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«Орусча эмес кыргызча билбеген уят» —Ыдырыс Исаков

Тарых барактарында, улуттук өзгөчөлүк океанында ар бирибиз өзүбүздүн ким экенибизди, дүйнө бизди кандай кабыл алып жатканын түшүнүүгө умтулабыз. Бул кызыктуу маекте алып баруучу Алия Суранова белгилүү журналист Ыдырыс Исаков менен колониалдык түшүнүктөрдөн арылуу жана өзүн-өзү тааный билүү маселесин талкуулайт. Каарманыбыз азыркы шартта тил саясаты, орустун таасири улуттук өзгөчөлүгүбүзгө терең таасирин тийгизип жаткан доордо кыргыз болуу эмне үчүн маанилүү экендигине токтолот. Кыргызстандагы тил саясатын талкуулап жатып, Ыдырыс кыргыз тилин сактап калуу канчалык маанилүү экендиги тууралуу пикирин айтат. Ал Орусиянын биздин саясий процесстерге жана коомдук түзүлүшүбүзгө тийгизген таасири тууралуу маселелерге токтолуп, бул тышкы саясатта чыныгы досторду жана душмандарды кантип таануу керектигин айтып берди. Интервьюда көз карандысыз маалымат каражаттары жана алардын демократиялык процесстердеги ролу тууралуу да сөз болот. Ыдырыс Исаков алардын иш жүзүндө кандай иштээри тууралуу өз көз карашын айтып, заманбап маалымат коомунда критикалык ой жүгүртүүнүн жана маалыматты өз алдынча издөөнүн маанилүүлүгүн баса белгиледи. Ыдырыс Исаков менен болгон бул маек деколонизация жана өзүн-өзү таануу дүйнөсүнө эшигин ачып, көптөн бери айтылып келген божомолдорду четке кагып, колониалдык ой жүгүртүүдөн кантип чыгып, өзүбүздүн чыныгы жолубузду табуу жөнүндө ойлонууга чакырат. 00:00-01:03 Саламдашуу. 01:03-01:30 Кыргыз болуу деген эмне 01:30-04:23 Кыргыз тилин билүү 04:24:05:59 Улуттук иденттүүлүк тууралуу ойлор 05:59-07:36 СССР убагында жашоо кандай болгон 07:36-14:01 Орусча сүйлөсө акылдуураакбы? 14:01-28:05 Кыргызстандагы тил саясатынын жүрүшү 28:06-30:45 Эмне үчүн орусча ката жазылбашы керек да кыргызча ката жазылса боло берет? 30:46-37:22 Колонизатордун таасири азыр кандай 37:23-43:13 Орусия бизге тең ата сүйлөшкөнгө мүмкүнчүлүк бербейт 43:14-47:39 Дүйнө баскынчылык менен өнүкпөй калган 47:40-47:55 Жыйынтыктоо 47:56-48:06 Досубуз ким, душманыбыз ким ошону тааный жүрөлү 48:07-51:18 Азаттык элге каршы иштейби? 51:19-52:05 Коштошуу. #деколонизация #улуттукиденттүүлүк #ыдырысисаков #кыргызтили

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I 'll be clear, someone should have written it, poor guy, I see the mistake in the post on Facebook, you can't find menus in Kyrgyz in cafes, and the Kyrgyz language is widely used, we are proud of it, fear your own weakness, not someone 's strength The language caravan should be continued without getting out of the way. Hello friends, in today 's Kyrgyz version of the o'dekolon podcast , I am a famous journalist and free- lancer. I will have an interview with blogger Idyrys Isakov. Today we wil
l talk about what it means to be a Kyrgyz , who has such pressure on us or how we can say they have an influence on us, how we are trying to get out of that influence, what is freedom of speech in Kyrgyzstan and what is Kyrgyz in general. Let me give you an example of what it means to be Kyrgyz, to be Kyrgyz means to be Kyrgyz, and now I mean Kyrgyz life, Kyrgyz speech, Kyrgyz lifestyle, in my opinion , Kyrgyz thinking , etc. Kyrgyz way of life. Do you think it is important for Kyrgyz to know th
e Kyrgyz language? Why is it so important that we don't become Kyrgyz? If knowing the Kyrgyz language is not important, then what is the point of calling us Kyrgyz ? Then, on the one hand, we... What does the language give to this person? On the one hand, I am close to cosmopolitan people. I also understand cosmopolitanism and I accept it to some extent. On the contrary, I become a fan of this cosmopolitanism to some extent. I still can't consider myself a cosmopolitan, but it's absolutely the s
ame, it's too Kyrgyz, and it's too Kyrgyz lifestyle . I'm afraid that I'm closed , yes, I'm closed, and I don't accept anything . As a people, as a nation, I think it should have its own identity , but sometimes I think about it . There are cases of changing not only the color of the language, but also the way of thinking, but also at the genetic level, and then it will be a tragedy for the parents, and it will not be a tragedy for the child . They will say that I am such a mestizo and it won't
be a tragedy for them , but it will be a tragedy for us, so why can't we accept it? But what can I say ? Anyway, we are born here and we can't go somewhere and become Americans. Even if I live in America, I do n't care if I go to Russia , for example, I can't become a Russian . The identity of the nation, the identity of the state must be preserved anyway, and we are valued by that, we can count on someone with that, and we are proud of it economically and in other ways, and that is the concept
of national identity . At what point in your life did you start thinking that national identity is not so important? It comes from protest . I think it comes from resistance, that is, from resentment. For example , the attitude towards Russians was life during the union, and we lived under the union. I stayed at that time, all the Russian signs on the buses say "вход" "выход" and on the doors next to them, all the Russian signs don't say dormitory, they say "общежитие" everywhere, and I'm from t
