I love NASCAR because it is math
of 200 miles an hour [Music] I wasn't looking at the camera but I'm candy chaos
and I am Rick teresi and we are mildly interesting people which is why we always go through the
effort for you to find somebody more interesting to talk to because they're way more interesting
to listen to than Cami and I usually but this is me and it's me I was really throwing up
my grammar embarrassing English major I I can only write the English language I can't actually
spea
k it effectively uh and some would argue I can't even write it effectively so there's that
too why don't you introduce us to our guest this week Kimmy while she sits there uncomfortably
while you talk about her this is my favorite her and in this particular case I'm going back
to the old tried and true oh my God y'all this is one of my closest friends nice you have so many
close friends I do I am a very blessed individual it takes a village to keep Academy emotionally
healthy and stable and
Kate is there oh I said her name don't talk yet don't talk
yet you haven't been introduced yet I'm going to say that long long ago I used to have
another podcast and I recorded that podcast for a live studio audience and I did that from my home
unbeknownst to me kitty corner across the street was an amazing human who I would never meet
when we lived across the street from one another while I was doing that old podcast I
would only kind of Internet follow and and uh fan girl over until one
day I met her in
person and realized that she was every bit as awkward as I am and then love and so today
I would like to introduce to all of you be amazing the Magnificent be incredibly awkward the
ridiculously intelligent mathematician of my heart Kate artman hi Kate Hi Cami hi Rick hello welcome
hey thanks thanks for having me of course I gotta add in um I knew Rick and for reasons still
unknown for many years Rick didn't introduce us was he frightened I don't I don't know
why but um th
ere was a conversation I have a grand plan that is sometimes sometimes
characters don't need to meet at that point in the plot you have to let portions play out
otherwise you would have run into each other when you lived in the same neighborhood not in
the same neighborhood across them across each other I could see her front porch from my bedroom
window yeah see your house that's right because it was across the street not a problem to see your
house but um right there yeah no nope rope did
once confided me that he wasn't sure if it was
going to be amazing or horrible but that he did not feel that you and I would have a mild reaction
to one another yeah yeah um I could see that and that was that was accurate that's a legit either
yeah we'd either mesh well or we would be like enemies like competing mortal enemies
Immortal Enemies instead I love um you're really cool and you have
done a lot of really cool things it's got a variety of things what kind of variety
of things yeah
it's a weird kind of pie of not Pi nor p i e but a like a chart a pie chart
that's what it is a weird pie chart of things but I want to talk about first and then we
can move on to much more important things is the Cheerios oh my Lord the cherries tell us
about the Cheerios commercial yeah yeah yeah yeah um I don't like Cheerios which made this whole
thing even more just like difficult as a child but um the short of it is that as a child growing
up in New York I was a child actor and I did s
hitload of commercials and some other awesome
stuff but um and commercials that paid for college yeah awesome really awesome um but one of the
commercials and it played like every Saturday morning so if you were a kid in the 80s it was
probably like early 80s it went on so if you're a kid in the early 80s watching your Saturday
morning cartoons and the I believe the um like what do you call it the slogan The Branding slogan
at that time their tag was I cannot tell a lie I did it and um boy
let me tell you that doing that
commercial like 12 years old and a played all the time and then you're like right at that age of
going into junior high and you go to school and I'm an idiot and totally naive and so the boys
are going down the hallway saying I heard you did it I'm like yeah I did I did I did and yeah
kids are cruel but um yeah that probably paid for a good like half year of college so sweet I found
this out about the Cheerios commercial welding on your couch one day oh as yo
u shared with us the
Cheerios commercial had happened and I thought to myself I must have actually somehow absorbed the
existence of Kate at that very young age because I was the target Rich demographic you're a little
bit older than me and so like they would have been pumping those I remember the Cheerios commercials
that would have just been feeding them straight to me in my Saturday morning and I was only allowed
to eat Cheerios I wasn't allowed to eat sugared cereals Cheerios Rice Krisp
ies Shredded Wheat are
they only materials I was allowed to have and so I feel like we've been cosmically linked by your
