um uh doing the scene it was serious scene and something this was funny man i i just kind of bust out like and everybody started like laughing and we had to pull ourselves back together and so you can see what his skateboard is it's him with a bottle of booze and a cigarette now it's like dude i'll just go somewhere else yeah where i'm gonna be treated right like i got mine i got literally these guys can walk out the door have 10 options call somewhere and be like yes we're hiring yes yeah yeah
yes yes we're hiring yeah come on in welcome to the lone star play podcast i'm your host patrick scott armstrong join me in a famous guest we discuss their career life food texas and everything in between let's get started [Music] hi welcome to the lone star play podcast i'm your host patrick scott armstrong very exciting this is our season finale of the season the show uh season three we did a wrap-up episode so hope you enjoyed the last couple episodes uh interview wise uh aaron franklin from
franklin barbecue and suzanne santo with her new album yard sale and now just this rap wrap up episode of basically all the episodes from january on so just wrapping up this season and uh we did it uh conjoined podcast i hope that's the right word uh with matthew sherwood from factual america it's our sister podcast okay you may have heard me talk about it before in the podcast but basically a lot of the same people that work on uh you know that podcast work on ours so they work on both podcasts
right so it just made sense that we would sort of do this together we you know and um yeah it was awesome so we basically just went over our top you know episodes of the season and you know some mentions and look there's no particular order they're all great episodes a lot to choose from it was honestly really hard um to do that and to be frank uh there's so many reasons to pick an episode or not so look tell us in the comments um or let us know what your favorite episodes were and who do you t
hink we should have on more and what style episodes that sort of thing let us know that's what we go by that to be honest with you um a lot of our feedback and engagement not gonna lie is good on youtube definitely get a lot of you know feedback and engagement so again if you're watching this on youtube hit that subscribe button really helps us hit the like button for the video helps us as well thank you so much um so anyway look let's just get to this episode it's really cool okay um and real q
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d this but we are having an event okay an in-person event at a comedy club in austin texas called the creek in the cave basically launching our new season season four so really excited about it we're going to be getting a very big comedian they're going to do a cool set with an opening comedian right have somebody warm up the crowd to do the main comedian um we're going to then do the podcast up on the stage so i'm going to interview them up on the stage and we're all going to eat dinner at the
same time so we're bringing the lone star play back to its roots baby i'm so excited for all of us to eat together i'm calling the event family meal and that is basically the restaurant industry term for when all employees of the restaurant get together and eat together front of house back a house all coming together to break bread and share a meal it's called family meal and i've always loved that term and i love what it means and i love the places that i've always worked that do that because i
t's very it's a bonding experience so anyway that's what i'm calling this family meal so we're all getting together and eating so there'll be food a comedy show and then the podcast are you kidding me and then i'll meet and greet afterwards this is like value guys i'm talking value we're bringing value to the lone star plate we're bringing good food some good local austin texas food to this event we're going to highlight that as well and the comedian i'm talking big name y'all okay because we're
we're paying money okay that's what's happening and we're gonna do this right we have a big event and we hope to do this over and over again with the creek in the cave so please follow us on social media lone star plate tx so you can find out about the tickets they're actually already for sale but we don't have the name of the community but you can go ahead and buy the tickets um we'll we'll uh you know put that link in our description here in the next you know couple weeks when we know who the
guest is um again september 15th uh it's a wednesday it's at night so set aside some time for that uh to come to that and finally see us in person yeah all right look let's get to this wrap-up episode this was so much fun and it's also a great time to highlight the people behind uh you know who work on this podcast that was really important to me um so you get to hear from a few of them and and i really enjoy that again you know people put in so much hard work to this podcast and i'm the voice
and the in the face you see only but there's so much more that happens behind the scenes guys there's just so many people that make all of this happen even the person that's putting this video and audio together that edits this you know that all these people there's so many great people uh that make all this happen so thank you to all of them and thank you to you for listening and watching and supporting us it keeps us all going it's a nice circle of life so let's get to this episode um it's awe
some really enjoyed it with matthew we had a lot of fun and uh always enjoy sharing some time with him and uh you know going back over over the season and what we learned and what we found out and trials and tribulations and the good and the bad and everything was awesome so really excited for the new season excited for all the things that we have coming up so um all right guys and don't forget check out factual america it's awesome podcast all right let's get to this matthew sherwood factual am
erica and me from the lone star play doing this wrap up episode for season three stay tuned for season four coming out uh just after labor day in september and of course we're having that event creek in the cave austin september 15th i'm gonna be saying it a lot on social media so follow us all right guys we'll see in september thank you so much for watching this season love you patrick welcome to factual america how are you i'm fantastic thank you so much and welcome to the lone star play podca
st yeah it's great to be back on so how how have you been have you had a good pandemic yeah yeah i've had well first of all can i we're not gonna cut this but i'm just like can i have a uh i think cause given in my texas roots and what you are all about i think we need to do i know you don't you're not you're not drinking yet uh but i may drive you there we need to do a little tribute to dusty hill art rest in peace uh sorry sorry to hear about that yesterday um yes as i as i shared with someone
some people who thought it was funny uh their song tush right you know until i read the obit or the little news i thought the title all these years i thought it was touch oh man i've done that to so many songs and so my brothers are like well did you what else did you get wrong did you did you what did you think tube steak tube snake boogie was called what did you think the other song she's got eggs yeah no i thought they had to see the thing is i got all the innuendos and stuff like that i jus
t thought it was something they had to do for like corporate radio so that so they kind of changed it to me and i heard it in my ears now listen maybe there are were some moments where they said that you know in particular point i mean you know let's not put it past it that has happened before musically not maybe not intentionally yeah so back to the uh so you know here we are end of season two how many what how many episodes you've got for us it's end of season three it's season three oh wow se
ason three for us because didn't we get started at the same time did you add a season in there someplace i think we did somehow we mixed it up do we do a lot of episodes right we do a lot more episodes than you guys do so i think we just somewhere in there we broke it up i i honestly i can't remember oh i mean i think it was from the fall last year we considered like that its own season yeah okay yeah because we've had this monster long season now that i i think back on it from from the fall win
ter break and the all the way through so we've got 40 we broke that up into two yeah we broke that up into two seasons i mean i said we did 44 episodes you do that in a week or a month i think but yes which is a lot 44 episodes is a lot anybody to do more than two podcast episodes is a lot mm-hmm that's the truth most people just do one or two and then it gets scratched yeah and we keep them coming and we don't take except for christmas and well on this summer break coming up we don't take any b
reaks so um um yeah so and uh big changes for you you've changed studios we've changed studios well you've got your own home studio there don't you yeah i've always done it from from the house except initially before the pandemic started we used a studio in austin um yeah but once i transitioned to home after the pandemic yeah we've we've uh i've changed it like a few times so people have seen it change a few times this is where we're at now this is the home this is the home studio right here so
yeah we chan and i moved to dallas so we did the podcast in austin for a long time now i'm in dallas still the same yeah and so think about i mean unfortunately i mean it's been a rough i mean obviously it's been a rough ride for a lot of people this last 18 months to say the least but but i mean it's been absolutely amazing you know you've you've not stood still i mean a lot of people like nothing's really changed in their lives it's been groundhog day for 18 months but uh you've uh you've pic
ked up and moved you've changed studios you've done all all kinds of stuff it's pretty uh pretty amazing and then uh in in season three i mean what's that i said it's texas that's what we did pandemic what we were like what exactly exactly i have it in my intro i imagine you do in yours but uh maybe explain to our our both of our audiences what this episode is all about yeah totally so look we're coming up on the end of the season um you know a lot of the people that work on your podcast work on
on our podcast right so vice versa right so it just made sense that we would sort of do this together and yeah just sort of looking back at the end of the season um you know favorite episodes different store backstories you know just wrapping it up with with uh you know different things what we sort of taken a a pole approach to what we thought these uh you know favorite episodes were and again there's a lot to choose from this is really hard to do to be honest with you you're gonna hear a lot
of honorable mentions right because it's really like in no particular order i don't want to do anything like that either every guest is is uh you know special in their own way uh but there are some that just stand out for for whatever reason exactly i was gonna say that i was thinking the exact same thing i mean one thing that came out of this uh out of us uh trying to put this episode together which uh our our audience is quickly figuring out that we've just uh really haven't spent any time yea
h trying to put this together uh but um the um is that um you and i both do not listen or watch our podcasts again after they've been recorded is that right i think i think like most podcasters is that do you think that's absolutely unless they're just starting out and they haven't done any and they you know yeah just in their basement or something like they're probably re-watching them maybe for whatever but dude we you know yeah what so we've been through it we did it like we were there yeah e
