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The Perfect Fit presents Joel Buhr Big Data Marketing Pro 2023-05

The Perfect Fit presents Joel Buhr (Booer) Found er & CEO of First Direct Marketing Inc. Source of the self titled Apple Podcast. [May 2023] Find Joel at https://joelbuhr.com/ 10X Joel is an Always Selling, constantly closing, Sales Professional. From Door to Door, to Telemarketing, to omni-channel marketing automation, Joel has done it ALL - and can help your business #GoPro as well. The Perfect Fit Theory is about FINDING+CONNECTING and SYNCHRONIZING with their GOALS. As Sales Professionals MOVING clients beyond FEAR and into ACTION is the goal. Remaining Top-Of-Mind for the eventual transaction -the Challenge! #ExpectMyCall a mobile task and relationship scheduling tool was created to implement The Perfect Fit Theory. Grab more information here: https://expectmycall.info/ We Don't Need More Money, we need MORE PEOPLE. Shaking hands, connecting, when you are Ready, I will be here. Until then I will be FollowingUP. Are you a Commercial Real Estate Professional that would like a higher volume of qualified leads? I can help, schedule a brief strategy call to learn more here : https://agentstrategycall.com/ Are you Currently a REALTOR, not sure if you are in the right brokerage? or Intrigued with Real Estate, not sure about becoming a FULL TIME Agent, let's talk about the #exprealty referral division...This is the Lowest Impact way to build a Real Estate Business to retire from your 9-5 JOB. The new EXP Referal Division is a vehicle that will allow MANY folks that KNOW how lucrative Real Estate can be - become productive without the overheads or even uncertainty of Commission only Life. (at least until you are ready for that Lifestyle) #edhooksjr #realestate Brand Building is a key to success in the Modern Real Estate culture. The production is coming to the best business partners within the fastest growing Brokerage in the World. We are motivated to help YOU succeed and EXPi will pay us for investing in your business. Register for a free ATTRACTION MARKETING training here: https://secretagenttosixfigure.com/ Reach out today, to the person that shared this with you or EdHooksJr for more information and an interview for the most productive group on the planet. See What Ed is up to here: https://taplink.cc/edhooksjr If you want to discuss YOUR real estate vision for any of the following markets, we have local expertise for you. #louisianarealestate #tennesseerealestate #coloradorealestateagent #floridarealestateagent

Edward Hooks

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Ed Hooks Jr: Welcome back to the perfect fit presents. I'm happy to have Mr. Joel Buhr friend from clubhouse, a 10x partner also, I believe direct marketing is the way of the future, I believe. And we're going to learn why with Joel right now. Good morning. Thanks. Thanks for carving out some time for me. I know you're you're you're on your way through town. This is a hotel setup is not your home studio and all that. So I appreciate your flexibility. And I look forward to seeing for the snooze m
attress franchise rollout. Is that going to be the first outlet for them outside of Puebla? Joel Buhr: No, it's not actually no, they actually have four other locations, or no three, three other locations. And they got probably another 25 to 30 slated in the queue. So they're rolling fast, Ed Hooks Jr: right on. And first, direct marketing is helping them with all the important stuff, I'm sure Joel Buhr: first direct solar first direct comes into play is we come into play, helping them with buil
ding the strategy, understanding the market better, and then executing that strategy on the data that we put together for them to help them to grow and succeed in their business. Ed Hooks Jr: Right on, I got one question I need to ask you, Joel, you're a sales professional. You're a marketing professional? Have I've seen you a action around different places, you know, not the least of which is your your Instagram stream on in mind, and I appreciate your contributions to my life. I got to ask you
, what was the most proud moment in your evolution from amateur to professional sales? Joel Buhr: If I were to look back, I would say one of the one of the most memorable moments like just like some pivot points and says, There was a really, really big deal that I was working on with Assurant group, which is an insurance company. So if you got cell phone, you probably may be a part of a short group and, and was working with on that data licensing deal. You know, it was something that took took p
robably about three to four years to get to fruition, but it's just that was a pivot point. So it's not not probably one of the most memorable deals that I've done. The def is one of those ones that along the journey, it was it would help me help me kept keep alignment of where I wanted to go. Ed Hooks Jr: So what was the path to get to opening up First Direct Marketing? Joel Buhr: You know, I think it's only fair to say it's like the path of sales started when I was a young kid. You know, if we
, we were we were raised, we didn't have much at all we were we were low income, we were you know, there was not extra money for anything. So if me and my brother wanted anything, we had to go earn the money to get it. So we started everything from a mowing business to Curb Painting Business to so shoveling to you know, all those different types of activities. Finally, teenage years, working for a telemarketing company. And you know, this this thing sales man, I loved it, I was getting commissio
