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It'll fade Into  the music directly as an intro that was just me explaining for your sake  when we're editing yeah so yeah [Music] let me know what you guys think  of the mix of course of course [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] You wanted to know how the mix was? Bring it in! Thank you!  That's how good the mix was! Planning on dropping this in a few months, gotta figure shit out... Yeah everyone's everywhere.. Oh.. So this guy's in the US right now Yeah wh

o is this guy again? So there's Pranav, Daerrn and Henro..He goes by Rohen..You met Henro, he's in.. oh my God Arizona both these other guys are in  Chennai, we're trying to figure out some parts need to be re-recorded but we want to shoot a  video oh maybe dope to come out with a video Yo that is that is amazing, like you said this  was a Bop this is a straight up bop! Stream it when it comes out (ok that laugh came out of nowhere wtf) Of course so you know that begins our first ever episode  o

f the Music for Days podcast. Hello everybody I'm Sudu and join me as I explore and connect  with all the musical artists of the growing music scene here in Chennai and  today we have the one and only Vrun! Oh what's up guys Bring it in here bro! it's actually funny how we met here  today because like we were supposed to meet like I want to say like three  months ago and like I think neither of us kept up with that whole conversation.. Exactly yeah.. So like that didn't really happen but like th

is is the first time we're meeting and  what a [ __ ] way to kick it off.. yeah yeah lezgoo! With a banger track too.. it's called Pick Your Poison guys, stream it whenever it comes out. Whenever tf it- Oh I can't swear right? I just did.. You did? I just did, did you not clock that? What'd you say? I said I fucked *cringes* .. Yeah stream tf out of it when it comes out. So yeah you know today you know now let's uh let's  get into the main part of the whole podcast is that it's all about talking

with the artists  and getting to know what sort of art it is that they do why they do it and how they  do it you know what me drives them for it so yeah man just you know could you give us a little intro  about yourself? So myself Varun I go by the artist name Vrun. So I'm a producer, I DJ a little bit uh  now I'm a mixing and machine engineer as well, I've learned quite a bit.. So I majorly make Hip-Hop.. Hip-Hop, R&B, Boom-Bap turning into EDM now because my roots were EDM. I started listenin

g to  music majorly on EDM.. In pop I like Akon, Martin Garrix, Afrojack.. Oh, so your foundation is based on all those O.G. ... Yeah like club sh- Right yeah.. So I grew up listening to that and I have to thank my cousins, my brother, a lot of people to thank for the music they put me on, I grew up on that. My mom listens to  like uh Carpenters you guys know Carpenters? Osibisa? I'm not sure.. [Madhav : Karen Carpenter]. Yeah.. Boney M? I'm not sure about that.. You don't know Boney M? Rasput

in? Ok chill these are old classics I grew up listening to. Obviously, it's a lot of genres but the main ones that stuck with me are EDM and Hip-Hop. With Hip-Hop obviously I grew up listening to Eminem.. you know I didn't know much about hip-hop  back in the day but once I came to my 11th and 12th grade, like so many artists just came up right... I relate with that too, like yeah I used to be like uh mainly Eminem sort of.. Exactly like  I don't know any other rapper like 50 Cent, damn he's a r

apper? I didn't know that... Yeah I just thought he did the ALS Challenge and that was it that was pretty much it.. I I don't  know about that.. The ice bucket thing... know he did one.. Hey that  was a thing back in school! Everyone did that on Facebook.. [Madhav: yeah] People did it at home.. Wait  you guys had friends who did that at Bro in school! Yeah in Chennai it was really good.. My school did not bother even peaking about [ __ ] like that..  Vaels had people like that.. [Madhav: I got

nominated to do it  and I never ended up doing it]. I think I did.. I don't know maybe I did... Did you regret not  doing it how do you feel about it? [Madhav: I don't give a shit]. Fair enough.. For the time... [Madhav: ALS is not going anywhere to be fair..]. Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah So it's cancer right? [Madhav: ALS is a different thing] No, it's cancer awareness.. Yeah that's the ALS ice bucket challenge.. [Madhav: ALS is not cancer it's a different thing]. Never mind let's let's just move

faster yeah  whatever but yeah yeah so that's that's oh yeah so music uh what was your question so why we  do it you know I just wanted you to give a little intro about yourself and you know now that I get  it and like uh right now in your stage in music what genre do you specialize in? Hip-hop. Mainly Hip-Hop? Are you talking are we talking like trap hip-hop? Trap uh I would say trap is  my stronghold and my strong point I could do boom bap, R&B would be.. You can do boom bap? For sure.. Yo tha

t's.. For sure still still I'm something like I know we can do it but I'm not  entirely strong but trap for sure okay yeah I mean yeah it is what it is.. That's amazing man I really like that  part where you know you you're not sticking to just being in trap because even I'm like  uh I'm like you know you could say someone of an artist and like I'm I'm also doing my fair bit in  producing and like one of the things that I really wanted to make sure was to not be put in a box right  because I per

sonally feel like you know we're artists bro.. If you want to have at least some sort of traction  or at least some sort of individuality in your music you can't put yourself in a box, so  like you know it's like an empty canvas you can do whatever you want.. Look at what Tory Lanez did oh yeah I do right I  swear you could say Ross too who else who else The G.O.A.T. Kanye.. Oh that's peak! Actually a good that's a proper example for  an artist who does everything yeah like [ __ ] literally anyt

hing bro so yeah I mean yeah  that's what I had to say about that and uh yeah so when did you start producing? So I  used to like screw around on FL studio from like 2017 2018. is that like uh ninth grade 10th grade yeah  ninth tenth I used to have like some DJ software like [ __ ] [ __ ] around like slash around but  I would yo I made some [ __ ] music I could pull it up right now I don't know bro that's just so  whack! Hey bro I relate to it... I started making it especially because like okay 

I don't I don't want to bring this up but like I was heartbroken right this high school [ __ ]  uh I started to make some sad music it's pretty whack I'm not gonna lie, don't stream that sh-.. My friend my my real friends know where to find that but yeah don't stream that [ __ ] yeah. I'll tell you guys this right if you thought that was let's say corny maybe at  the time like now that I look back at it uh I see where it is I love that I love that I did it  but yeah the music was sh- yeah I sa

mpled uh and you guys know Gone Gone by Phillips oh yeah  yeah yeah I sample that.. Wow! yeah you used after that you tried sampling in your early days of FL Studio ? Oh yeah for sure bro.. that's insane I could never no because like you know  I'll tell you why because like in my starting days of doing FL Studio and everything my first ever song  was a diss track to my teacher and that was.. Hey we all started there.. It was so bad no you  know you don't understand like you know what it was call

ed? "Rot".. R-O-T? Yes it was literally titled  Rot I don't even remember the lyrics but like it was really [ __ ] song like what you said but hey  you know the point being is that looking back on it it's a good way to see how far you've come.. [Madhav: Bruh the fact that your first song was a diss track to your teacher, that just speaks [ __ ] volumes dude!] Yeah...So then you're Black Eminem... More or less so yeah I mean uh that's where I started so okay so you started  pretty much since then