xactly i mean it's yeah exactly you were i mean first of all you have too many to do that uh second um i mean yeah i think we i guess you i guess that's true all podcasters i mean i have really fond excellent vivid memories but um like life i don't feel the need necessarily to take that conversation i had about in a bar 20 years ago or whatever and watch it or listen to it again oh you know i mean it's it's just uh there's a f um yeah it's kind of i don't know i think it's kind of done and duste
d as they say here i think maybe like uh you know maybe listening to like the first episode right just like it's so far back to maybe just compare it would be for a different reason but i've definitely watched lots of clips here and there right i'm sure you have too yeah well and also uh and i watch yours when i can you know it's just uh yeah that's what i'll listen to i'll listen to your podcast someone else's yeah not mine yeah exactly because i mean it's new to me i'm a fan and i have to be h
onest because i was talking to my daughter and she's she has to film something for um for school and she's just psyching herself out and she keeps messing up and she's just like and i said well you know my main advice was her not that not to think too much about it and i said i never that's when i thought of this i was like i never listen or watch my recordings ever again um but partly because i'm scared as hell that week after recording that time between we record and release i'm gonna i'm wait
ing for the call i'm waiting for the email saying oh matthew sherwood really messed that one up or he offended me or he got that wrong or we don't want to be a part of this you know there is a little bit of that i think uh at least in in my case um but uh yeah there we go a little bit of sharing um the um but before we dive in to uh the top three podcasts of the year uh i think we should uh i mean there's i mean we've both had episodes that went essentially kind of went viral you know you're you
did you did you did you fed well it depends on what you're looking at you had uh we had some clips and stuff you know that did well or whatever um but that's what you're looking at i mean well we do well on youtube but you some i would say you do better than we do on a lot of the podcast channels um so uh i really don't even know how because i'm i'm because actually i've got you and my sites and i'm very competitive and i just want to make sure i'll see i don't even worry about that i don't eve
n know the numbers i know nothing i just i show up to these interviews and i'm like let's do this and that's just i'm just joking really uh of course uh but uh the um um but no you had like well was tobolovsky this you've had toleski on again stephen tobolowski i mean this is so just so out there he's a great episode not one of the we're not putting it as one of our top three or even f maybe five but not uh because you've had some amazing ones um but uh you know uh you've had james mcmurtry rece
ntly on because he's uh that's that's a great episode that's a great episode that didn't even make the list you know but you know it's tough like some of these ones near the end of the season i felt bad of like even considering it because it's like you just heard them and then they're gonna like mention them again even though we we have some great episodes like you know that have come out recently and that are ones that's coming out today in fact like you know that i would love to mention to be
honest with you yeah that's you know aaron franklin uh you know um that was a great one i didn't even bring that up that's a great episode um i mean so as you say there's so many to and it's hard to single we're not actually it's it's like with all this hemming and hong it's it's like the oscars right when you go up there like like when you go out there like i that will ever happen to me but you know it's like but like when the the people go up there and they have to say the thanks and the music
starts playing pretty quickly because it's time to get off and it's just and you invariably you know they oh they all say i'm going to leave someone out i mean doing this sort of exercise really totally it leaves so many out i mean i i would say there's not on both sides there's not a duff podcast in the bunch we wouldn't release it if they were you know so they're all really good um in fact we have something that we haven't released for that reason you know just i'm not even going to say the n
ame you know the only person who knows is the person who recorded it with us yeah right that's the only person why didn't my episode come out you know like well we have we have ones it's i think it's from last season actually we have one of those though i should uh i'll share with you about it because off offline because it it uh it actually is one that involves uh something very close to home for you but uh so uh but but it's not even it was just an it was just one of these where it's actually
not even all that bad it's just we don't think well things have moved on and so we just don't think there's gonna even be much of an audience for it so um relevance for it yeah sure yeah so um but uh so without uh you know without to further ado let's uh let's do this let's let's do this and this is based on as we said we don't we've had we've had input we've had input from audience um we've had a lot of input and a big shout out to nevina ponovich our podcast manager for both um both podcasts h
ere because she's uh she's she listens she's she's listens to a lot of podcasts because she isn't even just podcast manager for your podcast and mine she does other ones so she's uh she's uh she's basically it's her it's her profession and she's very well aware she's amazing she isn't you're amazing you keep this whole podcast together and the fact that you keep this podcast together and many others is even more amazing and ours yeah exactly so she's uh so she's given her input which we gave a h
igh waiting i will say and uh as we should and so uh without any other any particular order let's dive in so uh one of the top three certainly uh for lone star plate would have to be the reginald ballard episode right if you had him on more than once or just because i saw a lot of clips because well because i it caught my eye because i was i was just having to i was looking on your channel on youtube and i saw the pony excess episode and i was like as a southwest conference football fan i was li
ke i got to click on that one and then i ended up listening the whole thing because that's uh this guy is uh this guy's quite amazing won't you uh why don't you tell us a little bit more about that that episode and uh what made it so special yeah i think just for me um you know and for a lot of people one i grew up on watching martin so he was on martin he was bro bro man on martin yeah and that was such a influential show for me growing up in the 90s um you know in high school it was just such
a big show then he was on the bernie mac show and i knew him more as an actor and a comedian and then you know we're going to do this interview i actually didn't know that smu stuff about him you know find out he was part of the you know smu scandal that broke in the 80s um you know that just flipped you know college football on its head i mean it dissolved the whole conference you know it dissolves the whole conference the only only time that school has ever gotten the death penalty yeah i mean
it's all crazy it's and and speaking of we've had dale hansen on a couple of times and he talked about that and he's the one that broke that story did he break that story yeah he broke that story he was famous for breaking that story i didn't realize that i mean for i mean i don't know how you remember but you know it even implicated the governor yeah dude the podcast i just the fir the first one we talked about it a little i think but this last one we he really you know gave a lot of behind-th
e-scenes stuff about that whole scandal how it came about what they were going to do you know a bunch of stuff man there's so much that's a great episode i haven't i haven't had a chance to listen to you yeah talking about that because i told him we had reginald on you know oh really yeah you know it was like you know and reginald holds no grudges and another crazy thing about reginald that made this all stand out on top of all of this um was it reginald got a kidney from his wife right so this
is like just this crazy i just when i heard that it's one of the craziest stories i've i've ever heard but the craziness about that story isn't just that he got a that somehow that he lucked out not just somehow locked i believe in providence right but he found this wonderful woman to be his wife and she's a perfect match but her kidney's not big enough it was too small too small so they do this thing called kidney swapping okay that i had never heard swap yes yes so you know person that that wa
s gonna get you know that could the kidney reginald could get right that his wife's kidney went to that person right so they just swapped him it was like the sizing of it all which is which is great you know it's it's it's uh it worked out perfectly um and you know and he's been with his wife since high school that's a you know they've got their own love story you know um yeah he's just such a great guy so well respected and i just thought it was such a great episode he's been through so much an
d his story of how he got to where he got is amazing it's truly a story about you know the the forks in the road that you take really do matter you know they can change the trajectory of your life uh essentially you know well this is probably a good place where we could uh well play a little clip from that absolutely let's play a clip from uh from that episode with reginald ballard uh at the time you mentioned you know about your kidney i don't know do you want to talk about that we're not live
anyway yeah man whatever i don't know it was kind of so uh uh it just seemed like that was on your mind yeah well first of all man it's like you know i've been i've been knowing my wife man since the eighth grade man i mean we both went to really yeah yeah it's about high school together man and um shout out galveston yeah yeah and um so i mean we can stand each other until until the 12th grade you know what i'm saying [Laughter] for real you know it worked out but you know we got married 87 man
and been married for like 33 years and you know so i needed a kidney and um she was a perfect match you know they did all the blood work they say you when you get ready to get a kidney man all the tests that they put you through they say if you pass all those tests you could be an astronaut man they put you through blood work man all kinds of stuff man and um so uh the the everything was a match matter of fact they put her blood next to my blood and it did like that it came together didn't you
know uh um separate so wow yeah so um but the only thing was she's smaller than me so her kidney wouldn't have been you know the right size so what they did was they did a swap and um uh she gave her kidney to somebody and they swapped me i got somebody else's you know so oh wow yeah i don't know if i ever heard of that matter of fact the the largest swap was in houston about two three months ago it was like a seven person swap a spot in person yeah man kidneys man yeah that was in houston and u
m it was on the news out here so you know it happens you know people think that you have to have a match yeah you know not necessarily if somebody willing to give up the kidney you know y'all can swap with somebody else and you know you get their kidney they get that other kidney so you know wow what kind of conversation how does that conversation go right yeah it's funny man because i know my doctor said if you know somebody you know you know ready to give a kidney i say man i don't go to churc
h he say well you know one of your friends you may want to start right now yeah he's like he's like one of your friends i say man my friend's sick like me yeah um okay what's your what was your i don't know if again i'm not gonna say that that's number one just top three for me in no particular order exactly which i hopefully is what i was saying at the uh um which was beginning at the beginning hopefully but but let me just reiterate that that yeah that it's uh there is no top there's no number
