The Truth About Ayahuasca (hint: it's not DMT) ft. Stefano Quarta

Many of us have heard of this shamanic brew down in the Amazon called ayahuasca. Some consider it psychedelic, some consider it healing and medicinal, others consider it total woo-woo. But how many of us actually know what it's made of, what goes into it and how it works? And just like many of these others seemingly esoteric practices like urine therapy, there happen to be a lot of celebrities that have experience with ayahuasca. In the last few years, many people have heard of Aaron Rogers from

the NFL talking about ayahuasca. His teammates make fun of him for it. That's what ayahuasca did for me was help me see how to unconditionally love myself, and it's only in that unconditional self-love that then I'm able to truly be able to unconditionally love others, but did you know? the one and only Will Smith, like ayahuasca, megan Foxx. We did it for three nights. It was incredibly intense. I went to hell for eternity. Just knowing eternity is like torture in itself, because there was no

beginning, middle or end. So you have like a real ego death. Lindsay Lohan. Experience of ayahuasca was really intense and I saw my whole life in front of me and I had to let go of past things that I was trying to hold on to that were dark in my life. Sting. I handed out this brew and two did not look at each other. They began everybody drinking it. So we did. I drank it in one and then, after about 40 minutes, something coursing through every cell in my body like an intelligence searching every

thing, and I wired to the entire cosmos and I realized for the first time this is the only genuine religious experience I've ever had Paul Simon, miley Cyrus, susan Surrandon and Jim F***ing Terry. I woke up and I suddenly got it. Who is it that's aware that I'm thinking? And suddenly I was thrown into this expansive, amazing feeling of freedom from myself, from my problems. I saw that I was bigger than what I do. I was bigger than my body. I was everything and everyone. Maybe we've heard Graham

Hancock or Terrence McKenna talk about how these indigenous people in the Amazon, thousands of years ago, were told by the ancestors they saw in their tobacco visions to mix this bark on that side of the forest, this vine on this side of the forest, and it'll turn into this magical brew which will help you travel through the many, many, many dimensions of consciousness. So what is the no fringe truth about ayahuasca? My good friend Stefan O'Quarta joins me for this episode with the intention of

shedding some light on some mechanics and components of ayahuasca that the mainstream just doesn't seem to talk about. For example, did you know that ayahuasca is part of a legally recognized religion? And all this cultural anecdotal experience has got me to thinking. Ayahuasca clearly changes lives, but how and why? Many of us have heard of that one psychedelic compound that got popular back in the 60s called DMT, and that's kind of where our mainstream knowledge of ayahuasca seems to end. But

do we know what activates the DMT inside of the ayahuasca brew? DMT is a short-acting psychedelic, but it's not orally acting by itself, because there are enzymes in the gut, monoamine oxidases, that will inactivate DMT. What indigenous people have done when they prepare ayahuasca, they combine it with another plant that contains monoamine oxidase inhibitors. Hi, friends, and welcome back to Sovereign States of Mind. My name is Jordan Herbs. I'm a big proponent of becoming more sovereign in our

everyday lives and, in fact, ayahuasca itself developed my interest in this topic called sovereignty Because, for the first time in an ayahuasca ceremony, I recognize the importance of claiming sovereignty over my own consciousness. The ayahuasca supported me in recognizing that I always have a choice in claiming what is mine, distinguishing where I end and the rest of the universe begins. I realized I was being cone of pettage. I suffer from migraines, very bad migraine headaches. They curse a

t my life, the worst conceivable pain. It starts off and on one side of the head and it just grows and grows and grows and it completely dominates you and there's a full body malaise and you feel sick and your stomach gets all knotted up In the midst of a bad migraine. One of the few times I just feel life is not worth living. Get me out of here. I just don't want any more of this. And this was about three weeks ago. I had an ayahuasca session. Then I focused the whole session on please help me

with my migraines. That was the whole thing it was about I had this is going to sound nuts to people who think I'm nuts, but I'm going to say it anyway. I had a circle of serpents that appeared in front of me and they were all intertwined around each other and they came closer and closer to my forehead and in the middle of them was a bright light and it came right down onto my forehead and I started to feel afraid, as one does in a deeply altered state of consciousness sometime, and I was kind o

f backing off and I said I want this to stop. And a voice said to me just shut up and get out of our way, we're trying to help you. And I said okay and I surrendered and I let it go the full course. The net result is that in the three weeks since then, when I might have taken 15 or 20 of those pharmacotical medicines, I've taken one, just one, and I can't help associating it directly with that ayahuasca experience and focusing my intention. Ayahuasca has been studied since the 1930s, before Big