... Messing around FL for the longest uh didn't take it seriously I knew that's what I wanted to do  in life uh DJ music but it wasn't until 11th and 12th when I started taking it seriously I had  a friend his name is Arvind, shoutout to Arvind uh me and him me and him.. you know Arvind... me and him used to  cook up together uh so he was making music as well there's a lot of people in my college sorry  School Harsha a lot of guys that were making music like why not do that as well.. So  you had

a very like almost like a little community in school where.. Not  that I wouldn't say community because everyone was to themselves right or like me and Arvind we used  to like produce a little bit together and I mean we were producing regardless individually to  ourselves but like we had that friend circle because when you're making music in school you  want someone to support you okay you want friend circle who was telling you like yeah okay it's cool because  at that point not everyone does i

t but it's not everyone as a kid knows how to make music true  like they don't know what to do go where so all those sort of started around the same way a  lot of other friends as well and guys I met online and I started making music like that I was making  Lo-Fi initially oh yeah nice I'm not gonna lie its on soundcloud, so I was sampling make movie songs  sorry movie dialogues and I put the more sad beats but yeah yeah [ __ ] like that I started with  Lo-Fi and then trap once I found trap I ne

ver left it but traps just I [ __ ] love making  trap beats.. just just it's energy right... I love to make like chill music I go back to that  any day but for me energy comes first like hard [ __ ] so yeah now that that's sick man that's  that's absolutely sick so okay so you started making music since then... I'd say when I was 16.  seriously 16 but like before that like 13.. Long way, long-ass way.. [Madhav: I remember.. we had conversations] Yeah me and Madhav go way back like we wouldn't re

ally talk about music but after school we'd go to the park.. [Madhav: Near the stands..] I see.. [Madhav: I used to wait for my driver to come pick me up.] For Kevin right? Exactly.. Shoutout to Kevin You kind of started dabbling around music from 13  and now it's like you know you've been at it for like what close to eight years something of that  sort uh right.. Yeah but I would say seriously like four or four years man.. Sure okay obviously you're  doing it for four yeah seriously four years.

.. now let's say you know we have you know considering  how big the scene is getting more with more and more artists coming in some of them even bringing numbers trying to push the Chennai scene, what would you say is like a personal advice of yours  that you would suggest to any musician coming up? Hell even I'll take it you know that like in your  journey that you felt yeah you know what I wish I did it this way I wish it went a certain way  and you know I kind of regret it you know.. is there

something of that sort that you have? There's a lot  like that so yet again you know I'm still learning.. A couple of few that you're familiar to talk about.. No I'm  still learning right I have a long way to go uh I don't feel like I'm in the right position to give  that advice but something I have learnt is uh so while so my situation while I started in the scene it was very different.. a lot of  [ __ ] going on at home uh I I love to make music but at the same time I had to make music as wel

l  to support myself financially.. Oh yeah.. So I was doing that for a while I was still making like a  lot of music [ __ ] I loved but the end of the day I felt like I got lost in the business aspect of  things, like Fiverr uh like this beat that beat I got lost I got lots of beats.. [Madhav: Weren't you selling beats?] I  still sell beats yeah yeah but okay yeah yeah I mean I still do it because you know but nowadays  I'm focusing more on collabs but at the end of the day that advice comes fro

m where you're starting  out right so my point is don't get lost in the business aspect of things focus on your art uh  because that that comes first you focus on your art.. because a lot of times I've seen a lot of artists  do as well so you now you have a plan like you know you have 10 songs assume you have 10 songs to  drop right you just focus on developing those 10 songs to the fullest and don't have the mentality  of like oh [ __ ] I need to drop this every other week no keep those songs l

ike crystal ready to  go, sleep on it for a year if you have to have and it comes out conquer shit then, don't be lost in the  thing like concrete right now everyone has a time I'm still learning man I got a long way to go and  I'm trying to remind myself every day like don't rush it don't rush it just relax you know just  be present.. That's just some great advice man I agree because like I remember like even I'm dropping an EP pretty soon.. stream it, whenever it comes out.. When is it coming?

I would say I'll confidently say it'll be  dropping by the end of this year at the maximum worst okay right like by the end of the year  you'll definitely expect an EP from me.. So one of the main things that I got like how he mentioned  getting lost in the business side of it was like seeing how messed up the music industry can get..  Yeah yeah oh... I got like I because my version of looking at it was uh I okay I had a couple of my  songs ready I was like okay I want to drop this and before I

dropped it I looked at distribution  now when I looked at distributions obviously I mean uh you know I'm not sure how many people will  be aware of this but there's the fact that there's a lot of online distributors out there who can get  your music out, without these people you can't yeah and every distributor has some ick about them.. True..  yeah to some extent I mean I'm saying this purely because of how I did this whole research thing  where I was going up on Reddit, I was going up on Twit

ter, I was going up on every forum possible  and every single forum was like absolutely [ __ ] on every distributor there is... I'm not gonna  drop any names yeah but but you get the point it's like it's tough for a lot of artists out there  because there's so many reasons and these people can really mess you up you know and like sort of  uh [ __ ] with you mentally so because of that I was very uh unsure I was very intimidated to  be honest and I wasn't able to you know think stuff straight but

now I've now that I've  gotten a little bit of an understanding of what it is and you know sort of some some level of  acceptance too I guess you know you can't really get everything you want.. You can't, you can't... you  really can't so yeah with that I would say yeah you know sooner or later I'll be dropping it now  and now I I'll say that I'm in the mixing stages okay.. So yeah yeah you know you know be looking  out! be looking out.. so yeah that's that's that and now I would like to talk t

o you.. Damn you got  a lot of questions... We're trying to really understand how each and every artist is.. You  know I've never done one of these before I don't know where to look I'm looking at him  I'm looking there I'm looking at you.. same same no you're looking at the  camera I'm trying to not look at the camera oh.. [Madhav: You're not really supposed to look at the camera.. Only for intro segments...] Oh fu-- Another advice I would want to say is um this  is from a producer's standpoint

uh you produce as well you rap.. so to all the producers out  there just like know your uh uh you have to study some aspects of the legal aspects of how Music  works like royalties, distribution, performance rates, uh collabing with people, getting your credits  well because people will [ __ ] you up artists are gonna take your beat and run with it! like  they're gonna run with it.. Yeah you had experiences like that? uh yeah they'll steal my beats for sure and use it  don't give credit it'll b

e like guys in Poland like somewhere in Europe they'll just blow up  with it like no like just pay me some money like you're making bread of it why not and somebody  should be like yeah I'll pay you bro they'll use a beat they'll put the song out then they'll  go ghost you for months and see I allowed them to do that because I was broke at one point  I would still say I'm to an extent but things are going compatibly way better so when those artists  tell me like hey I don't have money I'm like o