Cheerios commercial and the rest of our lives but let me let me let Rick ask you at questions before
I died what I think is going to be a huge part of our conversation yeah well now I feel like I'm
holding things up but the I want you to win I I found it humorously when Cammy was describing
Cheerios commercials she was using words like feed and absorb and and consume and
things like it
so just interesting I'm a marketer's Target dream yeah I was I was I was seriously hoping it was
during the uh the unsinkable Taste of Cheerios time because that that jingle is stuck in my
head for so long not that one but do you remember um there was Duncan Hines it was like the dawn
of the cookies that were like that were shot like they said put them in your microwave or
your oven or something to make them even warm because they were soft and um yeah so I did a
series of D
uncan Hines crispy chewy commercials and those were all like crispy chewy crispy
chewy yummy yeah tastes great like your mom's does uh-huh yeah it's gonna be a child star
yeah exactly I'm so like what what what ended this like was it just the grind of being in
commercials was it that you just you weren't passionate about like what what took you off that
path it um well it was it kind of was one of those things where friends of my parents it started
with because friends of my parents I was S
pazzy and you know definitely like to perform but yet
I wasn't social at all and it was confusing for them so they're like she needs to do something and
friends of my parents their kid was had a manager or something and they're like let's have a little
kitty cry and my parents also came from you know theatrical backgrounds working in television
stuff and so uh yeah I got like my second commercialization for an orange crush commercial
and we shot it at Coney Island which I was like what so c
ool um I got this commercial I'm like
well this is fun and my mom said at that time when this isn't fun anymore you do not have to
do this which is unusual as I learned with most of these stage parent stage moms especially so
um yeah when I got to be about 15 16 I said this is not fun anymore because I want to be in school
and I wanted to hang out and and um yeah it wasn't and you know my parents weren't relying on it or
anything and and I you know I do regret certain bits I wish I'd gone b
ack to it after college
to try to do some stuff but um not a huge regret my life's been great so no bigs but yeah I just
told my mom I was like done and she's like okay and did you uh live in the city like where
where in New York no I grew up on the islands totally yeah let the accent go yeah if I've had
a few drinks I'll start talking like that but um but for the acting I had to not
have an accent sure so uh yeah lost that nice yeah do you think so you're a
very you're an anxious individu
al yeah you're an awkward anxious individual and I'm not
calling her out on something no I'm not like I'm like oh I just noticed she is this is this
is not anybody that's met me for five minutes it keeps moving and her hands keep going and
yeah that's the reason I'm so comfortable with her yeah I will never play poker because that's
his face yeah do you think that to some extent your experience as a child actress prepared you
for being super fake in uh business scenarios and like at cocktai
l parties and things where you
because I have watched you I I'm used to like all all normal like normal kid I'm used to full
borky right I'm used to Kate but I have also been at events with you and just like I you turn on
just like I do I'm like oh I am on now I will stop being that I'll deal with all those feelings later
do you think that was a beneficial part of your becoming a professional adult beneficials and
interesting words used for it I would ins in most situations I would say yes
it was absolutely
beneficial I have very much flip a switch um the only reason I pause
with beneficials because I don't think it was until I was well
into my 40s did I realize that I learned how to do all that when I was younger because I
had to and I also didn't know like I don't mean to sound deep I don't want this to sound deep forbid
but um um but it's definitely I mean like I have there was a period of time all of a sudden I
realized how much I was doing so I was kind of wanted to reb
el against it be like no this is how
I am like even when I would do work with startups and they would ask me to participate in pitches
you know going into Rick's realm of things and that scared the [ __ ] out of me to do stuff like
that because that is like I can memorize and I can perform and be somebody else or I can stand
at a Podium and read a script but doing one of those things where you go up and there's like no
monitor in your having to enthusiastically sell in front of an audience
hell no I need to
I need to either memorize a bunch of lines or preferably have my little thing on a podium
and smile and enter my I'm very calmly and just like charm and do all that yeah and then I can
