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ppening crane dog ah i'm so all right so i spent some time aligning my mana cheese and and organizing my thoughts and doing that and getting ready for the the the big draft day upon us yes and during this this entire time the league continued to turn sean and i came back and it was almost like i didn't miss anything two here we go let's go nba finals adjusted spreads let's make some money like sands through the hourglass so are the days of our league and in this edition of the days of our league
scott foster remains undefeated in all the games in the last 11 consecutive playoff games where scott foster has been the referee chris paul he hasn't won some say there's some bad blood there between those two divas that is that was just when i saw i mean i was already going to be on the bucks but when i saw he was reffing it was just like all right easy money and i hope you got on that adjusted spread because it it it like they always do a five-point game becomes a 20-point game you can get t
wo three to one on your money sean i mean the nba is just an easy money league it's like betting on the bachelor i don't mean to be offensive to those who like the bachelor no if my wife listened to the show she would be super offended ryan of course we're talking hoops talking the association man hopefully people have been listening to our nba picks because they've been red-hot hopefully people are doing what we've been doing heading over to win bet.com b e w-y-n-n-b-e-t dot c o m get head over
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hoops one of the hosts of the nba gambling podcast and the mlb gambling podcast and a writer over at sportsgamelandpodcast.com so many apps does it all for the network a true champion of sgpn moon of manji moon off i i see you in the uh zoom video screen and i see your eyes all over the place because you're also watching the home run derby while helping us grind out game four thank you for joining us what are you sweating out on the derby i just got underway uh trey mancini just finished his fir
st uh they're in the first round he just i think he hit 24. um and now matt olson's about to start i did have matt olson to beat him in a first round matchup so i'm gonna need some uh some magic here from uh matt olson 25 is a tough number hopefully hopefully you uh catch that uh get a little heat there well and uh of course nba finals it's uh 2-1 right now heading into game four a little update we did uh tweet out all the uh people that are alive in our nba free roll contest and of course you c
an we're giving away a thousand bucks basically to whoever nails the team and the number of games uh in the finals so um right now there's a there's a decently long list of people who are on the bucks and sons and either to win in five six or seven so again head over to our twitter gambling podcast to see the full list if you're in the mix trying to give away a thousand bucks and well we will someone will be the closest i still think i still think sons and six i'm sticking with that where have y
ou gone moon off with the series have you adjusted your thoughts i mean even as a guy who likes suns and six this was a game i thought milwaukee was going to win and obviously they had to win yan is coming up huge and essentially a more or less elimination game have you changed your thoughts on the series no i i when i did the preview over on our website um i did pick phoenix in six also and i'm sticking by it uh still i think um the league wants this to be extended right especially with this we
ek with not many sports going on all eyes are going to be on the nba finals so they got to get those ratings up they got to collect that money so um i think i know we'll get into game four in a little bit but i i think phoenix is still the superior team uh against the milwaukee bucks well i mean that this is the nba all right they deployed what did they do they deployed the uh the cooler they yeah they brought in scott foster and again it's hilarious because like even the mainstream media now kn
ows the scott foster narrative i saw our buddy kendrick perkins who i mean shout out to kendrick perkins and his agent because that guy i feel like is on every show now every time i turn on and he's got he's got a giant beard he's like he takes up a lot of the screen he's got some good takes but he was he wanted to get out in front of the scott foster narrative of saying hey let's be real this was about the bucks playing better and they did but still come on there's got to be something in that s
cott foster narrative it did the refs didn't matter in game three but it was funny that even like a mainstream guy like kendrick perkins is already aware of the scott foster narrative and didn't want to discredit the uh the bucks win at all by saying it was scott foster well i mean look you can start doing a little bit of layman's research i mean what was the free throw count yeah okay so maybe they didn't matter in the game but usually when a team needs to win or when the league needs the team
to win suddenly they're taking a lot of free throws and that becomes a narrative right uh monty williams smart guy getting ahead of that narrative calling it out right away like whoa well and now the nba is like oh [ __ ] people are going to be looking for this so we got to calm this down a little bit look they ended up with phoenix milwaukee yeah we we talked about what would happen if this was the case it has to go long it has to go all the way i think because the nba is like [ __ ] we sold a
lot of we sold a lot of stuff and i don't think we're getting those impressions and taco bell shout out to taco bell but they're doing that if the team comes back from halftime you get free tacos and i was sitting on milwaukee minus four so i thought i'd be in a spot of you know sons come back and then i would but then i realized like oh man i i you know i gotta i want to find this hedge spot of if they if i lose my bet i still get the free tacos because i was doing the math and like wait if son