Pharma even became a thing and scientists were working towards understanding jungle plants and their medicinal values. So for over 90 years this, this plant, has been studied. Thousands of professionals are going down to the South American Amazon every year to do ayahuasca ceremonies Of course there's the overcoming of certain habits, negative patterns, addictions, but as you look through the literature you'll see that the most commonly reported benefits are reversing in depressive and anxious h

abits over long periods of time. So we're talking about about more than six weeks later, checking in after a ceremony and people recording a much better overall mood in their life. There's an increase in neurogenesis. More neurons are being produced. Neuron density of dendrites are increasing with imbibing ayahuasca. What role exactly do neurons play in the brain? Do they help us think? So neurons are the brain and nervous systems legos. They are pretty much the building blocks of this very elab

orate superhighway that communicates with electrical and chemical signals. They're the primary cell. There are other cells that support, but pretty much everything from a breath to a thought is all conducted by your neurons. Neurons are constantly restructuring themselves to better suit what we do in life. With exposure to ayahuasca we notice that these neurons reorganize themselves and grow in larger amount in certain areas being used by the brain over an extended period of time. The CDC says 2

9 million people in the United States have diabetes. There is some treatment hope from the natural world. Studies are being done on a rainforest vine called ayahuasca. The psychoactive plant holds a key ingredient that may reverse diabetes. Reversing diabetes. Now this is a 2021 paper frontiers of endocrinology. The exposure to harmine on viable beta cells in the pancreas. Get the functioning pancreatic cells to proliferate and regenerate more. Ultimately, this would lead to the reversing of dia

betes because you have functioning cells producing functioning proteins. So let's look at ayahuasca and its modern cultural context. Ayahuasca has three definitions. One, ayahuasca just means vine of the soul. Literally it just refers to the vine, the benasteriopsis capivine. It can also be seen Ayahuasca refers to the brew, and there are over a hundred different types of brew. Some of them just contain vine, some of them contain vine and commonly the chakruna leaf. Some contain different variat

ions of mimosa, some contain bogansana, some contain cat's claw. There are over a hundred different types of ayahuasca, so this highlights that ayahuasca is actually a whole entire farm of copia, that each type of brew supports a different type of mental, emotional, spiritual illness. There's actually a large sense of discretion on the type to use and for the type of dieta or ceremony to take place. So when you leave the western New Age bubble of ayahuasca, we learned that in its more, I guess,

native context it's a whole pharmacy of healing. Exactly this is the tribe's understanding of how to utilize the jungle to heal. This is a very ancient, disciplined, context-dependent and complex system. Let's expand a little bit. Could you please tell us about the Church of Santo Dime? 25-year-old Lauren has come from Colombia to take Dime for the first time. I'm here to experience it. I've never tried it before. As they start to sing, the group begins to feel a powerful sensation of harmony. S

o the Santo Dime Church is a religious organization that has legalized the practice of drinking ayahuasca. The type of ayahuasca that they drink is more diluted and is typically with the vine and the trachruna. They hold ceremony, they combine elements of Catholicism and indigenous spirituality and they use this psychedelic substance to promote growth, healing and communion with nature and spirit. And that's a legally established church. Yeah, it's legally established in originally Brazil, and t

hen it moved to different parts of the world, including the United States. Beyond the official organizations, such as the Santo Dime Church, you also notice there's a lot of ceremonies almost everywhere these days, even inside cities and people's living rooms, and everyone seems to be becoming some kind of a shaman. It's almost like we're this new age connecting with an ancient tradition. There's this paper 2021, in frontiers in psychology, called Psychedelics, sociality and Human Evolution, and

