The Strange Places Our Conversations Go

[Music] welcome to ear biscuits the podcast where two lifelong friends talk about life for a long time I'm link and I'm red this week at the round table of dim lighting we are giving you a mix and match of some of the greatest ever Rabbit Hole episodes that's right it's a mashup episode today because we're taking a break actually from recording this week and the next three weeks for the Hibiscus but don't worry we're always going to give you a special experience that you can have and this is thi

s is one of those it's a mashup we'll be back on July 17th with an all-new ear biscuit until then you can enjoy episodes like this we're going to be talking about uh everything from our biggest fears if you can actually die from lack of sleep exploring whether or not we believe in ghosts and also the world's craziest coincidences we never knew where the rabbit hole was going to take us and now you don't so buckle up for the mashup I mean I gotta go with the most obvious thing that I'm afraid of

at First Blood I mean I'm J I'm simply afraid of blood but it's not like yes I'm a it's I'm afraid of the circulation of blood the concept of blood circulating like I'm afraid of getting like if if I if I try to take my own pulse I just hate that hmm I mean and it's kind of ironic because it's kind of the sign of life it's a really good sign that there's a liquid coursing through tubes in your body but when I touch it and it like it pulses and just it's it it makes me quiz I just get queased not

once the Blood starts coming out you're also queasy right because I think that's the most yeah that's the place where most people begin to say okay but if if like if your finger was bleeding I wouldn't faint but if it was the result of a cut if it was squirting blood the circuit is the circulation is worse than the bleeding just the sign of blood it needs to be paired with something like a visceral injury Chianti no it's like um an injury or circulation like it has to be paired with something i

t's the one-two punch of this blood is associated with this thing this movement through my innards like I don't like anything related to surgery like cutting people open exposing this insides putting the insides on the outside that's that's gross I think that's why I don't like dog erections now that I think about it because it looks like the inside coming outside yes I don't think many people like I don't think dogs like dog erections they do I mean then why do they lick it uh they're ashamed I

didn't mean to go down this path I'm sorry um any in of course there's the there's the Timeless story of me opening the Barbie doll at Christmas and cutting my finger and then at my father-in-law's house the in-laws house and then running to the kitchen sink and then the next thing I know I'm coming to in my father-in-law's arms because my finger was cut because and it's like having it like creating that like crevice that ditch that like oh how deep is that like I mean cut if you see bone oh my

gosh oh I can't stand it and like so yes seeing gross like that in a movie is just it just seems I don't like nasty I don't like that stuff in the movie and then I don't like you know I don't like seeing it in uh medical dramas either like I got a freaking turn by the way like for I'm a huge horror fan but I don't think I've ever watched like Final Destination right you know which is just people dying in a bunch of weird ways like I I kind of get it and I would if you ask me to go I'll go to it

and I'm not gonna get freaked out you're more psychological but yeah I don't like gory is not like I wasn't a kid that saw those Gore magazines like uh what's the name what's that one that was always in every stand in every gas station we went to jugs no that was different um anyway I I am not into that at all I I think most people would agree with you on this because every time you sometimes you meet like a doctor an emergency room doctor especially and they just don't find any of this stuff g

ross and they yeah they those are the people that we need I understand I can understand how you can get to that point or be at that point where it's like hey you know what some people might find you know everybody can find something scary or gross it's like oh look at this like black like furry material coming through my epidermis on my forearm oh my gosh that is just horrible not that gross uh what are you afraid of I'm afraid of snakes and this has gotten I realized recently that this is I'm a

fraid of snakes too I can't believe I yeah that's on my I'll put it on my list it's uh it's affected me deeply and okay but do you hold the I'm no let me on the show I'm a lot more afraid of snakes than you are this is a weird complex fear and let me I I'll elucidate because you hold Craig I'm not afraid of I'm not afraid of a snake I'm not afraid of if I if I know a snake is there I'm going up to a cage somebody hands me a snake I'm not I I'm a little bit scared the whole time that like even ho

lding Craig that like I've seen those videos where they just they just reach up and bite you and their little teeth mark get get all over your face and stuff and you bleed like crazy ah I don't like the idea of that and so I'm a little bit scared the whole time but not too scared to touch them and uh I have had a recurring dream for many years haven't had it that recently where I'm walking through some environment usually tall grass and there's snakes everywhere and this ties into the way my fea

r has manifested itself in real life now growing up in North Carolina we spent a lot of time in the woods next to the river next to the creek we would walk indiscriminately through the woods without ever thinking about snakes and you know what we saw snakes we'd be swimming in the river and we'd look over and there'd be like I remember down in Keith Hills at the bottom of that last Spillway there was a bed of I think it was probably water snakes and I don't think it was moccasins but like I'm ta

lking 40 snakes slithering on top of each other like Indiana total Indiana Jones we would like stick up like Golf Club in there and they were long they were big and it could be they could have been six foot long and I stepped on a water moccasin one time when moving the canoe and jumped away and he didn't bite me but what I have found is that I cannot enjoy hiking in California really I can't because of rattlesnakes yes but then I went back to North Carolina um last year and was walking through

