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The “afterlife” according to Einstein’s special relativity | Sabine Hossenfelder

Sabine Hossenfelder discusses the physics of… dead grandmothers? Subscribe to Big Think on YouTube ► https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvQECJukTDE2i6aCoMnS-Vg?sub_confirmation=1 Up next, The Universe in 90 minutes: Time, free will, God, & more ► https://youtu.be/tM4sLmt1Ui8 Sabine Hossenfelder investigates life's big questions through the lens of physics, particularly Einstein's theory of special relativity. She highlights the relativity of simultaneity, which states that the notion of "now" is subjective and dependent on the observer. This leads to the block universe concept, where past, present, and future all exist simultaneously, making the past just as real as the present. Hossenfelder also emphasizes that the fundamental laws of nature preserve information rather than destroy it. Although information about a deceased person disperses, it remains an integral part of the universe. This idea of timeless existence, derived from the study of fundamental physics, offers profound spiritual insights that can be difficult to internalize in our everyday lives. As a result, Hossenfelder encourages people to trust the scientific method and accept the profound implications of these discoveries, which may reshape our understanding of life and existence. As a physicist, Hossenfelder trusts the knowledge gained through the scientific method and acknowledges the challenge of integrating these deep insights into our daily experiences. By contemplating these profound concepts, we can potentially expand our understanding of reality and our place within it. 0:00 Is your dead grandma still alive? 1:25 Before Einstein… and after 2:53 Relativity of simultaneity, explained 5:14 Spacetime and the ‘block universe’ 6:10 Eternal existence: The conservation of quantum information 8:22 “I know it sounds crazy, but…” Read the video transcript ► https://bigthink.com/series/the-big-think-interview/is-there-life-after-death-399886/?utm_source=youtube&utm_medium=video&utm_campaign=youtube_description ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- About Sabine Hossenfelder: Sabine Hossenfelder is a physicist, author, and creator of "Science Without the Gobbledygook". She currently works at the Munich Center for Mathematical Philosophy in Germany. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Read more of our stories on physics: Is theoretical physics broken? Or is it just hard? ► https://bigthink.com/starts-with-a-bang/theoretical-physics-broken-or-hard/?utm_source=youtube&utm_medium=video&utm_campaign=youtube_description New physics? Ultra-precise measurement in particle physics confounds scientists ► https://bigthink.com/hard-science/muons-magnetic-moment-new-physics/?utm_source=youtube&utm_medium=video&utm_campaign=youtube_description Does physical reality objectively exist? ► https://bigthink.com/starts-with-a-bang/reality-objective-exist/?utm_source=youtube&utm_medium=video&utm_campaign=youtube_description ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- About Big Think | Smarter Faster™ ► Big Think Our mission is to make you smarter, faster. Watch interviews with the world’s biggest thinkers on science, philosophy, business, and more. ► Big Think+ Looking to ignite a learning culture at your company? Prepare your workforce for the future with educational courses from the world’s biggest thinkers. Trusted by Ford, Marriot, Bank of America, and many more. Learn how Big Think+ can empower your people today: https://bigthink.com/plus/?utm_source=youtube&utm_medium=video&utm_campaign=youtube_description ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Want more Big Think? ► Daily editorial features: https://bigthink.com/?utm_source=youtube&utm_medium=video&utm_campaign=youtube_description ► Get the best of Big Think right to your inbox: https://bigthink.com/subscribe/?utm_source=youtube&utm_medium=video&utm_campaign=youtube_description ► Facebook: https://bigth.ink/facebook/ ► Instagram: https://bigth.ink/Instagram/ ► Twitter: https://bigth.ink/twitter/

