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Prepping Students for Tech Roles (CompTIA Volley)

Carolyn and Seth welcome Brad Chamberlain, who teaches technology courses at Maricopa High School in Arizona and oversees a student-led business called 24PinTech. Brad discusses the current challenges and opportunities in preparing students for success in technology careers and every other career that requires some tech fluency. Building a foundation of knowledge around technology systems and cybersecurity is critical, and certifications are a must-have for students who want to pursue a career in a technology field. Volley is a podcast from the CompTIA research team that is produced every other Friday. CompTIA researchers Carolyn April and Seth Robinson toss the latest topics back and forth, sharing their insights on technology trends, information technology channel business and timely technology news useful for any CompTIA member, from managed service providers to business technology leaders. Catch up on the latest from the research team at the CompTIA Resources Center: https://s.comptia.org/resources About CompTIA Membership CompTIA is a member-led association of thousands of technology organizations and hundreds of thousands of business professionals, leaders and influencers worldwide. Together, CompTIA members identify, develop and share innovative tools and resources that drive the inspiration, adoption and evolution of business technology solutions. Learn more about becoming a CompTIA member: https://s.comptia.org/MembershipYT​​​

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Unknown: Hey everybody, welcome to the latest edition of Volley. I'm Carolyn April and as always looking for my good friend, Seth Robinson. Hey, how you doing? Winter finally decided to show up here in New England, we've had weeks of on and off snow. Very pretty outside, but after a really dry December in terms of snow, it's it's behaving normally now. But beyond that, not a lot going on kind of a post holiday ended January lull, I guess. I mean, we, we want to make things exciting for you. Gett
ing getting ready for this recording, we jumped through about 18 hoops trying to get this recording going. So hopefully that added some excitement. I love technical difficulties and sitting and watching other people try to figure them out. Lots of fun. Yeah, well, speaking of people that could help out with technical difficulties, we wanted to talk today about how students, students, you know, in high school for the purposes of our discussion today might be thinking about careers in technology.
This is a topic that we've looked at, through a few different angles on the research team. And we wanted to come back to it. It's been a while since we had the discussion. We also wanted to bring in someone that is actively participating in this and working with these students. So we're really pleased today to welcome Brad Chamberlain. Brad is teacher of computer networks and lots of things technology at Maricopa High School in Maricopa, Arizona. And Brad has also helped students kick off a stud
ent led business called 24PinTech. Brad, did I get all that right? Is there anything else that you do in your job there? No, you you pretty much hit the nail on the head. Those are the things that we do here. I've been teaching this class for about 12 years now in Maricopa. Yeah, we're really glad to have you. I know that you work with some CompTIA products in your classwork and with your students there. So we're really pleased to have you as part of the community here. And we're really looking
forward to the discussion. So I guess to kick things off just at a really high level. One of the angles that we've used on the research team before has been what are students perceptions of technology? How do they view it? How do they think about it? Obviously, almost all these students are using technology on a on a daily on an hourly basis. But does that translate into thinking about technology as a career? So from your viewpoint, how do you see that spectrum playing out among your students? W
ell, that that personal interest in technology, that's the hook, that's what I find to get them in the classroom. You know, I've been involved in this for a long time. I've been a tech director for three different school districts. I've been involved with tech here in Arizona since the late 1990s, the first e rates and those kinds of things. I've been doing it for quite some time. Um, you know, I used to be a gamer. And that's what got me into tech originally. And that's the big hook for most of
these kids nowadays, because just about all of you game, they use tech one way or another. So we have a lot of that actually in the classroom of gaming PCs that kids have built, you know, I've tried to get kids in the room in the lab to see it. Once we get him in here, we get the hooks in now we start talking about tech and how what they already know can translate very easily into a career and try to show him a career opportunities that they do have in technology today. I'm interested in whethe
r or not the classes that you teach our electives, or if they've now been baked into requirements that students have to at least take one course in technology, IT job career technical education, which is an elective school, kids can start taking it their freshman year, but I'm working closely with the district and trying to get a six or 12 cybersecurity track going. Cybersecurity is obviously the big new thing attack. I mean, it's been around a long time. But there are the jobs are really openin
g up in that area right now as it becomes prevalent in new regions. Everything else. So I'm working with it trying to become a permanent class, but it is getting a doubt adopted more. At the junior high level back. They're putting in a computer maintenance program at my feeder school that comes in which is just going to help me as we go. So right now, it's still an elective mid level. Yeah, the reason I asked that is we hear that all the time is that like the public school system hasn't really c
aught up with the technology as a career and making it baked into part of the curriculum as you would any other of your primary subjects. When you think about how kids to setpoint, you know, deal with technology, how they handle technology, how they view it, how do you sort of like as a school navigate, making kids be digitally fluent and making sure that they're able to sort of like navigate the world in terms of the kind of technology that we all have to have at least a cursory now Elijah, and
then figuring out those kids that really might have an affinity for a deep dive in technology and and and potential for a career there because we know, one, they're not one in the same. I could say I'm somewhat digitally fluent. But I would hardly say that I'm built for a technology career right now, with the skill set that I have you ever How do you go about sort of discerning between the types of students that are there? And how does the school then handle those different types of students? G