the woods with Jesse and I realized I was constantly thinking about snakes really and I was like in this super focused like looking around and being like don't step on a snake don't sneak up on a snake and I'm like why why is this fear manifested itself now hiking in California when you go up in the mountains over the summer I went hiking four times in a row I saw a rattlesnake four like four hikes in a row I saw a rattlesnake but they are reclusive and you got to really get them cornered for th

em to do anything to you there was one in the rattle headline on the trail and the rest of his body which was weird in like an ambush situation but he kind of slithered away I don't know why this has I don't know what happened I don't know what happened to me I don't think about I'm I'm so afraid of snakes and when I go hiking I just do not think about that because I want to enjoy hiking well I want to enjoy it too but I'm thinking about snakes I think my my level level of compartmentalization i

s like super human like I think that might be my superpower oh what if you'd be called DJ compartmentalizer or just the compartmentalizer actually that sounds like a show on ABC like stars a teenager you know like a teenager doing an assault job solving solving um he likes talks directly to an angel he has to be solving crimes though yeah but he's like he's doing it through his expertise in like storage equipment yeah he just owns a storage facility the compartmentalizer I'm afraid of snakes too

man I'm afraid of spiders I'm afraid of bugs I'm afraid of lizards I'm afraid of any little thing that like creeps or crawls or has multiple legs multiple legs I had a lizard drop the tail on me he dropped the tail you know how they Panic they can just drop their tail so it'll start squiggling around and they run away from it just separate from their tail they have an ability to snap their tail off this was you know you know those you know I didn't know they could snap it off I thought it had t

o be pulled off well I don't exactly know the mechanics but I've always here's what happened I was in the garage and I just cleaned the garage I was very proud of myself and I was like man and I'm like spraying uh like mint you know you can do like mint spray to get insects from keeping so you don't have to like do like pesticides oh like ants and stuff yeah and any kind of bugs you know I'm like I'm sucking up I'm like sucking up all kinds of I'm just going around and sucking up uh little spide

rs and I know people don't like it when you kill spiders but you know what I kill spiders I kill if bugs get in the house I kill them sorry I'm that guy and so and you know you're a Maverick the best way to do it is with your shop vac just suck them right up yeah surely they probably die slowly inside of the shop vac but I also don't care I bet there's a lot to eat in there and so I think they make a little community of friends before they all die slowly but I suck them up in the thing just reve

rse it and just blow it into your neighbor's yard more than I care about the community of insects that live inside my shop vac here's the thing I was looking at my amazing Immaculate garage and then all of a sudden I saw one of those lizards and it was a big daddy sometimes they get real big and he was doing the thing where as soon as he saw me he played dead now let me be clear I don't kill lizards it's just are you fine with picking them up nope as a team either as a team I don't think I'm you

nger I killed lizards I killed snakes I mean I killed squirrels and rabbits too I would but BB gun I was a little terror and um and we did eat them sometimes when we could convince my mom to cook like a rabbit in the house which we did one time she like braised a damn you're bringing you're bringing a little the tape did you bring the tail of the lizard to Jesse and ask her to cook it no I didn't so this thing's staring at you but I don't kill any animals other than insects now I have evolved ok

ay it's plain dead it's playing dead but I like I can't I'm not gonna touch this thing because they bite man they bite and this I'm scared of them they look like a snake with legs yeah and so I got it I got the broom he was not even responding to the broom he was like I'm so committed to this oh wow but then it like the third stroke of the broom he woke up panicked and went right back into the like the little crevice area where the other broom was just leave him alone and I was like no no no no

because now when I'm coming down here in the morning to do my stretches I know that you're hiding over there and you're gonna run out and bite me on the nose or something worse wouldn't have stayed there and so I took the back end of the broom and started poking back there trying to get in a move and he is like I see him and I'm not trying to poke him I'm trying to scare him flush him out to get him out of the garage he does a maneuver and then all of a sudden bam I'm looking in two different pl

aces because he's done his thing the tail broke off right at the base and this was a big sucker his tail was three inches long his tail breaks off and begins to do this acrobatic dance that is you know what it worked my God this is fine I'm focused on this this evolutionary adaptation worked because I didn't see where he went I was too focused on the trick and it that thing moves when it detaches it just keeps wriggling for three to four minutes wow three to four minutes and then I was afraid to

touch it I left it there for a day because I didn't have a Kleenex that is so disturbing and you know what I know that like what other animals I mean I'm I'm afraid of all those little things what else I know that you're afraid of bees I'm not afraid of bees I'm not afraid I don't know what it is I'm not afraid I just believe I'm not gonna get stung by a like a yellow jacket a bee especially a B I am not afraid of bees like what about a wasp uh I'm I I'm I'm not gonna sit there and eat lunch wi

