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'This is a real problem': How to keep kids engaged, avoid brain drain during summer break

In the latest episode of News Moms Unscripted, KATV anchor and mother of three Beth Hunt talks to Dr. Shoutell Richardson, a principal within the Little Rock School District, about summer brain drain in children. Richardson, principal of Bale Elementary School, said some kids education regresses in the summer because they're not actively engaging their brain. "This is a real problem," Richardson told Hunt. "The research is real." On average, children lose about two months of their academic gains during the summer, she said. MORE: https://katv.com/news/local/news-moms-unscripted-real-problem-how-to-keep-kids-engaged-avoid-brain-drain-during-summer-break-anchor-beth-hunt-dr-shoutell-richardson-principal-bale-elementary-bes-little-rock-school-district-lrsd-arkansas-education-academic-gains-conversation-youtube #arkansas #littlerock #news #arnews #education #ared ©KATV, LLC

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Well, thanks for joining us here on News Moms Unscripted. I'm Beth Hunt. And today we're talking about summer brain drain in kids. This is really the idea that kids knowledge slips during the summer and they not only aren't learning any more, but they lose some of what they learned during the previous school year. I'm joined by Dr. Shoutell Richardson with the Little Rock School District. She is the principal in the district. Thanks so much for being with us today. Thank you for having me. I'm e
xcited to be here. Well, this is this is going to be an interesting conversation. I told you, this is something I'm dealing with right now. So I know that our other moms and caregivers must be as well. But before we get started, if you would, give us a little background about yourself in education and just personally a little bit about yourself being a principal here in the district. Okay. Well, a little bit about myself. I issues that I'm Dr. Sheetal Richardson. I'm the principal of Bell Elemen
tary, home of the Bobcats. Go Bobcats. I've been with the district. Now I'm embarking on my 30th year in education. I've worked in several different capacities as a principal and executive director of education. I am a teacher, of course, but most importantly, a mom. And so I think that is my first job as a teacher. And so three children of my own, my oldest being 36, my youngest being 30. So I think I've been in the mom game longer than I've been in the education gang. But I'm just excited. And
this is something that, you know, we all struggle with as parents, but also as teachers, because as we send kids out for the summer, we're often trying to encourage parents of things that they can do so that we can combat the brain, the summer brain drain, or as we sometimes call it, the summer slide in education, because we know kids regress during those couple of months that they're off during the summer because they're not actively engaging their brain and things that stimulate them to learn
. Well, I think you're the perfect person to talk today, not only because you have an education background, teach your principal, but you're also a mom. So you know all sides of this. Let's just start by talking about how real of an issue this is. Is this a real problem for kids when they go back to school in the fall? This is a real problem. You know, I was just talking to a colleague of mine of mine just a couple of days ago, and we were talking about the brain drain or the summer slide that w
e sometimes refer to. It is and we were talking about some of the research. And the research is real. It's been out for, you know, four years. And what the research tells us is that children on average lose about two months of their academic gains when they're out over the summer. And more specifically, research tells us that children lose about 2.6 months for math, two months for literacy. But on average, they just average it out to be about two months. But when we look at it, when they return
to school, what we see is the first six weeks of school. We're using that to try to regain what we've lost during those six months. And it takes us about six weeks of the beginning of the year of school just to regain what we've lost during the summer slide. So the research is real. The reality is real that children really are losing a lot of what they have gained over the school year during the summer. So on average, you know, about two months. So you think we go to school for nine months when
they go home for their summer break? They're losing two months of that academic gain. And when you add that up over their whole, you know, career, I guess in education from K through 12 that you're talking about months. But in the two years, that equates to years. And, you know, that's just to say, you know, if you have a student who's been engaged all year and they had missed school and they you know, they they've been on time, they've not been tardy and they've been engaged, those nine and a q
uarter months, if they have been engaged that whole time, they're a solid student. But just think if they've been absent or they've been sick or they've had COVID or anything else or they've had some extenuating circumstances, some death, then you add that to my summer slide to that. That's a lot for child. So the summer can be really, really detrimental to a lot of our kids. So that's why we have to make sure that we really go into the summer thinking, What can I do to overcome that summer lear
ning loss? Yeah, and I would imagine we'll talk about some of those things that we can do coming up in just a moment. But I would imagine coming off of the pandemic and the learning loss that we've seen there, that it's even more important to, you know, engage kids during the summer, that you are absolutely right before coming off of the pandemic. And the fact that we were not engaging with the kids personally and many of them were engaged with technology. You know, we had video games teaching o
