, everything. So I think this chapter must have been clear for everyone. These are the things that most people don't know about the war. Going into the nitty-gritty, I got an insight perspective that how an army general thinks. How much difference can it make. And ho
w much difference can it make from each decision. Like if they tried to guard the border, Instead of guiding the soldiers, they thought of making a triangle. So maybe something else could have happened. History would have changed. Maybe the US would have come first. There would have been a ceasefire. The UN forces would have come in the middle. And then the Kashmir earthquake. Right, right. So one decision can change the fate. Change the course of the battle. The course of the battle and the his
tory. So sir, now let's come to some Indian current issues from the military. You also know that Indian elections are going to come. And everyone is thinking about who will win. Many people know who is going to win. So who do you think will win this time? And do you think... Because there are also allegations that the way it is won is won unfairly. Right. Competition is not happening in a fair way. This is what is being shown. This is what the opposition is saying. So what is your perspective in
this matter? Is it being won in the right way? And who will win according to you? Look, by and large I am a soldier. I am not a political appointee or this thing. So my connection is only as a citizen. If I say one thing on a national level. Going apart from the nitty-gritty, who is against whom, who was abused, leaving that aside. If we look at the overall pattern, then the dominant demographic of Hindus in India, is the political consolidation that BJP started doing. In 2014, this consolidati
on became very strong. Which no one could do before. Which did not happen. You see, because the Hindu majority, the whole strategy was that it should be broken down. In caste, in caste, in caste. And this has been going on since the time of the Britishers. And this has been going on since the time of the Britishers. Which they followed. Sir, the Hindu majority should never be given political power. In India. Because, sir, our secularism will be in danger. Now the thing is, sir, one democracy, by
definition, is the will of the majority. Yes. That is a very strong perspective. That means, look, power will go where there is a majority. Where the majority of people has gone. And if the majority is Hindu, the demographic, the dominant demographic of Hindus, you break it down and marginalize it. particular community would have the tail wag the dog, the control is in their hands, because they as a vote bank consolidated, they will do it. So for a long time, they had this consolidation of the
Hindu political entity, that was done there, in overall terms. Now it is visible that it has been done. And now the opposition is not being united. India has put so much pressure, we are seeing what happened in the seat sharing in Bengal, in Delhi, in Punjab. So the opposition is fractured. So what is visible, what is coming in the polls, definitely BJP will come back. We have to see how many come with the majority. So I think this perspective is being shown in a different way that, if this pro-
majority government is coming, then there is injustice against minorities, which is not actually a fact. No, you see. It is spread a lot in the news media. But logically, if we look at it, then behind it, it doesn't mean that if the majority wants something, because the majority doesn't want anything wrong to happen to Muslims, or they should be suppressed. Absolutely. Right? No Hindu majority. I mean to say that. If you are a democracy, I am sorry, you have to go by the will of the majority. Ot
herwise, it's not a democracy. You can't structure outcomes that we will break one like this, that we will never allow it to come. There are 1.34 billion people. So it can't be done according to everyone, government. So it can't be done according to a minority of a small group. The government, where that political consolidation of Hindus has taken place. Now you see, that political majority, which is an ethnic majority, is coming up. And that is a given. This happens in every majority. Even the
President of America swears on the Bible, swears in the name of God. Hasn't he become less secular? By secularism, I mean, all religions are equal. We treat all religions as equal. You know, whether you are A religion, B religion, C religion. We are all equal. But at the overall level, my comment is that, we are seeing one thing that is different. Which was not like this 10 years ago, 15 years ago. There was no Hindu consolidation. Now a Hindu consolidation has taken place. And now the oppositio
n against it seems splintered. So sir, this CAA which is being implemented now, it was done earlier, but now it has started to be implemented. On this, they are saying, the opposition is saying that, this is going to be the final blow. This is the final plan of Modi ji. See, CAA, what exactly is CAA? CAA, you know, since India is a Hindu majority country, in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh, and other countries around, the Hindu minorities are being oppressed. A lot of oppression. Especially in
Pakistan. And what else do they have to do? Except to come back to their motherland? Except to come back to their land of origin? And the data also tells us that their numbers are decreasing. Sir, look, there was 18% at the time of partition. Now it is 1.5% today. In single digits. It is less than 1.5%, the Hindu minority in Pakistan. It is less than 1.5%. It is almost wiped out. So, now, where should they go? What is the place for them? So, they will be given priority. Because they are persecu
ted. Okay? Now, you don't say, the Rohingyas are also persecuted. The Rohingyas are smugglers. They are not willing to accept Myanmar. They are not willing to accept Bangladesh, Muslim country. They are not willing to accept Saudi Arabia. They are not willing to accept India. Why? And then they should be settled in J&K. This was happening. And where is that? Near the army containment. So that the terrorists can come from there, see and plan the attack. And after the attack, they can meet the pop