th a water they're done demonic I'm not gonna mess with a wasp but like a bee or a yellow jacket even like those little yellow jackets that come around your food but they don't sting you man you can't handle it hold on the little ones that's different okay a real yellow jacket will sting you and I know I'm talking about the little things the little ones that I'm not actually Yellow Jackets they're yellow I'm not scared yes you are and you're afraid of bees I am afraid of bees yeah I'm Not Afraid

uh no but a b can land on me and I'll keep eating not to the because you don't you don't put that in energy into out there and then the bee won't sting you that's not my experience man and then honestly if they do how many times you've been stuck by bees not that many no not that many I've been stung by several bees that's because you're being erratic no you think they're interpreting no yes I'm saying that like there's multiple times threatening them I'm a bee friend a bee landed on me I love

bees and stung me because they don't have both the legs they have arms they have arms y'all and you're also afraid of bats is that on your list you're definitely afraid of bats dude you didn't put it on your list well okay all right comprehensively we've gone through the animals I think yeah yeah snakes bats bees spiders lizards multiple legs um I asked Lando before I dropped him off this morning what is he afraid of and he said and this was a big one for him he's afraid of mascots and I was lik

e that's common fear it's a comment I'm like why are you afraid of mascots he's like because I there's a because I know there's a person in there and I'm like but they don't talk and he's like yes and and he said in their facial expression never changes it's like it's a silent it's so creepy like mascots are freaking creepy I was like uh you know what I should be afraid of mascots I'm gonna start being a friend of us that's a good cogent again argument so this is what it's like to have link as a

dad you come to him with a fear and he just adopts it as opposed to helping you with it I am now afraid of mascots man uh I I find mascots creepy I I think that if you don't find mascot it's a little bit creepy then there's probably something wrong with you or you're a you're a Disney adult but I think that you do Mo most kids when confronting with a mascot will cry hysterically and I think Atlanta's past that point I mean he's not good I don't know if it's the majority I mean at Disney World n

o not the majority I mean when you're like when you're really young I'm saying like a mascot that you don't recognize Lando is not really young he's he's 12 no no I'm saying but he's not gonna cry at a mascot he's just like I don't yeah I'm not I'm not yeah I'm not interested but he's not gonna cower from a mascot there's a little bit of cowering well maybe you got to get a mascot costume and find out put him in one that is the way that you overcome a fear is become the thing that you're most af

raid of he's gonna be like the best college mascot ever I'm Batman and he's like I used to be very afraid of this you should be you should be the next Batman the beard won't work um bearded Batman not gonna happen did you say what you're afraid of next uh I'm afraid of tweeting dude I'm just freaking afraid of it there's a lot of evidence it's like there's just these few times that I I will tweet and and I'm not talking about like a retweet or like some sort of promotion I'm talking about like e

xpressing myself in like in like using like thinking about things and writing it out you know I actually think I'm afraid of writing down thoughts like I hate doing that yeah because they get lost sometimes I hate writing things down uh I hate email but I'm afraid of tweeting because the few times that I take a risk it's just like it just leaves everybody scratching their head and criticizing me yeah that's it and I don't blame them that's the internet you know what because I always learn that y

ou know what you're right he says I I'm afraid of of actually having a thoughtful discourse with the open internet oh is that what you're intending to do sometimes because that because that feels different than the way than the way you tweet it doesn't feel like this is the beginning of a thoughtful discourse it does some of the things you tweet don't feel like an invitation to discourse it's just like no I don't know what not not this I don't know what series of events led to link tweeting that

and it's so tough I mean it's so tough to know how to uh like there's so many things that like my I mean you think about all the issues in the world and they you know the people who care about the things they care about if they like you they want you to also care about it especially when it's something that's like if it's like uh and an issue that people need to champion because there needs to be change and it's like extremely intimidating to me so it's like but yeah to take like the serious ro

ute here it's like I'm I'm really afraid I don't know it's just like it just it just it racks my nads man to like care deeply about things but to not know how to like do it on Twitter I I it's just like there's something and it's some of it is the perfectionism thing and like not wanting you want to be able to anticipate criticism so you can take care of it yourself and not let other people do it like as a perfectionist you know there is this fear of um criticism you know uh so I think that's pa

rt of it but then just like even tweeting goofy you know is like I I feel pretty paralyzed on that front and I think I'm okay with it you know I think I'm just I I don't I don't feel like I'm less of because I don't except the times when I do and then I realize that I shouldn't yeah I maybe I should just delete Twitter I like it I like I like lurking you probably shouldn't do it I'm not you should probably not follow 4 000 people you should probably undo that at some point um because you got a l

ot I mean I had to go through one time many years ago because we or Jenna helped me with that oh how many do you follow now oh yeah I do unfollowed this year I am I don't know how many people I'm following oh so you reduce the amount I reduced because we used to like follow everybody who followed us yeah and then some of them were taken over by really weird accounts oh yeah there was you were following some really weird things Shanice Lost Girl 23 on Twitter said not mine just to get that out of

