good evening everyone how you doing tonight all right good to have you here uh let's uh call the meeting of the San city council to order it's February 28th 2024 6:30 p.m. and let the record show that all council members are present uh tonight um we're going to do a couple of presentations however before we get to that we're going to take care of some important business first is the uh invocation for the night and let me tell you a little bit about the person that's going to be here for that ton
ight he is Marshall masser who is the lead minister at Lakeside Side Christian church for the and has been for the last 16 years he is a preaching Pastor Vision Caster staff leader and small group teacher Marshall completed his undergraduate work at Ozark Christian College ozar Christian college is in the city of Joplin Missouri on a 60 acre campus the college is near Kanas City fville Branson and Tulsa the college began as the ozar Bible College in 1942 with only 16 students today with over 15,
000 students and over 75 years later the OC continues to train men and women for Christian service over 90% of the graduates that's a lot 90% enter vocational and volunteer Ministry Marshall obtained his master's degree from Lincoln Christian University in Lincoln Illinois Lincoln Christian University is a Christian higher education Community whose mission is to nurture and equip Christians with a Bible worldview to serve and lead in the church and the world Marshal's wife Claudia have been invo
lved in leadership Ministry for over 25 years they have two daughters Sydney and London London Marshall is a member of the San dieo Mountain Rescue Team are you still a member over there there I thought so he loves to bike swim run hike and Mountain climb welcome once again Marshall and uh we thank you for being here and uh we ask that you pray for the United States of America for the great state of California Santi and of course the city council and the uh the uh PR Pledge of Allegiance tonight
will be led by the mayor please rise for the invocation let's pray gracious God of heaven we we look to the mountains that surround us and we're reminded of your majesty and your power our greatest buildings are dwarfed by your creation Lord the scriptures teach us that you have made us in your image and so we do build and plan Lord I pray for our nation I pray for our state I pray for our city and I pray for our leaders I pray that we will always build and plan with your nature and mind so hel
p these leaders to be full of Mercy to live and lead for justice to guide us in paths that will honor you and care for the weak and Lord we thank you that you always do that and we pray in your mighty name amen amen thank you please join me I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to stand na indivisible liy and jusice for all thank [Music] you Marshall can you come up for a second sorry mayor thank you Marshall all right let's see we're going to have a proclamation to
night anybody here from the Little League I don't hear anybody must not be anybody here from Little League are you ready to come up front oops what I have to actually come up there yeah How about if you're here from the Lily come up front here stand right down here and I'll be down in just a minute didn't mean to scare yall squeeze in there with everybody else for you I'm only the M bunch of good looking fellas here all right why don't you come on squeeze on down here a little bit CU I know ther
e's somebody out here wants to take some pictures kids why don't you slide in front the adults little taller all right well I'll slide in the back too then how's that sound and we have two teams here right or two leagues West Hills and Santana right S I mean I mean San we get it we get it yeah that was a kind of a slip up there I'm used to you guys fighting that out all right one I have two uh proclamations here they they're both the same uh but you know nobody's going to be excluded both uh you
know leagues here are just as important as the other until the is a winner [Music] right did I say that out loud I'm sorry so here we go it's a Santi Proclamation whereas the little leagues in the city of Santi have come together to promote Youth Baseball for over 50 years and whereas the city of Santi honors and celebrates our baseball athletes both young and old who engage in American America's national Pastime for recreation or competition and whereas Little League believes in the power of Y
outh Baseball to teach life lessons that build stronger individuals and communities join together by one common goal encouraging friends families and communities to participate in the game of baseball thus creating a sustainable enthusiasm for the game that has produced countless family and Community bonding experiences looking over my shoulder you want to finish you happy help okay all right how am I doing so far okay thanks and whereas the sport of baseball teaches participants teamwork persev
erance leadership and sportsmanship and whereas Santi residents be benefit from participating uh between West Hills Little League Santi National Little League and the City of Santi allowing for the use of facilities such as West Hills Park and the various baseball fields used for practice and and play now therefore I John MTO mayor of the city of Santi on behalf of this wonderful Council behind me do hereby Proclaim March 2nd that's coming up in a couple days right all right as um get this littl
e league day can you imagine [Applause] that and along with that we're going to encourage Santi residents to engage in activities that promote baseball for social connection exercise and play for all ages all right who's going to accept these on behalf of each league okay and what's your name sir Mike Mike congratulations appreciate and Nathan on Nathan thank you for being here guys now um you want to come a little bit closer uh we have an official photographer any other moms or dads that want t
o come down here or are you already here come on up don't be shy stand right up here anywhere you need to be to take a [Music] picture oh we didn't want you in the picture why you take it me take it then come on over here didn't make room for you you're good I'm tall not compared to the guy in two doors down we good to go all right go Bas you're welcome thank you very much I know I feel slighted tonight I just say still time still time thanks all right that's the fun part of uh this job I have t
o admit I enjoy that a lot uh but let's get down to doing some uh business here and uh next thing up is a uh presentation by the East County Advanced water purification joint Powers Association on the East County Advanced water purification project it's a mouthful I know welcome thank you well good evening honorable mayor vice mayor and members of the city council my name is Rebecca Abbott engineering manager with Potter Dam Municipal Water District and the East County advanced water purificatio
n joint Powers Authority or jpa um thank you for the time this evening I'm here to provide you with an overview and an update on the East County awp project and a look ahead schedule with an interest in those areas where the Project's construction will be visible to the community in the coming months and year ahead what is the East County Advanced water purification project all about why are we doing this project project the East County awp project is a water reliability project that will create
a new local sustainable and drought prooof drinking water supply for East County it's about diversifying our Region's water supply and reducing our Reliance on imported water this project will create up to 30% of East County's drinking water demand the project includes construction of a new water recycling facility solids handling facility Advanced water purification facility uh near the site of Potter Dam's existing race Sawyer Water recycling facility from there the purified water will be tra
nsported 10 miles through a 24in steel purified water pipeline through fenita Parkway and Mast Boulevard through Lakeside uh where it will then be dechlorinated and dischar charged into Lake Jennings Reservoir the project also includes sewer pump stations and Sewer pipelines constructed deep underground underneath Carlton Oaks Golf Course through Santi lakes and up Venita Parkway uh to the new awp facilities a new potable or drinking water pipeline that will serve the new facilities and in the f
uture a sewer Rehabilitation and installation project on Mission Gorge Road uh west west of the 52 and 125 interchange going all the way to the city of San Diego Mission Valley area that project is under construction right now um and construction or I'm sorry under design right now and construction is at least a year out so our staff uh anticipates being back before the city council to give another update when we have more information about that project schedule um over the course of this calend
ar year in 2024 we anticipate making significant progress or continuing significant progress on the construction of the purified water Pipeline and the sewer pipelines in the community of Lakeside and the City of Santi in terms of the overall project schedule while there have been some uh contract days awarded early on in the project to address environmental and weather challenges related to the exceptionally wet rainy seasons and uh nesty bird excuse me nesting birds at and near our project sit
e our individual project managers are managing the schedules of the components of the project effectively to minimize significant program uh schedule impacts so the jpa is on track to meet our funding commitments with this project we anticipate commencing initial testing of the awp facilities in late 2025 and begin sending water to Lake Jennings thereafter in 2026 at which time most of the construction activities across the whole project will be winding down with the exception of the future SE s
ewer Rehabilitation on Mission Gorge Road West related to the pipeline work in fenita Parkway and Mast Boulevard this work is linear in nature and will be completed in segments uh generally over the course of this year pending any weather or other scheduled delays you will have noticed significant pipeline installation progress on the Eastern side of mass Boulevard and on fita Parkway north of Lake Canyon Road the purified water Pipeline and Sewer pipelines respectively have been installed in th
ese areas as shown and the roads are basic paved to allow for traffic access ahead of the final Paving of those roads which is up next for those segments more on Final Paving in a moment the contractor doing work on the purified water pipeline will continue generally east to west along Mast Boulevard and then on phita Parkway and the Stow Trail North of phita Parkway in segments throughout the summer and into the fall the contractor doing work on the sewer pipelines will simultaneously be comple
ting pipeline installation on phita Parkway and in Santi Lakes while this schedule has some flexibility it does also reflect quite a bit of coordination that the jpa is leading not just between our project's two contractors doing the pipeline work but also with the city's engineering and traffic engineering departments other local agencies and Community groups groups Outreach to Residents who live near the work and other contractors who may be doing work in and or for the city of Santi such as P
aving or storm drain Rehabilitation our goal is that with all the great work being done in the city the cumulative impacts the residents businesses and traffic are minimized as much as possible for the East County Advanced water purification project what that means is especially in the area where the two pipeline packages are overlapping in phita Parkway the work is being coordinated in a way that allows each contractor space to work completes the work as efficiently as possible and limits the c
ommunity impacts currently there's active construction at the new treatment facility site near fenita Parkway and Ganley Road in San lakes and on mass Boulevard near k Kaka Street specifically the work uh near kumaka street is being performed now in conjunction with Padre Dam to relocate a water line ahead of the purified water pipeline construction so that the pipeline is streamlined once it reaches this busy intersection after the pipelines are installed Paving will also be completed in segmen
ts the limits of which will be coordinated with the city's engineering department to balance the overall cost with any roadway impacts to the community a note about Paving on a project like this certain activities need to be completed before a segment is ready for final Paving after the trench is dug the pipe and valves are installed and sometimes this requires other utilities to relocate their facilities that are in the way of the pipeline alignment and that's actually the case on mass Boulevar
d East right now that road is base paved to allow for traffic access but it's it's not in its final condition this process helps us to ensure that all the work and any Associated issues that are identified through the qaqc process are addressed before final Paving so that we're not digging up a freshly paved road to get back in there and fix anything and do the final restoration twice the jpa has a team dedicated to community Outreach and program Communications public Outreach is comprehensive t
o all the components of this project with a focus on creating awareness and preparedness throughout the community particularly where construction activities are visible through the use of project signage construction update mailers and interactive website web map on our website um and more our website email and phone number will be on the next slide in case the project team needs to be contacted for any any reason with that I will say thank you again for the time and do my best to answer any que
stions you may have thank you very much um questions comments from staff or I mean uh Council thank you counc use your microphone just just good job we we talked at the last water board meeting so I appreciate you bring it forward thank you anybody else great thanks I really appreciate it it's been a while since we had an update so and I also want to make sure that everybody knows that president of the Padre Municipal Water District is here bill pommering in the back so sorry Bill I forgot about
you when I was making introduction so I appreciate it thank you very much and that takes us to uh the calendar and consent calendar um any items to be added deleted or reordered on the agenda Ron no or no I don't have anything Mr Mayor I'd like to see if we can reorder number eight and nine here 9 before eight tonight if you guys agree okay so um we would hear item number nine first is that what you're saying followed by item number eight is there any uh anyone that has an issue with that or ok
ay that's what we'll do we'll reorder those items as uh item number nine followed by number eight anything else vice mayor okay uh R nothing for me sir city manager nothing sir City attorney yes sir thank you any speaker slips none on consent sir thank you I have a motion to approve make second thank you please V turn my mic on sorry motion carried unanimously thank you that takes us to non-agenda public comment we have any speaker lips yes sir we have two speakers first one is Gina Austin a rem
inder to everybody have three minutes please welcome good evening mayor and council members my name is Gina Austin and I represent um an organization called Alco that is the association of licensed cannabis operators I'm not speaking on item seven don't worry um and I sent you all an email with some information about the significance of intoxicating hemp and the importance of getting a ban on that either through the regulations you're adopting currently in the near future with some additional re
gulations I took the liberty of helping Miss Sawa and provided some draft language for ordinances if you don't know what intoxicating hemp is it is what people have been creatively taking out of hemp which is legal under the farm bill and converting into an intoxicant so they take the CBD they manufacture it and they turn it into something else this package here of waterm melon Skittles uh I picked up at the smoke shop right next to Petco on my way in here these ones I've picked up in other plac
es the problem with this is there's no ageg gating there's no packaging requirements there's no testing there's nothing to keep this out of the hands of youths nor is there any stopping from putting it and being sold in in locations that are right next to schools in locations that you do not intend to allow cannabis operations and so what we're doing in a variety of cities throughout Southern California with a large Focus here in San Diego county is working with the local jurisdictions to help t
hem create regulations to ban intoxicating hemp and lessen until it's allowed through the regulated supply chain this Council has spent an enormous amount of time working on a very detailed ordinance to allow for cannabis operations within your city in certain limited areas with certain conditions if you allow that to move forward without regulating this what happens is those businesses have a very hard time of succeeding and you have something you never intended to allow continuing to operate s
o we're working with the local jurisdictions we're working with the city of elcone San Diego Chula Vista liong grve l Mesa Oceanside all of these jurisdictions have draft language the first city that'll be adopting the language uh hopefully we'll be going to Planning Commission which will be elone in March uh we also expect to be going to starting the process with a County uh board letter coming out in the near future to direct the um an ordinance as well as uh the city of San Diego going to pub
lic health and safety committee so I have available my contact information was in the E email to answer any questions you have I encourage this Council to move forward and ban this kind of stuff in your city to allow what is legal in this next speaker I have is Jack Sims welcome thank you sirate great information by the speaker there uh greetings uh thank you for your time this evening city council um my name is Jack Randall Sims two-term City Commissioner in the city of enenas so I'm your San D
