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RTX 4070 vs RTX 4080 - DON’T Buy a 4070 Gaming Laptop!

Sponsor: Gigabyte & Aorus Gaming Laptops, check out the new models: https://geni.us/k2m4 RTX 4080 Laptop Prices: https://geni.us/AmxmY RTX 4070 Laptop Prices: https://geni.us/ZHQf XMG Neo 16: https://geni.us/4puDGIm 💲Find the best gaming laptop deals at my site https://gaminglaptop.deals Is Nvidia’s RTX 4080 laptop GPU worth spending extra money on compared to the cheaper RTX 4070? I’ve compared both in 25 games at 4K, 1440p & 1080p to find out! Chat with me and the community in Discord and get behind the scenes videos! https://patreon.com/jarrodstech EVERYTHING I USE: 💻 My Current Laptop: https://geni.us/JarrodsLaptop 🖥️ My Current Desktop PC: https://geni.us/JarrodsPC 🎥 My Camera Gear - https://geni.us/JarrodsStudio 💍 My Smart Ring - https://geni.us/oFfTMJ FOLLOW ME: 🐦 Twitter - https://twitter.com/jarrodstech 🌍 My Website - https://jarrods.tech 📺 2nd Channel - https://youtube.com/jarrodslaptops RTX 4070 vs 4080 Gaming Laptop Comparison Timestamps: 0:00 RTX 4070 or RTX 4080 Gaming Laptop? 0:33 Video Sponsor - Gigabyte 1:10 GPU Spec Differences 1:36 GPU Power Limits 2:03 Power Scaling - Performance at Different Power Limits 2:50 Laptops Tested 3:03 Battery Life Difference 3:13 Power Draw Difference 3:13 Performance Per Watt (Best Efficiency) 3:41 Temperature Difference 3:56 Clock Speed Difference 4:11 25 Games Compared at 4K, 1440p & 1080p 4:16 Cyberpunk 2077 4:43 Apex Legends 5:05 Microsoft Flight Simulator 5:31 Far Cry 6 - VRAM Difference at Work 5:56 Forza Horizon 5 - Another Big VRAM Difference 6:20 Watch Dogs Legion - VRAM is Important Here Too 6:44 Dying Light 2 6:52 Ray Tracing - The Witcher 3 7:15 More RT - Metro Exodus 7:31 Hogwarts Legacy 7:49 15 More Games Compared! 8:19 1080p Average Difference 8:49 1440p Average Difference 9:08 4K Average Difference 9:30 25 Game Average 9:47 Price Difference & Laptop Sales 10:55 Cost Per Frame (Best Value) 11:31 Where the 4080 Makes Less Sense 11:53 Room for 4070 Ti Laptop? 12:06 RTX 4070 Laptop for 4K Gaming? 12:46 Where the 4070 Makes More Sense 13:04 Worth Spending More for RTX 4090? Disclosure: Purchases made through store links above may provide some compensation to Jarrod'sTech.

