Ashley: It's hard to label a person
with a term that didn't exist until centuries after his death. But that doesn't stop
the internet from trying. Search for lists of famous
asexuals from history and you are bound to run into Isaac Newton. You know, the guy with the apple. Newton actually did way more
than come up with a theory of gravity and the laws of motion. He also developed essential
theories of calculus. He invented the telescope. He's the one who theorized
that white light was made up of
every color of the rainbow. Without him, we wouldn't have that Pink
Floyd album cover and the walls of college dorm rooms would be all the lesser for it. He did a lot of things in his
life, but he didn't do everything. If you see where I'm going with this. It's said that on his deathbed
at age 84, he admitted that he had never had sex with a woman. Now that leaves room
for some interpretation. Maybe he'd had sex with men. But if you look at his life,
there's a good chance that he never had sex
with anybody. He was really busy making
groundbreaking discoveries and he kind of kept to himself. In fact, aside from a male roommate
situation that most likely was not sexual and later a long period living
with his niece and her husband, most of his social interactions, where him
picking fights with other intellectuals. He would have loved Twitter. What's interesting is how our
interpretation of Newton's orientation has changed. See, several biographers of
Newton have suggested he was gay. But
those biographies were written
decades ago and times are changing. Today, the internet is full of people
claiming that he was probably asexual. Not only did asexuality not exist
as a concept when Newton was alive, it barely existed in the 1980s. Even now it's a niche concept. There's a good chance you
haven't even heard of it. But you should. Because asexuality pushes the
boundaries of what most people think they know about how attraction works. Like Newton's prism. It breaks attraction up into
every color of the rainbow. And it might even make you learn
something new about yourself. I'm Ashley Hamer and
this is Taboo Science. The podcast that answers the
questions you're not allowed to ask. Asexuality is such a niche concept that
there's very little research into it. But lucky for me, I found someone
who is studying it scientifically. Canton Winer: Well, my Name is Canton
Winer and I'm a sociology PhD candidate at the University of California Irvine. Specifically I study the relation
ships
between gender and sexuality, and lately I've been studying asexuality,
which is an umbrella term and a spectrum that refers to people who
experience low or no sexual attraction. The work that I'm doing right
now is part of my dissertation. Hopefully I'm done with that in May
and moving on in into the world. So I'll check back in with you. But I, I've done 77 interviews with people
on the asexuality spectrum, and along with that I did a digital ethnography where
basically I find myself in
teracting a lot with asexual people online, whether
that's on Twitter, on AVEN, or other asexuality centric spaces like subreddits,
for example, that focus on asexuality. Ashley: We'll get to the importance of
AVEN or the Asexuality Visibility and Education Network later on in the episode. So asexuality refers to people who
experience low or no sexual attraction. Sounds simple. If a little surprising. But that simple definition, belies
a really complex set of identities. Canton Winer: Typically
I think
when people hear asexuality they think, well, first of all, they've
probably never heard of it at all. But if they have, I think they're
likely to assume it means that's someone who doesn't experience
any sexual attraction at all. And for some asexual people,
that is very much the case. Ashley: Some asexual
people like Sarah Costello. She's the co-host of the podcast Sounds
Fake, But Okay, and most recently co-author of the book of the same name. The podcast looks at love, relationships,
and sexuality through the lens of asexuality and a romanticism. And Sarah identifies as a
romantic asexual or aro-ace. Sarah Costello: So I don't experience
romantic attraction to any people of any gender, and I don't experience sexual
attraction to any people of any gender. I am the type of aro-ace person who's
not interested in like, pursuing romance or sex anyway, because
some people are like, that's still something they want, even if they
don't feel the attraction necessarily. Uh, but for m
e, that's just like
something I'm not interested in. So I'm, I'm just, you know, vibing. Single, single for ever. Ashley: But you can certainly
be a sexual and still feel some amount of sexual attraction. Canton Winer: For many people on the
spectrum, they actually do experience sexual attraction, but it might
be just at very low levels or in very context dependent situations. So the term demisexuality is often used
to refer to that type of experience. Ashley: Demisexuality refers to a lack
of s
exual attraction to anyone you don't have a strong, emotional connection with. It's different than waiting to have
sex until you have a deep bond with someone, since in that case, most
people feel a sexual attraction, but just hold off on having sex. Demisexuals feel very little or no
sexual attraction to anyone until they've formed a strong emotional
connection with someone, which is the only time they feel sexual attraction. That's why demisexuality lands
squarely on the asexuality spectrum. C