he village, if you come to the city, everything is in Russian, everything is written in Russian, the signs are in Russian the names are all in Russian , and it came because of that resentment, and first of all, and secondly, because of the special attitude towards those Russian-speaking people , I live in Kyrgyzstan and become a Kyrgyz, so why do these Russian-speaking people or people of Russian color have something better than me ? that they expect special treatment , and that's why I hear a l
ot of comments from migrants, the same attitude towards migrants in Russia during the union was called internationalism, and when they tried to maintain the same peace, now the power of the union is now international, the same inter-ethnic conflict broke out . This was what they were most afraid of the disintegration of the union, and that is why they tried to instill in the minds of the people that their main policy was the same internationalism - internationalism . names, for example, we say t
he USSR , for example, the Soviet government is rarely mentioned, but in the papers that say the USSR, we were citizens of the USSR, which was called the USSR . oppressing a shepherd and at the same time the Russians sit in the city with white hands , they have a completely different attitude , a completely different service, a completely different living condition, yes, the fact that they have a living condition, at the same time, does not make me leave the Kyrgyz from the village far away from
the village, even when he walks there and becomes a genius . There was a policy that tried to sit down without releasing it, but now after listening to all of this from the same history, after watching and realizing it, you say that these are idiots, but we still have this idea, but now it seems that you are smarter if you know Russian. My followers wrote this to me on Instagram as soon as I passed by, saying that you will not have such a way to more knowledge in the world. I grew up in a villa
ge and became a Kyrgyz speaker. They say that I will teach Russian in kindergartens and Russian schools, and now, let's find out who knows Russian, and for a long time I have been thinking that Russian-speaking people are educated. A person who speaks Russian means that he is educated . After watching the same behavior of people in Russian Russia itself on TV and on the Internet , how wrong it is to see Russian-speaking people who speak Russian very well in a place where they only speak Russian
and do not speak to anyone when sitting in a place where only Russian is spoken. It was only after I realized that Sumut was speaking very ridiculous things that I realized that even if you know Russian, you will not become educated and intelligent. Intelligence must be given from birth . I later realized that he is much smarter than a person who looks very smart in the city and speaks fluent Russian , and that a smart person can be smart . There are times when he overcomes everything and overco
mes everything , and then if he comes and speaks Russian and says something in Russian, no one will argue with him that he knows Russian. That's why, for example, if a leader can't speak Russian or gets shot while speaking Russian or gets lost somewhere, since Kanybek Imanaliyev, who became the minister yesterday, said the same thing about crocodiles in Russian, we were laughing when he said that Jeenbekov's was also Sooches's . It is the basis of colonial thinking, yes, yes, we think that the p
erson who knows Russian is educated, and if he does not know Russian, we think that he is uneducated, and even so, I can't say that Jehenbekov is a very genius person, even as such a great president . I am far from him . _ _ _ We must admit that he is not a simple person, but how we make fun of him because he does not speak Russian well or clearly, I mean, he is not that simple person in Russian, maybe he is a very patient person or a very wise person, I don't know whether it is in everyday life
or everyday in life, in ordinary life, maybe someone likes it, or people like it, maybe I don't like it, but I don't know if he is a very cunning person, but even so, he is different from other people, at least let's say that he is a lucky person with such a foresight. let's say that even then, in any case, he reached the highest peak in Kyrgyz politics, and now he was able to climb there, he was able to sit there for one or three years, so he is better than me than others, but even then, we Ru
ssian-speaking people, people who know Russian, let's make mistakes in Russian. We didn't make fun , yes, who are you, then you are the president who knows Russian very well There is no such person, and then we used to call the nearby speaker who spoke Russian wrongly, but people gradually understand and our father is unable to explain it to the people . I don't have to know it very well, so maybe those Russian speakers will laugh at my mistake, but if you take me as a general citizen of Kyrgyzs
tan, there are a lot of Kyrgyz speakers, and the most important thing is that I was able to explain something to you in a clear way. It seems that none of them have the will to do it, but none of them will come out and say it openly, because they are probably ashamed inside , and inside they have that complex, they are still the same, and they say , yes, I don't know Russian, we all have that complex. I started to overcome that complex. Now, if I talk to a Russian, I speak Russian in a slurred s
