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240313__TA01HouseOverwhelmingly
This is not an attempt to ban TikTok.
It's an attempt to make TikTok better. Tic tac toe a winner, a winner. Got it all right. Former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi
isn't the only member of Congress who thinks a possible TikTok ban
in the United States would actually make the social media platform better. Now, the House overwhelmingly passed
legislation today that could eventually lead to app stores banning TikTok,
with 352 lawmakers voting in favor and only 65 voting against the bill. And while eve
ryone loses their minds
over this for various reasons, understand that the legislation
will likely fail in the Senate. More on that later. But first, we should get into the details
on what the House just passed and later get into the moneyed interest
behind this agenda. Here's what lawmakers have been
allegedly concerned about even before - President Joe Biden came into office.
- Here's the crux of the debate. TikTok's US headquarters is in California,
but it is controlled by a larger company, B
yteDance, headquartered in Beijing. ByteDance
also owns a separate but parallel Chinese version of TikTok called Douyin. The Communist Party has a small stake
in that, and a big voice, with a Communist Party official sitting on the board. A ByteDance whistleblower has charged
that the Communist Party uses Douyin for spying on protesters and others. The concern is that there's a path
for the Communist Party to access US data, TikTok claims know
that it has walled off US data. So in response to th
ose concerns,
the House finally succeeded in passing a bill that would force ByteDance
to sell TikTok to a non-Chinese company if they fail to do so. That's when a ban
would theoretically kick in. Now, according to the Washington Post,
the House measure explicitly targets TikTok and its parent company
while giving the federal government a new mechanism to ban apps with ties
to nations viewed as foreign adversaries. If ByteDance declined
to spin off TikTok within six months, the bill would requir
e App Store providers
to stop carrying the platform, which could effectively shutter its U.S. Operations. By the way, does anyone else find it
kind of hilarious that we're hyper focused on banning this social media site or app
when a lot of our businesses are still exploiting labor in China,
like we're treating China as an adversary while still exploiting their labor. Just something to keep in mind. But anyway, there was a ton of trial and
error on the path to where we are today. But a bipartisa
n group of politicians
were apparently reinvigorated by President Biden. Never thought I'd say that, declaring
that he would sign a TikTok ban into law if a bill ever made its way to his desk. So Representatives Mike Gallagher,
a Republican from Wisconsin, and Raja Krishnamoorthi, who's a Democrat
from Illinois, they're the leaders of the Select Committee on China. They previously introduced another
bill targeting TikTok, which was stymied amid constitutional concerns. The Commerce panel greenli
t the bill,
led by them 50 to 0, just last week, advancing it just two days
after its introduction, an unheard of pace for legislation targeting tech companies. Yeah, it's I mean, an unheard of pace for
legislation targeting any company, really, especially in the modern American era
where legalized bribery is just baked into our system. And by the way, prior to today's vote,
TikTok engaged in a serious pressure campaign that clearly failed
to persuade lawmakers to back off. TikTok mounted an agg
ressive push
to thwart the House's consideration of the measure over the past week,
directly urging U.S. Users to contact their representatives
and oppose it in a pop up message. The tactic inundated congressional offices
with calls at times forcing offices to shut off their phones. But it also riled up House leaders,
who accused the company of wielding its vast power in a bid to upend
the congressional debate over its future. In addition, a spokesperson for China
argued that the ban is really a
bout American companies
rigging the market to their advantage because the chumps just can't compete. Even though the U.S. Has not found evidence on how TikTok
endangers its national security, it has never stopped going after TikTok. Such practice of resorting to acts
of bullying when one could not succeed in fair competition, disrupts
the normal operation of the market. It undermines the confidence
of international investors and sabotages the global economic and trade order. This will eventually
backfire
on the US itself. A lot of mainstream media
don't give you honest news. We do. You know why? Because of you. Paid membership on YouTube
makes all the difference. Hit the join button below
and you become the hero that sustains us. Look, the reality is
that both things could be true. ByteDance is in fact based in Beijing,
and it is not far fetched for the Chinese government to demand access
to the data of American TikTok users. I also have a problem with US
based companies collecting our
data and selling it to third parties, which
includes advertisers and data brokers. This is part of the reason
why everyone's personal information, including phone numbers and addresses,
is, you know, relatively easy to find. It's also true that moneyed interests
and TikTok's competitors, like meta were lobbying hard for the ban. So back in March of 2022, The Washington
Post published an exclusive piece titled Facebook Paid GOP firm to Malign TikTok. The firm targeted victory
pushed local operat
ives across the country to boost messages, calling TikTok a threat
to American children. So fascinating piece.