ulation again. So, we can't go to these ridiculous, self-defeating kind of strategies. Just because we want a political outcome in which the Hindu majority, if they are asserting themselves, you will have to accept it in a democracy. In a democracy, the dominant demographic will have the say. Overall, they will have the say. That is what we can see. And now, we can see the opposition fracturing. In a way, I am purely speaking in democratic terms, there should be a strong opposition. But oppositi
on hasn't remained here. They are not being able to unite. So, the outcome is a given. That's a very practical perspective, I think. The way many people don't think. They think that democracy should have the say of everyone. So, everyone has the say. But a large majority, or then there are pockets of people who want something. So, obviously, the large majority... The pointed issue is that the pockets of minorities cannot have a dominant say. They can have their say. But they can't have a dominan
t say. And it's just statistics. It's just math. In a democracy, it's just math. In a democracy, you have to go by the dominant demographic. You can't ignore that. In a democracy, the majority should go to hell. Until we get into this state, we won't accept it. That's not democracy then. I'm not terming it that way. Dictatorship? There's a difference. You are being elected, aren't you? Exactly. Fundamentally, that's the... Every 5 years, elections are happening. You haven't appointed yourself. A
nd no one else has forcefully appointed themselves. Or the army's coup. They are winning elections. And there will be elections in democracy. Now, if they say that they don't like the result, then we don't want elections. Then it's wrong. So, sir, in Indian elections, Pakistan is also very interested Obviously, it always does. So, from Pakistan's side, these people, through ISI, they try to meet with Khalistan, they try to infiltrate inside and to influence a favorable outcome. So, what do you t
hink? In today's time, the situation of Pakistan, it should focus more on itself, within itself, or it should be more focusing on the neighbors. What's going on there? So, according to your analysis, what's the situation of Pakistan today? According to Pakistan, it's in a bad state. It's in a state of frustration. In straightforward terms. It's in a state of frustration. It is on the point of economic meltdown and collapse. After a few years, after 2-3 years, you take a tranche of loan from IMF
and you somehow stay afloat. You are not able to do your debt servicing. And that's why, sir, from the very beginning, Pakistan's army has been calling the shots. Professor Paul Kennedy had said that all over-militarized states tend to suffer from economic overreach and overstretch. And they drown out the economy of their countries. Now, whether it's Austria-Hungary, whether it's Nazi Germany in World War II, whether it's Imperial Japan, whether it's the Soviet Union, what happened to over-milit
arized states? It collapsed economically. Exactly. So, shots were fired. Right, right. Not a single bullet was fired and the Soviet Union was divided into 15 small states. Okay, sir. Pakistan is also in the same state of frustration at this time. And now, sir, the ethnic fault lines are coming to the fore. First, the Baluchi revolt. Now, the area of Baluch is very large. But it's a desert area. There's nothing to cover the forest where the guerrilla fighters can hide. But the thing is, sir, popu
lation, population, demography-wise, they are very small. The Baluch. Right, right. Very small percentage of the Pakistani population. Sindhi is also in revolt. Once again, small percentage of the Pakistani population. Shia, from Gilgit-Baltistan, they are in revolt. Once again, small population. But now, a demography in play is coming, which is very big. Pashtuns. Pathans, Pashtuns. Pathans, Pashtuns. And if Punjab-Pashtun fault line is caught in Pakistan, then Pakistan is finished. So, all the
se people will come together. All will come together. All will come together. And then, the Pashtuns of Pakistan, the justice system of Pakistan, Imran Khan, what is he? He is the Pashtun. Right, right, right. So, he is gathering the Pashtun demography. And he has a lot of power in road. He is also in Punjab. Right. So, for the first time, we have seen a politician who has shown the army a thinga. Yes. And still, he has survived. He has survived. And his people attacked the house of a core comma
nder. His white peacocks, they ate them. They stole them and took them from there. They were so hungry that they cut their heads and roasted them. They ate their peacocks. They opened the fridge from his house and all the dry fruits, this fruit, that fruit, all those people took them from there. Because, the people there are not getting two square meals a day, sir. Yes. And now, there is a very strong perception in Pakistan that this election has been rigged. Yes. Pakistan's army has forced Imra
n Khan to lose this election. And this is the first time that this attraction is very deep. Okay. For the time being, it seems that they have gained control. Yes. But I am saying, sir, that to control your economy, you will have to take very strong measures in Pakistan. Right. The government whose political, what do you call it, there is no legitimacy, where will it take those strong measures? It means that the economy will go towards destruction. Tomorrow again, food riots will start. Right. Hu
nger leads to anger. So, Pakistan's situation is in a very bad state. Strong leadership is not being created. Political leadership is not being created there. Political leadership is not being created. Militaristic leadership is not being created. So,
who can take out Pakistan. What about the army? We need the best weapons, sir. If it has come to India, we need it. No matter how you take it. You may be hungry, you may not eat bread twice a day, but we need it, sir. We need AWACS because India ha
s AWACS. And if India has this 4.5 generation fighter, we also need it. We need new, expensive toys. What is the situation in North Korea now? This is happening. So, this is the situation, sir. Yes. This is a very militarized state. Economic collapse has started. It is at a very high level. They are living on doles. Sometimes IMF gives dole, sometimes Saudi Arabia gives dole. And now China, they have been loaned a lot of money. No one was talking about dole, sir. Yes. They are directly capturing