peech. Just now, I met tourists here. I wanted to interview them. , I barely understood what language you said in English , ay hop, ay hop, ay hop, yes, so what do you think about Kyrgyzstan's water , what do you think about Kyrgyzstan's roads, toilets, and then I asked them, and they didn't even laugh at me and left. I don't even have to know English, but at the same time, there is something else we should be ashamed of. You are a Kyrgyz, you studied at a Kyrgyz school, and then why do you writ
e wrong on Facebook? Why do you write Kyrgyz together ? Those who write the same mistakes only in Kyrgyz without shame laugh very loudly when someone speaks wrongly in Russian, and I wanted to ask you about the language issue . In Russians, this policy of bowing down to the big and trampling on the poor, this kind of behavior is the style of the Russian government. This is the soul of the Russians , and that thing came to us during the time of the union . In politics, the Russians still have the
ir own politics, for example , the Russians have a space policy, but they are not happy with the development of space . We have a language policy , but there is no policy itself. For example, if you say language policy, it first of all turns into a money policy. They say, give us so much money to conduct language policy , then do this and then give us such powers. They say that we should go and fine him, set him on fire and punish him, and then collect some money from it, and then sit back and w
ait for him to die. This is the policy that we have now . I wrote about it yesterday, and in those school textbooks, there are so many lexical errors in the English words , I will not talk about the grammatical errors. A lexical error is also the correctness of the structure of the sentence. What should be the structure of the sentence ? There are many more tracing paper , yes, yes, there are lame sentences directly translated from the Russian language . If you search for a law in the Kyrgyz lan
guage, you will not be able to understand it, then there is no way to refer to it in Russian, and then it is easier to search for the same law in Russian, and secondly, it is easier to understand it in Russian . if you look at the written law, those lame words are not used by the Kyrgyz, never see that, I have one word, my red will rise, my red will light up and it will come out to these two faces , yes, yes, there is no way . That one day , I collected books in Kyrgyz language and tried to anal
yze all the textbooks in the school program as much as I could. My father analyzed them , what is the meaning of this sentence, what is the meaning of this word, why did this error occur, and other than logical errors, and besides that. Let me take the laws and read them in Kyrgyz, my father said to the people, if you understand this, please tell me if I understand it , please explain it to me again . If you say that I will cut off my ear, it will not really be cut off , because I really don't w
ant to argue about it , and the reason is that many of our texts written in Kyrgyz are very bad . The language commission formed by a group of cultural businessmen appeared, and then no one knows what they did, but in terms of money , they ate so many millions by doing this and that, and we know about that scandal and their scandal , but they are the ones who implement the language policy and then like this. We don't know what happened, for example, what did we do with the language policy ? It '
s a good thing. It must have been like that . When they started, they started telling anecdotes. They sit in the center and sit among the Kyrgyz . In the region where there is no need, all the people speak Kyrgyz very well, everyone should continue the language caravan without taking it out of Bishkek . If you go, I don't understand you. The demand that you speak Russian is being talked about until now and we reached 32 as a country, we reached 33 even in cafes you won't find menus in Kyrgyz, ye
s, there are no menus in Kyrgyz, the service in Kyrgyz is very little, if you go to most events, there is not a single Russian in the meeting, but only Kyrgyz people sit down and talk in Russian. let's pass that or the language commission propose a law about it and ban it. At the same time, there is no demand from the people. At least write it down in Kyrgyz. There are apples, apricots, and cherries inside this cake. you have to write that there is milk, but now they write it as apple pie, and t
o know what apple pie is, you need to know Russian, and if you don't know Russian, if you come from the village , there is such an insulting scene, and we have absorbed all of that to this day. We teach them the same thing when they say I am an intellectual, a scientist, a scientist, I mean I am a Kyrgyz, I am a nationalist, they say the same thing in Russian . No one tells me whether to give it mutton or beef, lamb or beef is everywhere and this word is entering our lexicon as usual . And then