iego County neighbor up to the north there I was appointed as a commissioner in inas by then mayor now Senator Katherine Blakes beam I got to know through advocating at insen City Hall meetings for the creation of ordinance to provide license or regulation and tax for cannabis businesses in the city and S voters approved the proposed City cannabis ordinance in 2020 so you fast forward four years later and the first legal cannabis businesses are beginning to open there making my city a safer plac
e in creating Municipal revenue and jobs I want to take this opportunity to thank you and to thank the citizens for welcoming cannabis businesses to Santi there's a lot of preconceived ideas as to what that will mean for the community three points of fact one legal cannabis businesses helped to keep cannabis out of the hands of those who shouldn't use it most notably children whose brains are still forming in their teenage years two legal cannabis takes the plant out of the parks and streets and
puts in a legal framework which creates revenue for Community Improvement and three Beyond recreational use actual patients who need cannabis for important medical relief are able to get a state tested and regulated product that's consistent with their medical needs so speaking of these medical patients and needs I'd like to wrap up here by sharing two of many positive anecdotal experiences I've had with cannabis the first involves a patient named Marjorie M and she is actually a resident of yo
ur fine city of Santi margorie is in her late 60s and had a surgery in 2016 for a broken hip which left her in chronic pain she was treating the pain with a cocktail prescription painkillers margorie was recommended to a medically licensed delivery service operated by a doctor in San Diego and supplied her with a non- psychoactive CBD tincture the solution had a THC concentration of about 4% which is enough to activate the CBD but not create any psychoactive effects the results were palpable she
discontinued use of methadone and trimmed Vicodin intake 70% the second antidote is personal and involves my father who's in his mid 80s and was having trouble walking and sleeping due to severe hip and knee pain he lives in Texas and had tried hemp based CBD that he got at a grocery store but it didn't do anything for the pain he was visiting me in in enus in 2021 and obtained for I obtained for him a CBD tincture that was similarly nonso psychoactive with a concentration of about 3.5% I was c
onfident this brand would not get him high because the product is State regulated thoroughly tested and 100% consistent the results were phenomenal his pain disappeared when he uses the tincture combined with uh a bomb that he uses he now travels out here to California regularly to purchas it for himself to purchase it for himself thankfully your citizens can access this natural medicine by just driving down the road to the city of San Diego or other cities around here but in this case they're p
utting obviously those tax dollars into San Diego's C not the city of Santi with this ordinance you've now provided your citizens access to these needs in your city to these meds in your city while the community receives the benefit of their tax dollars which leads to economic development in this community thank you for your time have a nice evening thank you no further speaker sir thank you that takes us to item number six which is a continued public hearing to assess Community Development need
s and to solicit proposals for program year 2024 Community Development block grant or cdbg and home program funding consistent with the Consolidated plan and finding the action is not project a project subject to the California Environmental Quality act bill okay good evening mayor MTO vice mayor Trotter and city council members at next slide here tonight's public hearing is a continuation of the February 14th hearing and its purpose is to allocate cdbg program funding for program year 2024 this
slide shows the six applicants that were received for public services the amounts they requested and the amounts the applicants were allocated in the current program year based on our estimates of the program year 2024 allocation $4,990 is available to allocate to these six or less applicants the resolution included in the city council item direct staff to proportionately adjust up or down the amounts allocated tonight for the draft program year 2024 annual action plan based on the actual amoun
t of the cdbg grant received this adjustment would also play uh apply to Administration and public infrastructure um allocations this slide shows the proposed administrative activities um the amounts requested and the amounts these applicants were allocated in the current year and finally this show slide shows the proposed public facilities infrastructure funding the proposed Citywide Ada pedestrian Grant project the amount allocates allocated towards the future phase of this project is dependen
t upon the amount Ed to the home of guiding hands for their proposed concrete pathway and yard Improvement uh at their group home on Regina's Court this concludes my report the next step in the process would be to complete the allocation worksheets so we we will begin when you're ready no public speakers Council um is anybody here from the home with guiding hands can I ask a question real quick please come forward and please give us your name for the just so we have it in record good evening Fel
ix lente grant writer at home of guiding hands thank you um hey Felix I saw that you're looking for 15,000 I saw that there's also 8,000 for other things M um have you applied anywhere else for a grant or just does uh for this redus Corp project no we have applied for other residential homes for cdbg at elcone and other foundations okay have you um I saw one bid that was kind of poorly sent to me but I did see it and uh did did you get other bids or did we just get one and that was it uh I can a
cquire other bids okay well you didn't then right uh I don't have them now no sir in the future if you're bringing things like this forward I would like to at least see two bids yes sir um I did review it though and it does look okay but um I was a little disappointed in the in the way it was presented so I apologize nothing for you okay thank you appreciate it very much thank you okay um just as a a reminder what we can do is on each one of these areas we can go ahead and put in our numbers and
agree to them and then at the end we will do an overall um motion and acceptance of that does that work for you uh Sean yeah that's right so basically on each one you'll take an inter action to approve the allocation and then you'll do one action that approves all three of the allocations together and what we'll do is uh we'll fill this in as we go along and um so uh we'll be able to see uh where we are for each one and and looks like we're going to do the Public Services activities first is th
at correct we can start whatever you'd like we might as well go ahead and do this unless you guys want to Trail it until the end good all right let's go and uh vice mayor do you want to go first yes sir all right uh 5,000 for Elder help uh zero on the more Home Project 5,000 for Meals on Wheels 25,990 for the food bank 5,000 for Santi Santas 5,000 for voices of children okay and um rob you sure we are only off by a th000 bucks so so um I'm I'm actually fine with exactly what you did we're litera
lly off by the allocation of the 990 there's a there's a saying that great minds think Alik and then there's us I know we're just getting lucky yeah whoops yeah control V not just V I know we used Excel before just forgot okay all right uh Ron all right um 5,000 for Elder help I'm willing to give $1,000 for the home project um meals and wheels I think I have 4,000 uh $259.90 I went with that on the Santi Food Bank 4,000 for Santi Santa invoices of children I wanted to do 6,000 whoops that's too
much we don't have that much ready for me yes okay uh 6,000 Elder help zero uh 5,000 for Mees on wheels 22,900 for Santi Food Bank 5,000 for Santi Santa and 7,000 for voices for children 22990 229 9 22900 oh 990 sorry okay can't read my own writing all right let me see what we have here all right we uh since we have a uh consensus or or majority on Elder help I'll do 5,000 there and we have a majority for Mills on Wills so I'll do the 5,000 in there we have a majority for the Santi food bank at
25990 so we'll go that same there and we have a consensus on uh Santi santz for [Music] 5,000 okay so we have well let's see who do I want to uh uh yeah let's uh I'm going to stay at zero on the home home more project okay and then we'll uh put the 5,000 on voices for children so that will give us a consensus there for that one and and I'll my move my figures to match it you mean to match the mayor yeah to match the others oops that's correct okay all right then so then let's go ahead and move o
n to the next one will you just move to approve that oh oh okay I'll make a motion motion second all right please vote got toe myself thanks counselor motion carries unanimously you knew where we were going yeah okay let's go to this one next all right let's do the administrative activities yeah let's go in the same order do $4,320 and 21,000 I think okay well let's just do that then is everybody everyone's in agreement agreement this agreement okay stend staff uh second motion and second to app
rove the recommendation please vote okay motion carries unanimously okay you want to start us off on this uh next one yes sir well that's wait till we get it you going to do something different yeah we'll go to public facilities there we go DUS um on the Citywide ada8 pedestrian ramp 2004 442 204 what's next I'm go with okay pardon me I'm going to go with 189 442 and 15,000 Ron I actually I had one 194 442 10,000 194 199 it's 194 one I did that earlier okay nor 189 442 and 15,000 and I'm on the
uh 189 442 15,000 so that shows that uh we have a consensus have a consensus please do I have motion to approve the consensus vote second I have a motion in second please vote motion carries with four eyes yes you voted no on that thank you um I just want to save it then we uh do have a motion to uh approve the uh all three items for the I'll make the motion to approve all three items I'll second it thank you please vote thank you motion carries unanimously thank you very much and thanks for com
ing out whoever came out tonight to hear on this that takes us to item number seven which is a public hearing and introduction and first reading of an ordinance amending chapter 7.04 of title 7 public peace morals and Welfare case File zebra ocean Adam to allow cannabis manufacturing a standalone use in the light industrial and general industrial zones and finding the ordinance as covered by the previously adopted mitigated negative declaration for the Santi Canabis business ordinance pursued to
the California in Environmental Quality act Mr Mayor I need to recuse myself from this item okay thank you Christin if that's all it takes we should have this more often exactly you take your time on this we don't have to listen to Des good evening mayor and council members this item is a public hearing and introduction and first reading of an ordinance amending title 7 to allow cannabis manufacturing as a standalone use in the light industrial and general industrial zones and to prohibit the m
anufacturing of volatile materials in August 2022 Council adopted the Cannabis ordinance and in January of this year city council directed staff to amend title 7 to allow cannabis manufacturing as a standalone use in the light industrial and general industrial zones and to prohibit the manufacturing of volatile materials uh those top three sections would be revised to allow manufacturing as a standalone use And to clarify that manufacturing does not include volatile materials section 7.04 290 um
would be revised to add manufacturing nonvolatile only to the zoning and location requirements and section 7. 0 4.39 would be revised to clarify the operating requirements for Distributors staff recommends that Council open and conduct the public hearing on the ordinance amending title 7 and introduce and conduct the first reading of the ordinance and set the second reading for the ordinance for March 13 2024 and that concludes staff's presentation thank you but before we go on to public commen
t though I do want to say that um or ask this means that uh they have to qualify in the same zones as uh you know retailers correct they can't be outside or within the 900 foot yes okay so want to make sure we get that on record and then also just to uh some people ask what kind of manufacturing would be volatile well we heard earlier about um uh some of the hash that's being um used out there some people will take hash and use flammables to withdraw the Cannabis just for those who don't know an
d the THC and that can be very vulnerable those usually hear about those things blowing up houses and stuff they use butane or other types of fluid in order to do that so just so people know that we are going to make sure that we do not have any of that being used in our city so let's go to um speaker slips first Speaker Gina Austin welcome back hi once again my name is Gina Austin uh I commend the city for really a lot of hard work on this ordinance um two pieces of information that you may not
be aware of uh distribution is being prohibited unless it's part of a micro business a micro business under state law requires three uses that means that you couldn't have distribution you couldn't self-distribute as a manufacturer you can be a manufacturer but you've got to go hire somebody else to distribute that that may not be what you want long term obviously not something you probably want to deal with right this moment note that the city of San Diego has 20 available manufacturing produc
tion facility licenses available today that somebody could go in for so there's not a high demand for it and if you don't allow distribution you may be allowing this for not just to let you know the second comment um relates to actually back to my public comment which I didn't think I was going to be able to speak on here but on section 7.4.1 100 maximum number of types of licenses there's an added section for clarification purposes which says all other cannabis uses are prohib hited because can
nabis uses are not hemp uses this does not prohibit that and a little tweak that to that language might give you just enough to have some sort of enforcement ability in the beginning without major revisions to your ordinance again we are in support of this and um just wanted to bring those to your attention thank you next speaker is AJ TOA as coming up Sandy make sure you make a note of that that last comment let's talk about that again later thank you is this seven oh yes okay that was in the w
rong slot sorry no further speaker sir oh great thank you okay um who wants to lead off uh I will okay motion to approve any other comments or questions I just want to mayor council member MC nelis' comment about adding some language about hemp use because we weren't aware yeah I sent that to Sean earlier the email so yeah um mayor and members of council will'll certainly take a look at that and U assess it and bring back recommendations thank you then I'll second the motion all right I have a m
otion second please vote I just missed Vice M troter that me curi with three eyes okay you want to wait for him or get started oh of course we have to wait okay item number eight you can come back now man I had to asked twice he was eating my burrito sir it's item nine item nine that's what I said isn't it you said eight oh I mean you said nine you're correct you know you may go far yet all right that takes item number nine which is general fund Reserve policy discussion Heather good evening Mr
Mayor Mr vice mayor and and city council members uh tonight we am bringing forward for your review and discussion a um presentation on the general fund Reserve policy so um we'll go through tonight what the purpose of the general fund Reserve is some background about Santi um some discussion about the different types of reserves available or out there and then I am looking for recommendations from you alls to and then I will come back with a policy based on your recommendations so the general fu
nd Reserve is is like the picture there it's basically a rainy day fund um it assists the city in mitigating Risk by protecting the city financially during economic downturns or unexpected emergencies it also provides liquidity and establishes City Credit worthiness the purpose of tonight's discussion is to memorialize the city's Reserve policy into a formal council adopted policy if desired additionally take the opportunity to revisit the city's Reserve practice and make any updates also if des
ired so a little bit of background about the city of Santi um we currently the Santi currently has a 20% general fund Reserve policy and since its incorporation the city has made having a healthy reserve a priority over the last 20 years the reserve policy has been met except for 3 years due to extreme Financial events in 2012 12 2013 and 2014 the city was actually hit with a onew punch the first punch was in9 which was the Great Recession uh property tax and sales tax our two largest revenue so
urces were very negatively affected um the city was still able to keep above the 20% Reserve excuse me but in 2012 with the dissolution of Redevelopment the general fund um absorbed many of the costs of the former sansy Community Development commission so it was that was the the second punch um so uh the reserve is adopted each year through the budget resolution so the city has other funds that have quasi reserves and I wanted to just let you know about these as well um we have a workers compens
ation fund with $1.2 million in it this fund um the amount is is an Actuarial calculation of outstanding liability outstanding liabilities any current year work workers comp expenditures are actually budgeted and paid for in the department budgets so we do not touch this this this balance but it's there if we need to the same is true with the risk liability fund the balance there is 271,000 we also have a vehicle replacement fund with a unrestricted fund balance which is available for emergencie
