o those special effects okay as we were saying we were rewatching the X Files from season one episode one um the pilot I forget the pilot um we want to talk about it because it's a show that like brought up our Supernatural interests growing up at least for me a little bit for her she's younger yes I was born in ' 89 so but um but we are familiar with it so we want to talk about it just because of how we're discussing how important the Supernatural is yes and storytelling yeah and how I mean you
can't at least from Our Generations you can't possibly discuss Supernatural and not talk about X Files and not talking about [ __ ] X Files like it's it it's it's a it's iconic in so many ways okay so for those who don't know and like basically what happening Dana scly that I think it's 25 at this point in her life uh has been asked to come for an assignment with the FBI so she's 25 she's 25 like the actress is 25 I'm not sure how old Dana is supposed to be but the actress is 25 but the actress
is 25 and she looks super young and I think um molder David davney was like 32 30 between 33 and 34 I don't remember exactly but like they were like a little bit different in age we see you've been us just over two years they she's been with the buau for two years can you imagine having like this super like big assignment two years into your career I was just like like you have to show out like she wants to Fox molder spooky molder he's an Oxford educated psychologist so you can see how like th
ey like they were actually very like aart on like their upbringings or they like a spooky molder no like how ahead of his career he was compared to her oh so he was like like she's like relative newer yeah like to the point where she like studied has studied some of his cases yeah you know your acties along with your observations so in here is We like Let Me pause it so we can discuss so this is kind of like what the premise of the show is so Denis scly like who's kind of like a newbie in the bu
reau the Federal Bureau of Investigation the FBI gets um recruit for this show this show this this show get recruited for this assignment basically babysitting molder yeah yeah you know like basically that's what they're asking her but like they're also like putting her like they they're setting her up for failure in this assignment because people that have worked in the past with Moulder can really like stand they really like they can't really get past his spookiness his eccentricities yeah lik
e that to them he's just too like he's a joke he's a joke and the EXs are a joke like people they just they dismiss it as like why are you looking into the stupid cases that are obviously crazy people you know like they don't take any of it seriously yeah and so this is kind of like in its own way communicating what they're already doing with her like she wants to prove herself and they just want to want someone to babysit him so they're like it can be you you know yeah and also like they can um
to a certain degree like setting him up for failure as well you know yeah because she's so much newer in her yeah so they don't expect to be fruitful yeah they don't expect this to like last yeah they expect this to fail and like in this way it fails and defund or or close out the X Files you know like why are we wasting money on this which if you think about it how many things is the government defunding you know yeah that's true you're defunding essential [ __ ] like aliens essential essentia
l knowledge yeah no but like it it is a point that this kind of like show tries to make is like you really have to [ __ ] demand your [ __ ] government to be transparent with you you know like I've been watching this show a lot I'm like on Season 4 Episode 7even I had already like previously rewatched it back in like 2016 cuz I was like you know what I remember really loving that show when I was little that um it's a different experience that watch holder when you watch it as an adult you realiz
e a lot of things about like the nuances you pick up on the [ __ ] like situation that they put her in you know like if I had been 25 and that had been my assignment oh my God like I don't know if I would have been successful yeah that's a to put on a 25-year-old like in any it's a big undertaking basically and and then like what's implied there is they're they're kind of walk trying to like walk her into a trap in in many ways and they clearly underestimate her so yeah and I think that that's t
hat's that gu like already sets up like the show for something different when they actually go ahead and like meet you know so what happens like there and that she does and you know what I was like so curious about like what sign is Dana scul of course what what sign she's a Pisces which is very interesting to me a Pisces and what is he I don't know that's a good question cuz I always want to know if they're pairing and working together I I want to know like his I want to believe poster oh my Go
d I want that poster I always wanted that poster I want to believe is something if somebody wants to give me this poster please do so that like this is how iconic the show is though like I growing up I knew that I want to believe was connected to X Files before I even watch X Files yes let me see not play by David duy and the TV show it says date of birth October 13 1961 but I don't know if that's like that's the character or him yes the character think so Scorpio October 31st is a Scorpio yeah
let me check or sag no yeah Scorpio Sagittarius doesn't start till November yeah so that's a Scorpio that makes so much sense that's two water signs but it makes so much sense that the that he's a Scorpio Scorpios trust nothing they they they're suspicious of everything everything's suspicious everything is sus everything is sus okay so like now they put him together and wait a minute I've seen these marks and this is the thing like she takes her job so seriously there's even a meme I'm GNA try
