and I think one of the first things that we
did he put me on the phone with Chris liy oh Chris rip Buster 50 cents first manager and used
to manage Buster rymes M and yeah we were going to bring Buster to bana I took that [ __ ]
to kbl m c super flopped on it cuz I don't know sometimes needles are a bit weird like you
tell them you can do something and then they'll say like he was like oh well can you get uh no
what did he say I was like look I can get Buster let's bring Buster he's like no
let's drink
someone else well who do you want T Pain and then yo stagger what up what up what's happening
how you doing my brother chating bro welome back to the 20th Avenue podcast thanks for having
me back again yeah yeah yeah uh so this time around we're not talking much about music about
St we talk about music but not about my music not about your music yeah yeah we're talking about
the the documentary yes sir doent yes sir yeah yeah yeah tell us about it like at which stage
are you n
ow so it's been an ongoing process of about maybe it's actually four years now MH um we
actually started shooting it at the very end of 2019 okay when I came for um uh a film festival I
was invited by my sec to speak at a film festival yeah and um yeah we've been with the idea for
like a couple of years before that and then we spoke to Nigel Nigel was cool with it I only met
Nigel in 2019 okay so I kind of had been talking about him to my partner Carlos my business F from
about 2012 yeah um
I pitched the idea to shoot the documentary to a friend of mine who knows him and
then he introduced me to him so I had a friend who was at um Sports Council and he knew Nigel guy
called T so he basically p the idea to him then I met Nigel in 2019 and he said cool let's do it
yeah he actually had an offer to do one from a Korean company for the road to the Olympics okay
and he said he he had the contract but he never signed it so yeah God God was was working that day
yeah so where does thi
s come from cuz you know St is is a r but now film producer well really if you
look at it um rapping is a form of Storytelling yeah so it's just telling a story and I just
felt that his story needed to be told and like it's a bit weird because the first documentary I
wanted to do was uh Dan Chanda yeah and I managed to meet him through um a school friend of mine
uh who uh got a Kobe dumo so she she she's his um wife's cousin mhm so I always used to talk
about him and talk about you know his
music and stuff like that and she said oh he's coming do
you want to meet him he's coming to gabs I said yeah sure I actually want to meet him and tell him
that I want to make a documentary about him so I think she told him and he came to my office I was
shocked cuz he was like okay I'll come so he came to my office and I only met him once but like
the day that I met him he was i' seen him you know like everybody had seen him or heard of him
but like when I sat down and I met him it was li
ke yeah you could tell he's a different breed you
know Cut From a Different Cloth and like you know everything about him said success like you know
just you know you can tell they say you can tell a lot about a man by his shoes and I'm they were
like they look like some $5,000 shoes or something he he but he wasn't like flashy but he you know
he looked like a very successful entrepreneur he is he was and yeah I said to him look um I want
to make a documentary about you and he said why mhm I
said well I want to know what you were on in
the'80s where you could sit down and you know look at the white man's face and say no and remember
this is a part South Africa so to sit down in our office you know at a time when you needed PES
to be in certain parts of jaberg like you know there's part P of South Africa you couldn't go I
mean I remember seeing that when I came in 84 to buana and I flew into South Africa I flew into
yanm Airport M so I saw the signs I was seven I saw the signs
like you know Europeans only
that type of [ __ ] so I said how did you have the balls at that time when there was a state of
emergency and black people some black people were afraid to look white people in the eye how did
you have the balls to tell them know this is my IP it's my masters my company my [ __ ] so he lied
I said no I'm serious I want you to teach me that K Fu and he just started laughing and he goes all
right I will teach you and he goes no one's ever asked to make a documenta
ry about me mhm I said
you serious he said yeah I'm just as surprised as you I said no no one from sabc he said nobody yeah
yeah and he said he he always wanted a documentary about his life and he said that's been my lifelong
dream I'll do it and then he even said to me then he started telling me about his life and how he
grew up and how he didn't go to school for music didn't go to school for business but he learned
everything on the job M and then he said um even publishing he was telling
me about publishing and
how publishing works and he goes I didn't learn any of this in school I learned it on the job
just you know by by being an entrepreneur yeah and he goes I'll teach you I'm going to teach you
everything about the publishing game and me him and devel form the company uh a publishing company
which is still active Okay and he was going to basically teach me the ins and outs of publishing
