This gaming laptop has theĀ
fastest mobile CPU in games, with up to 50% more FPS comparedĀ
to the next best option! Itās the new Ryzen 9 7945HX3D, the firstĀ
laptop processor with AMDās 3D V-Cache, which is meant to give us more FPS in games. But just what sort of a boost are we talkingĀ
about? 50% sounds way too high - and it is, thatās just in one game. Results varyĀ
by game, which is why Iāve tested it in 25 games at 3 resolutions and comparedĀ
it against AMDās cheaper 7945HX without the extr
a cache and the best from Intel toĀ
find out if itās really the best laptop CPU! But first, Gigabyte haveĀ
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link below to find out more. Back to the comparison. The main differenceĀ
between the 7945HX3D and 7945HX is that the newer 3D version has double the L3 cache,Ā
which matches AMDās top-end desktop 7950X3D processor! The 3D version has slightly lower baseĀ
clock speed, and although the max boost is the same on the spec sheet, the 3D version won'tĀ
clock as high on the CCD with the 3D V-Cache. Hereās how the 7945HX3D looks. There are threeĀ
chiplets with the I/O die down the bottom and two CCDs, which each contain 8 CPU cores - justĀ
like the non 3D version. The left CCD is where things get different in the new 3D version,Ā
as these 8 cores have the additional L3 cache. This additional complexity presents aĀ
problem. If your game or application is running on the CCD without the extra cache,Ā
then itās not going to get the FPS boost. Compa
red to Intelās best laptop processor, theĀ
i9-13980HX, AMD is giving us 16 cores and 32 threads, while Intel offers 24 cores and 32Ā
threads. Intelās chips use a hybrid approach, with 8 performance cores and 16Ā
lower powered efficiency cores. Iāve used ASUSās Scar 17 and Scar 18 gamingĀ
laptops to make this testing as fair as possible, with the exact same kit of DDR5-4800Ā
memory tested in all three laptops, as this is the speed ASUS sells them with. Something worth noting is ASUS are not using
Ā
liquid metal with the newer 7945HX3D, and itās not recommended, because it uses differentĀ
materials and may react negatively, resulting in performance degradation over time. The 7945HXĀ
and 13980HX laptops do use liquid metal though. Itās also worth noting the Scar 18 is slightly bigger and has three fans insteadĀ
of two, as it uses a newer design. But the Scar 17 is the only laptop available withĀ
the 7945HX3D right now, and ASUS didnāt make a 17 inch version of the Scar with Intel 13thĀ
gen
this year. So this is the best we can do. All three laptops have NvidiaĀ
RTX 4090 mobile graphics, and although this is a CPU comparison, gameĀ
testing has mostly been done at max settings, which may be more GPU heavy,Ā
especially at higher resolutions. The reason for this is that the 7945HX3D isĀ
only available with RTX 4090 graphics, and realistically, if youāre buying a laptop with maxĀ
specs like this, letās be real, youāre probably not playing games with minimum settings, so IĀ
chose to ma
ke this a more realistic comparison. Alright letās get into the game benchmarks. WeāveĀ
tested all three laptops in 25 games at 1080p, 1440p and 4K resolutions. And all gamesĀ
were tested fresh for this comparison with the same drivers, Windows versionsĀ
and game updates. So letās start out with the games and then afterwardsĀ
weāll compare things like thermals, battery life, integrated graphicsĀ
performance and non-gaming workloads. Letās start out with Microsoft Flight Simulator,Ā
because it ha
d the biggest improvement with the 7945HX3D out of all games tested. IāveĀ
got the 1080p results down the bottom, 1440p in the middle, and 4K up the top.Ā
Intel used to have a clear lead over AMD in this game at 1080p and 1440p, but the newer 3DĀ
V-Cache chip is just dominating, reaching a 54% higher average FPS compared to itself without theĀ
cache, or 40% ahead of Intel, a big difference. Spider-Man is another game that saw aĀ
nice FPS improvement with the extra cache, reaching a 32% higher av
erage frame rateĀ
at 1080p compared to the non 3D version, or 16% higher compared to IntelāsĀ
best laptop CPU. Like the last game, the differences matter far less at theĀ
higher 4K resolution as itās more GPU bound, but also like the last game, Intel wasnātĀ
quite in-line with both AMD options. The 7945HX3D was 13% faster thanĀ
Intel in Cyberpunk 2077 at 1080p, or 9% faster than the cheaper non-3D version, butĀ
thereās no real difference at 1440p. The RTX 4090 can easily handle 1440p ultra setti