to find it and like post it on on our socials but it's there's this mem where it's just like her and it's like doesn't believe in aliens still does her [ __ ] job because she still does her [ __ ] job you know like she she doesn't believe but she still follows the tra she shows up and that's what makes this like I feel like sometimes this show has everything like it just it does have the supernatural aspect that we want to kind of like discuss more of uh but it's also like an actual like cup sho
w you know like an actual like investigative they treat it seriously they don't it's not treated like novelty you know it's treated like this is a real cop show it's just that we investigate aliens yes and I feel like uh as Scully tries like actually brings that to the table a lot you know she brings that she brings that like analytical thinking and he brings more of the magical thinking oh you just know if if it was just up to him he would be running around like and black and I feel like this i
s something that like makes of a really good supernatural show is something that can balance like s five you know like a Sci-Fi show has to have that scientific behind it sigh and five not just the FI but also the sigh or not too much of the Sigh you know like an equal amounts sigh and F and like I I right now like I like I rewatched it a while back but I like watching I'm rewatching it now in preparation of this recording um I was watching it before um and then that's when we decided we need to
record this cuz I have hot takes [Laughter] uh I think that that to me so such a very interesting like storytelling like talk like how do you mix that scientific and magical and like this show does it so beautiful in a grounded way in a grounded way and in and like an enjoyable interesting engaging way and I think that this show does that very well it it it like touches on subjects that could be seen very like skeptically because of the Paranormal aspects of it but it does it in a way that's be
lievable and I don't know how to like and I think that I think because they also like bring in a lot of like that social aspect of why why is our [ __ ] government lying to us you you know yes because they interject a lot of that it's also a political show so this show has like literally everything yeah it really does it's got like the layers you you look at the layers and the nuances and it's commenting on several things at the same time yeah one of those being the non-binary aspect of this wit
hout actually telling you you know like it's not as I would kind of venture to say it's a little bit there even in the pilot mainly because of the colors the colors of like their coats and stuff like that yeah and like if you watch the pilot you can like she it looks very like young very like the way she's dressed like under the coat is very yeah like I would feel like even the people who were creating this character were writing as like doy baby doll yeah type of like but wide eyed and ready to
like make an impression on this like very eager do good at work uh and she doesn't give you none of that she's like I think she played this character as a [ __ ] you're not going to do that yeah it's very it's giving subtle air of authority like yeah it's more of like like like no like let me let me debunk you because that's my [ __ ] job and like I'm GNA yeah I'm going to do my job job to prove this or disprove this like actually do my job even though she doesn't necessarily believe she still
shows up and she no but I think that she believes what she believes that there's actually an explanation for it yes that it can be that easy oh I see you know it's like it's not just as easy as blaming it on Aliens something went on here yes and I think that that's what he needed to actually be more start yes be more effective on his investigation of these things yeah because I mean she finds him in a basement and I'm just like what were you doing before she showed up cuz ain't been in that base
ment since then now they remain in the basement for like the longevity of the show um which is kind of interesting but yeah like like it's it's a show that has like a lot of different layers one of the things that we wanted to kind of like discuss also is U the gender dynamics of the show yes like see like in that one you you can see how he is the one like yeah yeah but like it's crazy how she's walking behind him as the season progresses that totally changes yeah and that like an interview that
I was watching with uh with Jullian Anderson she actually brings this up the way that they were reading these scenes were in for me to walk behind him but like as the character kind of progressed and he progressed pretty quickly I think like in this very same season you can see how like I see it I see it from episode 8 I believe we were watching before to like the pilot yeah yeah like she lead she she leads the investigations they they they balance themselves like it comes to like these beautif
ul balance in where they're both equally engaging with whoever they're interviewing and and whatever like whatever energy is needed at that moment it's like I'll show up for you right now and it's like I know you don't have this I'll I'll bring it and like I know you don't have this I'll bring it they start learning how to like balance each other out balance each other out yeah which is very like I mean they balance each other out in the pretty androgenous way as well they're both very pleasing
to look at but that's the thing like I think that that's something that a lot of like people sometimes don't like talk about it's how these characters were written in a way that like they're very crushable like you could have a crush on either of these characters and and and I think that that really helped for a lot of Youth to be interested in this show I feel like lot of a lot of people when I was watching this show my age I was probably I wish Paloma was here Paloma you remember she um we use
d to watch this show growing up I I think we were probably like 13 14 like I don't know um we grew up watching this and like I don't know I feel like it was very nice to see characters that were actually somewhere outside the binary yes yes and as you we were talking like it's also interesting that because you watched it during the time as it was like you know culturally more like speaking to the times so you're able to give that perspective that people would normally catch like when you said oh
