Russia has recorded NATO's official desire to send troops to Ukraine! Lavrov

Minister Lavrov, you talked about a lot, US policy, NATO expansion eastward, the situation at the United Nations, Macron's comments, the situation in Gaza, we're going to get into all of that. But I specifically want to ask you, because the tone that I seem to have gotten from your opening remarks is it's action-reaction, I want to find out a little bit more where you see Russian foreign policy is taking the country. Where do you see it? If you could paint me a picture in 10 years, where is Russ

ia as a result of its foreign policy? In the middle, of course. You know, President Putin recently delivered a message to the Federal Assembly. There he very succinctly, but clearly reflected our current philosophy. For many years after the Soviet Union disappeared, after the new Russia was experiencing its formation in a new capacity, we believed what the West promised us. They told us that now a period of general prosperity has arrived, that there are no ideological opponents, that we are all

in the same boat, and that we will honestly live and work together for the benefit of us all. It turned out that all these promises were fiction. We did not feel any equality in economic relations with the West. It took us a long time to join the World Trade Organization. The European Union, as the Russians say, pulled out all the veins from us, it bargained for concessions. And much more was present in our relations with the European Union, as with our closest neighbor. Although we were the lar

gest trading partners, any economic actions, steps, agreements were given to us with great difficulty. And in the end, they deceived us on the issues that matter most to us, on issues of equal and indivisible security. This principle of equal and indivisible security is written down in a number of decisions of the so-called OSCE, the Organization for Security Cooperation in Europe. Starting from the 1999 summit in Istanbul, it proclaimed this principle, and then it confirmed it more than once, i

ncluding at the highest level. This solemn commitment states that no single country or group of countries in the Euro-Atlantic region will claim dominance. And NATO was engaged in the fact that with one hand it signed such a commitment, and with the other hand they signed expansion agreements, constantly violating all the principles that they seemed to honestly agree upon within the framework of the same OSCE. And I won’t say what happened next with Ukraine. You know all this. There was a coup d

'etat, a regime completely subordinated to the Americans, who even before this coup d'etat, hundreds of employees worked there in ministries. Just as they now supposedly have their own mercenaries, but in fact there are career officers there, including the British and French. We know this well. And it all ended with what we have now. When the Minsk agreements were concluded, then we once again believed that it was possible to agree on a way out of the crisis in which Ukraine, especially its east

ern regions, found itself. We thought we could avoid any negative consequences. Twice during the period when NATO began to expand uncontrollably, we proposed concluding a Treaty on European Security. In 2010 and again in December 2021. The West arrogantly rejected our proposal to codify what had already been accepted as a political declaration at the highest level. The West simply rejected it. And the West said that their relations with Ukraine are none of our business. And that NATO will do wha

t it wants. At best, let's talk about some restrictions on those intermediate- and shorter-range missiles that were prohibited by the treaty from which the United States withdrew, and which they will build with us, but, they say, we will limit their deployment near our borders. Therefore, the OSCE was unable to do anything, although this Organization was the place where all these solemn and pathetic decisions were made. And therefore, for us, this structure no longer represents any platform on w

hich we can rely. The principle of consensus has been violated. The Secretary General and the OSCE Chairman, who changes every year, openly take one side. For many years, while laws were passed in Ukraine to destroy Russian education, Russian media and Russian culture, the OSCE was silent. Just as it was silent decades before about the fact that in Latvia and Estonia the status of statelessness is still preserved, when ethnic Russians living in these countries, and, by the way, voted in referend

ums for the independence of Latvia and Estonia, they are not grant them citizenship. Now they are starting to throw these people out of the countries I mentioned. And the OSCE is silent. Therefore, our President, in his message to the Federal Assembly, outlined our initiative or our awareness, if you want, of the reality that is now emerging, namely, the importance of developing cooperation on the Eurasian continent with the participation of all countries and all organizations located here. And

the basis for this process is already being created by the relations, for example, that have been established between the Eurasian Economic Union and the Shanghai Cooperation Organization. Between the EAEU and ASEAN. Between the SCO and ASEAN. We see the prospect that the Cooperation Council for the Arab States of the Persian Gulf will join these efforts. The Arab League and a number of its members are also located on the Eurasian continent. And this initiative leaves the door open for European