one we haven't uh uh that's impossible it's not like rolling stone deciding between the first and second greatest guitarist of all time or anything like that we're just we're saying these are some of our top ones and they're worth revisiting because uh we've had both had great seasons and uh exactly given in some ways it's a way of giving a good shout out to the guest you know absolutely and i like an episode that pans out right like it leads to the dale hanson episode it leads to learning abou
t the smu yeah and then college football right like it's all this stuff so yeah okay let's talk about your first one again not not saying it's the number one but what was the first one you would uh consider i i saw your list but i don't know which one you want to the tim o'brien one is that well we uh actually why don't we why don't we start with the uh the class action park because that's the one that's furthest too long ago no i don't know if that one was that one is one of these where so we a
s you and i discussed previously um you know there is the there's the ones that are great because whatever if it's a let's say it's a movie that and the movie's great uh there's ones where the guests are amazing and then they're the ones where the impact in terms of people's reaction to the podcast is great all right so this is one where and i'm not saying it's number one on our list but this is one where all three came together right so so you've got um if people haven't seen this film it's abs
olutely crazy this thing called it's called class action park it's a bit of a cult hit um in the documentary film world and in case you're maybe we should i don't know you probably in the intro case your lone star plate listeners uh don't know i host a factual america and it's a podcast that looks we interview documentary filmmakers in their subjects every week um and uh with a focus on on u.s stories so um this was this absolutely crazy place that you wouldn't believe could actually exist excep
t that it did and it was a theme park in new jersey where like people died on a semi-regular basis right now we're not just talking about the odd i mean you have these and they're tragedies obviously um but uh that's the other thing because you get this guy uh one of the guests uh and this one has i think all our all mine actually have a texas connection not all that tenuous uh seth porgis is not from texas he has more new jersey new york roots but uh he's this uh science and tech journalist and
tv commentator and he was he'd kind of grown up and he had gone to class action park or it's actually action park is what it was called no one would name a park class action action park uh and he had these stories and yeah you know and he you know it's he had these you bring your lawyer to the park with you yeah exactly well that's that was one of its nicknames and uh and you know you can find he's got these great clips because it has come up i mean jimmy kimmel is talking to someone else on on
e of his on his jimmy you know in his show where he's got someone from else from new jersey he goes do you remember this guy a place called action parking like oh yeah that place was cool they made a movie uh with johnny knoxville he made a movie with it exactly exactly and so yeah these it was about this crazy guy named gene mulvey hill who was like this he was like straight out of wall street you know the the movie you know he was a disgraced um basically fallen wall street mogul you know and
it was his bastard brainchild basically i'm gonna i'm gonna go to western part of new jersey i'm gonna open up a theme park and you know i'll do things like i won't have any adults on staff because it costs too much right so i get all these teenagers manning everything um and i can pay him nothing and you know what i'm gonna test some of these rides and so i'll pay you know yeah you know seth had this story and it's in the in the movie uh where yeah okay i'll give you 20 20 bucks or whatever it
was to go down this uh water slide enclosed water slide that had a a loop in it and people would come out and they like blood coming down there there you know and they they would like you know and they found people's teeth stuck into like the and and so you and i are laughing and i and i even that was the other thing about the podcast i laughed i said look i i'm sorry i shouldn't i can't believe i'm laughing and seth was just like no it's a natural human reaction of course a natural human reacti
on to things uh yeah you say of course things like this aren't so obvious to me but uh the uh you know it's a natural human reaction when you don't know what how to react what we always absolutely it's a nervous sort of laughing it's a nervous it's yeah it's like it's so over the top right you sort of laugh at it because it's so over the top ridiculous you don't know what to say so you just sort of laugh like oh my god this guy and it's kind of funny though in some way right like there's a reaso
n jackass was so popular you know these sort of stunts you know these sort of uh weird things that they were doing at this park you know that's that stuff's kind of fun and someone yeah well i mean and they they do touch on that but then they also you know these rides were absolutely crazy and then you know they but then but then you know they have clips they have archival from like mtv doing uh this is you know sometime in the 90s saying you know doing one of their special summer days at the an
d they'd be there we're here at action park and and uh you know and and um oh good stuff you know like these these rides where you'd go be going so fast that like uh you know it was it was basically a drunk teenager's dream basically you know because you know bikinis are flying off because they can't you know because they go down too fast um you had for the adults they had across the so you actually there was two sides of it you actually had to cross a major state highway and i don't think there
were any like special crossings or bridges or anything and on the other side was like that was the first ride well no because on the other side was like a a go-karting area and which had a barn attached to it so you know the adults would go there they'd drop the kids off kids would you know no parental supervision all kinds you can imagine all the stuff they're getting up to especially in the 90s and uh yeah you know stories about people riding off in the go people getting drunk and then just r
iding off the course onto the state highway on the on the go-karts and things oh man that's a dream of mine right there and then we had um we had this the guy who um did the uh i think his cinematographer on this is guy named chris charles scott iii who uh who's actually went to baylor and um he's done some award-winning uh films on um well yeah he's the he's actually the director and he did he did a film on uh about waco of all things can you imagine doing a film right away the branch davidian
no no oh i have i do have a story about the branch davidians i'll share with you one time you mean you mean just the city of waco just the city of waco interesting okay i mean that's a history that's i'm sure it has to be in the film i mean that's such a big part of it you say interesting in the southern way meaning uh uh yeah well whatever that's that sounds that sounds extremely boring well it's like here you know it's it's we've heard about it so many times yeah uh here it but that's all i me
an still to this day right anybody mentions waco that's the first thing oh yeah the branch dividend even here yeah yeah yeah exactly um yeah one i did a uh basically yeah yeah no i'll tell you one sometime about my uh uh extremist right-wing trip i did one time uh that involved the branch well it's not the biggest story but anyway it's not really fair to ask the question what was action park basic level you can see it was a water slide park but in truth it was so much more than a water slide par
k action park was the chaos summer park with very little oversight too much alcohol whistles blowing people screaming motors running it was an energy you know you knew you were jumping into the fire pit the most dangerous theme park of all time there was a water slide that held one person that went in a like in a flip it looked like a bunch of kids built it because that's what it was we'll be back with more headbangers ball coming from action park in vernon new jersey the biggest water park in t
he world i think the very reason people were attracted to action park was because they could get hurt that was the allure of it i mean who wants to sit on a ferris wheel it was a place where death was tolerated where death was put right into the the number situation every member of my family was injured in that park at some time or another they called it traction park that was class action part class action park the lawyers called it it starts out with people having fun and by the end crimes hav
e been committed cover-ups have happened the story hasn't been told truthfully to me that's probably the worst thing of all okay so next let's go back to one of yours um on your list oh man um so what do we got we got oh now i love this one which one catherine no no yeah yeah totally exactly catherine catherine direct wow catherine hardwick and i'm not sure it's i can't remember oh i think she she had a show on quibby okay so remember that platform that came out that was like short stuff you had
to watch it on your phone or yeah ipad or something only right you couldn't watch on tv she had a show on that but they canceled quibby or what but the shows still came out or whatever so she came on to sort of talk about that but to be honest with you we ended up talking about her whole long career and uh you know she was the director of lords of dog town we talked about that a lot and her directing heath ledger she just was the most fast still to this day one of the most fascinating people i'
ve spoken to on the podcast she didn't sit down she's i think she's the only podcast guest i've ever had that stood up the entire time okay she just was like ball of energy just like took over the screen she knew it was on like she just knew it was like we're doing this i'm going to tell you some cool stuff this is great for the audience and she did man she did not uh disappoint now she from texas originally yeah she's from texas man she's from because i could kind of i could tell i mean you kno
w she's been i guess because she she was in uh she's in california these days i would imagine yeah she's in california but she knew she got started with like richard linklater right like all right yeah another famous director from from texas here but before she became a director and i didn't really get a chance to talk to her about this stuff she was a production designer yeah you know on some of the biggest movies you ha vanilla sky okay like what are we talking about here when i brought you th
ree didn't you three three kings yes i tried i wanted to i could have talked to her but i could have done a whole episode about three kings that's one of my favorite movies i love that film uh she did the newton boys speaking of um anti-trust suburbia tank girl tombstone oh that's right yeah i remember you you waxed on and on about tombstone oh my god come on tombstone is like one of the most quotable movies ever at least for my you know my friends and everyone i know that like i'll be your huck
leberry come on that's just like and that movie looks so great because i remember that other kevin costner white art movie came out around the same time they were competing at okay corral movies yeah it was like a six-hour epic about a 15-second fight right it was like okay this is ridiculous uh no the tombstone was just grittier and yeah she just gosh she's just done so many amazing movies and you know to to have her on was just amazing she did the first twilight movie she started the whole twi