you know like the style the fashion it was very common to be kind of androgynous yeah it was very it was like what was in but at the same time they weave in all of these subtle hints of like non-binary energy yes and I think that that's what made this show like very interesting because they could have easily made her a guy you know and like really it and that I feel like that would have made that show very [ __ ] boring yeah no I totally see that I see that and like you said like earlier that s
he eventually brings big like masculine energy and he is the counter to that because he has a lot of like feminine energy like yeah like he's like the one that like leads with his emotions and leads with his um very reactive and very like kind of how like a like a feel fale character would be coded yeah uh very likable very flirtatious very like like he is like Charming yes like like you know like very like which is interesting to me because the guys do not describe him like that the men that th
at are like T oh you know he's this and that and they call him this and they call him spooky or I don't know if she's the one that said it but the way that they frame him is that he's a nightmare and I'm like if that's your nightmare if that is your nightmare I would love some of those nightmares please I want those nightmares look at that that is a he's he's a Labrador and he's a labrador is what he is she's laor energy totally yes and then she is like this very collected very methodical very l
ike hey let's let's think through this very like she's not even a dog she's owl she's like a very like she's coded more with this like what most people consider not most people but like historically people would code AS masculine um and you can almost see it like in the in the pilot like if you are watching this and you just watch the pilot you won't really see it because I feel like in this like in the pilot she's still very like infant Iz in her styling it definitely why like why is she wearin
g that skirt that's why it's important yeah I was just thinking about them like that I don't think I see her in a skirt past past this past the pilot the pilot is not the best to watch for any like series like long series because it's not going to it will the show will will evolve and change from that and I hopefully a good show would yes and I feel like in this one like you immediately you immediately see like do you see like okay those are [ __ ] like uh production notes yes someone got a note
someone got a not notes someone had notes and you see it immediately like on episode two episode two like The Styling on Scully is like very very masculine oh they got notes yeah and I think and and I think that Jillian Anderson might have had a lot to do that I was about to say I think those were actress not I think I think those were her notes um like the behavior of how how she moves within the space and how she like like she looks frightened here and I don't think I seen her frightened like
after she looks apprehensive she looks frightened she's always carrying around that purse I don't think I see a purse on her after this oh that's right like like the purse you got to have a purse honey honey doll you got to have a purse who was styling her on the pilot I don't know but whoever started styling her on the next one and I think they I think because she looks so young on the show like she was 25 they must have told them to age her up like or said like because they couldn't because t
his is a little bit condescending because I feel like they couldn't believe that somebody that looked that cute could have the the way that the character needed yeah oh you want you want her to be taken seriously she cannot be cute though she cannot be and it's so funny how they will ironically end up in the right spa space but under wrong like they went all the way around and back into a good yeah like I'm not going to do this yeah like no we can't have her dress like that people need to take h
er seriously so you want her non-binary coated great no no no no no I want her as an adult woman and you're like okay sure that's why I'm like like an woman Cod code her as an old woman code her as an office wear woman like you mean no no okay whatever anyways we digress yeah we digress so yeah and like let me like let me put the episode two because it's like in the first scene you're like honey you had notes yeah the clearly yeah and you can see it like right away so as soon as they I actually
it's after the credits when we see her first okay you got to a point where I already know exactly where the [ __ ] stop you know what's funny about this the truth is out there the truth is out there there this is so iconic that like the younger Generations think that song is a meme I know I mean it's been everything it's been a ringtone it's been alarm clocks it's been there she is like you see her and you immediately how they age her up my God the hairstyle the glasses very M this woman is givi
ng like I will I will definitely and you see like he gets like it like right next to her and she doesn't Flinch or anything like she feels so comfortable around him like from the get-go and that's the actor chemistry which we've already said can like people if you're spot if you're looking for romance you'll see it but it doesn't necessarily have to be that yeah I think that that's one of the things that these two characters have is like these very they elevate each other this very incredible ch
emistry that like you they're true friends you know true friends true collabor true collaborators they're they're completely equal like I I'd be curious to hear the conversations they might have behind the scenes to see how they play each other out cuz it's very interesting to me how they keep that balance throughout like the entire show of course there's like times where there's like where Moulder is acting like very bratty you know very like oh I want to do this because oh you don't know and b