s of 700,000 we did dip into this a little bit in the last couple of years with all of the the increasing costs for vehicles um so it was it was available for for the for that use um we added this year a technology replacement fund um we are planning on an annual allocation and this this fund would cover Citywide it hardware and software updates so a little bit you know uh steady allocations for the big expenditures down the road so having having these re these quasi reserves helped protect the
general fund from unforeseen events and provide solid financial planning so as mentioned in the first Slide the purpose of tonight's discussion is to memorialize the city's Reserve policy into a council adopted policy incorporating the government Finance Finance Officers Association recommendation these um recommendations on the slide um are what gfoa considers to be the best practice of a general fund Reserve policy um within the policy the type and level of Reserve should be identified um that
that Reserve amount should take into effect revenue and expenditure extremes infrastructure potential infrastructure failures natural disaster extreme events and then the need for liquidity the policy should also address circumstances warranting warranting the use of funds what is the trigger is it a council majority vote in addition um a replenishment plan should be in the policy so that when F Reserve funds are depleted um there's a plan to to restore them a typical replenishment plan is one
to two one to three years but can vary depending on on the circumstances and how many funds were depleted and a reserve minimum should be 16.67% which which equates to two months of expenditures so there are different different types of reserves and depending on council's goals um you could basically do any type of Reserve that you that you wanted these three right these three on this slide are the most common reserves um the operating Reserve is your basic Reserve it's applicable to any type of
circumstance circumstance disaster recession Etc it's your basic Reserve um then there is an economic contingency reserve which would be specific for significant revenue losses or other large economic events this would typically have an economic trigger um I consider this to be an add-on Reserve smaller in size than an operating Reserve this would be used before in a in a in a situation where revenues were significantly lower and and funds were needed this would be used before dipping into an o
perating Reserve uh catastrophic event Reserve is also an add-on Reserve ve um this would be restricted for catastrophic events natural disasters cyber threats anything of that nature um the trigger would most likely be the de Declaration of an emergency um and it's also worth noting that these reserves are buildable they can be built up over time depending on the funds available they don't need to be funded right away they're they can be built up over through over the years so the next topic ar
e assignments um assignments are not necessarily reserved they're they're different in that they're intended to be spent at a later date um so an assignment is kind of like a rule applied to excess unrestricted fund balance it can be used to build up funding for a future program or project um build up funding to fund a reserve um typically a percentage of the Surplus or an identified dollar amount is stated common types of assignments unfunded liabilities um CIP projects deferred maintenance so
this is a sample of um some of there's eight San Diego County cities and three California cities um and you can see that most cities do have an operating Reserve there's about half that have an economic contingency reserve and then in this sampling only one has a catastrophic event reserve the um columns with the green um green titles there um those are basically assignments so um these These are definitely would be spent at a later date so with that um like to present staff recommendations um s
taff would like um you to provide Direction regarding the following items related to the general fund Reserve policy the types and level of funding triggers what triggers the use of the reserve fund uh a replenishment plan and discuss any assignments and staff will return with a reserve policy for City council's consideration incorporating the direction given this evening and it it also should be noted that the current Reserve that we have is is a good reserve and it's it's very solid and if if
Council doesn't want to change anything that is okay too thank you we do not have any speaker slips on this um vice mayor do you want to go first on on this no Rob how about you I will all right former vice mayor okay all right I have a lot of notes sorry um I do have some experience actually with uh this kind of funding and it and and I applaud staff we actually have a good system in a solid system in place um I do want to change it though yeah I want to enhance it uh is what I'll say so um I t
hought a lot about this and that's why I asked Heather to pull some data for all of us basically where we were each fiscal year for the last 20 years how much we had in our reserves so that's that list um and I think what we need is a couple of things one a a budgetary allocation so I like the 20% I'll start with saying that um but then add a budgetary allocation so this would be a line item in the annual budget specifically designated for replenishing the reserve fund this demonstrates a commit
ment to rebuilding the reserve and ensures that it receives priority consideration during the bud budgeting process and for right now it could be zero because we're not in that situation but we should if we don't already have some kind of line item to say we're going to replenish when we dip into this Reserve fund we should have it um and the reason why I say that is you know when we do go back to the actual midyear budget um what what I found in these last couple years is that we have our Counc
il priorities sorry if you can't hear me we have our Council priorities and then we have this budget review and we discuss it and then something will come up that we didn't anticipate and what comes to mind is how much um the lighting at the ball ball fields cost and I think the initial estimate was somewhere around 700,000 and I think it was closer to $2 million in my mind that is an unfunded thing that should come that money should have come from the reserve the 20% res reserve and then we hav
e a policy in place to replenish the reserve because that wasn't one of our priorities it wasn't a line item in a budget we could review anywhere and it was what you call an emergency whether it be capital or whatever so that's why I say add the line item so we have a way to look back to that um this is somewhat related to to this process but I don't know if we have a routine debt management process in place already so um do we have existing debt that re we re refinance uh to secure more favorab
le terms or uh the city currently does not have any any long-term debt the only debt that we actually have are capital leases will we have one when we do the community center uh I don't think so Okay no Okay um and then then of of course the reserve replenishment policy so establish a formal policy or guideline outlining the conditions and mechanisms for replenishing the reserve fund um and I have a few examples so there's an annual Surplus allocation idea which is say our Reserve policy is 20%
um and then we can allocate any portion of any annual budget surplus to replenish the reserve fund if we have a deficit based on some unforeseen circumstance um but the challenge into that model is that you know you have to dip into reserves and if you're if you have some kind of emercy situation where like a lot of people probably have the same one so I don't really think that the annual Surplus allocation would work but maybe an incremental replacement or replenishment would work um and this i
s establish a schedule for incremental replenishment of the reserve fund for a specific period And I like the idea of over three years I think that's manageable allocate a predetermined amount each year from the general fund budget to replenish the reserve until it reaches the target level so for example allocate 1% of the operating budget each year for 3 years to rep replenish the reserve fund um and I think that's more realistic because it allows for um budget cut triggers which if we were in
that situation then every Department would have to look at budget cuts to replenish the reserve and I don't know if that we've ever had to do that so and and that would become part of our strategic recovery plan and um let's see so I this is the formula that I wrote um based on the 20 years it seems like the sweet spot for us is that is that 22% that we have so um at 22% 1% of this fund once we hit 22% our our Reserve is 20 but once we hit 22% 1% of that Surplus would go fund our line item that
I mentioned before but then we would have a ceiling of 5% on it and the reason I say that is because you don't want to build that up to just infinity and I think the council likes to be able to address annual needs annually while we have the money as I always remember you said fix the roads when you have the money right when we first started when I first started so I don't want to just say put everything extra into this you know Reserve replenishment fund but at least when we're at 22% the trigg
er is now we put 1% into that and we have have some money there in case we have an emergency and then once it hits 5% in that Reserve then all the extra above and beyond that goes to annual needs and I say that because this year we're at 31% so we could hit the 22% put us 1% aside and still have money to work with tonight so that's my formula did you want to Max that out per year or just it's 1% a year maxed at 5% whenever you know if if we have 5 years of over 22% we have 5 million do we want t
o Max it maybe 500,000 or do you want to just 1% just 1% okay which is that um okay um you know I like the 20% frankly I'm looking at Poway which you know drooling over Poway but uh 45% but I'm also looking at 15% and I know the way MTS is U with their reserves so what's theirs uh they're going to be broke in five years um but other than that they're usually about 12 so uh so basically we'll I think if we stayed at 20 I kind of like part of what your idea it to but I'd like to put some kind of c
ap on it but I'm I'm okay with your plan there other than that all right thank you uh I have a question though um on the city of Santi background um on slide number five um we point out the um reserves of for instance workers compensation risk liability and vehicle replacement and Technology replacement fund which doesn't have a number yet my question is basically are these restricted funds are and or can they um be spent down if we don't want to like I'm just taking the big number let's say tha
t we're short someplace because of uh needs could we take that 1.2 million or a portion of that 1.2 million or are we making those restricted so that they are there to cover those liabilities for obvious reasons in this one you want to make sure that you're always covering your uh liability uh which is obviously the um po uh comp workers compensation Etc does that question make sense the way I put it for workers compensation and risk I would I would actually um well let me back up they're not th
ey're not restricted by law or legally restricted or or or by Council um but they are kind of like insurance so they are our insurance policy um I I would not um recommend spending those for sure but um the vehicle replacement that is um not restricted not restricted either but is is a cushion for an emergency okay well the reason why I'm asking that question oh and also would that be the same on uh slide number eight where we went into general fund uh Reserve discussion and the assignments and
rules and things of that nature because we oops um well this is uh where I made this note it says uh general fund Reserve discussion there we go um so because it it's also talking about building programs and and I think that's kind of the same thing that we were talking on that previous slide about the liabilities and and all that kind of stuff because I think that if we do create a policy we should create a policy that says these are restricted funds and that's so that um you don't you really d
on't have to think about it you know you're not taking money from there because I say in you know five years or 10 years it's a different Council they haven't been through this there you know some of the staff has gone doesn't really remember the um discussion that was had today and they're going to go oh well we got $1.2 million and somebody didn't catch anywhere we didn't have a um policy on it and they go let's spend that money we got it and I think that's where some governments get in troubl
e because they spend money that they've been saving for their rainy day and we never know what the state of California is going to do by hitting us up for our Calpers I should say or even you know as far as workers comp what are they going to hit us up with next so I think that deciding on a policy to restrict those funds for what they were meant for is a good idea and and then and I have a question about workman's comp because I agree with that but I think in the budget part it shows three diff
erent areas we're over that we have to take from the Surplus that we have right now to cover some workman's comp so in the current for for the current year we budget all of our projected workers comp costs and our actual costs in the department budget so we don't touch the 1.2 that that just sits there all by itself no ins and outs or anything we just we budget for the current year and we pay the current year so what you're seeing in the mid year is just the increase from what our projection was
to what the actuals are great and we ever go to the workman's comp 1.2 million then no it's it's there only it's there for an emergency it's and it's the Actuarial calculated um our liability and it's it's also the fact that we have that that amount in that fund helps with our calculation for um for on our financial State statements liability it helps with that because it kind of offsets it and my guess is that the reason why we would call that a um insurance policy is if we have uh someone who
is U maybe gets killed in line of duty whether it's firefighters or otherwise and uh there could be some kind of liability brought forward somebody could say that uh you know we you know didn't do something right as far as safety goes or what ever and then um so they're going to make a big uh claim on workers comp and we have to be Pro you know ready for that now it might be a little bit different the way I you know from what I describe but you know my experience is that um you know families wh
o are injured by something that happens to a loved one on the job are looking to be compensated any way they can and we have to be prepared for that and so that's why um another reason why I would want that restricted I definitely want it restricted but I just that's is that how this fund would be used if there was some crazy amount or you just using it to get the the front end rate well I I mean we use it to to have that backup in case in case something does happen um so it's kind of a buffer f
or the general fund um just an added layer of buffer and then we use it also for ating the rate have we ever dipped into that fund not that I'm aware of um I in the past um say four years we've been adding to it um we've added um I think it was in 2022 we added 200,000 to it I think 2023 we added 150,000 to it to get it up to that 1.2 which matched our Actuarial liability but is I don't think that we have dipped into to it at least if it hasn't been anytime lately Heather can you give us an exam
ple of when that would be used just so we're all on the same page not guessing when when would that money be used when when would we have to use that what is a scenario I would think that if we were in a very bad um budget scenario and we were we were out of money or we needed it for for um that was a way to pay make the payment it's kind of like a an add-on Reserve where we would use it for for workers comp claim that we you know if we needed to okay that's but we would have to be pretty you kn
ow F fiscally you know depleted yeah depleted yeah yeah fair enough thank you great and and then um also for me I always like having more in my bank account than what I think I'm going to ever need So 20% yeah well that sounds good 25 sounds good 45 maybe a little bit excessive uh got it well if you have it um but I think that um that reaching for a little bit higher goal maybe even a 22% 23% is uh better uh because you just you never know what's going to happen and today I think was what two uh
two months worth of uh res Reserve would cover certain things I think that was as a minimum yeah the 16 16.67% is the the recommended minimum right uh but I'm thinking bigger than the you know the minimum um because I know that if if I'm just thinking about my household needs and I don't have a savings which a reserve account really is kind of I think that's uh I'm really doing my myself a disservice so I don't want to do a disservice to the community and then also as far as uh some of the thin
gs that we do um I think we should have a designated amount of money that gets uh put away um every time you know there's a um you know uh there's money that's been released uh for instance and um that could cover Capital Improvements projects doesn't mean that we have to spend it every single time but uh for failures I know that we we've talked about this before you have failures in streets or other things that cause a high level of um monetary damage for La a better term yeah remember on oh ye
ah hurl Street we had that big sinkhole yep um the only thing that we got lucky on there is the fact that Audrey Dam had to pay for it because it was their failure but what if that was our failure and um that was devastating would have been very devastating and probably may even went through a big chunk of that Reserve oh yeah yeah because you remember that oh I totally do and I remember times where we we did have 22 and 23% in reserves um you know but here's my other side of that if that's okay
okay my other side of that is and I understand what everybody saying over here we've got to have reserves and 20% has been kind of our minimum uh that we've utilized in the past as as our as our goal minimum um more is always better but the reality is we we have work to do now like we we have work to do now we have roads that need to be paved now we have uh some of our parks that need repair already now we have as we're talking about the uh we're going to be talking about the community center t
