foreign so let me do a sound check real quick okay we're live okay okay
so we're going to talk about uh Tech news for the week new hardware news
probably the biggest thing that everybody's been paying attention to is the ryzen 7 7 800x
that we've had to wait pretty much like a month and a week or two since the release of the
x3d CPUs from AMD so those are available now as of today's launch day so I know the
reviews for that processor went out yesterday from all the large Tech Outlets so we'
re gonna go over kind of
like the use case for that CPU but the general rule of thumb is
it's basically the best gaming CPU that's kind of the the short and sweet
summary for those that are wandering if they should get one you know my answer to
that question would be what do you have today um what sort of games do you play you know that's basically it because if you're
having a trouble if you're not having any trouble playing games the way they are today with
your current PC and there's ob
viously no reason to really upgrade but if your PC I
would say is four years old five years old like the motherboard and the CPU then then I
would consider upgrading for like a gaming PC I guess on the flip side of that if your PC
is relatively new you know like let's say maybe Zen three Zen two uh maybe a 11th Jan
then it's probably not yeah gonna be worth upgrading at least in my opinion I don't know
I don't think there are any titles that are so demanding that you wouldn't be able to
ge
t a decent gaming experience on like a Zen 3 CPU or an Intel 11th gen rocket Lake CPU
or maybe even like a 12th gen Alder Lake CPU so um anyone older though like for
instance 10th gen ryzen 2 ryzen one uh pre-rising any kind of like Skylake uh
cabbie Lake coffee Lake all those older Intel platforms from the last you know
like the last half of the last decade I think that there's a compelling story here to do
a new PC build and then you know it gets even more easy to answer the question if y
our PC is on DDR3
then I think it's basically time to replace it or do a full system upgrade basically a new build if
you're on DDR3 so for example the AMD FX series or the Intel 4th gen Haswell or Broadwell or maybe
someone's still on Sandy bridge and they swear by their you know uncle's brother's dog that the
Sandy Bridge I-5 2500k is still good well I mean you can think that in your heart and in your mind
what the reality is no no Sandy bridge is just not good anymore hey favorite tiger
software drone
ddr1 really my first PC was ddr1 your computer froze up on memory training I did reboot of my
computer would that damage the ram no it won't you can't damage the ram the ram is a hardware
component like if you if you reboot while it's training you're just gonna have to redo the
training that's all that's going to happen uh you're gonna have to wait
a wallow it takes a while so you really on ddr1 what's what's the
platform like if assuming that's not a joke like if you still
have a ddr1 platform
I'd be curious to know what it is because I think like even isn't Intel's
first i7 well I know Intel's first i7 is DDR3 like the Nehalem but the Conroe isn't Conroe on
Intel ddr2 I'm pretty sure it's ddr2 not video uh tiger did you are you talking are you referring
to a new system build your computer froze up on memory training are you are you trying to
build were you building a 7800 x3d system we're going to talk about the reviews in a little
bit I usually for those t
hat are new to the channel or new these live streams I typically what
I do is I start the live stream I just do gentian impact dailies while I wait for the viewers to
start joining in so you know once the viewers start entering the stream then we'll
get into the reviews oh 7950x3 okay yeah the ddr5 memory training takes a while for the initial train like after after you get into Windows the subsequent
boot doesn't take that long [Music] yeah we'll be going over the reviews we'll talk
about
some things to know for those that are new to am5 or just ddr5 in general so that's
what we'll talk about in the later half stream depending on how many of the regular viewers I
get like if Joey shows up we'll probably talk about Mother awards because I know he was
asking me about public Wars the other day and then I think we'll also talk about av1 and
coding because there's a really interesting product that uh it was originally based off
well it is based off of the xyle Linux Asic but beca
use AMD acquired xylinix last year
it's now an AMD product so we'll talk about that in a little bit later on because I think
that's I you know like av1 is talked about a lot like I think that it's marketed heavily for
streamers but the reality is it's only now it's still kind of in its infant stages it's only
now starting to uh to show up in the market like YouTube allows it now but not really it's
kind of like a a closed beta test to actually do it and it's kind of tedious to get the proce
ss
going but I may do a video on that in the future for av1 I'm just waiting for it I'm just waiting
for the process to get a little bit more mature uh so that I can so the like kind of a
step-by-step process that I make in the video is easy to follow there's not like all these
crazy Hoops that you have to go through to get it you have a glitch with task manager with
Windows it's only showing the single digits if on full screen then it shows the
current speed oh uh I think you need to I th
ink you just need to to resize
the window are you on Windows 11 I think Windows 10 does that too but I think
you just need to resize the window slightly like you you just stretch the window
ever so horizontally so that it will show that yeah I think I know what you're talking
about you just have to stretch the window size a little bit and it'll just show the full thing
I think that's more just like a window sizing thing because I've I've had that on my laptop so
like on my desktop I'm usin
g Windows 10 but on my laptop I use Windows 11 because I was kind
of forced to um and yeah I've run into that what do I need to do here collect wood Google dudes over here in the back this dude this is this is the weirdest daily Quest
this makes me feel like I'm playing on MMO this quest line This Guy's having me like go find
all this stuff fight a bunch of monsters pick up the stuff off the ground this arbitrary
thing off the ground and hand it to him sounds like an old school MMO sort of q
uestline what do you think for system requirements
will be for the next version of Windows uh you know it's weird I haven't really thought
I feel like Microsoft really wants to move to a kind of like a service based OS kind
of like a live service OS which I I kind of think that's the direction that they're
wanting to go so think of like gentian impact for example it's a live service game so it's always
changing constantly with each patch update I think Microsoft wants Windows to become like
like
that so I don't know if there's going to be a Windows 12. I assume there will be there
might be like Windows 12 and then windows 13. and then then after that they might just do
like Windows 12 and then windows and then from then on like Windows 13 won't be called Windows
13 it'll literally just be Windows Microsoft Windows and they'll just always incrementally
upgrade it or update it via patches but they're going to try to find a way to monetize it in other
ways I kind of think that'
s what they want to do I don't think they want to keep making different
versions of Windows that you have to either or you have to either upgrade to because they force
you to when they end support for the older version or you know I could be completely wrong and they
could just keep making like Windows 12 13 14 Etc so so I kind of think they want to
go with like a live service OS though and they want to move away from like trying
to sell a version of Windows as a product so so all those lik
e use CD keys and those windows
those websites that sell like OEM Windows Keys those are probably gonna go away overnight if
they do that like with the next version of Windows I would assume so have you met prism [Music] yeah I thought they were gonna do that with
Windows 10 but then obviously Windows 11 came out and but have you guys noticed Windows 11
and Windows 10 structurally don't really seem that different they seem very similar like
it's I know Windows 11 got a lot of hate it seems
like every Microsoft every time there's
a new version of Windows it always gets a ton of hate up front regardless of who you're
talking to like everyone just bashes on it but then they all end up using it I think
Windows 8 was uh it's almost like every every even version of Windows does good every
odd version of no every odd version of Windows does good every even version of Windows does
bad like I feel like that's they have a they have some kind of bad luck good luck bad luck good
luck li
ke every kind of frog hop Leap Frog like Windows 7 was good so okay Windows XP was good
windows seven well Windows Vista was bad Windows 7 was good and when I say good bad I really mean
how the public perceived it so it's like Windows XP everybody loved it Windows Vista everybody
hated it Windows 7 everybody loved it Windows 8 everybody hated it Windows 10 you know it was
generally accepted because no one liked windows 8. and now Windows 11 a lot of people hate it
so it's like they're kind
of in this weird I don't know you know I just realized
Windows 10 is an even number but it's technically an odd release because there was
no windows 9. unless Windows 9 was a mobile only for the Windows phone or something
like that that's how it's always been buying from Windows XP to 7 is like 10 to
11. are you sure about that I don't think so Windows 7 was vastly different from Windows
XP the thing that I remember about Windows 7 Windows 7 was the first okay maybe Vista had
this but I ne
ver really used Vista enough to know what Vista could do or when and what it
can't do versus seven but seven was the first OS where you could you could type in the search
bar or in the start menu you could start typing something and it would go and find the thing it
would try to search for what you were looking for in the file system whereas with Windows XP
you had to literally type the full thing like for example if you wanted to run msconfig.exe you
had to actually type the whole thing li
ke you had to do start run and then type the name of the
thing you want to run like command prompt like CMD right you could you had to know what it was
with Windows 7 you actually didn't need to know the full name of what you wanted to to run you
can start typing some of it and then Windows 7 would kind of figure out or it would give you
like um some kind of suggested search results whereas Windows XP I think Windows XP if you type
it in it's wrong Windows XP would do a search and would try
to find it but it was largely useless or
give you irrelevant information so okay so let's we're done with genshin so let's go ahead and look
at some of these reviews here uh we bring this up we'll look at Tech spot first and
then we'll move on let's get out again move you have to move you guys over to the
other monitor so I can see what's going on okay okay so I know favorite has the 7950x 3D uh Windows Vista was fine if you had
more than four gigabytes well you had to be running 64 gigaby
te Vista
so so Vista was unlucky because it Vista came out in that weird transitionary
period from the 32-bit Windows OS to the 64-bit OS I know Windows XP had 64-bit and the reason why
I remember this is because my very first PC was an AMD Athlon 64 and 64 designated or denoted that it
was a 64-bit processor which means it could handle 64-bit instruction sets from the operating system
in this case that would be Windows XP and Windows XP did have a 64-bit Edition but the the reality
is non
e of the software applications at the time were using or written in 64-bit instruction sets
they didn't make use of it so and then you had this weird compatibility where like you had to
run things and you had to cross launch things in X 32 or 32-bit mode or x86 mode as opposed to
x86-64 and then Intel also was kind of hesitant to jump on board with a 64-bit thing because AMD
did it first so intel was having to play catch up so they kind of bolted it on um to like their
pentiums and stuff li
ke with the Pentium dual core so it was kind of a weird era for Vista to
exist in so I just kind of think Vista got unlucky and that's why it got a lot of hate because
I honestly don't really think it was that bad like like what met prison was saying it's fine as
long as you had the system resources and keep in mind like 2007 2008 nine that was kind of like the
Vista era and nobody really had four gigabytes of RAM back then most people had two at most a lot of
people still had one maybe som
e people were still on like 512 megabytes so it's kind of a different
era it was a weird spot for Vista um and seven looked a lot like Vista under the hood so yeah I
was just unlucky so it's almost like what I think Microsoft should probably do if they want to stick
to Windows as a product as opposed to Windows as a service I think they should just like they
should they should only do an operating system every five years so stretch it out more because I
think when they have them too close t
ogether like for instance Windows 7 was like 2009 and then
Windows 8 was 2012. it was like a three-year Gap which I don't think is a wide enough Gap
because if you sell if you try to get people to go to go to this OS you kind of want like as
someone who wants to use the operating system I want to be able to use it for a number of years
so that I don't have to keep on you know shuffling things around especially if you're someone who's
like on a business aspect if you if you support a product
that you made in software uh you don't
like the idea of having Microsoft change the operating system every three years because now you
have to go and rewrite and debug do all your stuff uh when previously you had your own road map
you were doing bug fixes and new features Etc but now okay here comes Windows 8 it's like
oh now I gotta like redo my whole thing make sure it actually works it's not buggy so you see so I
think like from a business standpoint it doesn't make sense to do OS relea
ses every three years
and I think Microsoft learned that because Windows 10 to 11 was a much wider gap between operating
systems so I think they've learned that but I I kind of think they want to do windows as a service
though so the windows 12 might be the last one system specs are 128 gigs of RAM 7950 X 3D Rog Crosshair Hero 2 terabyte nvme Windows
11 30 80 tie and 1500 watt power supply okay 100 uh what do you do like I guess my
question is what do you use the 128 gigabytes of RAM for I
mean that was the question that people
kept asking me like so I'm curious like what do you use the 128 gigs for because when I when I put
128 gigs in my system everybody was like that's complete Overkill you're never going to use that
much RAM why so for most people it is overkill I'll agree with them on that but there is there
are specific use cases where that could come in handy for example 4K video editing uh you can you
can definitely use more than 32 gigabytes of RAM and chrome tabs al
l of them Chrome tabs yeah but um you have to have a lot of
chrome tabs and the other thing too is Chrome has tried to get it so that they're not as much of a
memory hog where they'll put they'll put tabs that are inactive or you haven't you haven't accessed
or viewed in a long time they'll put them kind of like in a hibernate state where they'll basically
I guess quit pulling the site or anything so that they're not actually having to use up Ram so 10K
tabs open well it depends on the webs
ite though but yeah Chrome has tried to make some
improvements so they don't use as much RAM anymore Okay so future proofing and edit Drone footage oh yeah
is the Drone footage in 4k and it basically if you're doing 4K video editing yeah you're gonna
need a lot of ram like I would say 64 gigabytes is kind of a minimum for 4K video editing I mean
I'm using 64 right now I do want to go back up to 128. I might actually go to 96 though on two
sticks of RAM I'm waiting for the price on the on th
e 2x2x48 dimms to come down in price before I
upgrade my Ram again so for those wondering I had 128 gigs of RAM um that I had 128 gigs running
with the 7950x but then you know I got this guy the 7950x 3D you know back in on launch day
February 28th so I needed to give Ram to this so I took two of the sticks and put them in this
system so this guy's got 64 gigs and the 750x has 64 gigabytes so I've got 64 gig split across two
processors but I do want to go back up to like 96. I'm kind of aim
ing for 96 gigabytes of RAM on two
dims that way I can still run it at higher speeds the problem is the 96 gigabyte the the 48
gig dimms don't they don't run that fast because they're typically Micron I think Samsung's
starting to manufacture them as well but they're not going to run that fast you're looking at
like 5200 maybe 5600 so I'm aiming for 5600. I think like 6 000 6 000 megahertz on
96 gigs of RAM might be possible but we probably won't see those until the end of the year you star
ted using Edge because of that you
know Edge is surprisingly solid like a lot of people think that edge because It's
associated with Microsoft everybody just kind of hates on edge and thinks that it's
garbage but it's actually not that bad edges surprisingly good like honestly Edge I
think when Netflix first rolled out 4K content you like the options to view Netflix
streams in 4k or either to use the the app so the Standalone Netflix app from the Windows
store or you could use the edge bro
wser as far as I know I I don't think that the Chrome browser
supports 4K Netflix I could be wrong this was a while ago when I read up on on this story
but that was a while oh it's 5K footage wow yeah but Edge is actually pretty good and
the thing that a lot of people don't know about Edge is all of the add-ons
that you can install on Chrome they all work on edge like they're
they're backwards compatible how many tabs can Chrome open I don't is there a
limit I I don't think there's a limit
I mean I've never tried to test the limit I think it depends
on how much RAM you have that goes back to what we were saying earlier like why does somebody need
128 gigabytes of RAM well video editing and Chrome Chrome and video editing oh those would be like
two examples um okay so this this is the way this is the way to quote the Mandalorian so the AMD ryzen 7 7 800 x3d review is gaming
efficiency for the win so this is something that I I knew this was going to be brought up again
because
when I did my review on the 7950x3d back when it launched the thing that impressed
me the most about it was actually the power efficiency more so than the performance I kind
of assumed that it was going to be the fastest uh in gaming so I wasn't really that
impressed because I kind of already assumed or I knew what to expect
but the power efficiency was the thing that kind of got me is like well
okay this thing is actually pretty good um so very efficient so this is by Tech spots so
they'
re so they got one in they did the review obviously for those that don't know Tech spot
is the publication that will basically take the review data from Steve over at Harbor unboxed and
we'll make it into a publication I don't know okay Stephen I guess Steve does that too well anyway
Tech spot and harbor unbox are basically the same thing so just saying for those that don't know or
unaware so if you watch Harbor unboxed Tech spot this article is basically that video just use
open GX and you
will never need more than 32. so why are they talking about the
750 x3d oh because it's niche see I disagree with that I disagree with the with
the statement that the 7950x3d is a niche CPU I think it's a flagship CPU I think it's calling
it a niche CPU doesn't make any sense because the only thing so the 750x3d is basically the same
as the 7800x 3D in gaming but it does cost a whole lot more but you're getting double the cores but
you're not getting double the the V cash cores you're only
getting double the cores but what
makes the 7950x 3D in my opinion the 750 x3d is a more versatile CPU than the standard 7800x 3D but
you do have to pay more money for it but the thing is like the 750x3d you know 16 cores 32 threads
is still 16 cores 32 thread that's that's a lot um so it gives you the option of preferring be
cash or preferring frequency so it basically gives you both options so I kind of I don't
consider this a niche I considered a flagship the only thing that the 750x3d
is not the flagship
in would be productivity apps but the the thing is the amount of performance lost by running the
the clocks at a lower speed on the vcash CCD is really not that much when you look at it you
know you're giving up at at worst or at most five percent in multi-threaded workloads versus the
standard 7950x or the Intel equivalent in terms of thread count so but you're making that up in
terms of way lower power consumption so it's kind of like at in productivity it's kind of a
wash
you it takes slightly longer to render stuff but it also uses a lot less electricity so it's like
I don't know it's it kind of ties in productivity in my mind and then in gaming it just straight up
wins it's more energy efficient and it's faster so yeah 750x is better for production
workers yeah at the cost of higher power consumption but yeah in general it is um so what do they do here to ensure Max
performance gamers are best off disabling the second CCD I don't agree with that I thi
nk that's
dumb like like the thing is I don't know man sometimes with these reviewers when I read their
Publications or I watch the videos they just say stuff that sounds so counterintuitive like I mean