the way but my parents were this is kind of like your Vietnam story we're flower girl and Page boy now we'll come back to page boy to the same wedding because my dad was the nephew of the groomsmen and my grandmother was friends with the bride my parents are not related sweaty Emoji sweaty laughing emoji the only they only realized when they got married themselves okay so there's they only realized when they got married there's no connection between the two families what about page boy can we c

an we go there is this is Page boy mean the ring bearer uh uh I'm gonna say or do they bring a pager to this wedding yeah I think it's on a pillow but it's the pager instead of a ring because he's like he was a doctor or a drug dealer uh a guy getting married was a drug dealer and no he's just uh in him to Easy EMT he's an EMT I was the ring bearer in my aunt TC's wedding you remember it the little no I don't remember it of course uh you know you got all the the wedding pictures and I had a pill

ow with the with the I guess both Rings were on it that's a lot to entrust like a a little child young enough to not remember it it also like I'd I'd have trouble not eating one of the Rings the way I was at that age I would just put things in my mouth I mean I was like I guarantee I was four years old how many ring bearers I was smart enough to follow the ring every ring and then they're like oh crap well we had to delay the wedding how long does it take a ring to get through a toddler's digest

ive system or do you just have the wedding let's do it we'll just do a like a temporary ring or a pager in this case maybe that's what happened were you ever in a ring bearer or how many weddings have you been in just by the way how many weddings have I been in well you were in my wedding as a child none I was only in my my aunt TC's wedding I believe my first wedding that I was in was my brothers which might be the first wedding they you weren't in that way I wasn't in Cole's wedding you came t

o her though well yeah I attended the wedding I think it was it yeah it was in Indiana we drove to Chicago remember that's right yeah unauthorized that was awesome yeah we actually drove to Indiana we picked up your granddad he was uh he was um well no he got it backwards my granddad picked us up yeah we were we were hitchhiking we were in uh Rensselaer Indiana and my grandfather my dad's dad who lived in Michigan who we didn't have the best of of relationships with um I'd seen him maybe once in

my life he decides that he can make the drive down to uh Indiana to see my brother get married and Link and I had driven a car from North Carolina to Indiana with like age whatever we were 17 17 probably and uh but then for some reason when we got there we no longer had use of the car because somebody else was using it my dad or Cole or something yeah they needed the extra car for something and at that point me and you were like listen we're not staying here well and well well I'm staying here

at the rehearsal or whatever um yeah we drove to Chicago we did that yeah but I'm saying other than the driving to Chicago we were walking after we got rid of the car we were walking around in Rensselaer Indiana and an old man pulls up and rolls down the window and it's my grandfather talk about a coincidence and I literally have seen this guy once in my life and he's like you need a ride he knew who you were yeah and I was like yeah we got in there and he was like I don't know about this town i

t's got more churches than liquor stores you remember saying that because I was in the car I don't remember that I remember like wow to be Rhett's Granddad this this is kind of a this is kind of a weird interaction relationship I mean I didn't know him yeah but I never forget I'll never forget that line there's more he didn't I don't know about this town there's more churches than liquor stores but yeah that was how he judges how comfortable he would be with a town um and after that did you ever

see him again um I don't know maybe I don't know I don't think so I think I saw him twice I think I saw him once when I was probably like 10 and then once when my brother got married he didn't show up for your wedding he did not he did not show up I've never even thought I really thought I mean we literally had very little relationship with him it's not like a broken relationship that was that I used to remember him and it was broken it was just never it never happened so I don't really think m

uch about it um which we do think about occasionally yeah right um if he wasn't in town for the wedding that being one hell of a coincidence exactly right exactly oh what are you doing here but again I think this is a really cool story for your parents and I'm sure your parents tell this story Shanice to friends but if you grow but if you like if you're connected to people in a town who get married and then like but they didn't realize it until they got married that's that's what makes it weird

like like maybe they didn't live in the town or they moved away or something or I don't know but this is need more details to be wowed this is not magic I mean ultimately what we're saying is this is just a coincidence it's cool it's cute and uh your parents they have a really cool story that they can tell but it's not magic no magic occurred here I think this is a good one Jen Everson at Ginny white e or Jenny Whitey I don't know double e at the end my husband and I went to the same uni uh oh y

ou're you're British is showing or I don't know wherever you're you're you're not American use of University yeah we don't say uni here no we don't it just yeah it kind of reminds me it's like saying like any Audi or uni it's like a third type of belly button right yeah my husband and I went to the same uni but didn't meet during that time near the start of our relationship we were walking past the house I had last lived in and he told me he had also lived there only five years earlier in the sa

me bedroom so crazy what a small weird world well it's not as weird as if he would have said you know what I live there in this room and I'm a vampire under the bed that you slept in yeah right uh and you just never knew it that's pretty cool I mean you get married you have this you know obviously you you found this connection you found your soul mate and then you realize that you slept in the same place only five years apart I have a theory here that I think might hold some water magic it's not