throw in some catalog and we were going to buy up a whole lot of publishing then he
died oh so his
wife in 2019 um was in town and around the same time that I did the docu the film festival yeah so
we met up with her at aani me Carlos Biga and she said look this was my my husband's one of his
last wishes yeah that he wanted a documentary so uh I'm here I'm here to play support whatever
you need whether it's music footage and I said do so at that time we had already spoken to Nigel
and we we basically shot just the trailer like literally just like a very small shoe MH and
then
I said look after I finish this Nigel documentary I'll do the Dana one yeah and she she was very you
know very patient with me as was Nigel because I thought his story would be ready by the Olympics
yeah then Co happened then you know we couldn't travel I did a shoot it was it ended up being
[ __ ] and you know I couldn't use any of the footage then I said you know what yeah so like
the first shoot that I did spent a lot of money on it and it just is it the time when you came to
ban n
o so before I came to ban I sent somebody up there to do a shoot and they just did a [ __ ]
job and you know I said N I need to do this myself so Carlos and I then came to then we resho
everything that they had done so we had to go back to basically the first person he went went up
there and he interviewed was Interview niger's mom um grandmother you know in English and just just
all kinds of crazy [ __ ] you know who was the the film I'm not going to say you want to threw anyone
under the
bus but yeah you know I mean they tried but it wasn't I want to win an award with this
so it wasn't anything that was going to win any awards it was not anything that anyone was going
to be proud of you know even technically it was just [ __ ] so the the second time when you went
there you went there with a was speaking in kalang like yes so you know as they say when you want to
do something properly you need to do it yourself so I was like you know what I can't send people
money and think
they're going to do a good job I need to be there I need to you know do the quality
control and all that type of [ __ ] so we did to K we spent like 2 weeks or was was a while like
we went up there and shut went all the way up to Mar met his parents we interviewed everybody but
the cats and the dogs you know we we literally did everybody family friends first coach teacher his
school because we want to get an essence of who he is as a person and I really feel I'm actually
glad that this took
the four years and it didn't take a few months like I thought it would because
so much has happened you know he we had Co we had the [ __ ] uh what's it called the Olympics and
like if we had gone to the Olympics for example we would have gone to to Tokyo and not been able
to see him because there was the co restrictions yeah so we would have literally just gone there
to watch it from the hotel because you know like there was a period where they thought fans were
going to be allowed in and
then they said no fans so it ended up just it would have been a wash
out if we' gone so luckily we went to Monaco just before that so this was like in the June of 20 um
of the year of the Olympics so we went to Monaco and I saw him run in Monaco and he he said to me
he loves Monaco because he's never lost there you know every time he's raced he's always won and
yeah like marel Nigel is different from Monaco Nigel like he's the same person but when you see
him moving in in a place like that
with that type of energy yeah yes it was good it was good I'm
glad I went up there so we you know we shot in Monaco we sh in Italy La New York um Marabella
uh bana we the only place we haven't shot is probably sa okay but we've shot in like maybe nine
different locations so the shooting one not really so we you know it's it's like with documentaries
you can keep shooting forever yeah but the only thing that we that we're going to put in is a
reenactment scene so he doesn't remember like th
ings like his mom you know and a lot of parts
things of his life cuz he was young lost his parents when he was young okay and there just some
things that we feel that it would be better if we got like a make it like a dramatization so get
actors shoot like a mini movie yeah so it's not just interviews you know and we're going to do the
same for Dan Chanda but Dan chanda's life is a bit more like action-packed nin is actual pack as well
but like danand has lived like 10 lives from you know w
hat I mean like the things that he did so
I think it deserves like a little mini movie type of thing like like I've never watched that it's a
series like it's about season's about 12 episodes I haven't seen I need to watch yeah should check
it out on BT okay no I should watch that yeah so that that's the vision and like you know we went
to we started shooting Dan two weeks ago we went to yeah we went to went to um Jo went to so M I
met the original members of Splash so for me it was great t
hey even said look thank you guys for
doing this because we haven't seen each other in some of them is 15 20 years they haven't seen each
other the original members so it's good because it kind of um brought the original band members
together and it kind of reminds people especially when you've done something great and maybe you're
not as close as you are to the people you did it with yeah you you kind of forget that you were