anton Winer: There's a
ton of variety, right? Both in how people experience attraction
and on what people's sexual activity is like, what their relationships are like,
whether they experience other types of attraction such as romantic attraction. And it's really exciting. It, it's these very different ways of
thinking about sexuality than I think most people are used to, but they're
really useful even for people like me who don't fall on the asexuality spectrum. Ashley: One of the most useful
co
ncepts I've learned while making this episode is the split attraction model. This basically says there's
no one type of attraction. You can be sexually attracted
to someone without being romantically attracted to them. You can be romantically attracted
to someone without being sexually attracted to them. You can be attracted to someone
in all sorts of other ways. Canton Winer: There's sexual
attraction, but also romantic attraction, platonic attraction, Ashley: That's an interest in
being friend
s with someone. Canton Winer: Aesthetic attraction, Ashley: And appreciation
for someone's good looks. Canton Winer: Sensual attraction Ashley: Uh, desire to physically touch or
be close to someone in a non-sexual way. Like cuddling. Canton Winer: We could probably spend
the entire podcast talking about all of the different categories. The reason why the term split is used
here is, is pretty simple actually. It's just to convey this idea
that these various different types of attraction don't ne
cessarily
need to align with one another. Sarah Costello: like as someone for
me who's like an aro-ace person who can still look at someone and be
like, that is a really hot person. I like looking at that person. Like for me, I'm like, oh, that's
like an aesthetic sort of thing. I have always been pretty involved in
like, fandom and, uh, so, you know, seeing other people in the fandom being like, oh
my God, so-and-so person is like, so hot. And I'm like, you know what? I agree. I have no urge to
have sex with them. I have no urge to make out with like
none of those things I'm interested in, but I could just stare at this
photo of them all day and I will. Like seeing like a really
amazing photo of Zendaya. Like people are like, oh my god, I
wanna have sex with her, and I'm like, I just wanna just, I just wanna burn
this into the inside of my eyelids. Learning about the split attraction
model is really just learning that not all attraction is in one big
bucket and it can be separated out
. If you want to view it in one big
bucket, you can, but just accepting that not everyone views it the same way. Ashley: As an allosexual — that's
the word for people who do experience sexual and romantic attraction — I
absolutely understand this concept. There are people that I've
felt anesthetic attraction to, and that's as far as it goes. There are people I've felt a
platonic attraction to, and just really wanted to be their friend. There are people I've felt a
sexual attraction to, because t
hey looked exactly like Michael C. Hall, but they listened to a lot
of Alex Jones and believe 911 was an inside job, so the romantic
attraction just isn't there. But I hope his music career is going well. While asexuality and the split attraction
model are incredibly new as concepts, they describe phenomena that have
been around as long as humans have. And there are scientists who
have described things like asexuality for centuries. Canton Winer: The very famous sexologist,
Magnus Hirschfeld, fo
r example, who's working in Germany at the, the turn of
the century, so like, late 18 hundreds, um, we have notes from him that explains
he's interacting with people who don't really experience sexual attraction. He doesn't use the word asexuality
to describe that, but it's probably what we would call it today. Ashley: Magnus Hirschfeld developed
pioneering theories on sexuality and was one of the first to promote the idea of
trans identities and the gender spectrum. In like 1910. The book burn
ings you've seen
photos of from Nazi Germany? A lot of that was his research. Canton Winer: And then a little bit
later in the 1940s and the 1950s, another sexologist, Alfred Kinsey, which people
might be a little bit more familiar with, he also actually documented people who
did not experience sexual attraction. Ashley: Alfred Kinsey is obviously
famous for the Kinsey Scale, which says that heterosexuality and
homosexuality aren't the only options. Most of us fall somewhere in the middle. Cant
on Winer: But what we talk about
less when we talk about Kinsey is that he also had a category X that just
doesn't fall on that scale at all. And again, he wasn't using the word
asexual to describe these people, but that's probably how many of them
would identify if that language had been available to them at the time. So he did two different studies
actually, one on men, one on women, and he found that about 1% of the men
who he interacted with fell in this category X and almost 20% of women,
which is interesting to say the least. Ashley: That's a statistic that holds up. Men are the minority in
the asexual community. Canton Winer: We do have some data
already, a large scale survey data sets that show women far outpace
men in identifying as asexual. So it tends to be that surveys
find that about 60% of people who identify as asexual also
identify as women, only 10% as men. And then the remaining 20 whatever
percent as something else, right? As non-binary, to put a simple term on it.
