Therapist Reacts to Bruno from ENCANTO

Jonathan: Throughout history, the person that people fear or the group of people that people fear, they become caricatures, and they become less human, and then it's okay to fear them. Camilo: ♫♫ Rats along his back ♫♫ ♫♫ When he calls your name ♫♫ ♫♫ It all fades to black ♫♫ Jonathan: The people who are the "black sheep of the family", they still want to be part of the family. The family decides, even if it's subconsciously, this person is the problem. Every gift helps your family. But if

your family doesn't value it and doesn't understand it, that's on them. That's not on you. Mirabel: Bruno left our family because you only saw the worst in him. Abuela: Bruno didn't care about this family! Mirabel: He loves this family! Bruno: But, um... But I love my family, you know? Alan: Welcome to Cinema Therapy. I am Alan Seawright. I'm a professional filmmaker who needs therapy. Jonathan: And I'm Jonathan Decker, licensed therapist who loves movies. Alan: Oh, we need to introduce our

guest. Jonathan: And this is Gandalf. Alan: This is Gandalf the White. He's been my friend through many travels. Jonathan: What are we doing today? Alan: We didn't talk enough about Bruno. Jonathan: We barely talked about Bruno. And by popular demand, I'm taking it, because people were asking. Alan: People have been asking us to talk about Bruno. Pepa: We don't talk about Bruno. Mirabel: I know. Alan: Sooooo.... we're going to talk about Bruno. Jonathan: All right. Bring it on. Abuela: Such

a perfect match. Isabela: So perfect. Abuela: So good for the Encanto. Alan: So this... like, one of the things I wanted to talk to you about is... even before he had... sort of separated himself from the family, he was really cut off from the family by... Jonathan: Where he lived. Alan: His tower. Jonathan: Yeah. Mirabel: Casita... Can you turn off the sand? Casita: [regretfully declines] Mirabel: You... can't help in here? I'll be fine. Alan: Not in a magic room, apparently. Mirabel: For you

. For Abuela. Maybe a little for me. Alan: It's one of the all-time great jokes. Mirabel: Find the vision. Save the mir-ACKLE! Alan: And they didn't have to go so hard. And they did it for us. Jonathan: Oh, gosh... Alan: Look at this. She pulls sand out of her eyelids... Jonathan: Ewwww. Alan: It makes me itchy. Oh, so good. Jonathan: She's approaching the door to his bedroom. I'm just thinking of... The whole phrase, black sheep. Like there's someone in every family that doesn't... Alan: Paus

ing for one second. Mirabel: But at least I'll have a friend. No. He flew away immediately. Alan: Sorry. Just another great line. You were saying, Approaches the door to the bedroom. Jonathan: Oh, just... Hang on. This is... I relate to this. Mirabel: ... another way to... ...get so high, 'cause we're magic. But no. Magical how many stairs fit in here. Bruno! Your room is THE WORST! Jonathan: A lot of families have someone that they kind of keep out of the way, that they're not... Alan: The

black sheep. Jonathan: Yeah, the black sheep. We talked about this in our last Encanto episode, but at least Mirabel is welcome. Alan: Oh, yeah. Jonathan: At least Mirabel is part of the family. Alan: Yeah. Jonathan: Bruno is completely on the outside. And you see this a lot where someone has a lifestyle or they have a belief system, or they have a worldview that doesn't fit in at all with the rest of the family. And it's like, well... Alan: Well, you're not welcome here anymore. Jonathan: Yea

h. That, that, whatever it is... Like, they say nothing trumps family, but far too often there is... Alan: There's an ideology or there's something that trumps family. Jonathan: Yeah. Mirabel: If Brunnn... If he had a vision about someone, what would it mean? Pepa: We don't talk about Bruno. Mirabel: I know. It's just hypothetically, if he saw you... Pepa: Mirabel, please. We need to get ready for the Guzmans. Mirabel: I just want to know if it was generally positive or less positive. Feli

x: It was a nightmare! Pepa: Felix! Felix: She needs to know, Pepi. She needs to know. Pepa: We don't talk about Bruno. Felix: He would see something terrible, and then... Crack! Tick-tick-tick-tick boom! It would happen. Pepa: We don't talk about Bruno. Mirabel: What if you didn't understand what he saw? Felix: Then you better figure it out because it was coming for you. Pepa: ♫♫ We don't talk about Bruno-no-no-no-no ♫♫ Jonathan: So the idea is that he says something that comes true, lik