involved or part of something great so it's good to kind of bring
those feelings out MH so um tell
me something like um with with most people into film they strugg with uh sponsorship like um for
for such um projects talking going to mon going to the Olympics going to so putting members together
like this is money I using money for my own pocket yes sir it's M from your own pocket yeah like I've
been bleeding for the last four years I've been hemorrhaging money for the last four years uhhuh
look um film making is very difficult it's easier to make albums
because you get advances yeah you
know you can there's so many different ways you can make an album and it's not that expensive
especially now making a movie is very expensive I mean just just the logistics MH you know you
have a crew you have to feed them mhm I mean you know i' I've I've bought a lot of food I didn't
eat paid for beds I didn't sleep in you know cars I never drove it's very expensive and you have
to you have to be able to stick it out as well because um we've done this wit
h no contributions
from anybody so we did try like at the beginning we were like okay we're going to shoot a demo
I mean a a trailer and then that would be good enough to raise Capital so we thought n so we you
know it's funny as well because when you get to the end of a project people want to give you money
but what that's but you don't need it then yeah you know you need the money to actually make the
project so for execution purposes yeah so you know like like you said I mean mon is not
a cheap place
to be yeah you know and yeah it was expensive but it's worth it because I think the the the the
content is crazy it's crazy yeah so so what should we expect the different August this August yep um
New Capital Cinemas is going to partner with us to launch it we're going to have premieres in gabs in
um the embassies and BR bana are going to partner with us to have Premier outside of the country as
well yeah we want to make it like some nice red carpet [ __ ] we've got Lamar rer
who's going to
narrate it mhm uh from title per movies like Why did I get married and Why Did I Get Married to the
ladies are going to love that you know um yeah you know you have to you have to bring the Stars up I
mean my partner Carlos Primal entertainment lawyer 25 years in the game yeah DJ ked's first lawyer
used to manage the beat nuts he's got you know uh Big Pun plats how you get inv how you partner
with him with Carlos and what's his name Larry Campbell uh Larry Campbell yeah this
are outs yeah
I mean Larry Campbell musical director 200 million record sold seven time Grammy nominated Deborah
Cox artha Franklin Missy Elliot Beyonce Britney Spears R Kelly 50 Cent Tupac that man was giving
us Tupac stories yeah you know you know telling us about things that we would never be able to
to you know experience or about mhm and you know like with everything else you just have to know
people yeah so fortunately um this actually all came about through my dad cuz my dad is a is
an
artist he he's into modern art one of his friends was a singer he's late now he died like just in
the last two years good guy called R Adu he had a group called oisa and he had some hits in the UK
and Europe in the 80s so he was always cool with me he always liked me and um I actually wrapped
on a couple of like he dropped some music later on and I wrapped on a couple of his stuff like in the
mid 2000s this when I was back in England he was actually the first person who I worked with whe
re
I wrapped on a KN board anybody who's a producer will know what a NE board is well if you don't
Google it it's like on the same level as a as a SSL solid state logic so it's like a proper proper
mixing desk okay okay you know like it's about4 500,000 MH so it's like real equipment you know
[ __ ] that they do albums that when Grammys on yeah they mix them on them them kind of boards not
the the lipop thing not this bedroom [ __ ] just like real real mixing boards so he always used to
sa
y to me you need to meet Carlos there's this guy who so his manager was managing a band with Carlos
a band called 12 dir dirty bullets so he said you need to meet um Carlos he manages 1230 with um he
his other manager Chris MH and um um one day he said look he's coming to London you want to meet
him I think you guys will get along I said cool I used to call him brother a I said no problem
brother a let me meet him met Carlos was in London I think he was he was coming to get someone on an
Ar
senal trial if I'm not mistaken cuz he's he was he was doing sports management at the time and
I met him we clicked to tell him about all the people he worked with and what he's done and I
think one of the first things that we did he put me on the phone with Chris liy oh Chris R buster
R 50 cents first manager and he to manage Buster Rhymes MH and yeah we were going to bring Buster
to V I took that [ __ ] to kbl C super flopped on it cuz I don't know sometimes nles are a bit weird
like you
tell them you can do something and then they would say like he was like oh well can you
get uh no what did he say I was like look I can't get Buster let's bring Buster he's like no let's
bring someone else who do you want T pay and then when I said all right I can get him too was like
no no I want so he was just moving the go PR cuz I don't think he thought that I could do it but