hat needs help now we've got uh the as the asro turf for the the Synthetic Turf at in town center Community Park East needs repair now there's a number of things that that we really because we unfortunately didn't do a put a lot of money into these things in the past we are paying a little bit more for that now we've been blessed to have a little bit of an excess at this moment that we maybe should be utilizing to take care of these issues so they don't they don't fester and get even worse into
the future um I like the 20% budget as it is right the 20% Reserve as it is the more I mean I understand restricting it to catastrophe and all right we've got to have a majority vote of the council in order to to go past that 20% Reserve uh minimum I'm fine with that but until we have these other things taken care of I don't I don't see putting more money into that Reserve until we've taken care of the issues that are eminent right now uh that's my actual concern the longer we wait to do that st
uff because we want to put extra money away the more it's going to cost us in the near future to take care of it then and so I you know I prefer to pretty much keep it the way it is if you want to add a restriction to uh the liability fund and or the workers comp fund and and the other kind the other two funds you want to add a restriction to those that are already in in budget and done and already uh uh calculated for totally fine with that as well um but and once again a a written policy of it
takes a majority of the council to approve going into the reserve fund at any time um I don't think we need to go into well it has to be a declared catastrophe we have to do this once you start restricting it too much then it gets very convoluted in my opinion so a majority of the council that says hey yep we need this for whatever reason may that may come up I'm totally fine with that but other than that I think we you know instead of putting more money away then we need to spend the money tha
t we've got over and above our reserves to take care of the things that we're supposed to be taking care of as council members well streets holes I'm not in disagreement with you it's just I'm looking for a better way to um account for it because what I feel like is that our Council priorities you know get knocked down because something like you know this synthetic Turf item comes up and that's 660,000 or the the ball field lights or whatever it may be and um I I'm looking at you know the counci
l priorities that we all agreed on one is the future Financial software upgrade and we need to do that and I don't know if that it's fully funded and maybe and so we need so if if a item comes before us that's $660,000 and we're all going oh my gosh you know there should be a process in place to to move that money from the reserve because that shouldn't impact our Council priorities that's what that's where I'm coming from so there there's that you know Big Rock Park we've $770,000 there there's
been some small financial investments very minor not not even probably $100,000 um but we you know after the community center is done we know we have to do that next but this one will now jump those two items and and the community center is one of ours and I think the the development impact fee studies all funded and done but you know I just want to make sure that we're always staying on track with our our Council priorities which most mostly we are but when we have a wild card throwing in we d
on't have a process in place to address that so that's what I'm looking to do and that's what that's way I came up with the 22% just based on 20- year averages and this and that the other thing to make sure that okay well if something does come up that we all didn't know about but we have to take care of it moving forward we we don't lose our priorities and we still have a way to replenish that fund over three years um through the budget process instead of a surprise right now I think we've kind
of been doing that though haven't we no no well in in some ways right yeah it's kind of a yes and no um and the reason why it's a yes because staff has done such a great job of making sure that we don't overspend um and um and the other side of no is because there's nothing written down and so U so anyways I I think there's some very good discussion that we've had here tonight great ideas uh and that's that's what's so cool about what we do is having our ideas shared my only question now is uh
see manag did you do you have anything to add and also um have you heard and I didn't think you were going to say anything you told me no you asked if I want to speak first say he didn't want to speak yeah I stand correct I'll sit corrected how's that sound you know go ahead yes sir thank you all right so you know this this has been a big a big deal budgets you know for the last three years we talked a lot about this and a lot of things that we haven't um haven't been put in money way for I have
n't had a plan for and priorities right it's all these different terms in there spent a lot of time thinking about this and that's why I asked to have this go first because it does affect our next discussion with our you know midyear budget and our budget going forward in in the new fiscal year um there's I do believe that we need a policy for this I I think it's something that that we need to create it's something that that should be in place U so Heather thank you for bringing this forward bec
ause it it's we're there right but I I'm I'm good with the 20% also I thought a lot about this you know going up going down it's always good to have more money it's always good to save more money it's it's it's a blessing that we have a a a um extra money in our reserves today right but we also just like you talked about Rob priorities of fixing roads and Public Safety things like that we also have an obligation to spend the people's money too you know to to fund what is expected with the with t
he tax money and the dollars that are brought into the city from sales tax and and property tax revenue and those expectations you know start at those top things I just mentioned Paving the roads and Public Safety and we go down from there when we hit priorities the city the constituents expect us to put these dollars back into the City and if the more that we hold on to them and hold on to them that's not pertinent on us as much as I don't like that being physically conservative you know it the
re's a balance that we have to figure out what's what's good for the people what's good for us in there um Laura I want to go back if you don't mind indulging me here a little bit on this budget budgetary allocation and surplus because I think you're on to something there and I and I was trying to just make sure that I'm understanding it all the way through the replenish part of it I agree with you three years that I you know you can't replenish something in one year it just doesn't work right y
ou have to have necessarily necessarily so I think the three-year timeline to replenish something if we dip under whatever that that threshold is have a maximum in there um I didn't understand the routine debt management part of it that that I didn't fully I don't know if that's part was just more of a question or um I wrote a question mark next to it we're good we're good all right so budgetary allocation annual Surplus can you give me another recap here like what you what that means I guess it
so the annual Surplus um that was one of the options and I I don't think M so I'm sorry it's not I don't think that's the best option I think I'm leaning towards incremental replenishment which is kind of what we just talked about and what I mean by that by that is so we have the 20% Reserve at 22% which that's why I looked at 20 years how many times did we go 222% or more so as our reserves increases we put 1% in that line item that I talked about for $660,000 for blah blah blah and then 23 24
25 26 all I'm missing that line item too I get that I get I'm missing line item so this is an assignment like a separate fund like a um [Music] I just said we would add a budgetary a line item in the annual budget spe specifically designated for replenishing the reserve fund and and that's where that 1% would go that L that 1% goes because so it it actually it starts with what you were talking about at the beginning is not taking the money out of the general fund not taking it from another sour
ce when we have a unforeseen thing you take it out of Reserve first and not out of again the general fund or another s a pool taken away from a CIP project or something else and then as we dip down we need to replenish it okay right it's just it's procedure yes no shoot fund yeah I I thought I understood most of but I just really wanted to get that out there because I think you're on to something there I think it's it's important that we have a process to replenish it number one if we do dip dow
n but the process of how we how we allocate the funds I mean that's really what this all a lot of this comes down to is how do we take where do we get the money from to do what we have to do so what's 1% of the budget be 580,000 okay roughly so yeah that's one year of unfunded thing almost I mean two years that unfunded issue that we have that doesn't align with our top 10 Council priorities or anything that we've seen in the budget that we've approved over the last year it's a it's a wild card
as there would be a process in place what what hap to your point um vice mayor trer is what happens when these things happen and they do happen so I'm not it's not about that it's that another department has to cut cut cut to make up for this thing that n none of us budgeted for and and that's the whole point of a reserve which is why we this is how we've used the reserve it's just we haven't had well we actually we have well yeah I mean they and it's and money then we find money to put it back
in in other ways later down the road it's but so you're you're proposing a a new line item in the budget the just in case fund right and I say and I'm saying this year at zero well maybe not zero dollars because we do have this thing in there but and anytime we all of it now fair enough anytime we go over 22% 1% goes in there okay and that's it until it and when that fund reaches 5% of the overall budget of the overall budget no more funds go into that it's capped and mayor M you mentioned somet
hing about designated money put away that is that similar to to this restricted funds very very s similar it's it's where you just it's said you can like for instance we're going to buy water and we're not buying anything else with that money so that means you're not buying soda pop without water with what that money I mean thanks you know I you know we obviously have a we talked about the last discussion right we have major issues with our facilities um either being under maintenance or not bei
ng built um you know for uh Public Safety and things so you talk about you know a plan to how do we get money in the future because you know they're we're going to talk about it here in the next item the the turf the Synthetic Turf you know we have to replace this this turf at Town Center Park um that was built put in what 14 15 years ago 16 years ago whatever it was that has a life expect you know 10 years right and we don't have any dollars like you said in a fund to replace it and this is you
know everything has life we're going to get to that in a minute but until I get too far into that but I mean that's some of the con the conversation I get what we're talking about right it's why I wanted to have this conversation a little bit before because it does affect you know possibly some of the things going forward in theory of percentages and numbers of what we're above our our standard policy today right right now CU nobody nobody wants to think of those things when they're brand new b
ecause they're brand new and so hey okay they're brand new we don't have to worry about the maintenance of it but over time it's going to not be brand new our it happened to our roads which is why we're dealing with what we're dealing with now when the city of Santi was incorporated 1980 it was all brand new I mean and it's been we've had brand new roads built since then and many of them last 20 years trying to get to your more of your uh questions here Heather I apologize so I'm more in favor o
f keeping up the 20% um as I've looked at the up and down and in the advantage and the disadvantages you know that the type of policy that we use today this uh I don't know what the term was I forgot now draw a blank whatever the type we use today it gives us the most flexibility in in what we do and we got to make sure that we are flexible enough to to do what we have to do we don't over enumber cumber ourselves that and restrict ourselves too much right it what I'm worried about right that we
have to make sure that we are again we're not hand tied we not hand tied but we're being pertinent with the people's money we're we're doing the right prudent that's what I'm going to say thank you uh so I'm the 20% um Heather I you asked about the rep if we do an replenishment replenishment fund or our plan one to threee standard I think makes a lot of sense um the majority Council vote for any circumstances warranting the funds absolutely I think there has to be a you know a majority vote um b
y the the council to dip into a fund or use funds or or anything in the above um somewhat what way we do it right now is the right or is a good way that we're doing it I think we do need to memorialize it though in in a policy here um I think it'll help not only us it help in the future um from my understanding it'll help actually our financial position a little bit more that we have we have a a real we have a formalized policy that we can utilize to show the strength of the city's you know fina
nces and stuff too so so if I could say this that uh cuz I want to hear from uh city manager though but I I think so far where we've gone with this there's a lot of information that I I've been seeing a lot of notetaking done and so we might be almost to the point where we give direction for um staff to bring back actually a draft uh policy on this and um and if everybody feels comfortable we can do that let me go ahead and hear from C manager first and and make sure that everything is understoo
d that we've talked about tonight thank you Mr Mayor certainly we'll consult with Heather she's going to be a big part of any action going forward but it sounds from what I'm hearing from Council um that you likes many of the concepts that our councilwoman Koval brought forward but it seems most of you like the flexibility of the policies we have now but to memorialize those to put that down in writing with um o obligations on the part of the city of Santi if we want to dip into the reserves wha
t that would take and if we do that what would be the replacement policies how we would handle that um and if I'm I just want to make sure um the 22% plus one plus one plus one 22% 22% plus one and then over three years okay so I I I have it written down I can just hand it I'm just curious it sounded to me mostly that we were looking at keeping it at 20% rather than 22 correct it's 20% but when the Surplus the trigger for the Surplus is 22% where we would put 1% in the line item that I said the
annual Surplus allocation line item in the budget and Max it at 5% so just for my understanding um and Heather you can correct me if I'm if I you've got it that's great right um we would have that set aside in a separate fund is that a part of the reserve or is that it's Reserve it's general fund Reserve unrestricted but it's to address it's a way to properly address something like the the lights at the ball field the things that we didn't see okay from from what may may I chime in um from what
I if I'm understanding correctly the Laura The the Reserve is 20% anything above 22 we take 1% of that and we put it into kind of like an assignment up to 5% so effectively that's almost a 25% Reserve if it never gets you know if we never draw it down or anything like that correct um up to that but it does seem like every year and it I don't want to say every year but a lot of years we have something come up that's you know from half a million to2 million dollars that wasn't addressed and so thi
s is a way to to use the general fund Reserve as it's intended and then also replenish it and not steer not have all the department heads go oh well you got to cut out these things because you know we there's this unexpected budget issue that arose it should be a team effort to replenish it is what I'm trying to say okay okay we'll we'll take a stab at that and bring it back there well you know that's the one good thing about like I said having all these different ideas coming up and and we all
seem to be very similar in thought here with just a few variations on what we think is a good deal not everybody's going to get what they want it's like buying a car dealers not getting what they want we may not get what we want but you know what at the end of the day we bought a car so it's not it's not a house Rob all right then that takes us to item number item number nine city cler which item did I just call you called item number eight sir oh thank you that was a setup so uh fiscal year 202
3 24 operating budget update and resolution amending the fiscal year 2023 24 budget this is a midyear um report good evening again Mr Mayor Mr vice mayor and council members um this is the 2020 324 midyear operating budget update so I thought we'd start off with how we did in fiscal year 2223 um we closed the year with 17 million in unrestricted fund balance this was 4 million more than projected when we did the adopted budget the primary drivers of this increase is uh 1.3 million um increase in
revenues primarily property tax and sales tax and expenditure savings across all departments we had P we had a lot of personnel salary Personnel salary savings and unfilled positions um primarily in finance engine engineering Community Services HR uh we also had some Savings in the sh in the sheriff contract due to vacancies and insurance premium savings and then we saved on utilities so stepping into this fiscal year um so our financial position has improved from the original adopted budget by