kay cool you know let's go on it together uh and this  is only the situation where they see I'll pay you later if we're gonna see you I can't pay you at  all I'll be like fine you know I'm not going to expect nothing but when you put it up front I'm  still going to expect it right? True.. so they'll put the song out they'll even drop a video  bro okay like you want money to drop a video why can't you pay me? You know and it's not even  like like a bad thing, it's what you owe yeah and I'm not ev

en complaining about it like I'm handling  with these guys in the nicest way possible and see if I was some rich kid I don't give a [ __ ]  about the money but where I come from I have to genuinely like take care of myself yeah right  because man so it sucks, but you know there are there are some nice artists out there who like  fully watch out for you so shout out to those guys.. yeah man of course there are always going  to be some real gems.. exactly Rare gems.. right okay emphasis on the Rar

e.. but but yeah okay.. because only a struggling  artist will know another struggling artist perspective.. true.. at the end of the day.. yeah  okay yeah that's that's yeah that's that's definitely important so.. All right let  me ask you this now you you do production in music and that includes like beat  making, mixing and all of that stuff What is is like your personal favorite part  of the whole production? Beat making. Beat making? so I love to mix and master I nah you know what  I'm gonn

a correct I'd love to mix and master but beat making is really and pretty much yeah I am comfortable and most comfortable in any day.. I agree too man, same likewise because like mixing  mastering is a little you know comparatively less creative more tedious... Hella tedious. yeah you know you know how it is when like you  know you think you've done the best mix at one night your brain resets.. your brain is like bro :((  that that low end it's muddy here yeah compressor.. Where did the kick go?

!.. [Madhav: The kick disappears for you?"] You don't know the nightmares I've been through.. Oh wait he's not wrong like okay [Madhav: No am I the only one that feels that?] Wait you too? [Madhav: Yeah I mix for some big people dude..] yeah yeah no I mean I mean I guess you know I mean it's one of those things  that we all relate on right it's like mixing can be a kind of complicated process  [ __ ] so yeah okay even I would agree to it's like we are for me beat making is my favorite bit  too

because like you know when I do beat making I look at it in a way where okay I typically work  in the sense of okay I typically work in the sense of like uh working with a sample first and like  you know typically I'll find a sample from like Cymatics because.. oh yeah.. you know no royalties  no issues.. oh yeah shout out to cymatics.. Shout out to cymatics only because of y'all I'm able to drop my EP I wouldn't have made beats without y'all. okay now I'm starting to like recently  I've start

ed making my own samples but when I started or it was just Cymatics yeah and like you know.. You make your own samples? now yeah.. oh.. but I still use samples  okay okay like now so I could show you this more music but it's fine, pretty much this track is a sample.. all right.. okay like we added our own  layers to it.. what was the song called again? Pick Your Poison, shout out to Pranav, Rohen, Arpit I made the song with them recorded in my place I  don't think anyone else made the beats, sho

ut out to whoever made the samples I don't know his name.. Shout out to the whole damn community.. My boys yes yeah so yeah yeah but but as I was saying it's like you know I always start off  with uh typically any Cymatic sample I like to build around it and then like you know in terms  of you know how production goes like you know ideas just flow to you bro whenever wherever you  won't even be making the beat an idea will come to you so like that's how I typically produce and  yeah beat making

is definitely definitely my most favorite part on production too.. So like please  I feel like that's the most in the initial state of making music that's what it's most creative  yeah right that is a foundation as creative as you can and then mixing and mastering it's just  fine tuning yeah it's polishing exactly but yet again there's an old argument of the same person  who makes a beat mixing it and mastering it right.. What's the argument about that.. So I'm okay  this depends on the time fra

me but they usually there is a stigma or like people feel that  okay the guy who's making the beat shouldn't mix and master as well because he might be uh...  Like ear-fatigued? Fatigued no or what's the word it's more like possessive yeah oh you know  what I'm saying? Are you saying there might be a level of partiality.. yeah exactly yeah.. oh you  think their way of approaching the beat will be more subjective, rather than the objective way of getting the best product.. Yeah but there are a lo

t of beatmakers who mix and master their own [ __ ] like there's nothing wrong with  it depending on what your frequency of doing that is if you make the beat one day and you're sitting  and mixing and mastering at the same day like you're doing it I feel like you're gonna mess it up to  some extent you come back into a few days later you'll have a better chance of doing it why that  compared to you make the beat send it out to some dude like somewhere else he listens to it he adds  his own sauc

e everything that works best.. okay.. but yeah obviously that I don't always believe  in the result that's why I want to learn to do everything on my own so it says my control  even you'd agree on that.. I would agree on that.. you trust your process best than anyone else.. because that's the beauty of like art right you find your own process.. yeah.. you make  your own process like this is one sort of mentality that I try to keep up whenever I you  know whenever I make something a little let's

say a little experimental where I'm a little like okay  this may or may not work I always think to myself okay like you know everyone's the way you look at  everything these days everything is so saturated yeah yeah you look at any any sort of market  in music any side of music it's so saturated so I look at in a way where if it's so goddamn  difficult to climb up that lane just make your own lane.. yeah exactly.. just make your own lane.. See it  doesn't matter where I look at in a way where l

ike it doesn't really matter where you are in that  lane as long as you're in your own lane that's a power in itself that's a blessing in itself because  you're in a lane right now most people aren't.. that separates you from the crowd... exactly and  there's a lot of rappers and singers out there who just you know do their thing they don't know how  to make a beat they don't know how to mix master oh yeah.. they don't know how to promote.. yeah.. like you learn  it it's good for you else you're

handicapped I feel like if you learn everything it's best for  you.. I'm just gonna say this since you brought that up I'm not gonna mention who or what or  anything.. who is it? I met a certain somebody somewhere somehow and uh let's just say  that person is somewhat of a you know somewhat of a known figure in in like the music  scene and like the rap music scene and when I met this person we were talking about like music for  a brief moment not too long and that person did not know what FL St

udio was.. okay.. my head just like *boom* I was like bro, you have a career in this... [Madhav: how is that possible?] I genuinely lost it I was like.. did  you tell them Fruity Loops maybe they guessed it then... I broke it down from like okay there's  FL Studio 12. there's FL Studio 20 maybe you know the other one anything? zero peep nothing, I was  like *sighs* you know like just like it's been a long day it's just fine though whatever I mean who am I to  criticize.. yeah exactly it is wha

t it is.. it is what it is it is it is even though I do feel a certain  way about it, it is what it is it is what it is. And now we were you know we were talking about our  creative processes as well would you mind sharing uh like a little glimpse or a little sneak peek  of how you generally approach a beat or how you generally make a beat.. like you're saying how it  started.. yeah yeah how like like let's say let's say okay you wake up and you're in the mood to  create a beat how and you open

up yourself what's like the how do you make it? like if for example  with my sort of little bit of research that I've done a little bit  of videos that I've watched it being interested in hip-hop I've watched a lot of you know you know do  you know you obviously you know who Nick Mira is.. Nick Mira yeah, hell yeah.. he started off of his beats by if I'm not wrong  doing either the melody first or the drums first.. he did both but like he's a melody guy.. like he mentioned it in some specific vi