n right as I can increase what I was making per hour, and I controlled what I earned. And so that opened the door of how can I how can I go bigger, right. And that was a it was an exciting journey there. I worked on a number of different consumer projects on that in the telemarketing space from US West sprint, a number of others, but then that was on one program for Occidental Petroleum mc squared, it was a b2b program, when natural gas got deregulated in the Chicago, New England market. And I e
nded up getting flown it like 18 years of age, end up getting flown back and forth to Chicago to actually work in the street, you know, door to door in businesses selling natural gas, you know, sign up. And so I mean, I was I was hooked. And that led me to where I'm at right now. Just simply because when I got back, I had a good friend. He's like, he's like, Hey, let's go let's go work for American business information that we'll be doing sales anyway, we'll be on the phone, we'll make more mone
y, the online site, you know, your your 18 1818 Was it mattered, right? So you know, you know, that's, you know, making more money sounds good, right. So I went over there. He's actually named my brother in law so I've ended up marrying this is my best friend and and that was well over as back in the mid 90s. And you know, from from there the rest is kind of history. I went from ABI was a compiler of data. And then I went to work for brokers of data. And then in 2005, I started first direct. Ed
Hooks Jr: WOW another fearless door to door salesman be made No, Barbara Majeski in the clubhouse, she was a fearless door to door knocker as well. And yeah, it's I mean, however you can get it the, the some will, some won't. So, I mean, you got to find your people, I strongly believe that that about 20% of the population would do business with me and only with me, as long as I'm in business, selling real estate, for example, but I gotta find them, I just gotta get out and find them. And face to
face is the fastest curious connection for sure. Personal is the most powerful. Yeah, but having said that, it doesn't scale. So to scale, we need guys like Joel at first direct, I really believe that there's been some shake up, and a lot of noise gets created. And I'd like to get your perspective on what is third party data and first party data within your space. And with respect to Google, or Facebook, and all the rest of those guys, what's the real plan of attack going forward? Joel Buhr: Ri
ght? Well, so first, first party data always means it's the data that you created, that it's your data, right? It's you own that data. third party data is any data that you're acquiring elsewhere, right? And it's not your data. And but you're using it, so I bought a list, I bought a list from some data broker like me, so that that could be third, that's third party data. Now, you can use third party data to create, you know, create your first party data, right. And that's, you know, it's where t
he big changes in the shake up is because of misuse of data, right data is a very, very powerful thing. Just like just like anything that man creates, if it's used the wrong way, it causes problems. Right? So data is the same way. There's always new ways, though, at the end of the day, we're always still selling to people. And we need to find ways to connect with people. And data is one of those powerful fuel items that help in business to connect with people and connect with people at scale. An
d also know more about how to connect, right? So if you if you understand more about, hey, where are your customers are, what similarities they have, or these prospects that have to your best customers? Well, that helps you to target your marketing be more efficient on spending your advertising dollar. And if you're more efficient on spending your advertising dollar, number one the consumer, whether it's on a you're selling business programs, or consumer programs, or services or products, the co
nsumer has a much more enjoyable experience. Frankly, when that that message is relatable to them, it corresponds with them. Right? So data is a pretty powerful thing. But as far as privacy and third party data, those types of things. You know, I'm a big believer in the privacy and privacy, right. In recent recent months, over the last couple of years, more and more states have rolled out privacy regulations regarding data, Colorado being one of them just recently. Right. So they're they're givi
ng the consumer the right to know more about what's going on and control their privacy. Now, that's all well and good. And I'm a big proponent of because I think that that should be always respected. However, what a consumer always needs to understand is they are giving their data every time they turn it around, right? So this this little thing that we have, that's our black box that we carry with us, you know, you want it to provide a certain feature for you, while the developer has every right
to ask that in exchange for the feature. Right? They want to give you what the feature, they want the data and data they're going to use in a few different ways. If you don't like how they're going to use it, your only choice is simply this find another app. Right? Shut it off. Yeah, find another app, you know. So now, some people may say, well, that's just not fair. But, you know, if the roles were reversed, what would you want? Right? And if you were actually running the business, the the the