I'm just speaking as someone who actually bought one of these with my own money and I can tell you
I am never going to go into the BIOS and turn off one of the ccds and turn this into a 7800 X 3D um
with the one exception being you know educational do it for research purposes right like see
what
what it's like to emulate a 7800 X 3D by turning off a CCD but like for my workflow for uh uh every
anything else like daily use case why would I ever do that that sounds so dumb like I would keep all
I want all 16 cores and all 32 threads because I paid for 16 cores and 32 threads I didn't pay
for an 8 core 16 thread CPU if I wanted one of those I would have bought the 7800x3d so so I
don't agree with this like turning on to ensure maximum performance that sounds so dumb the other
th
ing too about that is like for instance in some games like a good example is Counter-Strike
CS go like that game prefers frequency because it literally fits within the 32
megabyte cache of the standard processor so it's like in that scenario the 7950x 3D like
if you wanted you could uncheck this is a game in the Xbox game bar and then what will happen is
the Xbox game bar will dynamically just shift the the workload onto the other CCD onto the
frequency CCD or you could manually have it pre
fer frequency if you wanted I don't really
care to do any of that because I think that's just a waste of time but you know some people
might like using process lasso or something to to manually tune their their applications to
specific cores and that's totally fine but you know in that regard like in the case of Cs go
if you run if you let it go if you let the game Run on the frequency course so the non V cash
then it's actually faster than the 7800x3d so you know it that's why I kind of th
ink
that the 7950x3 is more versatile as a product versus the 7800 x3d but obviously it
costs more money so it's a flagship processor you can get the power draw down if you just
lower the voltage yeah and I've done that I mean uh turning on eco mode is the way you do
that because essentially the x3d parts run in eco mode by default that's what they do they're
running at the 120 well they're slightly above the Eco Mode that I showed in that one video
that I did for the 7950x but yeah you ju
st literally turn on eco mode and then it's the
power consumption is the same as a x3d part so or you could use curve Optimizer and
that will also lower the power draw so this is fifty dollars more than the standard
7700x it's kind of weird that there's no 7800x to directly compare I mean I get they're
both the same core count and the 7700x has higher frequencies on the turbo so it's like
well you know it's it's frequency versus cash and in most cases cash is going to win
out especially be
cause this processor is really meant for gaming so when they I don't
know like I don't agree with the words like when they say here that the the 7950x 3D is a
niche product I would almost flip the script and I would probably say the 7800 X3 is more
of a niche product they're both really good at gaming but I think the 7900x the 7800 X 3D
it's it's just like the 5800 X3 you know the 5800 X 3DS claim to fame was gaming performance
on the cheap the king of gaming but on the cheap hey Joey's her
e and then Max is here too turning off cores for
gaming with something for Zen plus and zen2 I never turned them off never liked the idea yeah
I I don't know well there was also like turning off smt on Intel it was always all about like
turn off hyper threading for some games but it's like why why why do that why turn an i7 into an
i5 see I don't understand the logic behind that it really doesn't make any sense like the thing that I heard that's kind of we the thing
that's really really wei
rd is uh people I I forgot where I read this I read this it was probably a
YouTube comment or something somebody was saying that if they really want the the absolute best
gaming processor they would need to buy a 7950x 3D and turn off the other CCD essentially turn
it into a 700 XD because their claim was that the 7950x3d runs 200 megahertz faster meaning
the the Boost speed was like 5.2 gigahertz on the vcash CCD cores as opposed to five gigahertz
on the 7800x 3D so they were saying theref
ore by that logic if they want the best gaming CPU they
need to buy a 7950x3d and turn it into a 7800x3d you know that's I don't know that that's like the reverse of
somebody buying a 13 900k and overclocking it to six gigahertz to match a 1300 KS like what
what it's it's the other way around though like uh no I did not I did not get one remember guys
I said I was gonna get one but the problem is I ended up getting this The Rise of Nine because
I got the Rise of Nine when it launched there'
s really no reason for me to get one of these
it's 700x3d because then I would just then I would have like if I would have gotten one
of those what would I do with it like what it's like if I want one of them I'll just turn
off like I was saying earlier I'm not really gonna do it but if I wanted to Showcase you
know emulate if you will a 1700x3 I would just turn off like the second CCD and the 7950x3d
but yeah there's no reason for me to get one oh you lost internet connection oh man tell m
e
about it that happens that's happened to me a few times while live and it's really annoying for
those who have those who are my like long-term viewers know what I'm talking about like I'll be
out it's probably been like three or four times what's happened where I've been live and then my
internet just like dies and then I don't notice because I don't see the chat updating so I don't
see people messaging saying did the stream go down or is it just me right and then I'll eventually
come ba
ck after like three minutes or something or four minutes whatever like however
long it takes for the router to reboot um and then that's it's fine after that
you don't want to put it in eco mode yeah well uh so Joey on the 7800 X3 I think
it'll be an interesting one to play around with uh in terms of overclocking I don't know it's not
locked down it's the same as the ryzen 9 Parts you can use curve Optimizer you can also use the uh
the e-clock to overclock these although that's really more
for people who want to go for World
Records like realistically no one's going to be using e-clock which is known as external clock
generator for those wandering to overclock these and use them as an actual daily driver like with
the e-clock running in asynchronous mode that's more of like a competition you know overclocking
world record setting that kind of thing that's kind of what that's there for so realistically
it's just curve optimizer I think PBO PBO yeah I think PBO is enabled on th
ese it is I don't
I think there are some limits in force though I think the the uh what do you call it the well
the curve Optimizer the actual voltage frequency curve is is different it's slightly lower the
higher up you go so it's like for instance uh like if we draw it out here so just to kind
of show like if you have the frequency curve right or I guess well it wouldn't look like
that it would look something more like this so if this is the let's call this the 70 7950x
if this is the fr
equency curve the voltage frequency curve where you know this is voltage
right here and this is frequency right here um well actually is that right you know what that's wrong it's actually I drew
it backwards because voltage frequency is more like exponential this would be frequency and I
think this is voltage so as the voltage goes up you'll need more and more voltage
to get ever so slightly higher frequency and then eventually you
know it just kind of flat lines because you need until you
get like so much
voltage it's basically like very very slight but basically what I'm trying to illustrate
on the 7950x it's like this the 7950x 3D or the 70 any vcash CPU is going to behave slightly
less so like the voltage won't be as aggressive so your frequency is just kind of going to always
tend to be lower than the non-3d cache parts as an example you like the 7900 non-x maybe it's going to be
man that's the one that keeps selling out at Micro Center the 7900 the non-x so many people
go
into the store and buy those for like their kid who wants to become the newest twitch personality and the reason why they do it is because the total
bomb cost or the total the total platform cost um to the parent who's building that for their kid
is significantly less because the cool thing about the 7900 the non-x non x3d just the regular Plain
Jane vanilla 7900 it comes with The Wraith prism cooler it comes with that really nice LED RGB uh
stock cooler from AMD so that's like a really
nice birthday gift for a kid you know like or whatever
or like a Christmas present or whatever it is like those things have always been selling
out at Micro Center more so than the X parts it also helps that they're cheaper than the X
Parts but the fact that they come with a cooler so the you know if the parent if some dad is
billing their PC for their son or whatever right like they don't have to buy an all-in-one
they don't have to buy a custom noctua or uh a be quiet dark Rock Pro or wh
atever they literally
just buy the CBU they buy the motherboard and they get free 32 gigabytes of RAM from Micro Center so
they're that's it or they get that bundled combo there was that one bundle deal for like I think
it was like five hundred and sixty dollars or something for the 7 900 plus the motherboard and
so it's like they're pretty much set there you go anything else that was on the kids old
computer like the graphics card the uh the case the power supply they just roll
that over
into the new build they don't have to worry about it because the 7900 doesn't
use that much electricity so really really easy and think about it that's 12 cores 24
threads that's no slouch when it comes to uh gaming and streaming on a budget
so that's actually a pretty nice deal you put a Max voltage of 1.2 and turn level four
load line you put a Max voltage of 1.2 in turn oh yeah yeah oh you're talking
about the um are you talking about uh overclocking if you put a voltage in the Bios it
disables uh it disables PBO though as far as I know that when you do that that
enables what's called OC mode manual overclocking The Wraith prism is decent for 60 yeah it
is The Wraith prism can handle 95 Watt CPUs when we get it a chance to talk about some gaming
monitors let me know okay we can do that we can do that later so but anyway that's so in general
the x3d parts they'll run at lower voltages so as a result of that they'll run at slightly lower
frequencies so versus the non and th
en the you know honestly I don't really know I have to
look but like if I had to guess what the uh the let's do purple like the vanilla one the
vanilla one is probably somewhere around here it kind of crisscrosses over the 3D one I don't
know I'm just saying like for the standard 7 900 the vanilla one does that
probably that color is probably a bad choice it doesn't show up on stream that well psychoholic running your 7950 in eco mode you
can see why it's a big silver yes that's yeah it is
and think about it too right like for a parent
who's building a PC for their kid they don't want to deal with potentially tripping over current
protection although typically the graphics cards are going to do that not so much the CPU but you
know it just saves so much money because if you if you buy the non X you're getting a cooler so
you don't need to buy a cooler you're also getting a much lower power like a 65 watt part so that
means like even if you had to buy a power supply you don't
have to buy a super high-end power
supply for that thing and on top of that you don't have to buy an expensive motherboard
with massive aluminum heat sinks on the vrm you could just buy like the most basic b650
motherboard you know like a a Micro ATX from whoever MSI gigabyte doesn't really
matter ASRock whatever Asus even although Asus tends to be pricier so probably not Asus but
you know it could be depending on the bundle deal so yeah those are those those are really really
those make f
or like excellent gifts in my mind those vanilla like the non non-ex parts so
though like I've talked to people at Micro Center and they tell me that those actually sell
pretty well like despite what we see what people say online about am4 being a slow seller like
yeah it was slow so what I remember is when what I said am4 am5 I meant like ryzen 7000 series
so am5 so what I remember is that when am5 first came out obviously you had all those people that
were waiting to upgrade like me like
I upgraded on launch day um and then a bunch of other people
who were on like we were on like x370 you know like we were on either like Zen 2 Zen three
and we're like okay I'm gonna make the jump to ddr5 because I'm an Enthusiast so so all you
people with ddr4 see ya okay so basically that's that's that was the initial wave of people who
made the jump to ddr5 who went to am5 and then after that the sales just kind of like dropped
off and people kept buying like 5800 X 3DS and you know Zen 3
CPUs during the holiday season or
they were waiting for Intel's 13th gen to come out I know a lot of people waited and then and
then Intel stuff came out and it was like okay in when when they were looking at the high-end
it was kind of a wash between the 13 900 and the 750x when it came to productivity because it's
typically where you compare them but then when you start looking at gaming then the 3900k would
win at the cost of power consumption you know and then people started figuring o
ut oh you can
actually run fast ddr5 on the 3900k now that only became relevant recently because ddr5 RAM prices
have been falling and falling and falling every month but like if you were trying to run like you
know 7 200 megahertz ddr5 back in November when the 13th gen first launched good luck because
you were paying like close to 500 for that Ram so that that's what it was kind of a moot point
like it was kind of pointless to talk about that because like okay do you really want to spend
that
much money on RAM for like for what right like for five percent more I guess but it's like the power
consumptions all the way up there uh I will I will at some point we'll get to it the Hogwarts
Legacy stream yeah we'll get back to those I'm close to the end of well long Fallen
Dynasty so I think the next time I do a game stream it's probably going to be
finishing wall long and then anything after that will probably be Hogwarts Legacy
because there's really nothing on my radar um for
the next several months or
at least the next several weeks so yeah expect to see Hogwarts Legacy make a
return to the channel at some point soon do you know if the cooler can handle it if you're
wanting more performance what are we talking about um but yeah so let's go back to
the let's go back to the review okay so I just kind of want to show so he tested
he tested with the gigabyte X 670 auris master so he literally tested with the exact same
motherboard that I am streaming on right now
so the aorus master which actually is a really
nice it turns out this motherboard so when I first upgraded I didn't want this motherboard
like this wasn't my first choice I've said this before so this is going to sound redundant for
those that have been watching me for a while but like I wanted the MSI Meg Ace that was the
motherboard that I wanted but they didn't have it on launch day I think like they had two and I
think I remember Joey got one and then I don't know who else got the other
one if I thought
they had two um but I wasn't able to get that so I was stuck like having to choose a backup
so I was like uh I remember looking on my phone uh like I was talking with the sales guy at Micro
Center I was trying to like scroll through the different motherboards uh and then I was like uh
okay I guess aorus Master because it's because at that point the Meg Ace the Meg Ace was the
only 700 motherboard that I would spend 700 on um because I was like uh I don't really
want to sp
end I could have got the hero but I didn't want the hero I didn't want
the Crosshair hero for multiple reasons um so I won't get into that here unless unless
people really want to know but I think I've already answered that in multiple streams so I
don't really want to talk about that again but anyway I didn't want to spend more than five
hundred dollars because this is one of those things that Steve over at Gamers Nexus did a rant
about recently when he he was complaining and I've said the
exact same thing months ago uh but he
he basically said that things like the postcode debug LED you know like the two the two number
eights that light up when you're memory training and tell you what's wrong with your motherboard
like why is it not booting um that thing it's like that's become like a luxury feature now and
you have to spend 500 to get one of those so and I had to have one of those I wanted one of those
debug things and that's why I end up with a master because the master h
ad one and it's like the elite
doesn't have one um I think the strix Hat yeah the strix has them but I didn't want to buy a strix
I don't like any of the strix motherboards so I I I stay away from the stricts like like it's
the plague um and then Prime doesn't have them tough doesn't have them basically all the like
lower more more budget-friendly motherboards do not have them so I was like okay I gotta
spend 500 to get my debug LED and uh yeah you only got the debug LED on the b350 yeah ba
ck then you could get debug LEDs pretty
much on every motherboard except for probably the small tiny Micro ATX boards that were
you know like sixty dollars or something so you got an eye on the gigabyte x670
gaming ax that's very similar to the um the one that I have for the 3D what's it
called the aorus elite ax yeah we can look at those motherboards here in a little bit well
we'll probably do that we'll look at the gaming monitors and we'll look at the I do plan to
talk about that though
later in the Stream I do want to talk about for those who are thinking
of upgrading we were going to go over like what's a good motherboard what's a budget motherboard
what's a value motherboard like one that I would actually get and then what's like a super high-end
I don't care how much it costs I just want like the coolest looking motherboard I want all the RGB
like we'll look at that as well so just to kind of look here so what's cool about this is the hottest
it got was 84c and it nev
er thermal throttled so that's good obviously it's an eight core so
it's not going to score the highest cinebench Adobe Photoshop Adobe Photoshop doesn't really
you know the fact that the 7700x is right up here above the other the ryzen 9s lose to the ryzen 7
700x that shows you how like this is not a super heavy multi it is well it is and it is it's kind
of weird because the the Intel 1300k for me these tests don't really match but I I understand
why he gets these results because Harbor un
box Steve is testing with Windows 11. I think I
remember reading it yeah he tested on Windows 11. I think I remember seeing it in the video but
anyway this is on windows 11. so with Windows 11 the e-course actually they turn
off when they're not needed like Intel thread director knows how to to basically
say hey this is a benchmark make sure you use the P cores for this thing so that's the
reason why this scores the way it does um otherwise like these cinebench scores would be
actually qui
te a bit lower on the single thread here because you'd have this occasionally bounce
to a e-core but anyway here's the blender results but see like this is what I mean by you give
up so by going with a 3D part versus a non-3d the amount of performance loss in productivity
is so small so like even here 14 versus 1500 like four almost 1500 versus like almost 15.5 so it's
like um you're not really losing a whole lot even at the high end like we're talking in terms
of seconds this is what nine
seconds slower on this blender render than the standard 7950x
so yeah like this this this goes to what medphism was saying earlier if you're if you want to
build a productivity PC and you don't game the 750x or like a standard Zen for makes
the most sense because you're going to save money up front because you can get a
better deal on say a 7950x than a 7950x3d and it's going to perform better typically
in productivity workloads as shown here so but what's different though is the system
po
wer consumption because if you look this is where it's interesting so the blender render
207 Watts for the 7800 X 3D 279 so roughly 70 Watts more for that second CCD which is
actually quite impressive when you think about it because that that shows you that this is
not linear scaling right like eight core 16 thread is consuming 207 Watts when doing
a blender render but the 16 core 32 thread is only adding 70 more watts for double the cores and
threads so that's I found that kind of interest
ing and then the standard part like here's the 7700x
so the 7700x has the same core count but it's like what 50 Watts more 50 Watts more at the same
cores so that that that's why it shows that you're getting an efficiency Advantage with the the V
cash part like it's significantly more efficient and then when you look at the competition I guess
the closest competitor everybody's comparing this to the 13 700k and I would agree with that like
I think that's how I would have compared it um I I
honestly don't like a lot
of the reviews that I saw uh like some reviewers I started watching their video but
then as soon as I saw that they weren't showing like direct comparisons between 13 700 and 7
800 X3 I just like close out the video like less than two minutes into the video because