I did so anyway they flopped on that and yeah there was a couple of moves that I made with him
that were music r
elated but in terms of gigs and then eventually you know we just kept working out
through throughout I mean this is like I met him in 2010 yeah so it took a while before we found
something that jelled and then we did and then we just just ran with it you know MH all right but he
introduced me to Larry so I met Larry probably a couple years after I met him the second time he
came to England these are Big names that you're talking about so we expecting the project to be
big also oh for sure I
wouldn't do it if it's not going to be it's corporate through you approach
them yeah we approach everybody you've approached them everybody and what's the respon cricket
everyone that you can think of we approached so they're coming they're coming on board no
nobody came on board but no one came on board M and this is part of the problem yeah you know
there's only one Olympic silver medalist in this country one Oh you mean like that was a team
and they want a bronze he the only person with
a single medal especially a silver you know and
imagine B first qualified for the Olympics in ' 82 yeah so it was in 2012 MH if somebody came in
and said if you don't have a silver medal sit down the whole [ __ ] country would have to sit
down yeah except for 100% exactly and where do you do see that have you seen is there a [ __ ] Amos
trainer facility is there [ __ ] Amos Stadium do you see any statues of [ __ ] Amos have you seen
a billboard did you see a double page spread in any of th
e papers did any company say hey let's
let's make him the face of whatever whatever you know what I mean and I say this all the time if he
was in England he would be kned Sebastian Cole ran the same time as Naj Amos he was nighted he became
sir Sebastian Co that's a record that still stands To This Day in England [ __ ] is one of only five
people people that's run that time in history if he was from Britain he'd be kned because Sebastian
Cole is now Lord Cole for doing exactly what Niger di
d if he was from America he'd be living
somewhere in Calabasas with probably two Ex-Wives a movie you know a couple of he'd be on serial
boxes if he was in America we know this but the [ __ ] in where people just I don't know whether
it's the whole fake humility thing that bana think they show because I I think it's fake because
it's not real it's it's not it's kind of like it's disrespectful it's like get you know what I
mean like people try and downplay success there's nobody else in the
country that has a silver medal
I'm not saying that people should suck his dick wherever he goes but he should get the his props
you know what I mean it's a difficult thing to do look at the fact that 1982 2012 we're in 2024
yeah we're talking about something that happened 12 years ago who has done it since no one exactly
yeah he when I when I saw him run in Monaco he ran maybe a second off of his personal best mhm
that was 2012 to 2021 that's a 10e stretch M there there guys that can't sti
ll look there's a
lot of things that I can't do that I used to be able to I used to be able to go I could drink
the whole weekend 10 years ago 20 years ago I can't do that now I'm old you know so the fact
that he can still perform at that level MH men that can't satisfy their wives like they could
10 years ago if we're keeping it real you know what I mean so people really downplay that [ __ ]
and it annoys me and this is why I got pissed when they said oh sell the medal sell the medal how
can you sell a piece of History yeah someone's going to buy that medal and then [ __ ] put it
in a museum and people are going to it's the stupidest [ __ ] I ever heard sell the medal it's
not a medal it's an artifact it's an artifact you know it's not just a piece of metal it's a symbol
it's it's that should be something that should be in the National Museum it should go on tours it
should be going around the country he should be on speaking tours around the country with that
medal where k
ids can see it and touch it where else are they going to see an Olympic silver medal
nowhere you know what I mean you shouldn't have kids walking around with Spider-Man backpacks and
all that type of [ __ ] they should be kids with Nigro Amos backpacks you don't you think maybe
his reputation like his social reputation yeah but this is why we did the documentary because a
lot of that stuff like for example he touches on that like you know oh why did you want to be a
DJ he didn't want to be
a DJ when he got injured you [ __ ] left him nobody was there the only
people that stood by him was Nike he told me he said listen you think I wanted to be a DJ I'm
an athlete I didn't want to be out there I had rent to pay M you know I had bills yeah I went to
marel and I saw you know like the average person who's successful and this is anywhere anywhere in
the world especially in bana people feel entitled so let's say you're the most successful person
in your family other family members f
eel that you have to pay for everything if someone dies
you got to do it if if there's an emergency you have to take care of everybody and that's [ __ ]
because at the end of the day every man needs to just look out for themselves and be able to take
care of themselves I don't think that you should be a burden on on on a person just because you
