I react to The Style Theorists testing sunscreen on themselves, and possibly getting skin cancer. Tanning is skin cells in trauma!
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0:00 People really don’t wear sunscreen, even Australians
2:38 EU vs US sunscreen ingredients, sunscreen absorbs into blood?
4:44 Coral reefs, science by press release (and what’s with that NOAA page)
8:32 Hard-to-say names, experimental design
12:04 Sunscreen pricing
13:48 “Wet Force”, “Heat Force”
16:36 Things get dicey, some trauma
18:53 More trauma
19:55 Chemical vs mineral
20:51 EVEN MORE TRAUMA
23:38 “Mineral” sunscreens
25:47 Weird results?
27:48 Safer sunscreens?
29:08 Good marketing, “fun” fact
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I decided to opt for four straight
days using a mix of their fastest bed which had a 70/30 divide and
the instant bed with its 50/50 He said he read up on tanning beds!
He's wearing mayonnaise! I'm Michelle I'm a chemistry PhD cosmetic
chemist and sunscreen science nerd Style Theory recently did a
video called Sunscreen is a LIE?! where they basically try to do one of
those tests you see on TikTok where people put sunscreens on themselves to test them but more scientific ish a bunch of peop
le asked me to react to it and
it's a really interesting concept so I'm going to make it a lot less fun by commenting on
it from a sunscreen science point of view I'm sure we all have at least one person
in our life who just doesn't believe in sunscreen my mom for instance famously
doesn't think that sunscreen works and her upgrading to an SPF 8 was a
huge moment in her character arc but she's certainly not alone in thinking that according to one study 11% of
Americans wear sunscreen every
day but a whopping 46% never wear sunscreen at all of course making your own choice to
not wear sunscreen is one thing but it becomes entirely different when you
start telling others to follow your lead first off I'm so happy to see someone
with a big platform outside of that skincare and health social media space
take on all this anti-sunscreen BS it is a huge problem sunscreen is a really
well demonstrated way to protect your skin against UV from the sun which leads
to skin cancer accel
erated skin damage it even counts as personal protective
equipment for people working in the sun obviously there are a lot of science
communicators in health and skincare spending time debunking a lot of these
myths around sunscreen everywhere but algorithms tend to feed you more info
that you already are looking at so it can be really hard to reach people
outside of that bubble sometimes even in Australia which is the
skin cancer capital of the world there was this Cancer Council
survey
that showed that in 2019 this was done in January which is like the
middle of summer when everyone is just roasting only 37% of people wore SPF 30
sunscreen the previous weekend 12% used no sun protection which includes things like hats sunglasses sunscreen and
also like long pants and long tops 21% got sunburned that is one-fifth of people and yeah this is a country where
two out of three people get skin cancer by the age of 70 and everyone knows
someone who's had a chunk of skin cut out m
y primary school principal he
came back to school once and he had like I think it was a chunk of
ear attached to his nose or vice versa so yeah it is really really scary that we have
so much awareness of this everyone literally knows someone and yet people are just not taking
these really easy steps to protect themselves I kind of get where they're coming from looking across these videos the
overwhelming complaint stems from the large quantity of hard to pronounce chemicals that are put int
o our sunscreens that
are foreign to the average consumer specifically octocrylene and avobenzone here's the thing though both of
those have been approved for use by both the FDA and the European
commission as being safe to use again I really respect that Style Theory are
going outside of their niche to take on this topic it takes so much less research and
education and just critical thinking to make fear-mongering videos that appeal
to people's sense of like stranger danger and natural is
better with these
hard to pronounce chemical names A lot of the time debunking this feels like
you're trying to stop a flood with a cup I also wanted to point out that a lot of
these chemical sunscreens aren't actually used anymore I think the last time I saw a
sunscreen with Padimate O in it was the 90s there's about 11 commonly used chemical sunscreens
in the US and all of those are also approved in the EU including oxybenzone which is another
ingredient that people tend to freak out ab
out and a lot of that freaking out is pushed
by organizations like the environmental working group who release this really
fear-mongery sunscreen "report" every year it's a massive problem in addition while a recent study did
find that there is some absorption of these and other sunscreen ingredients
into the bloodstream after application the study also directly pointed out
and I quote these findings do not indicate that individuals should
refrain from the use of sunscreen yeah this study
that they show here is used by
a lot of people to fearmonger about sunscreens it's by the FDA and I wrote a
couple of blog posts about it it's actually been known for quite a long time
that you can find traces of sunscreen in blood there were some pretty well-known