it. Wherever China has lent money, the country's economic destruction has happened. Whether it is Sri Lanka or Pakistan, the economic destruction has happened. Now, there are the Maldives, Muziju, they are making big Chinese friends. They will drown their country. And they are taking the country towards terrorism. Now, they will have to decide, sir, whether you want tourism or terrorism. You see. Otherwise, we have a lot of capability in India. Lakshadweep is 200-100 km away from Maldives. They
will make a brand out of it. They are opening two 5-star hotels in Tata. So, we can pull everyone from there. Will you die? Right. You can choose. You want terrorism or you want tourism. If you want tourism, then you cannot show such aggressive attitude. You have sent 200 people to support IS-IS. And the number of burqas is increasing there. The number of small pyjamas is increasing. When I went with the military delegation to Maldives in 2007, even then they were worried. The government was wo
rried there. Sir, extremism is increasing in our country. And it will not be good for us. It will not be good for our economy. It will have a negative impact for tourism. And that is happening. Mr. Mijiju has come with a big beard. That I will kick India. It is not that easy. I think he is just a corrupt leader. He can also be a corrupt leader. He is seeing his own benefit. China has shown its hands. They have put money behind. And China also looks for corrupt officers. Absolutely. China has a v
ery open plan. What is called the string of pearls. It wants to surround India from all sides. In Myanmar, in Hangvi, it has caught the port. Sri Lanka has caught the port of Hambantota. Here it wants to catch the port of Maldives. Sri Lanka has refused that their research ship will not come. Right.
Because we were testing Agni 5. So they wanted to spy on it. So we refused that it should not come. So then it entered Maldives. The newest friends of China have been born in Maldives. So somewhere o
r the other, they also have this kind of aggressive attitude. That we are doing as much for you as possible. Right. 1988. Very helpful. The revolt that took place there. I was in the Ammo Directorate then. Yes. When the terrorist Abdullah Lutfi came there and captured the whole country. Who released him? Who came to save you? India came. India. We did para-brigade line. We were there till evening. We released him. Their president, Gagayub. We released him from the terrorists. And freed the whole
country. And now you are showing us your eyes. Your China has become very secure. And you have recruited terrorists. If you want to become an Islamic leader, then your economy will be affected. This is certain. Pakistan has been affected. Sri Lanka has been affected. Wherever China has gone, economic destruction has happened. Sir, you have told us about Pakistan's situation. And Pakistan is planning various ISI operations in India. So let's put a link here that Pakistani ISI has support for Kha
listanis. And Khalistanis together, together they are leading the farmers' protest. And they are making it larger than life. So what do you think? Can there be a link in this? Look, sir. I have told you about Pakistan's economic situation. It is in a state of collapse. At this time, we should pay attention to saving our country. To support a strong political candidate. To create a credible candidate who can save the country. Who can take economically harsh decisions. Who can save Pakistan's econ
omy from sinking. But the small amount of money you have, you should do intelligence operations. What do they say in Khalistan? Make Khalistan in Canada. You should try to make Khalistan in the UK. And the government of America, unfortunately, has to say that it is giving such protection to Pannu. Like, I don't know, if he has any relative. So, all this will cost Pakistan a lot. It will cost a lot. My advice to them is that take care of your country. Then, spread chaos all over the world. Your c
ountry is not taking care of itself. And spread terror all over the world. And that mind comes from there. It comes from the militaristic, over-militaristic regime. Absolutely. Because they think of over-militaristic regime. They think of expansion only. They think that, sir, we will not be able to do anything.
So, our way is asymmetric warfare. And look, he started in Punjab in 1970-1980. In the 80s, it was very developed. Then we crushed the Khalistani movement, the terrorist movement at that
time. After that, he took it to Jammu and Kashmir. So, 21,000 of our people were martyred in Punjab. Then he took it to Jammu and Kashmir. 45,000 have been martyred there. Then, the Indian Mujahideen started a campaign in all the cities of our country. Right. Bomb blasts. Whether Delhi, Mumbai, or Bengaluru, or any other place. Bomb blasts. 15,000 of our people have been martyred in bomb blasts. So, about 80-90,000 of our Indian citizens have already martyred. Now, it is time that we show India
the true value of our country. After Uri, we did a surgical strike. Then, after Pulwama, we did an airstrike. And we told them that if you do such things, you will not survive. You will have to pay a heavy price. Tit for tat. Tit for tat. Absolutely right. Sir, one school of thought believes that there should be negotiations. This is also an approach. One school of thought here is that we should help Pakistan economically. So that tomorrow, they can kick us out with our money. This is a pro-Paki
stan class. Love Pakistan class. We have to think in terms of national security. Exactly. And I think on this particular issue, like I have a science channel, so I try to keep a scientific approach in everything. So, there is a theory of science, basically, called Game Theory. In this, they played simulations. Simulations of cooperation and conflict. Right. So, the prediction of Game Theory is that the best strategy, which will help you survive, and will help you move forward, is this. It's alwa
ys a tit for tat kind of approach. With a little bit of mercy. So, strongly, it should be very tit for tat. And this is the best survival strategy, scientifically. This is the best way to tell somebody that look, if you misbehave, you will get it back. Clear messages. Clear, unambiguous message. Exactly.