feel entitled to their money now imagine it's not just a family it's a whole village that's looking
up to him to kind of bring you know to make [ __
] happen for them so he's under a lot of strain and
he's been under a lot of strain since the AG 18 taking care of the whole yes imag he didn't have
any kids M but everybody expected him to be taken care of them and you can't go from being unknown
and running at school and then 6 months later you win an Olympic medal and then not expect that to
affect you yeah you know I have a friend Cesar um uh Cesar Gman he says people think therapy is
for when your life is going bad it's not it's for w
hen [ __ ] goes good as well he said I go
to therapy when I get money so I don't lose my mind you know what I mean and that's and that's
something that people people don't really look at things like that to say [ __ ] you know what if
I got this tender that I've been trying to get or these millions that I've been trying to trying to
make how would it affect me maybe I need therapy so that I can handle the success when I get it
and it doesn't go to my head or [ __ ] me up because money money
can kill people like if I gave
certain people who didn't have their head right a million today someone would die tomorrow yeah
either of alcohol poisoning or you know you could kill people you give certain kids who are Reckless
money or like even a car yeah people are going to die you know because ween it happen some of our we
see it every day you know it's it's it success is something that is difficult to handle and was
look as was I you know it's like I've written off four Beamers you kn
ow and a PS in one year not
in a year but like in a very short period of time you know and like like I'm saying like it's it's
succcess is something that you have to process it's a bit like failure you have to digest that
[ __ ] before you can actually you know not let it [ __ ] [ __ ] you up so it's the same I think you
know he he talks about all of those things that happened and you know one thing I asked him I said
um what what do you not want me to put in this documentary and he said no
thing put everything
talk about everything there's nothing to soft limits and I said okay that's cool the only thing
that I have not and I will not talk about is his relationship with Sasa because she's late you
know and that's out of respect for her I knew Sasa so out of respect for you guys like feature
on DJ yeah but I knew some before she wed you know and like I knew her from when she was about 15
okay um and uh yeah I featured on the song with her but you know out of respect if she was
alive
then I would have interviewed her and interviewed him because it's nice it's drama we want to know
the ins and outs n she she's late so I would never do that I would never talk about we would never
talk about her in any kind of discouraging way make any comments about her like that so that's
the only thing I'm not going to put in there okay no but everything else you know the suspension
we talk about that the doing everything yeah all right it's part of the storyed documentary what i
t
yeah speaking of of documentaries and local icons how come we don't have we have a lot of stories
to tell like Persona stories yes but um I think this is one of the first documentaries like one
of the first documentaries are difficult to make I know they're difficult to make you need to
have a good idea as well but look how old is the country what 58 it's youngh we need to know
like how those zes were recorded back in the day you know there's so many things that you could
make documentar
ies about but I think for me it's natural because I I like history yeah so history
was like my favorite subject at school and um I like to know about the history of things yeah you
know it doesn't matter what it is m you know I like to learn and I like to delve into the past
and find out why things happened and why things are the way they are so for me it's interesting
you know so I think you need to be interested in that type of [ __ ] otherwise you're not going
to make a good documentary
MH but there's I feel like there's a lot of stories that hav been told
that are true to be told like what stories 100% um but who's got the patience and again like you
mentioned who can pour money into something for 4 years and not give up there's very few people that
can do that look you know it's like like I said I did it because I I like this and like let's say
this didn't work I wouldn't like I wouldn't have any regrets yeah but it is working but there was a
period where I thought [ __
] what if this doesn't work yeah because like you know you put so many
things on the line your reputation someone else's reputation your integrity you know all kinds of
[ __ ] M and it's like you say to yourself if this doesn't work actually I never really thought if
it doesn't work there were times during the story where I thought oh [ __ ] how are we going to
like okay for example when he tripped I was like [ __ ] well I guess I guess that's it and then
he was back in the race then he los
t bro when he lost we were more sad than he was like me caros
called me he's like yo I'm here choking up and he's like n called me and he's like yo Nigel was
counseling us like n don't worry guys it's going to be okay and I'm like [ __ ] you the one who