like and then I go turtle turtle yeah for days so I'm gonna just making a note for you and I have
conversations later because I think that you and I did some more masking in our youth that wound up
delaying our understanding of our yeah um mental emotional development yep thank you thank you
that
was very helpful why are you leaving me out of that don't you think I did some masking to like
no I don't think you've ever stopped masking oh there's something you did some math excellent yeah
there are days there are days that Rick isn't even rip around me wow like there are days that Rick
is just on he will have like five meetings and he'll I'll talk to him between meetings and I am
having a conversation with a businessman oh with the coach with the go-getter guy but the man who
c
an do anything for you and communicate it to you properly and you're like who wants to support you
and I'm like don't use that voice at me that's not yeah but enough about me we invited
Our Guest um I just wrote a name in my notebook and I'm gonna draw a heart around
it nice speaking of speaking of formative years why don't you draw on his draw an ass
one of those cool s's with the lines in your notebook what yeah if you
guys don't know it kind of looks like a dollar sign the coolest s
of
all it's the coolest yes right I will I will have to find it and
I will I will add it in so that our guests are aware our listeners are
our guests and listeners ever everybody drew it on their notebooks in
like the 80s did it stand for you mean like that uh ask your question
I'm I'm gonna have to he's yeah he has to do something there okay um yeah I don't
know that all but I would say you could put like forever next to that like whatever
sweet and cool stay sweet and cool and the ease like
comes out of the back of the
numeral four oh I only went with it for um uh so Kate yeah you've done a lot of things
you started as a child actor sure you've done operations you have done so many different
numbers not surgical no oh no she doesn't operate on people why wouldn't no I would trust
you with a lot that's not one of the things I would have you do um blah blah blah you've done a
lot of really cool and interesting things but then over the last couple of years the last few years
yo
u went you know what I love math you'd always loved it it's not like you just figured out that
you love math but you figured out that you loved math and that you could make it understandable
and relatable for other people yeah and yeah talk to me about that process it's
actually about Kate loves math I would love to talk with you about Kate loves
math because Kate does love math um so number one how kooky is it that I woke up in the morning and
wrote like I wonder if katelovesmath.com is ta
ken and it wasn't so number one anything that you
love you should put your name loves and see if it's taken and make sure you have that
domain highly recommend because I was very surprised Tammy loves Kate oh wow awkward
I'm not gonna do that to me but I've said to people Kate loves math and like Kate loves
Matt who's Matt and I'm like no no no okay um basically the short of it for me is that
I was doing tons of organizational design work with lots of startups and different
tech companies
and design companies and I learned a great way to talk with
the creatives and Tech and get them to find a place to meet with people who have
no social skills and the people that do have social skills blanket statement but
my main Roland's Jenny here oh can you hear that rain because there's a skylight above me
can you hear the hail no um okay well cool um rain moisture okay so um so I realized squeak
though because I can't hear him squeak like a mouse oh I don't care no oh okay you realized
I realized that I was referring to mathematical Concepts in the organizational work I was doing
so I would talk with a tech person about why like a tech person who's thrown into a management
role and they're like I don't know what to do I got a raise and I got promoted and that's
great and that's what I wanted but that means I manage people now and no I don't like people
and so I would talk in math or technical terms and and humanize it to get them to understand
stuff to understand how yo
u communicate and you know when you I don't know talking about
just different theoretical stuff where um well I'm on the spot now so I can't think of
it too bad I understand uh but all that is to say is that I realized I was doing it so much
that I just kind of started writing it up and putting it into presentations I was doing for for
clients and like offering it as a tool and that was working and then I just started writing it
writing it especially during pandemic times when it was just l
ike get your creative out and so I
always like to write but I never really did any writing unless I had to and then I realized ooh
I really like writing and really the whole thing with Kate loves math is that it's just all these
essays about humanizing math and figuring out the why behind things happen it's describing this