You have mentioned this very well. See, I have specialized in war games. I am the editor of Indian Military Review. And after every little time, we play a war game, that if tomorrow India-China
war happens, what can be the outcome? If tomorrow India-Pakistan war happens, what can be the outcome? If tomorrow India-Pakistan-China war happens from 3 sides, what can be the outcome? If China attacks Taiwan, what can be the outcome? So, like chess match. And we have simulated this Maldives scenario. From today, 5-7 years ago, I had played this scenario and said that there can be a problem in Maldives. So, today it has come in front of us. Because even then, we could see that they are going t
owards radicalization. And their sentiments are mostly pro-Pakistan, pro-China, anti-Indian. This can cause a problem. So, we play this war game scenario. So, see, in that, according to the gaming theory, what is the win-win scenario? When you are happy, we are also happy. You mind your business, I will mind my business. So, this is the benefit of both. It is a win-win game. Exactly. But now you say, I will win at the cost of all my neighbors. I will win, sir. I will beat everyone. So, you can a
lso be beaten. You can be beaten well. You do not have the economic strength. You cannot sustain. Even if Pakistan is a nuclear power, it is a nuclear power on the verge of economic collapse. And the world is worried at this time that if this state collapses, then the nuclear weapons will go into the hands of non-state actors. They will go into the hands of Lashkar-e-Taiba, Jaish-e-Mohammad. They will reach IS-IS. Then, sir, not only India, but the whole world is in danger. The whole world is in
danger. So, this fattichar country, whose arrogance is so high, whose ambitions, over-ambitions as it is called, whose military leaders are over-ambitious, that we are this much, sir. But India, whose economy is 50 times bigger than us, we will defeat it. We will make it dust. Means, you have to be realistic. Realistic. If you do not make dust, then you will not be able to stay at home, dear. You will not survive. You will not survive as a nation-state. And the conditions are coming. This is co
llapsing itself. This deck of cards is about to collapse. So, sir, in Pakistan, these attacks, these threats were coming to us throughout the neighbours. So, now, the Indian military was being made strong. And as you said, earlier, the terrorist attacks were also there. Now, they have been curtailed to a great extent. I mean, they are not equal. They have been controlled. So, it looks like there is a strong military defense system in place which is keeping these things safe for us. So, military-
wise, and then, intelligence-wise, do you think that in the last 8-10 years, the situation has improved a lot? Has the national security increased? There is no doubt that a lot of our national security has been consolidated. As you said, terrorism in J&K is almost finished. In Punjab, they have put a lot of pressure. They have not been able to raise their heads. Maoists have become more. Maoists are also showing a lot of support. Normally, in March-April, they do one or two incidents and then, f
or the whole year, they go to Dubai. So, it has not completely ended, but it has been very curtailed. So, on that, internal security scenario, full marks. Then, we have started infrastructure building in the Himalayan border. One thought was there in Bharatvarsh, that we should not build roads in our border areas. Why not? Because China will use it. What nonsense is this? What nonsense is this? What nonsense is this? The Israelis say, the road that leads from Damascus to Tel Aviv also leads from
Tel Aviv to Damascus. Right? It's a matter of perspective. The road that you can use, we can also attack it in Tibet. And now, the Indian army has the capability which was not there before. Which was not allowed to be built before. Don't tease China, sir. Don't tease China. If your Patlu Nagar gets wet without fighting, then what will you save? Everyone will dominate.