lah blah blah like he's acting very brat in in in some episodes in one of those epodes he was drugged okay so oh my goodness don't blame him but like sometimes he acts very Brad and she's always very firm and like you're not going to [ __ ] disrespect me like that yeah you know like there's been several times where she's like I'm not here to do your [ __ ] homework type of energy you know yeah I love that um but she's more of like I'm here to do a job we're here to partner up T is very demanding
of like not demanding but commanding of very commanding she's very commanding and the fact that he doesn't like he's his masculinity is not threatened threaten by that and he can like get to that level with her immediately makes them both better well it's very neutralizing like the way that they are with each other is very neutralizing cuz he's like I know who the big boss is I want to step back yeah like you know I think that that's very refreshing to see in a show especially a show back in th
e 90s and it starts off that she's supposed to be investigating him but then she just stays his partner right she stays his partner because she's like she she's like no there is a case here we need to investigate because I haven't found the the like I haven't found an explanation for it say yeah so she stays because of because she knows there has to be a scientific explanation behind whatever craziness there is a little bit further down on the show she says something like something along the lin
es of the um something along the lines that like nature is not we all we can only understand nature as far as we can something along those lines I want I need to find it okay you want to find it let me find it I know I should have written it down but but something something along the lines of like we can only explain nature as far as we understand it there's things that we don't understand yet or things that we can't possibly understand that doesn't mean that they're not real you know like she s
he goes to S like she really puts that scientific mind behind all of this because she's like the Curiosity yeah and like you can see it in a lot of like the a lot of the that scientific curiosity that she brings is like very is what makes a really good Sci-Fi show you know yeah and also what makes her perfect for investigating paranormal because she doesn't She's Not Afraid of it because she's just so curious yeah to see where what is going to come of it yeah um I just wonder if like the writers
thought oh the only way that we could achieve this Equity is by hanging this idea of like she's could possibly defund you which is just like I think to a point I I think it got to a point where like she was like more I just think like I I love like no like like less actually investigate this like these these things that are happening that's why I love what they did because I feel like the writers intended it for to be that way and then like I like to believe that it kind of got away from that i
ntention of well the only way that he'll respect her cuz it's the the '90s is if there's this threat for his job and then it it became more of like no actually she's a really good partner yeah and like they didn't write her they they didn't write her as like the nagging exactly like like the nagging partner you know like they wrote her like you can tell that they trust each other yeah you can tell that he doesn't think oh she's going to go yeah and then like and then you like see their body lang
uage like you see it you see it evolve as like the the the seasons go by do you see it evolve into like this kind of like very interesting like trust like it's like genuine love for each other you know like it's it's I see you you see me like we really see each other for who we are and we love that yeah and it's very very interesting to see because I know like a lot of people want to put that like sexual tension between them because of that because they can't explain love any other way yeah I se
e what you mean it's a very binary binary way of looking at love yeah or yeah looking at affection or or regard between a man and a woman yeah um that that's the only way it can exist through romance yeah so people will like apply it to them and like now that than like rewatching it as an adult they just come across as really good adversaries like yes like I I I don't see it as sexual tension I see it more like this kind of like a sexual love you know like people can't I feel like people can't u
nderstand that type of affection you know that happens in like a lot a lot of our relationships and we sometimes kind of like forget about it yeah you know not forget about it but like don't get exposed to it as much the asexual love yeah yeah and I I see it totally here even as like they begin to kind of like grow as characters and grow together and you're totally right it is actually very like common for there to be relationships like that that are like asexual love yeah but you never see them
portrayed at all in media and if they are because I feel like this is a really great example of that but but then people will imply apply their own like oh these are two Attractive people they have to they have to they're attractive because they they have to cuz they're attractive like yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and it's like not necessarily though no not necessarily and not necessarily because you're the guy and I'm the girl like you know like like this putting way too many too many labels
into like a true partnership yeah and it's like an element a true loving partnership like there's you know nothing wrong with the romance as a genre but it doesn't have to be the only like or like it I don't think it's necessarily a required like element a storyline exactly and then like cuz even that I think can be very isolating because not everyone experiences love the same way so it's like it's not necessar it's not needed just because there's a man and a woman involved in the in the storyli