ngs here,Ā
as weāre hitting 90 FPS without features like DLSS or frame generation, so youāll probablyĀ
actually play this game on this resolution with the laptopās 1440p screen, meaningĀ
the CPU choice ultimately doesnāt matter. Watch Dogs Legion only had a small improvementĀ
at 1440p with the 3D chip, just 6% faster, but at 1080p thereās a much larger 27% boost over theĀ
7945HX, and similar gains compared to Intel. Weāll come back to this game later, as we had slower FPSĀ
on the 3D chip when th
e game ran on the wrong CCD. Although the average FPS wasnāt tooĀ
different at all resolutions in Warhammer 3, the dips in performance, shown byĀ
the 1% lows, were higher with AMD, with the extra cache showing the best result. Hogwarts Legacy was a little different. IntelĀ
had the best 1% low results at all resolutions, and even its average FPS was notablyĀ
higher at 4K. Ok itās only like 4 FPS, but at 4K thatās a fair margin when weĀ
should be GPU bound and see no change, but I double checked t
he results and confirmed it. Apex Legends looks a little strange too, butĀ
thatās because of the 300 FPS frame cap at 1080p. At 1440p and 4K the 7945HX3D had aĀ
clear win, so the extra cache may be worth it if youāre playing this one competitively at aĀ
higher resolution. Then again, if youāre serious about the best FPS to compete you might not evenĀ
be using a laptop or higher resolution anyway. Far Cry 6 also enjoys the extra 3D cache, atĀ
least compared to the non-3D version which was a fair
bit behind at 1080p and 1440p. IntelĀ
was very close in terms of average FPS though, while also producing higher 1% lows at all threeĀ
resolutions, which means better stability for Intel, and Iād argue thatās more importantĀ
when the average FPS difference is so minor. Shadow of the Tomb Raider is an older game, but another where the extra cache was usefulĀ
at lower resolutions, allowing the 3D version to hit a 17% higher average frame rate thanĀ
the non-3D, or 21% faster compared to Intel. For
the most part, the differences arenāt quiteĀ
as interesting in the other 16 games that weāve tested. Iāll just quickly skip through the restĀ
of the results on screen now instead of wasting your time talking through every individualĀ
result, so feel free to pause the video if you want a closer look at any of the gamesĀ
tested. All this testing took a full week, but I think itās important to use a wide selectionĀ
of games so that we can get an accurate picture of the average performance differenc
es to makeĀ
the fairest possible conclusion. In other words, more data equals more better. LetāsĀ
look at those average differences next. On average over all 25 games tested, at 1080pĀ
AMDās new Ryzen 9 7945HX3D with the extra cache was almost 9% faster compared to the olderĀ
version without the extra cache. This graph shows how much faster or slower the 3D versionĀ
was in each game, so best case Microsoft Flight Simulator at the top was over 50% faster withĀ
the extra cache, while a number of o
ther games also saw nice performance improvements. ManyĀ
of the games saw no real difference though, with only minor swings in either directionĀ
that are within the margin of error range. Stepping up to the higher 1440p resolution andĀ
the 3D processor was now 4% faster on average. There are still a handful of games thatĀ
see nice improvements with the extra cache, but now most of the games only had minorĀ
differences, and this continues at 4K because weāre mostly GPU bound now and the CPU diffe
renceĀ
matters less. Apart from a couple of outliers, Apex Legends still loving the extra cache evenĀ
at 4K, and Borderlands 3 seemingly preferring the higher clock speeds without it, all other gamesĀ
were only 2% different one way or the other, which again is margin of error stuff and not aĀ
difference youāre likely to notice when playing. The 7945HX3D was ahead of Intel in more gamesĀ
than the 7945HX at 1080p, but on average over all 25 games thereās a slightly smaller 7% leadĀ
compared to the
9% difference seen between the two AMD chips. Again some of the titles see bigĀ
gains with AMDās 3D V-Cache, but these lower at the higher 1440p resolution. Of course some gamesĀ
still had nice FPS improvements with the 7945HX3D, the overall average is just smaller in a widerĀ
selection of games. The difference is again even smaller at 4K. For whatever reasonĀ
Hogwarts Legacy just preferred the Intel laptop at this resolution, but again I doubleĀ
checked it and it's only a 4 FPS difference. Her