studies in the late 90s the FDA regulates sunscreens in a kind of rigid way which is why these studies were
done and presented the way they are other countries have taken
this sunscreen absorption into blood into account when lo
oking
at their safety for quite a long time I did this video going through the EU's recent
safety assessment for oxybenzone a while back basically we are just really good at
detecting tiny tiny amounts of stuff in blood now or in anything really
so just because we can detect it doesn't mean it's at a high enough
level to actually have any impact no the real threat that sunscreen seems to pose
is less directed at us and more at marine wildlife according to the National Park Service 14 000
tons of sunscreen enter coral reefs every year coral reefs are super important
to the health of marine organisms often serving as the literal home
for hundreds of aquatic friendos they don't call coral reefs the
rainforests of the ocean for nothing there's now an outcry from environmental sciences that some of the ingredients in sunscreen
are damaging the already fragile ecosystem the concern for coral has actually become
so widespread that the state of Hawaii began banning sunscreen that c
ontained
the chemicals linked to coral damage as a result sunscreen manufacturers are
rushing to try and find Alternatives that are compliant with regulations using more
natural minerals like zinc oxide this is only over the Internet so I understand why
people think this but it's not correct the scientific evidence doesn't Point towards
sunscreens being a big issue for coral reefs so Story Time with Michelle so back in 2015 there was this
paper published with a lot of fanfare about how sun
screen was killing coral basically what the scientists did in this study
was they had coral and then they put sunscreen in it and they looked at what concentration
of sunscreen would start harming coral then they went to Hawaii and went to
some areas near coral reefs they took some water samples and measured the
concentrations of sunscreen in them and they found that those concentrations were
higher than the amount needed to harm coral so it seems like a pretty
straightforward conclusion n
ow all of these headlines were from the day the paper was published and
this isn't even all of them this is a really unusual amount of coverage
for a paper that was published on the same day so it turns out that the press release was sent
out before the paper was actually available it was embargoed until like one minute after
midnight on the day the paper was published this is something called science by press release basically there is just no way that
any of these reporters actually read
the study critically or asked for
commentary from other coral scientists they would have just relied
on what the press release said and this is a big problem because there
were a lot of issues with the paper some of their numbers were based off like a single sample of ocean water
that was less than half a cup they also tested the coral
with DMSO which is like a chemical that makes corals just like suck stuff in so after all of this press
attention there were some coral scientists who gave
more sensible opinions I did a video in 2018 about it and
in 2021 some scientists published papers where they showed that they
couldn't replicate their measurements finally in August 2022 there was this like 400
page report released by the national academies it was written by this committee that
had some of the top coral scientists who went over all of the data on the
environmental impacts of sunscreen basically the evidence doesn't point
towards sunscreen having much of an impact on coral
reefs especially when you're
comparing it with stuff like climate change if it is an issue then it does
doesn't seem to be a widespread issue around the world the most bleached coral
doesn't match where there's the most sunscreen so these bans weren't really
based on solid scientific evidence and there's a lot of concern that these
bans could actually increase skin cancer most people don't like the feel of
zinc oxide sunscreens they're not really wearable for people with darker skin tones
I actually got invited to do a talk for
the Hawaiian Dermatological Society about sunscreen because they were worried about
this that's why I have these slides prepared also if sunscreen was an issue
zinc oxide isn't necessarily a more environmentally friendly alternative that report shows that chemical and
physical sunscreens completely overlap in terms of their environmental impacts zinc
is actually classified as an aquatic pollutant anyway that outcry over chemical sunscreens
destroyin
g coral reefs is not a majority opinion it just seems that way because
it was the first narrative that took hold and really annoyingly there
are sources that look legit like the NOAA they have a page that says
their sunscreens are killing coral reefs the national academies report actually
specifically points out this page as an example of something that makes
it really confusing for consumers so on one hand we have science
telling us that sunscreen use is both safe and necessary for human
bodies but at the same time we have evidence that suggests that it might
be damaging our aquatic ecosystems and then you have the whole other crew of people
saying that they use natural solutions instead I never use cancer cream whenever I'm in the