So men are outnumbered by all
other gender categories in a sense, which is very interesting. Ashley: Despite the Magnus Hirschfelds
and the Alfred Kinseys of the world, asexuality as a concept didn't really
come about until the rise of the internet. Yeah. Asexuality is newer than the animated GIF. Yes. That's how I say it. Moving on. Canton Winer: So it's
like the late nineties. We really see a, a big consolidation
of, of people who are using this term to describe themselves. In 2001, David Jay
founds the
Asexuality Visibility in Education Network, or AVEN, which continues
to be a really important focal point on the internet for asexual people. The asexual community continues to this
day to be a highly online community, and so when we think about the rise of
asexuality, uh, as something that people are aware of and using as an identity
to understand and explain themselves, we also have to think about the internet. Ashley: Many asexual people go
their whole lives without being able to i
dentify their asexuality. Canton Weiner has written about
how a lot of asexual people start out as identifying as bisexual or
pansexual, just because they feel the same low or non-existent level of
attraction to people of all genders. And often once they discover asexuality
and start identifying that way, they continue to use those earlier labels too. But the internet, and AVEN in
particular, are often the only way they even know asexuality exists. Sarah Costello was lucky
enough to encounter th
e concept of asexuality pretty young. But even she went through a
journey to label herself that way. Sarah Costello: I was a child of the
internet, I was a child of Tumblr, and so I had seen these terms online
when I was in like high school. But I, I didn't identify with them
right away For a while I was like, oh, well maybe I'm like, demisexual,
which falls under the asexual umbrella. But then I was like, no, that's silly. I'm not. I'm not that. You know, when I was in high school, I
challenged
myself a lot academically. I did a lot of sports as I
was just like busy, right? And so a lot of my other
friends were the same way. And so I was just like, I
don't have time to date. And so, on the occasions that someone
might ask me out, I would just like come up with an excuse, and I was just like,
you know, I'm just, I'm too busy for that. Like, whatever, like it, it's not of
interest to me right now, and that's fine. And then I got to college my freshman
year and I started being like, even
if I were a late bloomer, I feel
like it would've happened already. Like I feel like I would've been
interested in sex and romance by now. And so that's when I kind of
returned to those terms that I had heard of years before. Asexual, I was able to kind of
land on that pretty quickly. Aromantic took me a little
bit longer to be sure about. Because like, what is romantic attraction? Like it's all very loosey-goosey. But like, by the end of my freshman
year of college, I had kind of landed on th
ose terms and I was
like, okay, that's where I'm at. And I have been there ever since. Ashley: Something that took me a
long while to wrap my head around for this episode is that many
asexual people still have sex lives. Hell many even masturbate. And that's because, well, I'll let Sarah
recite this honestly brilliant slogan. Sarah Costello: The way you identify
is about attraction, not action. And so you can still enjoy the action of
having sex even if you don't feel sexual attraction to someon
e, because if you
think about it, there's no way everyone on this planet has been sexually attracted
to everyone they've ever had sex with. Like there's just no way. Ashley: That's the truth. Sarah Costello: But you can still have had
a good or a decent time, you know, because it is just a physical thing that you can
do that brings pleasure to some people. You can choose to still have sex. A lot of times if people do experience
romantic attraction and they have a romantic partner and their partn
er is
interested in sex, and they're like, I'm down for it, like they might have
sex with their partner or they might just have sex because it feels good. Like there are so many
reasons to do something. It's just an activity you can do in
the same way that like, you can shake hands with someone, like you can
masturbate, you can have sex with someone. Like, it's just, it's just an activity
that you can do that you might enjoy. Canton Winer: one thing that I quickly
found is that many asexual peop
le are, are really tired of being asked about
their sex habits, including masturbation, which totally makes sense, right? I think it's often the first place