Jarrod'sTech

7 months ago

Nvidia RTX 4070 gaming laptops are not worth  buying compared to the higher tier RTX 4080. Yeah, a gaming laptop with a 4080  inside is going to cost more money, but it performs so much better in most games  that it’s worth spending the extra money. I’ve compared both GPUs in 25 games at 4K, 1440p and 1080p resolutions to show you  how crazy the difference is! This is critical information that anyone considering  an RTX 4070 laptop needs to pay attention to! But first, Gigabyte have  sponsored t
his part of the video. Gigabyte's high-end Aorus gaming  laptops have been redesigned this year, while budget conscious gamers  are covered by the updated G5. These laptops are more powerful than ever with  Nvidia's latest GeForce RTX 40 series graphics, allowing you to enhance your gaming  experience and get smoother gameplay with DLSS 3 frame generation in the latest titles. And Gigabyte have got content creators  covered with their newly updated Aero 16 and brand new Aero 14 for ultimate port
ability. Check out the sponsored  link below to find out more. Back to the comparison. The higher tier  RTX 4080 laptop GPU has 61% more CUDA, tensor and ray tracing cores compared to the lower  tier RTX 4070 - a massive difference. The 4080 also has 50% more VRAM capacity with a bigger  memory bus, more memory bandwidth, and faster memory. The 4080 can also hit higher boost clock  speeds, as it’s got a higher maximum power limit. In theory, both of these laptops can run with  an extra 25 watts
with Nvidia’s dynamic boost, but in the real world with an actual game running, 4070 laptops hit a voltage limit in  most games at around 100 watts or so, which means there’s no FPS boost beyond this  point as it can’t actually run above 100 watts. This is not a problem for the 4080, and FPS in  games continues to scale at higher power levels. This graph shows the 3DMark Time Spy graphics  score from each GPU at different power levels. The 4070 can run lower, making it better  for thinner and li
ghter gaming laptops, while the 4080 can use more power, which is  why it can be found in bigger laptops with more cooling. With both GPUs running at 60 watts,  the 4080 was scoring 20% higher than the 4070, but if we limit both at 140 watts,  well the 4080 has a much larger 49% lead. And then it gets even further  ahead at its maximum 175 watt limit. I’m comparing both of these GPUs at their max, so we are expecting a pretty big performance  difference. So expect a smaller change to what we’re
going to see here in smaller  laptops with lower power limits. I’m using XMG’s Neo 16 laptop to do this  testing, so we’ve got the exact same CPU, RAM, SSD and water cooling for  a fair comparison. They’ve both got the same sized batteries  too, and with a game running, the 4070 laptop lasted 20% longer with both on  battery power and limited to a 30 FPS frame cap. The 4070 laptop uses less power. When measuring  both at the wall with the charger connected, the 4080 was drawing 19% more power  i
n Control at 4K high settings, and 24% more power in Cyberpunk  2077 at 4K ultra settings. Yeah, the 4080 offers more  FPS, as you’ll see soon, but from a performance per watt  perspective, the 4070 ends up more power efficient. The 4080 hits higher frame  rates, but it needs more power to do so. The 4070 was also running a little cooler in these  games too. The 4080 uses a physically larger die, so in theory it has more surface area for cooling, but again it’s using around 20% more power  too,
and more power results in more heat. The clock speed difference wasn’t that big, with the 4070 actually clocking higher in  Control. The 4080 has 61% more CUDA cores, but with 19% more power it doesn’t seem  that it can clock them quite as high. With all that in mind, let’s move into our 25 game  comparison, starting with Cyberpunk 2077. I’ve got the 1080p results down the bottom, 1440p in the  middle, and 4K up the top, with the 4070 results underneath the 4080 results. Despite the small  diffe
rence seen in the clock speeds, the 4080’s 61% more CUDA cores are clearly being put to work  here, as it’s reaching a 64% higher average frame rate at 4K, though the 1080p difference  was smaller with a 26% lead over the 4070. Some games like Apex Legends had massive  performance differences at 1080p though. The 4080 was 65% faster than the 4070, the  biggest difference at this lower resolution out of all 25 games tested. Even the dips in  performance on the 4080, as shown by the 1% lows, were
higher than the average FPS coming  out of the 4070 - a big difference. Then on the other hand, games that are more CPU  heavy like Microsoft Flight Simulator barely had much difference at all at 1080p. There’s  a bigger 36% lead with the 4080 at 1440p, but this is still the smallest  difference out of our 25 game selection at this resolution. By the time  we get up to 4K, the 4080 was 54% faster, because the more powerful GPU can better  stretch its legs when we’re more GPU bound. Now although
the 4070 has done relatively alright  at 4K so far, it starts to fall apart in Far Cry 6. Its 8 gigs of VRAM just isn’t enough at this  resolution with ultra settings and HD textures on, though you could of course lower the settings to  reach a higher frame rate. My point here is that the extra 4 gigs of VRAM available to the 4080 do  help it out in some games at higher resolutions. This is also seen in Forza Horizon 5 with the  highest extreme setting preset. At 4K the 4080 has a massive 92% hi
gher average frame  rate - almost double the FPS of the 4070, crazy stuff. At 1440p the 4080 was  49% faster, which sounds great, but it’s actually a below average  result out of the 25 games tested. Watch Dogs Legion can be fairly  VRAM heavy at ultra settings too, which would explain why the 4080 was 77% faster  at 4K, one of the biggest differences from the 25 games tested. Even at 1440p and 1080p,  the 1% lows from the 4080 were still better than the average FPS from the 4070, which just  me