Dr us but we were like you know there was a lot of highs and lows a lot of drama and suspense
but then there were many times when I thought maybe okay how are we going to end this then he
got suspended I was like [ __ ] because the whole poi
nt was he was going to end Paris M so now and
even with that it was like a false positive yeah and the only reason why he couldn't clear his
name is for financial reasons but I don't want to give away too much you'll see it in the in the
documentary but you know the kid really had like a raw deal and when you find out the real side of
who he is and what happened and the whole story I mean there's stuff like he was offered I'm not
going to mention which country cuz you'll see it in the docum
entary but he was offered a lot of
money to run for a particular country and all he had to do was run for first they wanted two I
think one or two Olympics like a bag of money more money than any [ __ ] athlete or rapper has ever
seen in this country in one go you know in green bags as well not even in B like Hard Cash mhm He
Didn't Do It For the Love of his Country For the Love of a country that doesn't seem to show him
any love see the only love he gets is look it's nice to get love in th
e street but bro where're
the corporates you know we're the corporates saying hey let's back this guy or let's do this
or let's do that there no corporates doing that M so that's not cool so is it late for the corpor
to jump on on the documentary of course it's not hit me up you know I mean it's late to jump onto
the production side cuz we're practically done but it's never too late to you know we're going to
do a red carpet the UN has jumped on board they're going to buy some tickets um Ne
w Capital Cinema
shout out to them Carol andai and ran big up to them you know they they um they're one of the few
people that actually got it and said yeah we'll we'll we'll do what we can you know they're going
to bring out like a Mobile screen so that he can have a premier Marella because if it's called for
Marella to the world you have to do a premier you see what I mean like it would be unfair not to
so you know and and we even toying with the idea of taking them the road show around t
he country so
the other part Ral Parts can see it as well M yeah I mean I think it's important okay consider says
your media partner then yes yeah thank you thank you thank you so we can't have a St intervie talk
about about Stager the musician the rapper the businessman first let's start about Stager the
malumi yeah I've been getting that a lot like so I was at Main Tech and Sh it was funny because
I so I'm there with my bro Vish C he's one of my Bros that I went to school with and we were
with
the team yeah and we're having a really great um uh um meeting shout outs to Vish you know he
he's he's one of the people who actually said listen if you need any assistance hit me up you
know and he actually and it means a lot because I went to school with him you know and I know
him from school and he he just said look and just even just the moral support just saying that
it g it gives you an encouragement so I'm sitting there with him and the team and um the the lady
the young lad
y who was the waitress and name is shatani at Main deck she was like she was she was
saying Mal and I didn't I I heard her sing malum and I was thinking who who is this malum that
she's talking to so [ __ ] Pok me he's like she's talking to you like oh [ __ ] I'm like okay yeah
sorry sorry I wasn't meaning to ignore you and then and when I left um she said um can I ask you
a personal question I said yeah she goes uh are you that Uncle that did the song about calling the
cops from back in th
e day oh my God I was like yes I am that I guess I'm I'm now in Uncle territory
yeah yeah yeah yeah I mean I mean I am like my my son's friends call me or pops so I guess I'm
there you know yeah yeah and the women are loving you brother aging well they're loving you so much
you know it's it's um to to my young G look I'm a little bit hung over we went out yesterday with
um with Dez and and and my man Isaac yeah and The Faded crew shout out to OB shout out to D shout
out to Nigel we had quit
e a good night yesterday are yoga yeah but one thing that you should do is
drink water drink water before you go to bed M and try and drink as much water as you can during
the day yeah because people think look I don't go to the gym I don't own a gym membership I've
never owned a gym membership yeah uh actually I did once I paid for the gym but I never went yeah
I'm just not I really wish I was that disciplined to be able to get up in the morning and go to
the gym I do like push-ups sometim
es you know Pull-Ups here and there but generally it's really
what you eat and what you put into your body so just try not to I don't eat sugar so I try not to
eat any sugar at all and I just try and stay away from junk food really everything in life has
to balance so you can't like eat just [ __ ] cabbage or lce all day long but don't eat like
you know just junk food all the time so you have to balance just try I just try to eat healthily
just try and drink water M like you're doing up yea
h you know to be honest I was thinking about
having a beard I was like no [ __ ] it it's not it's not that's not what I need why the ladies
they they said we should ask you one question cuz it seems like but about aging they're asking