that people who are allosexual or, or not asexual, often gravitate to. But that said, something that I've
learned by doing this research on asexuality is that libido and sexual
attraction and even sexual desire are three different things, right? And so we often use those terms
interchangeably, but there are subtle, but I think important
diff
erences between them. So the reason why, in a nutshell,
many people on the asexuality spectrum do still masturbate, uh,
is related to, to still having a libido, even if you aren't necessarily
experiencing sexual attraction. Ashley: Sex feels good. You don't need to feel sexual
attraction to feel sexual arousal. Sex also works as a release valve,
which is another reason an asexual person might want to do it. Sarah Costello: Like they have the sort
of urge that they feel like they need to get out
of their system, you know? And so that's another reason why someone
might masturbate or have sex with other people, even if they don't experience
attraction, because libido and attraction are not necessarily the same thing. Ashley: But the assumption that
asexual people don't have a sex drive, and worse that they're not
interested in human relationships at all, that can be really harmful. Canton Winer: If we live in a society as
we do, that assumes that everyone does and should experience sexual
attraction. That can cause problems for people
who, although they're asexual, still want to be in a romantic relationship. Right? Many people who are on the asexuality
spectrum still want romantic relationships, and many don't, right? Both experiences are valid and common
in the asexual community, but I think for many it can be really difficult to
date, for example, to find someone else who's going to accept you, as an asexual
person when you're trying to date. And since asexual people make up
only
a very small portion of the entire population, we don't know for sure
what the number is, but it's around 1% is what most people tend to estimate. You can't just rely on dating other
asexual people, especially if you aren't living in a large urban area. So I think intimacy, forming intimate
relationships can be a big challenge, and it's certainly something that
comes up quite often in my interviews. Ashley: is one misconception that
people have that maybe it's it's lonely. Sarah Costello: Y
eah, absolutely. Um, especially for aromantics in
particular, or, when people assume that asexual and aromantic are,
you know, synonymous, they're like, oh, so like, you're like a robot. You don't experience love, and
it's like, that's not true at all. You know? People think that the be all, end all
is like a romantic sexual partner. Like, it's like you gotta find the one. It's so important. There are absolutely people who, once they
find that partner, they're like, I'm done. That's it. And then
they kind of throw their
other friends away and it's like, what are you getting out of that? Like now you just have this one person and
if something goes wrong with that person, or even if you just wanna talk about
something that they don't understand, like having full relationships and
platonic friendships is so important. You don't have to automatically prioritize
your romantic sexual relationships just because they're romantic and sexual. If you look at all your relationships and
you're like
, this is the most important to me, great, sure, that's fine, but it's
about not having an automatic hierarchy. Ashley: Some asexual people, even one
have children and families and some don't. You know, Like the rest of humanity. Sarah Costello: Wanting to have kids
has nothing to do with your sexuality. There are straight people
who don't want kids. There are gay people who do want kids. You know, it's, it not connected at all. Um, but for me, like I had to see that
that was an option and then
I was like, oh yeah, no, I don't want to get married. White picket fence. Like, that's not for me. When it's pushed on to you so much as a
kid, like again, that's why representation and having a robust community is so
important so that people can see like, oh, there are other ways of doing things that
are also totally fine and totally great. Ashley: I don't know about you, but
a lot of this makes sense to me. There are so many cultural norms we just
accept as the way things have to be. And somet
imes it takes people who
don't align with the majority to show that there's another way to do things. That's exactly why Canton wanted to
study asexuality in the first place. Canton Winer: I'm really convinced by
this lesson that black feminist scholars have shown over and over and over again