s lose by three then i i lose my vet and i don't get free tacos they really need to factor in a second half line here taco bell and i should be getting some free taco bell just for bringing this up um you br you you mentioned the free throws ryan and uh sun's shot 16 to milwaukee's 26. but if you look at it even closer sons were getting a lot of the late caught a lot of calls late and to the point that booker was caught on mike saying to the ref something like we don't need these calls now like
the game's over with a couple of minutes left which is pretty funny why do they make those calls late yeah so that when you look at the sat lines it doesn't look as bad um reffing aside i mean shout out to giannis it did it did feel like game three uh last night kind of stepped into another you know another stratosphere almost 41 12 and 6. he's only the second player in nba history to record back-to-back games of 40-plus points and 10 rebounds in the finals he's actually had more 40-point games
in the finals than kevin durant steph curry kobe bryant tim duncan larry bird carl malone kareem abdul-jabbar wilt chamberlain um that being said i still don't think giannis is enough to kind of carry the uh the bucks to a series win i mean munoz if we're wrong and the bucks end up winning this series what do you think has to happen from milwaukee's point of view for i mean holiday had a big game quietly 21 5 and 9. uh and i think you know obviously giannis has been playing pretty good throughou
t the series but um what do you think has to happen for the bucks to be able to walk away here with a w danny scott foster for every single game i like that no um obviously it's got to start with chris middleton and drew holiday right jew holiday had a better game last night after absolute stinkers in game one and two uh he came out and shot the ball well last night too like you said 21 points he was five of 10 from three-point land eight of 14 from the floor overall so that's what they're gonna
need i think they're also gonna need chris milton to step up he's gonna have to score a minimum of 20 points um to really help out this buck's um offense to kind of take that pressure off of giannis i mean giannis is getting whatever he wants inside the paint if you look at his shot chart they have no answer for him inside and like we talked about on our nba gambling podcast is that the front court of the phoenix suns is kind of thinning up now with dario sarge out with a torn acl and last nigh
t they put deandre eaton in foul trouble early on much to do with scott foster of course but and that's the sneaky way that they can impact a game is the two quick fouls early because then if you look at the stats you're like oh i i it doesn't jump out at you but two quick fouls early really especially for a big man like eight and really restricts your minutes and that's that's the way hypothetically if you're looking to adjust the outcome or kind of you know move the ball a little bit to one si
de that's how you do it right exactly and we saw that the victim last night was the under aidan for uh for the phoenix sun so uh but going forward obviously you're not going to have scott foss scott foster there so i'm looking for those two guys chris middleton and drew holliday to really step up uh if they're gonna have a chance to get back in the series or possibly even try to win it yeah i mean i i i don't know i think i mean again right like what happened in the series the teams have won at
home what do we say about a series doesn't start ryan until until a road team gets a victory and and i i guess if i was building a case for a bucks or if i was a bucks fan i would hold out under the hope that they're eight and one so far in the postseason at home so maybe there is a world where they can uh where they can get things done and and kind of keep um you know keep this momentum up it actually brings us to uh shout out to prop swap head over to propswap.com and you know write basically
what we're talking about uh last week a prop swap customer sold a 500.00 40 to 1 sons championship ticket for 16 000 after the suns went up 2-0 in the finals 30 x return so you know did pretty good on it he almost got the full 40. and now um he basically sold it for minus 400 when if you wanted to get down on that game it's it was minus 500 everywhere else if you were just to buy that and now that guy looks like a genius because after the bucks won i'm sure ryan do you have what the uh win has t
he adjusted price at for the series yeah the bucks are still two to one and i think yeah so suns are down to minus 265. so that guy sold at the exact right time again that's why you want to use propswap.com and use that promo code sgp uh get 500 uh bonus on your on your first deposit promo code sgp at propswap.com taking that point a little further though i mean what has happened in the series home teams have won the favorites have won and yet the price has gone from milwaukee plus 165 to milwau
kee plus 205. and if anything you could argue that milwaukee is kind of trending in the right direction where maybe phoenix isn't so you look you mentioned it but milwaukee has only lost one game at home this post season a game to an atlanta team that gave they were feisty right they came out three point win and and and kudos to them but again i don't see why the bucks are two to one on the series price right now love phoenix happy for the city i think happy for uh rich fat baby mckee seems like