e, he creates it instead of it's going to happen anyway. Alan: It's going to happen anyway. Felix: ♫♫ It was our wedding day ♫♫ Alan: Yeah. You could just as easily perceive this as like, Oh, he's giving helpful warnings beforehand. Jonathan: Yeah. Alan: To prepare for a thing that's going to come. Pepa: ♫♫ ... walks in with a mischievous grin ♫♫ Alan: But, you know, human nature is not that. Pepa: ♫♫ Are you telling the story Or am I? ♫♫ Felix: ♫♫ I'm sorry, mi vida, go on ♫♫ Jonathan: Thi

s is my favorite line of the whole song. Alan: I'm gonna just break into the song this whole time. It's such a catchy tune. Pepa: ♫♫ In doing so he floods my brain ♫♫ Felix: ♫♫ Abuela gets the umbrella ♫♫ Pepa: ♫♫ Married in a hurricane ♫♫ Jonathan: But you see this also in families like this family, that are accustomed to not talking about the hard things, they're conflict avoidant, they like... they like to hide behind this veneer of perfection. And everything comes up passive aggressivel

y. And then you have someone who speaks the truth and people see them as a jerk or as a problem, instead of, They're trying to help. Camilo: ♫♫ Seven-foot frame ♫♫ ♫♫ Rats along his back ♫♫ ♫♫ When he calls your name ♫♫ ♫♫ It all fades to black ♫♫ ♫♫ Yeah, he sees your dreams and feasts on your screams ♫♫ Jonathan: Well, and how scary Bruno looks in these... in this projection. Alan: Yeah. Jonathan: And throughout history, the person that people fear or the group of people that people fear,

their character... they become caricatures and they become less human, and then it's okay to fear them. Alan: Right. ♫♫ Just like he said! ♫♫ ♫♫ He said that all my hair would disappear ♫♫ ♫♫ Now look at my head! ♫♫ ♫♫ No, no! Your fate is sealed... ♫♫ Alan: I didn't notice the glint on his head before. That's hilarious. Jonathan: Some of this isn't gifted prophecy. It's. Dude, you were getting middle-aged. You were going to get a gut. Alan: Yeah. Isabela: ♫♫ ...would be promised and some

day be mine ♫♫ Alan: And again, you didn't do anything about it. He told you, and you just go, Okay. Isabela: ♫♫ ...my power would grow ♫♫ ♫♫ Like the grapes that thrive on the vine ♫♫ Jonathan: Well, in various cultures and various traditions and various work.. you know, sacred books of different world faiths, the people who foresee the future are stoned or crucified or persecuted. And then we have this prophets of doom is what they're called, right? But we have a similar thing. We treat sc

ientists like this today. Alan: Sure. Yeah. Jonathan: Oh, you're telling me something I don't want to hear. Alan: Climate change sounds gross. Let's not talk about that. Jonathan: And so then we attack the people instead of the message as a warning, you know? And so... ♫♫ No clouds allowed in the sky ♫♫ And we do this in our families. As I was saying, some people try and be a voice of reason and say what they see is happening. And we would rather stay in our shells. And then things escalate

and get worse until we can't run from them anymore. That doesn't mean someone who speaks their mind is always right, but it does mean that it's a healthy thing to say what's going on and what you're observing. Mirabel: ♫♫ Why did I talk about Bruno? ♫♫ Jonathan: See, now she sees it as, I talked about Bruno and brought the curse on myself. [knocking] Agustin: Miraboo, got your party pants on? Because I...ggghhh-- Mirabel: I broke into Bruno's tower. I found his last vision. The family is i

n trouble. The magic is dying. The house is breaking. Louisa's gift is fading. And I think it's all because of... me? Pa? Jonathan: Her dad voiced by [Wilmer Valderrama], who played Fez on That 70's Show. Alan: I know, he's so great. Agustin: [Abuela] wants tonight to be perfect. Until the Guzmans leave, you did not break into Bruno's tower. The magic is not dying. The house is not breaking. Louisa's gift is not fading. No one will know. Just act normal. No one has to know. Dolores: [squeaks

] I know [squeaks] Mirabel: She's going to tell everyone. Alan: She's going to tell everyone. Jonathan: But that's the thing about conflict avoidance is it's... it buys you time. But what it's buying you is, when this all comes to a head later on, and I know because I have this problem... Alan: It's going to be worse. Jonathan: It's going to be so much worse later on. And that's what her dad's doing. He's packing it all up and he's like, Let's just not deal with this right now. Let's just...