that when we focus on the margins of society, we, we certainly learn about
the margins themselves, but we also learn a great deal about the center. And so asexuality exists at the margins
of both the hetero
sexual and the queer worlds, making it this really
analytically and theoretically important place for us to focus our attention. So I, I'm looking at the margins
because I think it'll tell us about the margins and we, we don't know
enough about that, but we'll also learn about more central experiences. We'll learn about heterosexuality,
we'll learn about other experiences of queerness. Ashley: But like other experiences
of queerness asexuality can come with its share of discrimination. I mean, w
e already covered the way
it's nearly impossible to even know asexuality exists unless you're in
the right corners of the internet. But even when people do know
about it, Many on the outside. Don't believe it's real. Canton Winer: In my work I asked
people about asexual erasure and what that means, what it looks like, and
people said, well, it means that people assume it's impossible to be asexual. And then I asked well, do you
think that gender influences the way that this happens? And at, at t
his point, many of the
people who are women or their assigned gender at birth is female, they said,
well, yeah, actually, I guess the assumption is like, how does that
make me different from other women? Right? All women experience low sexual desire,
and so what that means is that for men, asexuality is largely erased through
impossibility, and for women, it's largely erased through unremarkability. Which I think also reflects
some very negative cultural frameworks about sexuality, where
we deny
women sexual agency. Ashley: Gosh, and that I can
imagine is a slippery slope. Because if a woman says that she's
asexual and you assume that she's just like every other woman, that means that
you know, maybe she could be convinced to have sex with you eventually. And that is, that gets to
some dangerous territory. Canton Winer: Exactly. It's a window in into
rape culture in a word. Right. It, it shows basically that if
you're assuming that it's not unusual for women to experience low
sexual
desire, but you still feel entitled to having sex with them. What does that tell you
about our attitudes towards sexual agency and consent? It, it's very troubling. Ashley: And women aren't the
only group who gets stuck with these harmful stereotypes. Canton Winer: Many people who are
racialized as people of color say that that racialization makes it harder
in many ways to identify as asexual. And there are various reasons for that. One of them is that many people of color
are basically stereoty
ped as hypersexual. So for example, black people in the
United States, this is a negative demeaning stereotype that many black
people are, are forced to deal with. And when you're framed as being
hypersexual, I think it can make it even less believable sometimes to other
people that you are indeed asexual. Meanwhile, there are other racialized
statuses that have kind of the opposite problem in some ways of being framed
as like absent of being sexually desirable, as hyposexual in a way. Like Asia
n men, for example, in the
United States, are often framed this way. And that can still create challenges
in identifying as asexual because it's like, well, you aren't asexual. That's just normal for people in that
sexual category, which is of course untrue, but very challenging for
people who are members of those groups. Ashley: But what may be worse than
someone saying you don't feel the way you do is someone saying you
shouldn't feel the way you do. There's a diagnostic label in
the diagnosti
c and statistical manual of mental disorders or DSM. Known as hypoactive sexual
desire disorder or HSDD. Psychiatrists use this label to
diagnose asexual people, even though there are specific differences
between asexuality and HSDD. For one, the DSM itself says that
HSDD causes quote, marked distress or interpersonal difficulty, end quote,
which wouldn't apply to asexuals who are happy and just, you know, vibing. And second. Hypoactive sexual desire
disorder is about sexual desire. We've alread
y addressed how
asexuality doesn't necessarily mean a lack of desire or libido. It's just a lack of sexual attraction,
but that doesn't stop psychiatrists from putting asexual people through
some really traumatic stuff. Canton Winer: We live in a social world
that assumes that everyone does and should experience sexual attraction. And so many people in the asexual
community refer to this as like compulsory sexuality, right? That you need to be sexual, you