if there's anyone in your life cuz they're trying to um I mean I've been single for a long time yeah
I've got like three kids I'm a single father yeah I mean I'm not public but yeah you know everyone
needs someone to love let's just say that and you know to to
be honest with you I've never really
I mean I think maybe people will know by now I've never done an interview I never spoken about
anybody that I've been involved with even when I was married you know and I used to kind of try
and keep that separate and I'm glad I did that because I was saying to one of my friends that you
know me and my my ex-wife are obviously divorced M but if I done an Eminem and like cussed her
out like you know 20 years ago my son would be looking at me crazy right
now you know what
I mean a different like why why would you do that so I never did that and like yeah we have
our differences like anybody else but I've never like bashed her in public and I wouldn't M and um
that's kind of the reason why I like to keep that type of stuff separate okay because you never know
man like and it just makes you look crazy may be the same person who be looking after you tomorrow
well this is it you know and um yeah yeah I I I I I've only ever spoken about relation
ships
that I that that were public or that were public knowledge so I've never spoken about things
that were not apparently you want you wants toat Tim shout out to very beautiful friend of mine
you know I met n um before she even did channel oh uhuh I think it was the day that she got her
Channel interview okay yeah okay I'll tell this story because it's it's like a this a true story
yeah so I was dating a girl who is now married so I'm not going to mention her name she's married
to MH a
guy was a friend of mine a musician as well okay so I wasn't actually dating her but
there was like attraction mhm so she she um we were living in this house in santon with Jack
shout out to UK Jack so the mansion in santon that I mentioned in the track it was like in in s
was it like just near gron yeah so there was like a bunch of people that would crash so this girl
she wasn't actually my girlfriend I don't think we even started dating we Haven been intimate
but she was there at the hous
e a lot and you know sometimes they'd stay over and whatever so
I I was so I made like I I kind of I think I must have mentioned hey let's meet up for drinks like
casually but I actually had asked L out on a date M so I forgot it was the same day so she she calls
me not that calls me she's like who's this color girl who's she said this girl is threatening to do
all kind of crazy [ __ ] to me and blah blah blah and I'm like what girl she's like your girlfriend
she said she's your girlfriend
I don't have a girlfriend yes you do she lives at your house she
says you live together I said no and I was like oh [ __ ] you mean and I said her name she said yeah
that's what she said her name I said that's not my girlfriend she said that's not what she said so
I get there and she was pissed was pissed she's like n [ __ ] this is too much I'm out this this
is crazy and then you know then um the next time I saw her I was with this girl so me and this
girl were now dated and it was when I
went to submit the video channel and she said you said it
was new your girlfriend she wasn't at the time but you know the girl eventually became a girlfriend
we broke up and then afterwards like you know n and I remain friends we still friends to this day
she a very beautiful soul and yeah she's a person I would have I would have you know settled down
and married too late bro I know talking of mus talking of mus mus what's what's your take on The
Hip Hop industry I think I like one take I l
ike a lot of guys and I like the fact that people are
more secure there's more of an identity yeah they asked me a similar question I did a interview for
pro pro kids documentary yeah and they asked me a similar question about what I think about the
South African scene and I I think that compared to back in the day like when I when I was doing
it there was no back to the city there were no hip-hop shows there no there was nothing
there was no hip-hop programs so to speak you know everything
was still foreign in terms of
consumption but now there's more of an identity you know in terms of you you when you hear rappers
from bu you can tell these cats are from B before it was difficult to tell where people were from
you couldn't really you know cuz everybody was trying to sound they were either trying to
sound like they from SA or from the states so now it's cool we have an identity people are
throwing in they're proud of it you know people like fade again you know even 10 years
ago would
actively repping the 267 yeah and you know certain neighborhoods and and it's good to see because
yeah that's what you want so I like it I like where it's going I like what the young kids are
doing because it's about what the youth are doing it's not about us old guys you know I can still
rap but you you you can't relate to it's kind of like how methan can still rap but he's in his 50
so it's difficult to connect with uh um you know a demographic that's basically under 25 or 16 t
o 25
because as much as they know that he's Method Man he's their dad's age or almost their grandfather's
age so there you know there's there's a disconnect mhm all right cuz last time year like um you
