Ross Coulthart, in one of his first UFO/UAP investigations for 7NEWS Australia, looked into sightings from the UK. Nick Pope was cleared to read Britain's most closely held state secrets. The former employee of the Ministry of Defence was pulled aside to investigate the threat to British national security posed by UFOs. What Nick Pope found in those secret files was intriguing, but one incident left him questioning for the first time whether the truth really is out there. The turning point was the 1993 Cosford incident and the Rendlesham incident. Ross speaks with Nick Pope, witness Darren Perks, Colonel Charles Halt, former RAAF Commander Alan Turner, and Professor Chris French. This story originally aired on Sunday Night in 2009.
KEY MOMENTS IN THIS VIDEO | CHAPTERS
0:53 Military witnesses ‘saw something solid’
1:10 Nick Pope from Britain's Ministry of Defence
2:31 The Cosford incident explained
4:20 Witness Darren Perks breaks his silence
5:30 Was the US Air Force involved?
7:00 Numerous UK UFO sightings that have not been explained
7:25 RAAF Commander Alan Turner
8:15 Colonel Charles Halt
9:53 The original audio recordings of Colonel Halt
11:01 Professor Chris French from University of London
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Or about 150, 200 yards from right ventricle, no doubt about it. And we're seeing strange
like that guy in the morning. We just read the newspaper
and that has come this way, the his right to sign off revenue got about it It's it's weird and we don't know
so we're standing there and all and all of a sudden
a beam came down right to the side of us and I'm thinking, is this a warning? Is this communication? Is this what is this? You know, what do we do now? There was something
which he and his nav
igator saw and his voice is quite shaky,
so they don't know what it was. But on radar,
it was climbing like the clappers. And these witnesses saw something
real and solid. These are military witnesses. And and these people,
when they make a report like this and say this is highly unusual,
you can take that to the bank inside the British Ministry of Defense. Nick Pope was cleared to read
Britain's most closely held state secrets as he was to discover
the ministry was sitting on its very own. X Fi
les in the early nineties. This former deputy
director of the Mod was pulled aside to investigate the threat
to British national security posed by UFOs. When you were asked to do it,
did they sort of come up with a bit of a wry smile and say,
I've got something for you? boy, I was effectively headhunted
into that job. I was broadly skeptical. I certainly went in there having no
expectation of finding little green men. What Nick Pope found in those secret
files was intriguing, but one incident le
ft him questioning for the first time
whether the truth really is out there. The turning point
was the Cosford incident. It was this point midway
through my tour of duty where I came in one morning
and the phones were ringing off the hook. And gradually throughout the day,
I put together this story of this amazing series of sightings
that occurred over a period of 6 hours on the night of 30th of March 1993. Across southern England, reports
flooded in of strange lights
moving in a northeasterly c
ourse. They formed the outline of a massive black
triangle. The most dramatic sighting
that night was here around the Royal
Air Force's Shawbury base in Shropshire. Multiple witnesses independently reported
seeing not just lights, but a clearly structured black triangular craft
which moved slowly overhead and then accelerated off to the horizon
at impossible speeds. Now, the effect of this sighting
is clearly recorded in the newly released
Ministry of Defense files. But even more interesting,
th
e investigators from the Defense Department
were unable to explain that mystery. Even to this day. Of all the accounts,
the most compelling was filed by the on duty metrological officer
at a nearby base. He saw it initially
move slowly towards the base and he said it's very slow speed,
maybe 30 or 40 miles an hour. And then he heard this this low frequency
humming sound, which he said was quite unpleasant, rather
like standing in front of a bass speaker. He said he could feel the sound
as well
as hear it. He saw this narrow beam of light
firing down from the craft and from this very slow speed. The UFO accelerated away to the horizon
in seconds, and he described this to me as many times
faster than a military jet aircraft. And this is a credible military witness. This is an Air Force officer
with eight years service. And you it absolutely just there
it was moving to turn a northern direction
in the direction of o f shortly. It was moving very, very slowly. The white light at the front
. It was very erratic emitting,
you know, emitting the light. And it was as if it was searching
for something very, very slowly. And I stood there
for at least two or 3 minutes and watched it just move so slowly. And then all of a sudden, you know, it
just it just went off, just shot off, gone, poof. This is the first time
Darren Perks has publicly spoken about what he saw that night in 1993. He was an Air Force cadet. His description matches exactly
the one given by the RAAF met Officer Craft.