in there they speak to the ancestral species of Homo sapiens inevitably encountering and ingesting psychedelic mushrooms throughout our evolutionary history. Hominins are all the species and subspecies of humans and chimpanzees. It excludes gorillas, particularly important because it includes all of our evolutionary ancestors. So Homo sapiens evolved 200,000 years ago and this paper is looking at the Pliocenera, which is 5.3 to 2.6 million years ago. Around this time, different types of geologi

cal and environmental evidence Hominins started coming out from the trees and utilizing the forest floor for food and therefore increased their amount of fungi that they eat. Within this whole diet of fungi were psychedelic mushrooms. It's very likely that our Homo sapien ancestors our human being ancestors were about 5.1 million years have incidentally ingested psychedelic mushrooms, and so they speak to an evolutionary timescale how this incidental use of these bioactive mushrooms led to ritua

l use as human culture was developing. They backed this up by stating psychedelics had a way in enhancing sociality, imagination and eloquence, and they suggest that it's this ability increase that supported their overall adaptability in fitness. So when I look at this timescale and I read psychedelic mushrooms, I can easily read plant medicine just in general, that over time, incidental use of plant medicine in all its forms eventually led to ritual use of plant medicine and eventually institut

ional use. When you say we are this new age connecting to this ancient tradition, it's a tradition that very likely transcends the Homo sapien species itself, which is kind of psychedelic to think about. This whole arc of interest to reconnect back to this ceremonial practice has to do with people waking up and remembering something, and even if on the personality level people are speaking of woo-woo wording, I personally see it as people wanting to reconnect to something a lot deeper. And then,

of course, there's the prevalence of DMT in pop culture Joe Rogan, the Grateful Dead, terence McCann and Timothy Leary. A rhythm in modern culture over the decades. And there's also this new thing coming out of the Big Island of Hawaii which is microdosing the ayahuasca vine itself. So there's something about the healing ceremony that we seem to be taking little bits and pieces out for their own value, that they offer and Finding, finding something there. And you mentioned earlier about this. C

onnecting to source, connecting to God, I've always heard of put like DMT is kind of that chemical, the spirit molecule by by dr Rick Strassman certainly like a spiritual business trip. I've also heard it 15 minutes with God and you come back the Amazon is their pharmacy. They know every plant, every tree. They understand all their properties there. They're real experts in working with it. I'm a neurological mess, you know, but I'm grateful to the fact that I've had three weeks now of relief fro

m these horrific Migraine symptoms and I can't help feeling that that this ayahuasca session had a lot to do with it. And it's the DMT in ayahuasca which is which is Undoubtedly the active ingredient. The mystery, and why it's science, is that the other ingredient of the brew is the ayahuasca vine. So I've done ayahuasca a few times and my very first time was the stereo typical Blow me out of my body suddenly traveling throughout the universe. Eventually I had to learn that I needed to anchor my

self into my body with my breath, because my Consciousness just wanted to just leave and to go. And in the beginning it did leave and did go. And when I came back, it was because I heard a scream echoing throughout the jungle valley below me. As I came back, that sound was pulling me in and suddenly the shaman started making some music and I realized that that scream was me. That scream was a unique sound I came from, inside of me. Where I was coming from was this infinitely helix spiral that fe

lt like DNA, could have been a vine, but as I've come to interpret it later, ayahuasca itself was helping me open this door to see what was inside. But then I had the key to actually Solving the problem. The plants just show us what's going on. We have to do the work. That's why ayahuasca helped me discover the essence and importance of sovereignty, because up until that point I was always trying to outsource the hard work. Oh, I'll hire someone to do it. Oh, I'll take a pill for it? Oh, I'll sm

oke weed for it. There's a solution that's outside of me. When really it all happens, it all takes place inside of us, both the damage and the healing. We have to take Responsibility for the work that needs to be done, and that is the essence of sovereignty, in my opinion. So let's distinguish between the components of the ayahuasca brew there is primarily two Ingredients. You have TMT, which is sourced from things like chakruna and mimosa hostilis, and then add the copyvine. Now in my story. I