eās how frame rates look if we instead takeĀ
the average of all 25 games at all resolutions. I think this better allows us to visually see theĀ
overall difference in a quick and easy summary. This really shows how small the difference isĀ
at 4K, on average the 7945HX basically performs the same as the 7945HX3D, with 1080p showing theĀ
biggest difference in favor of the extra cache. Unfortunately, itās not all smooth sailingĀ
though. There is a problem with this laptop that we need to talk about
beforeĀ
we get to the price difference. Remember how I mentioned earlierĀ
that the game needs to run on the correct CCD with the extra cache? Well,Ā
this doesnāt always seem to happen. Take Watch Dogs Legion for example. The first timeĀ
we tested it, it performed about the same on both the 3D and non 3D processors. I re-testedĀ
it again a day later and the FPS from the 3D chip was 29% higher at 1080p and 8% higherĀ
at 1440p. Which shows the first time we ran it, it was either running on the CCD
withoutĀ
V-Cache, or maybe on both CCDs, Iām not sure. It kind of sucks if randomly some games justĀ
might not take advantage of the extra cache, because it defeats the purpose ofĀ
spending more money on the 3D version. Fortunately there is software like Process Lasso,Ā
which basically lets you control which cores a process runs on. I tried used this on the gamesĀ
that didnāt show much performance difference between 3D and non-3D processors the first time,Ā
but only identified one other game tha
t was wrong. So just to be clear, in the previous 25 gameĀ
comparisons Iām pretty certain that all of them were running with the extra cache. But atĀ
least 2 of our 25 games didnāt automatically open on the right CCD, resulting in performanceĀ
that was similar to the non-3D version. The rest of the games that saw no real differencesĀ
presumably donāt care about having more L3 cache. I mean, itās cool that this tool existsĀ
for tweaking, but realistically most people wonāt know about it or be awa
re thatĀ
this is how the 7945HX3D operates. Ideally, AMD and Microsoft need to do a better job ofĀ
making sure that games always use the correct CCD. So then, how much more money does the 3DĀ
V-Cache cost? Prices and availability will change over time, so check the links below theĀ
video for updates and current sales. And if any of these laptops do have a good sale weāllĀ
be sure to add it to our gaminglaptop.deals website. We update that daily so thatĀ
you can save money on your next gaming lap
top! But sales come and go every day,Ā
so make sure you check it out regularly. At the time of recording, $3400 USD is the bestĀ
price I can see for the ASUS Scar 17 with Ryzen 9 7945HX processor and RTX 4090 graphics.Ā
The Intel based Scar 18 costs $500 more, but it also has double theĀ
SSD space, a larger screen, and a newly updated design, so theĀ
extra money isnāt only for the CPU. ASUS told me that the Scar 17 withĀ
7945HX3D has an MSRP of $3700 USD, so $300 extra compared to the non-3DĀ
ve
rsion, but $200 less compared to Intel. Despite the higher cost, itās actually worthĀ
it from a cost per frame perspective if your primary goal is 1080p gaming. And assuming thatĀ
you even care about value if youāre spending close to four thousand dollars on a laptop. The IntelĀ
based Scar 18 is the worst value of these three, but again, thereās more than a CPUĀ
difference between these laptops. Gaming is only part of the story though, so letās check out thermals and see howĀ
all CPUs compare in
other applications. Letās start out with Cinebench, as itās a quickĀ
way to get a rough idea of single and multi core performance. Iāve tested both laptopsĀ
with two different power limits in place, 65 watts and 130 watts. Intel wins in singleĀ
core performance, while AMDās lack of lower powered E cores give it the win in multicore.Ā
At 65 watts thereās basically no difference between the 7945HX3D and 7945HX, but with a higherĀ
power limit the new 3D V-Cache version was behind. These are the te
mperatures afterĀ
40 minutes in this workload and the fans maxed out. The newer 7945HX3D ranĀ
the coolest out of all three laptops, despite the fact that itās also the only one thatĀ
doesnāt have liquid metal. As mentioned earlier, the material on the 3D versionĀ
prevents the use of liquid metal. None of the laptops were actually hittingĀ
the defined 130 watt limit in this test, because all three laptops were thermal throttlingĀ
first in this workload. The clock speed difference was interesting.