perspective, a lot of times these laws get put into place is you have somebody that doesn't understand what why is the data being captured? Why is it being used this way? What are the protection guards currently in place? How is it you know, how is it being guarded? Is it really an impact? Where is the consumer, you know, aimlessly just you know, submitting their data left and right. Ed Hooks Jr: Sure, and it's got it so it's got a privacy, it's got to be a two way street. And I have to manage
the value proposition for myself to open that app and give Google all my information, my locations, my movements, or whatever, for the ability to safely and efficiently navigate my way across town or, or not, right, I can go I can still go by a map. Um, Joel Buhr: yeah. If you don't want to use the map services is right there, there you go there, it's, you know, there's some things, it's like, hey, you know, they're gonna use it for average. And they clearly out, you know, right now it's what's
really nice. Here's what I think that that they've done nicely is like on iOS and Android, is this much more clear to the consumer, hey, this ask is app and you know, asking to track your location, and it's going to be used for advertising purposes. Right? You want to allow it? You know, your choice, right? Ed Hooks Jr: That's right. How am I here learn about stuff. So on the ala carte of options for marketing, as I, as I have said in the past, I'm going to keep championing up and in fact, I'm g
oing to come up with a webinar, if you do not develop a personal brand, as a real estate agent, as an insurance agent as a solopreneur. If you do not develop a personal brand, and five to 10 years, your business is going to be really, really important. If it's not today already. The right well, Joel Buhr: that's, I don't think it's a it's a new thing, that you need a personal brand. Right. The always the people that have accelerated have developed a brand, a business brand and a personal brand.
Ed Hooks Jr: Yeah. So let me let me expand that you're 100%. Right. I mean, beyond having my face in the shopping cart at the grocery store. Right, right. I need to, I need to be able to get into bedroom at 10 o'clock at night, whenever they're scrolling. You know, that's, that's, that's where my customers need to find me. Not because I want to be awakened at 10 o'clock in their bedroom. I'm not creepy like that. I'm not politics yet. But that's, you know, that's, that's leverage and scale, righ
t? Whenever I can have people interacting, consuming my content at their convenience and not mine, right or not? Once a week in the shopping cart, basket or whatever. So we need to develop a personal brand. What are some tips? That one? Why is first directs opportunity for access to third party lists or for targeted advertising? Has that differentiate from a Facebook ad or a Google Pay Per Click thing? Joel Buhr: I appreciate that question. It's a solid question. So what first rec does, we are a
marketing agency. And we help companies identify the right data, insights and solutions to empower their growth and success. And so what we do differently, so you can you can easily go to Facebook and just simply boost a post or try to run an ad and use Facebook's data to do that, where first direct comes into play as we help clients more intelligently target their market, we're able to push in unique data to you that's used for targeting. You know, for example, you got a picture of Ed Hooks Jr
: Facebook is a pin and a diameter. That's all the targeting I get with face. Joel Buhr: So so let's let's just use this as an example. It says like your you got that that airport picture behind you the ramp picture behind you. And you know, let's just face it, anybody that's sitting in those planes has money, if they're sitting in the planes, even the pilots, right, they can influence money. So if you if you are somebody that's selling something, so let's say for example, you are a real estate
agent in a more remote area, but all the time you got planes like this coming in and out all the time. Well, what do you think they're full of there's full of probably business owners that are you know, that are either on their pitstop on the way through the country, right? Or, you know, for for some other reason, well, if you want to move real estate in your area, they need to know who you are, is that simple. And so for example, we can use big data technologies that help us create geo frames o
n that ramp. And we can pull historical data of the devices that were sitting in those planes, if they've given their permission, right, this is where the privacy is, is great. If if they haven't, then we're not going to see him. But if they've given them permission, and they're active on their phone, and that geolocation pops them right there, we can grab that audience. So simply put, just think of it like, you know, we're putting them in the bucket of the audience that now you're going to use