if if if a Reviewer is going to compare a 7800 X 3D to a 3900k I'm just going to close the video
immediately because it's not a it's not a relevant comparison because it's completely different price
poi
nts and in my opinion these two processes are meant for different users like I've said this
before and I'll say it again the 3900k is not really in my mind I would never use it as a gaming
first CPU 3900k is a productivity first gaming second CPU likewise the 7950x is treated the
exact same way the eight core CPUs like the 7700x I consider that a gaming CPU same thing with the
7800x3d and then for the intel if I had to choose a gaming CPU I would consider the I5 13600k a
gaming first produc
tivity second CPU in that order and the 13700k is kind of like it could go either
way but if I had to categorize it I would probably say it's gaming first productivity second because
it's eight P cores eight e-cores like a 12 900k so when it's 50 50 split like that you know it's
I'm gonna favor the P cores but the 3900k gets really wonky because it's eight P cores 16
e-cores so to me that's the productivity CPU what do you think the most
demanding system requirements what do you think them
you mean what game are you asking what which game has the
highest system requirements in 2023 uh probably The Last of Us The Last of Us
Part One is extremely demanding um it's kind of a toss-up between that and
Hogwarts Legacy Hogwarts Legacy is also very well Hogwarts Legacy is not as hard to run as the last
of us so Hogwarts Legacy is very hard to run if you want to run RT because Hogwarts Legacy
does support RT and the RT in that game is actually pretty decent so I in general I would
sa
y The Last of Us The Last of Us is probably the hardest game to run and that's the reason
why it it reviewed well if you're looking at it from the consoles but the PC did not do so well
and a lot of it was Nvidia gpus honestly like I saw on Steam there was an update to The Last
of Us Part One I mean I'm gonna look at it now The Last of Us patch notes directly from Nvidia
The Last of Us Part One game May randomly crash during gameplay on GeForce RTX 30 series gpus
they actually have a bug ID
so I think the reason why it review bombed was one most people
playing it were playing it on 16 gigabytes of memory computers and two they probably had a
GeForce card and they were crashing because there's a bug with GeForce cards it's like oh
a GeForce card actually has driver problems so um I think that's the reason why because I mean
I did a live stream of it my last live stream was playing The Last of Us and I was running it on
a Radeon card and I didn't have any problems and I recentl
y did a video showcasing it The Last
of Us Part One keeps crashing on your computer well there you go it's probably
because the 3080 tie there's a bug but the thing is uh I think there's a
hotfix though a note to players using Nvidia 30 series graphics cards please be
sure to update the GeForce hotfix driver foreign I think that's the reason why it's
crashing because guys like those who are watching me play the game live no issues fully
maxed out Ultra 4K no problems on a 7900 XTX and I re
cently did a video I did kind of a
an overview for 1440p and 1080p but mostly was focused on 1440p with the 7900 XT and the
7950x3d on a 64 gigabyte system and I didn't have any problems when I was filming that video
or recording the footage anyway and I was messing with all the settings in real time people can
people who watched the video saw me doing all that stuff I had uh I had the afterburner overlay
up showing the frame times and the averages you didn't have that problem with Arc see
you
guys it's all it's it's Nvidia it's Nvidia and those drivers it's those GeForce drivers guys I'm
telling you you gotta go you gotta go Intel Arc or if you've got the money you gotta get a Radeon
I don't know what to say no I'm just joking but I think it's probably the Nvidia driver issue
honestly I think that's why it's crashing and and let's be honest like most people on Steam have
GeForce graphics cards so and that's probably why it had so many negative reviews on Steam because
a lot
of GeForce users were experiencing issues for me the game runs fantastic it
ran fantastic before all the patches the newer driver doesn't install with the
GeForce experience I had to manually install the GeForce see man I don't I I had I don't
use GeForce experience I'm just saying like I've used Nvidia cars before like if literally
right behind me there's a 3080 tie and a 30 90 tie like on that in that bookshelf right
there and every time I switch over to Nvidia for benchmarking I never i
nstalled GeForce
experience the last time I used the GeForce experience was on a GTX 970 that was a long time
ago we're talking 2015. that was the last time I used GeForce experience so I don't know what
it looks like today but I've never used it when I install NVIDIA drivers I literally
just install the Nvidia control panel I'm at prism you you and you never I never
use it either man I'm not gonna log in I don't need another login on the PC that's not
browser-based just saying I'm not gon
na log in no that's why you know I was thinking
about doing a video about that but I think if I what do you guys think like
should I make a video that shows uh Radeon settings and Intel Arc and G and Nvidia
control panel should I do that video so meaning GeForce experience will not be in the video I will
not install GeForce experience but I will show the 1990s Nvidia control panel because that's what it
looks like it looks like it's basically ie6 from the 90s so nvidia's nvidia's control pa
nel
versus amd's Radeon settings versus Intel's because Intel finally has a now an actual control
panel it's no longer just an overlay so I might revisit Intel Arc because they finally did what I
wanted them to so I might actually do that video I honestly I really think amd's just gonna destroy
the other two just saying because because Nvidia control panel Nvidia control panel doesn't let you
overclock doesn't let you modify the fan profile it doesn't give you access to Shadow play
so you
can't use Shadow play you basically can't do anything except uh turn on like like
you can do frame rate caps for games you can um turn on DSR so Dynamic super resolution you
can change like the video playback color profiles you can do that kind of stuff you have access
to Nvidia surround but that's basically what you can do you can you can enable Crossfire oh
not Crossfire no Crossfire you can turn on SLI you can enable SLI assuming you have two of the
same graphics card that supports that
feature so newsflash you can't do that with 40 series
um but anyway like you can do those things with the Via control panel but like ready on
settings you can pretty much do all of those things but you can also record video like
you get access to shadowplay obviously the Radeon one is called Radeon relive but you
can do the shadow play thing in the Radeon control panel without having to log in
without having to install an extra thing and Intel's the same way Intel and AMD I think
are more
similar but Intel doesn't let you do things that you can do with AMD and Nvidia
for example Nvidia and AMD can let you set frame rate caps so it's like AMD is more granular
Nvidia Nvidia control panel lets you set a maximum uh frame rate AMD has something called Radeon
chill which lets you set a maximum and a minimum and if you want it to be a frame rate cap
you just set it to the same number right so um so I I you know what okay I'm going to write
that down I'm literally going to make a no
te to myself to remember to make that video so I'm gonna
do Radeon settings versus Nvidia control panel versus Arc I think it's called Arc control
center our control center so it's going to be all three of them I can already tell I'm
gonna get a lot of hateful comments saying why didn't you include GFE where's
GFE this is not fair there's no GFE there's gonna be a lot of people
hating on the video for that I but you know what I don't care I don't care
you have to log in to get access to th
at stuff you basically have to install that bloatware
on your PC to get access to those features with Intel and AMD you
don't have to do any of that yeah I agree they need to get
rid of that stupid GFE it's trash do you think the future Nvidia will replace
the video control panel GeForce experience uh if they want to like destroy themselves
and implode they would do that so I don't see them doing that uh what I can
see them doing is what metprism just suggested get rid of GeForce experienc
e
and integrate all those features into the um into the Nvidia control panel and modernize
the control panel that's what they need to do so let me see here yeah that's a good idea for a video though I
think that video is kind of long overdue anyway it'll also give me a chance
to see what Intel has added because I haven't looked at the Intel Arc in
in a while I know they have a control panel now one thing you liked when you switched from the xdx or switch to the XTX you no longer need
an af
terburner overlay fan control exactly exactly that's what I'm saying you
have all of the features in one thing you have it all in one control panel a single
painted glass single dashboard to do everything okay so let's just kind of
run through these so factorio okay so factorio is a really good kind of a
a lot of people say this is a game I consider this more like factorio as a game is like
saying ashes of the singularity is a game Ash is the singularity is a benchmark that
includes a game
factorio is essentially the same thing so what's cool about factorio though
is it shows you the Gen on gen improvement from the Zen 3 V cash to the Zen 4 V cash same core
count so that's a very interesting result there Hogwarts Legacy Ultra quality Ultra RT so right
here you know 94 the so the flagship 7950 xvd does win slightly and that's because what that one
comment was saying earlier in one of those videos I forgot whose review video I read this comment
in the comments section someone
was saying that the 7950x3d will like if you turn off the second
CCD it will technically be faster than a vanilla or like a true 7800 x3d because it runs like
the boost on those cores can do up to 5.2 dynamically versus the 7800 XV which is capping
out at five so that that extra 200 megahertz on the lightly threaded boost algorithm is what's
providing this Advantage here that's slight win okay and then this is interesting so this
is the power consumption so again most of this electricity is
from the 4090. for these
power consumption numbers for all of them but it shows you know like this is roughly so
the 13 700 462 so that's 60 and 20 about so that's like 80 Watts more um 80 Watts
more power on the i7 or 80 Watts less power on the ryzen 7 depending on how you look
at that so and then the standard ryzen 7 is kind of somewhere in the middle but it
looks like it's closer to the V cash CPU the Nvidia control panel is easier to use though uh I don't know if I agree with that thou
gh
see the problem uh that's like seeing that's like saying the ark Center was easier to
use because it's missing a lot of features but it's because the I don't know I don't really
think it's easier to use some of that stuff like like if I ask somebody to without without Googling
it like how long would it take to figure out how to enable a frame cap on a game using the
Nvidia control panel it's not that intuitive because you don't have the individual games like
Nvidia control panel doesn't
it doesn't like track the different game process IDs in an easy to view
menu like there's no overview that shows your games in a video control panel you have to use GFE
to gain access to that so that's the other thing Spider-Man remastered okay so here again
again it's the chart topper with the one exception being that 7950x3d because of the
slightly higher boost clock on those cores what's really interesting about this one though is the standard one actually
does so good in this game Ray
tracing High okay yeah this is the
Spider-Man there's the power consumption numbers so I expect the 5800 XG is just going to continue
to sell very well because there's a lot of people out there that are on like Zen 2 like a
3600 for example this is the natural upgrade for them I mean it's it's still very energy
efficient it's still very performant in games aceto I don't know what this is this is probably
some car game this is like a race car game if I would I assume from the name it's somet
hing
to do with cars but I've never played this game I assume it's some kind of car game so
again you know kind of a similar story here shadow of the Tomb Raider chart topper shadow of
the Tomb Raider what is this power consumption Tom Clancy Watch Dogs Legion so it's usually
either winning or it's like right behind the slightly higher clocked 750x 3D what's really weird is the where's the oh
he didn't test the 7900x 3D Hitman 3 here's one where this one's kind of
interesting so this is on
e where frequency is what is preferred although I think I've
heard someone say that they use different code paths in this game but anyway regardless
this is one that definitely looks like well I mean at first glance it looks like
frequency is what matters more but that doesn't really look like it's the case because the
79 the 7700x is losing to the x3d even though it's faster in terms of clock speed so I don't know
this is one that I guess it just prefers Intel the instruction set code path
is probably more
optimized on Intel I if I had to guess although um the spacing between the i7 and the I9 looks
expected based off of P core clock uh boost clock differences but the I5 is uh well this is
about 10 FPS and then 10 FPS between these two so what are you guys talking about so uh you heard a rumor that Windows 12 released in
2024 do you think it will have a similar user interface to Windows 11. well let's think about
it when did Windows 11 come out windows 11 was 20 was it 2021
it was 2021 so in 2024
Windows 11 will be what three years old if they do that um they could do that I think it'll be 2025 though if I had to
guess I'm guessing Windows 12 will be 2025. but I think the user interface will be similar I
think they'll I think they might go back to the taskbar being left aligned like it was on Windows
10 and all the older operating systems because even the way I use Windows 11 on my laptop I go
into the taskbar settings and I set it to go left aligned so I don'
t have my icons in the middle
at the bottom I if I did it I'd be using a Mac wait what are you guys asking what do you use to make those adjustments oh he's talking about the performance stuff Horizon zero Dawn whatever okay cyberpunk same thing okay the thing is though
these are all so close that this is what I was saying a few weeks ago you'd be hard-pressed to
tell the difference between any of these CPUs like even the lowly 7600x like just
looking through here like look at the 7600x it's
like 20 FPS average lower than the 7800x 3D
but it's like at that number 276 versus 254 or 258 no one's going to be able to tell the difference like okay even in this one Hitman 265 versus 237.
that's a that's almost a 30 FPS difference between the top and the 7800 X 3D No One's Gonna Be able
to tell the difference especially in a game like Hitman cyberpunk again 126 versus 120 for the
I mean that's even that's an even smaller Delta so like even the uh even the 5800x3d which
is the at the
bottom of the list here despite everyone singing its praises 104 versus
like 1 26. No One's Gonna Be able to tell the difference like I'll I would say like once
it dips below 90 then you might perceive a difference but realistically once it's above
90 no not not really that's the reason why I think 120 hertz is going to slowly become the
next big thing I think when it comes to display technology 120 hertz for 4K panels and OLED
so OLED 120 will probably become the next kind of display thing
that manufactures of display
technology try to push into the market to get people to upgrade from their older displays like
for instance people who are still on 1080p TVs in their homes and their Apartments like if they
have a 1080p say like a 42 inch or 46 inch 1080p uh TN panel television 60 hertz you know like you
run on the mill TV like they're gonna try to push OLED 120 hertz as kind of the new thing the
natural upgrade for people who have like a standard 60 hertz 1080p TV right like
they're
going to want to go to 4K and they're going to want them to go to OLED and they're going to
want them to go to uh you know 120 hertz to try to upsell you know a better experience but that's
going to depend on more than just the displays that's going to depend on cameras as well like
for instance TV footage like like shows and movies like you don't really see those like that kind
of content made at anything above realistically like most films are 30 24 FPS or 30 FPS sometimes
they d
o high speed footage and it will be like 60 but they would usually or I mean anything over 60
they're usually doing that for to making to make it uh slow motion video in post so um yeah I don't
know like 120 hertz is great but it's like as a TV unless they're doing gaming on a
PS5 or you're using it with a PC it's gonna be a hard sell so that's why I'm saying
I guess the purpose of that tangent was to say you know if it's above 120 FPS you're most likely
not going to be able to tell the dif
ference assuming you have a monitor that can actually
display all these frames because if you're on a 60 hertz panel this is redundant it's not
going to do anything and then if it's like a 120 hertz panel most of these are over that number
pretty much all of them except these bottom two so okay power consumption uh the
I5 does really good in this one like that's insane the difference between the
difference between the I5 and the i7 is what is that like a 130 Watts roughly 130 watts of power
between an i5 and an i7 like what is up with that how does adding two more P cores result in 130
Watts more electricity I don't know what's going on there anyway riffbreaker so you guys get
the idea basically okay here's here's what I was saying earlier so Counter Strike this is one
that favors frequency notice here the chart topper AMD ryzen 7 700x does 558 frames so that's
like a hundred frames more than the 7800 x3d but the problem is it's like No One's Gonna Be
able to perceive that d
ifference I don't care who the person is who says they can perceive
that difference it literally doesn't matter if let like okay if a champion is like an actual
Tournament champion is playing on the 70 in her x3d and they're averaging 451 and some other high
level player but they're not like the tournament champion is playing on a 7700x and getting
558 they're still gonna lose to the guy the tournament champion who only has like 451 FPS
because it's like this is one of those things where I
often like to quote in a game like this
which I know is a very competitive game I like to quote Trunks from Dragon Ball Z when he was
talking to King cold when King Cole wanted that sword because he thinks that the sword is going
to make him like better or whatever like trunk's response to him was didn't you know that the
weapon doesn't make the man so basically that's what I'm trying to say here so it's like
okay this one wins but it's like who cares because the numbers are so high that th
e average
player is never going to be able to capitalize on that 100 FPS difference between these two
processors so but but this is good to show academically that a game that favors frequency
it tends to scale pretty well with frequency yeah 240 FPS yeah I mean yeah I I can I can
tell the difference between 60 and 120. I've never had a 240 Hertz display so I can't
really comment about 240 frames because anything over that anything over 144 for me
is going to be tearing all over the place s
o um it's like okay I get I guess it's 240
because I can see screen tears everywhere um but uh yeah like I can tell in between 120
and 60 but once you go above 120 you're kind of in what I consider diminishing returns at that
point so this is more of like an academic thing if anything to show kind of the scaling capability
with frequency on some of these parts because if you look at this the 7700x clocks really high the
3900k clocks higher than the other Intel parts on the 7950x also clocks
almost as high as the 3900k
that's the reason why they're so close together yeah 60 and 120. it's it's different there's
definitely a difference between the two of them but what I'm saying is like once you once you're
able to average 120 frames going above 120 it's like can't really you're not really getting a
whole lot out of that in terms of the experience a plague tale Requiem okay again
it this one likes the V cash power consumption so you
know just 12 game average so pretty much the
fastest gaming CPU for under 500
that's essentially what this is the semi-hair X3 that's the way I see it while also consuming the
least amount of power so the perf per watt is really basically the king it's the king of Energy
Efficiency for gaming it's also the king of Gaming um you know at 4K like all of this is gonna
scrunch up together so you won't really notice the difference at 4K so at that point it's like
it doesn't it's not like it's a be-all end-all for 4K but I do think that if y
ou want a gaming CPU
even if you're going to pair it with a 4k monitor it's still going to be really good what would be
a great 4k monitor okay so now we can transition into talking about that because we're pretty
much done here so yeah so one thing I wanted to show was the cost per frame so it like so
what's better than this nothing because look 221 so the way you want to interpret this
chart you want the the second bar to be as long as possible and you want the top bar to be as
short as