en. z versus specialty specialty? Yeah, no, definitely. Um, a lot of us started with COVID. I mean, that's when kids started to become a really good, you know, because so many kids were forced to go online and use the many tools we have taken for granted, online meeting online meeting spaces, those kinds of things. So once we went with COVID, you know, a lot of those kids started do understand those digital literacy skills and learning more. I think that those are incredibly important. If you lo
ok at the students in my class, now I have both types. I have the kids that are just here, you know, they want to get that basic knowledge and tech, but maybe not go the career route with it. And then I got the kids who take the deep dive. A lot of that happened, actually, during COVID. Because I had kids coming to school, I had a small core group, so I had them like doing very large projects. And we were doing things like building an essay, yeah. All kinds of building a web server, building our
own Active Directory domain where, you know, I had kids diving into all these different aspects and different projects. But I also still have the kids that, you know, maybe they just want to come here and repair phones, it requires a lot of work, I'm looking for not diversity, but a lot of diversification in the way I deliver my education. That's the business comes in 2014 Tech Model. Kids can each have different jobs in technology, I have some system administrators, I have some technicians, I
have kids that are doing the marketing media aspect of what we do. So it's, it's, it's quite a different kind of class, the way that I teach it, but I do try to reach all of them. I'm really trying to get the digital literature and cybersecurity baked in to that 612, I want the sixth and seventh graders to really be getting those classes. And that's what I'm hoping to get that going district wide in the next couple of years here. And just to stay with this thread for a minute, Brad, you know, I
think one of our big messaging points for a while now has been that technology has blossomed into so many different types of careers. And there are a lot of different specializations out there. And so along with whatever kind of digital literacy, you might need for a business rule that's not tech specific, you can go into technology, and it doesn't have to look like you're in the back room pull on cables all the time, right, you know, that job is still there. But there are a lot of different job
s that now appeal to a lot of different personality types and skill sets. So with all the work that you're doing both on the focus work on the general cybersecurity stuff that you're trying to build in, is part of your messaging, also that students can consider the strengths that they do have, and that those strengths could possibly be applied to a career in technology. Oh, absolutely. I think that's, that's one of the primary focuses of my class, everyone's different, everyone has a different s
kill set, different personality types. No matter what you learn in tech, you're going to be able to apply it somewhere in your job down the road. We do soft skills all the time. So I teach kids, you know, how to send an email, how to use a work order system, how to communicate with customers, and all those are part of the curriculum that I use. And I emphasize, hey, maybe you won't go in this field. But if you're applying for a job, and Joe Schmo is applying for the same job as you are, and you
have this tech background, and they don't, the chances are you're going to get a stronger look than anyone else. Because, you know, those skills are needed here. And, you know, that's something we do in the class, we have competitions, we compete in most SkillsUSA CyberPatriot other competitions, where you know, communication is required dealing with public is required. So, we try to bake all of that into the curriculum, because you can you guys know, being in tech, there's no way, I'm an expert
in everything. There's no way I can teach everything. Even like, I have a kid that's a coder, I don't do a lot of coding. But I try to open that opportunity up for them here. And I'll even tell them that, hey, if you get your A plus cert, or your net plus cert CompTIA, you know, when you decide to go to coding route, well, seeing that you got that CERT is what's gonna get you in the door, and then a lot of these businesses will train you once they get you hired. So there's lots of ways we can g
o about it. And that's just what's worked for me. I'm curious whether that has brought you more girls more females into the fold. Having that sort of like, broad approach to technology doesn't mean it's set said pulling cables alone in a backroom all the time. And there's so many other career paths that you can take, or just having this skill set will help you with a different type of career path necessarily, but it's a good background. For me. Unfortunately, I haven't gotten a lot of girls and
I'm hopeful in the next couple of years, that's going to change a little bit more, I've kind of seen that as I'm talking to the younger kids like middle schoolers who are about to come to high school, I've seen some more girls with that light in their eyes, as I'm talking to the group going back and forth, I always look to see my connecting with this kid on some level. And I'm starting to AIPAC yesterday, I just had a group that I talked to, and I saw four or five girls in there that you know, h
ad that into. So hopefully, I get those numbers up. That's good. That's good to see. So you know, what about when you finally have identified those, those kids who have the light in the eye, as you said, and so you want to pair that beyond basic, you know, introduction, technology and do a do a more advanced, more sophisticated look at me potentially having a career down the road? What are some of the practical steps that you advise them to do? You know, you know, we know what the practical step
s that the guidance counselor's office typically tells the kid in high school, you know, look through your colleges, looking for your colleges, etc. The types of things that you're looking for big school, small school, you know, what about a kid that has some genuine promise with a tech career? What are some of the things that you recommend for their path? Again, all my recommend getting their certification, get your certification, if you're gonna go in this industry, it's probably more importan
t than a four year degree. It really is. businesses, community colleges and local businesses, I have a very good Advisory Board, people from Microsoft on their intel are all telling me that look, it's certifications right now is what we're really looking for. So I tell him to get that first. No. And then again, depending on the student, I have a lot of students and universities work with you at here and there in Phoenix and University of magic technology. I've had several students go there. And