And we hope it'll just go away, and it never goes away. And so it's important to learn how to navigate conflict. Which is why we have a course on it on our membership site right here. Fight Less, Connect More. Check it out. Alan: One of the things I loved about this scene, and it's something that Lin-Manuel Miranda does really, really well, and of course he didn't do all the choreography and everything. There were other choreographers and there's animators and people doing stuff. But he

wrote a song that is a very musical theater, you know, building-up-to-a-crescendo song where people are singing over the top of each other. The directors, animators and choreographers for Encanto just leaned right the hell in and they were like, Okay, so we're going to have everyone dancing around this table that's in a blacked out room. It feels like it's on a stage. Jonathan: Yeah. Alan: You know, you could easily see this in the middle of Hamilton or whatever stage production, the dress

er is plunked down and she's arranging the things and it's on the little turntable and it's spinning around and everyone's dancing around her. Alan: It just feels... Jonathan: Yeah. Alan: ...in the best possible way, like musical theater, but it does it in an animated cinematic way, which is super fun. And that's one of the things I love about all the musical numbers in Encanto. All of them have those very stagy moments. A lot of them are also very, very cinematic and big. But they also, y

ou know, obviously all of these people really love musical theater, which is super fun. Jonathan: It's like Les Miserables One Day More, where they all have their different parts and at the end it all just kind of converges. Alan: And it's all tumbling over itself. Jonathan: Yeah, yeah. Super cool. Alan: That also fits with the family dynamic, so it's doing multiple storytelling tasks. It's like these people know what they're doing. Good job, Disney. We don't talk about Bruno and a lot of pe

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BetterHelp with them. Visit BetterHelp.com/CinemaTherapy That's Better-H-E-L-P. Jonathan: Click the link below and get 10% off your first month at betterhelp.com/cinematherapy Alan: BetterHelp. It's like good help, but better. Mirabel: Casita... Casita, help me. Help me! Bruno: You're very sweaty. Mouse: [squeaks] Mirabel: [shouts] Bruno: [screams] Hm... Bye. Mirabel: Hold on. Wait, wait. Ow... Why did you take the vision? Bruno: Knock, knock, knock, knock, knock. Knock on wood. Mirabel: What

does it mean? Is it why you came back? Alan: So I really want to talk to you, like... Bruno: Knock, knock, knock on wood. You were never [supposed to see it.] Alan: Can you diagnose this man? Is this OCD? Is this... I mean, there's potential, like, dissociative identity disorder here in a second. Jonathan: Yeah... Alan: Is there a lot of things or is there one thing? Mirabel: Have you been in here, patching the cracks? Jonathan: There's definitely a... Bruno: Oh, that? No, no, no, no...

Jonathan: OCD tendencies there. Bruno: All the patching is done by Hernando. Mirabel: Who is Hernan--? Bruno: I'm Hernando, and I'm scared of nothing. It's actually me. I used to say my real gift was acting. Jonathan: So not DID. Because it's... Alan: Not DID because he's acting. Jonathan: Because he knows he's acting. So awkward! Alan: How long have you been back here? Jonathan: There's definitely some... There's definitely compulsions there. Like, if I don't do this then something bad cou

ld happen and I have to do it over and over and over. Knock, knock, knock, knock, knock. He's got his whole sequence there. Bruno: I left my tower, which was, you know, a lot of stairs. And in here, eh, kitchen adjacent, plus... free entertainment. So what would you like? What do you like? You like sports? Game shows? Telenovelas? Mouse: [squeaks] Bruno: Their love could never be. Mirabel: I don't understand. Bruno: Well, because she's his aunt and she has amnesia, so she can't remember tha

t she's his aunt. It's... it's like a very forbidden... Mirabel: Don't understand why you left, but didn't leave. Jonathan: But he's so into all this entertainment, the acting for himself. All these... all these habits, because he's so alone. Alan: Yeah. Jonathan: And we don't have real connection, we sacrifice... You know, we get really into TV shows, we get really into movies. I mean, even more so than normal, we are out of balance because we don't want to have actual relationships or

we want to, but we're not. And we touched on this in our last Encanto episode, how... how heartbreaking this is. I mean, he's there where he can see, and he's got his own little table in there, his own little place at the table, that the people who are the quote-unquote black sheep of the family, they still want to be part of the family. Alan: Yeah. Bruno: Yeah. My... my gift wasn't helping the family. But... But I love my family, you know? I just don't know how to... I just don't know how to