s. If they understand the complete dead end of their current policy of maintaining their essentially colonial dominance, arrogance and lack of any responsibility to their voters, whose standard of living they are sacrificing to the Ukrainian regime. And they don’t just make sacrifices, but proudly, for the whole world to see, they publicly talk about it. Then we'll see. So, Eurasian security is a natural process. Moreover, the center of world development has shifted to the Asia-Pacific region, p

rimarily to South and East Asia. In general, Eurasia is now the engine of world development. Euro-Atlantic has already lost this role. This is roughly how we see the future. Mister Lavrov, at the beginning of your answer you said, of course Russia is at the middle. I'd like to point out that Turkey is actually – if you open up Google Maps, Turkey is in the center. Well, there are some maps in Turkey that have large parts of the Russian Federation in the wrong color. I hope these are not the map

s you mean? Okay. You briefly mentioned the French about five minutes ago. I want to ask you about a particular comment made by the French President Emmanuel Macron at the beginning of the week. He said when it comes to the issue of Western troops on the ground in Ukraine, he said, quote, nothing should be off the table, nothing should be ruled out. The United States has subsequently come out quickly, denied this, saying that this is not on the table, as has the UK and Germany as well. You were

asked by a TRT World reporter about a couple of hours ago what your thoughts on this comment was. I believe that your remark was short and nonverbal. I was wondering if you could actually comment on how this series of words has played out from a Russian perspective and the reaction. Yes, sure. And this was not a reservation from President Macron. Because when he said this, his subordinates immediately rushed to correct the impression that was made on the world community and even on the European

Union as such. There, many began to categorically refuse his words, including Chancellor Scholz. But mister Macron’s subordinates, including the new Foreign Minister, began to say that he did not quite mean it. And, on the other hand, as he said, you can send troops there, but they will not fight, but they will train. And this will not necessarily lead to war with Russia. That is, maybe this will lead to war. The very fact of the deployment of troops was recorded. Or rather, the desire to offici

ally send in troops. Unofficially, they are already there. Without these so-called instructors, Ukraine's long-range weapons could not be used against Russian cities. We understand this very well. There is a lot of evidence for this, and new evidence is emerging. And Macron, after all these exchanges that were caused by his statement, he said, as I understand it, yesterday or today, that he does not retract his words. But you mentioned that Washington began to distance itself from this position.

This is not entirely true. Indeed, President Biden said something that they were not going to fight. But mister Austin, the US Secretary of Defense, leaving the hospital, said that if Ukraine is defeated by Russia, then NATO will have to fight Russia. There is a quote from him. This is exactly the point. Therefore, this is very serious. And at the same time, they accuse us of putting nuclear weapons into space. Our President has already given comprehensive explanations for this. And the best fa

ct is that for 15 years or more, our joint draft treaty with the Chinese on the prevention of an arms race in outer space, which prohibits the release of any weapons into outer space, has been on the table of the Conference on Disarmament in Geneva. The Americans are blocking it. Now they have decided to blame us for this. This is an old scheme. When they needed to withdraw from the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, then President George Bush junior said that they needed to fight North Korea, Iran,

they say, they have all sorts of bad weapons that threaten the United States. But it was a mistake. Then they had to withdraw from the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty. They just wanted to go out and create, as they are now doing, ground-based missiles prohibited by this treaty. But before they left, they blamed us. They said that we had allegedly already acquired this type of weapons. To this end, President Putin officially sent a message to all NATO members. And the Americans said tha

t we have deployed these types of weapons in the Kaliningrad region. Putin sent a message to all NATO members, officially inviting their experts to the Kaliningrad region to inspect the missile launchers located there. In response, he asked them to allow our experts to visit Poland and Romania, where American missile defense systems were deployed, which could be used as strike weapons, and which from this point of view fell under the treaty in question. They didn't even try to discuss this messa

ge. They simply refused us. They said that Russia is violating, and therefore they have nothing to even check. They did the same with the Open Skies Treaty. Before leaving it, and this agreement was a serious confidence builder, they said that Russia was violating this agreement. That's all. Although the violations were primarily on the western side. Therefore, the Americans are probably now accumulating unnecessary arguments in order to refuse any agreement on not withdrawing weapons into space

. Well, our President responded very clearly to all these fabrications in his message. It's just nonsense, as he put it. And that those who are driving such a militaristic wave must be aware of their responsibility. And we really hope that the population of these countries understands what their elected representatives are playing with.