light you know i mean that whole young adult led to the hunger games right like all these movies she started all that how crazy is that like to think that she was just to hear her um you know reasoning and everything behind how she casts i mean she essentially helped launch robert patterson and kristen stewart from twyla i mean you know in that sense yeah she was just really cool such a great episode i still think about it and don't you find i mean because we've had a lot of these types of guest
s on these people who are um well they're certainly famous in their field there may not be household names but uh you know uh maybe she should be i would argue but uh um the um they are the most i find them such easy people to talk to they're such that they're such delightful guests you know because and it comes across in that one with catherine i mean they they're not full of themselves they've uh yet you know they could easily just go on and on and trumpet all the amazing things they've done b
ut i think they're they're quite usually quite um kind of humble really it's uh but uh no i i've seen uh i have to say i've watched the listen the whole thing but i watched a lot of the clips from that one and that was uh i'm all about the clips man i watch a ton of podcasts like that really i think a lot of people do i think a lot of people listen to the podcast that way it's it's funny i yeah i think it uh i mean um yeah i think the main ones you you know you you've made well you're the one th
at told me you you you kind of have them on like a ball game in the background basically yeah all the time yeah yeah exactly i do that a lot dude it's hard to keep up with these parts they're long-form conversation like who has the time to listen to like ten three-hour conversations a week you know what i mean like it's sort of impossible so clips really help you just sort of keep keep up with what and then if maybe you like some of the clip you know i'ma listen to the to the whole thing or some
thing you know it just helps uh digest it a little bit better if you can't catch up well then i think um um i think that's a i think then speaking of clips we need to have one on with catherine there yeah absolutely yes and and there's a very fun story of how i found kristen stewart should i tell you that yeah of course absolutely because they're both phenomenal actors right just look at them now oh like you you right you picked i mean yeah and of course they were before that too but but the thi
ng that was cool is uh it goes back to lords of dog town so i i had a screening of lords of dog town for sean penn okay because he was interested in the skating because he narrated the doc and so the studio sony let me go up there and show sean and his kid who was a skater show them the movie and at the end of the movie sean goes uh oh i got it you know heath ledger was amazing but who is that kid let's call it a meal meal was it a meal hersh yeah so we called a meal on my phone i got a meal i s
omebody wants to talk to boom sean penn and he loved a meal and cast him into the wild right that's how he got cast into the wild inside then and then it's even better so then i got they invited me to an early screening of into the wild like a rough cut i see kristen stewart sitting there in the trailer like trying to you know get together trying to hook up with a meal and i like i love that girl who is she i cast her in twilight you know you know it was kind of cool wow that is amazing wow that
is so crazy so that so that for you when you saw her in that scene or whatever or that part of the film you thought yeah that this is it this is who i need he had this longing this sense of longing for him and that was just palpable and i thought that's what i felt when i read the book and that that this girl bella is just like so drawn to this guy and it's kind of what everybody feels your first crush you know you're just like i cannot live i'm gonna die yeah takes every move and you know so i
it was so like over the top in a way you know this like longing i'm like i wanna see if i can really feel that on screen you know if i can make feel that in the theater like oh first love crazy and i think it worked because people have seen that movie like uh yeah it definitely worked uh yeah is speaking of catherine hardwick someone who's probably of about the same era probably even knows her i wouldn't be surprised is um is the guest we had on talking about a documentary she made which is uh
about the uh the um um about horton foot the celebrated texas uh playwright so we had i don't know you haven't had anne rapp on your uh podcast have you because she's austin based you could uh you might we could think about it uh she she she people it's like yeah well she's so in case people don't know i mean she's uh um well ann is basically um she's what they call a script supervisor was how she made her name and then she also became a screenwriter so she was a script supervisor and this is al
l very text is heavy but that's why i love it um she was the script supervisor on the film her first job actually was on tender mercies which is this robert duvall film about us oh yeah that was in the early 80s right and uh i remember now we've moved on but i remember at one point thinking when i saw it um that that's like the most quintessential texas movie ever and it's all filmed speaking awake it's film between austin and waco in that kind of area and so that's how she met horton foot becau
se horton foote was the screenwriter for that film and then she also did uh script supervising and scripts for uh robert altman so so she's done she's done over 40 something films she's been nominated for lots of awards um and so she she got to know horton foote and she basically did a documentary about the last three years of his life and you'd think well okay a documentary about um an aging celebrated well actually probably the best playwright that no one's ever most people haven't heard of um
and she got the audience award at the austin film festival and uh and she's just she's never made a film before um and you come across these people in this in the line of work i do who they have this they may only make one documentary but they spend years working but they spend and they and it's their passion project totally and totally and she's done it and it is it is a lovely piece of filmmaking and uh it's because they take more time editing it than it's maybe a documentary format that make
s a lot of them and the editing is where it's at that's where a film comes together the more the more time the more turns you take on trimming the fat just to give it a food analogy right like you just keep trimming and trim it and get it like perfect and the more time you take to invest in that the better product you know you're gonna have and sometimes that's rushed with other filmmaker with it but like you said they take so much time with it they it just natural that if they do it right it's
gonna come out like amazing you know um yeah that's awesome and she did and she did things it wasn't just like it wasn't one of these just sort of talking head type uh documentaries where you know there's there's some interview after interview interview or anything but uh i mean she's observing horton foot but then she also she gets she actually did a casting call and got some actors all from the austin san antonio area to come in and act portions of horton's plays and she even covered some peop
le who had never even done anything professionally right um and they they did extreme this amazing job doing this and she she interweaves them with the with the uh with the film um and um and then so like i said this kind of combination of things um she um um you know she was just a delightful person to talk to she's from some town up in west texas where you only have maybe 2 000 people in the entire town um so she had stories about uh she got to know robert she knows robert duvall quite well um
she had a uh that was you know if you think about like great story she was saying that robert duvall's probably she again wasn't going to single anyone out particularly at the risk of insulting someone else but she was saying robert duvall has like got to be one of the best actors she's ever seen because there's a script so what she does well she is but think she says as a script supervisor so what does a script supervisor do she makes sure because they'll film one part of the scene and then th
ree weeks later film the rest of it and she has to make sure that the coffee cup's still in the same place yeah all the continuity right so she says i mean with duvall you don't ever have to worry about that and he does he can do almost almost everything gets done in a single take and he's already planned everything out and he's you know it's it's it's just like it's it's it's just like magic watching this guy where you get like a lot of your younger actors and they will just kind of uh cut so n
o you you first take you did it in this hand the second take you had it in that hand you know that kind of stuff those little blur uh you know those little uh whatever the kind of things that people are looking for in film sometimes but uh um yeah so it was just a lovely interview very um i you know i don't even think her film her film's been released in terms of festivals i don't even think it's gotten a commercial release yet um but um but she had stories about storytelling and how you know ho
w it's so unique that's we've had a few guests who've done this who are texas roots who talk about texas storytelling and how it's so unique uh to texas um and i mean texas is its own thing right it's its own yeah but that you actually have families i mean it sounds kind of it almost sounds well that not a texas reference but almost sounds like the waltons or something like people are sitting around telling stories to each other but the thing is people at least when i was growing up people are a
nd i'm hearing people still are it's maybe in a little bit different way but uh um texans enjoy a good yarn you know of course it's all about that that's that's all i mean that's more important than reality yeah many times it's all about saying the talk talking about the path and talking about things that have happened and things that have done you remember that from remember that when this happened and it's really the same things over and over again right like someone will forget they told you
the story seven times already you know about the tornado they were in back in there's always a tornado in the stories there's a hurricane a tornado you know something yeah the only nightmares i ever have had have been about tornadoes um but yeah i mean i get it they're scary yeah you know this yeah they scare the hell out of me but uh um yeah we had talk we discussed that talking about working with robert altman and uh she just uh it's just a delightful episode and it was also about the craft of
storytelling and what makes a good good story uh as a script writer and awesome and that's what you want to hear on your podcast right because that's what it's all about you know through story yeah i mean she was you know she's yeah exactly exactly and she's uh again one of these very kind of reminded me a bit of uh of um of catherine hardwick in that way i mean she was she wasn't standing up but just i think but she's passionate and uh but yet very humble and um you know she's lived uh so far
and still will be for many years to come i'm sure this this this incredible life well that's awesome flying underneath the radar screen look at this big texas sky horton yeah do you think that's been one reason why your plays have so much space in them my plays come out of a lot of meditation i do not know where they come from but they are very persuasive when they start going in me they make demands there's a letter just now waiting for me at home from this girl in college station she's having