definitely not magic this is all science um now you know having uh made an ad for sleepbetter.org back in the day to try to get people to replace their pillow just how many dead skin cells a person sheds a lot um okay okay recently I was watching something when they were talking about dust and they were like in your house if you just go up to a shelf like a top shelf that you haven't been to in a while and you run your finger across that dust a very high percentage of that dust if not most of i

t is dead skin cells from the people who live in the house wow no I just heard that one time and maybe it's not true that it's the major but a lot and the number of skin the the amount of pounds of skin that you shed in a week or there's you just are getting rid of a lot more of yourself than you than you realize and every nine years your entire body is new every single cell in your body even the ones that take a long time to like turn over like your liver cells all everything is new so wow whil

e your husband now who lived there first he also he did five years earlier so your husband's living in this bedroom he is just shedding himself all over the bedroom I mean he he he he will forever he's still in that bed he shed in the bed he's shed in the bed he's shedding the walls he's shedding the ceiling your husband is all over this room and it's almost like the essence of husband it might be a different bed I was probably definitely not the same bedding no it's not you see the walls but th

e walls walls the floor the definitely the ceiling nobody dust the ceiling oh and then you go I do into this room and you live for some specified period of time and we already know your skin cells and his skin cells make a skin cell baby that's not what happened then you can't get pregnant flies around like a fairy and introduces the two now you're getting into Magic now here's another scientific principle at play a thing we talked about this we try to do an episode of GMM about this and it didn

't work uh it was one of those experimental episodes where we had different people wear different shirts and then you smelled them and decided if you were like we try to guess who it was but it was based on a study that had been done which is based on people's pheromones and sort of like just general body odor different people are attracted to different sort of for lack of a better word flavor profiles of other people I don't think that was science I think it was just some person who we had on t

he show who said they could do a personality profile based on what people that was different okay but no but no because there was a study that was done where it was like if okay say if I if if me as a a heterosexual man who is attracted to women were to smell 10 women's shirts that they had worn and I ranked them according to which one which smell I was most attracted to if you were then to show me those women I might I would be more likely to order them in my level of attraction to them based o

n what I the the smell like that's what the study kind of in general said huh so what I'm saying is that I believe that we almost did an episode of GMM called do white people smell like cheese we did we did that was Pitch to us but we never did it we did we decided against that but spoiler alert we do Jen what happened in your situation is your husband had shed your in the room and you became you breathed him in over the course of the time that you live there and whether or not you had a natural

connection with that just exposure therapy being exposed to the leftover husband that is in that room over the course of the time you left lived there you became primed developed in Affinity yes it's just like when you're trying to get rid of a peanut allergy and you give a little bit of peanut to a person over a period of time so now it's like her husband is the peanut she doesn't have an allergy to him but in the same way that you can get rid of an allergy you can enhance an attraction and th

at is precisely and scientifically and definitively what happened in this case and that is why you're together today CV films at techno boys 652 once I was driving in this parking lot and got cut off forcing me into a curb which popped my tire I start driving away and realize that the tires popped I like how he's using the term popped popped the tire so I pull across the street into a small parking lot to inspect it I looked up and I pulled directly into a tire store this might be magic well tha

t's Serendipity you know you pop your tire and then you I mean it's kind of like I remember the one time that I was driving back in North Carolina I was driving from Holly Springs to Apex and I got pulled over by a cop and I could there was I had to find the right a bit of curb to pull over on and when I finally found it to pull over the cop behind me the whole time I looked up and it was the police department I was at the police I'll go straight just booked me now yes uh I remember that so I kn

ow the feeling it's just like I you know you feel the need to explain different feeling you feel the need to explain I didn't mean to I didn't even know this was a tire shop I just you know it's just here I am well I think that this is all about perspective you got the guy who has busted his tire popped his tire who pulls in and he's like isn't this awesome and this is crazy this is crazy that has pulled into this tire place and the tire guys who work at the tire place like there's another guy w

ho thinks it's a great coincidence that he popped his tire on that curb that bust everybody's Tire you know what I'm saying like I think it might they might have like spike strips they might they might be intentional yeah they might be drawing people in might be more than just a curb you know what I'm saying it wasn't just a card it might be sabotage a tire Ponzi scheme entire popping Ponzi scheme I bet you they didn't do that let's let's believe the best I mean this is it is a good feeling his

the thing that did excite me about talking about coincidences koinky dinks large and small is these when you experience it there's like this Elation I'm at a tire shop this is so perfect like this is lined up you know that's most of the time it's like inexplicable but for it to be so serendipitously service oriented is really nice but even when it's just kind of crazy like man we were we were in the same wedding as kids and now we're married uh uh it feels cool it feels cool right yeah I mean do

you remember the the main uh coincidence that I'd love to hear again is is the wild horses one and we can get back to the Tire Guy okay the wild horses story because this one highlights perfectly the thrill of experiencing a coincidence like you may not know the meaning but you feel like there should be a meaning because it's just so crazy that it happened and it's a shared experience that when you tell it it's never as good as when you experienced it but it brings up other people's experiences