Everyone will dominate. Everyone will sit on their heads. Now, the Indian government has started showing their eyes. And the eye
s were already being shown. But without any preparation. Right. Without expanding the army, building new weapons, building infrastructure. You think that you will mess with China. Then, you are going to Pagdandi. And its trucks are coming. They are making Pakistan version 2. You know, its trucks are coming to the border. Class 50 road, class 70 road. So, now we have started building infrastructure. Even China's cold sweats have come. We have done a very good thing. That is self-sufficiency. Auta
rky in weapon systems. You know, self-reliance in weapon systems. What was it that for many years, for decades, people in our country were saying, we are completely self-reliant. How are we self-reliant? We take semi-knockdown kits, completely knockdown kits from Russia. In our country, mechano-set like kids are assembled. We assemble them. We are completely self-reliant. Bullshit, you are self-reliant. It was an optical illusion. Before the war of 1971, our air force told DRDO and others, and t
old HAL, Sir, in this, only missiles are fired on the MiG-21. We want to put a cannon in it. So, when the missiles are fired, then also we can do something. And the missiles are only for air-to-air combat. We want to use it for air-to-ground. Sir, we can't do it. We don't have this, we don't have the source code, we don't have anything. We don't have any kind of... We gave it to our air force workshop, and they installed it. They installed a 23mm cannon in the MiG-21. So, to say that self-relian
ce means you design your own weapons. You make your own source codes. You have your own technology. You do everything from scratch. Right. Yourself. That's when self-reliance comes. Right. We have a public sector, public sector, public sector. We have become fat. And no self-reliance came. So, now we have started to involve the private sector. It has made a lot of difference. Sir, we have seen that our autarky has become nuclear-powered. All the sanctions and sanctions that we have been subjecte
d to, we have made our nuclear bombs against them. We have tested 6-5 of them in the Shakti series of explosions. After that, we have made 160-165 Zakhira of our nuclear weapons. And these are very heavy weapons. Compared to Pakistan, which is 9, 10, 6, 7, 8 kiloton. Now, they are making all those kilotons. To which their Minister was saying that it is a 1.5-foot bomb and a 2-foot bomb. That is a joke. They are increasing the numbers to show the world what they can do. They cannot stop our armor
ed squadron. You know, that 1.5-foot, 2-kilo bomb. Because they too, are protected from nuclear. So, what I mean to say is that we are good in nuclear power. We have become very good in missile power. We have testing of Earth's Agni-5. Agni-1, 2, 3, 4, 5. And the Agni-5 that we have tested is MIRVD. Multiple Independently Targetable Reentry Vehicle. That is, above one missile, 2-10 warheads can come. And what is being said now, And it can go up to 5000-7000 km. And 5000 km is its range. And 1.5
ton payload can carry. So, in exchange for one warhead, it can carry 3 warheads. What does this mean? It means that even if the enemy has anti-ballistic missile defense, like China has, then also it will penetrate. Then also it can leave decoys. So that your anti-ballistic missiles can go towards the decoys and then come the real ones. Then you can cover more area with one missile. You can hit more targets. It is like cluster munitions. It can do more damage. And Kristensen, an American scientis
t, is saying that this MIRV capability that has come to India, India can do a disarming first strike against Pakistan. That by taking multiple Independently warheads, wherever there is a nuclear warhead in Pakistan, we can destroy it. In the first strike, we can destroy its nuclear missile so that it can't respond. So Pakistan is fed up with this. So that is one part of it which is very good. And we are going in for indigenization. Now the ATAC gun which was designed by our DRDO and Kalyani Forg
e and TATAZ and all these people are making it together. Look, the American 155 mm gun has a range of 45 km. It has a range of 48 km. It fires 3 rounds per minute. It fires 5 rounds per minute. It is far superior than the American gun. And it is made in India. So I am saying that if we learn one lesson from the war in Ukraine, it is that it is very important to have a gun. Russia has broken its back with the use of a gun. 50-60,000 rounds per day are being fired. So this 155 mm gun is very impor
tant. Earlier we made a bow gun which was designed by Bofor. Now we have made this 155 mm. Our suggestion to the government is that don't make it 100-200 years. You need 1800 such guns. And as soon as possible increase the amount of firepower because this is a war-winning factor. So this is also very good. We are making our aircraft carriers. We are making our destroyers. We are making our nuclear submarines. We are making our frigates. We are making our minesweepers and corvettes. We can do thi
s in a few countries. 4.5 generation Tejas aircraft, advanced light helicopters. All this is very good. Very, very good. But on one side, which is worrying us old soldiers, we are saying that before the war in Ukraine, there was a school of thought in the military that manpower is eating useless food. Useless food is spitting at us. What is the use of having so many soldiers? Send the soldiers home. This is a very good thing. You are the youngest population in the world. You should make jobs. Bu
t there was a class here who was saying that you should cut down the workers. Because because of them, we are not able to buy weapons. Sir, this is a very strange thought. So what did they start doing? They sat in the Shekharkar committee and they said cut down manpower, cut down manpower, cut down manpower. Money, useless expenses are being spent. Put them to make weapons. Did Russia have any shortage of weapons? Russia's tongue came out because it did not have manpower. You do not have manpowe
r. You have manpower. In 1.4 billion, the largest population in the world, whose 50% is below the age of 26 years. Youngest population. And you are cutting down your army. What do you know? What do you know? During Covid, we stopped any entry for 3 years that the disease will spread. Every year 60,000 boys, retire. Army, Navy, Air Force. 60, 60, 60, 60. You have already reduced 180,000. Every year we used to recruit 60,000. The amount used to be. Now, sir, the Agniveer scheme has come. Agniveer.