why saying because of you know understanding that the word argument is not a bad thing in math
argument means that you are presenting a um you know you're presenting a ca
se for something and
you have two sides and if you're just one person you're just ranting because that's not an
argument that's just ranting but if it's two people or two sides of something arguments
are great because that gets this discussion of going back and forth and you kind of do this
whole proposition into a proof so anyway I've shortened all these things the main thing I want
to ask you to is when you hear the word math what's your reaction because this is where
I'm finding because
I love math night I don't assume everybody loves it but um when I say
I'm writing math essays most people say why and they kind of like recoil
so I'm kind of interested Rick so yeah I'm happy to start thank you for asking
I didn't realize we were getting interviewed on this but I'm curious to know to jump in no so uh
I was I was one of those kids in grade school that always took math a couple years ahead of where
they were grade wise and really enjoyed it then um and then reached I've move
d around
a lot as a kid and then uh reached one level where you had to take a test to decide
if you were still going to be advanced math or not and I missed the cut off by like 0.5 or 0.25
or something and after that I just I was like I don't like math anymore and what I did but what I
discovered I did was I I actually still liked math I just converted that appreciation for numeric
Cadence and equations into language as opposed to numbers so that like meter and Cadence and those
kind of th
ings I still love math but that's where it comes out for me not not in uh not in
numerical or equation right oriented things right um that's the most awesome answer I've gotten so
far so thanks Rick for being okay always cool um you actually had a really cool thoughtful answer
there and I'm not trying to interview I'm just curious to know all these when I gain these
opportunities to be like y'all smart people but but I know many smart people and many smart people
just recoil when they hear
the word math and so Cami do you have a response yeah I do mine is
very different math both stresses me out and calms me down so from a stress perspective it's
not something that I was good at when I was young I'm still not good at math um and that's very
discouraging I transpose letters and numbers and when you're transposing letters you can still kind
of make out a word when you're transposing numbers in equations it completely changes the context
of everything that you're doing uh and so
when I could say goodbye to yeah when I could say goodbye
to math I was like goodbye I am done with you um I don't need you it's not like I need
anything but as one of my coping mechanisms when I am unable to sleep or when I'm unable
to calm myself down I find I Rely heavily on um Division and multiplication tables because
they're so consistent and I don't have to say I don't have to see them right I don't have to
write them so I don't transpose anything and if I can just go through the mu
ltiplication
and division tables in my head it helps calm me down because I'm not focusing on something
else um so it is very much also something that completely freaks me out because I really gave up
like with the when I started I got to the level I had to go was like algebra that's where I had to
get to and then they were like yeah you're fine um and it was a struggle for me I don't like
struggling I hate struggling no so but I but yeah there's this strange calmness
to it because it's no
t subjective right right well that that raises something for me
a question for our guest actually which is weird things I know strange very strange to do that but
interviewed him trying something new here uh the your appreciation in the manifestation of Your
Love of math comes through in mathematical ways and and at times language explanatory things about
math have you ever noticed that love manifesting itself in a different way like were you musical
or are there things you do where you're
like this is a physical expression no matter like
does it influence your life in other ways yeah it totally does I mean I've found again
those things happen when you get older you start realizing oh that's why that and that's
why I did that and that's why I didn't like that for me math was never about arithmetic
it was more it's and still isn't and I still you know I'll play Uno with people and they'll say
okay you know Kate what's the score at you know add up the cards I'm like I'm not a m
ath Savon I
don't I mean YouTube It's Gonna add it up it's why no my love of math is just is all the concepts
about it so yes I love music and I sing and um the math behind Harmony is amazing because
it's all about individuality and it's different from sync which is about coming together and
syncing up in this like these rhythms just all of a sudden coming together and syncing whereas
with Harmony I always talk about having Harmony on teams when you're building teams at work
because it's a