there is another side of that language policy , on the other side of that language policy is the absence of such a policy against the invasion of the Russian people by the Russian colony , and at the same time , when we control dialects and languages ​​from the region to preserve the same literary language, our policy is so weak. We live in politics, for example , if I am someone from Batken or someone from Alakukou, or this is short, if someone from the region speaks something or writes somethi
ng on Facebook or Instagram, he says, "What do you call it, you are corrupting the literary language ?" People write half of their words in Russian , and most of the services are in Russian, without realizing that the pressure of the Russian people on us through that language and cultural pressure has become so much during the Russian occupation, and without accepting it as normal respect, then you are your own brother, your own If you live a little further away from you, a little further away f
rom you, for example, the Batken people live closer to the Tajiks , the Talash people live closer to the Kazakhs, the Osh people live closer to the Uzbeks, and then they exchange a little language with those neighbors, enrich the language a little, and if there is a difference in some sounds, If you bring the same thing to the other party, we will curse you and take it to the Supreme Council, and there is only one argument that you do not preserve the literary language. There is nothing else . I
f you write a work, you will be able to understand it yourself, but at the same time, if someone writes a text in Russian, someone expresses a thought in Russian , it is too good . I also noticed that this kind of indifference towards the Kyrgyz language, first of all, you became a banner on that street, I often see it in advertisements, first they write in Russian, and then it is clear that people who think in Russian translate the words and sentences from Russian, and then there is an error. I
f you write one t instead of two sounds, no one will pay attention and no one will ring the bell. If the same mistake is written in Russian, for example, then it will be amazing from there . It would be a problem if it was the same banner without the same banner, but if the banner says there is a mistake in Russian, I understand it , but it's simple, today someone is not stopping, unfortunately, today they need an office , is the word "officiantki" written as "officianty" and now it is I must sa
y clearly that it should be written by an Oshk, poor thing, and we are very proud of it. Kyrgyz language is used very widely in this region, on the other hand , in the regions where Kyrgyz language is established like concrete . When people who have acquired Kyrgyz education and speak Kyrgyz come to the capital , they are not stupid . If I should write that poor waiters are needed, he must be thinking that such and such an announcement should be made in Russian, but he will decide whether he wri
tes in Russian, who does not know Russian , or maybe a friend wrote it in a computer club. Someone who was sitting there typed it, and now they are discussing that mistake on Facebook , and at the same time, how many mistakes are there in English, and the people who are discussing the same thing write a lot of mistakes , on the contrary, I see the mistake in every post written on Facebook. From the comments , from every opinion, unfortunately, yes, unfortunately , that's the way to mock the Kyrg
yz language. If they go to such a place or say a word or write an opinion on Facebook, people who can turn the opinion of the society to the right or to the left will not write such a mistake , they have an audience of millions. We don't even see bloggers on Instagram, but here, how correct is it to blame the people? Here, when I say that it is the responsibility of the people, I would avoid blaming the people here, because this is what happens in our education policy, this is what is behind thi
s, and that is why we are like this. Ideological , like saying that we must be the best, I hate the word ideology, but as a nation, school teachers , for example, even in institutions and companies, say this to young children . , he gives some such signals and says at such a rate . It would be good if we could explain it , but in the same 70 years, I don't know if our parents were brainwashed by calling it a literary word and a literary language, that's why even children now think of it as a lit
erary language, but again, when it comes to Russian-Kyrgyz tending to Russian, tending to write correctly in Russian, and when it comes to mistakes in Kyrgyz, we turn a blind eye to them, and we continue to pass them by , and why should we not write mistakes in Russian , and it is okay to write mistakes in Kyrgyz ? For example , this is the colonial way of thinking, what about us ? Yes , yes, we can't get out of it. Now there are few people who open the eyes of the people. The same religious and
similar processes have grown so much that their own national clothes, national food, and national identity of Pakistan have disappeared and all of it has been left under the Arabized culture . At the time of giving too much dose of religion, because of that, the national values ​​of neighboring Pakistan were lost and they were replaced by religious values, and they accept it as a normal phenomenon in the present generation , but only some of the educated people of that Pakistan saw and felt tha