arizona sports maybe trending back in the right direction but i i think this is going to turn into a three-game series and that's that and i think any way you can get money that this is going to go long that this is going to be a series that we're going to get as many games as possible i like the phoenix in six angle because it does seem like it would be really [ __ ] up if phoenix doesn't win the championship somehow i do feel like they're the team that deserves it more and last thing i'll say
because you you still say one thing that kind of caught me off guard sean did you say kobe bryant has less 40 point games in the finals than giannis yeah uh let me let me pull up the notes but yeah he was cause that's the only he was in there that's the ultimate kobe hater line like look dude that was mostly shaq bro that was mostly shaq you're looking to throw shade at kobe just say giannis has more 40 point games than cody that's a shocking uh that blew my kevin durant not shocking he just jo
ined super teams um but yeah i don't know and i think you know back to what was the spread for game three sean i was box minus four bucks minus four and what was the final game 20 point game so i think if you're going to play the bucks in this one you absolutely head over to those adjusted point spreads yeah and you know i don't know what kind of gambler you might be sean but i i'd be happy to sit in that two to one range bucks minus nine and a half plus two hundred mm-hmm uh and you know you wa
nna keep going why not uh the biggest juice we can get so this is game four you're loading up on bucks yeah i think we're gonna we're gonna level up it's gonna give the the nba a nice guarantee of getting through the weekend into another week of nba basketball being on the forefront right more nba content where we can talk about how charles barkley can play golf now yeah better and shout out to uh larry the cable guy friend of the program put up a pretty good number larry the cable guy one of th
e shots of the tournament holding a shot over the bunker like nailed it bro sorry we're getting off on celebrity golf if you want to have fun bucks minus 14 and a half is plus 400 wow ryan you're going you're going crazy on bucks so milwaukee minus 14 and a half at what i'm saying if you wanted to go crazy you can get that at four to one okay well and and and just kind of coming back to the futures and you said extending the series i know you're off the grid right but uh one of my uh one of my b
ets for the nba finals over you rarely remind me when you're doing well on a bet john over five and a half games minus 175 that i mean again that felt like easy money sun's in six i'm still looking at feeling decent at plus 450 i of course hit my game one uh bet and uh phoenix minus one and a half i still feel good about that but what about the uh nba finals mvp market again not to self-taught too much but uh on the show we we were all over or at least me i gave out chris paul as high as as 25 t
o one uh maybe even 30 to one when we went like after game two of that nugget series i gave out chris paul mvp because the the suns were plus 900 and he was 2500 it made no sense where are we at with the the finals mvp i know he they lost game three but it still feels like it's chris paul's uh trophy to lose right now would you agree moon off yeah and if sun's yeah i mean we've take a look at what devin booker didn't do last game i think chris paul has pretty much pretty much locked this uh awar
d up devin booker 3 of 14 107 from 3.0 any only ten points so you know just based on that chris paul if the suns go on to win he has locked up and the in the books are kind of indicating that i'm seeing that he's all the way up to minus 250 for finals right now yeah and giannis matches the bucks money line for for those wondering so well and that was another uh angle that we kind of had on the finals there was a there was a decent discrepancy between i i think giannis was like plus 350 uh for fi
nals mvp uh moon off do you were i mean buck's series was like plus 165 he was like three or four to one depending on where he got it and that just seemed crazy to me who would you think is is kind of second right now in the finals mvp race i guess maybe it would be giannis assuming they end up winning the series yeah it has to be honest right i mean back to back 40 point games it's only been like you mentioned it's only been this is the second time it's been done in the nba finals history so i
think that would be the guy as far as first phoenix um there's not much there i mean yeah but it's chris paul's award to lose yeah and booker was actually favored even above chris paul coming into the finals which to me was just crazy uh it made no sense like they're gonna give it to a veteran guy like chris paul and his his mid-range jumper even even in the loss he was still shooting really well and and looked really efficient it just shows you how much like chalk public money comes in on these
these types of futures markets people well i think the young kids they like them some devin booker well i think if you just apply like the basic logic you might use for fantasy like how many versions of this season end up with him do outperforming versus not and i think you know the booker scenario involved him just scoring a [ __ ] ton of points every game so the second he had a down game it's like boom that's out chris paul just has to be on the winning team in a lot of the versions where the
y where he wins it he just has to be healthy and so yeah i i mean i saw it all over social media sean i couldn't believe it just the twitter sphere is catching catching the the same heater that sean uh nba sean is with these [ __ ] well and even future's picks jesus even to start the series though and again kind of coming back to what we hit on in the nba finals show sons or minus 200 but paul was still plus 175 like i i i mean you know as a as a market manipulator it just was screaming value to