It was defined against the sky. The sky was clear, the stars were right. This blocked out. The stars. It was. It was black, solid triangular noise. Myself nor my superiors at the Met have any conventional explanation
for what was seen. To this day, it's completely unexplained. The British Ministry
of Defense Investigators even approached their American counterparts
here in Washington, DC to ask them whether the US was doing any secret test
flights in British airspace. That might explain the spat
e of weird UFO
sightings. The answer they got back from
the Americans was even more intriguing. They gave us absolutely cast iron assurances
that there was no such craft. Let's say
it was of extraterrestrial origin. Why would E.T. fly billions of light years
across the galaxy and park itself over a rest base
in England? Speculatively speaking,
if these things were were alien, I guess their motives, it seems to me,
would would be scientific study. But but crucially, you concede
it's a possibility
that it was alien. It's a forgive the politicians answer. I can't rule it out. But I guess in strictly logical terms,
of course I can't convinced now that there was something to the sightings. Nick Pope launched
a cold case review of UFO activity over
Britain dating back decades. And what he found
was a surprising number of cases where the ministry
had no rational explanation. Ocean for what had been seen in
this document here is pretty impressive. This is the assistant
chief of the air staff b
eing briefed on a UFO incident where an object
was assessed as operating over the UK. Completely unknown. This was
something which we had never seen before. We couldn't explain. Alan Turner is long retired, but in 1971
he was wing commander in charge of an Air Force radar unit that went on high alert
after multiple objects moving at impossible speeds
and heights were trapped on his screens. Turner ordered a bomber pilot
to try to intercept. He admitted that there was something which he and his n
avigator saw,
and his voice is quite shaky. So they don't know what it was. But on radar
it was climbing like the clappers. We didn't see anything visually,
but it was definitely on our radar. Would you have spoken out about what you saw that night
while you were with the RAAF? No. Why not? Professional integrity. I was told not to talk about it. Colonel Charles Halt was also worried that revealing
what he saw would kill his career. It certainly wasn't career enhancing. How am I ever going to ex
plain this? Nobody will believe this. It was 1980 and Halt was the US deputy base commander at the Bent Waters
RAF Base in England. He was a senior officer, almost certainly
controlling nuclear weapons, one rank shy of general with 20 years experience in the Air Force. The on duty flight Lieutenant. Security Police Squadron came in white
as a sheath, and he said it's back. What's back? He said The UFO is back. He said he saw something out
in the forest. We can't explain. The night before,
two of
Halt's men had reported seeing. And one of them said he'd even touched
a UFO with strange markings on the side. This time,
Halt decided to see for himself. He gathered a large number of soldiers
and headed into Rendlesham Forest. They had radios, lights
and military Geiger counters. Took those things along
just to disprove all of this stuff. I looked up and looked through the forest toward the coast
and saw a glowing object. I can best describe it as looking
something like an eye with a black c
enter. It's moving like this through the trees,
going up and down, avoiding the trees. You use the word there,
avoiding the trees. You're under the clear impression
that this object was intelligently moving. Definitely
is under some type of intelligent control. Halt also took a small tape recorder to the station
by way of a friendly and again, quite sure to head off a fresh face. Here it is. I see it to prove it. We all know she had a chainsaw
on the screen right away. Where else is coming this
way? Crucially, this is an incident
that's witnessed by maybe a dozen people, probably a total of 30 or 40 people,
five of the people involved on the first night actually made
formal statements, witness statements. Now, that would be a disciplinary offense
if there was anything false in that. Halt submitted his investigation
to his superiors with its explosive conclusion
that an unknown craft had been seen
by dozens of military personnel near one of America's
most sensitive foreign bases. His re
port was buried. Do you believe that the US government
or somebody in the US government knows more than they're letting on? I suspect there's more than one agency
that knows a lot more than what they're letting on. I've met Charles Halt and I. As far as I'm concerned, he's
a very sincere and genuine, an honest man, just because he feels
that he is certain about what he saw. Doesn't mean that there isn't any room for memory distortion or perceptual errors
that were made at the time. Professor
Chr
is French is professor of psychology at the University of London
and an arch UFO skeptic. How do you explain eyewitness testimony
from credible witnesses? Well, no matter how convincing the account
and how convinced witnesses are, he says the mind plays tricks. And the most powerful trick of all is that there is an overwhelming human desire
to believe we are not alone. I mean, to be perfectly honest,
I'd love to believe the idea that there is alien life out there,
that we might make contact with
it, that we might learn from
it is an incredibly exciting idea. I looked up and saw this thing in the sky. People very often will be influenced
by what they think they might be seeing, and we have this very natural tendency to kind of fill in the gaps,
both perceptually and in terms of memory. There's no doubt in your mind it's
very real. It is real. I know what I saw. I know what we saw from where you've been sitting
inside the Defense Department. You haven't seen any evidence
of a massive con
spiracy. They're saying what they're saying
because they just don't know. There is no spaceship in a hangar
or anywhere in the United Kingdom. There's not some great smoking gun
that's going to blow this. This whole secret wide open. No, the bottom line is we don't have
a clue what these things are. Take the Cosford incident. There is some evidence to suggest
that an unidentified object or object
was operating over the United Kingdom. That's about as close
as the Mod will ever get to. Saying, Ye
ah, these things are real.