... Well, anyway, I think you should go, because... I don't really have a good reason... Every... every... I'm going to talk over this, we already had this joke in the last one. But every gift helps your family, and helps... or can. But if your family doesn't value it, and doesn't understand it, that's on them. That's not on you. Mirabel: I just wanted to make the family proud of me. Just once. Jonathan: And they're bonding here because now they're both black sheep. Mirabel: But if I shoul

d stop, if I'm hurting my family, just tell me. Jonathan: This reminds me of something in my field known as the identified patient. Alan: Ok, yeah. Jonathan: They identified patient is that in many families there is someone who... The family decides, even if it's subconsciously, this person is the problem. Alan: Right. And so this is the person that we've got to fix and cure. And then everything will be okay. Jonathan: And then everything will be okay. We don't talk about Bruno. Very often

these people, these family members, these black sheep, they're the identified patient. Let me tell you what this looks like. Maybe a couple are fighting all the time and they're on the verge of getting a divorce. And then their teenager starts acting out, right? Starts sleeping... having a lot of sexual partners, starts using drugs, starts doing graffiti, like all sorts of stuff. And the parents are really worried. And now the parents are unified and they're worried for the kid and they s

tart to say, We would get along great if we weren't so stressed about this person. Alan: Right... Jonathan: Right? And this happens in offices, it happens in teams. This happens at sports teams. It happens everywhere. Like everything kind of hones in on this one person. And sometimes... yeah, there are problem behaviors there. Other times it's really just we're going to let this person hold all of it so that we can believe in our own goodness and our own perfection. And these people come to

family therapy and they always say the same thing to the therapist. Instead of, We don't talk about Bruno. They say, Can you fix Bruno... ♫♫ Can we fix this? Bob the Builder ♫♫ No, I'm afraid I can't. Alan: Right... Jonathan: ...Bruno is the problem. In family systems theory, you look at the interplay between all of the members of the family and how one affects the other and vice versa. And it can get very layered and very complex. Alan: I'm sure it's super convoluted, yeah. Jonathan: It's

so much easier to just label one person the problem. Alan: Right. Jonathan: But what ends up happening is if I just worked with the teen, if I quote-unquote fix the teen, then the couple would have to... Alan: Stop fighting. Jonathan: Yeah, we've still got problems, right? So this family right now has put Bruno in the identified patient role. His visions have caused all of the bad things that have happened to us. If it wasn't for Bruno, then we wouldn't have any problems. And then he leav

es to protect her, and they say Bruno doesn't care about his family. Alan: Right. Jonathan: And Bruno is this... he's got this evil gift and he's just a bad seed and a bad apple. And maybe some of you who are watching are the identified patient in your family. You're the person that holds all of the problems. You're the person who takes most of the blame. And you hear it from enough people and you start to think, Maybe it's true. Alan: Yeah. Jonathan: I can tell you categorically it is not

true. Alan: Not true. It's not true! That's impossible! Jonathan: The reason I became a relationship therapist, a marriage and family therapist, is because no person exists in a vacuum and that if you help one person, that doesn't necessarily translate into changing the system. Alan: Right. Jonathan: But the system... if the system doesn't change, like, all the dynamics between the people don't change, then this person's progress can slide back. And so you have to... you have to work with

the family in tandem, in unison, which is exactly what ends up happening here to heal the family. It's not just one person. Mirabel: Why would embracing Isabela do anything? Bruno: I don't know. Alan: So he's seen a vision that she has to embrace Isabela. And that's going to fix the family. Camilo: Mirabeeeeeel! Bruno: Oh, I think we're running out of time here. Mirabel: Not going to work. She won't hug me, ever. Ok? She hates me. Also, I don't know if you heard, I ruined her proposal. Plus