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10 months ago

- Okay, so let's talk about the physics of dead grandmothers. So I was sitting in a taxi together with a young man, and when I told him I'm a physicist, he said, "Oh, can I ask you a question about quantum mechanics?" And so I thought, "Well, okay, go ahead." And he said, "A shaman told me that my grandmother is still alive because of quantum mechanics. Is this right?" I had to pause for a moment and try to understand, and after thinking about this for a while, I came to the conclusion it's not
entirely wrong. But the thing is, it's got nothing to do with quantum mechanics. It's actually got something to do with Einstein's theory of special relativity. It's all about the reality of time. It's all about the question whether the present moment, this now, which we experience ourselves, whether this is of fundamental importance. There are a lot of things, like those big existential questions about afterlife, that physics can actually tell us something about. My name is Sabine Hossenfelder.
I'm a physicist and research fellow at the Frankfurt Institute for Advanced Studies, and I have a book that's called "Existential Physics: A Scientist's Guide to Life's Biggest Questions." Before Einstein, time was this universal parameter. We all shared the same moment of time; the same moment of now that we could all agree on. But then Einstein came and he said, "Well, it's not that simple." And the major reason for this is that the speed of light is finite, and nothing can go faster than the
speed of light- it's the same for all observers. And this sounds like a really innocent assumption, but it has a truly fundamental consequence, which is fairly easy to understand actually. If you ask yourself whether you know if the screen in front of you is actually there right now, naiveLy we would say, "Yes, of course it's there, I mean, I'm holding it my hand, or I see it directly in front of me." But, we just learned that the speed of light is finite, and nothing can go faster than the spe
ed of light. So everything that you experience, everything that you see, you see it as it was a tiny little amount of time in the past. So how do you know that anything exists right now? What do you even mean by "now?" So this is the problem that comes up in Einstein's theory of special relativity. And Einstein tried to construct a notion of "now" in this new theory, and he failed. So, imagine you're looking straight ahead, and there's a train going through to your line of sight, say, from the l
eft to the right. And on the train, there's your friend, and let's call her Alice. Now, let's also imagine that at the exact moment that Alice, who's standing in the middle of the train, is looking straight at you, there are light flashes going off on both ends of the train. And the question is: Did these light flashes happen at the same time? Now, if you want to answer this question looking at the train, that's pretty straightforward. There are those light flashes going off. They both come from
sources that are the same distance from you. So of course you see them at the same time. But how does the same thing look from Alice's perspective? The light flashes go off, but while the light travels towards her, she's moving towards one of the light sources and away from the other, so that one path of the light is shorter and the other one is longer. So from Alice's perspective, the light flash from the front of the train arrives earlier than the one from the back. So she would say, "No, the
y did not happen at the same time." And now the important point is that this is relativity. Neither of them is right, and neither of them is wrong. They both have an equally valid perspective. And what do we conclude from this? Well, we conclude from this that there is no unambiguous notion to define what happens now: It depends on the observer. So they're both right. And if you follow this logic to its conclusion, then the outcome is that every moment could be now for someone. And that includes
all moments in your past, and it also includes all moments in your future. So this impossibility to define one notion of now that we all agree on is called the 'relativity of simultaneity.' And it's super important because it tells us that fundamentally, this experience of now that we all share is meaningless. So the mathematical framework that Einstein came up with to make sense of this absence of now and the finiteness of the speed of light and the relativity of simultaneity, is that he combi
ned space with time to one common entity, which is called spacetime. And more specifically, because the present moment has no fundamental significance, this entire spacetime exists in the present moment, and it's become known as the block universe. In the block universe, the past, the present, and the future exists in the same way. There's just no way that you can single out one particular time as special. So, the past in which your grandma is still alive exists the same way as this present mome
nt. Now, there's another way to look at this idea that people who have sadly deceased do in some sense still exist- and it's because of the way that all the fundamental laws of nature that we know work. They don't destroy information. The only thing that they do is that they rearrange the matter and radiation and everything that's in the Universe; they just give you the rules for how to put them in different places with different velocities. But you can apply those rules forward and backward. An
d this means if you had a really, really good computer, you can in principle always find out what happened earlier. So in this sense, information cannot get destroyed. It can, however, become for practical purposes, impossible to retrieve. There are two cases that physicists have considered where information might get destroyed that have so far not been resolved: One of them is the information that falls into a black hole. We don't actually know what happens with it. And the other one is the mys
terious measurement process in quantum mechanics, which is also an unresolved problem. So if someone you knew dies, then of course we all know that you can no longer communicate with this person. And that's because the information that made up their personality, it disperses into very subtle correlations in the remains of their body, which become entangled with all the particles around them. And slowly, slowly they spread into radiation that disperses throughout the solar system, and eventually
throughout the entire Universe. But this is a very anthropomorphic thing: It's very tied to our own existence, and who knows what's going to happen in a billion years or something to the nature of humans. Maybe there'll be some cosmic consciousnesses, which will also be spread out, and this information will become accessible again. So, I know it sounds crazy, but for all we know about the fundamental laws of nature about Einstein's theories, and about the way that our current theories work, it s
eems that our existence actually transcends the passage of time. There is something timeless about the information that makes up us and everything else in the Universe. And I think that's a really deep spiritual insight that we get directly from studying the foundations of physics. And I have to admit that I personally find it really hard to make intuitive sense of it. It's one way to look at the maths and say, "Okay, this is how it works." These are the conclusions that we draw from our observa
tions, and the mathematics describes it correctly. It's another thing entirely to make sense of this in your everyday life. But as a physicist, I trust the process of knowledge discovery that comes from using the scientific method, and so I take this seriously.