possible so this is basically the winner because like 221 you know versus 199 and 208 these
are its closest competition from Intel and AMD and themselves in terms of the price so the x3d like
the 50 800x3d they're showing the original price so I get why they're doing that but that's not
realistic in terms of the uh okay is this the now this is platform so unfortunately they did not
show the actual sale price of the 5800 because it doesn't it's not that expensive anymore it's
more like 300 a
nd then at that point this ends up becoming the King again I think if you were
to calculate it out or or it would probably tie so platform cost uh I this kind of depends
like I wouldn't read too much into how they do Platform costs because this is so nuanced
like you're going to want to buy a motherboard based off of your use case obviously
the budget matters but the thing is like um someone could easily just say hey there's
this one motherboard that's a hundred and ten dollars or whatever
and it's that's gonna drop
the platform across by like another 100 so but see that's it's very nuanced I wouldn't read into that
too much but the cost per frame makes sense so so this one's kind of a no-brainer like the the
fact that you also have the option to upgrade from this CPU to a newer one like a Zen five one
on the same motherboard and keep the same Ram uh it's kind of a no-brainer it just kind of
wins so that's that's basically my takeaway from watching the reviews yesterday and j
ust
kind of reading through some of them today if you're on DDR3 from 10 years ago this
is basically your upgrade path if you're going to upgrade today or or you know like soon because power consumption is low performance is high and the option to upgrade
down the road is there so kind of a win all around okay so let's talk about I guess we'll look at gaming monitors
and then uh let's go to Newegg gaming monitors and then we will okay computer systems no where's peripherals
okay here we go
gaming monitors so you're saying so Joey's asking I guess the chat
can help with this what's a good 4K gaming monitor so I'll tell you what I recommend oh whoops I need to I need to do uh 4K which is this one seems to be a good CPU to upgrade
to from a 10700 yeah it and it is it is because you're going from you're going
from PCI gen 3 all the way to PCI gen 5. so you're essentially skipping PCI Gen4 now
granted the graphics card is obviously going to still be PCI Gen4 but the motherboard can
support future graphics cards that would run gen 5. provided you get a b650e or an x670e
motherboard that's like the one caveat otherwise if you get b650 or x670 if you get x670 you get
uh Gen 5 storage capability and I think b650 you do as well for one drive and then I forget
like if it's even required on that at all though 480 4080 will be used yes so for the monitor I wouldn't go above 32 inches
myself I would actually aim for 27 but it depends on the person so I I run my monitor at Nat
ive
scaling meaning I run it at 100 DPI scaling on Windows 10. with a 27 inch 4k monitor so
that means everything on that monitor is very very small so if your vision is not I guess if
you if you tend to have problems with eye strain you're probably not going
to want a 27 inch monitor but I'll show you what I'm using specifically
and then we can go from there we'll use we'll use the monitor that I have as kind
of a starting point and go from there so my monitor is actually
oh they don't e
ven have it I'm surprised There It Is Well they don't have it on their
website but here it is but it's not sold by Newegg I think Micro Center has these this is
what I'm using so when you guys see me playing games like The Last of Us Hogwarts
Legacy uh forespoken well long Fallen Dynasty Etc Fatal Frame whatever I have been
playing the game on this monitor and the way my setup is is the monitor is
in the middle so just to kind of draw it out uh hold on let me uh clean up paint here there we
go okay so I have whoops I have the Sony monitor so this is 27
27 inch Sony end zone M9 is the model number this is a 27 inch 2160p [Music] 144 Hertz freesync
monitor this is what I'm using and then next to it I've got another monitor right here and
then I have another monitor right here and I have them kind of angled so they're
kind of like you know they're not like flat in a line they're kind of you know the
two side monitors are curved more toward me not curved but they're just like you
know uh
angled toward me so these other monitors are 23 we'll just call it 24 24 inch um AOC again a a g 24 one QX 24 inch AOC a gone AG I have I
have a YouTube video on the Channel showing the Sony Monitor and I also have a video I
think I do at least from way back showing these monitors because I've got I've had
so I've had these monitors these are 1440p 144 Hertz freesync with a kickstand
so I can I can like pull out the kickstand on the side so meaning
I can like pull out the kickstan
d over here there's a kickstand and I
can put my headphones literally like you know hanging off of the kickstand so
obviously that's not drawn to scale but you guys get the idea all three of these monitors
have built-in speakers all three of these monitors feature freesync full range the Sony end zone is
freesync premium also known as g-sync compatible yeah it's a Sony so for those that watched Evo
if you guys pay attention to Evo so Evo Japan recently took place and I was watching the fina
ls
the top eight finals for uh Tekken seven and the monitors that they're playing on in the tournament
were this where the exact monitor that I'm using the Sony 27 inch 4K was what they were using at
the tournament so and the cool thing about it is it integrates it integrates with the PS5 if you
have a PS5 and you connect the PS5 so it features a one DisplayPort 1.4 a I believe two two HDMI
2.0 or 2.1 I forget I think it's 2.1 well we'll have to look at the spec sheet actually so
I'm just
not going to put this stuff here what does the ultra wide provide over a 16x9
are games made to take advantage of ultrawides no they're not almost never uh games are typically developed for 16x9 16x9 is the standard uh Ultra wide is an
aspect ratio known as 21 21 by nine I believe but like like psycho saying uh 38 inch
Ultra wide yeah that's that's Ultra wide so but this is what I'm using uh so
let's go back to the product page okay so do they have the specs they don't it does
have USBC thi
s supports uh USBC as a display input DisplayPort alt mode I should say I should
clarify so it has four different display type inputs it has two hdmis it has
one One display port I believe it's 1.4 and a USBC which I think is also DisplayPort 1.4 yeah uh I'm not a big fan of ultra wide myself
I'm I just like to stick with the standard 16x9 it took me a while to get used to 16x9 because
I was a I was a big fan of 16 by 10 back in the day like for laptop displays uh I used to have a
monitor t
hat was 16 by 10. it was a 1920 by 1200 it was a Lenovo think vision l220x it was a VA
panel so it was a very it was a very nice monitor um you know it's above 1080p but it's
it's like slightly above 1080p it's 1200p yeah so the Sony End Zone features USBC
actually we should probably just go to the let's go to the product page okay here's
the actual official so this is the official price but you can typically find this at
Best Buy for cheaper than that and I got mine from Best Buy locally b
ecause at
the time Micro Center didn't have these um so let's get let's I guess we'll
just go through it so it's like yeah it has this really weird stand the stand
looks kind of like the PlayStation 5. it has the same kind of color scheme as the
PlayStation 5 as well where it's got like a white white on the outside here and then
black uh accents on the inside piano black but what I want to see is the the input do we can
we zoom in on here no wait no it doesn't let you zoom in but I can see
from here it has it supports
a USB hub it supports USBC via DisplayPort alt mode DisplayPort HDMI and HDMI and the uh three
and a half millimeter audio jack so you could plug in headphones if you wanted or you could
plug in a speaker system and use your actual dedicated speaker system as opposed to relying on
the built-in speakers that come with the monitor the built-in speakers that come with the monitor
are just not very good that's one of the probably the worst thing about this monitor
for this
much money the speakers are really not that good but you buy the monitor for the
display not so much the speakers which is kind of disappointing because TVs
usually always have good speakers in them whereas monitors tend to have
garbage speakers regardless of how much the monitor costs which is very
disappointing when you think about it yeah but that's that's basically it uh this this
uh vent on the back actually lights up it's RGB you can actually change the color that's one
tha
t's kind of like the only swag sort of thing that it has it has a nub on the back to control
the menu for the OSD I don't want well I've gotten used to it I mean you don't really mess
with it too much so it's not that big of a deal you just kind of set your colors and you forget
it it had it's it's an HDR monitor too I forgot to mention that it's an HDR 10 Monitor and it
has I forget how many uh local dimming regions it has but it's it's it's the proper type of of
uh HDR it's not like the o
ne with the bars across what are the two best types of panels for gaming
so this one is an IPS uh I would say personally like I remember when IPS was new and a lot of
people were saying get IPS it's so good but I just really don't think it's that much better
than traditional TN so Twisted pneumatic I think is still really good if you're just looking
for a gaming monitor you don't want to spend that much money but those are getting less and
less they're they're getting harder to find uh so y
ou're stuck buying you're stuck spending more
money essentially because IPS is more expensive VA has gotten better but VA still in
my opinion at least VA tends to suffer from what's called uh well it's it's the gray
levels the black levels on V8 the black levels are really nice but not really for gaming
so the other one is OLED but OLED or OLED is very expensive like real expensive so like if
you think nine hundred dollars is expensive you don't know what an expensive monitor is that's
all
I'm saying so like OLED OLED makes this look like it's I don't want to say cheap but that it
makes this look affordable let's put it that way you heard good things about quantum dot displays so I guess to answer your question Joey
the two would be IPS and OLED those are like the two best ones for gaming but
realistically if you want to get technical TN is actually the best for gaming now it's
not going to look as good it's not gonna look as good if so if you care about the image quality
th
e color gamut the uh gradient and variance in the colors then you're going to want to stay away
from TN but if you only care about response time and how fluid the the movement in
the game is on screen then I would probably say just get a TN panel just get
a 4K TN panel assuming those still exist that that's what I would recommend personally
because what I forgot to mention uh going back to my own setup these monitors here
this one and this one are TN panels those are TN monitors the Sony mo
nitor that's an IPS panel so these these two monitors the left and the right
over here those are tailor-made for gaming those these two AOC monitors that I have on the left and
the right these are gaming monitors Unfortunately they don't make these anymore because this is
what I recommend this is my rule of thumb now this applies to me it obviously everybody's different
but what I would say if someone is buying 1080p 1080p 22 inch I recommend 22 inch for 1080p
assuming you have natural 2020
Vision if your visual Acuity is 20 20 or better because some
people have what I call Pilot's eyes which means you have like 2010 or 2015 Vision then you know
the smaller the better so 22 inch 1080p 1440p for 1440p because I know a lot of people
always ask about 1440p we have to always include 1440p 1440p 24 inch I will never
buy anything above 24 inch for 1440p I think 27 inches way too big for 1440p 27 inch
is the absolute maximum for 1440p anything above that is terrible but for like you
want if you want
1440p to look really crisp and really sharp you want 24 inch 1440p think about it like this you
have a desk and you want multi monitors do you really want a giant 27 inch 1440p monitor on the
desk especially if you want to run three of them no you don't you want to go for the smallest size
possible to save on desk space so you can fit more than one side by side so my original setup my
original setup was Triple 24 inch 1440p so my original setup so basically instead of this
Sony
monitor I had three three of these AOC ag241qx 24 inch 1440p freesync monitors that was my setup
for years I had been using the triple 24 inch 1440 144 since the year 2017. I got those three
monitors in 2017. to play Final Fantasy 14 storm blood expansion and before that I was on uh double
or triple I think triple 22 inch 1080p 75 Hertz so TN is for ultra competitive yeah so and I'll tell
you like the a gone these monitors these 24 inch 1440 these things have a one one millisecond
gr
ay to gray response time so so the the IPS monitor the Sony cannot match these TN panels my
24 inch 1440 monitors are actually more responsive than my Sony 4K monitor like I know I literally
have them right next to each other I can tell but the Sony does pretty good though for an IPS so that's what I would say and then for 4K 2160p
what is my recommendation 27 inches now this is one where I know this is going to be the most
controversial although I do kind of think that this is controversial
too I think a lot of people
are going to say that I think okay the nor the normal average Joe or average person will probably
say 27 inch 1440p and they'll probably say 32 inch 4K which is fine so this is kind of the range
right and then I guess the standard person would say 24 inch for 1080p I that one I just hard
disagree uh I think 24 inch 1080p looks super ugly 27 1440 is okay 32 inch 4K is totally
acceptable uh the my thing is I just don't I just don't like having a giant like 32 inch
display on my desk because that's gonna be like you're gonna be what's gonna happen is you're
gonna be you're gonna notice that you move your neck around more than you would like to see
stuff on the screen while you're playing a game which means you would have to push the display
further away from you and then at that point you're defeating the purpose because it's
further away therefore the display ends up looking smaller so in that regard why didn't
you just get a 27 or 28 inch in the f
irst place so I think Sony did it right when Sony chose 27
inches as the size because it's been a long time since Sony has been back in the display especially
the monitor market so I'm actually glad to see Sony return to the gaming peripheral Market
because they've been out of it for a long time and I'm pretty sure they did a lot of research
to determine 27 inch for 4K is the way to go what I'm disappointed to see is the lack of 24
inch 1440p like when I bought my 24 inch 1440 monitors in 2
017 uh there was there was only like
two other options there was one from ViewSonic and the other one I think was like some Korean monitor
or something that you had to import but the point is today there's literally no high refresh 24 inch
1440p monitors they're all 27 inch which is which is very unfortunate thankfully I made the jump
to 4K so I don't really care about 1440p anymore what about the Samsung Odyssey Neo 32 or LG
that's fine those are fine like yeah the the one where out of the
se out of 24 27 so like
okay if I had to choose one if I had to choose between 24 1080 27 1440 or 32 4K I would choose
32 inch 4K over the other two 24 inch 1080p looks ugly it's terrible it's way too big the pixels are
way too big it just looks super ugly 27 inch 1440 is okay because 1440 is dense enough that it still
looks pretty good at 27 inch but 4K I totally understand like met prison was saying that 27
inches too small for 4K I get that like it depends on on the strength of your visi
on at the end of
the day because some people they can't do 27 at 4K because it's it's going to cause them eye strain
so I get that and that's the reason why like if I had to choose it's like yeah I would accept
20 32 inches at 4K um as like a daily driver you got 48 inch 4K 60 hertz on the desk
1440 gaming looks great on it with the AMD I don't know on the desk that just seemed that's
just too much neck movement like you're having to look like you know you're having to kind
of like look a
lot more around to see stuff I like I like where it's like competitive CS
right well okay maybe that's a stretch but you get what I'm saying like with a 27 inch the
display is still small enough that I can see everything on the screen and I still have that
wide field of view that 4K brings while gaming especially for flight and driving yeah I think like a game like uh yeah I could
totally get like Forza and those type of games looking pretty interesting see what I what I'm
waiting for I am
waiting for a OLED screen to get not just lower in price I'm waiting for OLED to
also get to the smaller form factors because right now right now if you want an OLED display well
okay OLED technology today is either in phones which are really really small screens or they're
in like really big TVs and they're super expensive ultrawides are best for flight Sim and racing
yeah or yeah uh Beatles yeah I mean either that or or you could just turn on Affinity if you have a
triple display setup li
ke mine or Nvidia surround so Affinity is amd's surround actually I find
these older Radeon was the first one to come out with like stretching the game on multiple
displays back in 2009 I believe and then Nvidia followed up with their implementation like a
few several months later with Nvidia surround esport shooter or not so yeah the thing with ultrawide is just sometimes
developers just don't think about it it's like an afterthought for them so you end up with games
that don't have Day On
e support for Ultra wide affinity yeah you could do Affinity
on like uh 79 70 Asus Matrix Platinum you could you could run six displays off that
monitor or off that graphics card I should say instead of affinity yeah well okay let's kind of look at more
monitors here because that's just one example so that's the Sony one here
let's go back over here um so Samsung Odyssey was mentioned you were but
this is a 28 inch this would be good the Samsung Odyssey one one millisecond grader gray
free
sync premium Pro g-sync compatible DisplayPort HDMI swivel pivot whatever all that
good stuff so that this is very similar to the the Sony and it's well it's cheaper than that list
price but I think the Sony goes for the same price so you're basically paying the amount of money
that you you're basically paying the MSRP of a 4070 tie for something like this this is
an IPS so this is going to be very similar to that Sony monitor the the difference is
probably going to be in the display's colo
r although Samsung displays are pretty good
too so might even be the same exact panel uh the Samsung G8 oh this one oh wait which one the Neo the Neo or the OLED so here's OLED
remember when I said that OLED is expensive this is an ultra wide this is an ultra wide 2K OLED now think about this though you're paying
you're essentially buying an ultra wide 1440p so this is less resolution than 4K but
you're having to pay more money than a 4080 and almost as much money as the
Baseline MSRP 4090
for a 34 inch Odyssey OLED G8 now this is the reason why
when I said OLED is expensive this is what I mean by OLED is expensive so it's prohibitively
expensive you get that cool RGB ring on the back uh so let's see you're getting Mini DisplayPort
I don't like that I don't like the choices Mini DisplayPort okay my micro HDMI why
Mike what micro HDMI okay you have to buy one of those cables unless it comes
with them USBC upstream and downstream I really don't like those display where's
my st
andard DisplayPort where's my standard HDMI like why why are they using why why is
Samsung trying to cater to like the Apple crowd with look it even has like an apple looking uh stand look at that this is totally catering to
Apple to people who buy Apple stuff it's like they're trying to go to the gamer crowd with the
RGB uh but they're going to the Apple Crowd by putting all these like nonsensical like mini DP
and micro HDMI and it's like okay someone's dog is gonna like just smear all that
and break all
those inputs by like stomping on those cables oh you're talking about the other one this one
so the this is is this curved this looks like it's curved oh it's curved uh I'm not a big
fan of curved displays so you're gonna have to ask some people in the chat on that one
I personally wouldn't buy a curved display unless it was like that Corsair one that
Paul from Paul's Hardware got for his wife um unless it's like that type of curve where
you can choose to make it curved or m
ake it go flat like then I would consider it
but like this but it's always curved uh I don't know I personally don't like
it because I don't like curved displays see like okay if you're if you're not familiar
with curve displays I recommend you need to go into a Best Buy or a Micro Center and look at it
in person like this is not one of those things where you can just buy it because someone on in
the in the chat or myself say yeah it's good get it like no no no no no this is too much money
to
just like buy it based off of somebody telling you you're going to need to look at the it in person you have pld is saying it's it's a one it's a