, P.S, she's just annoying. Bruno: Mirabel... Mirabel: Oh, of course it's Isabela! Bruno: Mirabel? Mirabel: What's her problem with me, anyway? She's alone with roses coming out of her-- Bruno: MIRABEL! Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry. You see, you're missing the point. The fate of the family, it's not up to her. It's up to you. You're exactly what this family needs. You just have to see it. By yourself. After I leave. Mirabel: You're not coming? Bruno: It was your vision, Mirabel, not mine. Mirabel:

You're afraid Abuela will see you. Bruno: Yep. I mean, yes. That too. Hey. After you save the miracle, come visit. Mirabel: After I save the miracle, I'm bringing you home. Bruno: Knock, knock, knock, knock, knock, knock on wood. Jonathan: So I love that he has this vision. And in the vision it's kind of like one of those images you can go back and forth and it give you two different things. Alan: Like a lenticular, yeah. Jonathan: I think, when we're dealing with other people, we're much m

ore optimistic. You know, we're trying to encourage them, inspire them. It's going to be okay. Things-- Like, when it's our own life, we're like, Everything's lost, everything's ruined, and we're never going to get it back. Luisa: I'm a loser! Jonathan: And there is something, speaking of prophets and prophecies and prophets of doom, the idea of a self-fulfilling prophecy, what you manifest, what you set out to do. We don't have full creative control over our lives. There are other factors

at play, other people's free will, circumstances, what have you. But we increase our chances of success simply by believing that we can. Alan: That's... Yeah, that is 100% true. Jonathan: Which is why whenever you say stuff like, I'm such a failure, or, This is going to be terrible. Have you seen my tail? Eeore: What's the point? Jonathan: I'm like, Alan, just come on. Believe in yourself. Jonathan: I love... Alan: It's all cover. I believe in myself so strongly, it's really upsetting. Jona

than: But Bruno is definitely like this where he has a hard time believing in himself. But he's so encouraging and loving towards her. Alan: Yeah. Jonathan: Which is why he's like, You got this. I believe in you. Alan: Bye! Jonathan: Farewell. And he, like, rolls backwards. Alan: It's such a great exit from a scene. I wish I could do that out of every room. Jonathan: Right? But what does he do? Does he land on his back on the wood? Does he does he back flip and land on his feet, like, we nev

er... Alan: I mean... Sadly, this is where my headspace is at. I'm so tired... I was like, Oh, they put a crash pad down. It's an animated film! He's not real! He didn't need to land on a crash pad. Jonathan: It's been a long shoot day, folks. Alan: Oh, boy... Guys, this is our fifth episode of the day. Bueller? Bueller? Alan: Let's watch the next one. Abuela: ♫♫ Some magic that you've got ♫♫ ♫♫ The miracle is you ♫♫ ♫♫ Not some gift, just you ♫♫ ♫♫ A miracle is you ♫♫ ♫♫ All of you, all of y

ou ♫♫ Camilo: ♫♫ Okay, so we're gonna talk about Bruno ♫♫ Antonio: ♫♫ It's Bruno ♫♫ Bruno: ♫♫ Yeah. There's a lot to say about Bruno. ♫♫ ♫♫ I'll start. Okay, Pepa. ♫♫ ♫♫ I'm sorry about your wedding ♫♫ ♫♫ Didn't mean to be upsetting ♫♫ ♫♫ That wasn't a prophecy ♫♫ ♫♫ I could just see you were sweating ♫♫ ♫♫ And I wanted you to know that your bro loves you so ♫♫ ♫♫ Let it in, let it out ♫♫ ♫♫ Let it rain, let it snow, let it goooo! ♫♫ Felix: ♫♫ That's what I'm always saying, bro ♫♫ Alan: I lo

ve that it wasn't a prophecy, but because of, like, all the weight that they've put on everything he says, even when he's just trying to be supportive. Jonathan: Yeah. Alan: His family is taking it as like, Oh no, it's this horrible thing. He ruined my wedding. It's like, You did. Jonathan: Yeah. Alan: You straight up ruined it. And he doesn't... he's not saying that here. Obviously, he's just being supportive. He's like, yay, I'm back, and everyone loves me. Jonathan: And he's like, it was

going to rain. Here in like... It just was. I didn't do anything. Well and I just realized there's a little bit of Frozen in there. Let it rain, let it snow, let it go. And then he like... But this this all is very Lin-Manuel-ish. Alan: Super Lin-Manuel. Jonathan: I love it. Alan: It's great. Bruno: ♫♫ Got a lot of apologies, I got to say ♫♫ Julieta: ♫♫ Hey, we're just happy that you're here. Okay? ♫♫ Pepa: ♫♫ Come into the light ♫♫ Agustin: ♫♫ The triplets all reunite ♫♫ Julieta: ♫♫ And no