t it was a tragedy of the nation. but they mostly ran away from that pressure and went abroad. First, they lost themselves , secondly, they left their people without a head, and thirdly, the people lost completely because of that . It is not the responsibility of the intelligent, educated and literate people to think about decolonization in the same way that all the people become literate . We have a blogger girl named Aitbekova, and I am very grateful for her, because her blogs are her opinions
, and you agree with some of her opinions, and some disagree with her, but she talks about the Kyrgyz language and then writes in Kyrgyz, starting in Kyrgyz. I strongly support what they wrote about turning around , and I think that similar things should happen. Now, don't you think that this term in Kyrgyz is decolonization? Let's talk about that, what does decolonization mean to you? Decolonization, in simple words, is the same as getting rid of the master or getting rid of the pressure . Get
out of its influence, get out of its skirts, it is said to be separate, separate , but it has its meaning inside each part, for example, we agree with decolonization as a state. We came out of Russia , but we came out of Russia on paper, and on paper, but we can't get out of its influence in practice, and it is not limited to the word "independent, free Kyrgyzstan" in the same legal document , and separate your constitution and create a separate parliament. By electing a separate president and w
riting the constitution as the same independent Kyrgyzstan , he sees that we cannot be free, we must have enough resources to carry out the same independent policy, we must have enough will, on the one hand, it must be an intellectual resource, and on the other hand, an economic one. you need to have resources and only then you should have the level to be able to argue about it without losing your livelihood in such legal and related processes , and because of that, the same proverb comes to min
d: fear not someone else's strength, but your own weakness . Russia is losing its mind and quarreling with Chechens . Such a generous person like Yeltsin, who does not pay much attention to details. Such a short complex like today's Putin . Politicians and politicians wisely did not have the brains to take advantage of this opportunity to resolve such and such issues, for example , to resolve the border between Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan, because Tajikistan had an unprecedented opportunity to res
olve itself internally. At the time of the war , Kyrgyz intervened and called Tajikistan to such and such peace, and they were busy trying to reconcile them , but at that time, Akaev's authority before the Tajik authorities in Tajikistan was greater than ever, and at that time, let's settle our border like this, brother, let 's not fight tomorrow . and now our respect has been respected since time immemorial and if our father had said a word that we should remain that respect, at that moment the
border would have been resolved and the stake would have been hammered . And the Russians may have used it as a weapon against us, because there are several proofs of it, and such indirect proofs, although they did not say openly that the Tajiks should open a war with the Kyrgyz , but perhaps it was said in some cabinet, in that sense, it was the same under Yeltsin that resolved our relations with the Tajiks. We could have solved it with the Uzbeks for a long time . How about opening the same C
hina-Kyrgyzstan-Uzbekistan road, and from now on we are close to the Turks, we are Turkish people, and build a railway from here all the way to Azerbaijan and establish relations with them . They used to keep bringing it from there because they thought we could get it from our Azerbaijani relatives , and we would have had a choice, but now because of the lack of that opportunity, if you say a word against the Russians, they will cut off the fuel for the Russians , and then they will drive out th
e same migrants. Something like that would have solved one problem, and others would have been solved. For example, from the very beginning, when China was interested in Central Asia, if we had wisely allowed the railway at that time, the economy of the people would have been better, even then, we were watching Russia. whether he likes it or not, yes, yes, but there was a chance at that time, because the Russians were not so strong, they had not yet caught the disease of controlling the same thi
ng , their non-imperial ambitions had not yet awakened so much, and during Yeltsin's time, it was quite slow . . We could have decided even then , in short, because of those things, we did not make one or two necessary decisions at that time, but to this day, we are not leaving that Russian colony, on the contrary, day by day, we are getting closer and closer to this influence, unable to get out of the orbit of the Russians , and we are dragged back to that. Is it possible to get out? Of course