ur children. We had, you know, we were virtual in a lot of places around the country. You and out places around the country doing COVID. And some schools were out longer than others. And we had parents who were really not equipped to educate our kids. That summer loss was was really, really hard for many of our students. Yeah. So let's let's dive into some things that parents can do during the summer. I know the number one thing that I hear from teachers is to read with your kids and that it's i
mportant not only to have them read, but you also have a conversation with them about what they are reading. And if you can just talk about the importance of all of that. Well, it's very, very important. And, you know, it doesn't take as much time as people think. On average, if you could spend about 2 to 3 hours a week with your child, just reengaging them in some things that would pique their curiosity, which would engage them in things like, for instance, practice writing. So with our young k
ids, when I started practice writing, you know, practice writing a sentence, give them a sentence, write, you know, our kindergarten first graders, give them something to write, have them go to the grocery store with you, help them, ask them to help you write the grocery list. Give them the sales papers that come out in the mail on Tuesdays with these whatever, you know, whatever they come out in your neighborhood and say, hey, you know, mom's going to go to the grocery store, We're going to go
grocery shopping. I need apples and oranges. I need cereal and have them to go through the sale paper and actually copy down what it is you're going to be shopping for. That's one way to encourage writing. Or for the younger kids, they could cut out the pictures and paste them on a piece of paper that would be a way to encourage writing for your older kids, have them to journal, have them to write about what they did during the day or what they would like to do. So just 2 to 3 hours a week, havi
ng them to write for a purpose. Also encouraging students to just be creative and thoughtful during the day. You know what? What is something that you can do to help your community? What is something that if we could take a vacation, you know, where would you want to go and have them go through? You know, everything is technology based now. Social web, Where would you want to go? How far would it take us or how long would it take us? Google, how far we would have to go, What cities would we pass
through? So using things that they're engaged in and that they're interested in to help them stay creative and also thoughtful, write a letter to someone you know, send an email to your granny, you know, get them away from the phone, don't text, or because when they text, they're using shortcuts in their language. They're using shortcuts in their spelling. So you want to get them back to writing. You know, we don't really do old fashioned letters, but I encourage my G baby to write a letter. So
I write a sample for him and I say, Hey, write your mom a letter when he's with me. Here's a sample. Write your mom a letter, and we're going to go to the post office and mail it. So you want to encourage them to be creative and be thoughtful in the things that they do. Write letters to a stranger. Let's take it to the nursing home. Other things that we want to do is we want to of course, spend time reading, taking kids to the library, making sure they have library cards taken. We would always
take a laundry basket and as many books as we could put in the laundry basket, that's how many books we would check out. So I had three kids. So I allowed your basketball would be pretty, pretty handy by the time we left. But it's just little simple things like encouraging them to read. Our read you read, we read. So I would read a book. They would find a book to read to me, and then we would read a book together as a family. So sometimes that book would be a chapter book, and it might take us t
he whole summer to read it. But we always had that that, that thought process. You read me a book, I'm going to read your book, and then we're going to read the book together as a family. So reading Summertime reading is really, really good. We would go to the library and before we checked out books, we would just sit around the library and read. My family are one of our favorite field trips. Every week was Barnes Noble's. And so in back then we always had Books-A-Million, but we don't. So we wo
uld go to Barnes Noble's and everybody would find a place in the in the bookstore, and they would just kind of lay down and lounge and we would read magazines and it was cheaper because we didn't have to buy them. We read magazines, they'd read all the books they like. But reading, writing, creating powerful experiences, and then also field trips. Now sometimes it gets too hot. It depending on the amount of kids you got, it could be very expensive. But embarking on field trips, whether they are
virtual field trips, you can log on to the Internet, go to YouTube. You know, we would go to London, we'd go to pairs, we'd go to Africa to see the animals. We would just take virtual field trips and then we'd also take real field trips. So there are four things that you can do with your kids 2 to 3 hours a week, field trips, riding, reading, and then doing something thoughtful, whether it's just sending a letter to someone in your family, going to visit a nursing home, going out to a park, or j
