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The Other Flying Fortress You Haven't Heard About

On a crisp morning in April 1950, the engines of the PB4Y-2 Privateer, nicknamed the Turbulent Turtle, roared to life on a runway of Wiesbaden, West Germany. This aircraft, a veteran of World War 2's Pacific theater, prepared for a journey deep into the Baltic Sea's tension-filled skies. The Privateer, with its advanced modifications, was a shadow in the sky, a ghostly presence tasked with a mission as dangerous as it was crucial. It would pierce the Iron Curtain and gather critical electronic and signals intelligence. The Turbulent Turtle, born from the legacy of the B-24 Liberator and adapted for the Navy's demanding requirements, was no ordinary aircraft. Its fuselage had been stretched to accommodate state-of-the-art electronic countermeasures and radar antennas, transforming it into a flying fortress bristling with a dozen .50 caliber machine guns. But as the Turbulent Turtle neared the coast of Liepāja, Latvia, the quiet hum of its engines was soon drowned out by the ominous roar of Soviet La-11 fighters. As Soviet fighters closed in, the crew of the Turbulent Turtle faced a dire situation; their mission of intelligence gathering suddenly became secondary to the immediate challenge of survival… --- Join Dark Skies as we explore the world of aviation with cinematic short documentaries featuring the biggest and fastest airplanes ever built, top-secret military projects, and classified missions with hidden untold true stories. Including US, German, and Soviet warplanes, along with aircraft developments that took place during World War I, World War 2, the Korean War, the Vietnam War, the Cold War, the Gulf War, and special operations mission in between. As images and footage of actual events are not always available, Dark Skies sometimes utilizes similar historical images and footage for dramatic effect and soundtracks for emotional impact. We do our best to keep it as visually accurate as possible. All content on Dark Skies is researched, produced, and presented in historical context for educational purposes. We are history enthusiasts and are not always experts in some areas, so please don't hesitate to reach out to us with corrections, additional information, or new ideas.