deo I'm not sure where exactly.. but he's got so many  tutorials.. exactly he's got so many tutorials bro so like he mentioned that and like ever since he  mentioned that I took that idea and I didn't really think about it but like whenever  I approached music I'll start off in a way where I always usually go for the sample first so how  would your process look like? so for me too it's mostly the sample I always have either an idea  in mind or I just pick a sample sometimes I go into the thing w

ith drums in my mind now if  I'm doing depends on the BPM right.. correct.. so if I have like now I was telling him I used to  make Lo-Fi so for songs like that I'll already have like an entire template actually I sample  these vocals put them right here now for Lo-Fi you know the main themes are like rain noises  crackles just random ambiences.. right yeah yeah.. so for that I'll sample the dialogue put put more  melody put those in and now if I'm just making a trap beat mostly it'll be the sa

mple right and  there's always like a strict thing that I know uh where to cut what frequencies like now you load  any sample of you know you're gonna take on the bass frequencies yes right so the main the mid stay  and you have like the high mids unless like the sample itself have like bass in it.. so I'd pull  that sample and just tweak it maybe reverse it gross beat.. yeah again shout out to gross beat for saving my career.. yeah there's so much sh-- you can do with FL Studio. like I hate it

when people [ __ ] on FL Studio like it is what it is. Wait who sh--- on FL? people who use Logic.. yeah.. people who use logic  yeah... man, dude shut up bro! just do what you're comfortable with oh okay okay exactly you know like I understand why there's  a stigma like use logic but hey like FL Studio don't talk [ __ ] about mine.. dude literally  like the biggest producer in the world right now has his roots set in FL Studio still does it  in FL even though he might have whatever device lik

e whatever so you know I'm talking about  Metro.. Metro, Nick Mira, Southside, Cxdy I don't know what Timbaland uses.. yeah he's old-school he's probably among the type of people who use like anything and everything anything.. Timbaland uh yeah but yeah  like exactly okay yeah so yeah uh my creative plus also said I do the drums and that's it man  nothing too special just like what everyone else does I don't have a particular sauce I do have  sauce in my drums.. okay that's obviously.. yeah it's

yours.. I won't share it.. yeah no of course.. so The Melodies you  know everyone that's up to everyone yeah with my drums to make them knock because trap right yeah  I have my own sauce for it yeah obviously like I found the sauce on YouTube but it's still a secret  sauce.. yeah you don't wanna just lay it out.. yeah it's truly it should be knocking.. yeah so yeah that's sick  man that's sick let's see what else we got here say okay okay enough enough talk shop  let's let's talk about like our

favorite you know artists.. let me ask you who are your  favorite artists? do you mean like a top five? um ok top 5, top 5 in no order.. I'm gonna definitely throw in uh Kanye there, Kanye has to be there no matter what no matter  at what stage I am in life Kanye will always be there okay second I'd give it to Kid Cudi bro okay you know something about his music just speaks to me deeply  on so many levels.. I love Kid Cudi so much then I have a third spot I would give  it to uh I want to give i

t to Mac Miller okay I want to give it up Mac Miller's got like uh  I don't know bro he's very personal he's like insanely personal the vulnerability of his  of his music it speaks too much to me and uh okay I got Mac Miller then I would put and then  I throw in okay I guess for you know I guess the most mainstream answer.. Drake.. no.. Travis..Travis.. yeah I  think those two yeah yeah but in a good way like my mainstream but like in a good way I like uh  of course Travis and I don't even need

to explain especially with how Utopia dropped.. yeah yeah.. fun  fact I mean not so fun but like when Utopia had dropped right I hated the album.. yeah  it grows on you.. it grows on you like insane dude I like its still growing on me.. Utopia was good but Astroworld is better, which one would you pick? The thing is Utopia is growing in me in such a way where it's almost  peaking over Astroworld.. okay.. something about the production I don't know it is insane so like yeah  I uh you know abso

lutely love Travis and fifth spot uhhh I'd give it to Denzel Curry yeah yeah he it's it's like there's something  about Denzel Curry where like my music taste was a certain way up until 2018 okay and then  in 2018 Denzel Curry dropped this album called Taboo and like I highly recommend any hip-hop  or rap guy to definitely check this out shout out to Denzel Curry bro shout out to Taboo  too like those like that album changed my music taste like you know how when you have  a moment where your mu

sic taste just expands yeah you're like bro I didn't know that these sounds  could work it could work this existed yeah exactly so Denzel really pushed that he had you know he  he pushed the themes of like R&B he pushed like all the lyrical rap stuff trap emo dude you know Billie EIlish is there in that album of all artists she's a secret feature.. is she credited? no secret feature okay yeah but yeah point  being those are my top five, what about you man? I was having this conversation with on

e of my  friends the other day so it it's a very mixed thing but are we doing with just rappers or like  all time musicians.. I looked at it in an all-time musicians aspect because like I  mainly listen to hip-hop so you can give me your all-time.. for me I'd definitely have to put Martin Garrix on there.. okay of course.. uh Afrojack, when it comes to hip-hop XXX uh XXX,  Juice Wrld and 5th this is hard but I'd have to say Travis Scott there's a lot of guys I listen to.. So your overall music

top 5 is like Martin Garrix, Afrojack, XXX, Juice Wrld and Travis Scott. Feel like we're missing someone I'd love to put J.Cole on there.. um I want JID on there but like it's  it's fine I said no order right.. Bro all like the rap heads are screaming at  one name for both of us we haven't mentioned them yet take a guess   who I'm talking about.. Can't be Drake.. No Kendrick Lamar, neither of us even peeped at Kendrick. What do you think about his album Mr Morale and the Big Steppers.. Can't lie

I haven't heard much of it.. I listen to Kendrick but not that much. But you know who I like more than Kendrick? Baby Keem I can see that.. yeah baby came hard as hell yeah he's on the come-up man there's a reason.. He's on the come-up for a while so the thing is I was  going through his uh discography right bro he's been like songwriting for people for like a long  time he had his career takeoff in 2020 no 2018 he had Orange Soda and but he's been writing for  people for way longer like you g

uys know Numb Numb Juice? okay no bro I know the Orange Soda... That's a Schoolboy Q song... oh okay he wrote that that's that sounds hard yeah yeah he produces too a little bit of it too okay  let me ask you uh a little tougher question if you had to listen to one album for the rest  of your life just one one album.. I had this conversation the other day so I found an Instagram post it was  like one album you can do I have three albums so.. okay so yeah.. I will mention that uh so one of them 

was uh Afrojack's album Forget The World.. okay.. second is Nothing But The Beat by David Guetta.. Okay so  the EDM influence is heavy.. heavy yeah yeah yeah heavy and third block It's gotta be AstroWorld because  I listen to a lot of rappers but Astroworld is that one album you can listen to on repeat without any  skips everyone would agree on that uh personal albums yeah that's it that's about it without any  skip status yeah yeah.. Yeah I can get behind that I mean like I can't really commen