bout having this beautiful sounding group but everybody's individual and they're
complementary in the sound is works for them as well as for the people that they're doing
work for so that is exactly why when someone leaves a team it's like well we hired another
project manager I'm like yeah but are they do they sing in that same exact note that's why
you know they may not so therefore that's why they're not harmonious it's not just because they
you know they checked all the boxes of what a
project manager needs to do it's like there's that
independent kind of thing about it so definitely with math I'm done with math definitely with the
music and and uh baseball I love baseball and yeah oh there's that too I
got back to doing scoring for um for baseball games over pandemic times uh and
it's like this beautiful photo of a game I love going back and looking at all the just like
just how everything worked I'm so excited for this new season without the shift that's all
the discus
sion um Sports uh and then as Cami said the reason I got into NASCAR because I love
NASCAR because it is math of 200 miles an hour that is why it is fascinating to me how each
track is different the banking is different the length of the track is different uh it's
not as big a deal about fuel mileage anymore but it you know used to be where they really had
to like if I could go back and I didn't take any math past trigonometry I didn't take calculus
or anything of that sort it's all just st
uff I read um I would absolutely I would love to be
an engineer wish I could have worked for like a NASCAR team or really any Motorsports team
and been that one that weirdo trying to figure out how much gas left in the tank because you
know there's no fuel gauges on a uh on a NASCAR the drivers don't know how much gas they've left
right nor do they have on their um uh speedometer go faster than the other
guy and don't run out of gas well well it's also don't run out of gas
one could be har
d if you don't know how much freaking gas you have that's where your team
is they just top them off every time though and going up in the banking to tip that you
know fuel back in yeah just that last little drip a little bit just a little bit I'd also
like to highlight there's the math of a bunch of numbers running around in a circle with NASCAR
there's just like threes and twenties and eights and twelves wow flying all over the place wow
math in action it's math math movement it's a move o
kay you gotta come up with something for
that wow no one has ever said that to me I've never heard that so once again Rick I point out
the patently obvious it's just kind of what I do thanks check what else you got Rick I will be honest
I asked Kate questions at all the time I will wake up in the middle of the night and text
questions and I won't send them I'll just type them in the text box so that I can send them
at a decent hour so I'm really interested in what you have to ask Kate becau
se I know you
did some research okay I love how you're like I ask Kate questions all the time and I'm like
isn't that what this format is designed to do well I'm saying I always get to ask for
questions I want to witness you asking I wanna I want your mind well this is the
little crevices of Kate's mind you're doing it I'm telling you to keep doing it oh now now
there's pressure to do it I'm not going to be able to do it no um so this is one thing and it
was really weird and I'm I was doin
g some research and does the movie pop ring any bells
for you this is so weird oh my gosh no um yeah screwball comedy about two physicists
and a girl from art it's um Independent films made important during that amazing 1999 when like Fight
Club and all those other things came out like where could we find that movie is it streaming
anywhere I don't think it's streaming I don't okay I was so excited when we got to DVD
I was the girl from Mars if that wasn't that was yeah when we got when we
got to do film festivals and got it sold it I remember their name Indie DVD
something very creative named like that do you have a copy of this DVD somewhere
we do okay I I of course have to say that my husband directed it and wrote it so yeah
but nobody knew we were dating at the time there's some there's some retired HR
people somewhere who are like what I don't know damn it on the set when we agency when we were people did not know we were
dating and I mean it's the whole thing of like p
eople must have known but it was like you're in
your 20s everybody hangs out in groups always we always hung out whatever um but we decided we want
to move in together and so they have to check your you know your your you know that your the other
job actually oh right and you are we're the same manager we were in the same Department I was the
producer and he was uh was director and writer and um yeah and we knew that we have been hiding it
so well because we were sitting in his office his n
ame is Brad and we were sitting in Brad's
office and we said we have something to tell you and he's like oh no you know it's like.com stuff