ne yeah so I think it's that's I think that's another reason why xfiles has had the stain power that it's had culturally because sure if you want to see romance in it sure it's there but also but like is it but is it like yeah is it and that's the thing that's why I feel like it's such a queer show because it is all-encompassing in that way because it doesn't paint like the experience of a man and a woman like partnering up in such a in such like broad Strokes it's very like yeah it's very weird
because like removing I who would have known removing sex from it just made it better it makes it more like like the fact that they can be sitting like that I feel like any other other characters that kind of had it like that it's probably like um the detectives at SVU I was thinking of them staer and and and uh and Benson Benson yeah yeah staer and Benson I feel like they have that kind of chemistry too yes they do they do and people can't understand like how come are they like how come they'r
e not not like how come they're not it's because they love each other but not like that like I get it yeah and it's just this mutual love that's it they they it's a love that people develop for each other for their like their like detectives and stuff like that as partners because you have to trust each other with your life yeah you know even even at any level of partnership you want to be you want to have a good time like think of your co-workers you want to have a good time with your co-worker
s where you're just like okay but you want to be valued by them too you want to be seen as an equal and you want to be treated that way and I think that this is actually like a really great man it should be used as like a like a this is how you should treat each other at work example like watch X Files go watch x go watch X Files and see the way that that Moulder and scolly treat each other with regard and respect they're not condescending to each other and if they are it's because they're being
little brats with each other and then they like they assert their boundaries and then they yes yes they do assert their boundaries they they have like their own I don't know they have their very own language in the way that they like but that's because they establish a genuine connection with each other that's why they're able to have their own language able to pick up on nuances of oh you're not bringing it as much today here in this area I can do it like it's a very healthy balance yeah and t
hat plays a big role in their staying power [Music] M and one of the reasons why we really like this type of storyline but like regarding the Supernatural I Think like we've talked about how good of a Sci-Fi example is just because of how heavy it leans into like science for stuff like she's a doctor she like investigates things with like like in all the episodes that she's like I'm a doctor like for some reason she has to like investigate something or like do an autopsy on someone like yeah but
like she she like her being a doctor comes in handy like in a lot because she comes and like thinks like these scientifically through through these Fantastical cases yeah and the way that like that they write the EP episodes like especially those like episodes that are outside the main story line I feel like that those other episodes that explore other Supernatural events or like weird spooky cases that they handle that even that way like like she brings it like she's like okay let's study this
let's see what this is about like um there's episodes where they talk about like like big food and like uh the Fiji mermaid there's one of those things I think there at some point there's like a chupaca episode somewhere uh like all these kind of like just like generally Supernatural events and they start kind of like analyzing them from like a scientific lens and in in some of the cases they're able to like not fully understand it but explain it you know like oh this happened because this pers
on seems to be having this kind of reaction and that's why he's able to do this you know like there's an episode where Jack Black is in that episode so by the way that's another thing that is really cool about what rewatching the xol is like all the people all the people that there's like Ryan Reynolds is in there like people that were just starting out that are now like yes like that they're huge and like that you're like you're like watching them like oh this guy this guy and that girl like th
ere's like a lot of characters that kind of like characters I mean yes like characters that come out from like some of these episodes that turned out to be like huge movie stars yeah um so is it as I was saying like when they investigate those shows they investigate also like very like scientifically and then at the same time it allows for that like the beginning of the like episode it it allows for that Fantastical thinking to come to play yeah so when you're like watching and you're like what
if there's actually a log monster type of thing in this Lake you know yeah they tell this like they play with magical realism and such a a way that you start to question you're like it's like the way that they play that M like and then like in comes like the actual investigation of of the event and then trying to like find the the meaning behind it and like finding the truth behind it following the uh makes it so very interesting because not all the time they they can like kind of like okay this
is a theory what why this might be happening but they don't really prove it yeah so you can still debunk the idea that like there's actual ghosts or things like that you know yeah they never really fully they kind of leave it like how did this happen it happened because something natural happened there has to be a scientific meaning behind this they treat it with that like same reverence that you would treat any other experiment yeah and I think that that's very like interesting like in this on