t on the whole uh EDM aspect but like still respectable man good [ __ ] I want to make it properly I mean I do EDM little bit I want to get into that fully.. Okay Yeah let's go bro bring it back.. Yeah yeah that's  what right so the people I was having this conversation with one of my friends, you you know Arush so I'll  like I love the whole 2010 to 2015 EDM scene right yeah Progressive Garrix Afrojack and  uh Arush and I we were talking and he was just telling me like "Yo actually it's dead 

bro just get into techno" I'm like "Hell no".. Okay that's not great from EDM to Techno hmm... And like I'd love to  make techno but I grew if I if I started making techno before I started making EDM I feel like  I'd be me cheating myself, at the end of the day depends on what kind of music I want to make yeah  but he was just [ __ ] on it he was like yo that sound is dead bro like I think "Dog no" like it you can come back anytime like to some extent You can agree on that  people don't be liste

ning to Hardwell uh and all the old guys anymore right.. Yeah.. So it has to  be brought back someone has all bring back these guys.. R3hab I was gonna say R3hab.. Exactly.. Garrix  people still listen to yeah.. Coz I think they're the G.O.A.T.S. ..Yeah one of the G.O.A.T.S. ... Tiesto bro.. Diplo.. I'm not a big Diplo fan but Tiesto for sure, Tiesto is up there.. I'll tell you what, I feel like on one hand yes EDM is very dead and I don't like EDM so I'll always have this part of me but I also

have another part of me that realizes  that the genre I'm listening to(Hip-Hop) will not be where it is wihout EDM.. Right.. I don't think music is where it is in the Trap scene without the EDM like influence.. For sure.. The revolution of  EDM like Skrillex with his Dubstep stuff bro like that set like uh like the soundscape changed.. It's set a whole new standard out there.. Exactly so like you know I still respect it I still respect it  so yeah that that's uh.. Yeah I was just watching one

of those videos Fred Again is too good I think he's  the next.. Oh Fred Again.. He's slowly on the rise to becoming the next G.O.A.T. ..Oh I see.. I mean  I don't listen to him that actively but he's very talented you can just tell from his stuff.. Okay..  Now uh I wanna bring it back to the talk shop a little bit, I wanted to ask you generally when  you let's say when you work with another artist Is there a certain criteria you look for like  where you're like I don't want to work with an artis

t who you know maybe talks about   certain stuff or like like there are artists who work a certain way you don't  you don't like that or anything of that sort.. Um no man most of the time they just got to be talented.. That's it.. I want to make sure they have their uh they respect everyone  who's working.. Oh yeah.. So whenever someone drops a song right any rapper you watch, I'll look them up I make  sure I go check their tag like their credits I make sure they tag like credit the videographer

s  the producers or mix engineers I feel like that goes a long way so to know that I mean I'm  not always looking at that first time when I'm working with someone like I want to work with  someone but I feel like that's one of the things then few things would be like nothing you can talk  with whatever you want but there are some artists who think like they're the [ __ ].. Oh yeah right like way too cocky, all talk no substance yeah.. Like you can't judge on Instagram again because  everyone com

es out the same right like people have to post a lot these days to sell themselves that's  fine but I don't look for anything like that particular this is the same thing everyone else  looks so they got to be really talented uh like all most of the time even if they're probably  not as talented but they can go somewhere right yeah I try to like definitely help them out and  get their full potential to some extent.. Okay now on let's say you finally get to work with an artist  you respect and li

ke who you want to to work with um now let's say the artist is you  know is whatever calibre like it doesn't matter what calibre they are doesn't matter what calibre  you are.. Are you the type of artist or like you know the producer who would want to let the artist  have complete freedom in what they're doing or would you try to pitch in how much ever help you  can or like I'm saying like in a micromanaging way.. Are you saying that I give them I try to dilute  the creative control? I wouldn't

say dilute I would I would say since okay you're the producer  right so being a producer you you'd want to look out for the best interest of the track.. Yeah  yeah.. Not the best interest of the artist because like the art is it's like it's like the artist  will have some specific things you want to talk about or maybe an extra verse or maybe  a specific flow yeah but you're just listening to it being a third person looking at it objectively and you're like no this may not stick.. Yeah..  Which

part would you lean more to? That's a very good question I'll tell you why, so most of the  time when I work with any rapper once I make the beat my job is done unless I'm  in the studio with you like we're cooking up here then we're writing together then I feel  like there's more room for us to be creatively involved now if I'm working with someone  remotely once I make the weight my job is done the rapper gets full creative control you and how  many layers you want, tags, but I will once I get

the demo back I will like give advice obviously  like now it could be the tone some of these people like you know the way they deliver certain  tones the flow will be on point like [ __ ] the flow will be too good but the tone might not  be nice so I'll give suggestions on that uh sometimes you know maybe you can bring in a female  vocalist make it sound more you know yeah.. Madhav do you remember the time when I was trying to record a song with  you and you saved the part where I messed up the

singing? We were working on a track called Villain  Phase do you remember? [Madhav: yeah] He came through in a part of the song where my singing wasn't good at that  point and we were trying to figure out bro how do we make this work and you know what Madhav came up  with, the G.O.A.T. that he is, bro added a Lo-Fi filter on that section alone and that and that and like  that segued back into of the Trap element of the song it's like.. Okay it made it sound better  right.. It made it sound bett

er because it but uh the focus is more on the aesthetic Lo-Fi part.. Yeah  yeah nice.. So yeah shout out to Madhav.. Exactly so getting back to the question if you know if you have people like  that who know what to do in those segments where like you feel like songs losing some energy or  something's happening that's perfect again why I leave or give as much creative room as I can to  the artist but again depends you know some artists will come back to me and be like you this is what  I wrote s

ome artists will only hit me up a day before the song's or like a week before the song  is gonna come out quite literally right so I can't help them there and like it's only recorded I can't  like exactly.. You'll take more of a flexible stance on the whole thing like you're willing to go both  ways where like depending on how the situation pans out you will be the type of guy who to  just let them do whatever they want to do yeah yeah like at the same time pitch in and like get  [ __ ] done if

you have to.. Again depends now if there's a rapper who knows what he's doing I'm not gonna go tell him sh-- I won't preach to him you know he's good for a reason there's someone like don't do  this do that.. Yeah yeah but like end of the day you don't have to take my my advice for it just go do  your own thing.. All right man yeah of course okay.. I really feel they want my once I make  the beat my job is done like even if the song comes out [ __ ] in my opinion but it's like the  best song in

the world for you like go ahead and do your thing dog.. Yeah of course.. A lot of people  like that yeah so yeah.. Okay okay I respect that.. Because music is very subjective even with my  friends we have like debates on all like this music Kanye for example uh people talking like he is [ __ ] now like anyone right there's like I've seen those debates within my friends, at the club  artists, singers people progressing right I see how dynamic the the reviews are.. the feedback so  when it comes