took the first cup from the shaman and it was very liquidy. I didn't really feel much but I did get the purge aspect which in later ceremonies I would find is awesome. But the second cup I got, that was on my own volition. He asked does anyone want another cup? Now is feeling gross, and I was tired and I was frustrated. I didn't have coffee that day. But I said no, jordan, you've wanted to do this for so long, go have that second cup. So I went and had that second cup and he gave me a thicker on

e, and that thicker one was what I would Find out later has more of the DMT in it, the chakruna, suffice to say. After that second cup, I blasted off. The copyvine has the harmala alkaloids which support the uptake of neurological influencing chemicals, neurotransmitters, dmt, all I knew about in the beginning was chakruna, the DMT plant. I had read the spirit molecule by Rick Straussman MD and I learned it was the connection to source chemical that they speculate is what releases when you dream

and before you die. This was speculation I had heard about, but I'd never experienced before. I had never even smoked DMT before my first ayahuasca experience. So the chakruna plant has all the DMT in it. But if you were to just eat the plant, nothing would happen. You need what's called an MAO inhibitor to actually digest the DMT and that's where copyvine, the ayahuasca vine, comes in. And so that the body doesn't break it down and absorbs it. The MAOI augment the digestive tract and support t

he continued binding of the DMT. After my first few ceremonies and recognizing the difference between this more liquidy brew and this thick, chunkier brew, I started asking myself maybe there's something more to the non-psychoactive ayahuasca vine. So in the lush green heart of the Amazon rise the banisteriapsis copyvine. As you can see here, it's like it's got some bark to it and these kinds of vines are known as liana and these are pretty fast growing. As far as vines go, if you see here they

will pair up with one another and grow all the way up through the canopy into the sunlight. We have here. These are the ayahuasca flowers. They're very white, they have calluses on the bottom and the outside and they have very beautiful smell and a very particular type of pollinator type of bee. A cool story I heard. Dennis and Terence McKenna brought the cappy vine to Hawaii in the early 70s and most of the vine that grows here are from the same exact cuttings. There are, I believe, about six t

o 10 different subspecies of banisteriapsis cappy. Also, there are other types of species within the banisteriapsis genus and other related plants as well. I personally think it's really funny that the vine emoji in your smartphone text messaging is indeed a banisteriapsis copyvine. This vine isn't just a botanical wonder, it's a living, breathing part of the rainforest complex tapestry. A great movie to watch, and I strongly recommend it Embrace of the Serpent, and it describes a story of how t

he South American native people ultimately and courageously trusted the medicinal knowledge of plant medicine to be spread into colonized society. Okay, now we're gonna dive into the chemistry a little bit, and bear with us, because this leads to a really interesting point we're gonna make at the end here. The banisteriapsis copy has the MAOIs. Maois in the vine are a classification of drugs known as beta-carbolines. The beta-carbolines that are inside are a family of molecules known as harmala

alkaloids. So what are the harmala alkaloids? Alkaloids are any class of a nitrogenous organic compound of plant origin which have pronounced physiological actions on humans. For example, caffeine is an alkaloid, nicotine is an alkaloid, morphine is an alkaloid. So the harmala alkaloids is a family of alkaloids that are all structurally similar to one another and can act as this MAO inhibitors or something like DMT. They inhibit the breakdown of monoamines. Monoamines are typically going to be y

our neurotransmitters. Neurotransmitters are things like dopamine, serotonin, acetylcholine, norepinephrine. And these neurotransmitters span function completely of the body. So right, you have your dopamine and your serotonin. Dopamine and serotonin are feel-good molecules. You have your histamines and your aldopa and tyramine. You also have your epinephrine and norepinephrine. Epinephrine and norepinephrine regulate stress. So in each of these cases you have action reward molecules, you have s

tress regulating molecules and you just have regular functional neurotransmitters that regulate immune functions or cadmium rhythm blood pressure. So if you have MAOI in the system, the neurotransmitter will bind more often. Instead of producing one signal it may produce two and over a systemic environment of the nervous system you might have an overall general increase in the activity of your neurotransmitters. So these neurotransmitters, the MAOI, is systemically affecting your health. So what

this means is that, systemically, many of your neurotransmitters are now performing at a slightly higher rate. So MAO inhibitors affect your enthysiology on multiple levels. But where it gets fun is MAOIs also affect the effectiveness of DMT dimethyltryptamine. One of the interesting things about endogenous DMT, and especially with this discovery in such high levels in the brain, is that it may be the endometrics. It could be kind of regulating everything all of the time. What do you mean by th

at Regulating everything all the time? It could be. The way we interact with reality is through endogenous DMT, which is always at a steady level. You know why does the brain make DMT? What's the function of it? You know there's the possibility we have a DMT neurotransmitter system like serotonin or dopamine, in which case you know what is it doing. Because of the harmala alkaloids, your entire body is functioning at a heightened state already, but then you're increasing the effectiveness with D