need to experience sexual attract. and s
o many people who I've spoken with
talk about going to physicians, going to counselors, therapists, and basically
being told that they have a disorder, um, that they're sick and that they have a
problem that needs to be fixed rather than just having a legitimate sexual identity. there's a history of this,
unfortunately, within psychology as a field where, you know, homosexuality
was also deemed a disorder in something that should be fixed. And so asexual people speak about
being subjected to con
version therapy, which I think is surprising to many
people who aren't part of the asexual community where basically, um, they're
having interactions with medical professionals, um, or people in the
psychology field who are trying to cure them more or less of being asexual. Ashley: This is not rare. In a survey of LGBT people in the
UK in 2018, asexual respondents were the most likely of all orientations
to say they had been offered or actually undergone conversion therapy. And yet others on th
e LGBT spectrum
aren't always a good source of support. Sarah Costello: If you have
straight people who are trying to relate to a gay person, they can
say, oh, they're just like me. It's just that they experience that
attraction to someone of the same gender. Whereas when you look at asexuality
and aromanticism, it totally flips people's worlds on its head. And they're like, what do you mean
you don't experience that at all? And so even in like really welcoming queer
communities, I didn't have a
nyone being like, it's totally fine and normal if you
don't experience this attraction at all. Canton Winer: asexual people
exist both at the margins of the heterosexual world and of the queer
world in some very important ways. And so there's this sense that
you don't quite fit within heteronormativity, right? The expectations of what it means to be
a, a quote unquote normal straight person. But you also don't fit a lot of core
assumptions about what it means to belong in, in the queer communi
ty. And I think that can be very
challenging because you have this almost permanent outsider status
no matter what space you're in. Um, and I think particularly for the
queer community, that's a really important thing for us to be thinking about because,
first of all, I, I think that the queer community is one of the best things about
it, to me as a queer person, is it's emphasis on inclusion and diversity. But we're failing to be as inclusive
and to embrace the diversity of queer experiences a
s much as we should
when we aren't making an effort to understand asexual experiences. Ashley: If the stuff in this episode
sounds a lot like your experience and you think you might fall on
the asexual or a romantic spectrum. First of all, I'm kind of honored that
this podcast could do that for you. And I'd love to hear from
you, even if it's anonymously. But second, what the heck
are you supposed to do now? Sarah Costello: It's tough, and I think
the number one thing to tell people is if you ar
e not ready and you don't
think people are ready to hear it, you are not obligated to come out. You do not have to. There are some people who, like,
they know their families will not be accepting and that's, that sucks. It's, it's really rough. But if it's not safe for you to come
out, don't feel like you have to. There are so many other welcoming
communities that you can be a part of. But if you do want to come out and
you do want to explain to the people around you, baby steps I think. They're
not going to completely
understand it the first time. We actually have an episode of our
podcast, it's episode 87, that is basically us giving the TED Talk of
asexuality, that people can use as a resource to be like, okay, here are
the basic things you need to know. Just generally without diving too
much into, like, so do you have sex? Like, what, what? And it's like not, these are not the
questions I wanna be answering right now. But it's something that it can
take time for people to unders
tand and it, that can be really rough. Like if you, if you come out to
someone and they just like, don't get it yet, like, that hurts and that's
not, it's not a fun experience. It is something that people can
learn over time, but it is such a change in the worldview if they
don't know what asexuality is, that, you know, it just takes time. And I was very lucky in that my
parents were like super accepting. My sister was already out, so I never
worried about them being accepting, but they had a l
ot to learn still,
and they had a lot of questions. So it was still a process for