it is possible. For that, I am praying for one thing. Now, the man who shot this guy as their leader or the guy who shot him should lose his power . if they are a little weaker, then we can talk to them, if Russia is strong, they will never give us a chance to talk, every Kyrgyz should understand this, from a politician to a school student , and that 's why we have such Ambition arises. When a child reads that when I grow up, I will not sweep the streets of Russians in Russia , when I am in scho
ol, why should I study? Why do you need to study algebra, for example, because tomorrow I will go and sweep the streets of Russians ? I would say that the decolonization behavior and attitude has appeared in the people . Can we say that the migration that is increasing in our country has a positive or negative effect on this decolonization process ? After living in the same country, he is forced to obey some of their rules, and then everything except the scraps gets infected, he says, after livi
ng in Russia, the behavior of Russians becomes normal, and the world is not like this , and they are like us, and then he tries to imitate himself and try to be like them. a person is a normal instinct, none of these reflexes in a person , and on the one hand, on the other hand, it is an information channel, there is no free information in Russia, in Russia, almost all mass media, except for YouTube channels, almost all are propaganda channels , and through those propaganda channels, Russian pol
iticians, Russian cultural workers, all famous people through those channels he speaks and when he speaks , he talks so convincingly, they give a lot of emotions, they use all those methods, the same propaganda tools, and if you look at it, there are a lot of Kyrgyz people who receive that information and believe it 100 percent as usual , because they don't get other information, other sources of information. They don't have it, it's not the people's fault, why don't they get other information,
so other offers are not interesting Therefore, we, like Idyris Isakov, can convincingly counter-propaganda against other Russian propaganda channels or put an alternative to it. Yes, even if it is not counter-propaganda, I am not sure how false their game is , at least to a small extent . and that's why they watch Russian channels thinking that this is the last truth, and sometimes they accept it as the truth. For example , it's not only the migrants themselves, but the influence of that news ch
annel also affects ordinary Kyrgyzstan. Yes, yes, my relatives have lived in Kyrgyzstan all their lives. they are very trusting , especially people over forty, if I look at people over forty, you will talk to taxi drivers, it's hard to say that they are Russians, and the Russian technology is the same , and the Russian is sitting in the Japanese or German technology and praising the Russian technology. They say that the military equipment is strong, but they don't find any arguments against them
, the reason is that they are so brainwashed , the influence of those channels is very effective, and it is strengthening the colonial mentality for and against our Kyrgyz , on the contrary, our politics is also This is happening now , who is bad , kloop is bad , who is bad , Azat is bad , who is bad , all free media are bad and who is a good example . he is becoming a politician through what he means, let him be afraid tomorrow that the satellite will become a weapon of the Russians, and the po
litician himself is not aware of this, and the people are not aware of it, and we call it so difficult. In a word, we haven't come out of the Russian influence , we have formally gained freedom, but we haven't gained it in practice, and we have to do a lot of work to get it . For example, I think that the same railway will reveal a lot. They threaten us, but there are countries near China that are smaller than us, for example, there are Mongols, if you take the number of Mongols, they are less t
han us, like 3-4 million, and half of us, but if you take the width of our land, it is almost equal to ours, and most of the land is flat for cattle grazing. If China wants to conquer China, won't they conquer them, for example, Singapore is next to Taiwan, China won't conquer them, now the world is no longer like that, and the world has not developed by invasion . based on that, we will live in the era of profit making , and China understands that, and I think our people should also understand,
and I think that this invasion policy has remained with the Russians, and the Russians have been proving it every day for the past five or six years. In the example of Ukraine, in the example of the Kazakhs, my last question is to get to the day when we can get away from such colonial thinking, who are our Kyrgyz, who are we as a country, and make our own way of life without being influenced by anyone. What can every Kyrgyz citizen do ? I wouldn't think like that, I don't think about everything
, we usually don't think about the same economy, we Kyrgyz people will continue to be the same heroes, but people don't understand that we won't go far as only chest heroes, and most politicians, unfortunately, don't understand that, and first of all is the development of the economy. It is necessary, and for that, a great political will is needed. Even if there is no great political will, at least the most elementary things should be done more correctly, and more correct decisions should be ma