You should totally read it. And in the piece,
why don't we read a few excerpts for you? In the piece, readers learn that meta
paid targeted victory to launch an anti TikTok campaign that included and get
a load of this, placing op eds and letters to the editor in major regional news
outlets promoting dubious stories about alleged TikTok trends
that actually originated on Facebook, and p
ushing to draw political reporters
and local politicians into helping take down its biggest competitor, dirty,
dirty employees with targeted victory work to undermine TikTok through a. Wide media and lobbying campaign,
portraying the fast growing app as a danger to American children and society. According to internal emails shared with
The Washington Post, one of the directors of this firm that Facebook had hired
or meta had hired wrote in an email in February of 2022, saying that targeted
victo
ry needs to get the message out that while meta is the current punching bag,
TikTok is the real threat, especially as a foreign owned app is number one in
sharing data that young teens are using. When asked about their decision
to pay a right wing firm to attack its competitor, a spokesperson for meta didn't
even deny it, saying, quote, we believe all platforms, including TikTok,
should face a level of scrutiny consistent with their growing success,
with a meta backed firm planting stories about
the national security threat TikTok
poses to the US. It's way harder to to determine whether a TikTok ban has
any real merit, but there's money working on the other side of this debate, too. We learned earlier that former President
Donald Trump, who once tried to ban TikTok through executive order
before getting blocked by the courts, is now suddenly against the ban. Looks like the former president
took a dip in the swamp. A lobbyist Trump is extremely
familiar with is Kellyanne Conway. Turns o
ut that the former former
senior Trump aide is being paid by the Conservative Club for growth
to advocate for TikTok in Congress. In fact, she met with lawmakers
on Capitol Hill to chat about the app at least ten times in recent months. But that's likely not the only reason
Trump had a change of heart on this TikTok ban. Politico reports that billionaire investor
and club for growth donor Jeff Yass holds a 15% stake
in TikTok's parent company, ByteDance. Club for growth leaders have been
vocal o
pponents of moves to ban TikTok. Club for growth president David McIntosh
has been in meetings on The Hill with Conway about the issue, according to one
of the people familiar with the meetings. Former President Donald Trump praised Yass
as fantastic when they were both at a club for growth retreat
as the presumptive Republican nominee. Quartz Yass
to help his presidential campaign with that cold, hard cash, of course. Shortly after the meeting, Trump wrote
on Truth Social Thursday quote, if you
get rid of TikTok, Facebook and Zucker,
schmuck will double their business. It's all about the money
and even Steve Bannon is saying so. The connection between Yass and TikTok
did not go unnoticed by former Trump campaign manager and white House adviser
Steve Bannon, who suggested in a social media post of his own
that Yass deep pockets was behind Trump's newfound appreciation for TikTok. Bannon shared an Axios article
titled Inside Trump's TikTok flip flop and added simple Yass coin. Look, I t
ell you all of this so you don't
forget what politicians really fight for themselves and their legalized bribes. Look, this isn't about protecting
American consumers or children or national security. That's a laughable assertion
when you consider that the president himself is currently on TikTok. The real battle playing out in Congress
is about power, money, and which business interests get to accumulate more of it. Though if the ban succeeds, it could
politically harm one person in particular.