on Facebook. So now you're only going to serve ads to anything that's in this bucket, nothing else, all the other noise you're not going to spend the money on. It's going to it's going to do that. So that's how we help clients target more intelligently and use their budgets more efficiently when you're using data. So we always start with a client. We always start with data first data first we want to understand the audience and we want to help them to understand that audience better as well. So
the big changes, I think that are really going to impact personal branding here, too, is number one, yeah, you gotta have it. You do have to develop a brand. What are you known for? It's got to be really concise. And then, I mean, you need to shout it from the rooftops? Because if you're, if your brand is that powerful, right? Are you believe it's that powerful that everyone should know about it, or definitely first your audience that can buy from you should know about it. And if you use data th
e right way, then they're going to feel like you're everywhere. Right, you're gonna, you're popping on their Facebook, you're popping on the inside, you're popping into LinkedIn, you're popping on, you know, all those different places. So if you use data the right way, it can be very, very impactful. What's going to change, I think, for a lot of businesses and entrepreneurs, is just there's more noise with technology, more opportunities to create noise are easier now. So more people are making n
oise. Now you have to fight more against it to get the noise out. Right? Whereas, you know, for example, driving down the interstate, you see billboards, billboards used to be, you know, a paper, right, they had to put new paper up, if the billboard was gonna change, they had to get out there, change the billboard, that takes time. Right? Ed Hooks Jr: It was also limited real estate. Yeah, you had less opportunity for noise. Right? Not that many. Right. Joel Buhr: Right. So So now though, if you
think about it, right, is now with a digital billboards, for example, just using that as an example. If you have your face on the Billboard, in the next net, the very next day, I can have my face there, and all it takes is a little bit of programming, right? And done. So now you gotta be willing to fight against that, you know, and buy that inventory, that inventory does cost money. So, you know, when companies do get started, it's like, you gotta you gotta be willing to invest in developing th
at brand. Ed Hooks Jr: Does dip into cost just a little bit? What are the major hurdles? So I do believe 100%, that if you can establish a cost per customer identified, and it pencils out, then why don't you just spend as much as you possibly can and get all the customers? Joel Buhr: Well, so. So a lot of times what we encounter too is is you have somebody that says, Well, okay, well, the cost per acquisition is is is x, but that what they're looking at is only that first sale, right? So some of
the things to keep in mind would be, you know, if, for example, in real estate, you're looking for that person that's ready to do a $5 million deal. Yeah, I guess that's all I want. I want those people. Right. Okay. Ed Hooks Jr: That's, that's a scarcity mindset. I'm in abundance. I mean, I did, I did do a Facebook focused thing last year. And I've looked at all the numbers, the cost of setting up the software with the CRM, the cost of the interface between the ad manager, which I hate, and Fac
ebook, its worst software on Earth. And then the ad spend on a monthly basis as I as I had throttle it, and I know how much it cost and looking at all of the deals that I did over the last year. Right? That was probably that was accomplished probably 80% of my sales last year. So I do understand how the math works. I do understand that when I when I spend more money I can get more customers acquired. Helped me help me over the fear of going direct, Joel Buhr: right. So so in marketing, right mar
keting, there's all these different things. Some of these tools have been around since the longest of time, right. And some of them are more or more recent tools. Digital Advertising is a more recent tool, right for for acquiring customers, before that email marketing before that SMS, fax broadcasting, right those types of things, and direct mail and it's been a it's been a mainstay, well, now fax broadcasting is kind of out. I don't see that as a comeback at all, because fax machines are kind o
f dead. But all of these different things are simply tools in a toolbox if you think about it, right so that you can get them to work in concert together, you can actually increase the overall value of your of your prospect. You're going to increase what they spend with you. If you're a brick and mortar store, you will increase what they spend with you if you're touching them on on digital ads here as well as you're hitting them in your mailbox. And then you're also touching them with email and
those types of things. You're going to increase your actual return on return on adspend they're going to spend more with you have a high happier experience all those different things. So the Ed Hooks Jr: first direct at first direct y'all you guys you got how many of those facets or aspects are you hitting? Are you hitting all of them? Joel Buhr: So yeah, first direct as an as a marketing agency, we help companies develop a complete omni channel strategy. Because data is at the center of what we