1000 R curve I didn't even know does it say that yeah that's extreme so it's like you're gonna have
to you're gonna have to like look at it in person LG LG 32 GQ 950 this is a 32 inch 4K okay it's 4K
flat panel Ultra gear freesync premium at these price points they
all better be freesync premium uh this looks the stand on this looks
kind of li
ke my 24 inch monitor stands I'm actually not using any of my monitor
stands I'm actually using them on a triple display arm that's holding them but this
looks kind of like the the AOC 24 inch monitor the way the stand looks at least
the way it connects with the height adjust this actually looks pretty good to me like it
looks really expensive though so like it's uh IPS I don't know this looks like it's
too much I personally wouldn't buy this because it's just way too much money
uh what li
ke what what's the hdr on this I don't see it's funny how they have to advertise the
g-sync one even though it's the same thing like uh uh is this HDR I personally wouldn't buy it um it's too expensive and I don't know if
it's okay it's a uh yeah it's HDR okay yeah it's dark tan okay so it's basically like the
Sony monitor see so this the thing about this this is essentially just like the Sony monitor that I
have except it's way more money and it's larger I don't know it's it has a better st
and
it definitely has a better stand if you're going to use the stand one DisplayPort
to HDMI uh USB 3 Upstream Downstream it it looks a lot like the Sony model except it
has less inputs does it have built-in speakers I don't see any building no reviews I don't know oh this is 900 at Micro
Center LG C2 is a better deal LG C2 the LG C2 yeah yes yes yes this is a better deal this is a better deal 83 inch okay hold on what's
the smallest one 42 42 inches the smallest one I mean I guess I guess
it's a better
deal because it's giving you more screens oh it's OLED wait a minute this is OLED this is a nice TV and it's actually under
a thousand dollars I'm surprised okay it's kind of small though like see the problem
yeah this is nice actually this one's really nice uh the problem with OLED is like okay
anytime you find an OLED TV that's under a thousand dollars it it's always the wrong size
like in this case it's one of those things where it's like for a monitor I would do like for
4K
gaming monitors I would go from 27 inch to 32 inch I wouldn't go above 32 inch if I was buying a
gaming monitor for 4K now for a TV it's completely different because now it kind of depends on how
far away you sit from your TV in your living room I guess if you wanted to use this as a gaming
monitor you could definitely out of the sizes the smallest one is the only one that remotely
makes sense as a gaming monitor for a PC but if I was gonna get one of these
I'd probably go for like a 55
or a 65. and the fact that it's a request prize means that
that's the one that all that everyone's buying so see okay what if we go up to 77 see once you
get up to a certain size less people end up buying them see like this one is actually in stock at
Newegg you don't have to go through a third party seller but look at the price at that point it's
like well uh see now it's just too much money so that's the problem I feel like most people that
are buying an OLED TV are probably gonna go for
65 inches or 55 inches maybe 48 but I'm thinking
more 55 65 is kind of that sweet spot for TV 77 is where it starts getting stupid expensive
and then well like what's 83 83 was like the fourth out yeah see like um yeah it goes it's
it's like the voltage frequency curve for curve Optimizer it starts going up exponentially at a
certain point and it's impossible to overclock it yeah so I mean this is yeah Joey doesn't want a TV though
so I guess this doesn't yeah yeah this one's good it's jus
t yeah if you
can find this at Micro Center at for like 900 yeah this one this one looks
pretty good it has it has a good stand so if you're going to use
the moner stand that's a good one you've got the Sony 77 oh what is that I
don't even know what that is Sony a80j [Music] the a80j you got the 77 inch I can't find it well I'm only
seeing the 83 and the 55. man where's the 77 they all have just the
uh apparently Waltz TV is a third party seller on NewEgg that specializes in selling
TVs b
ecause that name is popping up a lot you sure you got a 77 I can't find the 77 maybe
it's a different generation oh no this is a different one this is not a80 oh it's finding a
it's finding a bunch of a90s that's what it is I typed a80 but it's not I guess it's I guess
this is a newer model it's probably a newer model 32 inch uh okay well let's go
back here let's filter by 32. and I think I did 4K okay you said it has to be 32 inches I wish Newegg
would let me choose just 32 not you know li
ke this hold on let's do oh no no no okay here we
go just remove all of these well we'll do 31.5 okay so here's 32 inch gaming
monitors I I kind of think the Samsung these are all these okay this is a VA panel I don't recommend VA panels I
would probably go with an IPS there's one that a gigabyte has that a lot of
people recommend I forget the model number though this one's this one's seven
this one has built-in speakers I always thought the AOC monitor that
I had was good and this is an A
OC brand see this one's got two HDMI
a display port and a USBC the M32 oh is it an aorus no hold
on I'm just gonna type it in here it is this it why are there what's the difference this one has a KVM I guess first one okay okay non-glare IPS 4K it's not a curved display uh 90
DCI P3 so I think it's I mean that I think that means it's very similar to the Sony monitor 144
Hertz 120 hertz console this is okay it's the same HDR display HDR 400 I think it's the
same might even be the exact same
panel except this one doesn't have
the KVM it has the one USBC and I like that it has a standard stand the Sony one that I have has a really
weird stand but I don't use a stand um but this yeah this one looks for 32 inch yeah I
guess this is probably one that you could consider narrow it down between the 30 well the Sony is a 27 inch you
can't get the Sony in a 32 inch so if you want a 32 inch monitor if you want a 32
inch monitor you can't get the Sony you have to choose between that LG an
d the probably
this gigabyte that LG was that the curved one was that the curved one oh no this was a flat okay this was a
normal one I like the stand on this one so this one is display HDR 1000
whereas the other one was not so this one is display HDR 400. yeah this is display HDR 400 this one is display
HDR 1000 DCI P3 98 percent this one was 90 percent what 10 bit 123 srgb I think this one's gonna look better I think the LG is going to have better color because it's DCI it's DCI profiles
98 versus 90 on the gigabyte so well the thing is the thing is you need to yeah I mean the main
thing is you gotta you you really want to look at them in person because the screen size does
actually matter like for some people 4K at for a lot of people I should say 27 inches is too small
for 4K like a lot of people will get headaches or they'll be forced to what most people will do
if they have a 27 inch monitor at 4K they will raise the the uh what it what do they call it the
the DPI setti
ng to like 125 150 even 200 percent and at that point it makes all your icons and
everything in Windows becomes larger it's almost like zooming in on the web browser but when you do
that the reason why I don't like the idea of doing that is because that just defeats the purpose of
having a 4K display if you're just gonna crank up the zoom the DPI then now you're running your
4k monitor like it's a 1440p monitor it's like why buy a 4k monitor if you're going to zoom
into on everything see so
that's the reason why it's not for everyone like if you get a 32
inch monitor 4K you can run 32 inch at 4K at Native 100 scaling without any issues because
standard human Vision this has been tested like there's medical research that backs up this claim
that I'm about to say but the standard human eye with 20 20 vision the optimal resolution on a
display for 4K resolution is around 30 31 inches so 32 inches 4K is actually ideal for 100
native scaling for all the pixels for someone with nat
ural normal 2020 vision if you go smaller
say 27 inches and you're running a 4K resolution native 100 scaling in Windows now you have what
Apple would call a retina display now it is beyond the human retina's ability to naturally uh handle
the size of like words and just kind of the way the way the digital images are projected via the
pixels if that makes sense so that's the reason why a lot of people will recommend 32-inch
4K monitors for gaming if you're going to be gaming at 4K resolutio
n versus 27 inches
now the reason why I'm okay with 27 inches at 4K now I was skeptical myself at first
and and really the reason why I took so long to make the jump to 4K was because
I was afraid that if I get a 4k monitor I want it to be 27 inches because I have two
other monitors on the same desk I can't put a giant 32 inch display and then have my two
monitors on the side and then be able to see everything without moving you know too much
like looking here and looking there I didn't wa
nt to do that so that so I held off on
getting 4K the other big reason why was graphics cards weren't powerful enough to
handle 4K gaming for the longest time in my mind the first real 4K graphics card from Nvidia
technically would be the 2080 tie but even then the 2080 tie did not age well for 4K gaming
so that was kind of a no-go for me and that was way too much money back then right that was
when graphics cards were still normally priced or I guess uh priced at sane levels but then
30 s
eries came out and then there was the 3080 which when when that came out I was like uh 10
gigabytes of vram is not enough for 4K so I held off on getting one of those I held off on getting
the 4k monitor then AMD launched the uh the 6800 XT and the 6900 XT and I thought okay that's
probably what I'm gonna get because those have enough vram and they're powerful enough to handle
4K gaming now keep in mind this is back in 2020 so um I still ended up not making the jump to 4K
even though I had
a 6900 XT because I was unsure whether my eyes could handle 100 scaling on a 27
inch display because I only ever considered 27 inch 4K monitors I never considered 32 inch or
any of the TVs or any of that kind of stuff so so it wasn't until literally late August of
last year when I finally decided okay you know what I'm gonna go and look at 4K monitors
at Best Buy uh and Micro Center and see if I can actually handle and tolerate 100 scaling at 27
inches at that resolution and I was like okay
it seems like I can do it so then I was like well
if I can't handle I'll just return the monitor so I ended up buying the Sony End Zone from
Best Buy and I've had it ever since and I did a video overview about it like back when I got
I think it was like a few days after I had it so I had a decent amount of time playing around
with the monitor so I had stuff to say about it so hey Marcelo yeah 2080 tie but the thing is when the 2080
tie was reviewed uh reviewers did show its performance at
4K and it was literally the only
card ever that I remember when it first came out like it could actually handle some games at 60
FPS average at 4K and when I saw those results at the time I thought okay finally there's
a graphics card that can actually game at 4K with proper graphic settings and still managed
to average above 60 FPS so but you know that's like okay it's finally here I guess but it's
not doesn't mean that you should upgrade to it so it was really like 30 series and already A
2
where I feel like 4K is re has really arrived so because the vram was up there at 16 at least
on the AMD cards obviously the 3090 had 24. but that was stupid expensive and then it was kind of never available for like its entire
lifespan because of the supply shortages yeah this one I mean I guess my question to
you Joey is what like currently what do you what monitor are you using when
you're benchmarking like in 3D mark like what model do you currently use
to do those tests in the first
place but yeah my today's standards really
the I guess the minimum for 4K is technically a 6800 because it has 16 I wouldn't
I wouldn't recommend a 6800 for 4K but I would say that's kind of the starting point that's a
slow that's that's as low as I would go for 4K realistically it's more like
30 80 tie and 6800 XT 6900 XT freesync premium Pro first time I've seen
that no that's been around for a while g-sync is the thing that kind of died off
because the problem with g-sync g-sync was to
o limiting like I remember when freesync first
came out around like Vegas 64 era and g-sync was limited to to a single display port on the monitor
because that was where the module connected like inside the monitor so like you couldn't do g-sync
on HDMI but freesync did work on HDMI I remember testing that with my Vega 64. I plugged in the AOC
24 inch monitor to the HDMI port on the Vega 64 and I could still turn on freesync and the monitor
still let me turn on freesync on the HDMI input an
d I was like okay we can do freesync on HDMI
that was something you couldn't do with g-sync I think that was ultimately what
killed off g-sync that and the fact that like every monitor OEM just kind
of check the box like yeah it supports those DisplayPort extensions and HDMI
extensions for variable refresh rate you have a 4K Dell but the monitor doesn't
matter in 3dmark because it figures all that to be the same I was going to ask do I need you want g-sync compatible forget about
g-sync no
actually what you want to look for is like freezing premium is
really what you want to look for g-sync compatible is just a synonym for freesync I have videos about g-sync and freesync
like way back I did a bunch of oh not a bunch of I did a video for the GTX 1080 with
g-sync compatible testing g-sync compatible that's specifically what the video did
and I did one for Vegas 64 for freesync so look for a monitor that says freesync freemium
that's all you really need g-sync compatible is the
equivalent if it says g-sync compatible it's
a freesync monitor basically every monitor that says freesync premium or freesync is
basically a g-sync compatible monitor g-sync by itself could mean this is the reason
why sometimes I really don't like like the Nvidia branding of things because it creates a lot of
Confusion And it requires way more explanation so G if a monitor on the box says g-sync it
doesn't say compatible that could mean one of two things that could mean that it is a true
like original old school g-sync monitor that has a module or it's literally just a g-sync compatible
Monitor and whoever made the box packaging couldn't be bothered to write the word compatible
on the sticker and they instead just wrote g-sync Okay so I guess uh real quick there was two other
things that I wanted to do so one of them I do want to mention so there was an article posted
today about this new av-1 video in code single slot card that's meant to go in servers
for the data center
what's cool about this is it's literally one so to stream to encode 1080p
60 video this can do I think 32 concurrent streams or concurrent encoding sessions at one watt per
stream so this is this is this Asic is based off of Technology from zionics so for those who
follow semiconductor chip manufacturing well okay not not manufacturing companies but chip
design companies so think think obviously AMD um and Nvidia but Zion Linux xylinix
is a company that did Asic designs and fpga designs fo
r specific use cases and AMD
acquired xylinix last year so now anything that xylinix makes is now going to go under
the AMD branding basically just like ATI for Radeon became AMD Radeon now xylinix is AMD so
this xylinix Asic is really interesting because here's a good uh slide so what this is going to allow
this isn't really so much for people like me who are just kind of
like a single live streaming session oh wow Joey with a super chat yeah no problem um let me know let me know
tomorrow
what you end up doing like what you end up going with whether it's the LG or something
else because the thing is you might go to Micro Center tomorrow thinking about the LG but then you
might see something else that we didn't even talk about that might actually end up being better
for your use case so I'll be interested to see like what what I would recommend you do when
you go there tomorrow uh ask the sales guys if they have any OLED displays so you can look at an
OLED display because I
know we talked a lot about uh IPS panels so like this one the LG is an IPS
panel but I really think uh if you can find like an OLED gaming monitor if they even actually exist
um that'll be really interesting to see in person because if they do have one I definitely want
to to look at it I I'm obviously won't be able to afford it but I want to see what it looks
like in person as an actual gaming model not not just a giant TV um like an actual gaming
monitor that's an OLED display but I think
that's I really think that that's going to be
the future of display technology like 120 hertz is going to be the standard and OLED is going to
become the standard technology in the long run so it's kind of like my final thoughts on on that but what this is going to do so these
type of Asics are really going to bring it's going to usher in the era of 4K live
streaming is what this is going to do so think of when I say live streaming okay we think
of YouTube twitch you know on-demand live co
ntent I'm thinking more of like Netflix Hulu Disney plus
you know 4K content watching shows HBO you know like being able to stream or watch 4K up to 60 but
being able to have that infrastructure in the data center side so so for example the content provider
will be able to egress or basically output 4K up to 4K 60 maybe even 4K 120 one day using these
sort of Asics so now it's like the slides thing everyone's a streamer yeah but the thing is like
I don't think everyone's gonna have one of t
hese these cards in their computer so it'd be
interesting though like the price point on this I think is like fifteen hundred dollars so
it's it's more expensive than a 7900 XTX almost up there with a 40 90 but the thing is like this
thing this thing can allow you to encode like I think I think the number I'm pretty sure it's in
here 32 concurrent yeah you can do 32 concurrent streams so that means if somebody has this card in
their PC they can stream to YouTube to Twitch to Ustream to Nico
Nico video assuming they still
exist and like basically however many different website content uh video sites they want to with
the single card they can stream their gaming or whatever they want to do like they can live stream
essentially to every live stream website available like from their single PC 1080p 60 they can do
like 32 streams if they do 4K I forget what the number is I think it's like eight eight eight or
a dozen 4K 60. like that's crazy you can even do like 8K 8K av1 encoding
because the thing is this
is all utilizing av1 encoding so the efficiency is just insanely good like one
watt one watt per 1080p stream think about that one watt per stream this is
kind this is a game changer on so many levels like I know it doesn't sound that interesting
right now but this is gonna be a huge thing for companies like Netflix I mean even YouTube
because the way twitch does their streams today is all using CPU twitch is using CPU encoding
to transcribe all of the live strea
m footage that comes in from the various streamers that are
streaming their you know like their gameplay to Twitches Twitches servers then what twitch does is
they they process they decode all of the streams using CPU cores so think epic and Intel Xeon
like they're literally brute forcing all of it using CPUs today they're not using gpus and
they're not using stuff like this av1 encoding card so that's the reason why this is a game
changer because think about how much electricity it costs t
witch to run all those servers with
all those expensive Intel Xeon server CPUs and those AMD epic CPUs how much electricity
that's consuming so if they can drop that down to literally like 32 watts because if this
is doing 32 1080p 60 streams at one watt per stream that's 32 watts 32 watts versus like 300
watts for like an Intel Xeon like and that's one CPU and that that's one card and the thing is you
can fit more than one of these cards in a server right like assuming you've got the pcie
slots you can fit a whole bunch of these in a single server so this is a huge
game changer this is the sort of thing that is really going to push it's finally going
to push the industry out of the Decades of h.264 and x264 software encoding CPU encoding
and really Usher in like a new era where 4K streaming is going to become a thing for pretty
much anybody uh because I think the reason why we're we're uh limited today isn't so much because
of the average streamers PC that is one limitation
but realistically like for me for instance right
like with the 7950x I could stream and the the 7900 XTX there's nothing really stopping me from
streaming at 4K 60 if I wanted like I have the internet speed that can handle the upload I have
the processor and the graphics card and the ram that can handle all the video and coding where
I'm limited is YouTube YouTube will not accept 4K 60 on on Ingress because that's going to
overload their infrastructure if everyone started live streaming in
4k to YouTube or I
guess like twitch is another example like it just wouldn't work right because their servers
would be bogged down with having to process so much high resolution video feed that they would
they would just crash or they would just they would halt like the CPUs would be at 100 and they