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On a crisp morning in April 1950,  the engines of the PB4Y-2 Privateer, nicknamed the Turbulent Turtle, roared  to life on a runway of Wiesbaden, West Germany. This aircraft, a veteran of World  War 2's Pacific theater, prepared for a journey deep into the Baltic Sea's tension-filled skies.  The Privateer, with its advanced modifications, was a shadow in the sky, a ghostly presence tasked  with a mission as dangerous as it was crucial. It would pierce the Iron Curtain and gather  critical electr
onic and signals intelligence. The Turbulent Turtle, born from the legacy  of the B-24 Liberator and adapted for the Navy's demanding requirements, was no  ordinary aircraft. Its fuselage had been stretched to accommodate state-of-the-art  electronic countermeasures and radar antennas, transforming it into a flying fortress  bristling with a dozen .50 caliber machine guns. But as the Turbulent Turtle neared  the coast of Liepāja, Latvia, the quiet hum of its engines was soon drowned  out by the
ominous roar of Soviet La-11 fighters. As Soviet fighters closed in, the crew of the  Turbulent Turtle faced a dire situation; their mission of intelligence gathering suddenly became  secondary to the immediate challenge of survival… The B-24 Liberator was a four-engine heavy  bomber aircraft used extensively by the United States Army Air Forces throughout World  War 2. It was produced in more numbers than any other American military aircraft  of its era, with over 18,000 units built. The B-24 f
eatured a distinctive twin-tail  design and a high-mounted Davis wing, providing long-range and high speed. Its large  bomb bay could carry around 8,000 pounds, making it well-suited for strategic bombing operations. Powered by four Pratt & Whitney R-1830 radial engines, the B-24 had a maximum speed of over  300 miles per hour and a range of more than 2,000 miles. It carried a crew of 10, including  pilots, bombardiers, gunners, and navigators. The B-24 bomber played an essential role in  bombin
g campaigns against Axis targets in Europe, North Africa, and the Pacific theater. Its  popularity resided in its wide range of mission compatibility, which included long-range  strategic bombing, anti-submarine patrols, and airborne supply operations. Nevertheless, despite its versatility and effectiveness, the B-24 was known for its  challenging handling characteristics, earning it the nickname "The Flying Coffin" among some crews. Still, the bomber’s popularity convinced the United States Nav
y to employ it with a modified  airframe for its naval operations. The first bombers delivered to the Navy were dubbed PB4Y-1  Liberators and featured minor naval modifications. Other conversions included using a tail belonging  to a Douglas B-23 Dragon, a vertical fin from a C-54 transport, and even the experimentation of a  ball turret instead of the standard nose turret. Even after all these iterations, the Navy was  unsatisfied and asked Consolidated Aircraft for a fully-fledged nasalized de
sign.  The result was the PB4Y-2 Privateer, first delivered in 1943 to the Navy for dedicated  long-range patrols and bombing operations. The Privateer was relatively similar  to the Liberator, but it was tailored specifically for naval operations. First and  foremost, the fuselage was lengthened to house a vigilant flight engineer station where the  operator managed the central aircraft systems. Another change included the position  of the navigator’s Astrodome, which was moved from the upper n
ose to a  location behind the first dorsal gun turret. The radar antennas and electronic  countermeasure communication equipment were also spread out through the  fuselage, protruding from several sides, as was the case with the innovative AN/APS-2  radome that was retractable behind the nose wheel. Secondly, the Privateer stood out from its  big brother with a unique vertical stabilizer, a departure from its predecessor's  standard twin-tail configuration. Forged from the remnants  of another U
SAAF prototype, the B-24N, the Privateer's single tail bolstered  stability and enhanced maneuverability at medium altitudes generally used for naval operations. Armed to the teeth with twelve .50-caliber M2 Browning machine guns, the Privateer was  armed with a defensive arsenal that boasted power and precision, omitting the Liberator's  ventral turret for weight-saving measures. The M2 machine guns were strategically  placed along the Privateer to protect it from all zones and shoot down any 
enemy threat that sought to flank it. Freed from the encumbrance of turbochargers as  the aircraft was not required to fly at high altitudes, the Privateer ascended  the skies with lethal agility. Crafted for the arduous demands of  maritime missions, this adaptation aimed to combat pilot fatigue, a  persistent foe on prolonged patrols, which included an additional seat  for a flight engineer crewmember. The first units of the Privateer entered service  in late 1943 but did not begin to make an
impact until the last months of 1944. Patrol Bomber  Squadrons 118 and 119 were the first Fleet squadrons to be equipped with the new aircraft. The majority of the 739 Privateers were delivered to the US Navy after the conclusion of the  global conflict in Europe. Nevertheless, several squadrons managed to see service in  the Pacific theater, commencing on January 6, 1945, and delivered outstanding  performances according to their crews. These units excelled in various  roles, including surveill
ance, search and rescue, electronic countermeasures,  and communication relays in the Marianas. The Privateers also ravaged the Pacific with  offensive operations beginning in March 1945. The Chinese coasts and the northern portion of  Okinawa were subjected to offensive missions conducted by Patrol Bomber Squadron 119  out of Clark Field in the Philippines. Privateers also conducted military operations  in the Gulf of Tonkin and the skies above French Indochina before the Japanese surrender. Du
ring  the invasion of the volcanic island of Iwo Jima, Navy Privateers conducted 16-hour-long  operations, which ranged from searching for enemy radar, radio/navigational stations,  troop ships, land objectives, and sea targets. They also reported on weather  conditions, enemy positions, and operations, located downed airmen over the  sea, and coordinated SAR or rescue operations. As if that was not enough, the Navy Privateers  also provided cover for Army Air Forces’ B-29 bomber operations abov