Comments

@bigthink

What do you think of this explanation of time?

@someshkumar2411

What we really need are more people like her who can further such ideas with scientific approach .

@denial6854

Just watched my grandmother slowly pass away in hospice, she passed on December 23 at 1:15 am, this was also the exact same time my brother was born on this day. I hope she is still somewhere out in the universe she was such a good soul. I don’t think I’ve been more afraid of death than after seeing my grandmother in hospice

@TheNotbadphonedaddy

I've had a very difficult time understanding what relativity was my entire life. I probably still in all sense, have very little idea. I will say though that after watching this video, I feel now that I'm at least at a rudimentary level of understanding it. Before this video, I wouldn't even give myself that. She did a very good job of explaining through demonstration.

@sergeycleftsow4389

As Einstein wrote in a letter to the family of his close friend Michel Besso after his death: "Now he has departed from this strange world a little ahead of me. That means nothing. For us believing physicists, the distinction between past, present, and future only has the meaning of an illusion, though a persistent one." Einstein himself died a month after.

@bwanablanton

I respect Sabine, not because she validates some preconceived notion of an afterlife, but because she is honest and open about taking physics wherever it leads, regardless of how mysterious, even "unscientific," it might seem.

@Layeredworld

Really fascinating. I remember as a very young child well before I had heard of Einstein or theories about special relativity, I believed that when someone or animal die they would somehow go back into everything. It was only when I became older and had been taught about Einstein’s ideas that suddenly I realised that I knew this already be it in a very much simpler form.

@piece0fcharsiu

this made me think of a scenario where if im on a planet lights years away, trying to find myself on earth with a super hyper-advanced telescope, I might be able to see my younger self and my late grandfather who may still be alive. idk how scientifically correct this thought is but thinking about this brought tears to my eyes.

@batosato

I am really happy to see someone who does not blatantly ignore the notion of life after death just because it does not fulfill the scientific approach. We need more people like her to encourage young scientic to think rationally and outside the box

@PhillipLWilcher

I lost my father to dementia on August 20th 2022. He was several months shy of his 100th birthday. He died in my arms at hospital. I was his full-time carer for 12 years. I had lived with him all my life. During his life, I never heard my father speak of anything spiritual, no mention of Heaven, not until his final days. During the last four days of his month-long stay at hospital, I stayed with him in his room 24/7, never leaving his side. I kept a journal, detailing his final hours. Here are my notes from that journal which I used for my eulogy at his funeral: His voice is veiled as he asks me to help him to stand up, he wants to go home. "Help me stand up" he says, "I want to go home. My mother will be wondering where I am!" Even if I could help him to stand up, he is so physically weak and depleted now, that I think we both would fall. Late yesterday afternoon, when I was about to leave him for the day, I asked him if he minded that I should go, assuring him as I do every day that I will see him again in the morning. "If I am here ..." he replies. "Where else would you be?" I ask him. "In Heaven!" How his broken voice it breaks me and so, I arrange with hospital staff for me to stay with him the night. Several hours earlier he had told me that there were people gathering about us in his room. Looking to either side of me, firstly over my left shoulder and then to my right, they who were there not for me but only him were dressed in white. "Do you recognize any of them?" I ask him. He raises a boney finger and replies: "Just one!" I ask him who the person is that he recognises and he tells me that it is himself. "What age are you?" I ask him. "I am 15!" At the time of writing this, I have been by his side a full thirty-four and a half hours. Inasmuch does his mind meander, I am never not so knowing of what he means. "Lift me up, I want to go home!" he says over and over: "I want to go home!" Holding his hand, I tell him that although I cannot lift him up physically, I can at least lift him up toward Spirit, and I place my other hand at where his heart is and say to him: "Home is where your heart is! If you live within the home that is your heart, you will always have Love; you will always know Love: God's Love!" "I want to go home!" Massaging his chest gently in a clockwise rotation, because the motion of Life is always forward even after Death, yet without actually lifting my hand from his ever weakening heart, I lean forward and whisper into his ear that he can go. "Go home! You do not have to stay, just know that I love you!" "And I love you!" He is even weaker now but not yet gone, and I do not think that I have ever known of a moment so innocent as this, the lingering of a Life as do the Guardians of Love they prepare His way. His doctor visits with me. She is concerned for me that I have stayed the night, telling me I need to look after myself. Squeezing his hand a little tighter in mine I look at her and say: "I Am" Another day passes during whose time he is bathed twice in his bed, first in the morning and then again at night: Bed Bath Lite. The ritual of cleansing a rite of passage now, water, glycerin, gels and fragrant oils, they do not soil the sheets but soothe his skin, tissue-paper thin. He breathes in and breathes out ever more purposefully on the exhale, and I copy the sequence of sighs sorrowfully, that none too cold each pant becomes, nothing so irregular, not just yet. I would bet myself he would live another year but for my fear the end is near we both do know it, and I think to myself how stealthily the dusk does creep before the breaking of each new dawn a waking day, how we live to die and die to live reborn. With his cheek resting softly upon the pillow I lay my head at his side. He places his hand on my head and touches my hair. and I want more than anything for him to keep it there. As his breathing becomes more shallow I chant: "Everything I am is of you; all my love is yours!" "Everything I am is of you; all my love is yours!" but then to add: "If you take my heart with you when you go, my love will be with you and forever more, because of the love I give to you are you a part, two soles, one heart!" I dim the light to dull the play of shadows upon his features that I see only myself in him now. And then, at the eleventh hour of my stay this day he takes his last breath and quietly slips away, into the silent land where there is only Love and Time it has no borders, bound not by night neither lit by day, only Love! Love has sped him away! (Leslie James Wilcher 16.01.1923 - 20.08.2022)