5.2 million part of that is the 4 million from the previous slide um the rest of it is estimated revenues are now stronger than initially projected by about 2.4 million so our projected Reserve balance is 17.3 million at june30 2024 this is a snapshot of the midyear amended budget uh revenues are projected to be 59 million expenditures uh 57.2 million that leaves us revenues over expenditures of almost 1.8 million we've got some transfers in the other financing sources um of 2.8 million this is
mostly arpa which we'll get to on a later slide um some transfers out to other operating funds about 660,000 and then transfers to Capital Improvement program 3.6 million this also includes arpa and then the unfunded liability payment or the additional discretionary payment to cpers of $600,000 um this leaves us with an available fund balance of 17.3 million so we'll start off with revenues um we're looking at $59 million um 2.4 million um overall increase in projected revenues from the origina
l adopted budget our major Revenue um or our Mo our biggest revenue is property tax uh 25.1 million in total this is about 485,000 more than the original budget estimate and $1 million more than uh 2022 um actual actuals this is driven by a 7.1% increase in net assess valuation our next biggest Revenue source is sales tax uh we are actually projecting almost a million dollars um of an increase from the original budget estimate and um about 332,000 more than the ending balance of last fiscal year
this increase is primarily due to in the following areas building in construction we had very strong growth uh General consumer goods mediocre growth and then the P County Pool allocation we had growth in this area but this was mostly driven by the building and construction growth some other notable revenues uh trans transient transient occupancy tax we are projecting 790,000 in annual revenue our franchise fees were looking at 3.8 million in total annual revenue with large um increases from th
e from the original estimate Emergency Medical Services 5.1 million in Revenue um this is this should be noted this is a one- to- run relationship with the um the EMS depart or the EMS division of the fire department so this matches whatever is spent in that in that division um and then building permit Revenue uh 1.1 million this is a $100,000 increase so our 200 or 2023 24 expenditures we're looking at 57.2 million uh 682,000 over our current budget we'll begin here with the Personnel costs we'
ve we are requesting a Building Development technician this is a upgrade from a part-time position to a full-time position um and and along with the along there is an increase of $50,000 but we're also expecting Savings in the actual in the in the contract staff costs the next item is employee benefit employee benefit elections this is just a correction to um what we assumed when we were creating the budget to what actual what actually what the employees actually took for elections and then part
-time salaries in the finance department so these are the other general fund depart or other general fund expend increases by Department um city manager and economic development we've got um money budgeted for Empower East County Business fund project this was originally in the arpa fund but it was requested that this not come from arpa money so and that it' be a general fund expense so we are we are making that adjustment um Surplus land disposition uh City attorney Community oriented policing
and cannabis implementation Information Technology we have the GIS consultant that we will be using until we can get that position filled uh Finance credit card processing fees fire station infrastructure Services financing analysis community services and public service workers compensation costs and electricity costs and then fire also workers compensation costs and the replacement of obsolete radios and then in addition there is the Synthetic Turf field replacement and this would be a transfer
from the general fund to the CIP fund so uh the American Rescue plant so due to arpa spending deadlines and current project demands from the engineering department we are proposing to swap the funding sources for the following CIP projects and the way it would work is we would transfer this the amount of these four CIP projects from from arpa the arpa fund into the general fund and then from the general fund we would transfer the same amount into the into the um the CIP fund um there's also $50
,000 here for the River Ordinance enforcement this was the was mentioned in the city attorney's budget and then 40,000 mentioned earlier from Empower East County Business fund project so now to the general fund unrestricted fund balance as mentioned we have 17.3 million or 30.3% of general fund operating expenditures and then the balance available beyond the 20% Reserve is 5.9 million considerations for use of unrestricted fund balance of course it's typically used for only onetime uses not used
for ongoing operational programs so um the first item would be to increase the general fund Reserve which we've already gone over um another option would be an additional discretionary payment to cpers um there's the the potential to allocate funding to the pavement repair and maintenance program as as noted earlier the pavement management report recommends an annual Paving budget of 4.5 million in order to get our streets to a PCI of 70 um in fiscal year 2425 we have $4.0 million allocated for
streets um and then in fiscal year 2526 we have 2.1 million allocated for streets so 500 ,000 in fiscal year 2425 would get us to the 4.5 million and then 2.4 million in fiscal year 2526 would get us to the 4.5 million other other CIP projects include the community center um the way that the community center is set up in the in the CIP budget now um bidding and construction is programmed in fiscal year 2526 basically because we're waiting for the accumulation of development impact fees to cover
the construction we do have a state Grant as part of as a funding source for the community center and it's $4.5 million there is some concern regarding the state's budget and um whether or not the state would claw that those funds back um they should in a perfect world they would be spent today um we've also um just I think it was last night received new budget numbers for um the community center it's the budget has increased by 1.5 million and I believe they're due to new building standards I
think engineering can speak better on that than than me um and then general fund so a general fund contribution of 1.5 million could FastTrack the project to fiscal year 25 or 2425 and this is of course as long as there is enough development impact fees um received and then finally the financial system Erp uh our current software is sunsetting in March 2027 um we have in the CIP budget an estimated project budget of 1 million um 900,000 of that is unfunded so staff's recommendation would be to a
dopt the resolution approving the amended fiscal year 2324 budget as outlined in the report approve the addition of a full-time development technician position in the Planning and Building department and provide Direction on the use and appropriation of the exess general fund unrestricted fund balance we have no speaker slips um Dustin yes sir Mr Mayor I'll go first knock this one out real quick so um I just want to make a couple comments actually going to be directed a couple of the you guys st
aff members real quick so in the building uh permit Revenue you I want to thank Aron for hard work some of it's not your your result but it is your result you know why we have a $200,000 you know uptick in in your original estimate but there's statement in here going to read it out loud to everybody when the building department function was brought in housee last year the department changed the way the revenue was budgeted for better reflect the way services are currently provided based on reduc
ed use of contract staff so kudos to you for everything you've done in that department to get us where we are today thank you um next one actually is going to be for Carl because I know where this is coming from so Carl can you tell me why we need uh window 10 in on building four I I actually put a thermometer to that this last summer and uh we had temperatures in excess of 85 to 87° in the cubicles and over 100 against the windows so is that in the cubicles how far you at 5T 10t 20 ft away 5et
5T yeah so it's it's mostly everything against there right yeah it's pretty much all the office cubicles that are on the west facing side of building four they get extremely hot they just reflect right off the windows and they're they're just heated excessively it's you know it's it's one thing Al you don't want to spend money on necessarily but I think it's important that we take care of the staff you know staff has our support to make sure they're comfortable at work and and doing what they ne
ed to do right so just wanted to kind of throw it out there yeah you know so uh next one's going to be uh Nick so the turf I'm 100 100% in support of allocating this funds to you to get this thing done I don't know how you're going to get it done or what you're going to do or whatever it is but we need to get this done there's no question about it right so really I I think understanding is most of the stuff has like like a 10 year life expectancy that's correct uh the fields are actually put int
o place in 2010 the expectancy of about 9 to 10 years we're encroaching on year 14 at this point and uh they're in po condition sir so my challenge to you or my ask of you is to come back not only with all your plan how you going to replace them but how are you going to replace them in the future yes sir we already have you're here in 10 more years or if somebody else is that we have a mechanism or a way to do that well I don't have any gray hair so I'll be here in 10 years okay let's hope so so
unds good whoa whoa whoa all right then actually I appreciate um one of my colleagues I don't know which one got our our uh priorities actually brought to us today again it's the nerd it's the nerd so every two years if the public doesn't know we sit down and as we get a new Council we sit down and go through the priorities for our Council and give staff some direction on what is most important things that we can get done here in the city so just want to read two things before I I go into my fin
ish my thing here so um not in any particular order it just happens to be this way um numerically um first one is focus on improvements to the fire station facilities and services second one is continue to focus on expanding road paving and other infrastructure improvements that's two of the 10 priorities in here several of the priorities have already been taken care of are implemented some are ongoing and some are forthcoming still I guess right so we have $5.9 million um above our Reserve righ
t now that we can use and allocate somewhere and make make better use you know here within our city so some of the things you guys asking about I actually this just give my recommendations here so go with it um I think we need to take $900,000 and put it into the was it Erp replacement project immediately I think this is one of the highest priorities um Coming forward for us right now um second is the paving repair and maintenance I think we need to take $500,000 and 2.4 4 million which is a tot
al total of $2.9 million and put it into our um our plan and our goal for our repair uh Paving and maintenance that leaves a difference of what I have the math uh yeah it's uh three about $2.2 million difference in there the SEC the last thing is we have a thing here about fire facilities and services we've talked we talked a lot about fire facilities and services in the last while right Chief um it's a huge priority it's a huge issue that we have and I know this is not the norm um that that we
do with these type of funds but I do believe um that we need to seriously look at funding the six additional firefighters that the fire chief ask for um as you know as soon as possible if it's not in this um you know allocation here we're doing it here in the the fiscal year coming up but we do have the funds to do that now and I do think those are the three highest priorities for me for our for our city so do do you have the turf in there too or not is that already in there the turf's already i
n there because everything the additional Staffing all the things the other departments already asked for was what 682,000 or something like that that's already all built in there so that's that's all within their their ask or their their recommendations to for their departments and then there's still five .9 million beyond that so 2.9 I'm okay with the roads and because we have to fix the roads and uh can't count on Padre Dam to do them all and um 900,000 um for the software so it's good to me
and um I'm sure somebody else is going to have another one the fire I can put part of it in there but I think we could find another item put it all in [Music] there yeah I I'm like I said I've said a thousand times you know the main priority that we're supposed to have up here we fill potholes make sure street lights work and make sure when you call 911 somebody shows up those are the main priorities we have as a council everything else after that is the fun stuff so uh roads we we made a plan t
o get to 70% we wanted to get to 70% we have we've we now have an A Way by which we can get closer to that uh continue to get closer to that with extra money so definitely allocating where was Heather there she's uh allocating those extra funds to the shortfalls in the coming years I'm 100% in support of uh doing that uh obviously we need we're going to need to pay for the finance program um software I think we should have that implemented this year [Laughter] right Kathy's gonna make sure of th
at um and uh as far as funding the funding the firefighters or our paramedics and and the staff I we're we don't have a place to house them at this time so having them is I mean we've got to we've got to work that into the Budget moving forward um but I don't know that this is the appropriate funding mechanism for that at this time let's ask the fire chief Chief those six additional firefighters what would that cost us annually right now roughly a million dollar something like that yeah starting
pay because our because it's it's graduated up as they as they put in more time the initial costs with pay and benefits approximately $800,000 but then there's additional costs as far as PPE looking at about $20,000 per employee um then the train hours over time so the question the question was do we have a place to house them we do but it's not optimal do you have a plan we do have a plan and this is this has been discussed we've been discussing this for the better part of the last two years i
s it's it's far from optimal but can we do it yes is it optimal to do it no my top priority is a third operational fire station a temporary fire station because then that allows all of the other dominoes to fall but we could make I mean we're the fire department we make anything happen have that coming this year it should be coming this year there is uh there is a high likelihood that we will need uh additional funds beyond the $1 million that's been allocated for that project okay so there's th
ere's where I would like to see this go because without a place to put people we don't have don't if I could add a little bit of context as well uh for consideration is we have Academy that's just about to start with four Personnel we started that process for getting those people to start in November and they won't be ready to hit the floor until the end of May June um so if you were to authorize some staffing today we would not have those people ready to deploy and that's and that would be if H
R was able to prioritize them which they're incredibly incredibly busy um they wouldn't be able to be deployed until September most likely so just for consideration so you know the timing anyways um fair enough it's quite a bit quite a bit of time out from the time it's just allocated from the time the funds are allocated or from the time we because that there's a I'm getting it yeah so I cannot I can't start a process for hiring I mean we we could have a list but I can't start a process for hir
ing and offer a job until there's actually a position that's created so that's just that's unfortunately just the way the way it works what comes first the chicken or the egg so I mean do we have to allocate the funds in order to create a job position in order to go out to find someone to fill that position within the next nine months eight or six months that's okay so yeah that was a question actually I want can you sorry about that yeah Rita is able to help out on this one it's got to be funed
okay right that's the problem correct Heather you have to allocate the money before we can hire for the position before we can create the vacancy and fill it the the positions would need to be approved by Council because they're not currently in the budget um we would need to allocate funds and then and then fire would need to do their training or we need need to hire and then training okay so then I want to make sure that we've first priority for me is funding the shortfall on the roads second
is the software and then third would be no third would actually be the the positions and anything left over would go towards the temporary station to help with any sets of that can you what was number three again I'm sorry so uh number three would be the um the positions the fire positions establishing funds for those positions and then number four would be any if there was anything left over at that point would go towards offsetting any unforeseen costs which are always going to be seen on tem
porary station yeah thank you does that make sense thank you so I would like to add the sheriff's in there too because um the sheriff's uh we we we have to make sure that we have secure City too and that's something you're very concerned about um we've looked into today we actually had a meeting on the flock software and um they came in and they talked about uh um the cameras putting new cameras up they're going to run a report on how many it'll be go ahead okay oh sorry I'm sorry I apologize um