Iāve divided the AMD results intoĀ
the two CCDs, so 8 cores in each. The 7945HX was clocking similarly over both CCDs, while we canĀ
see a bigger difference between the 7945HX3Dās CCDs, because the CCD with the extra cacheĀ
canāt clock as high - one of its tradeoffs. The 7945HX3D was drawing the least amount ofĀ
power at the wall, and more power generally means more heat. This puts the 7945HX3D onĀ
top from a performance per watt perspective, at least in this specific workload.Ā
The 7945HX was
scoring 4% higher in this test in terms of performance, butĀ
it used 14% more power to pull that off. Linux kernel and LLVM compilation were the onlyĀ
workloads tested in Linux instead of Windows. Unfortunately Ryzenadj hasnāt been updatedĀ
to support these Dragon Range processors, so I wasnāt able to power limit them in Linux.Ā
Anyway, I was expecting the extra cache to help the 7945HX3D the most in this workload,Ā
and although it is faster, the difference is only small. But to be fair, I don't
actuallyĀ
know if Ubuntu 23.01 understands 3D V-cache. Honestly, in most other workloads the differenceĀ
between AMDās 7945HX and 7945HX3D were only small. Iām not going to waste your time, so IāllĀ
just quickly skip through all of the tests, but feel free to pause the video if you wantĀ
a closer look at any of the results. As the 3D version isnāt much different, thereāsĀ
not really any point talking about how the 7945HX3D compares to Intel, as Iāve alreadyĀ
covered that in depth in another vid
eo. AMDās new Ryzen 9 7945HX3D was 13% faster in theseĀ
specific workloads when compared against Intelās 13980HX with both power limited to 65 watts.Ā
Intel has the edge in single core tests, MATLAB, and AES encryption and decryption. AMDās lack ofĀ
lower powered E cores gave it the win in multicore rendering tests though. The gap gets smaller whenĀ
both processors are allowed to run with higher power limits, but AMD was still a little aheadĀ
on average in this selection of workloads. Look, at t
he end of the day, in these specificĀ
workloads the 3D option was barely faster than the non-3D option. Best case weāre lookingĀ
at a 5% performance gain with the extra cache with both processors power limited toĀ
65 watts. With the higher 130 watt limit, both could potentially thermal throttle dependingĀ
on the workload, but now the non-3D version had a slight lead. Perhaps its liquid metal isĀ
helping it out, or these workloads donāt care about cache so much and the higher clockĀ
speeds from n
on-3D give it the advantage. There wasnāt much difference between theĀ
integrated graphics in Shadow of the Tomb Raider at 720p. The extra L3 cache didnāt helpĀ
out the 7945HX3D in this game with the iGPU only, like it did in this game earlierĀ
with the Nvidia graphics in use. None of these laptops are able to offer amazingĀ
battery life, but the Intel one was lasting for 57% longer when playing a YouTube videoĀ
on the integrated graphics. In the past, AMD has usually done much better thanĀ
Inte
l here, but that just wasnāt the case with these top-end processors. Itās notĀ
looking so great for the Radeon 610M iGPU. So then, is the 7945HX3D worth it? Outside ofĀ
gaming, no, unless you have a specific niche workload that will benefit from more L3 cache, andĀ
I didnāt come across any in our usual test suite. As for gaming, well, by the time youāreĀ
spending $3400 USD on a 7945HX laptop, an extra $300 is only 9% more money,Ā
which you may be willing to spend if you want the best. Especially
if you planĀ
on playing games at lower resolutions. 9% more money for an average 9% FPS boost atĀ
1080p doesnāt sound unreasonable. And if youāre playing games that benefit fromĀ
the extra cache, then itās even better. For most people though, the 3D probablyĀ
isn't worth it. The 1440p screen and RTX 4090 graphics mean that youāll probablyĀ
be gaming at 1440p anyway. Maybe even 4K, and the extra cache just mattersĀ
less at those higher resolutions. And then when you throw in the possibility ofĀ
a game not even running on the correct CCD, and potentially youāre payingĀ
more for nothing. But to be fair, that didnāt happen too much to us. We onlyĀ
noticed it in 2 out of 25 games. And I can only assume that would improve over time withĀ
updates. But still though, when it happens it kind of makes you wonder why you didnātĀ
just save the $300 going for the non-3D. Thereās way more to the ASUS Scar 17 and ScarĀ
18 than just the CPUs though. Check out one of my detailed reviews over here next
beforeĀ
you buy. These are not cheap gaming laptops, so itās worth spending an extra few minutes to doĀ
some research - Iāll see you in one of those next!
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