so at least you can share in that and that's what I want I don't remember what year it was let's just say 2005. because it was in the alts okay I'm with my brother-in-law Chris in a boat at the North Carolina beach specifically in the sound between Emerald Isle and the mainland near Beaufort North Carolina okay this is a new boat that Chris has gotten that bought he bought from his brother I think so we're kind of like feeling like this freedom of like man we just we got a boat we can go anywhe

re on this Intercoastal Waterway yeah and that's not like an expression I made up that's the thing so we're in the boat and you know the the coast of North Carolina has got the Outer Banks but it's not just the mainland and then like you know a long strip of eye there's all kinds of little islands all around if you look at the map of the coast right some are small some are big there's just a bunch of them and as we're kind of going through the sound I see these little Marsh covered Islands some

have trees on them and I'm like you know there's a there's an island somewhere on the coast of North Carolina that has wild horses on it and Chris is like no I'm like yeah like I I there's um I think it has something to do with maybe like the Spanish came over here hundreds of years ago and some horses got out and now there's like a wild population like undomesticated I've been wild horses that live on some Island I was like I don't think it's anywhere around here but there are there are horses

there are a lot of horses somewhere so I mean we moved on we started talking about other things and then we just start going like he's like you know got the pedal to the metal we're just flying through the sound you can't hear anything we're playing the radio the whole time we've been playing the radio but we can't hear anything when you're going full bore and we're going past this island and all of a sudden we look to our right and out from like behind a tree this horse like comes up and like c

omes up in like turns away sideways so that like we can see the whole horse body wow like it's displaying itself to us and what did he say the horse said nothing okay Chris immediately stops accelerating and the boat slows down and we're just idling and we look at each other like what in the world and he's like looking at me like I can't believe this is happening then because the boat is no longer making any noise because we're idling we hear the song that is playing on the radio and the song th

at is currently playing on the radio is Wild Horses by Rolling Stones that's crazy and then do what you did you just kind of you looked at each other wide-eyed right and you were like are you are we really here for this right yeah it was it was mine it's a great feeling all right have at it man use your spooky voice this is from Sasa Sasa the vilber the evil bear the evil bear that makes a lot more sense my biggest scare is more spiritual when I was 12 I was alone at home and I saw that on my be

d was a dip like someone was sitting on the bed when I did a double take I saw the tip lift no the dip lift is what she wanted to write I saw the diplift like when someone stands up I hid in the living room [Music] you saw a divot in your mattress that then plumpified at age 12 age 12. how reliable are you at age 12. I mean just just just talking hormones alone like if a 12 year old reporter came to you I mean first of all does he have a hat does it say press no one trusts the media anymore anyw

ay much less a 12 year old reporter so 12 year old reporter comes up and is just I believe the children journalists are our future aliens landed in Belarus you'd be like okay prove it 12 year old I think Sasa I think you got it you gotta be looking for spooky things in order to see something like that I don't think because that's not an attention grabbing thing it's not a cupboard slamming you know it's not it's not someone like a possessed person yelling at you that normally loves you I don't k

now I mean listen I don't do I don't I don't discount it I just think it's good I think it's a knit bit nitpicky oh and it may get clear I mean we're not trying to pick these apart even though we just did with that one uh I'm open to this I just don't I think you have to be looking for something to Spook you to see something that that subtle yeah well you don't know how big the dip was I mean what if this was a thick ghost hmm you know it depends on how big the how much the bed is being deformed

like if I'm in a certain mindset anything could scare me like when you make me watch the scary movies and then for the next week or so as I've said before I ain't ashamed to say it I get scared taking out the trash I mean there's like a there's a dark area where the trash can should go I also get scared not necessarily taking the trash out when I'm by myself in the woods I get scared and it is because of all the the things that I put into my mind with horror movies and in horror books but I won

't I can't stop though the thing that happened to me in my camping trip is not something that I you know I to a fault I wasn't ready for some spooky to happen yeah I made clear with people's reactions yeah to your story of you not going outside when your wife was offered well was asked about hot dogs at Golden cheesy William meyad tweeted spooky voice when I was nine or ten already we don't even remember what age we were no oh when I was nine and ten let's say that we moved into a funeral home a

s part of the family business now I started to have persistent sleep paralysis and saw a figure both in the room when awake and in the elevator in my dreams those two years were probably the scariest in my life they stopped after moving okay so funeral home man at 10 years old okay there's three things is this funeral home with a freaking elevator in it and you're living in it you're living in a freaking Funeral Home it's part of the family business that's wild sleep paralysis I mean the only th

ing scarier than sleep paralysis is like surgery paralysis and I don't even want to talk about that all right I know you're you're related you're afraid of sleep paralysis because you feel like you've had it at times right well that was yeah I know it's an interesting way to put that you're afraid of sleep paralysis because you feel like you've had it I didn't say fiance because you've had it no you said you feel like did I say this okay I have had it but I I have not had it in probably 10 or 15