@RLDMez

''But as a physicist, I trust the process of knowledge discovery that comes from using the scientific method and so I take this seriously'' ❤🙌

@dimatadore

I believe in people still existing everywhere all the time after death in a broad sense because I sometimes dream of being with someone in my sleep, without knowing beforehand of their passing or having known it was coming, so the thought that they are everywhere makes sense to me because our brains interpret information they receive, and somehow a person’s essence reached my mind like a frequency I could read. I just believe my brain interprets the information the best way it knows how. I think it’s possible to be everything anywhere all the time, like a drop of ink that fills a clear water up.

@Someone-cd7yi

I'm terrible at math, but I do love trying to visualize and wrap my head around physical concepts. Really interesting how our world, our reality is so so strange.

@Robert-hz9bj

I remember the first time I read the "Time Machine" by H.G. Wells, and the question struck me: if you travel into the future, are the people you left behind "dead?" After all, if you can travel "back" to see them, how can you say they are dead? And if you travel into the distant past, how can there still be people "there" if they are "dead?" If the past or future can be travelled to by someone with sufficiently advanced technology, then wouldn't that mean that someone always technically "exists," since you can always just return to the specific time/place where they are?

@bobespirit2112

Sabine has a remarkable YT channel. She does tremendous videos explaining physics for everyone. She’s very good as this.

@loneventhorizon

5:00 I love that all the ideas i had as a teenager in the 90s match up with current day studies. 7:12

@pghurd3340

This was very scientifically informative and spiritually comforting. Two things can be true at the same time.

@fl_snorkeldork

I love this explanation. My husband lost his father in his early 20's. When I was pregnant, I started doing research on my family and my husband's family because neither of us knew much. I built our family tree, scoured over census archives, old newspapers, obituaries, and found photos! One photo was of my husband's 3rd great grandfather, he was wearing his wife's bonnet as they both stood in a tree smiling from ear to ear. They were on a picnic and climbed a tree. They were having fun. I immediately started laughing and crying at the same time. My husband had the same personality as this man he never even knew about. It was a parallel moment to our life and love...except our picture was taken on a rock at the beach. It made me think maybe we aren't so different from our ancestors, despite all the time that has passed and living in completely different eras. That made me feel closer to all of my ancestors. We are them. They are us. All existing together if you think of it. Like a chain.

@Dogmachic

This is why I’ve always wondered how there can be a now when everything happens in the future and almost simultaneously becomes the past…

@abbiechamberlain69

You did a very well job of explaining relativity. Its an incredibly complicated topic to comprehend and I feel like my understanding of it is much higher after watching this single video, we need more people like her