sun I use organic coconut oil to hydrate my skin yeah that is a terrible idea UV isn't dehydrating your skin it's doing deeper permanent damage to your skin
cells your DNA your collagen also I'm pretty sure that guy is the same guy who just said
you can't pronounce these
chemicals therefore they're scary and it's like that is a you issue that is you should learn to read better also I don't think he's ever tried looking at like plant names because plant
names have the worst names they're like weird and Latin at least in chemistry is systematic it's
like once you learn how to pronounce root words you can jam them together
it's not awful like plant names I really hate plant names but gotta say he didn't use the control and the
sunscre
ens were all different and I just started to internally scream as I saw that experimental
design and it going super viral hence this video do sunscreens actually work? are there safer alternatives? do the online hacks work? does SPF matter? I wanted to test it all so we designed and then redesigned and
then redesigned a third time a scientific experiment that would finally answer
all of our questions about sunscreen and we have the answers let me tell you
they're far from the answers that I
expected I really relate to this a lot of the
experiments I see on TikTok are just bad so like testing stuff with ph strips
when pH doesn't actually matter looking at things through UV
cameras and like "proving stuff" there was like a brand that was
spreading sunscreen on toast experimental design is one of those basic
things we learn in science to try to make sure that a test is fair so I think it'll be really
interesting to see how he does it differently at first we thought that this one
was going to
be easy just buy a bunch of sunscreen and lay out the balmy North Carolina Sun for two
hours exactly like Tyler did for his test but unlike Tyler we were a bit more
careful about how we chose our sunscreens to make sure our results were as
reliable as possible we got a low medium and high SPF in each of three
different popular consumer brands Banana Boat Sun Bum and Neutrogena we
even did our best to ensure that spfs were consistent across those brands 35 50 and 70 we also wa
nted two extremes an
extreme high and an extreme low that got us a four in Hawaiian
Tropic and a hundred in Banana Boat and that's not all we also
wanted to test price point with more expensive or fancier brands
of sunscreen perform any differently I think this approach makes a lot of sense in science you do generally
want to control the variables but one piece of background info
that I feel like he might already already know and he is maybe not telling
us maybe he'll talk about it later
that SPF number on the bottle of any sunscreen actually comes from this really
strictly controlled experiment every sunscreen formula has to get applied to human volunteers and then
tested for their UV protection the method is really finicky it's been developed and redeveloped over decades in most of the rest of the world
it's called the iso method 24444 the US uses the FDA method which
is just a little bit different and you can actually test different formulas of sunscreen with it because i
t's
standardized based on weight it's two milligrams per square centimeter but that info is not going to make
it as interesting a story for a video but I'm still really interested to see how he
goes through developing his test because this is exactly how scientists would have started thinking
about how to test sunscreens back in the day it's like the first steps towards getting
this super refined standardized test so I think it'll be really interesting
to see what problems he runs into and
compare how he solves them to how they've
managed to solve them in the proper SPF test and hoo boy I knew that Sephora
was going to have that expensive stuff but I was not prepared for the
insanity that was their pricing logic this one costs less than this guy
right here it has a higher SPF it works longer 80 minutes versus
40 minutes so double the time yeah but this is a gel so there's a
high premium put on sunscreens that don't show up on your skin they don't
leave like a white sheen o
n your face or on your skin so that you can just
be dewy and so this one is a gel and it's supposed to specifically go on sheer
and totally scentless on all skin types hey fun fact turns out you can get away with charging double the price for something that's less
protective but is clear and odorless score I can see where he's coming from but this is
legitimately a problem for a lot of people especially people with darker skin and especially
if they want to wear sunscreen on a daily basis a
nd not just like at the beach or the pool where
you don't really care as much what you look like the World Health Organization does
recommend wearing sunscreen when the UV index is three or over and darker skinned
people do have a lot more protection against skin cancer and sun-induced wrinkles but
UV also messes up pigment producing cells that means you end up with uneven pigment
and a lot of people don't like that also there is a practical protection
aspect for nicer feeling sunscreens s
tudies have found that people will apply more
of a nicer sunscreen and that matters because you'll have more molecules of sunscreen
on your skin waiting there to absorb UV but there is definitely some
pricing shenanigans going on here brands can charge more for face products