ust doing something just thoughtful in a neighborhood, whether it's just picking up trash or just write, like I say, writing a letter to someone you love. But all of those things encourage creative and it creates thoughtfulness and it really helps with their social emotional learning. And it seems like a lot of these, you know, real life experiences, like a field trip or something as simple as going to the grocery store. I mean, those things are fun to bear. And in many situations they learn mor
e from that and maybe they would sitting in a classroom. And that in that is true. You know, those are some of the things that we also do during the school year. You know, we try to make interesting. We try to make learning interesting to children and we try to connect real life experiences because those are the things that they connect to, You know, children are often, you know, we can open up a book, but until they see the the they see the connection to that book to their self, then it doesn't
make any it makes no sense to them. So we're always trying to make a book to book connection. We're trying to make a book to self connection in a book to real life connection. And when they can make a connection to what it is that you're expecting them to learn, then it makes sense. One more thing about the the grocery store. I would have my kids when we would say, Hey, I need groceries, I need milk, bread, cereal, whatever. But one thing that would make it real to them is I'd say, okay, you ca
n pick one thing that you want. And so you would see them go on that sale paper your neighbor would be looking for, you know, chips and candy or whatever it is. And very rarely is that in the sale paper. But, you know, their favorite cereal would always be in the sale paper. But I said, okay, that one thing you can find and if you write it on the grocery list, we would get it. And so that made it interesting. It made it real to them because they knew we were going grocery shopping and they would
get to pick one thing and it was they loved it when we'd go to Walmart because Walmart was heaven for them. So looking for things and making things interesting and giving them an opportunity to participate in what it is you're doing, whether it's grocery shopping, whether it's, you know, going to Home Depot, you know, we would use those activities to learn about math and science and measurement. And I'd say, hey, let's grab that measure. And mom needs a, you know, a piece of wood this big. And
we'd measure and they'd go in and I'd say, okay, measure is what? Even though I knew it was too large for what I needed my project, but just having them go to the store and measure things, just, you know, like I said, 2 to 3 hours of time with your kid would help to gather back those 2 to 3 months that they're losing in math and losing in reading. Because what you're doing is you're giving them real life experiences. So when they returned to school in the fall, they have things. And, you know, t
eachers said, okay, right about what you did this this summer. Now they have something to write about. They have something that's real that they can write about, that they can add a voice to. They can add tone and style, which is what our kids really struggle with when it comes to writing. You know, we say write about a field trip. Nicole I call it a field trip, but this gives them something that's real that they can connect to and they can talk about going to Home Depot imagery. Would it measur
ing lumber, which is vocabulary. And so these are things that we are rich now in that they were not written before. And it's amazing what kids the memories that they latch on to. Also a funny story I sit similarly to what you were speaking about. One of my son's teachers asked him to write about what his favorite vacation or whatever. And that year we had gone to the beach and some things that I really thought were great, and all he wanted to write about was going to the state fair, and he was v
ery descriptive about the corn dog aid and all the rides. And I thought, Oh, wow. Like that was his favorite thing. That was his favorite thing. And so part of that, you know, one of the things I did not talk about was, you know, the conversations we have with kids and one thing that with all the kids and that it may not have to be real, but are second grade when you're writing, journaling and this is one thing that I encourage all parents to do is just get a dollar notebook and have your kids t
o write each day about something that they done. They've enjoyed, they didn't enjoy. But what you'll find is it creates a connection because they can ride. And then you always ask his permission. You said, Hey, do you mind if I respond to your writing? And my daughter and I, we started this when she was about five years old and she's starting now and she and I still journal together. And so she'll, you know, she'd say, Dear mom, today I, you know, I play with a turtle with with a bear. I think t
hat was her. No, it wasn't. That may a bit morbid. And she said in the turtle was this, this, this. And so I would respond with, you know, dear, dear. I called a ladybug. Dear Ladybug, it sounds like you guys had a wonderful time playing with the turtle. Did you discover what type of turtle it was? And so I would use that opportunity to enrich our vocabulary, to ask her questions, to make her think, but then also just to dialog and keep that open conversation going. And then the next day she wou
ld write in. So I would find her going back in the journal days later looking for words that I had written that she didn't know how to spell, but she would go and find them in the journal and then she would then use them in her writing. And so we did that all the way through elementary, all the way through middle school, and that was our open communication. And so, of course, the journal gets to be, you know, a little different. The terminology and the conversations got to be a little different.