MT. So thus far we've learned the difference between chakruna the DMT containing plants of ayahuasca, and copivine, which contains the harmala alkaloids. But we still want to know how are these religious experiences created when we ingest ayahuasca? And that's where copivine enters the equation at a more significant level. In July 1990, terrence McKenna gave a talk called man Thinks, god Knows. God Knows man Thinks. Based around hallma. The same stuff, same word. And from there flattery argues t

hat it was Pagaman harmala, that it was harmaline, that it was not a mushroom, that it was a higher plant. Apparently, in the Avestan classical period no one would have dreamed of having a spiritual experience without resort to drugs. They just put it very plainly. They're the most matter-of-fact people. They say you know, here's our map of the spirit world, entirely based on our drug experiences, and here are the drugs we use. And to see these angels, you must use this drug, and to see these an

gels this drug, and so forth. We don't really know what these drugs were because the etymologies are lost. But harmaline figures very strongly in all of this. And of course, harmaline is a neurotransmitter present in human metabolism. In fact, this transformation of language from something heard to seen that I was talking about, I believe, is a one or two gene mutation, because in the human pineal gland there is a compound called adenoglomerotropine. That's what the enzymologists call it. But wh

en you show it to a plant biochemist he says it's 6-methoxy-tetrahydroharmaline. And so it is Adenoglomerotropine and 6-methoxy-tetrahydroharmaline are the same thing. Well, it's a psychedelic harmony in alkaloids, similar to what's in Pregelman-Harmala. It could be converted to DMT by a simple methylation. Well, a one gene mutation would make the methylation possible. Attention, consciousness, cultural values we don't know how many times, since the invention of language, there have been signifi

cant mutations in the chemistry of the nervous system that have created significant changes in cultural programming. So there's something historical about harmaline, with the harmala alkaloids, but even the ancients had their finger on. So what Terrence brings up here is, when it comes to something like ayahuasca, could it be that we're asking the wrong questions? As I interpret what Terrence says here, it literally could have been language and culture itself that made harmaline alkaloids able t

o affect our brains in the way that it does this. Further, stephanos point from the beginning of this episode that we have been evolving alongside of these plants that we use for these spiritual purposes. It hasn't been just a biological evolution, it has been something much deeper and much greater. As someone who's had a very extensive relationship with cannabis over the years, I like to compare copyvine and ayahuasca to CBD and THC. Before you ever smoked or just took CBD, you only knew what i

t was to smoke the whole cannabis plant, which had both. But when you start to separate the two, which is what the industry has done now, you can do pure THC, you can ingest pure CBD and you really can see the difference and how you can see that there's maybe a time and place for both or maybe you don't like one of them. Very similar with copyvine and ayahuasca. Once you start separating these two things you can. In my experience I've noticed that all the greatest parts about ayahuasca beyond th

e super intense macro dosing healing experiences, which I don't refute, but they're really intense Copyvine is a way to stay sober and continue to raise your awareness and lighten yourself in a very natural way, working with plants. And if you do want to have some fun, it potentiates other substances such as caffeine, cbd, thc, and you can use your imagination what else? It also potentiates meditation and exercise. You can feel yourself just a little bit better. Take some time in the beginning,

but as you build that routine it's pretty mind blowing. Taking just the vine is legal According to the DEA. It is in a controlled substance at all. Ayahuasca vine is non-psychoactive, it's non-imparing, it's completely functional. There are two main ways to learn from these plant allies Big doses, which last hours and hours. They're very impairing, very profound, and micro doses, and the main effect of a micro dose is really just a general uplifting of the spirits. You don't feel anything like d