're doing, we can help them bridge from direct mail, to digital to TV to all those different, you know, those positions. And that's, that's important. However, one thing to get back to real quick, as far as lead acquisition is, a lot of times, you know, if you're trying to sell I'm using the phone as a good example, you know, this is a, you know, what, 1212 to $1,400 product, right? The more zeros you add, the more it's gonna cost to acquire that that particular lead. So if if for some reason, n
ow, obviously, you know, I wouldn't have bought the air pods if I hadn't bought the iPhone, those types of things. And so there's, there's a few things to think about for business owners when they're doing marketing, right? Is, is there a lead magnet, something I can get them to get ahead of time that they would they would grab as they're part of their journey to buy the more expensive product? And I want them to buy the more expensive product? Yes. But if I could nurture the person that bought
this into buying that, right, that lead acquisition is going to be lower most likely for this? Right? So it's a lot of times it's, it's we got to pause. So anybody that's an entrepreneur, a business owner, whatever, think about who your customers are, and what their journey is coming to you. Right? What were the decisions they were making that made them eventually buy your product or service makes perfect sense Ed Hooks Jr: I'm tracking. So unfortunately, that that particular example, you don't
buy the earpods, if you don't have something to use them with, but that's true, that's true, what you're saying is actually it's more appropriate than the iPhone example, that you can get them in on some pain point, then, then that will add your your know like and trust ability, and then you can move on to bigger and better things like that wrench. Joel Buhr: Well, it's not just that it's this, okay? Companies, when companies get bought, they don't get bought, typically, for always the product o
r service that they're being that they're producing, they get bought for their list. If for example, as a real estate agent, what you're trying to get is more people to buy homes from you. Well, are majority of those a year or two ago where they renter's apartment renters, right. All right, advertise to the apartment renters, there's more of them. Right, start the journey early so that they know who you are, and give them something that they will exchange their name and their email or their phon
e number for now nurture that list. Like that's, that's that's what we're talking about. So it's, you know, then there'll be willing or able, if they were, for example, living in, in the apartment complex, A versus B, which was more high end, right, that A was more high end, you know, and you're trying to sell high end houses. Well, those high end renters typically might migrate to the high end houses. Right? So advertise to those people, Ed Hooks Jr: my real estate market could shift this Frida
y night with some action that happens in a ballroom in Washington, DC, right? I just saw, or, or Wall Street, they could just turn our world upside down this Friday night. So you need to be always thinking for sure. Right, before we wrap up our main segment here, I really appreciate the insights and the knowledge and skills you have a cafe list of all sorts of data, you can bring it all together. In one stop. You guys did you guys do do creative as well as pulling data together and spraying it o
ut across the airwaves? Joel Buhr: Apps? Absolutely. So again, the main areas that we help clients with is the data side. So understanding that could be as simple as you need a list, right? You need a list of make some phone calls, sides to understand more about your market and your existing clients. And then execution. So that includes creative services, print and mail, digital, all of those different services all Ed Hooks Jr: in one. Okay. And you guys are headquartered in Nebraska. So does th
at mean like the all the costs for all your services are not like New York City or Philadelphia lawyers? Well, Joel Buhr: you know what we we charged appropriate fair value for the services we render right on if it wasn't going to be worth it, you wouldn't spend the money with us. Ed Hooks Jr: Amen to that. So, Joel, you can find on the internet. Joe bird.com Joel Buhr: There we go. I just I just heard you as a visitor pop on my site. Ed Hooks Jr: What's your Instagram handle Joe? Joel Buhr: My
Instagram handle is Joel dot Biewer. But if they go to first direct marketing.com They're going to find all of the different ways to also follow us and sign up for our vibe newsletter. We, we put out a lot of good content to help business owners make decisions, learn about marketing, be empowered, get something that's, that's beneficial that they can put into action and understand more about how to grow and scale their business. Ed Hooks Jr: That's awesome. I really appreciate you carving out ti
me for me this week and your schedule. I look forward to seeing you guys over at this news. grand opening. And awesome 10x, man. Joel Buhr: Absolutely. Come Come get pressure, Matt that yeah, definitely come get pressure mapped and get the perfect sleep going. Ed Hooks Jr: I'm orphaning stress and drama, so I have no pressure. Okay. Sounds good. For anybody that hangs out further, Joel and I are gonna roll into an after party. I'm gonna ask him about general aviation and maybe some top secret st