But that was our way of always having a gateway to communicate with each other. And so now, even in college and even through adulthood, she'll write me a little notes and she'll leave them on my desk or she'll send me a text make and it starts out, Dear Mom, and I'll respond, Dear Ladybug. And so it's, you know, so it's a rich way to ensure your kids are writing. They're writing for a variety of reasons, because sometimes it would be about school, sometimes it would be about the turtles, someti
mes it would be about swimming or her wanting a new dress for prom. But whatever it was, it was always a way to communicate, but it was always a way to encourage writing. So guess what? Her favorite subject is now? Writing. Writing, which you know, and I'm sitting here thinking not only a great way to encourage writing, but, you know, as they get older, too, if they continue it a great way, you know, men for their mental health just to get that feelings, that was the ultimate goal so that we wou
ld always have a communication and she would always have someone that she could talk to. And if she couldn't verbalize it, you could always put it on paper. And we started that when she was like five years old and so I did it with my boys. And of course, it didn't it didn't last long. We probably dated till they were about 12, but that was a long time for boys, you know, actually sit down and journal. And so they became more verbal after they were about 12. But, but for my daughter it's lasted u
ntil you know now she's stopped. I bet you have kept those journals and cherish. Actually, she's kept them. She kept them. And what's amazing is she took them to college with her and she says, Mom, you just don't know how many times I've gone back and read through some of those journals and relied on a lot of the advice that, you know, and things that we talked about and helped me through some really tough days. And people, you know, you know, we take for granted that our children don't listen t
o us, but they don't listen when we're telling them at the moment. But I think that as life goes on and they experience life, you know, and, you know, but it started during the summer drawings, you know, because as a teacher, I'm working. But, you know, I started doing the summer and then we just one summer and we just kept going through the school year and we found that it was something that was really helpful for both of us and it helped both of us in our and we just continued it. But writing
is something that I tell teachers. If kids can write, that means that they can synthesize everything else that they've learned, the reading, the phonics, the the content information, because writing is where everything comes together. So writing is probably one of the highest skills. So that's the application of everything that they learn. So if you can write with them and you can encourage them to write as a parent, it helps you to know where your children are thinking, but it also help you to
see if they are able to synthesize everything else that they learn. So it is really a difficult skill, but I encourage parents to do it with them and it helps you with your writing too, because you have to make sure you're a good model. But encouraging them to be thoughtful and creative, go outside, play, build things. You know, I just I go to Home Depot and Lo and just had them put me different little pieces of wood. And then I just put it out there for my little grandbabies now and just see wh
at they can make with it, you know, and encouraging them to read, you know, and go in different places. We go to Mary Park, we go to different parks, just different scenery. So when they're reading, they can hear different sounds and it just puts them, you know, reading is, you know, I always tell them reading can taking so many different places because your imagination is what you take to reading. And so, you know, sometimes we'll go to the park and we'll pretend that we're on a beach. You know
, we'll pretend that we're pirates. And so always there reading, you know, you want to give them just so many different venues and opportunities to be creative and, you know, and next thing you know, they're up with sticks and they're, you know, they're Jimmy, John, John. And they're they're they're just so, you know, you have to give them outlets to play in and only takes a couple of hours a week. Right. And I love that a lot of these things that you have spoken about are actually free. It's no
t something that's going to cost a whole lot of money. No, no. But if you're interested in spending money, you know, you can always grab a copy of kids the kids directory and, you know, look at it. It has all kinds of activities. If, you know, if you don't have the time and you want to put your kids in dance or put them in summer programs, you can always look up the kids directory. This helps to lessen the summer brain drain. But, you know, of course it's costly, but the things that I like to in
vest in are things that are of value that kids will take back with them and things that they can do when you're unavailable and you know it's free. Yeah, well, something I've struggled with this summer is having to work while my kids are at home and I'm like, I'm not there to do some of this for a better part of the day. So I have enrolled them in some summer programs and then leaned on the grandparents for a little bit of help as well. Advice for busy parents during the summer in balancing it a
ll and maybe communicating your wants to that caregiver who who's taking care of your child? Well, you know, being being an educator, one of the things I did was I always had a to do list. I always had a list on the refrigerator. And one of the things that I did was I had on there, you know, read, you know, 20 minutes a day, you know, you know, do this, you know, outside, you know. So I had those things identified. So even if they were with, you know, or they were with their on or they were with
dad because, you know, of course he he didn't always execute the plan. So, you know, I had specific times. Okay, everybody stop and read for 30 minutes. And so I had that big basket of library books that we had gone in and gotten from the public library. And so just having some specific things that you have identified in writing, because if it's committed to writing, people are more likely to do it. And so I put those things on the refrigerator. So even if they spent 30 minutes, like I said, we