to my music I know it's got to be the same so I can't like tell you yeah this is  this has to go this way even you'd agree on that right.. I would no I certainly would.. We have to be open for  constructive criticism and like the worst form of it.. It's like when you take up something in terms of music it's like it's like bro you have to be as open like you just need to know where  to know when to say when you know pretty much yeah that's what I would say I agree with pretty  much everything th

at you said that's great and and uh you know as you're working with these  artists and you're making these beats for them What is your way of making sure the whole process  does not get repetitive you know? like let's say you're working on a beat and like you know maybe  I mean I'm saying this purely because I experience these things too where I was working and let's  say I'm working on a beat, I just like I was working on it to a point where I'm not able  to think about anything true like like

you know what's your way of like taking a break from it  and like coming back into it like you know how do you approach it are you like the type of  person who gets it done the second you get it? No breaks no breaks.. No breaks? No breaks, no breaks oh wait you mean like make a beat and then uh not feeling it I come back to it another day? Sure  you can even look at it that way I meant more in the sense of let's say you take a specific.. You're  talking about one session right one studio sessio

n sure yeah yeah... Yeah no breaks no breaks no  breaks no I feel like it'll break the flow no breaks of course we take like little break here  to just well not because of the songs like too loopy or repetitive never because I think when we make  music we make in such a way it's not that way oh this is only when I'm with my friends making music  obviously there are others I work with away from my creative control being that in person it may  sound loopy but.. and the hooks man hooks have to be..

Hooks are the name of the game.. and yeah yeah exactly  exactly.. It is what it is you know it's because like I've had my moments where like let's say I'm  working on a beat the flow is there that creative flow where you think you're on  top of the world that thing is there it's the best it's the best way [ __ ] exactly but what  happens to me is I get so involved in it after a point I'm not able to objectively think what  is what sounds best that's where.. Oh yeah that happens you obviously ha

ve to like pack  it up at the end of the day obviously yeah.. Yeah so that I mean that actually that's something  I deal with in like 80% of my beats 20% of the time is only when like I sit in I do it it's done  you know okay it's a very hit or miss thing... Okay so you let me guess yeah you have a lot of  Unfinished projects.. Yeah oh dude yeah yeah okay I mean like unfinished in terms of beats not in terms of songs.. Yeah yeah that's fine yeah it's fine so yeah man that was that was that and

uh... Madhav you got any questions? you just chilling there [Madhav: I'm just..] Madhav's getting really cozy bro, you still with us? [Madhav: just chilling  I'm still with you guys] yeah and uh hey okay so you know obviously you have a lot of other work  coming up and uh you know what would you say is one thing that like you're like a personal goal  of yours that you're trying to achieve with your next project? I love that question with my  next product the dash too so all is well I've been pro

ducing for others right because I mean sort  of situational because I was in a position where like oh I have an audience I still don't have an  audience as much if I'm being honest but for the longest it's producing for others uh still am to  this day but now I realize the importance of again you ask me a question about mistakes or advices  you can have an individual career where you just produce others but if you want to stand on  you have to release your own [ __ ] exactly like you make it onl

y you market it, you shoot the  video, you spend the money to promote it right so for the my goal for the next one so "Pick Your  Poison" I mean its not my song its all of ours me and my friends but I'm taking the initiative  with them to like okay this might be like I'm gonna be teasing it before the plan even rolls  out so touchwood you would but the plan is uh we get sponsors because all of us are broke right  uh broke enough to not like spend enough money because the song's very good yeah i

t cannot come  out with like a basic video of us sitting in a car it's just performing.. Oh no of course.. That should  come out nice get sponsors uh shoot the video um spend the money into ads uh goal wise make  sure that the song or like the songs that are coming after this will be what sets the standard  for R&B Trap in Chennai right I'm not saying in this particular this song there's a lot of  songs that we have so again you ask me about like if we take breaks now so this is how it is me and

  my friends we there are a few my friends to live close way to work on music uh a few guys will  be very far away so when we all need to work one night it'll be like four producers in the house  three rappers all under one from my room's like yeah that's about the size of this no it's not  like you know sound proof right and we've been blasting music my neighbors be complaining we  finished as many songs as we can one night so that again translates to what music you're  making and how we want t

o put it out because when it comes out we want to set the standard  right because like I want to establish myself as a producer as well.. So your main goal is to  pretty much expand the [ __ ] out pretty much yeah it's hard to get numbers yeah and I just finished  college so I'm trying to prove to my parents like I can make this full time like I've  done it to some extent but like you guys know how music revenue is not stable.. Because we're in  India bro.. You get paid like dog shit we're in a

very like weird market situation yeah yeah it's  so diverse everything's become a niche or like somewhat of a niche you know yeah it's tough  that way so I I understand your opinion yeah I understand your pain.. Each other's pain.. Each  other's pain yeah that sort of brings me into the next you know sort of like big big  topic I wanted to just talk about was like you know like speaking of how like the market is  very diverse these days what are your thoughts on how Tiktok has changed the music

I mean  game you know in the sense in the sense that I personally feel the second Tiktok came  the the the fact that a song has to be uh just base-catchy without being a good song  has taken over the fact it's like talent has gone down but like the what do you call it the  catchiness has gone up what are your thoughts on that? That's a very good question because  again it's a very grey area right? It's a very gray area.. Tiktok has helped to a good extent but  it's also made like [ __ ] rappers

blow up like Coi Leray.. There it is, there it is! A lot a lot of people um I don't know how to  answer them but the first answer would be music regardless is always catchy has to be catchy so  people pushing at an extra limit again it comes to so if you're making catchy [ __ ] it's  fine again the contributes to if you're making this much catchy [ __ ] are you this much  talented? is your talent this much and this is the catchy [ __ ] you're making right if it's on the  even scale it's fine yea

h the good yeah like dog [ __ ] and you're like making catchy [ __ ] which  is still good you know you're getting numbers you're proving haters wrong but how long will you  sustain your career? Correct yeah right because exactly you can't be a one-hit-wonder.. Yeah  exactly but there are also the problem with that is Tiktok also sends this unprecedented  uh sense of bar you know.. yeah because I personally feel let's say an artist  becomes big on Tiktok they make THAT one song I think that'll be

the end of their career because  I because that's the one song they'll be known for and the audience are not very receptive to new  stuff unless there's someone like Ice Spice and I have a theory low-key where I feel like Ice Spice  might be somewhat of an industry plant not gonna lie but like you know I'm not gonna lie I mean I'm  not trying to take shots here but I personally feel like the way the way her growth has been bro.. for her first EP is insane.. It's ridiculous I was going through t

he numbers in less than 15 months to 18 months she's top  50 in the world I think 18th. And she's touring with Taylor Swift.. oh yeah yeah yeah bro she's definitely an industry plant haha.. You see what I mean? We're not trying to take shots here we're just saying we're just looking at it for what it is.. Because you see her music's  really and great.. Exactly it's catchy it's catchy though it's catchy you see you see that's what  Tiktok is doing yeah it is catchy, to answer your question that