elic, hallucinogenic, anything to that degree you don't see things or think differently, but everything feels like it has more clarity. In fact, I wish I was on a micro dose right now. When I take a gentle dose of copyvine, I'm supplying my body with a small amount of MAO inhibitors that gently increase all these neurotransmitter functions. This results in a very gentle perspective and over time, creates a new level of awareness that is integrated into life. The major five things that copy does

is one it supports the potentiation of those neurotransmitters. So now neurotransmitters are working more effectively, they're causing a bigger effect on the body. With that, you also affect the way your body changes. So in the case of exercise your body will secrete different types of hormones around norepinephrine and epinephrine, and with the MAOI the effect from exercise is also potentiated. The reduction in stress after exercising is increased, lasts longer as you take MAOI Stimulant tolera

nce. Usually we take coffee, we take tea, other types of stimulants, even in cases of Ritalin and Adderall and essentially in most cases you have a larger secretion of dopamine of stimulation. And so what happens is you chemically alter your environment to be able to withstand the effects of this increase in stimulation. So you get what is known as a tolerance to the stimulant effect. Now there of course becomes the days where you need more coffee and you develop your stimulant tolerance even fu

rther. And then you drink into your fifth cup, you develop it even further, you drink your sixth cup and you start to realize this is not working. You have to take a break. You have to take a coffee break, and everyone dreads the coffee break, right? Because you don't feel like doing anything at all, you get a really bad headache. You feel extremely sluggish. Some people might feel like they'd rather die. But when you take an MAOI inhibitor during these times of the stimulant detox, you essentia

lly are making whatever stimulants naturally occurring, your natural dopamine levels. You're making them more effective. So instead of adding more stimulants to the chemical concoction of your neurosurgery, you're just using whatever's there a little bit more effectively and this has a great reduction in the withdrawal effects of such large loads of stimulants. It makes that transition point a lot easier on the body, on the mind. And then you have emotional extreme regulation. So as an entrepren

eur, right you have these really increased points of excitation and then fear and depression, and then excitation and then fear and depression, and so this is like an emotional roller coaster, right? So when you take an MAOI what would happen is the amplification of your heightened states and your depressive states, kind of smooth out and kind of live more in a buffer. And then we go into emotional flexibility and durability as a really great advantage to taking copy. I know in people with ADHD

it's typically a difficult thing for a person to jump from one emotion to the next. Each emotion represents a type of mode, let's say, to go from very focused work, deep work, the deep focus, and then coming out of that and having a conversation with your boss about it. These are two different parts of the brain, and so what an MAOI inhibitor does, what Poppy does is it really helps the process of going from one emotional focus to the next, from one emotional state to the next, because, again, y

ou have a greater supply of neurotransmitters to utilize as you transition from one emotional state to the next. Also, with that, essentially a type of emotional flexibility would be failure. Things are working, it's great, you can keep working. Things are working, it's great, let's keep working. But when you fail, it's like shoot, do I want to keep working on this or do I want to pivot? And then you have doubts, then you have fears, and then you have yada, dadada, dadada. When you are taking co

py, once again, you have more neurotransmitters to pull upon. Your ability to feel and remember why you're doing this becomes more pertinent in your reality, in your functioning self. And so comes with taking a copy at the microdose level. We're talking about being able to endure habits that maybe you want to emphasize. Instead of working for maybe an eight hour shift, you want to pull a nine hour shift, you've got to teach your body to withstand that new level of stress. When you take the MAOI,

you are indeed allowing yourself to train yourself more effectively because you are pulling on a greater number of neurotransmitters. And something really interesting here that Stefano brings up is the increase in neurogenesis, which is nerve growth, meaning the more Iowascavine you take, the more regeneration of your nerves. And what is our nervous system? But our whole experience of reality? There's a saying the only thing we ever really experience in this life is our own nervous system, beca

use that's where our human experience comes from. Sensory input. So in a very real way, copifying, supports, building your awareness in this life Kind of trippy when I think about it that way. So when you microdose harmala alkaloids, you're essentially experiencing your body at a subtly increased volume and over time that is integrated into your general life experience, because our body is our fundamental interface for reality and life. And from a practical perspective, this is the theory of why