ans the 4080 is more stable and consistent. It’s a similar deal in Dying Light 2 as well,  the 4080 has a 77% lead over the 4070 at 4K, but then on the other hand, there’s almost no  difference in average FPS in The Witcher 3 at 4K with the ray tracing preset enabled. This is  a weird result that I’ve seen with a number of laptops in this game, with ray tracing on once  it gets too hard to run it seems to just cap out at 30 FPS. Even 1080p was 59% faster on the 4080,  the third biggest differenc
e at this resolution. Metro Exodus also enables some RT  effects with the highest setting preset, which probably explains why we’re seeing  the same 59% improvement with the 4080 at 1080p. Tracing those rays just needs more GPU  horsepower, even at this lower resolution. The differences in Hogwarts Legacy were below  average compared to most other games tested, and although the 4070 was only reaching 30 FPS  at 4K max settings, don’t forget that both GPUs could see a nice improvement by making u
se  of features like DLSS and frame generation. Alright after 10 games I think you’ve got the  general idea, the 4080 is significantly better in most cases. I’ll just quickly skip through  the rest of the 15 games tested on screen now, instead of wasting your time talking through the  results from each individual game. I think it’s important to test a wide selection of games  so that we can get an accurate picture of the average performance differences to make the  fairest possible conclusion. A
s I always say, more data equals more better. Let’s  look at those average differences next. On average over all 25 games tested, at  1080p the higher tier RTX 4080 laptop GPU was 44% faster compared to the lower tier  RTX 4070 laptop GPU. This graph shows how much faster each game was on the 4080,  and as you can see, results really vary depending on the specific game. CPU heavier  games like Flight Simulator and Spider Man were 5 to 10% faster on the 4080, while a  number of others were closer
to 60% faster. If we step up to the higher 1440p  resolution where we’re more GPU bound, the RTX 4080 was now 55% faster than the 4070 on  average. This time even the smallest difference was 36% faster with the 4080, while in the best  case, we’re seeing up to a 70% lead in Dead Space. The gap gets bigger at the higher 4K resolution,  where we’re even more GPU dependent, and the VRAM difference starts to matter more in some games.  The 4080 is now 69% faster than the 4070, nice, although if we
treat that massive Far  Cry 6 result at the top as an outlier, then the 4080 was instead 59% ahead on average. Here’s how frame rates look if we instead  take the average of all 25 games. I think this better allows us to visually see the overall  differences as a quick summary. It lets us easily see that even over a wide selection of games, the  4080 has a big performance uplift over the 4070. Alright, so the 4080 performs  way better compared to the 4070, but is it worth spending  more money to
get the 4080? Prices of both will change over time, so refer to the links below the  video for updates and current sales. And if any 4070 or 4080 gaming laptops do  go on sale, we’ll be sure to add them to our gaminglaptop.deals website. We  update that every day with all of the latest sales so you can save  money on your next gaming laptop! Alright, I’ve got a few examples. The  ASUS ROG Strix G18 costs $2300 USD for the RTX 4070 model, while the 4080  is only $200 more, or 9% more money. Raze
r’s Blade 16 certainly costs  a whole lot more money overall, but it’s still only 9% more money to  go for the better performing 4080. If we actually use XMG’s Neo 16 with liquid  cooler that I’ve tested in this video, we’re looking at 25% more money to go from the  4070 up to the 4080. This same model is also sold in the US by Eluktronics, and we’re looking  at a similar 21% extra money for the 4080. The 4080 ends up way better from a cost  per frame perspective compared to the 4070 in all thre
e of these examples, so for  the ASUS ROG Strix G18, Razer Blade 16, and XMG Neo 16 / Eluktronics Mech-16 GP. Yeah,  the 4080 costs a few hundred dollars more, but it performs so much better in games that it  ends up being worth it by offering better value. It’s a bit different with something like  the ASUS Zephyrus M16. There’s a much bigger $750 price gap between the 4070 and 4080  options, so 38% more money for the 4080, and unlike the last three laptops,  the M16 is a thinner design, so the
4080 is power limited to 120 watts plus  dynamic boost. This means it won’t perform as well as the 4080 results shown previously in  this video, so I can’t fairly do the cost per frame calculation with my data, but it’s an  example where the 4080 may make less sense. Based on the big performance  differences between the 4070 and 4080, it kind of feels like Nvidia have just  left a space for a 4070 Ti next year. But that’s just me speculating based on  the big differences between these two. Hones
tly, I don’t really think that a 4070  laptop should be considered if your goal is 4K gaming. To be fair, as we saw in many of  the games, you can certainly get away with it. Especially if you’re willing to turn down the  settings a bit or make use of features like FSR, DLSS or frame generation. But ultimately  for 4K gaming with higher setting levels, I’d recommend the 4080 for its extra power,  but also the 50% extra VRAM capacity. Even for 1440p gaming, spending  a few hundred dollars extra i
f you can afford it for the 4080 just  feels like a no-brainer. Which kind of makes me wonder if the 4070 only exists  to entice people to spend more on the 4080. Now to be fair, the 4070 does make more  sense in thinner and lighter laptops as that GPU is pretty efficient at lower  power levels compared to last gen. But when we’re talking about max powered  options for the best FPS in games, the 4080 wins hands down and is  worth the extra money in most cases. But if you’re going to spend RTX 40
80 money, is it worth spending more and going all the  way up to the RTX 4090? Check out this video next where I’ve compared those two GPUs  in the same 25 games at 3 resolutions!