and he's like someone else off you something you guys leaving what's going on and like no no no
we love working here um but uh we are going to move in together and you're going to get need to
you're gonna get a phone call asking we both put you down and saying that you know you need
to confirm that we work here and it was at the moment we knew that we w
ere cool because like
you didn't know because he said oh you're getting like a big house like a bunch of people moving in
oh my God you know people's Kevin moving in like naming other people at work and we're just like
no just two of us moving into a place together one bedroom drink his coffee and he'd look down
he's looking around he's like we've just we have to tell HR just like you said which we did and
we're like and I guess they didn't care so I've never had to report to HR a romantic
relationship
what is that like it was a small agency and they didn't you know small local agencies so they
I think if it had been like some bigger deal there would have been something stating you
can't do that but strangely there's like I know at least five couples still together
today that came out of that agency it was a very loving agency it was a little
Matchmaker agency it's like yeah it's like Wyden and Kennedy that they refer to as
wedding wedding in Canada yeah um so another thank
you for that trip down memory lane and I
will make it my mission to track down that DVD what one thing I've always been curious about with
you again maybe potentially because of also the path of your husband but you're
a voracious reader constant learner has that ever translated into [Music] wanting to
teach or educate others or is that just for you no no I mean that would be like no no no no I no just no I that's you have to like lesson
plans or standing up in front of people and being hmm
talk about flipping a switch pretending
you're very interested in their opinion oh I am a horrible person I can't believe I just said
that but but I mean I don't have like if I am I mean it's like being forced to be I mean
I'm curious I'm always curious about this right I wanted I want to know the why Always
I'm on the butt why girl I'm that annoying kid it's like but why but why and um still am
and yeah no just no it just sounds horrible yeah yeah I'm horrible I I would now I
think I thi
nk my role part of my job is somewhat borderline educationally mentoring
kind of stuff but it's not borderline but it's to K to Kate's Point like my concern
has always been I hate repetition and if I have to say the same thing over and over and over to
different people all day every day like that that has never been terribly appealing to me no no and
it's this Pro and it's yeah it's that it probably is exactly out that repetitiveness of doing the
same like lesson plan all the time if you're
saying lesson plan like I don't like to prep
for anything I do I do I'm big on prepping but I don't know say in front of a bunch of kids
and they're like staring at you is being small kids or grown-up kids whatever but just you know
like the expectation of tell me something I don't know teach me things I paid for this yeah I think
tell me stuff oh my God you know no thank you so you've had a series of different kinds of careers
teaching is obviously not going to be one of them what's next
like are you like deeply implanted
in Kate loves math or is there something is there another and by career I don't mean like what you
do to make money I mean what you do to spend your time um what you do to pursue those creative
Sparks uh that you're so curious about I mean right now the Kate loves math stuff is new enough
that I can't quite see past it excuse me um I um I've so I I love the writing that I'm doing I'm
enjoying I'm enjoying the act of it which is I didn't expect to love it t
his much and going
back and like you're both writers you both like do go back to the stuff that you wrote a year ago
two years ago whatever just kind of come upon it and look at and say that's good or like yeah
like I have those moments where I forgot that I wrote that I know you do Rick I know
you do yeah that I forget all the time yeah I remember writing this but this is this
is interesting and sometimes I need that space in order to identify that something's good I
have to forget that I
wrote it yeah in order to go back and look at it and be like okay
yeah although I will also In fairness I have Avail myself of Rick's editing Services
sometimes in my personal writing okay and uh I am going to say that as a writer you can be as
talented as anyone having a good editor makes you sound so much more if you have the right editor
not only is the writing improved but it sounds more like you uh-huh because if they understand
your tone and your voice and they understand what you're
driving at and they understand
the associations that you make with things um it makes it really magical so sometimes I'll
go back and read a piece of writing I'm like did I is this good because I wrote it or