Sir, this army is taking a lot of money. They are asking for pension. Sir, they have fought all their life for you. Now you are saying that no, sir, we have to save money. There is only one place where we have to save money. That is on manpower. Very good thing. But will the police fight the main fight with China? Will the police fight the main fight with Pakistan? You are weakening that class who has to fight the biggest fights. You have reduced 180,000. Your military strength. Then you have b
rought the rest. Today, Agniveer. If I am a boy from the village, if I go to CISF, then I can work for 58 years. If I go to CRPF, 58 years. If I go to ITBP, 58 years. Why should I come to the army? So they are saying, sir, there is so much hunger in our country. Then only we will come. We will come, sir. Good people will go there. Those who are left behind, those who could not, those who died, dried up, rotten, will come to you. And you are recruiting Agniveer for 4 years. Where he used to work
for 17 years. Okay, sir. What will he learn in 4 years? There was a training of 11 months. You did it for 6 months. Okay, sir. And then you have to give him a leave. So 2-2 months of leave was there. Annual leave. And 1-1 month is casual leave. So we said, sir, if you add this leave, then 1 year, then this will also be reduced. Sir, what is there in that? We will not give leave to the soldiers. Are you enemies? That 2 months of leave was given, do it for 1 month. The boy who is struggling on the
CISF, he has to see his parents at least. He has to see his family, brothers and sisters. He has to make his family. You said, sir, leave all that. He stayed and finished the training. He finished the leave. 3 years of that boy. In 3 years, will he integrate in the unit? Number 1. Crew served weapon. Infantry will still work a little. But crew served weapon. A cannon crew is 6-8. He works together in the formation. Coordination is required. If every 6 months a new boy is coming, he is going, go
ing home. Then reset it again. From a new start, make him a team. Keep breaking that team. Every 3-6-8 months, you will say, sir, we are doing very well. So you are making a loss. My government had the suggestion that it is good, you want to save money. You want to buy weapons. But Russia had no shortage of weapons. Russia had a shortage of manpower, which was heavy on him. And during the fight, he had to do mobilization. First 3 lakhs and then another 3 lakhs. So will you want to build these ar
mies during the fight? You know. You don't have any shortage of manpower. So my suggestion was that instead of just doing the Nukta Chin, the suggestion is that you increase the service of Agni Veer by at least 5-7 years. And the retention that you are doing, do it by 50%. So that the viable first career is made. We are being told, sir, we will give him such a good second career. What will happen to the first career? In Ladakh, people are saying, they are talking about the same thing. There is a
lso a problem there. Because their entire economy was going on during the era of the soldiers. Now you have finished all that. You have finished the pension. So you should think before doing it. You can still control the damage. You can fix it. Give a little trial. If you have started. But at least 5-7 years. When I fought the war of 1971, the tenure of the youth was 7 years. And he did such a good job. He had time to integrate. He had time to build a team. He had time to do everything. And he h
ad time to become a good soldier. So when he has given such a good result in the war of 1971, that I will talk to you now. So why can't we do this? Increase the tenure to 5-7 years. And increase the retention by 25% to 50%. And you will make the military a viable career. Otherwise, sir, if you destroy the army, then India will become weak fundamentally. You are becoming fundamentally weak. Take a weapon. If the one who is going to use it is not fit, then who will use it? And there is a lot of lo
ss in the war. We have seen how Russia and Ukraine are getting wiped out. At that time, we said that we will create a problem for the manpower. So this is equivalent to hitting a hammer in your foot. So this is a little haste. So it is very good. One lesson, sir, that we can learn from India's perspective. So what can we learn from Ukraine? Number one, don't dilute the manpower beyond a certain point. Number one. Number two, when I was in the military, in the Military Operation Directorate, I am
talking about the year 1999-2000. Then we had made a plan, the mediumization of the artillery. That all the cannons that we have in our artillery, we will standardize them to 155 mm caliber. It has not happened till now. We will have to increase the number of missiles. We have seen that the Air Force could not do much about Russia. Because the air defense has become so strong that it has to stay on the side of its border and fire. So in return for the Air Force, you will have to increase the mi
ssile power, the drone power. The drone power will have to be greatly enhanced. The missile power will have to be greatly enhanced. Then we will be ready for the next battle in the real sense. We will have to make it very strong. And very soon. We will have to make it very soon. And then we will have to modify our tanks. Now you see, the Russian and Israeli tanks have a small roof over them. So that the missiles that come from above can stop them. Okay. Now we will have to do this as soon as pos
sible. We cannot wait for the next battle. Sir, there is a lot of time. Where will we fight? There are so many smart people. We will also be friends with Pakistan. We will also be friends with China. This smartness can also be reversed. This smartness can also be reversed. Because both of them together can attack you. If they do not feel the danger from you. If they do not feel the danger from you. They are feeling it. That India's strength is increasing. So you are doing very well. You are cutt
ing off the manpower and hitting your feet. Sir, there is a talk of constructive criticism. So another issue is rising in the limelight. In this, Sonam Vangchuk is raising his voice. And he is saying that let's balance the economy with the ecology. And let there not be such a situation as in other Himalayan states. What is your opinion on this? What do you think? Sir, I just want to say that Ladakh is a hypersensitive state. It is a hypersensitive area. The biggest danger to China is Mandarana.