that's kind of a very different path from your traditional university. I recommend Mesa Community College, Glendale Community College and both have a really good Cisco program and a really good cyber program. I recommend students to go there. And then I have some students going right into industry, I have a student who is 19 years old, he graduated, he was 17, he got a job here with the local the auction Indian community, which is right down the road, they're very helpful to our district all the
time. And within a year, he is actually the lead network administrator for the for their network within one year of graduation. So maybe, you know, there are so many paths that kids take, and we all work with students. In fact, I come from the reporting counselor, if they're doing this, because I work with them and trying to get them on that path as best I can. And that's great. I, you know, to hear you talk about the diversity of options that are out there, you know, I think it does depend on
exactly what the student wants to go into, and the types of opportunities that are there. But I think it's great that like even with that dependency, there are so many different opportunities and pathways that they can choose, as long as they're going to do it with their eyes wide open, and they're figuring out what's going to work best for them. It's it's so much more open than I think it was, you know, 10, or certainly 20 years ago, as we're wrapping up here, I'm kind of wondering, you know, f
or all of these students that are trying to get into a technology career, and they're maybe looking at a broad spectrum of tech careers, like maybe some of them are saying, Yeah, I want to get started right away, I want to get into IT support. Maybe some of them say I want to be a data scientist. And so that'll take, you know, more years of training to try to get up to that level. But for any of those students that would be kind of starting their journey. what are maybe some of the, you know, to
p two or three basic skills and skill sets that that you would encourage them to look into and really get grounded in? Well, for me, it goes back to kind of my expertise. I always, you know, learn the computer, learning the system, learn operating systems, learn mobile tech. mobile tech is huge right now. Network Security and cybersecurity and digital literacy. And those are all the things that you know, I really important, I do not have that coding background. But I strongly encourage kids if t
hey're going to do that, you know, I'll get them accounts for Code Academy. In fact, I got one young lady in the class right now she's she we did a kanji integration here, which is kanji. This actually supports all our Apotek our Apple technology that we have here in the district, we actually support it district doesn't. So she set that all up for us this year as a student actually administers it. She needed to do some scripting with it. So she started to explore on our own to Hey, Chamberlain,
I need this in order for me to learn how to get bash scripting, because that's not again my area of expertise, so I will make sure that they have access whatever it is they need in order to get stuck. That's great. Tell us a little bit more as we wrap up about pintech 24. Because one of the big things that come to you, obviously, our membership, most of them are solution providers and the old end resellers and people in the MSP community, and this is what they do. And it sounds like you've creat
ed something there in the school using students to do that kind of a business. Do you talk to them at all about the possibilities of working in the IT channel as a potential career path? Oh, absolutely. I say that for a lot of them are going to start with no matter what you do, you may you're gonna start at a help desk, you're gonna start doing support somewhere. So you need, you need to understand how to give good technical support and how to retain customers. So what 24 pin tech does, we're ki
nd of two prong. We do all the CTE network here at the high school, which means we're fully responsible, we image all the machines, we put them on the network. So on and so forth, we have our own domain here that we have to manage. Windows machines includes Mac machines. So we have to take care of all of that here. And again, I may learn all those soft skills as a part of 2014. Tech, the earth thing 2014 tech does is we work on the second part is we work on customer devices, teachers, students,
anyone who wants to bring a device in, we actually have our own work order system that's on our website, people can go there, enter a ticket, students will get that ticket, whether it's a phone repair, whether it's computer repair, gaming, Council, controllers, printers, we get all kinds of stuff. So we'll get that in here, we bring it in to the shop or repair it, we do it for free, except they have to order the parts and then we'll go out to go out and research and tell them, hey, you need to g
o here and get these parts and components don't get it from here because we've gotten it from them before the terrible. So that's all part of what 2014 tech does. We've been doing that for about eight or nine years now we're on website 24 pin dot tech that anyone who's listening can go visit if they want, we have our own wiki located there for our work order system is located and actually our work order system, our graphic design uses it and EBIT uses it in Phoenix, that's another school distric
t because they saw what we were doing with it. And I'm like, sure we'll host one for you for them as well. And the kids manage all experience. Yeah, very good experience. I mean, that's amazing stuff. It definitely gives them insight into what they're possibly going to get into. So I really loved hearing about that and loved all the information that you're sharing here, Brad, you're definitely one of the good ones. We're glad that we had you on the show here. This This was great. So thank you ve
ry much keep up the good work and maybe we'll talk to you again down the road. for having me today was enjoy beyond I'm always willing to talk about the program and the kids. The kids is why I do it. You see these guys take over and you know, become leaders and run this whole thing. You know, I can be gone for a month. And I know this would still run because I know these guys will take care of me. So it's a joy for me. So thank you. I really appreciate it. Thank you. Awesome. Well, thanks again
and thanks as always to our producer Andrew Mellon that helped us through all of the technical issues that we mentioned at the top. And Carolyn, I'll see you next time. Sounds great.

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