and that test for SPF is the same so if you find a body sunscreen that you like wearing on your face you can
totally go ahead and use it but brands do tend to put more of their lighter
feeling skin smoothing tech in th
e face products we also learned that luxury brands aren't immune from using wacky gimmicks
to sell their effectiveness it has something called wet force
and something called heat force oh man wet force and heat force it's like the Power Rangers of sunscreen we are definitely paying Power Ranger prices again I get where they're coming from
but Shiseido are a legit company who hire scientists and they invest in actual scientific
research which is less common than you would hope brands do use a
lot of wacky marketing
names for legit science and honestly I think a big part of it is that
they underestimate our intelligence wet force is their name for this tech they use
where the UV protection actually goes up when sunscreen comes in contact with water
and sweat which is not usually the case heat force is similar except with heat and just when you thought it
was impossible to rub any more substances into my body we wanted to
test some of the anti-sunscreen hacks we went with the co
conut oil but
we also tried avocado because we saw that come up in a lot of Internet blogs
and lastly we tried mayonnaise for the memes I don't know if they controlled this and
just didn't mention it but one thing that is super important for getting reliable
sunscreen tests is the amount that you use in the proper SPF test they use two
milligrams per square centimeter and that's where all those like teaspoon
and shot glass recommendations come from and that is super important because
suns
creen is kind of like paint so paint tries to block out like light
from hitting whatever's underneath so that it doesn't interact
with it and become visible so if you don't have like enough paint particles or paint molecules then you
can see the thing underneath it's the same idea with sunscreen sunscreen is essentially trying to hide your skin
from the sun to stop that UV from getting through in the actual SPF test they're also really careful about how they apply to get that
layer of sunsc
reen really even they usually do some SPF estimates
on slides first and there's like the special robot they get to spread
it out more evenly and it's called the spreadmaster it was time to analyze our
results I was dumbfounded because scientifically this didn't make any sense my best guess here is that all the sweat
on my back might have contaminated the test results mixing into an unholy soup of lotion that
protected my back but ultimately burned the data we also realized that there
was a
n issue with the sun while I stayed perfectly still all the sun you know moved which created an
uneven toasting across my back that left us with too many major problems to solve how do you control the sun and your own sweat alright so they've talked about the
results that was a really long segment so I'm probably going to edit that down but
yeah those are two of the big issues that are solved with the proper sunscreen test
with something called a solar simulator this is basically like a lamp
that's
really carefully designed to produce the same wavelengths of UV as
the sun so you don't need to deal with the sun moving around
and shadows and all of that stuff it also means that they can focus the
light onto like really really small circles on the person's back and it limits
the skin damage on the rest of the person and that also controls the sweat because it's
like a lot less hot for people lying around we decided to change up the experiment a bit when you can't have the sun co
me to
you why don't you go to the Sun the suntan city that is baby the thought process here was that we
would be able to get a consistent even tan across every square inch of my
body all while not sweating because the beds are equipped with fans and
things designed to keep you cool the beds are also more time efficient according to the workers there 12 minutes in some of these beds is the equivalent
to three hours of sun exposure so if we you really wanted to
test how sunscreen works under
extended intense sun exposure this was gonna be it tanning beds are so bad please
do not try this on yourself Australia actually banned tanning beds
about 10 years ago because there are a whole bunch of horrifying stats on what
happens with like just one tanning session anyone who was in Australia at the time who wasn't like a fetus will remember this
because it was like everywhere there was all this public debate I think we all know that tanning beds aren't
great but it is so much worse t
han I thought so more people develop skin cancer because of indoor tanning than develop lung
cancer because of smoking those who have ever tanned indoors have an
83% increased risk of developing squamous cell carcinoma that's one type of skin cancer and a 29% increased risk of developing
basal cell carcinoma another type any use of a tanning bed before age 35 is associated with a 75%
increase in risk for melanoma and yeah that's because turning beds do
have super intense UV but tanning beds
are also designed so that you burn
less so that you can tan for longer burning is mostly from shorter
wavelengths of UV called UVB so that means that these tanning
beds have a lot more UVA than UVB and UVA is bad because it seems to have a big
role in triggering melanoma so on top of the risk of the tanning beds this is also not a good way to