matter what happens ♫♫ ♫♫ We're going to find our way ♫♫ Dolores: ♫♫ I knew he never left, I heard him every day ♫♫ Jonathan: Why do you think she wouldn't say anything if she knew? Alan: Seems like the world's biggest plot hole, right? Jonathan: Yeah. Alan: So a couple of theories that I've got and then one that I've heard. Either she was just feeling haunted and maybe he didn't really realize that... Jonathan: Was his actual voice. Alan: It was his actual voice she was just, like, heari

ng, This is what Bruno would say. Or she was hearing him, but she also knew that he wanted his secret protected because she heard him talking to himself about it all the time. Jonathan: She's like, I'll honor that. Alan: And so she was just like, Yeah, I'll honor that. This is actually a fun theory that I heard from Sophie, our associate producer, that maybe the house was protecting him. And so the house was like deadening the sound any time he was there, so Dolores couldn't hear him. Jonat

han: Yeah. Alan: All of this is headcanon. We don't know. Kinda doesn't matter. It's still a great movie. Jonathan: But I love when he's apologizing and they say, We're just glad that you're here. And the thing about the identified patient, we saw in our last Encanto episode, how Mirabel and Abuela, you know, mend the fences, so to speak. And Abuela takes accountability. And I love... This whole scene we're seeing that the entire family needs to make amends. The entire family has stuff th

ey've got to own or they've got to make right, or apologize for, or forgive. Everyone's got a hand in this and we don't talk about Bruno. The idea is that Bruno is the problem. He's the identified patient. And he's really not. This is an entire system of people who interact, whose choices affect one another, whose prejudices and beliefs affect one another. And in order for the family to heal, the family has to heal. It's not, Let's get Bruno some help. Alan: Right. Jonathan: And then we'll

be okay. Alan: Well, and that's... It's a movie. We've only got 2 hours, so we kind of shorthand this and it's a movie musical, so we do it all in... not even a whole song. This is like one verse of a song. Jonathan: Yeah. Alan: In your opinion, are things all good and hunky dory or do we have a lot of work left to do once we get moved back into the Casita? Jonathan: I have seen rapid change happen all at once and when it happens, it's because people wanted to forgive anyway, but there we

re blocks here. They wanted to connect anyway, but there were blocks here and here. Alan: I would assume that can often be helped by, like, major life circumstance changes like they've just had. Jonathan: Yeah. Oh yeah. Alan: That'll lead to rapid change. Jonathan: Yeah. Absolutely. Big dramatic things happening kind of help people put their priorities where they need to be. Alan: Makes sense. Jonathan: I don't think they have a lot of work from here. I do think the work now is avoidance of

slipping into old patterns that have been there for so long that they just kind of will fall into them naturally, like something will happen and they'll go, Bruno... Newman! And they'll go, Wait. Alan: Wait, no. We do talk about Bruno. Jonathan: Yeah, we do talk about Bruno. And that one's actually on me, right? It's not about the work they have ahead of them. It's about maintaining where they're at right now. Alan: Right. Jonathan: Right? And then just... and moving forward from there. Br

uno's magic is green. Caramel Apple has got green in it. This is our flavor of the week. Visit the link for details. Eat with us. Alan: It tastes like magic. Jonathan: It does taste like magic. Alan: It's really good. Jonathan: Oh, Bruno, what a great character. Alan: Bruno, we love talking about you, man. Come back anytime. Jonathan: So until next time... Alan: ♫♫ Are you telling the story or am I? ♫♫ Jonathan: ♫♫ I'm sorry, mi vida, go oooooon ♫♫ Alan: And... Watch movies. Jonathan: Mira pe

liculas. ♫♫ Seven-foot frame ♫♫ ♫♫ Rats along his back ♫♫ ♫♫ When he calls your name ♫♫ ♫♫ It all fades to black ♫♫ ♫♫Yeah, he sees your dreams ♫♫ ♫♫ He feasts on your screams ♫♫ ♫♫ We don't talk about Bruno, no, no, no ♫♫ ♫♫ We don't talk about Bruno ♫♫