e uh said green is in this episode yeah he was like actually pretty big in the 90s for what I like he was in baffy and he was like in many other shows yeah yeah he seemed to do really good in those like Supernatural shows when he wasn't well I feel like during the during that time Supernatural things were big big yeah yeah like now there's actual aliens you know yeah yeah like like there's actual like it's actually happening like in this one for example they're talking in this episode specifical
ly they're talking about um this kind of like Area 51 type of type of place uh and they're testing all these military uh equipment that's what kind of like they kind of like discover you know so it becomes less about like is there aliens out there probably but that's not what you should be [ __ ] focusing on you should be focusing in the fact that your government is lying you about aliens being out there you know yeah so it becomes that uh and like now that the government has come out and like s
aid they're sens you're like what else like what else have you been lying us with especially as like this system stying to begin to kind of like dismantle that you start like to see like behind the curtains a little bit that you're just like aliens like molder already told me what that leads me to is like this theory that I've heard before which is that they're actually trying to help us and that that's why cuz like this is why I like xfiles because I feel like this is the when you think about l
ike the way that aliens are presented in media yeah it seems very propaganda is because it's very be afraid of them they're here to take you they're here to hurt you they're here to harm you I don't get that sense from the X Files even though there's like crazy stuff going on here and there he doesn't treat it like well down the road it starts to be it starts to it you start to kind of like understand that the whole purpose of the aliens being here and being like uh insidiously Among Us is becau
se they're seeking colonization interesting yeah and like so it still falls under that and that's the thing that I'm Starry now that they've come out and said yeah okay they exist I'm like what if they're trying to help us and you just don't want us to trust them I don't know and then like that makes me think also and this is I think what's very important for us sometimes to just really allow that magical thinking and allow that like believe in the Supernatural because maybe we can't we think th
at they're going to come and like colonize us because that's all we know yeah you know all we know isation all we know is people coming to your land and like [ __ ] stealing it and pretending that it was there all the time whereas for me I'm like yeah no what if like what if there's like beings out there that don't know that concept yeah what if we or better yet they've faced it overcome it and are like yeah or maybe it's not even like in their like understanding like they couldn't possibly like
think that way like imagine how life would be you know yeah and and that gives you hope man if anything else if you I feel like if you allow to allow yourself this magical Supernatural thinking can lead you to those spaces of what if like reality doesn't need to be like this and I think that that's something that very empowering and liberating yeah and I think that like especially among our communities it's very important for us to embrace Supernatural storytelling and embrace Supernatural idea
s yeah and Supernatural thinking because it will lead us to place that we might have never thought about like maybe a a ro who that cannot be called like a non colonizing present you know like they that that like what does that look like it can like push us toward a better way of being because we Challenge and push back on what what we accept as like reality yes yeah yeah like I'm not going to accept this reality like is there something it's is the truth out there is the truth out there can I ge
t some of that truth please so I think that's perhaps like one of the reasons why we want to like talk about like the the supernatural in like this issue is because we want to like explore those spaces of like what the supernatural look from a lens that is not what we've seen before you know yeah like what we've what we're used to how it's presented how it's always been what does what do those narratives look like when we allow ourselves to think outside the colonial lens yes like basically what
does Supernatural look like outside of the colonial lens yeah because the colonial lens that's that's the thing that's always interesting said me because always I've always been like interesting how Independence Day and all these movies are like they're coming to take our land and I'm just like honey you've the you've already done you've already done that why are you worried about the aliens you they don't even know they don't even know you you don't even go to the same school as them they don'
t know you like I've always wondered that cuz I'm like I don't know like yeah I'm more like I more like to think no let's push back on that and challenge that this is a very very big universe yeah like I I I refuse to believe that colonialism is a disease that is like expanded to the entire entire entire yeah like maybe there are world where that doesn't happen where that doesn't exist yeah and that's we need that kind of like thinking we need that kind of like and like what would that look like
like if you don't even like uncork that how are we going to get there you know like if you don't uncork that idea a of like there's world where colonialism doesn't exist yeah and if we don't look at it it like yeah if we don't like examine it is it really there yeah that's like I'm getting really nerdy but that's like a it's sh dinger's cat it's like a thing it's like a scientific thing no I'm serious like it's a it's a thing where it's like if you look if you don't look at it there it's an exp
eriment that he did where he's like my cat is in the box but but is it in the box is it in the box if I don't open the box if I don't open the box and the cat's in there is it in there and that's what I'm talk that that's how I like to think of like this whole alien thing it's like you say that this is what I'm going to get with aliens with Supernatural you say bad you say they're going to take over you say this but is that really what's there can I look at it can I imagine um let's imagine cool