makes sense but like it you  gotta ride the way where you're gonna lose out on it me and yeah you know that is the only way like  no look at it this way right guys so tiktok got banned in India yeah what was the next thing that  popped up? in India? yeah.. Reels? it is exactly Instagram introduced reels I don't know if it's particular to India  right.. It's about pretty worldwide no reels was worldwide yeah you give my point yeah.. India's number one is  reels.. Yeah exactly India's number one

is reels so if India didn't have reels like if Instagram didn't  come with reels I'm not saying just for India what would we have done? what other platform  is there? Yeah.. Do you know any? with the standard good audience as much as Instagram  so people who caught on the deals very early they made it big I don't know but there is this one girl I think  Sakshi or something okay like she started doing heavy reels in few months like I think less than  a year she started doing commercials for Netf

lix if you're making like funny content but you get my point, you ride the wave you're on the top... So you're take on this whole thing is  like you know even though it's different and it has its own minuses and pluses and it's  necessary.. Yeah screw the minuses screw minuses because otherwise you're  just gonna become part of the group that's just complaining like what action are you taking? That is also very true.. You can think about it like we're talking about it now that's good we're  rec

eptive of it you can't stay lost in that.. Yeah yeah yeah yeah you just have to accept it for  what it is... Exactly yeah and we need it how else could we? I mean we could do the standard method of  like you know selling CDs or... CDs are dead bro exactly that whole method is not gonna be sustainable.. You can't go  in personally hey you could it will still work but reels like you pay 100 bucks or like 200 works  you're in front of a thousand people immediately and where else can you get them? o

kay like now  i was watching video about Gary Vee I think he was talking about how when you advertise your  music don't do it particularly like countries where there's already a very saturated  crowd where it's very expensive to do ads like take countries like somewhere in Africa  or like Indonesia where it's cheaper to get per thousand people how much it's gonna cost  you it doesn't matter if you're gonna use it Capitalizing on an untapped market.. Exactly which makes sense.. It makes sense at

the end of the day we need each other and the talent will  speak for itself ultimately yeah yeah That makes sense I agree I mean to be to  be very honest with you I would say that I was more on the complaining end not gonna lie, but you know  speaking about.. I was on complaining end too because now we're talking about music and Tiktok suppose we put Tiktok and we see other vulgar sh-- on the internet uh like We saw some funny memes yeah those are funny like  when we have seen the extremes yeah

so Tiktok as a whole is definitely toxic and hey like for  musicians we need it okay right so.. That is fair man like I like that you are seeing it for what  it is.. Yeah like me and my friends we talk a lot about like always can admit that we are addicted  to our phone to some extent now you.. I think to every extent.. to every extent I've said this  I did so for the long as I set a screen time not a screen like I knew I was watching  my screen time now I don't give a [ __ ] because I have to b

e on my phone like whether  it's music calls like emails it's a necessary evil.. Yeah okay yeah that's that's a great way  of putting it I I agree with it too like now I agree with it yeah before I was very uh  should I take it or.. yeah now that we're able to talk about it we're able to reinforce these  ideas and like accept it.. accept it yeah so Yeah you know that's that's great I agree  with you yeah it's necessary evil necessary evil.. Shout out to Tiktok .... The fact that I said shoutout

tiktok.. Like who am I lol.. this is completely out of context so I was  watching how Elon Musk just like took over Twitter right so I was just like googling and  like [ __ ] bought it for 44 billion dollars yeah.. so arguably the the most powerful man in the world.. one of them at least... one of them yeah He has access to a social media platform and  even Twitter to some extent all social media platforms are toxic like Twitter too is like  pretty [ __ ] yeah so.. It's just the nature of it.. E

xactly you know but people don't really  promote the music on Twitter that much like they do but what's better? Instagram always  what's better? exactly Facebook has cobwebs in them bro.. What are cobwebs? I just meant they're pretty old yeah I don't  use.. [Madhav: uh Twitter is just for people to talk [ __ ] ] Talk sh-- yeah now Instagram came up with threads  like oh what the [ __ ] Are you on threads? yeah? [Madhav: Is it that much of a mess?] No like it's fine it's just another platform but

like it's crazy like that all these companies everyone's doing so  much to just get people wired to their phones and to keep using social media yeah yeah it's  a sad it's very sad man that's very sad no as musicians we'll all agree that if if given a  choice to promote a music without social media we throw it away I think anyone would  want to throw social media where regardless but as musicians you know we are more inclined  towards art right and social media is not.. Social media is definitel

y not.. yeah.. Social media  is into like goofy stuff these days you know yeah it's like it's I think the best example  is probably will be Ice Spice all of her songs are to some extent goofy as [ __ ] I mean yeah  like even Cardi B Megan Thee Stallion.. Which one? WAP? They dropped another one no what's it called? Bongos.. It's called Bongos.. The beat has Bongos in it.. It's also a reference to you-know-what You didn't get that? You got Cardi B, Megan Thee Stallion what do you think the song's

gonna be about? Exactly... Hey sh-- now it's getting uh.. yeah it's the truth yeah it's not no no shame in it..  yeah yeah.. but but hey it is what it does it is now uh you know I think uh you know  we spoke about a good bunch of stuff, I would like to get to the final  part final part okay about that podcast is that.. um I don't feel like the final part game a little  too soon, but it's not.. Oh okay it's just that I wanted to talk about, because I was looking  at your profile on Instagram an

d I noticed this thing called Koji on your bio.. okay  okay on your bio would you like to talk about what it is? okay.. I'm not sure what.. this is a  secret sauce to everyone that is an artist or any business whatever right so you guys know  link tree yes right link tree is very good Koji happens to be the best in it because they cater  directly to all audience all sort of customers or the retailers.. it's like a One-Stop shop.. One  Stop I wouldn't say shop it's a One-Stop link to add everythi

ng you want so for me you have all my  my Beatstore my music whatever right they also have an interface or like a program where you  can sell you can set a shop through their link uh it collects massive data I don't think link tree  collects data where your clicks are coming from? how long they stay on it? each link how many clicks?  which country its receiving which country all of that.. and for me bro it's just too good  you guys have to get Koji.. okay so it's like if you guys don't know wha

t Koji or link tree  is it's a one link to all your other links it's all in action is one link so it just consolidates  everything everything into one link and it's it's too good so for me I'm gonna set up my shop  on that like selling beats yeah.. is Koji like a paid service? No its free, you can get a paid one and if you didn't know uh if you get  your friends to go on through it like a reference referral and if they start to spend on and you  get a little.. oh okay that's pretty sweet so you