them, even though they were always like, we support you. We don't really know what this
means, but we support you. And if you're lucky enough to have
that experience, that's wonderful. But, even with people who are
like so welcoming, it often takes them time to really absorb it. And that sucks, but it is what it is. And you can really just kind of arm
them with resources and the stories of other people so that yo
u can, show
them how being aspec can lead to like a really fulfilling and lovely life. Once they get that, then they
can be like, you know what? Yeah. Cool. Great. That's you. Big, thanks to Canton
Winer and Sarah Costello. You can follow Canton on Twitter
@CantonWiner and find his research through the links in the show notes. Sarah's podcast is Sounds Fake, But Okay. And her new book is Sounds Fake,
But Okay: An Asexual and Aromantic Perspective on Love, Relationships,
Sex, and Pretty Much An
ything Else. There's also a link to
that in the show notes. Taboo Science is written and
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Comments
"no, that's silly, I'm not that." and "I don't have time to date." "I'm just too busy right now" I have had all those exact thoughts too. and it wasn't until my 30s that I even found the words to express how I felt, and I still gaslight myself sometimes. this video really makes me feel seen.
Thank you for making this video. Spreading factual information about asexuality is so so so important for those who do not know they are asexual or those who are questioning. A lot of people can be saved from a lot of unnecessary trauma if resources like this are made avaliable and easy to find. <3
That 20% of women - does make me think about all the women who in previous generations got landed with a diagnosis of being 'frigid'
As a demi (ace spec), I just want to say thank you for contributing to growing education and awareness for our marginalised niche community 😊 We're so often judged, misunderstood, erased, invalidated and dismissed both within the broader queer community and from the outside. It really hurts. It's challenging navigating relationships in a society that places so much emphasis on sex, hook-ups, romance, speed dating, dating apps, etc. So every voice helps. And your voices on this video helps contribute. It means a lot to us when we have any form of positive representation and support. Thank you 🥰💜🖤🤍💚
I didn't find out about asexuality and aromanticism until my late 30's, early 40's. Even after that, information about the ace and aro spectrums, the split attraction model and so on was very hard to find. For a long time after I came out as aroace, I didn't feel like I was a part of either the straight or the queer communities. Providing education about asexuality not only helps people finding their identities, but it also helps allosexual people realize that this is an actual orientation and that we are not "broken." Thank you!
It's great to hear someone explain us so clearly. This was so good. I have to assume that you have a lot more listeners to the podcast version of the show. Still, you have my sub now :)
This was very interesting and structured well. The interview segments were awesome and informative, thank you for spreading awareness on this topic
Awesome job covering this and happy your included someone who is ace-spec in the ep! I will def be checking out their book! Also to anyone who wants to learn more, please go read "Ace" by Angela Chen and "Refusing Compulsory Sexuality" by Sherronda J Brown. Both fantastic, thoroughly researched books by ace-spec authors!
I grew up vaguely identifying as bisexual but I've always felt more comfortable with the term queer. In college I came out to friends (mainly also queer) as demi and was met with idk, indifference? It felt like something that felt really important to me was brushed off as "and?". I believe I'm also androromantic for ease I like the descriptor of aspec overall. Ive always been uncomfortable watching people kiss, especially on tv when it can get...passionate lol. I always felt so guilty becase for awhile i thought it was just when I saw gay couples kiss (im aggressively feminist) but then i realized kissing in general is just not my thing. I crave a sensual relationship imbued with intellectual, romantic and aesthetic attraction. I even felt like I was bad at being aspec because I still have sexual desires on occasion. Thank you for this video, there's not a lot of resources for us.
Thank you for your podcast !!! Not many allos do an informative, non judgmental pod/video on asexuality. I hope this helps people understand others and themselves better.
