it is a great time for USBC not only is the iPhone finally getting it but there's a fast new version of Thunderbolt namely Thunderbolt 5 that uses the USBC connector it gives faster maximum data transfer than Thunderbolt 4 but it turns out Thunderbolt 4 isn't even the current top dog the Thunderbolt 5 is trying to beat instead that title belongs to USB 4v2 and confusingly Thunderbolt might not look all that different than USB 4v2 which it's based on at first glance in fact it has the same maximu
m data rate 80 gbits per second in each direction or an asymmetric mode that gives you 120 gbits one way and 40 the other so what exactly is the point of Thunderbolt 5 then well one is to provide a higher performance floor than what USB 4 V2 offers although both Thunderbolt 5 and USB 4 V2 can optionally handle 240 watts of charging there's no guarantee your ports can actually deliver anything close to that your ports just ain't ready Thunderbolt 5 though requires at least one computer port that
can charge a PC needing up to 140 watts of power and 15 wats of power for accessories as opposed to the standard USB 4 minimum of just 7 1/2 Watts this means that Thunderbolt 5 can provide extra power to higher-end laptops especially compared to Thunderbolt 4 which only mandated a minimum of 100 watts and the same is true in terms of data transfer rates Thunderbolt 5 has to provide a Max data rate of at least 80 gbits per second one way up from the 20 gig minimum of USB 4 but what does this mean
in more practical terms for example if you're connecting monitors storage or an external GPU we'll tell you right after we thank the sponsor of this video MSI meet the radx axe 6600 gaming router your ultimate gaming Ally it offers triband support with eight streams delivering up to 6.6 GBS per second of speed its AI qos system optimizes bandwidth usage while a built-in processor automatically prioritizes tasks for Peak Performance take your gaming to the next level with ultra fast and reliable
connections check it out down below now if we're talking transferring data over the PCI Express 4.0 bus that Thunderbolt 5 supports you'll have 64 gbits per second of speed which is roughly equivalent to four PCI Express 4.0 Lanes although external GPU enclosures haven't been in Vogue for a while Intel is touting Thunderbolt 5 as a way to get better performance if you are using an egpu as it doubles Thunderbolt 4's PCI Express bandwidth while the performance still won't be the same as plugging
a card into a fulllength internal slot it should still be a noticeable improvement over existing Solutions and although the equivalent of four lanes is a bit of a bottleneck for a GPU it should offer great performance for external ssds useful for video editors who need to work with large amounts of footage so what about the those 80 and 120 GB numbers we previously discussed in addition to matching General USB 4v2 data transfer speeds these higher data rates are useful for monitors the upgraded
speeds over Thunderbolt 4 enable a pair of Daisy change 6K monitors and that might sound like a fairly weird resolution but it's relatively common in professional grade displays for more standard or gaming type setup you can drive three 4K displays at 144 Herz as well Thunderbolt 5 will switch into 120 GB mode automatically when a display needs the extra bandwidth but Intel is still sorting out exactly what display modes will trigger that switch at the time we wrote this video to achieve these h
igher data rates Thunderbolt 5 uses what's called pam3 signaling we went over pam3 in more detail in this video but basically by sending signals at three different voltage levels instead of two Thunderbolt 5 can effectively transmit 1 and 1/2 bits per cycle instead of just just one pretty cool but when should we expect products supporting Thunderbolt 5 to hit the shelves and is it a musthave piece of tech well the first devices should be coming out in 2024 but Thunderbolt 5 will likely Remain th
e province of enthusiasts who need the higher bandwidth at least for now especially since you don't have to have Thunderbolt 5 to take advantage of the latest version of USB power delivery if you're just trying to do something like charge your laptop sadly we don't yet live in a world where we're all using a displays on the regular but one day that was a whole video just now thanks for watching like it if you liked it dislike it if you disliked it check out our other videos comment below with vi
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USB 4v2? They never learn.
Thunderbolt 5 offers what I've wanted out of USB for years - a simple naming convention.
Who would have thought standardization of electronics would result in better user experience, compatibility and everything else.
I replied to a couple of comments, but thought I'd make a main one for more to see. USB has to be configurable for it to be a universal port. There's a reason why the minimum specs are so low. Phones don't need 80gbps or 240w, so manufacturers would be spending extra money on nothing. Now think of something even more mundane like a port on a controller or keyboard. Do those need Displayport Alt mode? What USB really needs are clear marketing guidelines that have to be strictly followed. That's the reason why Thunderbolt still exists - it's an easy way for consumers to understand they're getting nearly a full fledged port, but it's also why you don't see it on nearly as many devices.
Can somebody please teach USB-IF how basic integers work ?
man usb standard is so confusing it unbelievable. Would love if they just stuck to thunderbolt versions!
I really hope the 80gbps speed and 240w charging becomes a standard. Finally we can have gaming laptops game from type c. And also no reliance/dependency on Asus to make fast External GPU alternatives.
At least "USB 4 v2" isn't called USB 4 V2 Ultra Max Super Saiyan 5 and Knuckles" or whatever naming scheme they'll come up next.
mind you we're talking about 80Gbps both ways over copper, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if the next or the version after that will be based on a hybrid cable with optical data and copper for power just to maintain signal integrity. Kinda funny as Thunderbolt was originally planned to be such a cable
I will never settle for anything non-Thunderbolt again. They just do right what USB does not. No weird naming schemes and looking at 20 different spec sheets when comparing devices.
With some hope, perhaps USB 5.0 will just copy Thunderbolt 5's requirements and the terms will be interchangeable. It would be a win for consumers since there'd be less confusion: buying advice would be "just look for the version 5.0 cable".
Maybe USB5v3 will have enough speed, bandwidth, stability, and power for eGPU. One can certainly dream, when the path is still so far ahead...
no way jose
Btw hats-off to your video editing team to keeping aspect ratio in mind. Utilised much more display on iPhone 12
The only thing I want is for all those features to be mandatory instead of a “suggestion” so the logo on the box actually means something and I don’t have to google the damn spec sheet to know it it does what I want it to do
Honestly. Anything past USB 3 confuses me. Every iteration has a slightly different name and slightly niche features. And I know Riley just explained the differences between Gen 4 v2 and thunderbolt 5 but I understood nothing. The differences are so little it barely feels an upgrade and also… why do we have 2 separate USB C naming schemes (gen 4v2 and thunderbolt 5) if they basically are the same cable?
What I want to see is a thunderbolt cable that can have long cords. but yeah this is still really sweet! I'll hold off on upgrading my laptop until this comes out!
Wonder if any other laptop will come out supporting the full 240W of the PD 3.1 spec before the Framework 16
And will the labels be useless and confusing? Thought So.
How would this compare to HDMI and DP as an alternative for A/V solution for TVs and Monitors?