years I had a lot as a kid and I had and it and it slowly wore off in my 20s and I haven't had it in many years uh but a lot of people report seeing so when you have sleep paralysis you can see with your your eyes are open not for me so okay for William saw a figure in the room most people in awake but in sleep paralysis most people sense the presence of a figure like what happens is you your mind wakes up but your body does not and so you can you're so you're fully aware I'm in my bed and what

happened with me I would wake up and I would be like oh no it's happening again I can feel myself in my bed I can feel the position that I'm in and I can't move my I can't open my eyes I can't do anything and so you really so you're faced with a choice now you could be like I'm just gonna lay here and go back to sleep but for me I could never do that I had to commit fully to getting out of it and so I would like start trying to find a limb to move and it would be like uh and eventually you like

go like and then you get out of it what that would happen to me pretty often growing up it's like breaking out of a shell or something but some people when they wake up and they're in that state they will sense the presence it's very common there's a name for the for the person the ghost it's like a dark figure that they sense when they're Slenderman and sleep paralysis Slender Man may be based on this character but it's just this dark figure um I've heard many people talk about it I never I ne

ver saw the dark figure sleep paralysis common figures people who experience sleep paralysis have essentially woken up before they've stopped dreaming it's an incredibly common sleep problem and estimated eight percent of people who experience it regularly um ever wake up frozen in the middle of the night let's see and see a pitch black figure yeah okay here it is imagine you're sleeping you suddenly open your eyes this is kqed.org science your body won't move if it's if something's holding you

down you hear scratching in the corner of the room then see a pitch black figure you think it's just your mind playing tricks until the figure starts moving slowly it's getting closer you shut your eyes but you can hear it shuffling toward you this is what sleep paralysis is like not for me sleep paralysis usually occurs when you're well asleep your brain is telling you to go to sleep in to not move because when you walk around in your sleep that's not good but some people have a problem with th

at not turning off so when they wake up they still can't move oh gosh and people who are susceptible to sleep paralysis if I'm if I remember correctly are more likely to have the surgery paralysis thing happen oh gosh that is a nightmare William I'm sorry that happened to you living in a funeral home oh my gosh and then dreaming about the same person once you've seen something that freaked you out dreaming about it I guess makes sense well you know or it could just be well so I told this story o

n GMM years ago about my wife and I having a shared Dream well in my dream specifically and I and you can go by to the GMM because it was much more fresh and I told her the very next day but essentially what I dreamed is that I was in this elevator an elevator opened and there was this little blonde girl who was had evil intent of some kind and it was very scary and I woke up and I started talking to Jesse about it and she had just had a dream at the same time about a little blonde girl and we'r

e kind of just like what did I say and we just sat there in in the bed kind of freaking out for a while well uh at Jade underscore Jim rig tweeted me and my family were talking about spooky ghost stuff and I said how I've seen a girl with long hair and a long white nightgown run by my line of vision out of the corner of my eye and then my whole family starts sharing stories from when they've seen the same Ghost with the same descriptions um having other people experience the same thing either in

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all-nighter in college which is the first place I think that you're gonna be apt to stay up all night except for that one time that we went snowboarding in the mountains and it's a good place to snowboard and we yeah it is we went so we have this to the plane you know we had to drive a number of hours you start skiing at like 1am the night ski at Hawks Nest same place seems this is this was a scenario under which I broke my pelvis and and suffered the concussion but I remember at a at a precedi

ng time we did it you start skiing at one you just came from like one to maybe like one to four does that sound right to you night skiing night skiing they got the lights on I don't believe you're right about that you think it's done by one I my best guess because first of all during the winter Sunset is probably 5 30 or 6. yeah so I think it's probably like six to midnight night night skiing yeah and then I think yeah I think you might could go to one and then they got to make snow at some poin

t and then we had to drive back and maybe stopping at the waffle house and all that stuff by the time I got back I I went I did not sleep I went straight to class and I just remember being in my medieval history class and I could not stay awake and I was taking notes and I literally was able to look back at my notes and see the moment that I fell asleep because it's a movie line it's just like a yeah it it the line just kind of squiggled down off the page and that's how I want to die I was fight

ing I was fighting it so hard you know you just cannot stay awake any longer that was so I remember that being an all-nighter I don't recall that the I mean the most recent all-nighter was when we shot Hazel and we were fighting against the sun coming up that's right so this is in case you didn't know this is the tick tock first we released it on Tick Tock and then we put it on the Rhett and Link YouTube channel but basically our horror you know spending a night in the creative house kind of thi

ng um nobody watched it um but if you were there for when it happened yeah you were awesome you were thrilled by it the um which is great we obviously we stayed up all day because that's typically what we do because I'm I'm not a vampire and I also don't take naps but then the night shoot rolled around and you know Ben had the shot list planned as soon as it gets dark we start because we got to shoot in the dark we had talked about potentially like doing blackout of the windows but we were tryin