is it good because it's good editing I've never had a pleasure of an editor and I
would love to have the pleasure of an editor at some point perhaps in the future spoilers yeah
I'm just saying I don't I don't foresee you not getting an editor I'm wrapping this all up in
a beautiful bo
ok bundle and really and I have here your publishing contract hey galleys galleys
are already on their way I look forward to your proofreading yeah excellent so you never thought
I want to be a writer until you were a writer you just became a writer yeah yeah I mean I mean
like did you ever think I want to be an animation no I never thought I wanted a company 3D
animation I 15 years I owned a 3D animation company and couldn't couldn't make a 3D box for
you I've never learned the animation p
art but I wasn't supposed to I was the he flipped the
switch and be like hi do you know how you can use 3D animation to promote your product let me
tell you I do I do and then I can't this weird thing called ethnographic animation I don't know
whatever um but yeah animation never again it's kind of like the math thing where people
play a game of Uno and they're like Kate will add up the score she'll add up in her head
because she loves math like no not arithmetic um new like again like in t
he early odds or when
all the so many animated movies when they would come out it was kind of a big deal when they
would come to theater and be you know wasn't so there weren't so many studios yet and uh yeah a
new film will come out and I would just guarantee the next two weeks people be like did you go
see the new whatever Pixar film this weekend I'm like oh no it's like going to work why am I
I don't need to go do that and you know everybody who worked with me or we would do field trips
and
we would go see it then in that way because they were were our creators and Technical directors
and stuff like that and they did love that craft they went into that business but I went into that
business because I saw the opportunity of what you could do with 3D animation in commercial
products and in marketing and stuff like that sounds like I had one off of that um the so we we have similar backgrounds
in in some regards um do you did you take any of that experience of working
in an
agency either positive or negative and use that for the formation and management of
your own company I ask because I have both worked in agencies and started my own agency and
completely different like I had a oh I work in an agency never influenced the way I ran the agency
wow because I'm just like yeah of course I did how did it no I don't know how to ask that
question back to you how did it not because to me it's like all the because I'm on the
organizational side maybe that's it when pr
ofessionally I did not do I am a good creative
interpreter and I am creative in the mind but not with the hands and like no drawing and no I was
never a director I'm like I'm always producer side of things I'm the organizer I make the
big plans I love all that stuff and I can again understand it enough to know what
the creatives need but I don't do that so um yeah I poured it over a lot of stuff from
agency land into Studio land yeah interesting interesting that you didn't I know I'm not
i
nterviewing you but but I wanna know or we could talk about it later yeah there are very
there was just it was they were very different roles I was producing yeah stuff yeah like
creatively producing stuff and the other was like it flip-flopped in to run the business and get
the stuff done when you have time to do the stuff and they just they were too totally separate
that would be yeah so I was always going to be the client facing again that that interpreter
between the team the internal a
nd the external um yeah certainly I always feel bad for the
creatives or like a creative directors like I'm going to start my own agency or or something
parallel because all of a sudden they're like why do I have I'm in I don't get to do the cool stuff
anymore or like I have that's the prettiest years and I would find him like hiding in the server
room connecting things and be like this needs to be fixed now I'm like no no no I need you to
go prep for the client meeting and he's like but I
know how to do this and this is what I
started this company for so I could do this and do it the way that I know that it should be
done as opposed to the way people were telling me it should be done and I like being here doing
this I'm like yeah but you're the head of so you need to go now to meeting and you need to manage
people and back to people who get put into these positions to manage people when really they
can barely manage themselves yeah I think you just answered the question as t
o why Rick he
didn't use what he learned in agencies right I think I started his own business exactly it uh
instead of asking something I'm just going to acknowledge the path that I was going to go down
and say that I strongly believe that the reason that you have had so many different iterations of
Kate is that strong sense of curiosity and Whimsy um that just allows you to keep pursuing