[ __ ] yeah like what if actually yeah this reality could be true exactly and what if everyone starts to believe in that reality I want to believe I want to believe anyways I think that that's kind of like what we wanted to talk about why we like this show so much is because it's a smart show it it's an endearing show it's a fun show it's a very campy show I think that that's one of the things that like also like I love about this show is that super super campy like some of theep of course some
of the episodes are more like in line with like the main storyline they're more serious about like but they have all these like oneof episodes that are super campy uh characters that are all over the place that are very interesting and very very like quirky I think that they have that too um of the balance that like these like characters play with each other how like amazingly they they they show us a way to see the like gender Dynamics in a very like interesting way I think it's a very subtle
way yeah because it's like a blink and you'll miss it kind of thing yeah it's not on your face it's not trying to force you you yeah those who know no yeah which is it was like growing up watching this was like definitely very refreshing uh to see like a female character portray in a more balanced yes grounded yeah yeah and like at the same time see like a male character be more like this for vent energy you know like like it's it it makes him it it makes him very Balan she didn't play int like
they didn't have the character play to any cliches yeah she was just like there to be treated as a character not as a character who's a woman and the being the woman is like yeah cuz like I find that a lot of the female characters or women characters are like one of the leading qualities is she's a woman so she's going to act like a woman so she has to she has to be either a Wi-Fi or or a mommy and she doesn't play any of it she's a [ __ ] partner and I'm going to be your partner and you're like
we're going to be [ __ ] equals and I think that that's very refreshing and also like from the side of the from the side of like the more of the male character is allowed to have that irrationality and like that like a space to we like you know like not have to be the mly force you know like yeah um and that brings a lot of B do like they're not stereotypical like characters for their like the time that they're in and the fact that it's a like she's not a stereotypical female investigator like
a female character and he's not a stereotypical male character like gender is kind of blurred yeah it is it's very blurred it is it really is and I like that I really do I feel like it removing that aspect allows them to feed off of each other in a more like and allows the viewer to just focus on the [ __ ] story and not just like which I find like ironically a lot of science is like that too it's like wanting to investigate and continue and like kind of wanting to do away with the distracting t
hings like elements yeah and just like tell a good story I think that that's the I think that it makes it it makes it very I don't know I grew up watching this show it makes made me very interested in like science and it made me very interesting in in like just magical thinking I think that like for me was for me was more of like going into that like very like Anarchist way of thinking of like the government is lying to us the government is lying to you like and like for example my sister watchi
ng it she's like I have to be in the [ __ ] FBI I have to be there so I can see I have to like I have to be someone like like that that was like my sister's dream and actually there was like culturally a shift that happened when the show started airing it's actually called the Scully effect because a lot of women a lot of a lot of young uh I've heard of that yeah a lot of a lot of young people started going for careers in the like medical field because Dana scy was a badass doctor yeah I've actu
ally heard that and it's used to this day as an example of why like representation is so important because watching her and here we go again like with the their intention may have been problematic but they got to the right place yes uh with the wrong directions but they got there anyway and it was to inspire women to be like that yeah I don't think that like they were expecting like no they weren't they weren't that's why I said for there to be that shift they got to the right place with the wro
ng directions they they they better they they should be thankful I guess that they had the driver as yeah I really do think and I think that I think there has it has to be commendable that probably Jillian Anderson had also a lot to Jillian Anderson Jillian Anderson was a big like driving force behind that yeah it had to be it had to be because like now like that we' seen her where she got with her career you can tell that she wasn't going to be somebody not giving notes oh yeah absolutely so sh
e was definitely like this is like a character not a caricature okay so and like cudas for that like whatever whoever was writing this character for actually like listening letting it letting it go there like letting that character go there and I mean the Scully effect that's all like that's what I'm saying this is such an iconic show because it made in it in in in its nonbinary qualities it actually reached a lot more people and inspired them in like real like tangible ways yeah which is why I
think it's so important to like yeah it becomes like that disruptive factor that like now we're seeing in like other areas like you see it like now I think there was like these um a study that like guys are not picking up guitars as much anymore but the people that are picking up like electric guitars more are women so like now what is that n what is that arst going to look like you know what is that music going to look like so I think it's very important to like kind like like command those kin