Comments

@JarrodsTech

⚠ Don't miss out! Save money on your gaming laptop with our daily deals: https://gaminglaptop.deals 3:31 Meant to say the 4080 is more power efficient. It uses more power, but the FPS improvement is higher. The graph is correct, what I said is wrong.

@wda6123

Sadly, 4080 laptops are just so expensive. The gap between 4070 and 4080 laptops range from like $700-$1000+. Even when considering future proofing, they're quite unnaffordable for even the average consumer willing to go above their budget

@antalpoti

Jarrod and everyone else: "just buy a 4080 instead of a 4070". Me: "sure blud, lemme pull another 1500€ out of my arsehole"

@B-max.

this conclusion of "just buy the more expensive model bro" is exactly why 'Ngreedia' created such a difference in performance between these cards. As consumers, you are being played.

@ZeroEight

I absolutely love the Power Scaling graph you did, I wish all the reviewers provided this information. I would love to see this graph for the Asus G14 - 4070, 4080 and 4090 variants

@pedro4205

At this moment, in BestBuy, the cheapest 4080 is costs 800US$ more than the cheapest 4070.

@Jonathan-bi8hr

The voltage limit is an incredibly disingenuous move on nVidia’s part. If they advertised these cards as up to 100w, that would be fine as a marketing tool for efficiency. Instead, they get to advertise more power, more better, without actually delivering on performance

@rkiwtir1146

Sure the performance difference is large but the price is also large (Atleast in regions where i can buy it from) Usually it is around 400-600$ difference and then again you're not just looking at the GPU on paper when buying it. The TGP varies by models , plus the screen, cooling, battery life, upgradability all matter of the laptop all matter.

@alexbraundelacruz9690

I do agree with that statement, but I also think the 4070 has its place in thin and lights. The efficiency of this card is amazing laptops like the x13 and z13 are great examples of that

@Pividol

You've played right into their hands. The entire purpose of the lower skus is to upsale for the 4080 and 4090

@DiegoAlejandroVargasPaloma

Your analysis and comparisons as always so thorough and accurate; so helpful to get the full picture. Thank you.

@sierra5065

When pointing out how bad of a value the 4070m is you should also include the 4060m. Its ~10% slower but more than 10% cheaper and has the same 8gb vram.

@user-tr1sz3qw5n

As always it just depends on price. If the price difference between a 4070 and 4080 is like 300 even 400 hundred dollars than by all means get a 4080. But right now you can get deals on 4070 laptops that make the price difference more like &700-$900. A Legion with 4070 can be had for like 1600-1700 right now, a 4080 version comes in 2500+. That's a gap in price that is actually bigger than the gap in relative GPU performance, as long as you are fine gaming at 1440p/1600p which these GPU's seem perfectly capable of handling.

@victorxdavid

In my country it was a 40 dollar increase in price switching from 4060 to 4070 in the configuration so i think it depends on the deal aswell. But the jump to a 4080 would be a few hundred dollars

@ElBandito_Gaming

Hi Jarrod, from that video where you showed that above 100 W all 4060-70 perform the same (capped fps above 100w), I am looking ONLY at 4080 laptops. There is no point getting somethinng above 100W 4060. Thanks again!

@exserentia

Great review. Would add a caveat -- I think the mfgs realize they aren't selling so managed to get a 4070 legion that I paid 4060 prices for (~1350$ w. 7745hx). 4080 capable laptops seem to be outside my price range and would set me back quite a bit more.

@GodRishUniverse

But like if a 4070 is like 1500 usd or 1700 usd max then it may be better in terms of cost per frame.

@shinobishaw7542

Unfortunately the "just spend more for 4080" didnt reach the box retailers ears. I'm seeing on average a $500-$700 price difference from 4070 to 4080. Also the laptops that come with 4k screens pushes the price to the $3200-$3500 range. You can get a 4070 i9 (H) for under $2400 from most places. Also for me I prefer thin and light laptops.

@saif3r

I just bought Aorus 2023 with 4070. 4080 is around 1.2k$ more with Aorus 2022. I was fighting with myself to see it it's worth it and decided to go with redesigned Aorus with weaker GPU. I watched tons of your videos and the one about redesigned aorus helped me make this decision. Also, sick t-shirt as usual. I'm listening to Anno 1696 atm, loving the album so far.

@jason5247

In Canada, the Legion 7i with a 4080 is going to be about $1,300 more than a Legion 5i with a 4070. Insane price difference, no reason to go for the 4080.