would just stutter and it just wouldn't work so that's the reason why this sort of Hardware is
a massive Game Changer because this eliminates the server side uh limitations when it comes to
l
ive streaming and content delivery so huge thing AMD is the first to do something like this um for this many concurrent streams yes they
are the first technically Intel is the first AMD is the second so I talked about Intel's oh
man what was that called Intel uh Data Center media AV one Flex this intel was the first Intel had the data
center GPU Flex series for media processing and delivery so they call it a GPU but it was the
industry's first hardware-based av1 encoder in a GPU which provid
es over so basically
intel was the first but the thing is the Intel's solution okay hold on eight okay yeah
Intel's the first 30 plus simultaneous 1080 yeah yeah so Intel and AMD both have
the same thing now uh the GPU they're calling it a GPU but it's interesting
because this is more like a media encoder so basically Intel and AMD
both have this technology so but I think what's different is the I think
the big thing for AMD is the power consumption because the AMD one is literally
one wa
tt one watt per 1080p60 stream okay faded's asking 750 x3d versus 700x 3D
it depends on your use case and it depends on your budget in general the 7950 X3 is
going to be better but if all you want to do is plug is play a bunch of games 7800
x3d is gonna be way more cost effective 1080p is enough for me um is it that's like somebody in that's like someone
10 years ago saying that 720p is enough for them amd's the first one to do something
like this no okay we answered that and then is the 13
600k faster than this no it's
not we even saw that in the review so this is a huge thing okay so the I
guess the final thing that I wanted to do on this stream was I guess let's
look at let's do some budget builds let's do some budget builds uh or I guess
let's recommend some stuff here uh let's see okay so let's see do they have the do they have all the 3D V cash stuff they have the two okay they do have it so
let's do like a let's do a 7800 X3 build what do you guys think you you think we
should do what what what do I think
about the 7900x and the 13 700k I guess are you asking which one that I would recommend for what I guess what what is the
use case here is this for a gaming PC in general between the two of them you'd be
hard for us to tell the difference honestly the 13700k is going to use more electricity do this one first then the Ultra Mega
budget one will probably am4 compatible okay or aim for components uh in general
I'd probably say 7900x mainly because you can c
hange the CPU for a newer one
while keeping the same exact build like realistically you wouldn't see so
in in gaming this 13700k is going to be a little bit faster but you're not
really going to notice the difference and the other thing too is
you don't have any kind of future upgrade with the 13700k that's the main
reason why I would probably go with the 7900x the other thing too is if you if you choose
to go with ddr4 on the 13700k you're gonna be leaving quite a bit of performance on
t
he table unlike with the Alder Lake CPUs so that's that's the other thing so it's today
in gaming the 13700k is faster than the 7900x most of the time not all the time but most of
the time but the problem is you need to have ddr5 so you don't really gain any sort of
pricing advantage uh if you try to go with ddr4 because if you go with ddr4 then
now the 13700k is actually slower than 7900x except in some games where it still ends up
winning because of the code path differences like I guess
Hitman is one example okay so the CPU Cooler this is what I
would uh I would get uh uh I get this all right I would go with 1700 XD with an air
cooler dark Rock Pro 4. this is a really good one it's under a hundred dollars
so I would just get this is it a good decision to buy a
7700x in the next year upgrade yeah you have that option that's yes I
mean that's that's a totally valid decision and that's the reason why I would recommend
the am5 platform over the LGA 1700 platform just as a rul
e of thumb you get more longevity out
of the platform so in terms of the total platform lifespan you get way more uh lifespan out of
your motherboard if you go with the AMD platform so that's kind of what what I think at
least I mean I myself have experienced that that's the reason why I'm saying that
so okay so let's look at the motherboard uh I would I tend to prefer the b650e
but I don't want m i ITX or matx what do you guys think you guys think uh
let's see they don't have any gigabyte
board why aren't there any gigabyte boards how is this is there like a complete shortage I guess what we should have done
before we started doing this we should have determined what is the overall
budget b650 live mixer is that on there hold on where oh yeah yeah okay
the v650 live mixer is on here yeah you can turn this into an x670 motherboard you can actually upgrade this motherboard so so this is this is the type of uh like modular
build that like not only can you upgrade the CPU later
on and keep the same motherboard
but you can also upgrade the motherboard this motherboard can actually transform that
that's what that's funny it can like this this is not this motherboard's final form like
it can actually transform so that's pretty funny I don't know where gigabytes is I don't know
what happened I was gonna go with a gigabyte motherboard but apparently this website doesn't
have them um so I would probably say the for budget I would probably go with g-skill Flare
X5 for 1
15. unless you guys want RGB but see then that's not the fast speed so I would
go with the oh wait 106. Corsair vengeance versus g-skill flare X oh cast latency 36 okay
it's the same these are Samsung dims by the way see I can tell just by looking at the
numbers if it's Samsung or hynix or micron this one from Corsair with the RGB
this is Micron this is Micron memory it could be Samsung but um it's
probably micron we'd have to look at the 40 40 yeah this is Micron it could be
Samsung thoug
h but I think it's micron Corsair tends to have a lot of Micron
memory when the cast latency is 40. it can transform into an x670 motherboard like this okay so for those that don't
know this motherboard from ASRock the live mixer this is a one of a kind this is
the only motherboard that has the ability to transform just like Frieza and the Saiyans
this motherboard can actually go Super Saiyan it can go it can take it can it starts in its base
form of b650 and it can actually transform into
an x670 and no I'm not making this up I'm actually
100 serious this is all real what I'm telling you so we would probably start with this one and
then if you need to upgrade the motherboard you can transform the motherboard into x670. so
the cool thing is this has this has a lot of USB 13 USB type A and then you get a 10 gig
USBC and it even has the optical audio and then you have DisplayPort and
HDMI and then the Wi-Fi stuff here got that Optimus Prime [ __ ] yeah pretty much so I guess fo
r the ram I would go with this
one the flare X5 for 115. there was a Corsair for like 100. oh 106. cast latency 36 okay
uh what's this what's like the TR the t-ras 76 versus I think the flare X is better
this one's probably going to be better oh wait 96 okay never mind I guess
the Corsair was a little bit better so and it's a little bit cheaper so
I guess we'll go with the Corsair Corsair Vengeance 6000 CL 36
this memory is probably Samsung just looking at it here 36
36 36 76 this is Sams
ung it's 6 000 yeah this is Samsung this is not high Nix memory at all 100 that is not
high Nix memory okay so storage for plugging more than 10 keyboards no see like
the thing with this here's the thing for me the reason why I go like the fir like most reviewers
they'll just go and start reading about the vrm and stuff no for me all the vrm okay vrm on
all the am5 motherboards is already good like this thing has the tall heat sink with the fins it
has heat sinks here so it's adequately coo
led so it's totally fine it even has this giant heatsink
for the PCI Gen 5 SSD so it has everything that's necessary in terms of the vrm for overclocking but
what I want to see is the USB because here's the thing let's use me as an example so microphone
webcam keyboard mouse that's already for USB then we have Xbox 360 controller then we have uh
Oculus VR headset Oculus sensor Oculus sensor so that's already eight USB then I have my camera so
when I film YouTube videos on the camcorder I ha
ve to transfer them over so I need a USB port for
the cable from the camera so that's another one so what else do I have I think that's it so I I
I myself need at least nine USB ports on the back to be available immediately so this one has 13 so
that's good oh the other thing too is the external Elgato hd60s that needs a USB 3 uh type a port
so that's another one so I I actually need 10 10 ports of USB like starting just straight
up like I need 10 minimum so on the back so that's just one e
xample right
there why this actually matters okay storage I would just go for gen 3 myself
but you could get a Gen 4 if you wanted I would go with a two terabyte crucial P5 Plus four terabyte is still too much money so I would
just go with two terabyte one terabyte's too small crucial P3 for 124. Samsung oh that's 500. this is actually pretty good price though this
crucial this is actually pretty good four terabyte four terabyte for 225 so wait a minute
how much was that that two terabyte o
ne okay that's still that's still pretty good
but you know the best time to buy SSD drives is in the fall in Q4 during the holiday season
you'll find really good deals on the nvme drives see this is is this 13 600k faster than the 1500
x3d in gaming uh sometimes it is but oftentimes it's not so it's kind of a wash
between the two of them I would say in more in older games in older games the 13 600k
tends to be faster than the 5800 X3 but in newer games that benefit from the cash I think
wh
at you'll find is the in a lot of scenarios the 5800 x3d is actually going to be faster the
other thing too is games that games that are not well optimized but they're also new or they're
what for whatever reason Ever Changing like the best case I can give you the best example
I can give you is Star Citizen Star Citizen runs better on up until the the new 3D vcash
CPUs from AMD the 5800 X 3D was the best CPU for Star Citizen hands down it was better than all
of the new like 17 700x 7900x 79
50x all the Intel 12th gen all the Intel 13th gen all those CPUs
were slower than the 5800 X 3D in Star Citizen now that all changed when the new AMD you know
7950x3d 7900 X3 and now the 7800 X3 now those CPUs are the fastest CPUs for Star Citizen but
for the longest time the 5800x3d was the best CPU for that kind of like it's I don't even
know what they call that game it's a game but it's like it's it's forever in Alpha it's like
they're never going to make this game a real game it's hard
to say but that but go ask anybody
that plays Star Citizen and they will tell you that the 5800 x3d is the best CPU
for gaming because Star Citizen has forever been an unoptimized Mass and
the V cash CPU was able to Brute Force its way through all of the unoptimized garbage in
that game and actually average above 60 FPS is there really a critical difference between
running games from a SATA SSD and nvme one most of the time no but uh I would probably run
nvme especially because with games
like Spider-Man with the Sony games coming to PC and with the
direct storage technology potentially being implemented in future games I would recommend
nvme if you're going to be playing games on the PC so I would go with nvme now the
thing is the Gen 3 versus the Gen 4 versus the Gen 5. that is where
you don't really see much of a benefit literally you would have to be playing a game like
forespoken to see any significant difference in terms of performance so I I personally would just
buy
a gen 3. so like I would go well this is this is kind of expensive for Gen 3. so uh I'm looking
for two terabyte this is actually pretty decent for two terabyte it has to be less than 200 so
for me two terabyte has to be between 100 and 200 dollars one terabyte needs to be under 100
but I wouldn't consider one teraby because it's too small so I like the idea this one at 130 this
one at one okay we're just gonna go with this one that's a two terabyte Gen4 so
yeah for one okay that's good do
es it deserve to upgrade at the moment for
people that are sitting on am4 uh not really I really think that if somebody is on am4 today and
they're on a 5800x 3D they don't need to upgrade the same thing goes if you're on a
high core like like for example 5950x if you have a 5950x you don't
need to upgrade today because it's not really like yes the new am5 CPUs
are faster and the Intel CPUs are also faster than the 5000 series but the thing is if you
upgrade from a 5950x to a 7950x or a 79
50x 3D it depends on what games you play I I really
don't think it's worth it because you probably won't notice a huge difference in the games that
you're playing so then then you'll start thinking oh I think I wasted money buying all this stuff
because the old like the am4 platform is still strong provided you're on Zen three now if you're
on Zen one or Zen 2 then the then it makes more sense but then I guess the counter argument there
is if you have a motherboard that supports Zen 3 you c
an just update the BIOS and buy you know like
a 5800x 3D and that's what most people will tell you so it's one of those things where am4 was so
successful and lasted for so many generations that if you upgrade or if you're on the final
generation of am4 so in this case Zen 3 or the 5000 series ryzen CPUs you don't really need
to upgrade from that because it's still going to be good especially if you have the 5800x3d and
you're and you're looking at gaming performance okay so let's choose it
now here's the
big one everyone's gonna this is the most controversial topic choose a video card
now did we establish the price point are we trying to be are we trying to
be under fifteen hundred dollars like I guess what's the um what's the criteria
here for this build I I don't think we established what we're doing I don't think we know what
we're doing we're we're just choosing parts so I like this motherboard because it can
transform into a full x670 CPU cooling air cooling is good yo
u don't need anything
better than this for this CPU so that's fine you wanted to say if if you
have okay if you have 26 of this I would say in most cases in most for most people
I would say that it's better to just get the 5800x 3D you save so much money that way however if
you are considering a higher core count CPU like for example 12 or 16 thread then I
think there is an argument in favor of am5 because the reason why I say that is because
yes you could get you could go from a 2600x or
3600 to a 5950x and that's
still going to be a substantial upgrade but the 5950x if I remember correctly
like what is the price of that that is are we only looking at am oh because
of the motherboard I can't see them um you know what what is that price dad let me see okay so it depends on where you are but this
CPU you know this CPU is around 500 dollars so if you're thinking of getting one of these then it's still going to be cheaper than buying
ddr5 and the motherboard and the 7800x3 or t
he 79 50x or whatever that CPU is so even in that
scenario you still save a lot of money by buying one of these but it's one of those things
where in my opinion if if you're on a 2600x you could get one of these or like a 5800x but
you could also just do a full build because the thing is that system is so old but at
this point in time and ddr5 is becoming more affordable every month it seems so it
I don't know it if you have I would say this if you're on a 3600 or a 2600x or any any
like Z
en one or Zen 2 CPU if your budget is 1 000 US dollars I would just upgrade to am5 if
your budget is less than that then I would say save them okay I mean the CH the options are like
buy the 5000 series or save some money and then just do the full upgrade that's the way I look
at it because yes you could get one of these um or you could just get the 5800x3d assuming
we're talking about gaming because I think that's what we're talking about right this is a
gaming so yeah I mean this is this
yeah the CPU the reason why this CPU is so popular is because
you can take an old PC from four or five years ago maybe even six years ago yeah because ryzen is
like six years old now you could take a computer that's six years old provided at the motherboard
has a bios update that allows you to run this CPU then you can just get the CPU and that's
your upgrade and it's it's going to perform a whole lot better than whatever CPU you had
previously so that's the reason why this CPU is so succes
sful and that's the reason why
I think anybody who adopted the am4 platform uh they understand you know the nice
thing about it is not just the fact that you have upgrade options along the way
but now you get to a scenario where there's a new socket but now you have the choice
not only do you have the choice of choosing from all these other you know Zen three CPUs but now
there's also the choice of the entire new platform so that it just gives you it just gives you
the most options it give
s you more options so it's there's a lot more flexibility I guess
that's the word that I'm looking for flexibility the AMD platforms tend to give you a
lot more flexibility in the long run no matter where you are in the products life
cycle no matter how old your CPU or your motherboard is you have more options
you can either upgrade to the latest the last CPU of that socket which would
be like a 5800 x3d or you could consider just doing a full upgrade to a new platform
for ddr5 for faster
CPUs you know Etc and then and then continue the cycle again because
then the new socket has another long life span so that's that's where I'm thinking in terms
of the options like you know for around three hundred dollars you can just get the 5800x3d and
that's probably going to be good for a long time unoptimized games like Star Citizen prove
that as a pause like a an accurate statement okay so let's go back to the build yes exactly Okay so team red all day an XTX
did we establish an actu
al budget though to re-establish a budget for this because
we're already almost at a thousand dollars if we put an XTX on here
that's going to double the you're saying team red I mean okay are we going for an ultimate
gaming PC I guess get the XTX then hold on where's the just get this ASRock 1049 here's here's one power
color Hellhound Sapphire pulse the ASRock Phantom gaming
is under a thousand dollars which one do we get the Sapphire
Nitro this is the best one right here uh you mean wil
l the 5800 X3
be a better upgrade than the well you're talking about two different
components though CPU and a GPU or completely different things in terms of what
how it's going to change the Behavior Uh the so I would probably get the 5800 X 3D before
upgrading the graphics card you get the Nitro yeah well The Vapor chamber issue doesn't
even exist anymore that was already fixed uh yeah okay we'll just get this man that are we trying to like save money
in any way here or what are we doing
because we're getting we're getting a b650 board
but we're getting a 1 000 graphics card okay let's let's go with uh let's go with the fractal
torrent RGB where is that at hold on where's the fractal design torrent I don't want compact where's the torrent RGB like why why are they
not showing why are they hiding it from me 230 I can't find the one that I'm looking for I'm
looking for my case I can't okay there is that it is this it this doesn't have the the lights though you could save in u
sing Linux
instead of buying a Windows yeah but then then uh some
of the Steam games won't work I guess this one this is really annoying
they're not showing me the RGB one I don't want the compact I 213 why are there all these different ones
I might just not get a fractal one at all 206. you know what forget about fractal let's
let's look for somebody else get Corsair or Leanne Lee Corsair 5000 this is okay at least it's under
200 these cases are super expensive though man seven thousand d
what case should I get guys
I don't know what case to get I was gonna I was going to get the fractal tour I can't find
it I can't find the one that has the RGB fans how much space does this case have for a GPU the Nitro is a long one yeah
the torrent can fit the Nitro that's why I'm looking for the torrent okay
you know what he just just do it look I'm just gonna grab it I'm just gonna find the
first one I can find here it is I found it that's it this is the case that I have this is
the c
ase that we're streaming we are literally streaming on a PC right now that has this case
this is it with the fan with the Prisma fans like an Elemental Hero Neo Prisma okay we're gonna go with this it's wow what it's that
expensive man that's expensive twenty three hundred dollars okay now we need a power supply so the power
supply I'm just gonna go ahead and choose the uh where is it hold on gamdius makes power supplies G skill oh a new
G skill made power supplies uh where's MSI this one th
ere it is okay that's a lot for a
power supply okay uh there's the power supply this this this this are we done operating
oh we have to get the operating system okay the operating system we'll just skip
because we'll just do you see you you are CD keys or whoever those whatever
so and then the monitor do we really need a monitor just use the old one okay
Joey's monitor Joey's monitor the LG uh or or maybe just get the gigabyte
that's gonna be a lot more affordable 4K I'll just get the giga
byte because it's 500.