uff that he's doing for for real estate in his data land. So thanks again, Joel. I really appreciate you. I look forward to seeing you soon. You bet. We're gonna roll into the after party. Now. As I said earlier, I will chop this up. Tell me about Captain Joel. Of I've seen you in the light aircraft. When you start flying, what are you flying? Joel Buhr: When you say captain? I mean, I mean, there's there's I could I could be called a captain in two different ways that I'm a certified boat capta
in to Oh, right on. So I just got that here actually, in the last six months. But no, just for general aviation. I'm a private pilot. So the the planes I fly right now are Piper arrows and Cessnas. So it's mainly, you know, single engine land. Yep, single engine land. That's all I'm rated for right now. So still got to work on getting the instrument rating. But it's, you know, what I've been, I've been focused on business scale and those types of things lately. So that's kind of taken a little b
it out of my, my flying time. Ed Hooks Jr: Sure. Well, hopefully, we'll get a lot more flying time soon, your business is going to be wrapping up because we need you. We need you. We need your data. We need you. So. So that's that you had mentioned to me the other day that you've got a top secret realtor program you're trying to put together? Can you share any insights with me on that? Joel Buhr: Well, it's whenever I make applications is not always for just one specific industry. So we're worki
ng on some tools that will be beneficial for real estate, the real estate market as well as many other markets, right? And it's just simply it's again, access to data in such a way that is going to help you grow and succeed. Right? So it, it's, it's trying to figure out, you know, hey, what's a better, you know, there might be many different tools out there. But just because somebody else already has a tool out there doesn't mean I can't make a tool that, that people would, you know, want to use
because of something I do differently in it. So we're just just we're trying to incorporate the surgence of AI into into the process, and make it so that it's, it's something that, again, helps businesses grow and succeed. That's our mission, for first direct, is to do that for 100,000 businesses, and I can't do that if I don't continually try to look for ways to help them do it. Ed Hooks Jr: So where does Where does AI fit into into the marketing campaigns? Is it automated email responses? Or
is it is it better use of the data sets that you actually have on board that Facebook and Google will not give me access to for pay per click? Joel Buhr: Well, so I mean, AI fits into a number of different areas in marketing. And you know, there's, there's artificial intelligence that's used for bidding engines, when we serve display ads. To, you know, if it was looking at you and I as an opportunity to serve an ad to, it's going to try to identify which one of us is more likely to take the acti
on desire that is to click or watch a video all the way through. And so instead of serving it to both of us, it's going to serve it to the one that's most likely to to actually respond to that. So that's where that's where artificial intelligence is definitely feeding into the the the marketing space or the data space in that regards to, but also to identifying patterns and behaviors. You know, the models to identify someone's behavioral pattern is much, much more, much more exact than it was ye
ars ago with some of the segmentation products that were available in the 80s and 90s. Ed Hooks Jr: Is that off the shelf software is that stuff that you're proprietarily developing for yourself? Joel Buhr: So the stuff that we're developing, it'd be it's 100% proprietary, that we're developing Right on. Ed Hooks Jr: But many, many, many people, I think, think when they hear AI now they're all I mean, I don't know how many different ways we'll be able to access chat GPT. But it seems like there'
s a new one or two every day being marketed as Oh, I got it. We're partnered with open AI. Well, who the hell is not partnered with a open AI that has AI anywhere in there? Yeah, Joel Buhr: they're doing is they're, they're just writing off of the current hype. That's it. So some of that some of these folks are not making, you know, all it is, is a, the open AI with just one small tweak as a preset, right, as a preset parameter for the interaction. And that's all it's doing. You know, so, you kn
ow, you know, but hey, that one little small tweak could be very valuable, right. And there's also ways for companies to develop some of their own machine learning and their own models. And so that's definitely something that, that businesses will will benefit from more and more. Is it something that's going to dynamically affect the marketplace? I think I think it'll affect it pretty strongly. However, at the same time, I think I think over fretting about it is also not productive. You know, so
, Ed Hooks Jr: yeah. Fear, nothing, fear nothing. Joel Buhr: Some still rose this morning, you know, it came out of the out of the out of the right side this morning. It Ed Hooks Jr: definitely did. And, okay. God in the universe has far more to do with my future than then than anything. Man is going to unpledged to have a renaissance instead of a recession. So we're going to skip this recession. There you go. That's the plan. And it's, you know, it's not like it was a lot less work last year, b