can just make some money without even doing  anything.. yeah yeah.. don't worry I haven't made any money.. haha its not about money bro we're in it for the art, that's how I see it.. uh so you know how  you know what they say right? don't work for the money, work for the cause.. that like I told you know I lost that a little bit along  the way because like shit was bad at home like through covid [ __ ] was very bad so but eventually  I snapped out of it even an now I snapped out of it I'm not fo

cusing on details that much collabs  collabs but again you know some sustainability I'm doing a part-time job just to like cover up for  that so I can focus on the collab aspect rather than chase the beat sales and beat sales because  yeah but I teach people to make uh make beats Fiverr wow yeah yeah yeah okay yeah.. so basically  like your lines of making money in music is like teaching producing selling beats yeah mixing do  you offer mixing services? I just started like recently okay okay oka

y then what else like royalties yes like you gotta have like multiple streams of income.. that's great uh do you want to call it oh [ __ ] yeah now I'm  gonna miss this.. hey man.. it's my first day I'm playing so this feels good.. same same.. I didn't even realize an hour went by.. yeah exactly  exactly it's just you know that's what happens when you talk about what you love right ultimately  you just wanna you just want to talk.. okay let me ask you what made you want to get into music? oh  fo

r me yeah was it the heartbreak or just like I I think the way I look at music right for me  the most important part of music is for it to be an outlet.. a sort of like uh like personally if you  ask me I'm not someone who keeps up like you know how many people keep like journals for themselves?  talk about what they did in the day talk about what they're going through yeah like at the  personal journal I don't do that I have a very I have a certain sort of uh you know so I was I was  kind of ag

ainst.. just it's not for me I just don't write it I can't like you know I'm  not someone who is into like reading books or any of that sort so for me there's not a lot of outlets  that I have personally so the way I look at music is okay it's a very very personal thing where  I express things that I do that I feel like I'm unable to feel or unable to express out loud so  I put it out there and like also because of the fact that I just love beat making love beat making  it so it's so like especi

ally when I got got into sampling it just felt so satisfying I don't know  how to describe it you know and the thing is this is one of my core values as a person right? it's like my level of respect that I have  for an artist is through the roof because we are literally doing God's work bro yeah  we are creating! I had the same conversation with one of my friends.. you realize you can tap  into you can change time you can change realities you can you when you make music  to some extent you tap i

nto someone's life and you freeze it for yeah a while yeah  you're changing time.. yeah that's insane you're doing God's work.. exactly like recall the  number of times in your life where you know you're going through something horrible or great regardless of what that emotion is, when you add music to it it just amplifies it so much more yeah so much  more you know.. are you one of those guys who can't like go without music listening to music like  every day? oh hell yeah I mean like I need mus

ic bro.. every day.. I straight up need music.. yeah yeah.. like  so much so where like I remember when I was a kid and I was trying to study stuff, I would memorize things  in a musical pattern that's how it will stay in my head I can't read like I'm not someone who can  digest information that way like me personally is what I'm saying I think that's how fundamental  music has been with me okay so yeah well that's what I would say to me music is all about it's  it's literally all about self-ref

lection for me I get very personal in my songs I mean not no a lot  in terms of details more in terms of emotions you know okay talk about express how I feel because  just really like and you know express it in the best way that makes sense for the beat too because  you have to understand you know there's also the fact that it has to be listenable yeah because  if it isn't you're in the wrong business it is just what it is.. that's fine but ultimately you're doing what you love.. yeah exactly o

h yeah of course.. I'm gonna get  to that too like I just as producers you have an ability to sing to some extent because you  catch harmonies you catch them melodies yeah even lyrics right all the time yeah exactly and  I let bars fly over my head but I don't write them down so I'm gonna get to where you are yeah and  start writing recording.. dude trust me it's been like a [ __ ] long journey bro yeah.. I don't want  to start it but I I want to like I said.. no no but the thing is me being on

someone I'll tell you  this I'm notat some high level right I'll still say my writing is somewhat corny to some  extent but to me I don't really care how it looks because it's me.. it's you.. how can I hate on  me you know it's as fundamental as that so when I look at writing it's like bro just  just write whatever it is I whoever I deal with whoever I talk to when it comes to music I don't  try to tell them any sort of formula because it's not like I have a formula exactly the point is I  did

not have a formula yeah I just went for it. I literally just downloaded FL and I was like f--- it I'll figure it out on my own.. I've watched a couple Genius Deconstructed of producers breaking it down like TM88 breaking down Xo Tour Life, bro O.G. stuff. Back when Genius was still good. I think they're broke now, probably trying to sell the company.. What are your thoughts on Genius, Madhav? [Madhav: um well I've seen memes come out  of it] exactly you see right oh .. I know what memes you're t

alking  about Jetson yeah [Madhav: all the [ __ ] yeah] you put like two step hats right then he's  like yo I gave to my homie to sauce it up and the homie had like two  more.. [Madhav: Just funny out of context clips from Genius, yeah people parodied] But if genius wasn't that I think producers wouldn't have  understood beat making process.. they made that very transparent too yeah you know because like... there  were a lot of producers who were revealing their sauce they like few guys.. that'

s respectable.. that's completely understand yeah like Metro doesn't share his sh-- so yeah it's crazy though.. yeah man but that's what I would  say you know like it's it's it's it basically just comes down to the fact that you love what you  do, it's you you're doing you pretty much like that's that's the I think that's very very  important for me at least it's like you know it's it's about expression, it's about letting  out what you can't really let out to this you know sort of messed up wor

ld that we live in  you know sometimes music sometimes it becomes the only way that makes sense for me to communicate only..  communicate yeah.. it goes actually really deep bro it goes extremely deep and and the final main  thing is that I just absolutely just love beat making like I'd even give up being a writer but  I'll never give up being a beat maker that's one thing I live by till the end of my life because  like.. sorry what are you saying? what I meant was.. I could even think about giv

ing up writing but I  could never think about giving up beatmaking because I'm first and foremost a producer, then I'm a rapper that's how I would put it yeah but yeah.. I relate with that..  of course so yeah those are my you know that's that's what I think about music and life.. lit lit  damn! yeah stuff got a little deep in here but it's all good.. a little deep yeah no it's nice  I haven't spoken with [ __ ] like this in a long time yeah exactly I believe even the first time  we had a conver

sation we straight up talked about like stuff like this this music stuff you  know it feels very therapeutic too yeah yeah yeah We can't talk about this with an ordinary lad.. We can't just ask someone, "Hey you know TM88?" we can't do that  they really can't do that but it is what it is you know.. I'm glad I honestly got to talk..  thank you.. this is the best way to have a first meeting too.. yessir thank you for having me.. of course bro yeah you're welcome anytime to have another episode wit

h  us we'd love to have you after you make it.. Touchwood.. I'd love to make it but yeah yeah  eventually so yeah so that's the Music For Days Podcast guys.. tune in for  the next episode go subscribe go like the video and check out the next one yeah,  see ya... that was so bad horrible.. [Madhav: I'm leaving that in] You're leaving that in? F--- Mann oh sh-- i thought we'd do breaks and sh-- but we just went in.. Is it cut?