test how well a sunscreen protects against burning because they purposely got rid of a lot of those burning wavelengths so you
have to get longer ex
posure you have to get a lot more
UVA to get the same result I'm really hoping that he came across these stats before he did this so he doesn't
end up using the bed that much you see the tanning salon really threw me for a loop when they started to talk about
the four different bed types and how they each had different mixtures of
UV light which made me finally realize hey maybe I should have done some more research before jumping into this experiment
which is exactly what I finally did oka
y so maybe he didn't see those
tanning bed stats the first time but now he will and he's only had
five minutes in there so it's okay I was not expecting to be
this stressed about this video you guys told me this would be fun I don't know if there are any other Australians watching this but there was this
ad about 10 years ago and it said tanning is skin cells in trauma tanning is skin cells in trauma and it's got these like animations
of melanoma cells like going into your blood and going t
o your
brain and going to your lungs it's this really scary ad and I feel like every
Australian has this burned into their brains it's almost like you know the forest fire
meme that people in the US talk about like I say this to my friend Hannah all the time tanning is skin cells in trauma like they show the melanoma and it looks
like mud going into the thing this is YouTube so I could
just like show you the video I'll just show you the video yeah so like UV is bad but then what is sunscree
n supposed to do well that ultimately depends on the type chemical sunscreens your typical lotions
and sprays are absorbed into the skin and act as another line of defense to
absorb UV light just like melanin does on the other hand mineral sunscreens like
zinc oxide sit on top of the skin acting as a shield reflecting UV light back into the
world before it can penetrate into your skin no all right this is an easy mistake
to make because it is literally everywhere even on the American
Acade
my of Dermatology website I actually recently published a scientific article with some dermatologists about
this myth and why it's a problem it mistakenly leads some people into
believing that mineral sunscreens will work better but in reality mineral sunscreens
mostly work just by absorbing UV like chemical sunscreens and only about five percent
of the protection comes from reflection and both of them mostly sit on top of
the skin or just like in the very top few layers of dead skin cells
so the UV ends
up gone before it gets to those living cells in either case sunscreen gives your melanocytes just enough time to produce the melanin
needed to protect your skin from damage if you forget to apply sunscreen or
if you stay out for too long your skin becomes overwhelmed and that UV radiation
starts to literally destroy your skin cells this isn't quite right so when the sun hits
your skin the melanin pigment that's already in your skin oxidizes and darkens and kind of
spreads ou
t a bit and gives some protection but you don't get an increase in the melanin yet so this immediate effect mostly comes from UVA
and about three days later then the melanocytes start producing extra melanin to give a longer
lasting tan and that is mostly a UVB effect but a suntan still only gives you
about SPF three or four protection so it still lets in a third to a quarter of
the UV with both of these effects combined this is also why tanning beds are
extra crap because they don't give m
uch of a protective tan because
they are so heavy on that UVA one study found that they only got SPF 1.2
ish after about like 10 tanning bed sessions so tanning is pretty much your body trying
to protect itself in a pretty imperfect way and even amounts of UV that don't burn your skin can damage your DNA which is in that
tanning is skin cells in trauma video and you haven't even started to burn yet they should really just rerun this
ad because that is just so good and you see it's this bala
nce of
UVA and UVB that I hadn't really considered when I first got to the tanning salon different beds with their different
bulb makeups all deliver different relative amounts of these two lights with beds
ranging from the basic model and a 90/10 UVA to UVB split all the way up to the instant
beds with the skin crackling 50/50 split so for our experiment I decided to
opt for four straight days using a mix of their fastest bed which had a 70 30
divide and the instant bed with its 50 50 he
said he read up on tanning beds he's wearing mayonnaise I hope he's never ever had
any relatives with skin cancer there is like a big genetic component to it like maybe he's mixed race maybe
he's not like completely white ethnicity: Caucasian maybe the internet's wrong he's a YouTuber so he probably lives in
a cave like the rest of the time right am I in like the denial or bargaining phase here oh my God this is really stressful so I mean it seems pretty definitive
as far as where I'm standi
ng this is your control right here pretty obviously everything around it
not tan and not red and angry at me so it says that suntan lotion
is clearly doing something honestly I think what I'm
most surprised by with this is every square worked which is shocking to me this one right here this is the 7 SPF literally nothing unchanged fantastic I don't know if that's really unchanged to me I don't know if it's the camera