hold on first of all eliminate all this put 4K HP Omen that's whoa what is this
65 oh that's a TV Pro R that's what I like how the gigabyte is
like the third one on the list and it's so much cheaper than
the things that are surrounding it Joey sync Corsair 6000d I mean yeah
I was or 5000d I was considering that before I got the fractal case 650
watt just to live dangerously now 530 or 4K is actually amazing yeah considering
it's uh 144 Hertz one millisecond greater
Gray IPS IPS uh 16 yeah I might just go with
that one here's a 60 hertz LG for 220. you know what I should do just do this here
let's go with the first one that can do 144. all these 60 maybe that was a bad
idea now I can't find that gigabyte an Acer 32 inch it's a VA panel yeah well I think I think some of them are TVs yeah that Acer one was the first one I guess we're
just gonna get the gigabyte because it's the first one that's 144 that's actually good so we'll just
get this okay total p
rice three thousand dollars three thousand dollars do we need to do we need to get like a uh oh they don't have like 10 gigabit
LAN hold on do we need an optical drive there's none there's no optical drive uh we don't need any of this stuff oh wait
you know what okay never mind the be quiet includes the thermal compound so we don't
need to worry about that I guess that's it so so now we need to figure out how to
actually fit this into a certain budget to install Doom 3 yeah I know at least
yeah Microcenter still has Optical drives but this website doesn't have them I guess uh
yeah the we didn't include headphones keyboards oh headphones headphones so I guess we're doing
the full build we're gonna do the full build I guess in terms so we need everything we need all
this stuff too uh what what do you guys recommend I would say is the Sennheiser
560s good is this good so for those wandering I'm actually
using Sennheiser Headphones right now I'm using Sennheiser HD 558 yeah these
are where's the number
yeah these are Sennheiser hd558 I've had these for 10 years or maybe even longer still the original cable and everything so these are legendary probably I don't I don't know if I'll ever
upgrade my headphones or change headphones it's funny because the other PC so you guys so
the the benchmarking PC and and I guess if there's anybody in the chat who knows headphones pld seems
like he knows what's up with the Sennheiser so this one so this pair of Sennheiser headphones
that I use with the benchmarking PC which is the 7950x 3D this one is the uh where's the model
number so this is the HD 599se so this is the HD 599 special edition from Sennheiser that's
that's what I use on The Benchmark PC and then the one that I'm using right now I said it was
the 558 I kind of like the 558 more because the mid-range is better whereas I feel like the
highs on the 599 is a little bit too much so um I don't know I tend to prefer
a more neutral tone when listening you sti
ll have the floppy in the older computer I still have my Blu-ray burner
in my in the Home Server PC actually The Benchmark PC has a DVD burner in it
so the 7950x3 has access to a DVD burner so the only so the only PC that I have that doesn't have
a DVD drive funnily enough is the streaming PC so the 70 this one the 7950x that one doesn't have an
optical drive because it's on the fractal torrent so have we figured out what
we're gonna do about the headphone stuff I think what I would
go wit
h honestly is the Audio Technica if we're trying to save money
I would go with Audio Technica where are they Audio Technica there is a really
nice Micro Center has these and I was tempted to buy them if I can find it on this list but Micro
Center has some really nice gaming is it this one uh no it's not that they have built in it has a built-in microphone
so it's meant for gaming I think it's a t h oh I forgot the model number I have no idea what
the model number is so I guess we're gonna h
ave to go Sennheiser I have no idea what I'm looking for
anymore all I know is Micro Center has them and higher end Audio Technica yeah I was thinking
so man what is the name of the hold on so I was gonna look at the tech PowerUp review but I think
we've already kind of concluded that it's good CES is this it this one oh this is it okay gamers are in for
a treat Audio Technica is now firmly into the gaming headset territory
with the ath G1 wired analog and yeah I think it's I think it's thi
s one ath G1 uh wired not wireless this is Wireless they don't have the wired one I don't like
wireless headphones because they don't because I don't want the
battery like just dying randomly anyway let's go back to Sennheiser I can't find the one I'm looking for so
we're going to Sennheiser cheap out by getting bootleg airpods the these suggest these
suggestions to Bootleg airpods you might as well you might
as well game on a laptop okay here's uh wait a minute
what 120. they still make t
hese they still make these I bet
these were completely gone hey wait a minute whoa the the the price
of my these are my headphones so this is what the these are the headphones that I'm
wearing these are not manufactured anymore uh so the the used price is like 488 wow I paid
120 for these from Best Buy like a decade ago uh why is this so much harder
than it needs to be I guess this is a decent price I don't know if these are good
but these are a decent oh wait here's the okay I know these
are good I know this is actually good
this one is the one that I use with the Benchmark PC so I guess we'll just get this because I know
this one's good that's kind of expensive though but I know these are good so
I'm probably gonna go with those 265 for a Sennheiser HD seems
like a good deal where was that yeah but see this is like the thing about this the these are really nice but these are more like
entry level Studio headphones if that makes sense so these are more for like editing edit
ing as
opposed to listening well I mean editing for to listen well okay how should I say this these
are meant for like Studio editing whereas on the cheap versus like what I'm looking for is
something that's good for gaming and listening to music because I think that's more of like the
the proper use case for what we're building here so I agree that is actually pretty
good for it for the HD 600 um man I really wish they still made five five eights I would buy like a second
one just to have
a backup uh I'm leaning more toward this the 599 SC
599sc is very similar to 558 except the highs are slightly stronger and
the base is slightly weaker so at this point I don't know if we're
trying to fit under a budget but it but it kind of has to all look this
just sold out while we were taking our time while we were wasting time talking about
peripherals the 7800 XV is no longer available which means it attracted that
section that 450 dollars is gone okay so does this mean we need to t
ry
to look into fitting this into a budget now because we've lost our 7800 X
3D to scalpers and Bots [Laughter] well this failed this failed
the scalpers and Bots like grabbed the 1700 X3 while we were wasting
time looking at headphones and monitors how much is the nonx uh it's probably really it's
probably pretty cheap actually uh let's change this we'll have to get a different CPU now that's
completely gone [Music] um well you know what it's oh right here four so Micro
Center has this f
or like 300. so I guess I guess should we
get this or just get this thing let's get one of these and upgrade
later it's still eight core 16 thread hold on this thing was 449 so what's
the CPU that's close to that this is actually cheaper than that the thing
is we're buying a CPU are we trying to fit under a budget or what like I
don't know what we're trying to do oh I I need some I need some guidance from the
chat I don't know what we're doing anymore we can't we can't get this CPU so that
's kind of
off the table now so much for the king of Gaming I guess get this and then remove this because we don't need it okay let's do let's do fifteen hundred
dollars no more than fifteen hundred dollars so obviously huh goodbye Sapphire Nitro if we're doing goodbye gigabyte monitor still it's over goodbye Sennheiser expensive
headphones uh and this power supply 300 power supply get out of here and the fractal torrent
also is not going to be selected so okay if we're doing this on the che
ap this needs to
be cheaper that has to be you know like okay so I still think we can stay with these three we
don't need a CPU Cooler because this thing has one okay I I kind of think yeah so hold on
the only thing is if we go with this it's saying compatibility warning oh
because the power supply is not there we have to get a CPU Cooler so I guess
we got to put this thing in there again for storage just run everything from the cloud are we are we going to be using uh
GeForce now do we go
tta go G-Force now do you so if if you had does anybody know if you
have a G-Force now subscription do you even need a graphics card can't we just use the integrated
ryzen graphics and just connect to the cloud do you have to have a g like if if someone's
using GeForce now to game off the cloud what would be the purpose of having an Nvidia graphics
card you don't need a graphics card okay so are we gonna do that we're just gonna go cloud gaming
we don't we don't need any graphics card then
like you don't even really need I
guess I guess the 32 gigabytes of RAM uh we probably need to get a better motherboard
or like a cheaper motherboard let's see this is this is under a hundred
dollars what's the first ATX board really the live mixer is the very
first like the cheapest ATX motherboard so we were already there in terms of the cheapest
motherboard for the full ATX you get the same rent okay you know what I'm just gonna go
put this back in here get the sabrant for all you said
it was uh that's four that's eight terabyte this one 179
though the one that I had was cheaper was 120. see the thing is we don't we can save money
on buying a Gen 4 SSD that doesn't have a heatsink because the motherboard
already has a heatsink the blue one what's the blue one I don't know what what's the blue one I can't Western this hey this is a hundred this is
actually you know what this might be the way to go this is almost a hundred dollars for a
two terabyte I might actually go with
that it's a gen 3 drive but whatever okay so
we're still now we have enough money to buy a graphics card remaining we stepped we still
have to buy a power supply though so I think we should choose a power supply first I guess uh
RM 850 you know what I would go with the RM 1000 RM 1000 that's under 200 so
that we're okay so we have you know like 400 something dollars for a
graphics card so I know what I recommend someone someone said team red all the way but I kind of think I kind of
think
we should get one of these look at that we're still
within fifteen hundred dollars all we need is a case for like a hundred dollars uh is the Corsair Corsair four thousand fractal design Focus I don't
know how good that is at all is this good does anybody know is this too small the rare team purple bill yeah that's usually what I would
do before before I got the 7900 XT I was running Intel Arc with
the uh like the 7700x or whatever just build the PC on the motherboard box what is this zombi
e Neo I thought Zalman
went bankrupt Zolman is still alive that looks like uh I don't know this looks very Bland
man I I kind of think you know that fractal thing that I saw earlier
is the only one that makes sense fractal design Focus two this one I think this one makes sense I'm just
gonna it's it looks really small though uh you know we used to have gamdius peripherals
so I actually have I still have a gamdius mouse and keyboard and the gambius um keyboard is
a Cherry MX Blue so it's th
e loud clicky one it had issues like Keys would not re like if I if I press I think it was the J or
the G key one of the keys in the middle would not register correctly and then like
the T or the y key would register twice so not very good and then the mouse the gambiest
mouse that I had I went like there was a firmware update for the mouse so as soon as it updated
the firmware it bricked the mouse so I had to return it to Newegg and then get a replacement
and then when the new one came in
I never upgraded the firmware on it so for fear that it would
just you know brick the mouse again so yeah I haven't really done anything with the gambiest
brand ever since that nightmare experience where the mouse killed itself when it updated the
firmware and the keyboard just didn't really work correctly after like two months or after after
the Newegg return window so I was like yeah no I guess they're still around jamdius so yeah I guess I I assume that their stuff
is better now I think
they're a Korean company if I remember correctly unless they got
bought out by like some other company gamdius Apollo but see this looks so short
this is not going to be good for airflow at all so I kind of like Joey's idea of the 5000
oh the 5000 D is only one 20 something is that over uh that's just over but
this is a this is a good size like this okay it doesn't have the mesh panel so maybe unless it's optional unless it
comes with both front covers anyway uh there you go guys so basical
ly Intel
Arc and a 7700x essentially this is the PC that I built like back in December that's essentially
what the what I had except the case is different the power supply is different and the
motherboard's different and and the cooler so instead of a be quiet I have a knock to
a but this is equivalent to a knock to a nhd15 so so this is it 32 gigs of RAM CL 36 6000 so this Ram is Samsung memory which
is basically that's fine um yeah that's it who would have thought Intel Arc I would have
never guessed we end up with an Intel Arc uh the only other thing I could think of
you want to if you want to change stuff the case and the Intel graphics card could
probably be different oh I forgot the monitor so if we have to include the monitor we're
gonna have to downsize some other stuff okay let's add a monitor uh how are
we gonna make this fit fifteen hundred dollars see when I when I think of
budgeting for a build I think like the tower and everything in it needs
to fit into a cer
tain dollar amount anything that's like the keyboard the mouse the
headphone all that stuff is kind of like extra so I don't know if we want to include the monitor
though obviously it's Intel Arc so we're not going to be getting any kind of like crazy
4k monitor so this would be a 1080p display screen size I would say up to 22 inches and it would be 1080p remember what I said
before about 1080p I would get a 22 inch monitor so basically any of these here we go some
random vo I've never hear
d of these guys but this is a 144 Hertz 22 inch 1080p
I'm probably gonna get one of those that's probably the one it's 144.
is it true 144 at that size though VA panel cheap tip okay it's okay that
sounds really interesting uh it doesn't say that it's IPS from completed build AMD gaming build this guy posted twice is this a bot Aiden Calhoun is this a bot this dude like two
years three months ago two years one month ago use the display board cable
or you will get 120 hertz Best Buy has this
thing anyway uh I think we're gonna get that one 22 inch 144 Hertz 1080p yeah I think that's the one okay and then so we're
still under now we have to just get a power supply I guess the rm850 is enough just over with the monitor it's just over and of
course the windows would be like from UCD Keys Ur CD keys or whatever for like ten dollars
or something so 15 or whatever so basically it's a right around sixteen hundred dollars so a
hundred dollars over the only thing I can think of to drop
the price further would be to change the
motherboard for a different motherboard just to shave off like it's realistically it's not going
to be able to bring this down to 1500 still gonna be over so I guess we'll just stick with this
motherboard because that's a really good one so why 5000d uh because of the airflow
it's large enough to give us good enough airflow for everything and this
is a full air cooled build anyway so I mean I guess we could go cheaper on the case but you want this to
be somewhat competent
though like we're not trying to we're not trying to do like a 600 challenge or whatever you
know what I'm saying so this seems pretty decent you get Intel Arc 16 gigabyte graphics card
with a 144 Hertz 1080p monitor that's that's very surprising I didn't expect to ever
find a 22 inch monitor that does 144 Hertz now we're going to build an ultra Cheapo
okay what are we gonna do what's what's the price point on this Ultra Cheapo and the
question is do we have to includ
e the monitor because we technically didn't include a keyboard
or a mouse so what I'm saying is forget about the monitor why don't we just do like the the Tower
with all the stuff in it because when you start adding the external things I don't know because
we technically we don't have you know a keyboard like literally this is a monitor and a computer
tower like that's not actually enough stuff so I guess let's do the ultra Cheapo
but let's not include the monitor just use a TV yeah okay so
forget
about the monitor so now we're gonna do I I guess what's the price that we're gonna try
to hit one thousand dollars eight hundred dollars are we going let's let's do let's do eight
hundred dollars let's do 800 the reason why I'm saying eight hundred dollars is because
my I think my first or second PC build was an 800 build for myself like years ago so let's do
eight hundred dollars that sounds like it's fair so we need to remove this we're probably gonna
have to remove the CPU and
get something else honestly remove the this thing
okay so we're gonna go El Cheapo so we need to go with one of these rot like one
of these non-x things that include the cooler uh probably this because I get
to save money on the cooler so the ryzen 7 700 I don't
need the CPU Cooler change this we don't need a transforming motherboard so uh get the look at that this thing doesn't even
have any heatsinks on the top vrm it'll probably be fine let's see one two
three four five six seven it doe
sn't have enough USB ports so we need to find
one that has like nine USB ports one two three four five six seven eight this one
this one almost manages to to do that it has eight I think one of them was a USBC though look at that's terrible 5 USB and a USBC our faith is gonna cool it man this thing is like almost as big as the
or that's almost as much money as the live mixer I keep thinking we're probably
gonna end up with the live mixer again it's this this is the cheapest uh uh full ATX I
think we're gonna have to stick with
the live mixer because it has all the USB ports okay the memory we have to go cheaper on the memory we have to get like
5200 megahertz or something uh I refuse to do 16 gigabytes of RAM I guess we're gonna end up
getting the first 32 gigabyte kit okay here it is 94 dollars that's
really not saving that much it's only if you know it's 4 800. okay this
one's silicon power 95 it's uh DDR 5600 okay that's it's still a thousand dollars what
okay this has to
go and the case has to go and the Western Digital has to go
we're gonna have to get a SATA drive just get tighter timing lower speed
I mean that's what we're gonna do I mean we're gonna have to do this this is the
cheapest this is the cheapest 32 gigabyte kit it's a under a 100 and 5600 that's not terrible
actually this is probably Micron memory X power used to be a name for MSI super
high-end motherboards like before MSI had Godlike X power was the old name
There Was X power and it was M
power and then they got rid of both and
they just got Godlike after that all right we're gonna have to
go with some cheap SATA drive SSD probably a one terabyte or something that's a spindle drive I need to
sort this this is like way too much SSD two and a half inch well okay you know
what we'll do this and we'll do 2280 see what we get okay the cheapest one uh capacity they have them that small well whatever we're not gonna find
anything like that okay I guess whoa you can get a cheap one
for that I guess what's the cheapest two terabyte hey there's actually an nvme oh that's a SATA nvme
no that's PCI gen 3. wait a minute there's a PCI gen 3 for this this is uh this is basically
like that Black Friday deal at Micro Center here's the Intel 6 to 670p for 80 Intel from a random brand no that's why that's
why I got the Intel you can get a 970 for 60. yeah it's a one terabyte here for
twenty dollars more we got a two terabyte oh we only have a hundred dollars uh [Music]
we may en
d up having to get a lower end CPU I guess the requirements the requirements are that it has to be am5 right so I
guess that makes it challenging maybe this is the best one hold on is there like
that other one where's the regular okay this one there we have to go with the six core
with the built-in with the included cooler yeah we might have to go with
uh I'm thinking uh G-Force now we're gonna have to go with GeForce now cloud
gaming just just game in the cloud we don't need the graphics c
ard um this puts us this this
gives this gives us like two okay we got to get a really really cheap power supply so we're going to
go oh man this is this is the living life on the edge right here this is living life on the edge
thermaltake tr2 500 watt that's forty dollars is this is that worth it though
is that gonna actually survive does this even have enough connections for
a it looks like it supports an eight pin this only has one eight pin
for the CPU and it has one uh eight pin plus
six pin off of the same cable I don't think this is going to work I
really don't think this is going to work uh I I don't think we can do
this for eight hundred dollars it's not going to work the power supplies for for
one thing the power supply is this is like this is like a ticking Time Bomb if we go with some cheap
like 20 like what was this twenty four dollars cool Max cool Max 500 watt for twenty four dollars 500 watts for twenty dollars this is either
the best OEM or this is a ticking
time bomb that'll roast the entire PC it'll destroy
everything what on Earth is this build yeah I know it's gonna blow up if you look
raw if you look at it wrong yeah I don't know I I kind of think
of 600 700 watt is okay I just don't trust any of these things though
has anybody heard of this Raid Max this sounds like this sounds like the
stuff that you spray to kill mosquitoes this is they make 700 watt power
supplies that wattage is actually pretty good they claim it's 80
plus bronze b
ut it's so unknown rage Shadow Legends where is
that was that an actual thing that sounds cool wasn't bit Phoenix reputable was were they
oh that does sound familiar fifty dollars so the thing is how do we know okay
I guess this is not modular which is totally fine for this price point 700 Watts there's there's no reviews all off brand it's fine Raid Max there's that Raid Max again I just
don't know who that who's the OEM for these guys deep cool Corsair with a 450 that's just see
this is t
wo like 60 for 450 but at least it's like it's not going to explode but it's not high
enough I don't know like we haven't even looked at the graphics card yet but I guess this is
okay if it's 600 watt Silverstone that was a good brand actually where is the Silverstone at oh
right here Strider 500 watts is kind of low though see if if this was 600 I'd be okay with this one
isn't deep cool supposed to be like decent but obviously these guys don't make power supplies
they're just oh they're ju
st doing the OEM thing so did the review does anybody know like
see there's no there's no info from anyone so we don't know who makes who actually makes
this because this is clearly not the manufacturer deep cools hit or miss you heard about that one it's bad oh really Silverstone essential thermaltake
tough power gx2 see like this to me 600 watts 600 or 600 watts 60 dollars
that seems reasonable 80 plus gold this one starts this is where things start
looking a little bit more reasonable it
's not modular but that's okay 80
plus gold I mean this this one I'm probably gonna go with the thermaltake tough
power gx2 this sounds like it's reasonable are we gonna be over the price point
though okay we have about a hundred fifty dollars for a graphics card oh
wait we don't even have a case yet uh Cooler Master Master box just get this
Cooler Master Master box fifty dollars there we have a hundred dollars for a graphics card okay one hundred dollars for a graphics
card this is going
to be very interesting uh uh I've never even really thought about
what you can get at a hundred dollars the GT 1030 guys look it's the GT 1030 is
the RX 580 really that much where is it was the RX 580 even here oh it is but it's uh not a hundred dollars you know what that might actually be
yeah that might actually be the one well hold on there's a 65 100xt
but that has less vram though how can the GT 1030 be 150 if a Radeon
if us like a 6500 XT is 150 dollars you need an eight gigabyte yeah
I was gonna
say like that's the thing that eight gigabytes pld save this build 980 you can jump it hold on if we put this in how much are
we over we're only over like 58 dollars I think that's reasonable for the tower
now honestly with this GPU in 2023 this graphics card for those that don't know
was new in 2016 [Music] uh 17. 2017 was when I think it was 2017. yeah it was 2017 because
2016 was the 480. and this is literally just a more refined 480. so yeah call it an 850 build
we got clo
se yeah we got close now with this GPU in 2023 you can forget about playing games like
The Last of Us Part One Hogwarts Legacy uh you're obviously gonna be playing at 1080p resolution
uh uh Indie Games will work fine with this GPU but don't expect any kind of you know modern
titles or any of like Horizon zero Dawn and all those other games at least not at anything
above like medium settings it'll be okay for those wondering this thing is like a GTX 1060 or
a I guess a more modern one would
be like a a GTX 16 [Music] or 1650 TI or 16 it gets really
confusing with some of the like the Touring gpus that are not RTX based that's effectively
what this is or it's kind of like a 5500 XT someone rocking a 7600 yeah well I'm just
thinking like who would actually end up with a computer like this see I'm thinking
like a a high school kid a college kid you know they could get this from like a
summer job and then like later on they can save more money and probably upgrade
the GPU realist
ically what I would do is I I typically don't buy used graphics cards but in
this scenario you can probably get a much better graphics card for the same amount of money off of
eBay so that could be another option as well so it's slightly faster than 1070. which one the 580 the how can the 580 be faster than a 1080
or a 1070. it was it was meant to rival the 1060. if if a 580 if a 580 can be slightly faster than
a 1070 that is straight up fine wine right there because those gpus would never c
lose well the 1070 has eight gigabytes of vram 1060 had six or three but I kind of think yeah like this doesn't
to me this build doesn't make any sense like realistically this does not make any
sense and that just goes to show that inflation and just I guess power creep
for computer hardware has just gone up man if if that's true that's straight up fine
wine because that that is basically like the 79 70 uh becoming as fast as a 780 because
that's actually what happened yeah it should it sho
uld be slower but
it's okay you're seeing slightly slower though see that's still that's still a sign
of of fine wine that's pretty crazy though because it like the 580 used was typically
compared with the 1060. no one would ever compare a 580 back in the day to a 1070.