ut I avoided the recession last year. So that's why it is. Yeah. Right. On any, Joel Buhr: any you can choose to participate. Simple as that. Ed Hooks Jr: Yeah, exactly. Well, not fret about it. Fear, fear or faith, I believe are mutually exclusive. Well, fear. Can't live in fear. Fear should make you move. Act. Joel Buhr: Fear. Fear is, you know, false expectations Appearing Real. Right. So, Ed Hooks Jr: feeling excited and ready. Joel Buhr: Oh, I never heard of that one. feeling excited and re
ady. That would be the more appropriate angle of fear. Right, right. It Ed Hooks Jr: should move you too. It should. It should. It should provoke. Yeah, get out of the fire. Get off the stove. Joel Buhr: Yeah, exactly. So, you know, it's one of those things like a lot of times, I'll ask myself, like, hey, how does this make me feel? And if it makes me feel like I want to hesitate? But I know it's not bad. But I want to hesitate. Right? That's when I usually know it's something I need to lean int
o. Yeah, so Ed Hooks Jr: right on. Well, it's been fun. I want to ask you, is there any, any topics that you that you'd like to to end on? That we haven't gotten into or something we didn't get in deep enough? Joel Buhr: Oh, man. Well, there's there's tons of topics that we can go into. I mean, I mean, it's Ed Hooks Jr: what's what's on your what's on your heart this morning that you need to get out? Joel Buhr: Oh, man, it's right now. It's just it's just simply the the, the innocent necessity o
f a business owner to always pivot. Right. Yeah. And and that's, that's, that's the main thing. I think that's the that's a true thing, no matter what, right? You always have variables that you could don't expect, you have things you have to adapt with. You know, communication is a critical thing within that whole chain of things. When working with clients, because you're, you know, as a, as a business owner, you if you have employees, you depend on upon those employees that providing the final
deliverables for clients. And when when unforeseen occurrences, so the scriptures talk about unforeseen occurrences, but follow all one of those unforeseen occurrences before it's like the only way that we can offset off of that is by making sure that we communicate, you know, communication is is a big problem solver. So if we can solve the problem, and it's it's, that's how you handle it. So that's number that's Ed Hooks Jr: probably second only to that, Joel, I believe is I believe in radical
responsibility. And radical responsibility is not jumping up and say I apologize and then go on about my life. Like the political perspective is on apologies, but radical responsibility is I'm going to take responsibility for fixing this current situation, no matter what it is, and who caused it. Joel Buhr: Right. I think there's, I think there's an importance there. You know, when we talked about taking responsibility, there is an importance there of taking responsibility and move Moving on, ri
ght? Sometimes fixed human. Well fix it. Sometimes there's no fixing that one thing, right? Sometimes the fix if we if we really want to get down to it, sometimes the fix is, frankly that that person needs to acknowledge they screwed up. That's it. And apologize. Genuinely. Yeah, I didn't say I didn't. Ed Hooks Jr: I wouldn't even insinuate that the beatings will continue until morale improves. Yeah. Right. Or quality or quality reaches 100%. Joel Buhr: Actually, hey, that that beatings, by the
way, that phrase is not a, that's a sailing phrase. Just as a side note, if you research it, I believe it. It's a sailing phrase, it's, it's you're beating the wind, the beans will tell you no, no, there you go. Anyway. So, you know, but actually, that's an interesting topic, though. And just in general, though, because a lot of times we as human beings want to freeze other people in time. Right. So, you know, I say one thing, and you take what I said a certain way, but it's not what I meant. Ho
wever, You never let me explain it further. Or prove different otherwise, you still have it locked in your head? Ed Hooks Jr: Well, sure, based on my based on my experiences, I create a frame for that notion. Joel Buhr: Exactly. Right. So so a lot of times you know, you spoke at the opening you know, we talked with we were we were both on clubhouse and stuff like that. I think that's how we met even to but in clubhouse you have people that will sit there and say this, that or the other about som
ebody, and they will lock that in time. Right? And you see how not just clubhouse but you see how on any other any other interaction with human beings like when we do that. We don't allow for progress. You know, we're expecting perfection out of somebody, when we wouldn't expect them to expect the same out of us and then not a single one of us are perfect yet. Ed Hooks Jr: And nor will we be it kind of frustrates Donna my wife from time to time, but for a long time, I have abdicated from being r
esponsible for my adult children. It's like, God has put them on a path. And it's not my place to make them do what path I want for them. It's we're all on our own mission. Every one of us walk into planet. We're perfect in our own way. We're all works in progress for ever. You know, only the good die young. So I'll be around for a minute. There you go. There you go. I really appreciate you brother and I look forward to seeing you later Joel Buhr: this afternoon.

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