e the skies of  mainland Japan. Besides its military role, the Navy also employed the PB4Y-2  Privateers for typhoon and hurricane hunters during the last months of  the war against the Japanese Empire. Monitoring typhoons was, on occasion, more  dangerous than flying over active combat zones. Such was the tragedy of BuNos 59415 and 59716,  which were lost during hurricane hunting missions. The initial aircraft suffered a mechanical  failure and went down during an examination of a Category 1 ty
phoon in the vicinity of  Batan Island, near the Philippines. The second aircraft was lost during a Super Typhoon Doris  reconnaissance mission on December 16, 1953, near the small island of Agrihan north  of Guam. However, no trace of the crew or wreckage of the plane was ever found. Despite their aging technology, the Navy employed the Privateers successfully during  the outbreak of the Korean War. Following the invasion of South Korea by the Communist forces  of the North in June 1950, the Na
vy deployed its PB4Y-2 Privateers for patrol missions to detect  Chinese or North Korean seaborne infiltrators. PB4Y-2s flew through the darkness on daring  Firefly missions, their engines roaring as they dropped parachute flares to illuminate  the treacherous terrain below for the United Nations troops engaging the enemy in nighttime  operations or provide them with better visibility when sieged by Communist soldiers. With each flare cast into the night, the pilots faced enemy fire. They naviga
ted  through the chaos to detect and thwart North Korean and Chinese seaborne infiltrators. But the Privateers' valor extended far beyond the Korean Peninsula. Along the frigid waters of the  Soviet Union and the People's Republic of China, these Navy aircraft served as the vanguards  of intelligence, their wings slicing through enemy airspace air as they conducted vital  signals intelligence or SIGINT flights. These missions were considered high-risk and  had high rewards as they required the a
ircraft to approach or penetrate enemy territory to  eavesdrop on enemy radar signals or radio traffic. The air-to-ground and air-to-air communication  between interceptor controllers and pilots was precious for intelligence analysts. The  easiest way to obtain this information was to provoke the enemy's air defenses  to launch an aircraft interception. On April 8, 1950, Soviet La-11 fighters  unleashed a hail of fire against a PB4Y-2 Privateer known as the Turbulent Turtle.  Assigned to Patrol
Squadron 26 or VP-26, the brave crew met their fate off the coast of  Liepāja, Latvia, after enemy anti-aircraft fire tore through the fuselage of the aircraft. The shooting down of the American aircraft by the USSR led to new tensions between both  nations, with the Soviet Union stating: (QUOTE) “The plane penetrated the territory of the Soviet  Union to a distance of 21 kilometers… a flight of Soviet fighters took off from a nearby airdrome  and demanded that the American plane follow it and l
and at the airdrome. The American plane  not only failed to comply with this demand but opened fire on the Soviet planes.” “Owing to this, an advance Soviet fighter was forced to open fire in  reply, after which the American plane turned toward the sea and disappeared.” The Privateer’s crew was never seen again. During the early years of the Cold War,  the Privateers were also considered for delivery of nuclear weapons. Some PB4Y-2s were  specially modified to deliver second-generation atomic bo
mbs, but none were used to  conduct tests during their service. Over 40 privateers were also given to the  Nationalist Chinese Air Force led by Chiang Kai-shek to help them fight against the  Communist forces led by Mao during the Chinese Civil War. They were employed in similar  roles but were ultimately destroyed or captured by the Red Chinese People’s Army Air Force  when Chiang Kai-shek retreated to Taiwan. Other post-war combat services included the  French Air Force. Like China and Korea,
French Indochina was engulfed in a civil war between  the colonial regime and the Communist insurgents led by a nationalistic leader, Ho Chi Minh. The war between the French and the Viet Minh escalated in the early 1950s, leading the  military to request military assets from other allies. As a result, over 20 Privateers  were provided to the Aéronautique Navale for service with the French colonial army in Vietnam. The reliable Privateers were used as strategic bombers to destroy Viet Minh troops
scattered  across the countryside and the jungles of Southeast Asia. The aircraft remained operational  until the French Colonial troops were decisively defeated during the Battle of Dien Bien Phu. Only four out of 22 aircraft were lost in combat. Six were returned to US service, and  the remaining twelve were flown to North Africa, where they fought in the Algerian uprising and  later during the Suez Incident of the late 1950s. In 1961, the operational Privateers were  scrapped in favor of the
new American Lockheed P2V Neptunes. As for those that remained  under American Navy control, they were retired in 1954 and transferred to the US Coast Guard. Some were adapted as radio control target drones off Point Magu, California, in the early  1960s. The last Privateer, flying under the call sign Opposite 31 and carrying the ironic nickname  Lucky Pierre, was shot down by a Bullpup missile with an experimental proximity fuse that  turned the Bullpup into an air-to-air weapon. When the US C
oast Guard no longer found a  use for its search and rescue Privateers, the aging aircraft became anti-forest fire  water bombers. These Coast Guard Privateers removed the side and nose turrets and rebuilt  the nose with a vast, glazed observation dome. Some Privateers also found their way to the  civilian market after being sold as surplus. Civilians who purchased them gave the aircraft  new life after modifying them with new Wright R-2600 engines and installing of borate/water  slurry tanks to
use them as air tankers. These civilian-modified aircraft were known as  Super Privateers and remained in service until 2002, bringing the life of the aircraft to an  end almost six decades after its introduction.