but it looks a little bit reddish in actual SPF testing they're looking for
the slightest bit of reddening it's
called the minimal erythemal dose they have specially trained people who have to get like their redness spotting
abilities checked to spot that it's also worth calling out the fact
that like hey some of these were minerals most of these had like the uncomfortable
chemicals that people can't pronounce they all work fine but the ones that
had minerals that didn't have any of those fancy scientific
ingredients yep totally fine regular lab muffin viewers ar
e looking up the
ingredients for this now and checking for BOS so mineral sunscreens don't work that well
without being pretty white on your skin so a lot of brands use a booster and it's a
essentially octyl salicylate a chemical sunscreen except with like a few extra
carbons so it absorbs UV just like a chemical sunscreen but it's not listed
on the label as a chemical sunscreen it's like a bit of a loophole and it's not
really a problem for most people because chemical sunscreens are safe
but it does kind
of demonstrate the shortcomings of mineral sunscreens because so many brands feel the need
to pretend that their sunscreen is fully mineral if you are allergic to octyl salicylate
then that is an ingredient to look out for but for everyone else it's not really a
big issue but it's worth noting that chemical sunscreens are safe and these sorts of loopholes
wouldn't exist if people would just accept that it doesn't matter the ingredients the SPF don't use mayonnaise that's d
umb I wasted a week of my life and probably gave myself like skin cancer or something
to prove to you that sunscreen works you're welcome internet now can I get this tape off my body so what is our big takeaway from
this long arduous experience it turns out that stuff that we've been
rubbing onto our bodies for years and has gone through rigorous experimentation it
does indeed protect your skin from sunburn shocking I know science works who would have guessed it sunscreen is one of the few s
kincare
products where that final formula does have to be clinically tested on human
skin for effectiveness before it gets sold and that's pretty cool because that is not the case for pretty much anything
else except like drug products and it's not foolproof every year
you'll see sunscreens like failing tests and a while ago one of the really big sunscreen
testing labs was conducting hardcore fraud a guy went to jail but most of the time when a sunscreen
doesn't work on you it's human erro
r like not applying enough or not reapplying missing spots not reapplying after you go into the water maybe applying sunscreen only
after you've gone into the sun and you've gotten quite a lot of
UV or applying expired sunscreen we found that there wasn't a strong
correlation to SPF and the tan that we got honestly I expected there to
be a bit more of a gradient across my body with lower SPFs failing and
letting in at least some of the rays I mean each session in the tanning booth was
mean
t to be the equivalent to three hours I would have expected some of the lower
SPF contenders to lose some level of effectiveness over that time giving us at least
some level of tan but no they seem totally okay I am a little surprised by this I would have
expected at least one of them to show a difference especially because they didn't seem to really
control how much they applied or how they applied but I guess it does make sense tanning beds are more UVA biased so
it gives more UVA than th
e sun does so that you can turn for longer without burning so again it is literally like the most ineffective
way of testing SPF because that is about burning and it's also less safe because you're
getting more UVA for the same dose of UVB I don't think those numbers for the
tanning beds are actually accurate because the sun produces about 95% UVA and 5% UVB those tanning beds I think those
numbers must be relative to the sun so it's like 10% of the UVB of the
Sun versus 50% of the UVB from
the Sun with those patches where he is burned he is
not like super super red so maybe he got more than enough UV to burn but less than four times as
much so all of these sunscreens would have passed it's kind of like if an exam is too easy then
everyone just gets 100 there's no difference between if you're really really
good at the subject or really bad in the actual SPF test how they get
around this like no result issue is they test how much UV your skin needs to burn
and they also know
the estimated SPF of the sunscreen so they know how much UV to use
in the test to like see where the line is so for like an SPF 30 sunscreen they might use
six different spots some of those spots will get less than 30 times the burning dose some of those
spots will get more than 30 times the burning dose also this setup he's got here is
kind of like the best case scenario most of the time when a sunscreen stops
working it's because the physical film on your skin starts rubbing off and
movi
ng around and like having gaps he's lying around still he's got
cooling fans he's got like no sweat and no movements so that is going to
last a lot better than in real life and if you're really concerned about how
chemicals and sunscreens are affecting your body and or the environment then
it seems like you can absolutely switch to a more mineral based sunscreen
