both parties have their presumptive nominees but in a development that few would have actually imagined as recently as January 2021 when Republican politicians condemned the violent attacks by Maga fans who literally sent as you see there politicians scurrying for safety now one candidate is campaigning in favor of that crime spree Donald Trump promising to help convicted January 6 riers falsely calling them hostages when they go through the justice system and the AP reports Trump's making the J
anuary 6th attack a Cornerstone of his campaign lying about it arguing it's a good thing and quote positioning the violent Siege as a Cornerstone of his campaign the AP is nonpartisan of course it reports that Trump has used rallies to salute while a recording plays of prisoners in jail for their roles in the Jan 6 attack sing the national anthem an announcer summons the crowd to honor those criminals falsely referring to the again as quote hostages while Trump floats the idea of pardoning them
these are extreme Lawless positions taken against the US government all of this echoing the divisions from the Civil War to Jim Crow when some people maybe not all Americans but some Americans and their leaders openly plot against the federal government now there are some Arch conservative Republicans who argue that Trump's J 6 obsession is bad for the country and also bad politics for Republicans take President Bush's White House veteran Carl Ro he has run many republican campaigns many winning
ones by the way he currently works as a Fox News analyst which is one of those deals that keeps him off other channels although I recently interviewed him and some other Republicans at the Rancho Mirage Writers Festival I talked to Mr Rove and former Trump Chief of Staff Ryan Prius and another Trump White House veteran known for her January 6 testimony Cassidy huteson you can see us there now for K Rove I asked him about January 6 enduring and really now shifting role in this campaign he said s
omething interesting he argues democrats should actually go even harder at Trump's Lawless stance and the vow to Pardon what Rove and you're about to see this what Mr Rove calls Maga thugs not hostages I got to tell you we get to talk to a lot of people and we try to get sourcing and information from a lot of people especially those who have served in government when we do interviews this one was pretty striking I'm going to share Mr Ro's new remarks at some length right now for you here airing
on the beat for the first time if they were smart they' take the January 6 and go hard at it and they would say he wants to Pardon these people who attacked our capital I worked in that building as a Young Man to me the Congress of the United States is one of the great examples of the strength of our of our democracy and a jewel of the Constitution and what those people did when they violently attacked the capital in order to stop a constitutionally mandated meeting of the Congress to accept the
results of the Electoral College is a stain on our history and every one of those sons of who did that we ought to find them try him and send him to jail and and if and if and one of the critical mistakes made in this campaign is that Donald Trump has now said I'm going to Pardon those people because they're hostages no they're not they're thugs there were people some of them had automatic weapons at a hotel in Virginia hoping to be able to be called up we had people saying where's Nancy Pelosi
we had people who were you know taking desks and sitting at the desk of the speaker of the house and attempting to you know find people in order to bring them to justice and saying to the to yelling at the police kill them kill them all and so why Trump has done this is beyond me if he had said you know what I trust our jury system I trust law enforcement anybody who assaulted the capital ought to be I mean he said it once or twice but now he's got he's appearing in a video with people who assa
ulted police officers with an intent to take the capital by force so you know look I'm a republican I don't want to have a Democrat president I want to have a Republican president but we're facing as a country a decision and you all everybody gets to make it as to what kind of leadership we're going to have and to me it is a mistake on the part of the Trump campaign to allow the president's impulses to identify himself with the people who assaulted the capital rather than people who stand for La
w and Order very clear rebuke there Bush veteran Carl Rove confronting mag's Lawless thuggery as he put it shredding Republican party's claim to any Law and Order and Ro as he often does mixing that with his own sort of political math he said it's wrong and he also said it's going to fail for the Republicans in November we should mention Donald Trump has attacked Carl Ro for other comments he's made earlier this year this matters both on the substance as I mentioned but also clearly the politics
Trump needs to consolidate his Republican base to have any hope of making up his deficit against Biden from 2020 and if you can't keep prominent Fox News conservatives like call Ro on his side over this issue that may matter now I mention all the sources we try to hear from when we do our reporting taking up Trump's defense on that same panel was the man you see here in the pathway of power in the halls of power and the actual Oval Office in fact I'm going to leave this photo up for a moment bo
th men you see here were with Donald Trump through January 6 one now completely ostracized after facing the death threats that Donald Trump on court against him former vice president Pence the other Ryan prus still very much in the Maga Camp Mr pus also ran the RNC also on this panel was a republican who joined the Liz Cheney wing of the house January 6 committee you may remember Adam kinginger so right now I also want to play some more from that same panel including part of pre's trump defense
it's a group of people that in one way shows the range of potential Republican party leadership but also shows how the less Maga members are habitually driven out airing for the first time here are those highlights and Joe Biden's message is going to be I'm not for Trump we don't want Trump we can't have the chaos of trump both candidates face the likelihood of losing part of what they had last time around but they also look at Joe Biden and say yeah but the economy is no good there's crime ever
ywhere on Biden's side he's got a problem in that he first of all is lacking enthusiasm among black black Hispanic and young voters Donald Trump in 2016 he was the biggest middle finger that the American people could find and they found it and I actually think that people are more Angry today than they were in 2016 for Trump the problem is is that last time around he lost 8% of Republicans and it was 7 million votes short in the popular vote if he is found guilty in something even if it's the Ne
w York business case it's going to have a an effect this is as high stakes poker as it gets I mean if I think if the president gets acquitted on one of these items I think it's going to be even his chances of winning are going to be even greater the election cannot be won merely among Republicans if you think that Trump being found guilty by the Attorney General's investigation in New York is going to sway the the independent voters in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania and North Carolina good luck cuz
I don't think it is most people uh don't care about any of these issues I think you want them to I think you wish they would this is not I'm going let I'm going to let them finish this is not the 1990s electorate this is 2024 where division is profit and unity is a loser if IID done what he did we'd be having this and the VIS room at Fort lenworth quote division is profit and unity is a loser well you're getting a pretty direct view there from people who have been to the very top and want to go
back to the top in the white house with Donald Trump while Ro again hit that January 6 crimes free prus is insisting most voters are not following these democracy issues the way informed or as some would put it Elite citizens May and those primaries do show Trump has not fixed the cracks in his base from the Haley showing that we saw in the early States one in five of Republicans voting against Trump when he has the only position on the ballot left you see those are some important States like Fl
orida Ohio Republicans saying straight up they don't plan to back him in November these are the stakes and there are people who want to lie to you and make it all disappear or become a kind of confusing soup so when you hear someone like Carl Ro who if you've been watching the news for a minute you might remember was one of the architects of the right-wing Texas Republican Revolution when you lost Carl Rove are you on your way to a big Coalition if there is a free and fair election that's one of
the big questions and as for Mr Prius he argues and we gave him time to make his point that these are over served over indexed East Coast Elite type concerns the people in democracy in New York and a few other pockets might discuss endlessly while the vast majority of Voters he say are focused on other topics we will find out but we hope to be informed along the way hey everyone MSNBC has a new and improved app you'll get realtime alerts and Analysis live blogs in-depth essays video highlights
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