a baby she wrote me she thought i was the father i could be horton i think is way up there in the pantheon of american playwrights way way up there anything a horton i like doing it's the kind of thing you can't force his material as an actor you can't push because it's very kind of delicate i'd like to express my gratitude to the cast and crew of tender mercies he worked in theater he worked in film and he worked in television so everybody sort of sees part of his career but they don't see the
whole thing the winner is sure that's awesome all right what about uh we've coming now as we say we'll probably have some honorable mentions but this number the third of the top three not necessarily in that order as we've said before uh i'm i don't know how best way to introduce this one restaurant labor with chef g kung is that right that's close chef g kang i mean maybe it is com maybe he would say oh that's actually closer patrick i don't know but he always just goes like she king i call him
yeah i worked with uh chef chief for a long time i got a long history with him but this episode in particular about restaurant labor having them on um has just it's the episode was great but it's this one of these things the impact that it had because it keeps coming up over and over and over that episode and i keep seeing comments on youtube that you know with it that just keep adding to it and adding to it it really just it it you know it touched uh the core of what the podcast is about you k
now food in texas and uh this industry that i'm from uh you know we do try to talk about that sometimes and you know it was just great to have them on and and really just put to rest some myths that i think people have about the restaurant industry right now during the pandemic and why people don't want to go back to work right it's it's you just keep hearing in the news well it's just unemployment unemployment unemployment we got to get rid of that's why people aren't going back to work nobody
wanted to face the true fact of why people weren't going back to work at restaurants they didn't want to admit it and they still don't there's still a lot of restaurant owners uh you know whatever clue us in what are what are some of the uh the myth well some of the highest yeah some of the myths that we busted in that episode were like you know it's not that it's more just the culture it's the pay it's the benefits you don't get of working at a restaurant you get you know pardon my language was
[ __ ] on and then you know you work these hard hours long hours you sacrifice a lot you make very little um and that's nobody wanted to talk about that right like so people just moved on and got better jobs that paid more that they didn't have to come home completely drained physically and mentally uh you know working indoors ac sitting down at a desk maybe someone they're like dude this is way better and i get benefits like restaurants didn't want to admit that right and they thought well we
gotta it's just changing restaurants in a good way so the people that have accepted what it truly is about are the ones that you're seeing successful they're realizing you know i got to treat people with respect here at the restaurant it's not just about you know coming to work as well you know i got to treat them with respect treat them like family um try to pay them a little bit more try to do more things for them right to keep them around that's the real reason of people not going back to wor
k yes are some people on unemployment that's always a pro you know that's in any industry i'm sure there were a few people that that was the deal but no for the most part man that and and you've still seen the signs up even after texas stopped unemployment already a while back so you're still seeing the same problem right it wasn't like an influx of people and everyone was back to normal so yeah just that's what i mean so is it it's still the case that like if you're so i know there's different
roles in a restaurant but if you're a weight staff you get below minimum wage and you have to make all your money off of tips is that isn't that right is that still yeah yeah absolutely so because what people i always you know living over here and in the uk and overseas you always hear well god i can't believe you go to the united states and they everyone tips so much why do you tip so heavily and uh and it's just ridiculous and you have to explain to them that actually well every you know becau
se here people get at least a minimum wage there's not you can't pay anyone less than minimum wage even if they're weight staff uh and probably get paid a little more i don't know i'm not sure the latest but on that but uh you know it is a very you know it's a hard job um and yeah and and think about if you get that one table that uh whatever doesn't tip you or uh leaves you a really low you know low tip i mean that's you've basically worked for you know you haven't earned anything for an hour y
ou know and you know that's you know it's absolutely you got to pay out too i think a lot of yeah restaurants are broken down into front of house and back of the house so there's a big difference there too so like talking about what servers make they're not the one that's hardest hit by this as like kitchen staff this is the biggest thing it's affecting is kitchen staff because kitchen staff don't make tips generally they just you get a set hourly and that's it and that's also a big problem in t
he industry that yeah people want changed you know that's what it should go to part of the kitchen staff and so that yeah so so what are you saying the successful restaurants are learning the lessons and cha you know it's got to be is it more than just treating your staff better i mean i mean what are they doing to to that that's that's it that's a big thing but when you say treat yourself better i mean are they paying them more or are they yeah sometimes yes sometimes no like sometimes somebody
will work for you just because you treat them right you don't treat them like [ __ ] you treat them like a friend when they come in and several cooks right will be like look i work for you because it's fun to come to work we make good food i'm proud of what i do right you create an environment that they're all so proud now can you yes you do try to match that money but sometimes you could get away with the two dollar discrepancy let's say per hour because you've done these other things that don
't cost money they're just treating people as human beings and that that's just a big thing in american kitchen culture and restaurant that it's not like that it's a very cutthroat sort of you know environment and am i right i mean my my brother i never i've never waited tables but my brother did in a pretty pretty well was had a very good reputation uh restaurant in san antonio um but it was his inside and i've heard this from others that the there's a lot of mismanaged restaurants out there in
this yeah have you seen hell's kitchen i mean that hell's kitchen uh kitchen nightmares right like bar rescue like yes there are some absolute more more places are mismanaged than managed correctly yeah that's the truth that is the truth all right well what uh what else do i mean anything else uh one la any other uh myth busters or big i mean that was just a big thing it's just a good episode worth checking out because i think it applies to more industries than just the restaurant industry righ
t i think well that's true it is about just that myth uh that unemployment is what's keeping people from going back to work and that's that's not the case well you know richard branson the british billionaire or whatever he's he's always said you know uh uh people are your most important resource and you you get that right and everything everything else falls into piece you know falls into place takes care of itself absolutely it's the same way you run a restaurant well yeah we'll uh we'll we'll
start a uh we'll we'll get a clip in there as well yeah let's do a clip uh from g here just sort of maybe breaking that down or something real quick of that particular episode yes so check it out this is gonna be the difference between whether or not a restaurant okay can keep their staff okay it is gonna be the culture okay because i have interest this this prime example prime example okay all right i had a cook okay who was working at a different restaurant offered 25 an hour okay plus overti
me all this stuff you know probably benefits and everything yada yada yada right and then he comes to me obviously going to make weight less i mean i'm not going to pay 25 an hour like you're gonna make me more than me are you kidding me like no i'm not gonna pay you that but but that person is happily still working for me wow and it's because of culture right wow like he knows he's gonna be treated like a dog over there yeah and i'm gonna have i'm gonna have respect for him over here and treat
him not just like an employee but as a friend family sure wow wow like that that is literally the only difference that any restaurant could set themselves apart at this competitive atmosphere right now wow yeah i hope people are listening no that is for sure the only thing all right let's talk about your last one which is uh actually somebody we've had on our podcast too which i almost mentioned in our uh episodes here as well so i'm excited to talk about him yeah i am too and actually it links
to the last one because the whole reason we um got in touch with this with uh with tim o'brien who uh many will tell you is the uh probably the certainly the maybe the best author of american author of his generation uh is that uh we had anne wrap from the horton foot documentary on and then she was she was very magnanimous and she said you know you might want to reach out to um uh this fellow named aaron matthews uh he he's doing a documentary on uh on tim o'brien and so we did and he said yeah
we'd love to come on and i said well he said i'd love to come on i said well we'd love to have you any chance tim might want to get on and and he reached out to him and yeah and tim said he would um and uh it's uh it's you know you it's i think it's another proof that you can't judge your best episodes purely on likes and watches and you know listens and things like that because he's sure it's not been one of our biggest uh episodes in that regard but uh um you know you've interviewed him to ha
ve him on is it was just such an honor and uh i mean what this guy and and how he bears his soul to you to pete to audiences is is absolutely amazing um and he's and as much as he's this sort of stern in some ways uh curmudgeonly grandfatherly type person who uh but it was actually a new relatively uh new dad um he he wears his heart on his sleeve and uh you know i was i tell you there's i don't know if you had this time but i i did ask we've got talking about some subjects about uh vietnam and
other things and i i swear he was i i thought he almost started he started tearing up and i i was like i was like oh my god i made tim o'brien cry but uh you know but but i think it happens anyway i think he's uh and it's not because he's some weak willed man he's exact opposite isn't he i mean he is this very strong strong person who has a lot to say and um yeah i think he's been through a lot he's written a lot he's he's been a celebrated author for many decades now yeah um and then to do to l
eave this la i mean he's now said he has said that every book he writes is his last book and so i asked him if if that's the dad's maybe that's how you mark it that's the perfect marketing right now i don't think he's talking to it that way i think you've seen the doc i mean it's uh it's a right he will spend days just work working on a couple of hundred words right sure so that would be me if i if i i think that's why i liked him so much if i was a writer i would be him still smoking drinking d
oing this thing that's me that's essentially yeah that's me i mean i that's why i like the guy so much he was just a real person he's a real right like he's a real person and he lives in some i mean you've seen you've seen the film i mean he's just in some suburb there in austin he's not like living in some grand house you know he's like my neighbor that i shoot the [ __ ] with all the time right at the at the garbage right when you're taking out the garbage you get stuck in a 30-minute conversa