d of characters that like allowed for the shifts to happen yeah that inspired the shift to happen that let people know this is possible this is a thing like it's and it's okay to like explore it so that's why yeah I'm so like excited to see Supernatural like be explored yeah cuz at the end of the day this is like a white white show you know like pain painfully white not just white but white yeah like it's they filmed in Canada not to say that can all Canada is I mean the indigenous land but like
there's like like I I think she's like from Connecticut or something like that and then mher is from Boston so like it's set in like it's set in Virginia of course like but it's like it's like a lot of the characters are like like the main characters for sure are like white and like very few instances uh you see diversity beyond that yeah like it there story lines where like you see like oh this character was a black character oh this character was like uh Native American but the leading charac
ters are they do bring up like and I would like more of like a Native American person to to to give their take on this one because the Native American uh the Navajo people play a big role in the bigger storyline of the show show uh so I would like to see how they portray it because it's very interesting there's a whole like episode in where their help their their Moulder was almost died and they like picked him up and they like look they they do rituals around him and whatnot like like I would l
ike to like somebody who knows like give their take on that part but they do play a big role on the on the bigger story line yeah um so you like a take of like it's how it was handled or yeah like like if it's if if it's really like representing them in an in an true authentic respectful way or if they're just like making them novelty you know yes or or or making them just kind of like a way to elevate the white men you know uh like a a story what is it a story device or whatever yeah so I'm not
g I cannot talk speak about that I just know that he's there you know like it's part of the it's part of the bigger story line it's a critical point of the story line actually um if people I don't know if I will if I will spoil it for anyone I was I mean we could just say at the beginning there will be spoilers but I mean we're talking about like if you're not if you haven't watched it and you're watching it for the first time kind of like fast forward through this but like and and if you're re
ally interested in watching it but there's uh all the documents or like all the documents that that that have information on Aliens like govern like government doc doents are coded and they're coded by code writers from the World War II which that's the way they were actually able to win World War II is through using uh the Navajo language wow to create that code and there's only a few people in the world that speak that that can actually break that code and because the language is not familiar
to anyone in Europe or anyone in Asia it was impossible to break so and like there's very and they and it speaks in in some of the in in some of the episodes it speaks about like how the oral history of the Navajo people is what's actually going to like save us because they're the only keepers of the truth all this like mess that's interesting yeah like all of these mess that the government is trying to create the people who have like all that information it's like this group of 20 people that a
ccording to the Navaho tradition like if I know something I need to share with 20 people so that doesn't die with me something like that that's interesting that yeah their story is basically that like you're going to find the the answers to your problems by talking to the indigenous people yeah it's very like I think it's very interesting but like like I said I want somebody else to like give that take yeah just like stating what happens yeah so um I think it's very important part of the storyli
ne and it speaks volumes about like us going back to that kind of like knowledge to understand things deeper yeah so I don't know I that's your homework so I guess that's it for episode yes because it's pretty late it's a school it's a school day anyways we W to thank everyone for joining if you're watching this sorry for like the whole back and forth we're like figuring this out we just wanted to capture this the more realistic way possible yeah um because we want to kind of have these conversa
tions with you people so if there's anything that you guys want to like if you watch the show if you think about watching the show uh if you like it as much as we do if you hate it like just gotta like let us know put it in the comments and yeah and and let's discuss these ideas of exploring the world through like this like magical lens like why why the [ __ ] not yeah I I think it's really cool and hope it leaves me with hope it really does so it does it kind of like does even though it's like
it gets like a very it gets very weird like that that in itself gets very weird but but yeah I feel like there's different ways to like explore it without that's the thing that I'm like that I feel like is so connected with humanity is the fear like Humanity fears the unknown yeah so I'm just interested in going Beyond looking at yeah things through the lens of fear yeah but fear is natural it's just that it feels like it tint it kind of T taints like the exploration if you just focus too much o
n like yeah that if that makes sense yeah that's why like yeah be a little bit more like Scully and think that there has to be an explanation for it and be curious about it but also keep that magical thinking of like like what if yeah like what really is out there like the truth is out there the truth and I want to believe I want to believe well thank you so much and I hope that we didn't screw this over yes we do have a recording anyways um thank you so much for watching and I we hope to bring
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