it helps with overcoming addiction, because it leads to less intense withdrawals. You're replacing the bad habits with neurogenesis, nerve growth. What MAOI does is it helps you just feel what's happening inside you more effectively. What's already happening is happening at just a slightly higher level, so you still have to choose to go into that ninth hour. It just now. You feel maybe a little bit more of resource because you're able to feel your body a little bit more. You're able to really c

onnect to yourself a little bit more. As you connect to yourself, you feel your body's own energy. This kind of helps you remember why you're doing everything. Your reasons become more effective. It's not like taking out or all. It's not like taking some sort of stimulant. Matter of fact, if your adrenals are really worn out, you might feel sleepy. Some people, they take this at night in order to help them go to sleep, in order to help them rewire their circadian rhythm. So it's almost like you'

re putting yourself in a more malleable state for the choices you're about to make or the DMT that's about to kick in in the big dose context. You are entering a more malleable state, and with this more malleable state it's easier to achieve something like a flow state where there is this level of listening and action that are closely tied together, and it's easier to go into that very deep performance level connection with your work, with life. And so the copy not only is it helping you connect

to yourself, it is helping you connect to the world. And there's one more thing that I want to state is, with the quality of feeling comes the quality of remembering why you're doing things. So, as you feel yourself, it is a very specific choice point to speak from what is happening inside you. People talk about my authentic truth. So there's this authentic truth that lives inside us, and so whether or not to speak from it is always a choice. As we connect to what is authentic for us, we start

to recognize that, yes, we are part of a bigger picture. Being part of that bigger picture is our connection to nature. It has been recently stated that the happiest people live in Denmark, and it's for this exact reason they have a relationship with nature. Now, do they need copy in order to be happy? No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying they have a staple in their culture that honors and recognizes the experience of being connected to the natural environment, to the earth, the act of app

reciating the natural world, all its beauty, preserving it, making it a part of life. The overall message that I've learned from this plan, because it's very interesting. Jordan, this plant just wants to grow. It takes so little effort for it to grow and if you leave it alone in the jungle, even if the weeds grow over it, it'll find the way through the weeds. If you leave it in a place that's heavily bushed, it'll find its way into a tree, climb its way onto the canopy. It's so easy to grow that

I can only think that this plant has a consciousness of its own and it wants to help people. As I talk to Shamans and Peru, I'm currently helping out a family in the Shippewa community. They all recognize that, yes, this plant has a consciousness and you can hear it in the songs that they're really trying to connect to this consciousness of the plants as they patiently listen and experience our world, just waiting for us to connect to them. That this copy is really a doorway into that and it's

ever so gentle that it's not about having these very large experiences where your whole life changed. I'm talking about copy, helping you directionally, day by day, layer by layer. Maybe you reflect that night at how wonderful your day was and you begin to live a little bit closer to the appreciation of life Again. This plant, or just plant allies in general, has been in relationship with humans for longer than Homo sapiens have set foot on Earth. And in this day of AI, in this day of falling as

leep with your phone next to you, technology exponentially taking the large bulk of our attention, now more than ever I really think people can use these plant allies to help them really remember that natural connection inside to the world and even to the other world, the spirit world, the world of imagination, the world just beyond this world that we all rejuvenate from. And so, to my dear listeners, I strongly recommend you open up ears and hearts and it moves you to really try out the copy an

d see if it really helps. So I hope this episode has been somewhat enlightening and you've learned something new, and maybe it gives you a new perspective on this whole trend and hype that is ayahuasca. It is really a powerful thing. Out there in the world, thousands and thousands of years old, humans have been working with the copyvine and I have nothing but gratitude for the plant world, for the universe, for God who made it. However you choose to look at life, we live in a very spectacular wo

rld and the experience of our consciousness seems ever infinite, and I, for one, wanted to continue exploring my consciousness in new ways, through my body, through my mind, through my emotions, through plants, through creating content, through meeting people, community networking all these beautiful things. Thanks for watching. If you learned something from this, I appreciate you sharing with a friend that you think might also learn something from this. Many people believe this is the path to c

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