tion by the mailbox he's that guy but and you're just amazed by you know yeah i absolutely loved him man just as a person right and that made the podcast uh so much more special and really the seeing yours and then doing hours with him like fundamentally the differences even there too he's just such a cool he's just such a cool guy he is and um you know um he must get asked to be on all kinds of things and he and he said yes to us and uh he was uh um you paid you paved the way for that for us ye
ah i don't know about that but in that film too i mean you know he's there's some scenes that are absolutely hilarious in there you know he's uh he's he's hilarious he is hilarious he's you know he's he's trying to he's holding back too right like yeah it's that car he is exactly he is holding back right if he was i think what we need to do yeah we need to do an episode with we need to get tim o'brien back on and do an episode where um we just basically let it unleash him let him you know you ca
n cuss as much as you want you can smoke as much as you want you don't have to you know i think he because he he went he didn't smoke on ours i got the feeling he yeah he he kind of i think he might have had a cigarette on ourselves i would have smoked with him to make it comfortable yeah he was drinking a lot of cigarettes but i i would have he was jonesing for a cigarette and he kind of you know by the end of ours but he is one yeah i have a friend just that reminds me of him just like him hon
estly but they have different careers right he's not an author but he reminds he's a texas guy like he reminds me of just of tim o'brien like exactly that yeah he's and he's a he's a smart he's a chain smoker for sure yeah but he's a you know what he's uh he's originally from minnesota and then lived in uh cambridge massachusetts i think for many years but he's an honorary texan by any stretch of imagination so he fits in so well and um uh the film's the warm piece of tim o'brien which i highly
recommend and um i think we'll both play um shortly here you know you even play a clip from your own if you want uh we'll play a clip from certainly from ours um no we'll play your yeah i mean i guess we'll just tell people to check out ours too but yeah definitely a clip uh yeah no i think he's uh incredible credible life incredible person and he has so much to say um and i i feel bad for him but he will always have something to say because as as human beings we we still like to go to war for w
hatever reason and uh and these wars keep happening and uh people like him keep saying things about it but it doesn't seem to i don't know he i think he shrugs his shoulders a little bit about the whole thing now and now he's written this book i mean that's the thing he's imagine being able to write a book for your uh for your sons for them to to then read later in life because they're at a stage in their lives where they really don't care too much about what dad has to say so yeah that uh that
was wonderful shout out to aaron matthews director who for the oscar yeah he won an oscar not for that film uh but for a short documentary film that he worked on um as well yeah i gave him it was great i gave him a shout i uh sent him an email the day or day after the oscars and he was uh he was very uh yeah quite amazing yeah he was a producer he brought it up on our podcast he brought it up that he had gotten nominated um so he sort of mentioned it uh there and actually tim got excited because
he thought it was their film at first like right off the bat when he said it right i guess he hadn't told tim so like he revealed it even to tim didn't even yeah and tim was like oh oh our film got nominated for you can see it in the in our in our episode it's kind of a funny moment actually and aaron's like whoa wait wait wait wait it's not hard no no no no no no it's not our film it's the one i've really been working hard on yeah no i mean and i say that obviously aaron if he ever watches thi
s and i doubt he will but if he is you'll know i'm joking because what aaron had to go through uh to to get that tim o'brien film done and basically camped out and listen yeah you're just exactly just sitting with them tim o'brien for two years yeah you know smoke break after smoke break that's what they should have called that film smoke break it should have just been called smoke break because that's i'm guaranteeing you i i don't even know but i guarantee you that's what was happening half th
e time yeah which which is cool so yeah great great uh great episodes you completely opened up you started writing all these books well i only i only open up really with aaron on the film i i don't talk about vietnam much uh kind of like your dad you don't go to a cocktail party and say hey do you want to hear about the war i got so comfortable being around here and he lived with us for you know a couple of weeks at a time or a week at a time became kind of a member of the family so it wasn't li
ke talking to a stranger nice you think that so that helped that helped having aaron just stay there and and get some time eating some meals with them right uh that sort of deal more than some yeah a lot no you know if he's there for two weeks 14 times three what the hell is that like 42 or something like that that's a lot justin so no we became really close friends in the course of five years doing this wow wow that that's amazing um so that was awkward then having him in your house with the ca
mera just fixated on you while you was awkward at first yeah i mean at first it's you're conscious of the camera i guess i was always conscious of the camera but i just was able to ignore it you know after after you've done it a while just trusting that aaron will take out anything that's completely embarrassing he did leave in my bowling where i wasn't able to actually get a single pin but aside from that he's actually quite a good bowler um he was having a rough day though i was having a bad d
ay so what are i mean what are some of your top memories uh there besides these um i i think wanted so as we talked about you know this will really i think i was trying to think of top memory this and and really what i wanted to talk about more than anything was two things one i wanted to say thank you such a big thank you to everyone who works on these on these podcasts and the work they do behind the scenes because i just think that so many people we're the faces of the podcast and i still peo
ple still think that i'm the only one that does like that works like oh your podcast like like that i'm the only one and there's so many people behind you know that do so much work to make this happen for us to have these good episodes for us to for me to have my you know relaxed cool conversations with people there's a lot of work that gets done that i don't do that makes that happen and i just want to say thank you to everyone so that people know that are listening or watching like that that y
ou know is the case i couldn't do what i do without them and just thank you to everyone too many names i think they're gonna we're gonna do something in our episode where they get to do some shout outs and stuff so i'm glad that they'll uh get a little you know spotlight uh on them uh as well and the second thing really i just wanted to more than memories is just what i learned and what a lot of us learned on how to run a podcast through this you know i i think when you listen to a podcast you d
on't know the journey that the people behind the production are going through to get through right and i just think this season we really learned a lot you know we really came together and i'm so excited for the new season that's that's about to come up i just think we're bringing a lot of different things we've learned over you know whether it be technical stuff um you know we're upping the shows quality just production wise uh you know interview styles uh the content like where to take these c
onversations and blah blah blah like you know building those relationships with the guests and you know repeat guests like you i just started to see these things happening with the with the podcast as a whole through the season and it's been awesome and which has led us to my bit you know i want to make a big announcement here which we'll talk about more but you know down the road i'll give more details but we're having our first like live event right in person where people be able to you know s
ee us do a podcast on a stage at a coffee club there in austin called the creek in the cave september 15th we're going to have a big name comedian come out and you know do a set and i'm going to interview him on stage and we're going to eat and it's bringing food and comedy together i'm just excited for the different routes you know we're taking for the podcast um and you know bringing it all together yeah i'm just i'm so excited uh for that so well september 15th oh maybe i can uh things are op
ening up they just announced that uh flights flights are well the flights are have been existing but there's gonna be a lot more flights now because they've uh removed the restrictions on americans coming here to the uk so uh i have held off going flying back because it was just gonna be such a pain and be so expensive but i uh they should have restrictions for americans traveling anywhere their americans can be some of the worst tourists i'm an american i get it like we just don't know american
s live in this bubble and then they take america with them that's a problem with americans they take america with them well yeah no but i i can tell you yes but as someone who lives over here i can also tell you if you were to go to some hotels and ask them who would be your least favorite uh nationality to have on board they would not say americans well americans tip so you always like that and uh there's probably nice maybe they're nice generally you know especially if they're from texas right
exactly exactly we're always nice when we travel i mean what i guess you get is something you do get the ugly american and so of course it happens uh i'm kidding guys i'm getting of course yeah you've got to yeah i've but anyway um well no that sounds it sounds great i mean i think we've um um i i would just second what you've said i mean we've got this amazing crew that uh puts this together if it was down to me this would never get off the ground obviously all i do is all i do is i rock up i
watch a film i spend a little bit of time thinking about it and i talk to a guest and that's it that's my the extent of my a bit of this and it all goes down to many other people who uh who uh make sure that things happen and uh we will be giving them a a shout out uh more than a shout out at the end of all this um and to say that it's just been um um technically it's you know it's our it's our second technically your third but uh it's our second year i guess full years podcasts and um yeah it's
just been amazing if you look back you said you know we're talking about how we don't listen to old episodes maybe i will go take episode one and dust it off and see what it was like because you think about where we've come since then i've gone from since then i mean we've got night and day yeah and the people were getting on and i and it's not just the big names i mean yeah sure we've had rj cutler on twice we actually got alex gibney which uh that's huge you know i mean well i remember in the
early days tweeting something from one of our first episodes because i knew his twitter account and just like spending an hour just trying to write this tweet just get it just right so he would you know and uh but never thought lo and behold he would ever be on the show and we got him on this year um had sam pollard who is this great african-american director who's on the uh the board of the academy that decides the uh best documentaries um that was a great yep that was another that was almost