And the biggest danger is Ladakh. Right. And in such a situation, if there is so much unhappiness among the people of Ladakh. That they have come on top of fasting. And like Sonam Vangchuk, he is not a teacher. He is not a street thief. He is not a goon who has started talking about popularity. He is a very generous person. He is an educationist. He is a very respected citizen of Bharatvarsh. So if he is saying this, then we will have to pay attention to him. We will have to blank out him from t
he news itself. I am sorry, that is not the way to go. What is the problem? Let us address it. Let us face it before the Chinese start taking advantage. Exactly. And it can turn into a national security threat as well. Then it will become a problem. So this is a border region. And we have to be very sensitive to what the people are saying and feeling. You are saying from your side, we have given a lot. So they are asking for it. No, they are not asking. If they need something, they are saying it
. Right.
And they are fully cooperative. And they are saying that we have not thrown any stone. We have not done anything. We ourselves are fasting. They are sitting in such a minus 16 degree and staying out all night. They are fasting. So why let this problem fester? If they want tribal status in Schedule 6, then let it be. I mean why let it build up or fester or... Infest and create a very... Fester away. Yes. I mean it should not be like, we removed it from the news. Then there is no problem.
Problem solved. I am sorry, it is the way of ostriches. If there is a problem, it is definitely there. The people are unhappy. Attend to that unhappiness and I am sure we will find a way out. We have great minds in our government. They can find a way out of this. And he was also saying this in one of his broadcasts. That sir, look, with Agni Veer, our economy will also be affected. Half of the Ladakhis are in the army. And they are the best fighters. For high altitude. They are born and they do
n't need any acclimatization. Exactly.
So if their daily bread is getting a little loose, then there will be a problem. They are saying that the people of Nepal are not coming. The Agni Veer scheme. They also have a difference. So now here we thought that sir, we said that Agni Veer should not speak against him. He should not do anything against him. I think that is not the right approach. I think the approach is to keep your eyes and ears open. Open. And see if there is any pain somewhere. That
too in such a sensitive border state. It should be attended to as fast as possible. Sir, a quick question. Now regarding China and Taiwan. Like what do you think from a geostrategic point of view. Can China invade Taiwan? And if it can, then how soon? What do you think about it? Look sir, the first thought was that China will be ready militarily by the time of 1925 to 1927 and will invade Taiwan. But now we played a war game recently in Indian military review. And we found that sir, China's tho
ught is that America is trapped in a quagmire Ukraine, a quagmire Middle East. Middle East. But actually, in this year, in 2024. If China suddenly invades. So, the met conditions, the tide conditions, are best in April, May and August. So, either it can rise in April, May or it can rise in August. But the fear of something or the other happening this year is increasing. So, something like this will emerge in the military simulations. This has been clearly shown in front of us, that if we Chinese
, If we were playing the China game, how would they think? And because of this, America is also sweating a little. Now they have started pivoting from Europe towards Asia. And they have told the European countries, you take care of Ukraine. We are coming towards China. There is a reason, that's why they are doing it. Then it will have a big impact on us. What impact can it have? That China will first hit Taiwan, then attack us, then Japan, then Russia. They have a plan to attack everyone one by
one. So should we just sit and watch? What can we do? How much can we do? How involved should we be? How much should we not be? We can't be like Ukraine, that we will fight America's war. We are very brave. We are not fools. That we will fight someone else's war. But we have to save our country. And we have to see that we don't have to be alone. We don't have to be alone. To what extent will you have to be involved? To what extent? This is a very sensitive issue, which the government has to deci
de. So sir, like in the army, there is a pyramid structure. And you worked all your way up to that pyramid structure. That is also a very inspirational story. And definitely like today, every Indian should have a brave mindset. Because India is waking up. And you know, it is reaching new heights. So what do you think, at what level are you contributing? Like to spread this mindset. Like do you want this mindset to come in the youngsters especially? Excellent. See, when I retired in 2008, from th
en till today, my continuous endeavor has been to go to schools, go to colleges, of patriotism, nationalism, military ethics of the armed forces, armed forces as a carrier. Because we are seeing that the top children are not coming to the army. The children of the officers are not coming. What else is there to know? The children of the officers do not want to come to the army. Because they find that compared to sitting at home, sitting at home, I will earn a lot of money, I will be safe, there i
s no need to climb the ladder. So this is creating a danger that if high quality manpower does not come towards the armed forces, then our country will be at a loss in the fight. So to motivate people, when V. General V. K. Singh sir was there, he had spoken to me. So we started first, me and my son started a series of war comics together. Paramvir Chakra Vijayetaon Ki Kahaniyaan. Ashok Chakra Vijayetaon Ki Kahaniyaan. Stories of Bravery. Such brave stories. Because see how culture and bravery w
ere nurtured earlier. How? It was spread. They would take a single line from the village, they would be poets, they would sing outside. Gajbar Chhati Prithviraj Ki Aankho Bhai Mashal. So they kept the prosperity of the warriors like Prithviraj alive. We had thought that now the poetry is over. You will not find this in any village. No one has time or time. They are busy earning their daily bread. So our hope was that our Bollywood, our television will step in. To motivate children, to keep the c
ulture of courage, culture of bravery, to continue. Right. But what films is Bollywood making? What role models are they? Gangs of Wasseypur, Don 1, Don 2, Don 3, Smuggler, Rapist, Murderer. These are the icons you are making. You are making the icons of all your gangsters. You want to make the hero of every film a gangster. Because funding is coming from there to make you a film. And you are giving this to the nation. You are setting an example for the youth. Children will watch the films. Wher
e will the brain go? How many films have been made on the army? Count them, count them on your fingers. Now a era has started in which this is happening. So first we made these comics. Then we saw that with the pension of a retired man, the boy also invested the money of his Merchant Navy. 20, 30, 40 thousand comics can be made. That is not even a drop in the ocean. To the limited people. To the limited people. Then we started to digitize it. What did we do? We started to make war documentaries.