shared your sentiments towards the the local hip hop industry mentioned that like a lot of kids
are l in the scene they expect to be spoonfed and a lot of them didn't take it well they never
never do but you know I never hold my tongue and and imagine it's the spoonfed lazy [ __ ] they
get p
issed off the guys that's out hustling never get pissed off by stuff like that people who are
actually doing it will not be offended by what I'm saying people who are not doing it and who want
handouts are going to get pissed off because I touched the nerve but like I said you cannot have
a hip-hop thingy where people imagine if American hip hoppers said oh we're waiting for a grant or
the government to do this that you're third the whole point of Hip Hop is you're supposed to do
it yoursel
f you're supposed to innovate supposed to make something out of M you know you're not
supposed to be waiting for somebody to help you yes if you get help you get help but that can't
be the reason why some people what I'm saying was you can't say things like if only I had this
then I would do that people who say that are never going to amount to [ __ ] because if you
really wanted to do something or be something you start and then things would come but you
have to make that initial step you
know it's like the documentary if I sat on my ass waiting
for people to give me money to make it there'll be no movie MH I had to just do it myself and then
as I kept going things started to happen you know what I mean like you have to take the first step
then the path feels itself you know you can't say oh I'm going to wait till I can see the road to to
to success you don't there is no Road you know you don't it's not like you make a decision and then
all of a sudden the whole thing lights
up and it guides you you don't you just have to go and then
I think the universe and God kind of takes over take over but that's when you've actually made
the commitment that you're going to do it you can't be sitting at home wishing and wanting and
then expect things to happen you have to get out there and get up and do something okay okay um
I always say this to my Cas like I know you you rush into the airport and stuff like that but for
like this time around St is to leave the country I
do yeah uh so uh before we go like I saw you
I see you about toase your mixtape the delicious yeah so um I did a partnership with Vib shout out
to my man Leroy yeah yeah Leroy is doing some big things with Vib Leroy actually was an engineer on
my second album which I never released so I known ler for almost 20 years now and you know he's
a very solid guy very intelligent and he like it's amazing he's got like a business model of
something which most people thought didn't work I was in Jama
ica last year and we were talking
to BU went to BU banton's house through my guide Perry shout out to Perry in Jamaica mhm and
first thing B said was want to try for Bring Back ringtone again and he's like ringtone who's
doing ringtones and he says ringtone come come back again Africa and and he I was like yeah yeah
like people still buy CDs out there yeah and he was like bana that's one country I've always
wanted to go to but no one's ever invited him yeah but he would he found it funny th
at like
rington still work a lot of people when you tell them especially people from England and America
they're like ringtones who still does ringtones yeah lero does bro in 18 [ __ ] countries and
he's a lot of people download them M you know like he show me the numbers what was that like the
numbers are serious the ringtone numbers so okay so you know we he actually it started out by him
saying to me look we need to put your music on our platform yeah and you know that's basically how
i
t started and I I have I need to actually when I go to the airport I'm going to sit down and
send the rest of them but I need to send them all of the stuff before I get back but you know
yeah it's it's it's a great model because they basically take uh a loop of your track and you
know it's a way that you can monetize content okay so I I started to reach out to people that
I knew like Goofy and speak to them about getting their catalog and uploading onto the platform
then I reached out to my
man Perry in Jamaica that's how I went to bu's house sizler um you know
my Adrian Karim DJ Karim and you know we reaching out to people and there's a huge deal that we
just did that I'm not going to mention that he will probably um he would he would do it once the
once it's all wrapped up but that's probably what I'm most proud of that I did in the last couple of
years even more than the documentary because it's it's it's historic it's something that's never
been done before so it doesn't
mean that also your music on the online stream oh yeah Okay and
like in terms of what we did in terms of with li with this thing that we just and we just literally
just did this like it just got confirmed a couple of days ago it will be historic it will be it
will be it will be a music content deal that's never been done by an African aggregator before
you know MH you know we it took 18 months to do it yeah and everything that's really great takes
time yeah it takes time it's it's all yeah
still bro it was nice you thank you man and when I
come back I'll be I think I'll be when I come back
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