that uses stuff like zinc oxide proven effective both by the FDA and my chest
and they don't get absorbed into your skin that zin
c oxide structure I'm
gonna pretend I didn't see that yeah I mean you can choose the mineral
sunscreens instead and it's good that people who are never going to use a chemical
sunscreen do know that that's an option but I do kind of wish that he mentioned that all of the scientific evidence overwhelmingly
shows that chemical sunscreens are safe mineral sunscreens aren't necessarily
better for the environment like I talked about before but they also aren't
necessarily safer for your health
I've done some videos before explaining
how safety assessments for sunscreens are done and that's what informs what
percentages are allowed in sunscreens there are like huge margins of safety
built into those so it's not like if you apply twice as much you're
going to be in like a danger zone and there are some possible health effects with
mineral sunscreens as well which everyone tends to forget because of this bias that we all have where
we assume natural means that things are safer the
biggest issue is that inhaling mineral
particles is just not great for you the EU actually banned titanium dioxide
nanoparticles in spray sunscreens because of that and also because as the textures
tend to be heavier then people tend to apply less and maybe expose themselves
to more UV than they thought they were finally though perhaps the biggest takeaway of all of this is not relying on sunscreen alone
you know what protected me the best during this entire experiment the medical
tape bet
ween the boxes and my shorts if you're going to be spending time
outside to take advantage of shade hats UV protective clothing like rash guards these will ensure that you're minimizing
your exposure as much as possible and all of those suggestions are
supported not only by the doctors but also by the sunscreen manufacturers themselves even the anti-sunscreen crowd's behind this one good to see that there is
something that we all can agree on Yep this is good advice in Australia we had a bun
ch of Public Health
campaigns which I think is now we're up to slip slop slap seek slide basically to protect yourself from the
sun you kind of want layers of protection so slip on a shirt slop on some sunscreen slap
on a hat seek shade and slide on some sunglasses so that way if one of your layers
has a problem so if you like miss a spot you'll still get some protection
from your other types of protection I don't know if the anti-sunscreen
crowd is really behind this though I see a lot of
people who
are really promoting lying out in the sun and baking as much as possible and yes a little bit of sun exposure is good for you but the amount you
need is really not that much if the UV index is three or over then
you should get enough if you're active in the sun even when you're taking
all of these sun protection measures one extra fun fact that I don't
think a lot of people know why dark skin evolved is not actually
to protect against skin cancer because the average age that pe
ople get
skin cancer and die is like 65 Evolution just does not care if
we live past like reproductive age UV actually destroys folate
which is vitamin B9 in your skin I think that might be a fun fact for
those people who are convinced that you need to lie out in the sun to get a vitamin D you are actually depriving
yourself of a different vitamin that was a surprisingly stressful watch
I am really impressed by his dedication here especially if he did come across
like these single tanning
session stats before he did it which I'm not sure he
did because you did like five sessions I really hope he's okay and I
hope he's really careful about getting mole checks from now on
because that was like not great he was wearing guacamole it's probably not the wisest decision
and I'm glad he warns people not to do it but from like a scientific curiosity
angle I am kind of glad I got to see it so just to re-emphasize don't do it
he's done it for us we don't need to fry ourselves and yea
h if your sunscreen
has an SPF label on it it has already been tested in a much safer and scientific
way than you could possibly do yourself and those tests still aren't foolproof
sunscreens do still fail testing sometimes I have a video all about that this one where I talk about why
things go wrong and how to pick a sunscreen that's more likely to be effective and once you have a good sunscreen you'll
also need to know how to use it and I've got another video which answers probably every
question you've ever had about wearing sunscreen and for the mega mega nerds out
there I co-hosted a sunscreen conference we actually got one of the
top experts in SPF testing to do a talk all of those things will be in the description I hope you enjoyed this I'm gonna go get like this
like stress sweat off me I'll see you next time
Comments
I think what hinders the Theory crew is that they have to straddle the line with entertaining the masses and inserting the necessary science. A lot of the time when watering down the science you end up truncating a proper explanation for this “keeping view retention” because ultimately the Theory audience might only be there for the wacky stuff. This is why there are channels like this who are known for an CAN go in depth into the science.
They should make "all natural" sunscreen out of ASBESTOS! It's natural and easy to pronounce, so it must be good!