I don't think it'll be helpful
with young voters. But you know my argument here,
yes, it has to do with young people. But taking a step back,
I just think it's bad policy. Successful politics is addition
and multiplication, and cutting out a large group of young voters is not
the best known strategy for reelection. Now, President Joe Biden has said
that he plans to sign this bill. Okay. I mean, look, to be fair to Joe Biden,
I guess young voters had already soured on him for a whole host of othe
r reasons,
including his handling of the war in Gaza. But it's true that signing a TikTok
ban into law wouldn't help him with his reelection efforts. But there are massive hurdles
before a final bill even makes its way to Biden's desk. Now, the fate of the bill
rests with the Senate, where the effort to ban TikTok will likely fail. Remember, there's that pesky
legislative filibuster in the Senate where, rather than a simple majority,
60 lawmakers would have to vote in favor of a bill in order fo
r it to even pass. But there are other challenges
before the Senate even votes on the issue. For one, the Senate doesn't even have
its own version of the bill, and efforts to draft one earlier had failed. It had fallen short. Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer says
that he'll review the House bill and maybe consider holding a Senate vote on that. But there are other issues, too,
like, you know, the Constitution and our rights to freedom of expression. Congressman Ro Khanna
elaborated on these
concerns this morning. You actually voted against this bill? Why? On free speech grounds? On the First Amendment, there are two
key principles why the courts would strike this down if the Senate took it up. It's not the least restrictive measure
of protecting people's data and privacy. You could pass an internet bill of rights. You could do things
like a financial penalty. A ban is extreme, and you have to have
the least restrictive means. Secondly, you need,
under the Supreme Court, an alternat
ive means of communication. And it is very hard to reach TikTok's
almost billion users, particularly international users for Americans. And I don't think the court would think
that their alternative means of communication here. I do have concerns, which is why I
would have been fine with a forced sale. But the ban, if the sale doesn't happen,
goes too far. My concerns are protecting
Americans data and privacy, and making sure that doesn't get into
the hands of the Chinese Communist Party. But we
can do that by passing
an internet bill of rights. I mean, when TikTok was initially
established, it had to go through the same controls of foreign direct investment. And if there were actually evidence
that there was huge propaganda coming out of these, the platform,
then that would be one thing. And then you may be able to restrict it
given the First Amendment concerns. Let me just elaborate a little more
on what Congressman Khanna said in that interview. I love that he also wants to focus on
some
of the behavior of US based social media platforms and what they do with our data,
how they collect our data and how opaque their algorithms tend to be. So I think that's the right focus. And look, I'm not a constitutional expert
or legal expert. I can only go based off of what the
chatter is among other legal experts. And they say that the government is
not only infringing on the free expression of American consumers with this
potential TikTok ban, but that lawmakers are also violating th
e constitution
by specifically targeting a business that's operating in the United States. Democratic Senator Mark Warner echoed
Khanna's statements, saying that he has concerns about the constitutionality of an
approach that named specific companies. So, look, I don't know if there's merit
behind that constitutionality argument, and I guess
we'll wait and see what happens. But considering the structural challenges
within the Senate, the competing moneyed interests at play,
and how lawmakers oft
en prove how little they care about their own constituents,
I can promise one thing that the outcome ain't about making things better for you. So just keep that in mind
and we'll see how it plays out.
Comments
TYT dropped the ball with explaining why congress is banning tiktok. This was absolutely a terrible framing from tyt
It’s funny how people complain about a possible ban on TikTok because, they like TikTok and don’t care about it’s security; however, when something happens to them through the app, they will blame the government for not protecting them.
Good riddance evil app. Brings out the worse in ppl. Hopefully all social media gets banned
We love TikTok! Not our fault the IDF posts its war crimes!
Funny how it’s all the older generation that vote for the future of the young.
This law they passed can be used to censor pretty much everything.
Nancy Pelosi is intolerable when she speaks its so cringeworthy and obnoxious.
So people can’t afford rent or healthcare and we can’t do anything about that but banning TikTok is apparently a bipartisan unifier? The US is an odd place
I think social media in general is destroying our society. Facebook started this horrible trend
What they are doing violates the first and fifth amendment
What has this country become? Shameful ruling class 😅
80 year olds deciding what the rest of America can do with technology. My God.
What would happen if Congressional lobbies are legally banned????
This is where we lose the young voters.
What I find hilarious is how fast Trump's fluffers flip flopped on TikTok as soon as the dear leader changed his mind.
Save Tik Tok. Ban Congress.
We still talking about "communist" like it's 1960?
I couldn't care less about tiktok. Never installed it and not missing it. Even ignoring reels on fakebook. Many people would actually be better off if tiktok didn't exist. Kids would have a longer attention span and better results at school, body dysmorphia would have less victims, people wouln't make such fools of themselves for the whole world to see... nope, not missing it. I prefer to choose what I want to see, not the algorithm.
One of the concerns I have is that China doesn’t allow US social media in China, so why do they want TikTok allowed in the US? Also, I read somewhere that the type of information they pushed to the West on TikTok is not allowed in China.
This is pure fascism. It violates the first Amenment.