1070 was straight up faster than it so the fact that the Gap so what you're saying
is the gap between the 580 and the 1060 has grown in favor of the 580 which means that the
gap between the 10 7 and 580 has shrunk that is v
ery interesting anecdotal information because
I I didn't think to look at that I knew that the old 7970 [Music] the the granddaddy of the whole
like gcn series started out competing with a 680 and fast forward like seven years later and it's
as fast as a 780. an entire tier above it so I mean I can believe it but uh wow because
typically the newer AMD cards don't the newer AMD cards usually have more of their Max Potential
from the start compared to the older AMD cards and the Nvidia cards
also just have always kind of
just given you the full potential since day one oh oh okay I think I know yeah
well I think the last of us the last of us had a like a hold on okay here we go The Last of Us Part One benchmark
test I don't know if if they actually did no so I think uh who was the was it gamer not Gamer's
Nexus somebody did actually do like the test for The Last of Us like they they actually showed who who was it was
oh it was a horror on box Harbor unboxed did it so it's gonna
go all the way up here um where's their oh wait the last of us here it is okay so these
guys show all the way down yeah here we go okay so the hold on do they even have the old
old gpus in here I don't think they do so look four gigabyte cards can't
handle the V rent well okay that's this is not exactly a great showing for
eight gigabyte cards either uh where is see okay 1440p 1440p look at the difference
between the a well let's look at 1080p okay I don't know I thought it
was Harbor unbo
xed somebody showed the old like 1060 they showed like four gigabyte
and six gigabyte cards uh for the I think it was the last of us I'm pretty sure it was the last
of us and they just straight up couldn't really do the like they just couldn't handle the game
correctly because of the vram so look at this though this is what's interesting notice how
these eight gigabyte cards here in the middle so like the 30 70 tie the 30 70 the 30 60 tie
these cards have terrible minimum minimum frame rate
s of like 16 12 and 13 and their averages are
like in the 50s versus these 12 gigabyte cards that are in the same kind of tier and
they're doing like 53 minimum 64 61 average this is what this is basically what vram uh
limitations look like how they manifest in games so like for instance see even here even these
lower like look here's Intel Intel a770 has 16 gigabytes of video memory minimum 40. average
48. see but there there's frame consistency even though it can't hit 60 it's still consi
stent with
the frame rate so the experience isn't a juttery stuttery mass so the 30 60 12 gigabyte same story
uh the AMD eight gigabyte cards see the eight gigabyte cards on AMD also have the exact same
problem with the eight gigabyte Nvidia cards have this the a750 result is kind of sus well either that or Intel's frame consistency
is pretty consistent but see to me it still kind of makes sense Intel's still running
into vram problems just like the other two because if you look the a750 is
n't supposed
to be that much slower than an a770 yet look at the difference between the a770 and the
a750 see that's like that's a huge drop so it makes sense and the four gigabyte card from AMD
so this one like that doesn't even do anything so um at least it Boots the game at least it runs
the game it's not one of those like did not finish dnf it's like dnf they just don't have a
dnf there that at least it's actually there um and then 1440 see look at that four four look
at that that four
and six are so close together that it looks like the average is it looks like
it's trying to tell us that it's doing 46 FPS 4 FPS minimum six FPS average on a four
gigabyte card at 1440p so what happens at 4K look at that look at that 4K is so hard for
a four gigabyte graphics card to run that the three and the two are fused together like Vegito
the three and the two literally combine into one when you're playing the game
at 4k on a Radeon RX 6500 XT that's how demanding this game is two n
umbers
literally have to fuse together to handle this game so that's crazy see look at that all those
eight gigabyte cards this is the reason why this is the reason why the uh
oh Arc a750 got a six and a nine man until I need to Market their graphics cards
anymore like they're just they're just there like they've already shipped
so many of them waiting for people to buy them it's like they'd cast such
a wide net like they've thrown out so many graphics cards into the market mostly in
Asia
but you know they're just kind of there but see the vast majority of steam users that
bought this game probably have like a 30 60 TI 3070 some are in that range and look at these
results even at look at that 1440p 7 minimum 46. and then the 1080 like the results are
so bad that for the Ampere 30 series cards the fact that Nvidia had to release
a hot fix and had to actually like publish a bug ID that shows up on the steam site
for the game is is very telling that uh 1440 the 3080 is still a
ble to handle it
although you can see the problems look at the Gap in the minimum versus like
the other cards that have more vram this is a prime example why see a game like this
and this is only going to keep happening this this this this scenario of a game releasing and then
everybody complaining because there's not enough vram this is only going to continue for a while uh
as far as I can tell and it's probably just gonna continue because as more games released with like
ue5 and all this
stuff like it's not going away so this is the reason why what I'll say is for those
thinking of upgrading the graphics card you need to strongly consider the video memory the vram as
kind of a primary uh metric when you're looking at graphics cards and evaluating which one should
you get because the vram is more important than than Ray tracing performance or or like average
uh rasterization performance today the vram is what's going to make or break the graphics card
like two years from no
w three years from now the 6800 metric is nearly perfect 53 and 57. yeah but the 6800 XT does break 60
though it's above 60 on the average but see that's the reason why when I was playing
this game I was playing it on an XTX or no yeah so I played the game when I was streaming the
game I was streaming it on the XTX when I was bench like doing the graphics video overview I
was using the XT so in both scenarios it's like it runs good so it's like I couldn't tell what was
going on why everybod
y was complaining because I like I remember looking at the steam page and the
discussion was like the discussion page on Steam was loaded with just negative post like page one
all negative stuff page two all negative stuff like people complaining game is crashing black
screen can't get into the game game won't start um game is stuttering uh super high-end
computer only getting 15 FPS you know like is it really a super high-end computer if
you're getting 15 FPS I don't know about that so peo
ple complaining about their like 2060. or
whatever it was like some six gigabyte graphics card having a problem with the game but then their
friend had the same graphics card and they didn't have the problem well I think I think the answer
there was one of them had a 10 a six gigabyte 2060 the other one had like a 12 gigabyte
2060 or something like that I don't know so so but this is kind of the best example
of why vram is probably one of the most important metrics for determining if
you s
hould get a graphics card or not playing this at low is not worth it
with PS2 textures yeah so someone had asked me about that someone someone
who watched my video they commented why is it that low looks worse than the PS3
the original PS3 edition well the reason is because the the PS3 version of the game
you guys have to remember well I guess when the original game was made the
Developers made the textures of the game looks such a way that it was acceptable quality
like it was decent it w
as good quality essentially on a PS3 that's the reason why they kind of like
baked everything in manually for the textures and it looked fine at the time whereas with
the PC Port there's a lot of this dynamic mapping for how the grid array will build the
texture and or however many textures they're using so it's like the the higher the graphics preset
the more different texture patterns they'll use so it looks more Dynamic it looks more fully
saturated with different looks you know like on
the rocks and the vegetation and the water Etc
everything like the building textures the concrete whatever the characters the clothes everything so
the lower the textures the lower the preset that means the the number of patterns that the game
engine uses to create and overlay those textures becomes less and less Dynamic and it's just more
of like okay there's like two textures now instead of like 14 or whatever so that's the reason why
low looks worse than the PS3 because the PS3 one proba
bly did like you know somewhere between
like six six or eight or nine textures for pretty much any surface it would just generate them so
and it just kind of looked good and it was also meant for you know like 720p so the pixel density
the the way they Blended everything on the PS3 it it was optimized from the start so that's
the reason why the new the Remake on low looks worse than the original PS3 because
it's using less texture patterns at low and it's just it just comes across as just
low quality it just doesn't look good so all right well that's it we did the PC
build challenge over the it's like the 800 challenge we'll call it 8.50 close enough
so it's not like it's crazy over but it's this is very impractical so what this this is a
good exercise for me because I haven't done one of these PC build like hypothetical things
in a long time and it it made me realize that graphics cards are really expensive and at
least for decent ones so it's almost like the the proper bud
get for someone wanting to
upgrade or build a new PC or get into PC gaming it's probably more like a thousand dollars
anywhere from like somewhere between a thousand and fifteen hundred to me seems
like the correct or not correct but like an actual budget number that would get you a
decently competent PC that would be relevant for a while because the problem with this PC
at this price point this is not a relevant GPU in 2023 it's too old it's just not good
but the reality is when we looked
at it there weren't any really good alternatives right like there was nothing in here that
stood out everything was like four gigabytes a bunch of weird like old gpus from 10 years
like the fire pro professional stuff like what what is this stuff so I don't
know that just seems really weird yeah twelve hundred dollars I'm thinking like
yeah I'm thinking like anywhere between a thousand and 500 because you could probably
save some money you can drop it from 1200 to a thousand depending on i
f you're okay with
like a an matx motherboard for instance right because we could have just gone with we
could have just literally chose like this one motherboard from ASRock that's super cheap
but the thing is you know good luck trying to do anything with four USB ports so that's the
only problem with doing something like that so but you know someone could just go
in and say hey I'm just gonna get like this this okay this has more you can run an old
school PS by two mouse so I guess this
gigabyte is decent so what does that do for the price though
see now we're under 800. so someone could just do that right like you get an m-a-tx motherboard
and then now they're we've reduced it by like seventy dollars so you could go from 1200 closer
to like eleven hundred dollars if you do stuff like that but I don't know realistically
to me this isn't realistic because uh uh I wouldn't buy this motherboard
just saying like even if I was gonna spend no more than 150 I wouldn't get this
m
otherboard so yeah so so the reality is like this is just not enough money anymore for
a decent PC I mean really a 580 from 2017. your old IBM model am there's also that
other I forgot what it's called not PS by two but that other one the larger
one the one that PS by two replaced but anyway all right guys that's
gonna be it for this stream uh so I guess the key takeaways to summarize for
those that joined half like toward the end the 7800 X 3D is good but
it's probably gonna sell out with
in the next two days as we saw here it
disappeared while we were trying to build a PC um if you live near a Micro Center
you probably can still get one the one in my area still has them so if you're
doing a new build from like an old DDR3 platform or if you're going to skip Zen 3 or any of the
Intel the equivalents like for instance Alder lake or Raptor Lake and you're going to buy into
this and then this gives you forward compatibility in terms of the platform it's probably a good
choice
it's probably a good time to build the best on the build is probably going to be
in the fall holiday season though but if you can't wait I feel like most people that I know
at least they build PCS in the spring or the winter or like the you know the holiday season
so so basically Q2 and Q4 are usually when most people will do an upgrade or consider an upgrade
some people do it in Q3 but Q3 is really kind of slow historically uh looking at sales Trends
so usually you know April May June that
's when a lot of people upgrade and then if they're not
upgrading in that time of the year then it's gonna be you know October November December so Q2 and
Q4 are the times where most people will upgrade because you get the newer technology and
uh the only difference is you get better you get better potential better deals in
the holiday season for peripherals and like bundles and stuff but you know if if you
don't want to wait I mean now would be the time and then av1 encoding for 4K live st
reaming
is going to become a thing now that we have A6 going into the data center from Intel and AMD
so that's going to be another thing that we're going to hear more about later on in the future
I might do a video about that too but definitely like a video showing G like Nvidia control panel
and Intel Control Center and AMD Radeon settings is probably going to be the next on the list
so the other X3 CPUs vanish as well really no they should still be there oh
wow let's see like this one th
is one's third party this this is scalper
selling it this one is definitely still at Micro Center though but anyway
that's gonna be it for this stream yeah Black Friday for the modern deals yeah
yeah so you could do like a upgrade the build now upgrade the peripherals at the end of the
year that's how some people do it I know like one of my friends couldn't wait last year
and what we ended up doing was upgrading it was an old Intel I've told the story this
probably in the Stream but so we
upgraded the PC from a fourth gen Intel Haswell Devil's Canyon
so a 47 90k which is a DDR3 base platform all the way to a 5800 X 3D it was like May of
last year so it was like almost a year ago because he couldn't wait until because I told
him you know like if you wait until Q4 you're probably gonna have better options because the
new am5 stuff and whatever Intel is gonna do that stuff's gonna be around there'll probably be
new graphics cards but he didn't want to wait so and and looking ba
ck the decision to go
from Intel 4th gen Haswell all the way to 5800x 3D that ended up being a good choice because
you know like the nice thing about that was yes it's the end of am4 but it is the best edition of
am4 it was the most mature bios on the motherboard it was the fastest Zen 3 CPU especially for gaming
AKA 5800x3d so the whole point was New World PVP at like better minimums and average FPS because
that's where a CPU bottleneck manifests in PvP in an MMO that's usually where you'r
e going to see
a CPU bottleneck so that use case was a massive massive upgrade going from an old Intel i7 all
the way to a 5800 X 3D so to be honest like he didn't miss out by not waiting until Zen four
or Intel's Raptor Lake so I think it was good that was a good good timing on the on upgrading
at that point yeah yeah exactly so all right guys well that's just the final example there for
those that are interested in upgrading this spring um we might do some recommendation videos or
someth
ing uh for the channel but once again thank you everybody for watching as always
and I will catch you in the next one thanks
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