on my list uh that in some ways should be on my list just because we filmed it on january 5th right oh my god and at the end yeah so we're we're at the very end uh or was it was it the sixth i think it was you know it was definitely on the fifth it was before the sixth happened if you know what i'm talking about and the storming of the capitol and we're talking about trump and nina and he's just being we're being kind of old middle-aged men uh just talking about things and he's like he has i don
't know what do you think and i said i don't know i i i you know i think he'll go but he's but he's not gonna go quietly and i was like no you're probably right he's not gonna go quietly and we had a whole and then i get home and sure enough you know next if i can't remember it was that evening yeah it's just like oh my god you see all the images on that yeah yeah yeah just like the flags the point sam was sam had it spot on but uh but you know and then we've also have these great up and coming
filmmakers people that yeah no one's really heard of now but i i'm sure in uh uh you know five ten years they'll be practically household names um [Music] so uh yes so we have all these up and coming filmmakers coming on and uh we've had so many great stories we've had uh oh we had the director of uh the chuck berry one who had it he told us all of he's this guy's so connected in the rock world he had all these great stories even about the making of uh i don't know if you know baker street by je
rry rafferty but he knew the whole make the story behind that and some of these other great great songs and then um the cameraman good old girl is a film that was that's i don't know if you've ever had uh the director there but the the one of the filmmakers on that film was actually the cameraman on the trump axios interview we did it i did interview them and we still haven't released the interview because the film's not out yet or something like that i don't know nevin is working on that but ye
ah yeah i talked to him about that too uh actually yeah um yeah yeah that way you gotta release it now that's a great episode actually um yeah that i want that's actually the only episode we have that we haven't released that we want to release we have other episodes that we they'll never see the light of day uh one i secretly distribute underground did you know that there's a secret lone star play podcast episode that gets distributed underground only if you message me and you know the person's
name to ask for specifically i will send you a private mp3 of that unreleased episode wow i just said that out loud but yeah that's the truth that's the truth that's anyway um okay um all right uh i think no no no i'm sorry i'm i'm thinking i cuz you see it just for transparency it's cool i love it i kind of like it no i've just got a message that's come across the screen of course i'm at anyway i don't need to go into detail old man stuff but my reading glasses don't quite work at that distanc
e but basically uh we will uh if we go over two hours we're going to have to worry we're not going to go over two hours oh no that way no we're almost um congratulations on a great season three for you and uh um yeah i think uh it's been um you know it's it's it's been great for us it's been great for us to have you uh this is your second appearance on uh on factual america and i hope i know our listeners and enjoy having you on and um i hope so yeah we will uh i hope you have a great summer and
um uh and then i ask every that uh everyone stay on and listen to or watch all the uh the uh a little bit of all the shout outs we have at the end because we would like to do all these people justice uh and it's the bare minimum we can do in order to show our appreciation 100 i wanted to give him a whole podcast episode really i did i was like let's all get together and just have this big party as a podcast episode just because again there's so many people that make the graphics and the posting
and the social media and the this and the and there's people that listen to every episode right and make notes and like yeah they're the true transcripts let me tell you something yeah they're the real heroes of these podcasts like yeah real but i'd like to appreciate what you said too yeah i mean i get these messages at at minute at 56.03 you said it sounds like you said this but is that what you actually said i like i have no clue what i actually said you know that's hilarious yeah exactly th
ey're the real ones uh that are going through i mean by god people gotta listen to and transcript what i say oh my gosh i'm so sorry uh to everyone that has to listen to my voice uh repeatedly uh on that uh well i mean i see the transcripts and you know and i i will never make fun of uh george w bush again let's let's put it that way uh oh my god absolutely for speaking abilities at least yeah yeah for sure i mean you said did you have any uh idiot bloopers or anything that we're like um yes yea
h so look i wanted to say uh well one congratulations to you as well you know you're crushing a man just keep doing what you're doing i'm excited for the new season and you know can't wait to see what more you know you guys do and um big shout out to sebastian sourbourne who well right yeah i mean main person that makes all this happen without sebastian none of this would have he's such a great person to work for i've said it on other podcasts that i've been on as a guest when i talk about the p
odcast because just work with him creatively has just been such a pleasure and you know the working relationship is absolutely amazing one of the best i've ever had and there's just so much more to to do and to go and i'm so excited so big shout out to sebastian um you know for making all this happen and you know big big creative uh mind behind a lot of you know the decisions we make and and the things we do so but i did have one club that i made that i just thought was perfect sort of apropos f
or for you know the situation and we'll play a clip of it but it's um right at the beginning of an episode i was talking to this director and actor duo they're brothers and they released this movie with um george lopez andy mcdowell uh you know it's like this border film about you know mexico and texas border and cowboys and and right at the beginning how were my coffees like this okay these big coffees right and and i start to tell this horrible story and i regret it so much about this encounte
r i had with a homeless person and god struck me down and immediately spilled my coffee i'm talking everywhere all over the table in the middle of this interview and i had to like get bounty paper towels like run off i mean it was horrific like i'll never forget that like so please play a clip of that it's right at the beginning of the episode um i'm pretty sure we used that at the beginning of that episode to that clip i just totally made a fool of myself i'll never forget it and it actually br
oke the broke the wall because i must have spilled my coffee a few more times throughout the episodes because so basically you're what you're telling me is you're bucking for a uh sponsorship deal with bounty paper towels there you go i mean it's product placement isn't it and coffee and coffee yeah is it your uh your your lily or whatever we should get a coffee sponsor because i drink so much coffee on the podcast like we should have a texas roast or coffee you know yeah you should an idea ther
e you should that's okay there you go there you go i was buying a ticket at the dart which is the uh for people i mean people know uh the the train system here right buying a ticket to get on the door and and i had my mask down because i was talking to my buddy and whatever is down and this homeless guy walks by goes oh [ __ ] i just spilled my coffee did y'all see that oh my god anyway the the guy uh the gu the guy goes uh uh listen you know you should have your mask on right now it's not helpi
ng anybody i was like goddamn okay like really people are so people are serious about it here hang on guys i have to grab like a quicker picker upper here i'm yeah listen this guy was like all about it you know protecting i think he's just protected people on the platform that's what i assume yeah you're in his house you know totally dude i honestly he was right like i can't blame him the guy was right dude these uh paper towels shout out to h-e-b uh yeah i was gonna say that was all planned rig
ht that was it that's it yeah this is a sponsored segment guys sponsored i cannot believe i spilled my espresso um we don't i mean i don't make mistakes so i've actually don't have anything to share uh no they're uh though to be honest they're many are made uh i've gotten names wrong luckily i've gotten been corrected uh yeah you know um somehow they get written down wrong in the script that's down to me obviously not that there's a script being on my notes i did have well it's not it's not even
so much i i did have one we've not released because kind of similar to you um we thought it was okay though i had this niggling suspicion that it didn't go well and sure enough um the person has asked us not to release it uh but now but uh you know others have watched it and still can't figure it out uh yeah i mean well we know why they said it but we can't understand why they said that got it yeah yeah no i don't know what you mean when you watch it you don't see what they said is what you're
saying yeah it's um so that's interesting wow that's a first i haven't we haven't had that i'll be honest that hasn't happened to us yet oh wait that's a lie we have no it's you had one happen and it's kind of similar to that one yeah okay i see what you're saying i said yeah ours wasn't real though like i did do what they said that we did like so they were right but i thought them taking it the step of don't release it at all i thought was wrong oh yeah it was make a fix and we could easily you
know one one literally one second in an episode they didn't want to release the whole thing which we could have easily fixed so that was sort of yes to me but i'm sorry oh no mine was if if what i did is true and i have have apologized um then uh then there's nothing saving that episode uh you can't please everybody right look how many interviews you do how many people you talk to like it's impossible to [Music] it's just impossible yeah so you know i feel for you like i know i can feel for you
a hundred percent right like i would tell you just below it just don't even worry about it because yeah so you won't mind if uh in 20 minutes time i give you a call and say wait a minute i don't think we can release this i was i was offended by your uh by your questions um but uh anyway hey well uh patrick it's been great to talking with you it's always a joy uh it's a joy to watch your and listen to your your episodes and long keep them coming uh i will see if i can make a rock up on the septe
mber on september dude how cool would that be if not i would be amazingly cool okay we're definitely gonna be having more comedy clubs is the way to go that's that's we figured out that's the perfect venue for us to do these podcast episodes out okay it's good to know we're trying to do since we're a little behind here in the uk in terms of opening up and stuff like that uh we are trying to do something similar but it hasn't been possible to plan anything until now so uh but we aren't we are als
o trying to go for a live event uh man probably in london with uh that's awesome someone big name and uh i don't know if we'll be selling tickets it's but uh we will be uh doing something on that that order so um anyway man take care of yourself get yourself it's late enough you need to get you need to grab one of these okay yeah yeah that's true uh i'm aiming for a sponsorship deal uh budvar if the anyone in the czech republic is listening i'm a big fan of this uh this beer and uh so please uh
if you'd like to sponsor the podcast we'd be happy or if you're not in the czech republic then you know name your name your poison i will uh i i will be happy to drink it i'm sure um but uh uh take care and we'll um well let's uh we'll do this again sometime uh in uh the next season the next season absolutely all right have a great great summer all right take care you too see you actually sebastian i'm going to start with you you'll be the first you're my top left here great yeah i'd love to so