g to avoid that because it takes a bunch of time yeah so it was it was we had One Night in the Woods which did not take all night and then the next night I believe is when we went back to the creative house and we were shooting all night in the house and that's the one that went all the way till the sun came up yes we actually kind of going on less sleep I just remember the sun coming up and that was when we were packing everything up and putting it back in the trucks and being very tired but no

t being sleepy I like my body was like okay well we missed that opportunity and then I was like I'm gonna go home I don't miss that opportunity it was to sleep to sleep but now circadian rhythm is in play and your body's like okay well now it's okay I guess another day is here and I have such a difficult time sleeping during the day I know I had to I don't remember it but I had to have slept you didn't sleep during the day no no I went home and slept for at I think probably two hours and then wo

ke up and was like I guess I'll just you know I'll never make up for this I don't think I've ever done more than that what I've never done because obviously we did the same thing with uh all night long all night long when we sing Lionel Richie's all night long literally for 11 hours all night long it's on YouTube check it out and uh check it out Brian you didn't know about that that was from Sundown to Sunrise and then again same thing like go home that was easy because we were constantly um eng

aged occupied and there were certain scenes with the Hazel thing especially towards the the morning like they were shooting something with you and then I had this down time and once you sit down and you get still that gets difficult we had one all-nighter for buddy system too um well buddy system also it was uh season one so yeah we've had a few all-nighters but I'm I'm neither one of us have ever been the type of person to say let's just stay up all night and I can do that you know there's peop

le who can do that okay I mean I get when I get really tired I start to feel like nauseous it's like my body just starts shutting down well I'm about I'm about to scare you a little bit you're about to tell me it's actually a good thing you should be doing it on a monthly basis no no no well I read that book while we sleep which then I found out that at least some of the research that the guy had quoted in it was not right and so I don't know what part that was I didn't follow up okay but what b

ut he one of the things he talks about is you basically don't make up for it like you can't you don't make up for lost sleep like whatever the effects of missing sleep have it's you get those effects and they're short-term and then of course compounding there's long-term effects and like one of the things he talks about is people who are chronically uh under sleeping like you hear people like Steve Harvey he's one of them who will say like I sleep four hours a day Jay Leno says the same thing an

d there's this like pride of like you only sleep four hours and this guy's point was that yes there is a range of what people require but really nobody can get away with that little sleep they're they're suffering they're suffering consequences that are long-term Health consequences so when Steve Harvey's mustache just falls off one day it's probably because he's only getting four hours of sleep that's how it happens huh it starts with a mustache now there's been a couple of times I you know I t

old you earlier in the year when I started struggling a little bit with insomnia and then I think I figured out that it had to do with the intermittent fasting thing I was doing and that's a kind of a common side effect but it didn't go away from me but because I'm a hypochondriac or I have whatever health and anxiety whatever the proper term is today okay uh there was a point in which I was waking up and not being able to go about to sleep and I thought that I might have uh fatal familial famil

ial insomnia what fatal familial it's a rare genetic degenerative thing you can't sleep and it kills a family member it is well that can happen it is characterized by an inability to sleep insomnia that may be initially mild but progressively worsens leading to significant physical and mental deterioration affected individuals may also develop dysfunction of the Autumn autonomic nervous system the part of the nervous system that controls involuntary automatic body processes well yeah but basical

ly why do you think you have it I don't have it you just got scared I wasn't sleeping I mean it is a form of torture I would hate I I hate it for the people who can't sleep like that's it's just you're not it is literally a form of but you're not listening to me I'm listening to you I'm not talking about somebody who can't sleep I'm talking about a disease in which you slowly lose the ability to sleep and invariably die gosh you're not listening to what I'm saying bro I'm not talking about insom

nia I'm talking about chronic insomnia that they do not have a cure for and it happens to some people and they just freaking die you say awake to death yes well I heard you know I eventually man that is a nightmare and I've you know I I hate to make I'm not making light of it because I thought I had it but somebody does somebody does have it they don't know what to do about it they can't they can't do anything about it there's no treatment for it you can I mean there's got to be like some like h

igh-powered something to knock you out I don't I don't think so I think that you're whatever is in your brain that allows you to sleep eventually just goes away but what's how long can you go without sleeping before you die that's another question yeah not getting that one from conversationstarters.com I got that one for my brain how long how long can you stay awake without dying because you can go a few days without water right yeah you can go if you're not without food you need to stay hydrate

d you need to eat yes the longest recorded time without sleep is approximately 264 hours or just over 11 consecutive days now that person just probably fell asleep I don't know if they died um you know and there's like you know you you'll you'll you'll have like minor body altering drugs that will keep you keep you awake in order to get stuff done Beyond caffeine stuff that stuff I don't even want to know about let us know what you think about the rabbit hole episodes I mean we have fun when we

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