but yeah there the the cameras actually are through the Sheriff's Department so we would fund the sheriff's department and they would actually run the system for us so by adding this would give us more Security in here let us put them around uh Town Center a little bit and actually have uh Trolley Square and other areas of the town and we'd make sure if you could take some time and maybe go over to El con and look at their system um you'd be surprised how well it's working for stolen cars and a
ctually uh the sheriff was talking about a little bit today they've caught people from um up in uh up in what was the Riverside County that came down here and you were talking about they were doing that like for example burglary Crews that were stealing catalytic converters and uh we were able to because of the readings from those cameras we were able to kind of pinpoint certain cars that were probably associated with that and uh we were able to find them and Target them and then sure enough the
y were involved in those activities so it's just a way of helping make it more secure in the city and it's something that we should be looking at because I think you said six out of how many cities have done it so far I don't have the exact number but there's several cities I know that um our North Coastal communities have them uh delmare salana Beach and um you said San Marcos and vistor looking at San Marcos and Powe are currently in the process of obtaining them and there's other cities lame
Mesa eloh right I believe National City and Chul Vista have them so it's just something the the expense is going to be we should be able to absorb it but it's uh it's something that I would like to look into you know I'm not trying to down the fire to Fighters or anything like that but age something we should look into for sure I'd like I'd actually love a report on that and and bring that up at a future council meeting so we can discuss it maybe work on that for the next in within the next budg
et I I've been talking about cameras for yeah I know I know if I know you're sympath Trails the road exactly one thing if you can go to elone though set up uh meeting up in alcoh and go see how they actually work I have to I sell them try to go there no well I know it's a tough area it's it's it's in the police station so it's safe sometimes okay thanks Ron Laura okay so this is um I mean what was said at the top of the presentation is these are funds that we're T discussing how should be used f
or like onetime use so when we talk about Staffing that's not onetime use and um that's a that's a cost that doesn't go away and just looking at this year yeah it's it's 31% % over above it's at 31% in our I mean so we have this extra money but last year it was 24% I mean this is the best year we've ever had so and best year in 20 years so it's not sustainable to fund positions with looking at the 20-year you know lens here so that's why I did ask to have um the council priorities this is from t
he February 22nd 2023 agenda item what okay so uh Council vice mayor trer mentioned item one and two or actually one and three of 10 so the first one is uh focus on improvements for fire station facilities and services and we did allocate a million dollars which the chief mentioned were were short you know based on the RFP that came back I'm sure um and then we also have looked at um LSA and getting additional funds through that and additional positions as well through that so those are some bes
ides the funds that we put from our reserves you know our overages on our reserves towards those that one priority or the first listed of the 10 we're we're working towards that number two was considered annexation of West Hills Parkway and surrounding parcels and you know in the scheme of things that's a nice to have but not a need to have and I I think based on the nods we probably agree um number three continue to focus on expanded Ro and Paving and other infrastructure improvements so it's n
ot just roads and pavings it's also the storm water and all that other stuff and and and we know that um number four expand and diversify Economic Development opportunities through the Arts and Entertainment District and cannabis implementation so we're actively working on those um number five Implement an automated permitting system and other managed information system enhan ments such as website redesign and a future Financial software upgrade which that is looming and we've seen how long soft
ware imp implementations take we need $900,000 I bet we'll need more uh I just I just bet we'll need more so well that's just how it goes right so we would have to start pretty dang soon uh number six continue to focus on positive resolutions to homelessness and risk reduction especially in the San San Diego River Corridor that ties to number one in in a lot of ways uh or at least Public Safety overall we've allocated significant dollars to um the river bottom and and you know creating barriers
and paths for our firefighters to travel and that's a one-time use that we still continue to need to do um number eight to council member Mel's Point enhance and Implement safety and maintenance Improvement on City's Trails well that's our trail system we want to feel safe on our Trails we we haven't allocated money towards that though we I mean there's a lot of work to be done there number nine it's always a good idea to it's not it's not sexy but uh cowers and the unfunded liability whenever p
ossible you should always put money towards that and then finally number 10 which we're all on track and it looks like it's coming pretty soon is the um development impact fee study so I I definitely think we need um I'm I'm all for pay roads um the community center was a top 10 priority in here but when we did this meeting that was funded to the best of our knowledge and we were moving forward with it so that's why it dropped off well it seems like it's back on the table because we need more mo
ney and I don't want to delay building this community center that we've been talking about since 2018 I think um maybe even 2016 because um we might need extra $1.5 million it it was a priority that dropped off because we thought it was handled and we we need that money we have to get that going we have to I mean we have our our team we're at almost 100% design we should be ready to go yeah yeah we should be ready to go on that and if we need some more money to get that across the Finish Line we
need to do that um so these are all priorities um but some rise to the top of 900,000 needs to happen Community Center needs to happen it looks like we need to allocate more money for the temporary station um I I personally can't justify Staffing when we don't have this is supposed to be onetime use because we can't guarantee it every year so I I agree with most things except that one part and add the community center so I I heard you agree with me that's all I heard that's all I heard typical
man all right so I think these are all good ideas if we had about oh let's say 20 million in over but uh we don't have that kind of money obviously so as people listen to this and they hear us talking about all these different things I would hope they think man I don't envy those Folks up there because we'd like to do them all I agree with Laura and one of the questions I was going to say is so do we have the money to fund six additional um fire staff members uh from now and in the near future o
r will we have to take $6 million this entire nearly $6 million and budget for the next six years hoping that we get more money and the reason why I say that is because when it runs out you don't have the Staffing it's very much like some of the programs that we had here before where we hired uh firefighters and when the money ran out cuz the grant was over we had to let people go or hope that there was enough attrition that we were back to where the Staffing was before and um and I agree with L
aura this is not full-time funding this is one-time funding and that's what we need to do I don't I I give you the floor in just a moment Rob but if you if you have figured out a formula to do this uh funding um over the next who knows how many years um I'm all ears because I I'd love to see us have more firefighters because I know what the difference is between not having enough Staffing in your emergency services and the consequences can be for that I just I I want somebody to enlighten me on
how that can be done so my point with this is and I and I recall when we had the onetime funds and we lost them and we ended up I recall when we had to do that that was very difficult um to do however we're adding stations where we we need to have people in those stations we have I mean we're adding stations we have no choice but we have so we have to find this one way or another there's no way around that we have to find this one way or another this is just the kickstart but isn't isn't isn't t
he station over here not here by Santi Lakes sorry station five yes isn't that one already like Beyond capacity don't they have already have too many like wasn't that part of the first plan is to build this temporary station by the operation yard and then actually relieve that station because it's beyond capacity right now to an extent yeah that is that's included in the plan as we obviously only have two stations the placement of our apparatus is not optimal and so that is the the most immediat
e solution is moving a unit from that location to the temporary station and then we could and we still need to add over there do we not we still need firefighters but I I get it I get it and I'm not looking you know from from fir side we're not looking to rob Peter to pay Paul here I'm not looking to completely undermine all the other needs in the city because that's what the cost would be as well so I'm I'm I would like to acknowledge that that um we have a lot of hardworking people in this cit
y and a lot of hardworking departments and they have needs too so I understand I get it we get it my personal I think where where we really benefit is is over time for instance finish the fire station okay move the Personnel that need to be moved and in the mean time though we're going to have some other businesses coming online because we're talking about at least 18 months before we see any relief there and in 18 months we'll have other business come online we'll be able to have another budget
a full budget cycle coming forward and at that point we can start working on how we're going to have that continu continuing Revenue Service in order to fund those because I I think we're going to be able to get there I just don't think we're gonna get there using one-time funds just I get that and and I really do appreciate that thought I really really do and I I there's no one here that knows uh you know better than you probably do my support for the firefighters and but I we have a really to
ugh decision here and my decision Mr Mayor I at least my my comment is not about the firefighters it's about our city it's about our constituents it's providing the best service to our constituents that that we should be providing to them this is an area that we have been lacking on is giving them the proper service that they you know require the chief has talked so many times about response times if we can't get to somebody in four minutes and a lot of you guys heard you know a month ago when I
had the gentleman here with the with the uh Cardiac Arrest here we got to him I was on that apparatus that day we got to him and we saved his life he walked back in this here because of our um Sheriff's Department deputies and because of those firefighters they got him back to the hospital got surgery and he walked back in this this place a month ago and that I you know that's what we owe our citizens we owe our citizens that opportunity every single time and there's some like I mentioned two w
eeks ago I think it was or whenever Chief said we got some real real tough decisions to make here and and it all comes down to again priorities and and all these things and this is it's not easy and I'm I'm not I'm usually not the one advocating for you know more staff either but I'm understanding where we are today within the with the budget we have the monies we have and the opportunity that we have to like Rob said Kickstart this and go forward with what we really need to to do to provide for
the city okay I I get that everything we do is about the constituents uh the people that live in this community that we have to walk by every day and say hello to and we don't want to have to hang our head my question is though um if we do this now um can we come up with a list of what community benefits we're also going to have to give up no more concert series uh do we give up the um you know our U Santi TV which is getting great reviews for being transparency to the people live in our city o
r do we give up you know the senior programs I I don't know and I'm not trying to say this to be factious or flippant I'm just saying that in order to do that um you have to give up programs how many people do we have to lay off in order to hire six hire six more people I don't know these are just things that we need to consider and um and uh quite frankly I'm not willing to consider letting people go um I think we're going to get to where we want to be we're just not going to get there well in
the next 6 to8 months and keep in mind also that when you hire those trainees um they're a part of the equation on how much it cost it's not just their uh you know wages once they become full-fledged firefighters uh and there there is a cost to that and it's not you know insignificant cost yeah exactly and um but onetime these are onetime funds absolutely onetime funds um so but I do appreciate what you're saying I get that 100% so um I I would like to also say like it it does sound though we do
have a shortfall in funding the temporary station though like shouldn't should that be one of the topics that we discussed with this fund uh that was one of that was my number two priority I thought it was number two or that was number well actually I guess it was four but if you're if you're getting rid of three then okay then it becomes number three okay so yeah for me the software uh Community Center and the temporary fire station and Roads did I miss anything and I want to do something with
the trails I mean I really do I you know for me on this I I would switch that two and three and the reason why I would say that is because uh we have been working so hard on this other permitting software and I think that a lot of staff is really just kind of getting used to it without a doubt it was a joke about making about doing that implementing that this year that was a joke that was just to scare the heck out of the staff some things are just gb's out of me just allocations when they're i
mplemented how they're implemented you know all that that's a staff's okay well then number three wouldn't be a bad thing then but I think that uh by um getting that station online getting the Staffing moved uh first of all that would be the first uh fire facility we've had south of Mission Gorge Road it could especially since that's going to probably be an ambulance maybe a a truck of some kind um probably would have a greater response time uh south of Mission Gorge Road and uh and then we go f
or there so for me that is a priority and yeah we can put throw in some you know software money I guess but uh it's not high on my list not not in this budget plan and it's and it is a one-time cost that we're going to have to have and it's a million dollars but if we put part of it towards that then we you know next year we can fund it and fund it and fund it until we get there the threeyear rule so I'm just going to recap so the three things I suggested 2.9 millions $900,000 and a million doll
ar still leaves a million $1.1 million still just on I'm just using my thing so you know that's a decision are we are we going to use these $5. million we're going to save some of it I mean what are we mean remember last year we a lot of money you guys it adds up this is not just a million doll a million a half this like we've had in the past where you know we only had one or two things able to do this this is a chunk that we have a lot opportunity here to do a lot of things I'm thinking put it
more into roads well I like I said funding fully funding funding for two years at that point right Carl yeah Bas on the recommendation you gave we would be funded for this fiscal year coming up and the next one yes what percentage would that take us to well based on the payment management report it's going to get us closer to that 70 p PCI that was the goal and that what was established in the report we'll rerun the report in the next year or two then we'll have a feeling where we actually fall
because it's still just a plan it's not right that's exactly what's going to happen so me we had it was five fiveyear plan and we've completed year two already is that correct yeah 22 20 20 yeah so we did it in 22 so 23 24 so we are funding year three and year four potentially then there'll be one more year but I think we might be recommending in another year to come back with another plan to to get a better Benchmark where we're at a heck of Kickstart we gave you guys to it's the biggest kick s
tart we've ever had think's got some would you require another um PCI test or survey that's what we'd recommend and we would build that into the program and and re-evaluate all the streets and that'll help give us another indicator of how this money and extra infusion actually is getting us towards those goals okay is that before after Padre Dam does streets we we'll wait till they're complete definitely be after yeah Laura you want to clear anything up after at all well when you were talking ab
out software what were what software were you saying the finance software yeah the finance software thatp you're saying yes to that I'm saying 100% we need to fund it sure when it's implemented there was some joke going around about software I'm like joke was that start tomorrow on it oh you know and no I have it have it implemented allocation of funds okay he got me on it okay I fully admit that okay all right is that it I think that's it Council are there any questions have you been able can I