're talking 2 to 3 hours a week. If they spend 30 minutes a day just reading. And I mean, you know, and if you went by Walmart or somewhere and just got some little, little thing, no books for $0.80 and spent 15 minutes writing, if they did those things and they just spent 30 minutes each day, then that would be much better than just, hey, playing video games, you know, just lounging, watching mindless TV. So if you write some of those things down and give that list and say, hey, you know, I kno
w they're going to play and they're going to do this, but I want to commit to at least 30 minutes a day where they're reading or you read to them, you know, that they're writing or just doing something academic, you know, then that would be better than nothing. Yeah, well, one last question before we run this out. You mentioned video games, so I would love to talk a little bit about electronics. You know, with parents busy at work, a lot of people use those electronics as a babysitter. How impor
tant, as an educator do you think it is to limit that screen time? And on the flip side, do you see any good in it at all? Because a lot of people have these educational apps that their kids use. So, yeah, just give me your thoughts on that. Well, of course there is great benefits and in the educational apps, you know, of course we use them in school because the reality is, you know, that's that's where our children I mean, we're not dealing I looks at star teaching 30 years ago. You know, we we
had a all white computer sitting, you know, that went really slow. But these kids are, you know, generation alpha males, you know, and this is how their brain is wired. I mean, their brain is wired to move like this. And, you know, and we talk like this. And so there is benefits to that. I encourage parents, teachers alike to limit it because we can't keep up with the speed of an app. But when they're on the apps, I encourage you to make sure it's an academic app. It's something that's geared t
oward, you know, in helping your child to read or helping them to problem solve, not just, you know, letting them get on apps that's going to be gang based all the time. There are lots of educational apps out there. One that we use is education dot com for if you have younger kids you know there's Star falls and ABC. But there are some things that really really are geared that have what we call standards based information on learning on their where the kids are it's grade level specific and the
parents can actually go in and select activities for their kids to work on. Those are the ones that I encourage. Of course, you know, they need to have some downtime where they select what they what they want because choice is very, very important for our children. They need to have some autonomy, but just have enough free for all, all the time. I think that that's not good for them because what happens is they bring that choice into the classroom. And when you give them something to do, they do
n't know how to distinguish or they don't know how to accept that. Okay, this is not a choice time. This is a teacher designated time, and I have to put aside my choice to do what it is that the teacher has expected or has acquired or has set aside for me to do. And for a lot of our children, especially our young kids, when they come to school, they've been given a choice at all times and they don't know how to separate and say, okay, this is a this is not choice time. And so that creates a lot
of, you know, a lot of issues. Yeah, yeah. Because they're like, yeah, because they're so used to having their choice in their own, their own autonomy. So, you know, giving them some things where you has that, where you as a parent have said, I need you to do this for 15 minutes. And then after you're done with that, we will discuss what your next option will be. You know, I think having parents use words like options and, you know, you have the choice between this or this or this is you don't h
ave an option this time. This is non-negotiable. I think that that is would be really helpful when it with technology because kids don't get that often. And when they come to school, they think that school is is a choice and they think everything in school is a choice. And they don't really understand non-negotiables and things that they have to do. That's not a choice. Right. Well, listen, I so appreciate your time today and all of your insight and knowledge. I think you've given parents some r
eally good tips. And here's to no summer brain drain and a good brain drain and a good school year ahead. Yeah. So we don't want that summer slide. We want kids active, but we want them to have fun and be resourceful and be creative because that's the one thing if I could say, we are, that we don't see children utilizing as much of now, and that's problem solving creativity and and thoughtfulness. You know, they, they need to have opportunities where they can create things and they can problem s
olve, you know, just giving things and say, hey, what can you make with that? You know, like we were as kids, you know, when we were you know, I always laugh. I said, you know, we had we started off with four bikes at Christmas because everybody got a bike. But by January there was only one working bike. But we took all four and we made one work. But that was problem solving. And our kids now, you know, they don't have a sense of problem solving because if something breaks, we just buy them a ne
w one. So they need opportunities to problem solve and be creative and learn to work together. And that's the one piece that we're missing. So giving them opportunities to instead of buying everybody a toy, buy one toy. Let's figure out how we can make it work for about one toy, buy for toys in one set a battery. How do you make that work? You know, it's call it exactly. I love it. Problem solving, skills, reading, writing. Let's hope that all parents, you know, try it on. Yes. Yeah. All right.
Well, thanks again for your time today. We appreciate it. Yes, ma'am. Have me back any time. Okay. Thanks a lot. Bye bye.

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