Comments

@PB4Y2

Thanks for this video. My father was a turret gunner in PB4Y2s in WWII. They flew anti-sub patrols out of San Diego and were scheduled to go to Okinawa to participate in the invasion of Japan but the war ended before they shipped out.

@gregorybrown3387

My friend John Copp was a bird colonel Captain out of England. Thay sold him his B24 after the war , he lost.a propeller over Australia and landed it safely. He sent for another prop and all thay sent him was a block of wood and a draw knife. Thank you for your service John and god bless

@kl0wnkiller912

I recently did some commission model work for a guy whose grandfather owned a large farm in Texas during and after the war. He gave me a copy of a home video (in color!) of an airshow in Texas around 1951. It has a bunch of these aircraft as well as Hellcats and many other WW2 era aircraft but the real gem was a flyover by an early B-36 (before they put jets on it), escorted by several P-82 twin Mustangs. the P-82s landed and he got a bunch of footage of the flying and taxiing. Also a lot of footage of them flying their grandfather's Cessna "Bamboo Bomber" that he bought surplus after the war... landing it on dirt roads and such. Really cool footage. I need to post it to YouTube someday.

@FoulOwl2112

My Grandfather was an Engineer on a B24. He and his crew survived a crash in WW2. For whatever reason he stripped the wreck of instrumentation. I've still got it all stored along with throat mics, leather cap and gloves, goggles and 20 -25 instruments. The gyro compass is still stuck on Heading 226°. The direction they were going when they crashed out and lost vacuum. A moment frizen in time. I always thought it's kinda cool.

@briansmith8079

So little talked about. One of your finest, most informative documentaries yet! The La-11 encounter was never known until now. Very good sir.

@cammobunker

PB4Y2 Privateers were noted for curing most of the handling characteristics that made pilots hate the standard B-24. B-24s were noted for being difficult and tiring to fly for long periods. Most former PB4Y (standard Navy B-24) pilots that wound up later flying the PB4Y2 were known to praise the newer version to high heaven. Better stability, better control at speed, less muscle needed to fly.

@user-yn2bj7cj1o

Being a modeler of 1/72 scale aircraft and a fan of all WWII subjects the PB4Y was one of my favorites. I happened to purchase two Matchbox kits of their PB4Y's in the early '70's and held on to them when (and I can't remember who or what) came out with a small decal sheet of one particular aircraft. A crude kit, I began sanding down all raised panel lines and rescribing them. I used the beautiful Squadron-Signal canopy set to replace the thick Matchbox fair and ended up selling it at an IPMS "Butch O'Hare" club show up at one of the last ones held at the Glenview Naval Air Station outside of Chicago. I still have the other kit but no add-ons for it. I wish some other manufacturer would put one out.😁

@GRW3

My father was a crew chief on both PBYs and PB4Ys, both 1 and 2. My mother worked on building them at Consolidated.

@markbentley4800

While I was a pilot at Hawkins and Powers Aviation in Greybull, Wy I had two rides(not as a pilot) in PB4Y-2's in the 1970's. That along with a ride in a KC-97 are among my favorite memories.

@doug3316

Last year, Osprey published a book in their Duel series titled "H6K Mavis/H8K Emily vs PB4Y-1/2 Liberator/Privateer: Pacific Theater 1943-45"

@j.p.3274

The group my father ran with in high school all became elite level pilots and all went in different directions. My father was training Navy pilots at a ridiculously young age but someone buzzed the base commander's house at Macdill and they transferred the group to Hickory N.C. His students would be flying off carriers in the Pacific Theatre. Another went to the Aleution Islands flying B-24s. Him and his wife were at my wedding. Scary times they were. Those pilots and crews should be here today to talk sense into people and tell what is really important in life.

@texafornia1

My grandad was a B-24 pilot. Very cool to see this other plane. A lot of people don't know that the reason the B-17 was considered tougher was it has low slung wings instead of high. When a Liberator would make a ditch landing, it would rip the bottom off the plane and kill far more crew than the B-17. Because the B-17 was protected from the bottom being shredded off by the wings and super strong connecting structure taking more of the grinding instead. Both were incredible planes.

@leonardpoindexter5289

My father was a B24 pilot out of England in WWII. He didn’t have many good things to say about it.

@GooberD

Its so sad how ignored the B24 has gone, justice for my boy!

@jonminer9891

Thanks for this episode. I didn't know anything about the Privateers. They were a great design. Thanks for sharing! Stay Healthy!

@GTGibbs

I used to watch those Super Privateers land for fuel at Fortuna Air Strip while they flew as Tankers for CDF. I thought they resembled a modified 24 with 29 engines and Tails, and some kind of fabbed up in a hurry nose’s. Amazing to see one of those tankers again, and hear its true history. Thanks. We watched quite a few B26’s a couple of Boxcars, one with a JATO assist pod mounted up high on its back. Liberators, mostly A-26 surplus or B-26’s surplus tankers. I will always picture in my memory a huge aircraft that seemed to have the same tail as a B-29 but much bigger or so it seemed. Thanks for your content. Great memories.

@ronjones1077

I worked with the BLM fire fighting teams a few summers 1968-1971. We had PB4Y2’s,B17’s, Grumman Goose, P51 two place spotter, various choppers ( I was on hellitack 1 year).

@DragerPilot

I consider myself a knowledgeable person on most things in the aviation world. I am also an old baby boomer having grown up around WWII aviators, including my father who was a C-47 and then a B-25 bomber pilot. As such I believed I knew every WWII era aircraft, of both the Army Air Corp and the Navy. I had never seen or heard of the Privateer. I find it to be a truly fascinating aircraft. It was obviously a very capable airplane worthy to be well known for its service and contributions. Thank you so much for this very informative documentary video.

@jeffpotipco736

Consolidated became Convair . Convair became part of General Dynamics.

@JeepWrangler1957

The high wing of the B-24 were not as sturdy as the lower wings of the B-17 and were known to collapse if there was enough damage. But they were faster than the 17 because there were no rivets to slow air speed and the internal bomb bay doors rolled up into the plane thereby not affecting it's speed.