yeah marene has Mr Mayor if I could ask for just some clarification we've had a number of thoughts brought up on a staff level what I'm hearing is this year in next year for roads that's 2. 2.9 right so we're going to take care of that and then I'm hearing to take care of the financial software so that's everybody seems to agree on that so that puts us at three basically 3.8 right because we already have 100,000 that's 900,000 plus 2.9 that's 3.8 that leaves you with roughly $2.1 million left t
hat you have some disagreements on how to expend those dollars if we could cut at least cut down to 2 point you know to the 2.1 and you're in agreement on the balance that gives us something to go after and then we've heard a number of different things putting money into the temp station I will tell you that we had um a good plan for our temporary fire station we ran into some Financial issues when we bid the project we're going to be rejecting those bids and modifying our process for moving for
ward um I'm going to kind of put Carl or Steve on the on the U the button here a little bit and see if there's a way if Council wanted to put money into a temporary fire station CU I'm also hearing that brought up a lot if they put $500,000 do you think that's going to get us there do we need 800 that understand we're not holding you to it you know your your hands are not tied here but in a general world what would we be looking at to get through the bidding cycle and get the temp station going
it'll certainly help I I can't say definitively it'll get us there I understand um we still need to look at some modifications to the potential plan that we brought forward maybe reducing some of the infrastructure and things we planned on doing and that's something we have not really got into the meat and bones of that conversation yet okay so Carl I get you're the engineer who's sliding around the number I get that okay um so the other Alternatives that are on the table you had um additional c
ontribution to cpers was another suggestion there was a suggestion for the community center there was a suggestion for the temp station um Community Center looks like 1.5 could give some of that all of it none of it Calpers you could give us any number um I didn't hear anybody jump on that one um so it's not super sexy for you for me it's Community Center and temporary fire station of the remaining options so if you tell us that we'll try to take the balance of the money and make it work the bes
t that we can for those two projects if that's what council wants a million dollar for the community center remain fire we don't know what the we don't know what the real numbers are I get that but we can dedicate it to that and um and if it's less then it gets reallocated is we're sitting at a 100% design on the community center so we have to move right uh so what I was suggesting is that you take um another million dollars and um dedicate it to the uh F temporary fire station and um that can b
e held and if we need less we need less uh the rest of it dedicated to the community center so we can move forward on that that work I think do we need to get to the community center do we need one and a half to get there that's the number that I saw in the staff report so yeah the one the 1.5 would get us there it will also um potentially get us closer to to starting sooner okay so Council what I what I would ask at this point to help resolve the question is we just take the balance of what you
have and work on those two projects get the temp fire station moving forward and if you want to do the community center or assign some money to either of those or give us another alternative it's fine well I I'd say dedicate the money to the uh Community Center get it started and what we have left over go to the fire station I agree with that is that a motion or the well do this can I interject on that one we're going to know the temp station um number first and we maybe fund that first and the
n what whatever's left over that that's fine I mean we still give that direction still lawful uh still Falls within you know purview um do you have any I'm fine with it I mean I I still want to look at the software but other than that I mean uh rob you have any I'm just so frustrated the number of the for the community center keeps going up every time I say are you sure this time and yeah I'm sure and then it keeps going up again and again and again so it's it's getting a little aggravating I me
an we started off this thing was $9 million I mean that's a ridiculous number now in in retrospect because it didn't include the things that it was supposed to and it was you know we're looking at different phases it it's this is getting out of control we're we're we're going to be at $24 million here assume I mean we're we're $3 million short right now is what we're looking at yeah it's we're nowhere close we can't fund the difference even with a million dollars is not going to get there there
has to be just something else has to change this is this is just a start again to try to figure out how to fill a gap that it's it's a whole until the next much bigger hole than than what we have the the thing is though that if we don't get started now it's just going to continue to grow oh I I get that on the on the overall cost but the problem is we're not ready to start Carl I mean please help me to tell me if we gave you guys a million and a half dollars today you can't start this for anothe
r 18 months right is that my understanding the the the vast majority of the funding is coming from developer impact fees sure I understand those those are some of that money is not currently in the bank let's forget that we that we need any let's say we can fund the whole entire thing today 5 million 10 I don't care what it cost today when could you actually start this thing if we could physically you know with our current workload and Staffing not till next spring at the earliest as recommended
in we're talking 18 more months before we can even start the project if we but we still need the money but we still need the money and and know that we you know the whole bid process and you know this I mean it's it's going to take a while and you put the money aside when you have it now when we're when we have this 31% because like I said last year 24 you can't this is what we're talking about the surplus funds and and the top 10 priorities the reason the only reason the Community Center isn't
on there is because we thought it was fully funded yeah yeah 100% I mean this has been we walk away from it yes I think we have to do it I think we too far in 2016 it was a it was a priority of the council in 2016 we ran into Co 2020 we lost a couple years there it became a real priority to this Council three years ago again that we took and we put real money into that thing we we put money into the the design the the funding the we did everything that we thought we were doing to try to get thi
s to the finish line but what I'm hearing and what I'm seeing is Finish Line's not even in our site well it's in our site we'll get there past Oceanside right now no I mean I understand it's frustrating I totally do um and that's why the $600,000 for the you know the at the turf or Synthetic Turf is like ah because we could have used that money for this or or something that we just listed um and that's why we you know there has to be a better process with the reserve funds too just a process we
don't have that so I mean we've come full circle on it but i' I've shared my top four I'm lost where's our priorities now they right if you don't know what your priorities are sir we've got other issues okay well I'll tell you so so um we talked about um the the first one remind me what was the first one because the roads the roads okay 2.9 Million okay 2.9 Million for roads and then we talked about the software 900,000 for thep software right okay so then that's going to leave us what I'm seein
g as three and four so um so uh let's say the uh temporary fire station and then the remainder for um yeah okay I'm going to make a uh I'm going to make I'm going to create a motion here and I'm going to say that uh we uh give direction to staff that we apply 2.9 Million to the roads 9 million uh $900,000 of software 1.5 million to the temporary fire St um uh 1.5 million to the temporary fire station and the remainder to the um pardon me I think it was 1.5 to the community center and then rest t
o the temporary fire station that that's right okay clarify that 1.5 million to the community center and the remainder to the temporary fire station I'll sec I'll second itth okay and mayor that includes staff's recommendation on all the other items correct correct yes because we don't have a reserve fund policy all right please let please uh prepare to vote and please vote motion carries with For Eyes thank you thank you everybody for all the input and that takes us to item number 10 which is a
resolution supporting affordable housing and commitment to a collaboration between the city of Santi and the county of San Diego Marlene thank you Mr Mayor uh and members of the council um let's go ahead and Advance the slide please so just as background um the council is very well aware that the county of San Diego is a very large land owner within the city of Santi our city limits uh they feel that they have total authority over what types of development they want to do on those particular pa
rcels and have done that um with various types of facilities such as Los colinus uh the new cessor office and the new um animal shelter that they are currently planning north of chub uh pardon me south of chub and North River viiew Parkway however the city and the county have been working to try to coordinate land use designations throughout the city on county-owned property and particularly tonight we would like to talk about the property that is located on Magnolia Avenue um the county is requ
esting a a a resolution of support from the city of Santi for their land use plan that they like to move forward on those par properties next slide so the slide that's in front of you is the county-owned property uh along Magnolia Avenue it's the site that is is southwest of Riverview Parkway and Magnolia Council knows it well for the community it is bounded by a Riverview Parkway north of which will be the new animal shelter on the west side is Los cenus South is the residential area along Park
Avenue and uh the Methodist Church and to the east there are residential uses the plan that you see in front of you um includes the historic Barn it says Polo but I know our historians here in town would say it's not Polo it's just the barn uh so it does include that and this plan does not eliminate that in fact it allows for an opportunity to make better use of that site the site is the former home of the Edgemore Dairy and the barn is there now and will continue to be there the city has previ
ously considered this parcel the entire parcel as part of an office and indust institutional use as part of the river viw Office Park plan and the Town Center specific plan recently the city designated 17 Acres of the site for affordable multif Family Housing Development with the northernmost portion the green section that you see set aside for Park and open space uh surrounding the the barn that would remain City Representatives uh elected and staff have been working with the county behind the
scenes to gain support for the county utilizing the property in the method that works the best with our current General plan and our upcoming town center specific plan update the county has requested a support from the city for the plan that's in front of you so that they could take this forward to the Board of Supervisors in the immediate future County staff intend to present this so that it does coordinate with the city's plan and allows them to hopefully in the near future sell off some of th
e affordable housing sites to be able to assist the city and the county in meeting the arena goals that are applicable to both agencies uh in regard to the other County use there's no guarantee of what will go there however that is the general area as council is aware that the county had proposed putting a homeless shelter in years past uh that currently is not on the plan for the county of San Diego they also have recently made an adoption that tiny homes will not be allowed to be built within
District 2 our current supervisorial District unless uh there's negotiations with the community and with our supervisor so this other County use could be anything that is in the County's what we call our CIP plan um they call it by another name but there is nothing for a sheriff station upgrade or remodel sorry guys uh in the future plan there's nothing for any other types of uses that we could see at this time except for potentially a future Library 3 or four years out could that change absolut
ely ever the county does desire to want to bring the balance of this property into coordination with the cities again current General plan and our updated um Town Center specific plan as you'll note moving forward this looks familiar to our city council and to many of you in the audience so from that perspective I would encourage Council and staff is actually um if we want to go to the next slide staff is going to actually recommend that Council approve the resolution working with the county all
ow staff to continue to work with the county on that other County use parcel because if we don't adopt this the county still has the ability to move forward with anything they want on those properties if they are going to move forward with this type of a land use plan it limits what they're going to do with their own property and makes it more coordinated with ours then we only have to worry about one smaller piece rather than the whole thing so in that regard um I would recommend to the city co
uncil that we uh go ahead and approve the resolution and you authorize me to send a copy of that over to the county to be presented to the Board of Supervisors happy to answer any questions that anyone may have we have two speaker slips the first speaker is Gary stra is AJ one of the speakers he is the next speaker sir yeah we we'll have AJ come up first good evening mayor council members staff good evening mayor council members staff um I'm deeply grateful for the opportunity to talk to this pr
oposal because I believe it is missing a strong enough essential protection of a very unique Santi Community Asset as proposed seems to me it leaves a Santi Historical Society Barn at risk of being crowded out or even being torn down instead of becoming a vital Community Landmark vibrant Gathering Place and park-like gateway to the Arts and entertainment plan I believe currently the county lease leaves the society at risk of forced vac vacation vacating the property in 60 days according to the c
urrent lease it also prevents the improvements to maintain a quality Park area and the building the upper floors could readily become a much needed Community Gathering Center and entertainment place while the lower floor would be a quality a much more quality historical preservation attraction these are all because Santi does not have the management control of that area I believe that if the council were to delay the approval of this until a suitable management agreement or property transfer ove
r the 4.75 Acres would give Santi City in perpetuity the the ability to assure that it meets and aligns with our city citizenry's goals and plans um I have a special connection with this our family um we've we've been residents here for 46 years but our family connection goes back to 1917 where Linda's grandfather drove the standard oil cart H drawn cart um in fact um it was at the adjacent building that her grandfather saved the county uh Bull and cows by putting them up on um bales of hay duri
ng the flood and he lived off of cow milk for three days um my grandkids are sixth generation Santi and I really like the idea that in 2124 they look back their grandchildren look back and at this meeting we were able to assure that that area was preserved for their benefit thank you no further speakers other than Gary St good evening Mr Mayor vice mayor councilman friends right um I'm G to Gary straw I'm a resident and I'm also representing the Santi Historical Society here tonight and I want t
o Trump AJ my great-grandfather moved here in 1913 so um pending details um we're cautiously optimistic with this plan we understand the need for subsidized housing and we look forward to the city gaining control of the Park area with a more stable agreement we would be in a position to work with you obtaining private and state funds to maintain the barn and the and the property around it I'm confident you will do the right thing I'm not so confident about the county and that's it thank you all
right um one thing that I want to say before we go into discussion is that uh a lot of people ask the question about affordable homes and many people are under the impression that that is a uh what they call high density um affordable or what do they call that high density lowincome housing and that's not what affordable housing is uh if you look around Santi we have affordable housing projects here that would never even know uh many people that live in those places it's the closest they could e
ver come to living in maybe at or at a country club because they are done that well and they have those many amenities in the past we were able to control a lot of what happened on uh the property at affordable housing for instance we could uh cause the management of those properties to do things like financial literacy for the people that are living there tutoring for the children that are there and uh a variety of different amenities could be placed there and they've always been very good not
only that but affordable housing is can be only temporary because it's based on income so let's say you have a single parent and they're living there with their two children they end up getting remarried and then uh they want to bring in that uh spouse and now the spouse is working so they both make too much money to live there so it's a hand uh up type of living facility versus a hand out living facility so they're really very um very good for neighbors and neighborhoods uh that they go into so