“Tanning is skin cells in trauma” omg you just unlocked a memory for me 😂
Michelle, I am by your side as a sunscreen warrior. I have used sunscreen for the past 30 years and i am so happy with my skin. I love it. It does work and i am healthy. ❤
I really hope Mat sees this. I don't know that he has much time these days to look at stuff outside of FNAF, but if he did a follow up that'd be really great.
Girls in my middle school (2002-2006) would go to the tanning salon after school and put a small heart sticker on their hip that would stay pale. I was confounded at how their parents allowed their children to bake in an oven, I couldn’t believe they could be that ignorant. We were 12-14 year olds!
I am 79. Just left the derm and had a biopsy of upper lip. Wear your sunscreen folks! 😮
I think its crazy how there is still a debate about sunscreen being more toxic that LITERAL BURNS FROM RADIATION. As a very pale person ( skin colour: milk ), i cant count how often my ears and nose have gotten blisters because I forgot sunscreen and I could pull the skin off days later ( my nose is now very sensitive to cold and is just one big scar ). I get burns after being out for 20min, my grandpa died of skin cancer in his 60s because he didnt use sunscreen. It just makes me so mad how misinformation gets spread just because most people dont suffer consequences right away.
The bit about UV damaging folate and evolution is really neat. Folate is important for women to take a prenatal vitamin because it prevents neural tube defects. Women’s bodies that were better at holding onto folate would definitely have a reproductive advantage
I still find it weird to see someone talking about using these tanning beds. Here in Brazil they have been banned since 2009, as there is no way of determining a safe level of exposure to UV rays, which can cause skin cancer.
I'm a redhead, 42 and I wear sunscreen everyday, even in winter. (I really like the natio for the face for under make up, but I don't have any knowledge about the white cast issue with my skin tone, so no idea if it has that problem). My Dad has a giant skin graft on his forehead from skincancer treatment and I don't want it to be me. I remember all the sunsmart campaigns in Australia from the 80's and 90's and I think we need another round. Sun protection is sooo critical and it makes me sad to see people undermining such good education. I also can't recommend enough something called a 'stinger suit'. It's basically a wetsuit shaped garment made of uv 50 rated lycra and covers everything except your face, hands and feet, but it's not thick like a wetsuit. Best thing for comfortable swimming sun protection and also projects against blue bottle stings.
I always feel about 2 notches smarter after these type of videos haha. Love sunscreen scienceeee
Tati and her "toxins" need to watch this
9:24 as a taxonomist I love this inter-disciplinary beef, rise up taxonomists against Lab Muffin Beauty Science for the superiority of OUR naming systems!!!
I was born in the late 60s and even in the 80s there was nothing or no one who educated us here in the states on spf. The tanning beds came in the 80s and we were all baking in them and also laying out in the sun with babyoil and iodine mixture. I work in beauty and cringe when I see my customers (mostly older ones) that are still tanning in the sun and/or not wearing sunscreen. Again, you have to understand that here in the states we had no one telling us older generations to use sunscreen as we really had none anyway. I baked my skin until I was about 41 and now am so diligent about sunscreen everyday. Even if theres a blizzard outside and Im not leaving my house Im slathering it on.
Thing is I don't understand. Why would you make your own experiment if sunscreen works? They're tested so there are hundreds of studies showing they do
Yeah that style theory video isn't the worst compared to other content out there but... still spreading some myths, oversimplified science and I fear for his skin after that bed tanning. At least he advised people to wear sunscreen and other forms of sun protection 😅
In related topics, I've read/heard news recently of research using melanin or melanin-like pigments in sunscreen for better protection (particularly for austronauts who also have to deal with other types of radiation aside from UV). Of course it's only in the "look at this cool science thing we found!" stage. But I found it so interesting. (I've also been wondering about how other animals have built-in genes for sun protection and how it could relate to the way we make sunscreens.) I have nothing to add, as it's not my field but I found it so interesting and I thought you might like to know about it. New generations of sunscreens, in like 3 decades, maybe?
not gonna lie i lol'd so hard when you said "he's wearing mayonnaise!" 😂
I generally enjoy the theory channels. When I saw their sunscreen video, I did spot some of the issues you mentioned. But I was happy to see that the general conclusion was “wear sunscreen and sun-protective gear like hats”. Sometimes they do videos, answering or correcting previous videos. So maybe they’ll do a video about this and correct some of the issues you pointed out.