(Kinda alot to read, so uh... heres a short summary if you dont want to read this all- Asexual finds identity and deals with traditional ignorance) As an ace, this showed up in my recommended. Ever since I was in middle school, people would confess to me that they thought I was gay, since I never was caught dating any girls. My family would pressure me to date a girl, and be confused that even now, in highschool, going into senior year, that I've never dated any girls. My family is very traditional as christian conservatives. Which can be extremely frusturating for people like me. My physchologist "outed me", with my permission, to my father. Diagnosing me with DMS-5, and telling my father, who gave a extremely saddened look. Just for him to tell me in private that "it's just a phase." and "I'll grow out of it." Which makes me mad that he still makes hetero comments to me about me "liking women". The reason I don't tell the rest of my family, is because they'll blame it on, "The kids are young, and don't know what they want." Instead of actually considering that I might not actually "like" people. I hate weaponized ignorance from holding onto tradition, negating any valid critism, just because its modern and new AND possibly scary. I've always had a struggle finding a community to bind myself to. I'm not straight, nor "apart" of LGBTQ+ in some sense. I still find it strange that when I still get called a "fag" despite not actually being gay, but more because I have a ace flag. By being between two communitys that should be unified, I feel distant from both. I don't think labeling asxuals in a DMS catagory is nessasary bad, but by calling it a disorder it becomes something its not. I believe its more used to catagorize certain asexuals in a generalized umbrella, which can help understand a specific group by generalization by looking at the whole picture instead of the specific details that make up that picture. Catagorizing. I also take asexuality as a great lesson to not generlize in phychology when the idea is to anaylze and dwelve deeper into phyche. That all these moving parts can make a casket of what we know in simpler terms. I have alot more to say, but yeesh this is the longest comment I think I've ever written. Also I'd love to poentially have an interview with Canton Winer.
What an informative video!! Thank you for spreading this with the world! So helpful
Really enjoyed this podcast as an asexual person (who didn't realize they were ace until their mid 20's) who's married. I'm not sure if I'll ever really come out per se and although I always knew it's because of my husband (who knows I'm ace) and my fear that it would bring negative interactions on him I actually totally didn't even focus in on why I was so worried about that for him and that it was, at least in part, because he's an Asian man and I know that he already has to deal with a phenomenal amount of bs.
i really appreciate an honest and detailed breakdown of our community! though, we’ve really gotta work on your pronunciation of “gif” :)
Thank you for the video, the interviews were really great! Not only the history of science on that topic (and science to come ^^), but also the experiences of another ace person. It's only about two years that I realised I'm ace. Because I experience romantic attraction, it took me some time, but looking back it is obvious from my first crushes onwards. Yes, I did have strong feelings for some people, but never sexual. I was confused when others told me about their sexual feelings and only then I thought a lot about sex in the sense of "you should think about it more, you should want to have sex with someone". But I just don't care, it's nice but I don't need it. I can also really recommend the Manga "Is love the answer?" by Uta Isaki (kimi no sekai ni koi wa nai) on the topic of asexuality
ace love from the communtiy ❤❤ you commented so well on the topic and I found myself screaming out while watching: "Naw! How is she so sweet?" bc u used the vocabs so nice :)))
Thank you for this! I definitely learned some stuff myself as an ace person 😊
I'm ace and it look ages for me to realize that. I was almost 21, had never touched myself or had any sexual interaction. People thought I was relgious or something but it was just me being ace. One day I got tired of the bullying, went to a club, picked up a random guy and lost my virginity. It was BORING. I remember being there and thinking "people actually enjoy this?". I took me another 7 years to realize people didn't feel that way and also that people touched themselves. I had long term relantionships and I knew once I started doing it I would enjoy it, but it's rare that I wanna do it before starting to actually do it. Just two people in my whole life had the ability to make me wanna do it. I'm 31.
Great video.. you completely nailed it for me.. Aaro-Ace. Never had a problem living it.. just trying to understand it. Many thanks 🙏
This really helped confirm my identity as asexual and aromantic thank you!!!