everything that you love and keep questioning what else is there and it's something that I find
amazin
g about Doom thanks and now yeah oh God and with that and with that we're done are you ready
no it's time for the lightning round it's time for five mildly interesting questions for my darling
friend Kate are you ready I'm a slow thinker so am I it's okay you can do it you take you take
all the things people edit it if we need to yeah okay and you can I'm just putting my nose in the
microphone it comforts me there you go perfect the um the other thing just so you know like
if you really vap
or lock and you need to pass yeah you're welcome to pass but we will come
back to the question you can't avoid the question I see I think and don't feel bad about passing I
have passed I think one time I passed three times on five questions so okay you're the safe space
safe space right like to tighten my [ __ ] bow okay it's very exciting okay Kate artman yeah
what is your favorite but least useful Hobby for activity interest yeah yeah hobby activities I I want to say making spreadsheets fo
r everything
in my life but I find it useful but it's I have amazing spreadsheet for the genes
that fit me in the genes that don't yeah but I think I think maybe it's extra but I think maybe the geekiness and enjoyment of
it it far outweighs the possible utility of why you would need a spreadsheet for all your dreams
but there's drop downs and there's it's color coated but next time we're together will you show
me this because I need to see it it's it's so cool but yes I think that counts I
think it's got no
wrong answers there are no wrong answers here okay all right would you like to survive the zombie
apocalypse yeah totally you have the you have the garage for it yeah yeah pandemic garage a
bodega Kate would be a very early pick for my Zombie Apocalypse Team just saying thanks um
as would your partner because uh he makes sure that we remain hydrated at all times and that man
came first the hot dog lunch like nobody so yeah all right anybody's lucky yeah yep hydration
wha
t is the last food that you photographed oh um thinking peacock puzzles don't because that's
not something that's a wonderful puzzle though um maybe it's really it's wild it's
okay that's not what we're talking about insane the last food that I photographed [Music] I put my nose back on the microphone yeah I'll put mine on the book in solidarity okay I mean it's obviously a pass right now because
I'm just ticking through each day you don't need to watch me do that what's the best
season well
does does somebody not say fall there are people who have not said while
someone said winter someone else said summer because allergies magnets are stickers stickers 20 and now I invite you to pick up your
phone if you'd like and look at it because it might tell you the answer so what is the last
food you photographed oh that's a cream [Music] I gotta put my old lady glasses on yes the
cutest old lady glasses no lady okay okay photos um [Music] I'm trying to remember Kate's Instagram to be
like is there something she doesn't usually post food on Instagram see this is why I've seen
her photograph food in restaurants and bars but I've never yeah if you were like everything on
my plates usually like brown and it's like cheese and rice or something I want cheese okay let's
see nope that's a what it counts I don't know anything yeah any food any food you don't have
to have made it I don't even know what this is do I just kiss just hold it up lights like
you can't really see I hav
e no idea I have no idea but I do know now it is um is
that St Jack and it was a delightful oh salad it was like a mushroom pastry
deliciousness that had a little egg on top like three weeks ago so yeah I don't really
photograph food fine can you survived the gauntlet of the five questions oh my God thank you all
you've sat through an interview with us and asked us almost as many questions as we ask you because
I'm true you put your nose on the microphone yeah it's comforting it is comforti
ng to have
your number right is there anything that you would like to share with our lovely listeners
and viewers before we send you on your way um stay curious y'all don't give up because
there's always a reason there's always there's always well you know what I'm gonna say my very
favorite word is go and the reason why my very favorite word to go is because you can choose
to participate you can go forward move ahead you can tell people to go away but you always have
that choice so just l
ike go is that why you have the one go tattooed on you that is why I have the
word go tattoo tattooed on me yes it is yes it is um and then obviously katelovesmath.com please
go go link it up link it up go works again just oh all right Kate thank you so much for joining us
um the loveliest time thanks a lot appreciate you both you always make me smile until my cheeks hurt
so keep it up baby thanks love [Music] foreign
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