having said that I just a lot of people are concerned about that word affordable housing and so I just thought I'd would go ahead and describe what affordable housing really is so um Ron you have uh some comments yeah I brought this idea up in 2020 um to Joel Anderson's office uh we've been working on this for four years now and uh we're finally making progress um my concern has always been first of all I want to see the barn where there's a park there but I knew that there's going to have to b
e a give and take if we do this so when I brought this plan up originally and I I've uh given it to I'll say two and a half of the three uh supervisors right now cuz one of them is no longer with us but um so they they're are they've been aware of this for since literally 2020 um and when we did this the idea was that we we give up some affordable housing and we because we have to and we're required to and we need to come up with homes to do it but we all we get a park out of it and that's what
this deal does it gives us Park not as big as I wanted but it gives us some ability to do um I'm a little concerned about the other other item but it's hidden in the back next to the jail so whatever they put in there they're going to have to uh they're they've got a nice view of the jail right there to kind of remind them what what's going on um so I I will make a motion to approve this but I think it's to um our benefit to do it I'm very concerned about what could go in there otherwise and uh
we heard about the tiny homes which you kind of saw me flip out over when the time came uh with it um I'm concerned it could be worse than this and the county unless you have something in writing with them they have no problem changing their mind doing what they want so we're definitely in approval of this and I think it's going to be a good addition so so I am you know this is progress in the right direction with the county and the fact that there is some park space here dedicated where the bar
n is um is is what people in Santi want um I just wonder is there any I mean the county I guess owns the barn too or how does that work so the county owns the barn and they probably couldn't care less about the barn and Santi wants and loves the barn is there any kind of process to CLA you know make it be a a true historical building that they can't tear down or there's no such there's no such thing by the way okay I don't know so that's what I'm asking oh okay you have an answer to that for tha
t got an answer for okay the Barney is on the historical register but that doesn't mean they couldn't condemn it or something else but but it's as protected as it can be um and I know it looks run down but it's physically in pretty good shape it just it's only rundown looking because they won't let you do anything right right we can't do anything outside and and you know we don't want to spend money on it if they can throw us out in two months so right but okay it is on the register thank you so
I think Council just a couple of quick comments to move forward with the rest of your comments and to answer perhaps some of the concerns from our um our great historical citizens here and our Historical Society this is a step towards the city and the county negotiating on trying to look at what happens on the property on the North End the par the Park area and the barn that has to be a decision by this Council and the County Board of Supervisors on what happens with that this is just the first
step in that process it doesn't it doesn't say we're going to take it over it doesn't say we can't but it gives us at least a property to talk about right now their property lines don't even align with the plan that is currently on the schematic that we showed you so this is just a way to get a step towards that and then we can start talking about a affordable housing and how that comes in and what sort of amenities that has maybe how that ties into the barn and maybe the county negotiates with
us to be able to take over that property should the city be financially in the position to be able to handle that right because that all comes with a cost as well but this is just the first step okay thank you for clarifying that and then um with these other Parcels for attainable housing um I think of Weston whose um development standards or building standards do they have to follow city of sanes okay that's good that's actually a great thing okay and then um you know of course that big orange
blob the other County use five acres is concerning but overall we're getting closer to what I think we we've you you all have been working for for a long time so um I'll second I'll second the motion just yeah maybe can you go back to the map please for a second a couple questions about so in our in our town center plan arts and Entertainment District we have we have a road going through there right is that able to still happen with this park at at the top I see the it's highlight it says propo
sed access roads this doesn't this not a city street you know is that are we able Carl can maybe you can are we able to put Road through the through the park there through the middle of it is there any issues with the our what we've already created with the Arts and entertainment it's in line with the Arts and Entertainment District proposal that will be coming forward to you as a full proposal at a later dat yeah okay just want to make sure and then Sean maybe you could help me understand the l
ike councilman Hall said you know we don't have that in writing from the county like saying you know we're yes this is good that we can do this we can't do this it like what's the legal side of of of us agreeing to this like are we committed to to something are we saying yeah hey we it's just it's a I mean if you look at what you're saying you're you're saying hey we seem to be moving in the right direction let's keep going it doesn't there's no commitment I mean all these things have to be work
ed out over time nothing is binding with with this it's just you know it's an expression of hey this seems to be aligning with what we're doing and we like that so you know that that's your expression of support it's it's um but it's clearly non-binding I mean you're you're you're just moving together collaboratively which is what the point of this exercise would be has this gone before the Board of Supervisors yet no they're probably waiting on what we're going to do yeah they're waiting for th
is or yes they'll they'll they'll accept it oh I I don't have any doubt they'll accept it because they're getting all the benefit out of it they're they're trying to screw us and and say take it so I don't no doubt they're going to accept here here's one advantage though is uh the county is not going to build affordable housing what they're going to do is they're going to um sell it to a somebody and then once it's sold it puts it in a whole different category that means that it has to uh comply
with everything that we have in our Zoning for um for the city of s so the um County cannot have a precedence opinion or action over the property once it's sold we we have also talked to two again two and a half um developers that have uh um come forward been interested in already picking up the property the other one was scheduled to come in and talk to me but they backed out the last minute so these not these partial lines these are are proposed new Parcels new new APN is that fair okay it's
got four four new Parcels here this open space Park one that's something to be negotiated in the future with the city who how what that who's going to run it what it looks like County Park City Park whatever is that fair okay I'm just having a real heartache with the county actually doing what they said they're going to do Mr sh let me ask you a question I got I we um we went into an agreement with the c with the county for a grant with to to clear our River you know homeless encampments like th
at has the county cleaned a single a single encampment since that we went in that agreement with them a year ago yes they have started the templ cleanups that is correct sir okay that makes me feel a little better okay I don't know Rob uh I've got a lot of consternation over this and that was the reason I talked to Sean about it earlier with regards to actually what count or vice mayor trer just uh just stated or just questioned as as to what what is our was our liability on this what what are w
e really tying ourselves to and the reality is it's very little more than what it's already out there if anything more uh it is just another step forward I got to tell you guys though I this ominous other County use blob that's not that's not an accident that's not an accident that's that's other County use is there for a reason and that's what's got me worried about this whole darn thing is that spot right there my concern is that whole partiel could be other counties you that's the and that's
my biggest concern and and that's been the concern from day one that's why in 2020 I started this whole process well this will be this will be a fight of fights if and when they decide to try and do some homeless shelter or something of that nature on the other County use site that's but now the whole I'm telling you now I know I agree but so I did actually write a note that said track this for that particular they there's no way they proactively tracking it too so it's not a surprise like it wa
s last time right now they well appar it wasn't a surprise some surpr they knew exactly what they were doing and they sent a letter to us months before that they they know exactly it was a surprise to me but not apparently to others so that's why I'm saying this is not something that I I they they absolutely know what they want to use this for um it doesn't saying no now however doesn't doesn't help anything saying yes doesn't hurt anything I'll I'll play nice right now but guys mark my words ma
n they know exactly what they're going to do with that piece of land hard to believe you would have an opinion on it yeah they are they have they have every intention of doing something there they just don't want to say it right now because they want us to play nice so I track it very closely yeah that's it it should be staff tracking this closely and keeping us informed and actually keeping all of us informed yes that would be nice my my biggest concern is and uh as we go through any kind of ne
gotiation on this is that we do everything we can to get that um Parklands um in our titled in our name and um you know then that way we can and if we can even make the barn part of that land agreement uh even better because you know what then that way we could start working together on getting that place where we want it to be uh you know you don't you don't have to worry about uh where people are going to park how they're going to make Ingress ESS where's the emergency exit all those things ca
n be worked out and uh we will have a topnotch you know Park parklike area where people can go park go to the museum people can go when there's a special event there know they're going to park someplace and I have to wonder if they're parking for instance in you know goph for holes or not oring over something I agree with you wholeheartedly up and until the point where they say you can do that if we put a homeless shelter right here see that's just it I am not going to give up on that's that's n
ot that's not something I'm going to cons ConEd on no I I I get that and I'm not even suggesting that we even think about that all right I'm just saying we have to you know make sure that we whatever we do there we negotiate the highest best use for it and uh in my opinion that is a highest best use is that well you know Park area didn't we classify that as affordable housing anyway um so council member the the open space Park the affordable housing number one and affordable housing number two a
re consistent with our town center specific plan update that's moving forward with the Arts and entertainment neighborhood the other County use the land is consistent but the use is not we would definitely prefer if that was also listed as affordable housing to be consistent with our housing element but we at this point anything they do there could be whatever they want and so this is again it's just a step right we did that we did as didn't we come through and and make that our classification i
s that yes sir the city council has already said yes this works with the Center Road you already looked at that those were elements that City council's approved so that that partial that says other County use so do we have AR Arena allocation for that within our numbers so if you recall we did an overc capacity when we established our affordable housing reson we're reducing the number though right by not having that as an affordable which is why we will continue to work with the county to see if
we can get them to affordable housing and as well with the other units that are moving forward on other properties who would rather do non-aff just they have it as other County use doesn't change our zoning on it though that's what I've been trying to say no but the uses the use could be different than what we right it they could choose to do something different however it doesn't change our zoning on it yeah so that hate to say it like this but that's another bridge to cross when we get to it
unfortunately and uh we will do uh well when another five years we'll do Raina again or six years something like that I forget so okay I I have a motion and I have a second on that please vote motion carries unanimously thank you very much speaker slips no all right no speaker slips on non agenda public comment city council reports I'm going to let Laura talk about her transfer care Laura want to start down the other end while you look I'm just gonna make this comment about so we we attended the
transfer of care um meeting yesterday which is basically talking about the offload times from when the ambulance sits on the wall and this is just specifically for Grossmont Hospital but hospitals in general are seeing a a definite surge in the emergency rooms and so therefore the pushes that offload times take longer although Grossmont Hospital once again is doing better than others around the county and um the county provided some data and I just and Andy par was sitting next to me yesterday
so I just like is this true like just crazy to me um it was some metrics sorry I wasn't ready um basically I I think it showed like in January there were 189 um uh this was it was a 100 day look so they picked you know I picked a day in January where it was a peak and it was 189 issues or or people admitted with some something related to influenza so it could have been the flu it could have been Co it could have been anything that but then the next highest peak for that same day or within those
days what it is um related to some kind of substance substance abuse and and I said and so it was like 189 and then then the next one was 119 of substance abuse substance abuse issues and and then everything else was much further Below on that and I just thought wow we're you know the h hospitals are overwhelmed the emergency rooms are overwhelmed they literally don't have the space to put people they're just you know beyond capacity and um so I asked I said well how long has this been going on
is this like a me 10 year Trend 20 year Trend three three year Trend so you know obviously named fentanyl but the fact that this is a three-year Trend I don't see it going away unless something really changes you know just add just was I was so eye openening it's a very valuable meeting to attend I I like you know hearing what they have to say you you might think it's one thing but then to see the data you're like wow it's crazy that's it maybe we should show them the formula for building emerge
ncy uh emergency rooms well they've they've changed emergency rooms a little bit so they've actually made it the doctor comes out and sees the person now versus you know running them through the system and then later on so it's actually a better they're it's a little bit faster at Grossmont and that's the advantage of doing it I don't know if the chief has any comments he'd like to make yeah grm said uh they're doing the best they can they're the busiest Hospital in the county but they're actual
ly their numbers compared to County averages are are better in a lot of areas so we have a great relationship with them they're doing the best that they can with um again all these very complex variables that they're faced with so there there is a lot of value in the meetings without a doubt there's about 20 of us that are there on a given day and maybe even a little more and um every fire department's there and uh Grossmont uh takes it very seriously and they theyve done it uh my wife there wit
h me the Grossmont Healthcare board and the guy that runs it uh the CEO Christian Wallace actually was the one that um put it all together for us so is that it it's interesting DUS anything just a quick announcement next Wednesday night we'll have the District 4 town hall right here at uh City Hall be uh presenting on obviously not only District 4 but the whole entire city things are going on here so if you guys can join us here otherwise you can watch us on Sant TV just like tonight thank you y
ou do that no that's something different that is for next week but he won't be here so gotta all right that's Mr Mayor okay uh just let you know I did not attend the Cal City's board of directors meeting uh last week I was not in a position to uh take 7 hours flying to uh Fresno and then driving another 90 minutes to yosity just to come back two days later um I know crazy crazy stuff going on um that's pretty much all I have uh sandag wasn't anything really significant that went on there um well
it's kind of early in a year yet so standby to standby yeah city manager nothing tonight sir C attorney no report okay great thank you that's going to take us to a close session and you know what I'd like to do is uh take [Music] um now we'll just take them in the order they're at I was thinking it was the other way around for a second thanks for everybody that's hung in there with us all evening all right let the let the record reflect that we're back in uh Open session we had uh item number 1
1 conference with legal counsel no action taken nothing to report uh item number 12 public employee performance evaluation action taken Direction given to staff to bring back for Open Session and that concludes our meeting adjourned
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