me and it's it's kind of crazy they didn't see that coming all right moving to the game four kicking off uh july 13th aka tomorrow if you're listening this live uh 610 on the west coast tip off kramer you will be in hour five of your uh best ball draft your draft day will will i have access to a television to watch the game i don't know moon off you're you're an independent party on this issue should we allow ryan to watch the uh watch the finals game as well it will be distracting right yeah i
think it's gonna yeah he he answer the question he's gonna distract him from uh unless he's trying to you know kill some hours and you know if he's getting tired trying to get to the finish line that might be a good distraction for him but no distraction you can only focus on nba basketball i'll be watching in the studio i'll i'll come in and give you updates i'm very fill your water in food bowl i know i'm going hard for that over on the team's drafted props so i will not be wasting any time w
atching the league it really and i can't again our studio is completely blacked out with like soundproofing and foam and it's we got the american flag the bright lights i just keep thinking it's the comparisons like an oversea prison one of those floating priests interrogation the off-grid detention center i mean i certainly think there's a chance i go a little bit crazy well sleep deprivation will do that to you and and depending on how many uh shares of daniel jones you draft that's how that's
how crazy we know you'll be we see you with a lot of uh daniel jones ownership nothing but daniel jones from 2 to 6 a.m all right all right let's talk game four tipping off 610 on the west coast bucks now laying four and a half they've moved it a half point minus 185 on the money line sun's coming back at plus 185 total at 220 and a half odds courtesy of win bet moon off um what are you looking at for this game i'm kind of split here but uh i i i want to hear your take which way are you leaning
yeah i think that if they're going to extend this series um this is the opportunity for the bucks to come out and take care of business because if this gets up sons three to one they're going to wrap it up in game five on their home floor um so i agree with uh sorry with ryan that load up on the bucks again tomorrow minus four find those alternate lines alternate spreads uh and and then take the bucks again tomorrow because i think that like you guys mentioned that they're eight and one at home
in the postseason so far yeah the lone loss that they had against atlanta uh that was just a bad spot for them right because they were coming off a seven game series against the nets and overtime so i think that was just a bad spot but other than that um they've been absolutely fantastic at home so i'm back in the bucks again taking the four points well in atlanta uh atlanta is one of those weird teams where they they i think they won every game one in all their series uh in the playoffs which
was kind of a weird stack considering how hard it is to win on the road in the playoffs yeah i'll roll with you guys i'm a little for some reason i'm thinking this game i know kramer has been the alt alt spread god and i hate to go against him but that's why i'm i'll stick with milwaukee minus four and a half although i'm i'm worried this there's a scenario that we're due for a good game in this in this finals and that game four is going to end up being the good game and that the spread will act
ually come into play where milwaukee ends up winning like by two or three points uh that being said though i still am with the idea that this the milwaukee has figured out enough and giannis you know what he's shown i think can carry them to the victory at home so the fact that i think they're going to win i'm just going to lean that they also cover but i'm not as i'm not as on board with uh kramer in the blowout i i i think it might be a little closer perhaps if you think it's going to be a clo
se game maybe it gets to overtime where you can take game tied at the end of regulation what is that what is that 14-1 okay ot plus 1400 let's go that's a real it's a real soccer sean bet right there i needed i needed that well speaking of soccer sean of course uh r.i.p to uh england and congrats to italy uh people have been floating the idea out on social media i was seeing uh i think maybe big cat was chiming in about i forget who else but that uh would you consider an option like this in bask
etball where after first or second overtime it decided by free throws which kind of sounds crazy but hear me out if it was a double overtime and then five free throws as if they were penalty kicks that is dramatic as hell i i think i would be on board with it uh i don't i'm fi yeah that'd be fun i mean you could also you could also just do like you know put 24 seconds on the clock one-on-one well that would be and you get to pick one defender for all five attackers just like in soccer one goalke
eper that's the better way to do it yeah you pick you know like that one guy to defend all five guys 24 seconds per shot the only the only thing that's slightly annoying is one-on-one i feel like it's hard to ref and there would be a lot of guys trying to draw fouls or whatever that would be the only but how about this you have to call your own foul bring the honor back to the game i was going to say i think you bring an old-timer in like shaq or someone to be the official at that point i like t
hat idea i think we figured out how to uh i think we fixed basketball over time we when we had a rec league after the first overtime because they needed to get you off the gym it would just become sudden death and it would be it's a horrible way to play a game because the defense is so passive because they don't want to risk falling because if you just hit one free throw the game is over uh we had a couple sudden death games that just had hilarious endings because someone who would normally not