yeah my name is sebastian i'm based in the uk um and i mean i guess my first time is executive producer so we have been producing this podcast now you know um lonzo played for two years you know time flies um has been a great experience so far very similar with you know faction america also around two years what i like about the lone star plate is that um it reminds me of texas and um i lived in texas for quite a while now even if i didn't live there for the last two years i used to travel there
regularly but in the last um you know 18 months we were not able to travel at all so this feels you know a little bit like texas um twice a week that's awesome and that voice you heard was sebastian sauerborn who is the executive producer of both factual america lone star play all of that guys so thank you so much this is the part of the episode i told you about where you're going to meet everyone behind the scenes who works on this podcast if you're watching it you get to see everybody's beaut
iful amazing faces if you're listening you get to hear the beautiful amazing voices and you know capture it both so yeah that was sebastian he's the man behind the plan guys okay when you see something cool happening he's the reason okay that's that's the truth so yeah much props to sebastian uh for making all this out for real legitimately you know all jokes aside uh yeah for sure um so thank you for that sebastian yeah you did an amazing job um love working with you it's awesome so okay um nex
t let's see i'm gonna go to my right here which is gonna be let me get this name right malcolm mann wow beautiful malcolm pleasure hello yeah my name is malcolm i live in london united kingdom and i work exclusively on factual america and i share the responsibility for the promotional posts on social media with rose and i also edit the transcript for the episodes as well what do i like about factual america well i'm a complete sucker for action films i love the mission impossible pictures but un
fortunately they don't give a very wide picture of america and the diversity of subjects on factual america really quite stunning um from salesmen right at the beginning in the sixties uh the uh various subjects to do with uh texas more recently well death penalties especially um and quite a few in between and it can be also an out of this world experience with the last podcast talking about uh the god particle and the cern project in switzerland right at the recreating the second after the big
bang so yeah the range of subjects that it covers i thought i knew one or two things about america before i started working on this and now i know about 20 or 30 more as a result it's a great experience that's awesome wow what a great answer malcolm listen y'all y'all need to follow that okay just saying no that's awesome really really happy uh to hear that and yes and i always mention it on the lone star play please check out factual america it's amazing podcast that does it it just covers uh y
ou know a great assortment of different documentaries and topics like malcolm said so thank you malcolm so much man you do a great job everything you do looks fantastic so thank you props to you brother okay next up is nevina you're up on the list here the glue that holds everything together i'm based in belgrade serbia and i work as a podcast manager for both uh the lone star plate and factual america and i've been there since episode one of both podcasts and now we are at almost 70 with actual
america and uh 170 with the lowest airplane so it's not say like which my favorite episode it's like so many children and you cannot choose between all these children um quite exciting it's free i learned so much with eating episodes and i'm very looking forward to uh the full season of both shows bam yes special shout out to nevina y'all she does so much for this podcast it like makes it keeps us all together keeps us all connected and everything you know at least for me personally big thank y
ou never know to everything you do i mean that so thank you okay danilo all right brother the editing masters over here okay brother you're up let us know how you doing yes can you hear us yeah you're up you're up brother thank you so uh my name is danilo i'm from serbia and i'm working as a video and audio editor on the lone star played podcast so the best thing about the lone star played podcast is i think the music and the music guests you you all always bring and just learning about the texa
s culture that i am not familiar with so that that's the thing i enjoy in the in the process process of working on the lone star plate awesome yeah perfect answer love that simple that's awesome what's one thing you learned i'm going to put you on the spot here dinner what's one thing you learned about texas from the podcast uh-oh do you like a good food okay fair enough fair enough we're in i like it well thank you man you do it you do an amazing job on the podcast uh it's it took a different y
ou know the quality went up when you took over from me editing let's be real so you do you know you do a great job thank you so much for everything you do man i can't wait for the new season we're working out all our little things and i'm so excited for the new episodes so okay brother well thank you again charlie you're up brother pleasure hello everybody i'm charlie latham i do the show notes for both facts from america and the lone star plate um facts america on the documentary nut so to get
to listen and find out about new exciting documentaries every week is just amazing and the lone star play i mean patrick it's great to put a face the name you're hilarious you have me in giggles every week i'm not gonna lie and i'm a big american fan and texas is definitely on my next state to visit so excited for it you got a place to stay brother when you need it i'll take you up on that absolutely absolutely well thank you charlie do a great job brother appreciate all your hard work okay but
yeah that's a good call okay so pavel you're up hey there my name is pyro i'm based in portugal and uh i was working with lone star played podcast since i think episode 140 or something like this and for me you know it's very uh not hard job because i'm just uh enjoying watching podcasts i'm just cheating watching podcast and elsa edited and has some interesting parts uh so for me basically it's not even the work i'm just i'm just watching watching the podcast and uh and video and audio editor u
m so yeah and the thing that i like is elsa as daniel said about the musicians because i like the music and i like to uh reveal for myself some new musicians for example last episode with suzanne santo uh i checked your music it's amazing it's amazing i have half of your of your music in my playlist now so yeah that's the plan that's awesome yeah i agree uh her music is amazing if anyone hasn't checked it out on here please check it out suzanne santo i was blown i'm not not just saying that it w
as literally like oh [ __ ] this is really good music yeah she's really great that's a great answer that's that's good i'm glad to hear that that the music aspect is reaching people i don't think y'all are the only ones to say that to be honest with you we we get known for like the i guess our like full texas singer interviews are really people like those a lot and then the performances will be so i'm happy to hear you guys for sure that's awesome uh well thank you pablo again you know same thin
g i said daniela you do a great job man thank you for all your hard work and everything you do man it shows so thank you so much um okay ursa you're up hello hi so um i'm usha i am based in indiana slovenia i take care of social media for the long start like podcast and the thing that i really like the most is um i've always liked the feeling of being connected to like other places and people and um this opportunity gives me just that and the team is amazing as well so it's just a a very nice um
how do you say like a nice reminder about how cool people around the world are that's it no no keep going no i'm kidding okay no that's a that's really cool um yeah p you know people are cool all around the world absolutely i love hearing that no that's cool hey look we have an international team for real so that's uh very cool uh well thank you everybody for you know uh introducing yourself don't miss anybody never know do i miss anything we need to shout out people that aren't here right okay
so from the lone star plate um caroline grape oh gosh caroline for sure needs a huge shout out she does so much um she's always at our you know helping us with the lone star plate for sure running texas real food um and corey cory mancias who does our outreach for emailing uh the guests and and those sort of things trying to help us get guests um [Music] from the um oh both shows okay so aubry fernandez she works on both shows factual america and the lone star plate and j apuya who was on at th
e beginning we lost a he's our graphic designer does all those cool quotes you see online and you see us posting on social media he's doing all those and who else we're missing rose panic i hope i'm saying that right social media manager for factual america and sam and joe graves audio and video editors for factual america am i missing anybody yeah we have like few more designers for the nails that's right yes okay marco uh vuco [ __ ] yep i get that right yep thumbnail designer for the lone sta
r plate and sasha pop itch is that right i am y'all thumbnail designer for factual america listen there's a lot of names okay this is a lot to trying to get all this right here i always want to get names right it's important uh so yeah right and of course matthew sherwood the host of path jewel america i guess we'll bring them up now of course absolutely matthew sherwood yes the host of faction and that's it i mean that's everybody it's a lot that's a lot i'm glad people got to see hear from oth
er people that work on the podcast again people only see matthew's face and they see my face and and people legitimately think like we put it together no joke you know have people come out oh you do the everything like no of course not um so i'm happy people can see that and see that there's other people that make all this happen all the magic happen hey jay do you want to you want to do an introduction for yourself hello guys i'm jay i'm based in philippines i'm a graphic designer for uh foctol
america and the lone star blade my job is basically to make drop picks for gold statement uh for all the episodes of both capital and lone circling what i learned about pactual america and lone star play both are informative for me i learn stuff that i don't know especially that i am the philippines the culture is different and i learned things from what i heard and i see what what i design yeah i think i think that's all for me guys sorry i'm i'm i'm nervous don't worry about you're nervous se
e this is what i i gotta do that all the time i gotta talk to people all the time no i'm kidding jay you do a great job man thank you so much thank you guys no i'm glad i'm glad jay got to come back in there at the end so um okay well if there's any last words or anything um thank you again for everybody's hard work and everything they do on the podcast and looking forward to the new seasons we have coming up and lone star plate's got an event in-person event coming up here in september 15th so
creaking the cave austin if anybody can make it the lone star play podcast is produced by texas real food go to texasrealfood.com and you can search your city for stores butchers restaurants farmers markets and more who are using fresh artisanal organic sources it's a fun site that brings all natural options all together i hope you enjoyed this episode for more information go to thelonestarplay.com i'm your host patrick scott armstrong until next time you
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