Which came on Republic Channel, Times Now, Aaj Tak, Epic Channel. And it has come on many channels, Sudarshan etc. So we made a whole series on our war heroes. Param Vir Chakra Vijayta, Mahavir Chakra Vijayta. Last year it was called Shaurya series on Republic. They used to run it every weekend for 7 weeks. And we showed our 7 heroes the famous battles of India. From 1947-1947. We showed battles of 1947-1947. We showed battles of 1962-1962. We showed battles of 1965-1965. Then we showed battles
of 1971-1971. We showed battles of 2-3 army, navy and air force. And then we showed the Kargil war. So now we were making it on a shoestring budget. So now my son has made it. Second Lieutenant Arun Khetrapal Param Vir Chakra. In the 1971 war. That one boy had shot down 5 enemy's pattern tank. And then he was martyred. He was my batch mate. So we wanted to make a tribute for him for a long time. Which was technically high standard. And could run on other good platforms other than normal TV chan
nels. So we worked hard. We will also run on other platforms. So that the kids can watch good war films. The first thing is that people don't know about these stories. Like the real bravery hides. And the bravery before the camera comes in abundance. And whose bravery does it come in abundance? Of Don, Smuggler, Goon, Gangs of Wasseypur. So is this a way? Are we setting a role model for our children? Exactly. And youngsters are so much influenced by what comes on TV and cinema. So here, when you
see Don 1, Don 2, Don 3. Who are Don Don? Goons, crooks, mawalis. They are making folk heroes and there was no talk of the army. Now some have been made. Fighter movie has been made and 2-3-4 movies have been made. I have heard that more are coming. We are also making a movie on the war of 1971. We are in talks with some people. So all this is going on so that brave stories come out. The tradition of courage. Actual heroes should come out. And actual heroes should enthuse our youth. So I think
it is a very noble idea and we can bring out unsung stories and actual heroes. And those people. Ballads of bravery. Exactly. Ballads of bravery. Unsung, unheard. Right. And buried. That sir we don't have time for politics or any other thing. So this should happen. Like the statue in front of us of Shivaji Maharaj. Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj. So everyone knows his story in Maharashtra. But it should be known throughout India. How many such heroes are there? I think a very big movie. Chhatrapati
Shivaji Maharaj's story is not even made. We haven't seen it. I haven't seen it either. So it should be made. Who will make it? Will they make it in English? Or will Americans make it? Or will Russians make it? We will have to make it ourselves. Right. But it is not a special thing till now. So this culture is slowly coming. And hopefully it will evolve further. And then actually. There is a difference with the government's arrival. And we can see that nationalism is spreading. Patriotism is sp
reading. But its practical ways. It can't be done with just words. Right. You will have to make it. Your war movies. And war documentaries. You will have to make influential content. You will have to make influential content. It is very important. It is very overdue. So thank you so much sir for your time. And we got to learn a lot. In a very elaborated way. I think a lot of youngsters who are watching. And even. You know people of mid age. They would have got a clear perspective. How does the a
rmy work. How do geopolitical strategies work. And what are the conditions going on overall. In current affairs. Thank you so much for your time. Thank you. So sir before we disconnect. A final message that you would like to give the viewers. See the 21st century. That is the century of India. India is the 5th largest economy. We are heading to be the 3rd largest. Our 2nd largest army. Our 4th largest air force. 5th largest navy in the world. And we have nuclear power. We have space power. But w
e can achieve that. Super power status. Under the condition that. In our youth. Nationalism. Patriotism. And the desire to achieve something. Can be fulfilled. This is very important. This motivation. Is highly essential. For India to reach the pinnacle. Of its power.
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