take a shot would just chuck something up and it would go in and the game would be over but it was mostly because they needed the gym after and i don't see that being a problem in the nba finals i don't know you think they got the rodeo coming through milwaukee i don't know you got a taylor swift concert they got to get to all right so we're all we're all triple locking uh the bucks minus four and a half i'm gonna throw out ot at plus 1400 as a degens only fire bet kramer's on the alternate line
s there moon off i know uh i know you like doing a lot of work on the props the prop market any uh i don't know if the numbers are out yet but any uh player props for game four jump out of you or just angles you're thinking to take in yeah i don't see props listed yet on on my book but i think one thing i didn't want to mention about the total is that um the first half has gone under in all three games and the second half has gone over in all three games and i think that depending on what number
you got yesterday um it landed like right on the number if it was 219 and a half for 220 so i think uh waiting for a live line if you do like the over it might be your best bet and i think you got to continue riding with this first half under because it like i said it is 3-0 in the uh first through the first three games of this series yeah no first half under that feels like a lock and i don't know what it is these teams have just been slow to start and uh milwaukee's an interesting team too be
cause i felt like their shooting was really bad those first two games and got a little bit better in game three it just seemed like less they're shooting up better they just got uh some better looks it'll be interesting to see how the sun's and you know booker he only had what like 10 points uh last night it'll be interesting to see how he bounces back i'm not a big player prop guy but i'll i'll throw out a booker over points just because i think he is he's such a pure shooter i don't think he's
gonna have two off games and they'll probably adjust it enough to uh keep things interesting so i'll throw that out as well give me devon booker over points uh assuming it it posts at something reasonable there yeah i mean i i i uh i can tell you what it is shawn i'm looking at it right pull that up devin booker points 27 and a half yeah give me the overall it feels a smidge low right yeah i mean he's he he's good for high 20s most games i i know he's on the road but i i just don't think and wh
o was on him most of the game it was holiday i think who i think did it you know obviously did a decent job on it but he just he had some bad uh shooting luck too i i think over is the play for him uh even though i do like the bucks laying four and a half all right uh as we close things out here moon off any any locks for uh cramer's draft day which will be happening tomorrow again 1pm pacific underdog fantasy promo code sgpn because we're giving away 15 free entries into best ball mania 2 of co
urse your chance to win one million dollars and uh it's free you get a free entry if you use the promo code sgpn and if you're looking for some extra entries yeah hop in the live stream it'll be on our youtube and we'll be giving away 15 throughout the course of the uh of the draft i know we've have some totals out for um your uh what what do we got the number of uh lacroix consumed bathroom break over under 12 and a half lacroix consumed over under nine and a half bathroom breaks over under 20
and a half teams drafted by the way shout out to terrell because he broke all this stuff down oh it's a great article over here as uh verbosely as you can possibly break down how many times i'm gonna go he has data he went back and checked the film on some of these prop bets it was pretty hilarious but any of these uh as a player prop guy any any liens on uh kramer's uh player props for draft day tomorrow yeah give me the over on that twenty and a half teams drafting that's a little conservative
i think we're gonna get up to maybe like 25 i think i'll go to yeah it'll probably get up to like 25 uh and little nugget here i i think that is the lock as far as these kramer player props little nugget here too is if it's taking a while for the full um drafts to fill because there has to be other other lunatics drafting at 2 a.m west coast time 5 a.m on the east kramer may also we have discussed you are able to draft three-man teams i can do whatever the [ __ ] i want you could probably rattl
e through a few three-man teams which will count towards your old overall uh team's drafted and players drafted so there's also a decent chance that i have other random slow drafts come up that we can talk about because i i've gotten so excited about drafting i have like seven slow drafts going concurrently right now along with these uh tomorrow's gonna be intense and i i think what's gonna be funny is if my opinions are like the guys that i'm ahead of market on right now yeah if i'm right at th
is time and i have a i have a spike where i draft 25 teams god damn i'm gonna have a chance at this million oh yeah all right that'll be uh fun and uh thank you for participating in the sports game podcast make sure you check out moon off monge on the sports gambling podcast uh nba gambling podcast on the sports gaming podcast network the mlb gambling podcast puts out a ton of written content and uh you can follow them on twitter as well at sportsnerd824 moon off uh thanks for calling in man wel
l thanks for having me guys all right for the sports gaming podcast i'm sean it's stacking the muddy green and he is ryan oh man uh see in a couple days world kramer let it
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