de. Bribery in simple things should be reduced. In order to reduce it, the same economic freedom of entrepreneurship should be given again . If the freedom of entrepreneurship is given as much as it is allowed, entrepreneurship will increase, if people will have more money, if the money supply will increase, if the people's stomachs will be full, the people will go beyond their daily means, for example. He becomes interested in educating his children, he becomes interested in buying books, he be
comes interested in going to the theater, theater revives, literature revives, if you buy books, literature revives, movies will appear, our movies will appear , they will be the same national movies, we will have such and such national historical movies , and then we will be the same national ones. cartoons that strengthen our identity appear, in short, a nation is formed by sitting like this. Everyone will come back and pay for money. This is also the reason why we do not rise from the lower l
evels of the masalou pyramid. But the main thing is that if we have the same food, we will have a song. Similarly, a person's stomach should be filled . He will give the child a book, so the child of the family will start to think more freely and differently, he will not depend only on Russian information, he will receive information in English or in other languages , he will receive other literature, other channels, his values ​​will change. This is how we leave the colonial mindset, the most i
mportant thing is to come back and get rich, our people should learn entrepreneurship . You need to learn how to welcome and send off. in tourism, even if you open a shop, come , what were you looking for, or if you have already left, you should learn words like "go, come stay" and all of them come back and need money. Entrepreneurs will do anything to earn money , that is, we have an increase in entrepreneurship. We need business freedom and competition and competition should be intensified. Wh
en the competition increases, the service will improve. After the service is improved, we will have a model that understands the importance of the Kyrgyz service. Then we will have our own identity, we are ourselves, and I think pride will wake up. Is the state interested in him, this is a separate question , thank you very much, brother Idyris, it was very interesting, very deep, such a detailed interview, thank you very much, please come again, we always wish you all good health . We need to k
now who is our friend and who is our enemy I would like to add one thing , now we have an attempt at the state level to portray the West as bad for the Kyrgyz people , but at the same time, there are people who see it as normal, believe it and then accept it as normal . She is the wife of someone who works, and then she says that your husband works for freedom and now you are working against Kyrgyzstan, so why do we work against it, and now you work to make religion look bad, and you work agains
t religion . I would like to show, for example, that when the Black Union government came, the mullahs , who discriminated against our religion as usual, were repressive and pushed people to disbelief by saying that there is no god . Moreover, when people enter the same schools, they pour water into their mouths during the fasting months, and then introduce this normal policy against religion . This is a normal policy. politics is a fact, no one can deny it, but even if they sit like this, our p
eople love the Russians to this day, and at the same time , sometimes America comes and publishes a book, it makes our Mullahs look like America, and it is called America, you can accept it like this. He shows and tells without hiding anything, sometimes he organizes readings for the mullahs themselves, he says that he wants to read and open your eyes . This happened again recently in Russia, for example, if you go to America, if you go to Europe, normal prayers are being offered in mosques, fre
e prayers are held in mosques, people are passing by . We don't know exactly how many of our children have been arrested as extremists for growing a beard. I only know some of the facts for an unknown crime, and this is just a staged photo shoot . They found a grenade near someone, found a pistol near someone , and arrested them. I know the children of Abad , it's all happening in Russia. If they trample like this, if they trample like this, then no more. Russians are good, and the West is bad,
and I would say to that , that's what I would like for us to do. We need to know our enemy. we need to learn to recognize that he is the same, he says, you come to support the West, thank you, you have seen the beginning, today we interviewed a freelance journalist and blogger named Idyrys Isakov, goodbye until we see you in the next edition of this podcast, one more thing to say before that If you like our podcasts, if you find them important, please share them with your friends and relatives,
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