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Sure the minds plays tricks. But 30 + minds don’t all play the same trick at the same time.
Keep up the great work Ross Coulthart.. you are an absolute legend 👏
Myself and my colleague were working a night shift in North Devon in March of 1993 - both Police Officers for Devon and Cornwall Police. We both saw this craft flying slowly over Combe Martin, which is situated on the north coast of Devon on the Bristol Channel. We still talk about it today. It was moving slowly through a valley, triangular in appearance with a strange glowing light or energy source shining at the rear - which is depicted on the film. We watched it for around 10 seconds before I sped up the hill to get ahead of it in order to get a better look, but it had gone by the time I reached a clearing. I recall authorities confirming days later that it was not part of any military tests. I remember looking to my right whilst driving along in the early hours and suddenly seeing this huge thing and saying to my colleague “ What is that ?” Will never forget it.
It’s one thing to be skeptical but it’s another thing to let your skepticism hinder your ability to analyse the facts. Glad Ross is leading the charge with proper investigation 👌🏻
One year ago i had never heard of Ross Coulthardt. Now it seems he will have a firm place as one of the most important voices of this amazing time in our history. Keep pushing. Dont let up. Humanity deserves the truth! Thank you Ross
Thank you News 7 and Ross Coulthart for taking this subject seriously
Thank you Ross & 7News. Great story from the files. The amount of sightings and incidences that aren't public are numerous. I had a conversation 24 years ago with an Air Traffic Controller who had just retired after 30 years service (1970-2000) and ATC would infrequently detect high flying/high speed craft. As the activity was above 50,000ft and outside their control, they were instructed to do nothing, but just make a note of it. He collected 30 years worth of data, altitude/heading/speed, but remained silent for fear of ridicule.
They didn’t fly ‘billions of light years’ to get here. They are inter-dimensional. Something we as humans are only now learning how it works. Space and time doesn’t exist how we think it does.
Awesome 7News, please value Ross Coulthard he's one of the best ❤
It's good to see Ross and Nick makeing this video good team thanks Roscoe from Sydney.
Coulthart has come such a long way in past 7 years. Got the whiff of the phenomenon. Said hold on a second. There’s something actually here. Then quickly rose to the top of cracking the case like non other. Today he’s a living Legend. A legend is someone whose name lives past their day. Heres to many more years man. Be safe out there. Thank you
I live in south Wales UK and I have seen many UFO's in my 53yrs, in 2012 at 4.30am I was awake in bed and I looked out of the window and saw a brilliant white light coming towards my house so I got up and opened the window and watched it fly past eastwards and it was low and it then arced upwards and to the right and it flew off and as it passed i said out loud "let me know when you're passing by again"... four years later I was awoken with a huge urge to look out the window and as i did it was there again, a year and half ago a Chinook helicopter carrying an object flew so low over my house that it almost hit the roof and this was a 2am and the whole house shook violently and I looked at it and it was blacked out with only one red light flashing, seriously suspect.
Skepticism is ok. But don't insult the witnesses. Give them credits, you weren't there!
I love this! It's about time to see this topic come into the mainstream without all the giggling & woo-woo music. Thank you, Ross & NEWS7!!!
The Llyn Peninsula in North Wales has been a ufo hotspot, to be precisely the Eifl mountain range. Only us farmers from there talk about it. Never been documented and we've seen lots of ufos and landed craft on the hills by our farm, well on my friend's farmland about 500 yards or less from our farm. He's seen a few ufos around here too and on his land. For me it started in the winter of 1979 . I was 12 years old with my dad , a craft at night say 8pm kept in front of us driving home along back lanes to our farm. It knew where we lived! It took short cuts as we meandered along twisty back lanes and was waiting for us to catch up, then started off again in front of us until we reached our farm, then it just vanished! Next takes us to 2009. Then 2012, September. Oh, yes 2003.... 2012 was a very active year. Independent witnesses each and every time I saw a ufo craft, so I'm not imagining things!! It's been hidden away how we feel about our encounters, we as farmers are so pissed off at being quiet in our own community. We saw them, too closely actually for my liking, we have nightmares, not happy walking the hills and mountain range at night . It's a very uncomfortable feeling. We feel as we are being watched , that feeling and it's very strong feeling too. They land in the same two places every time . Seen indententions in the heather for one thing.
Love Ross Coulthart !!! Will be remembered in history !!!
Thank you Ross for your dedication to this! ❤❤❤
I walked right into Nick Pope at a quiet little hardware store in a largely Hispanic neighborhood on a Sunday afternoon in the summer of 2021 in Tucson, Arizona. The only thing more surprising was his wife’s stunned reaction that even at that little store he was immediately recognized. I didn’t bother him, just complimented his work and then his wife offered to snap a photo. Very gracious people those two.
Im a simple man, I see a Ross Coulthart investigation and I click play
This bloody swamp gas gets everywhere!!