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Where Do Rings Come From? (The Roche Limit)

Go to https://brilliant.org/ScienceAsylum/ to get a 30-day free trial + the first 200 people will get 20% off their annual subscription. We all know Saturn has planetary rings, but other planets have them too. Where they come from? How are gravity and tidal forces involved? What is the Roche limit? Let's find out. Nick Lucid - Host, Writer, Editor, Animator Nora Bailey - Researcher, Fact Checker ________________________________ VIDEO ANNOTATIONS/CARDS Tidal Locking Explained: https://youtu.be/fivCstgXlDo ________________________________ SUPPORT THE SCIENCE ASYLUM Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/ScienceAsylum YouTube Membership: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXgNowiGxwwnLeQ7DXTwXPg/join Advanced Theoretical Physics (Paperback): http://www.lulu.com/shop/nick-lucid/advanced-theoretical-physics-a-historical-perspective/paperback/product-24250687.html Advanced Theoretical Physics (eBook): https://gumroad.com/l/ubSc Merchandise: http://shop.spreadshirt.com/scienceasylum/ ________________________________ HUGE THANK YOU TO THESE SUPPORTERS Asylum Counselors: Bosphorus Asylum Orderlies: Dhruv Singhal, Medec Hurtz Einsteinium Crazies: Benjamin Sharef, Eoin O'Sullivan, Ilya Yashin, Jonathan Lima, Joseph Salomone, Kevin Flanagan, Sean K, YouTubeviewer2014 Plutonium Crazies: Al Davis, Compuart, Ellis Hall, Fabio Manzini, Kevin MacLean, LT Marshall, Rick Myers, Vid Icarus Platinum Crazies: Christopher Bennett, Christopher Little, Clayton Bruckert, David Johnston, Jonathan Reel, Joshua Gallagher, Marino Hernandez, Mikayla Eckel Cifrese, Mr. Orn Jonasar, Olga ooperman, Thomas V Lohmeier ________________________________ SOURCES History: https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/oi/authority.20110803100425308 https://www.britannica.com/science/Roche-limit https://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/saturn/back.html https://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/imagegallery/image_feature_995.html Articles and Info: https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/phobos-is-falling-apart https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/news/813/nasas-cassini-data-show-saturns-rings-relatively-new/ https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/news/794/nasa-research-reveals-saturn-is-losing-its-rings-at-worst-case-scenario-rate/ https://www.esa.int/Science_Exploration/Space_Science/Cheops/ESA_s_Cheops_finds_an_unexpected_ring_around_dwarf_planet_Quaoar https://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/saturn/faq.html https://www.nasa.gov/audience/forstudents/k-4/stories/nasa-knows/ring-a-round-the-saturn.html https://www.planetary.org/articles/20130626-earths-skies-saturns-rings https://www.planetary.org/articles/how-do-planets-get-rings https://skyandtelescope.org/astronomy-news/why-are-jupiters-rings-so-thin/ Books: "An Introduction to Modern Astrophysics," Carroll and Ostlie (2007) Scientific Papers: https://doi.org/10.1111/j.1365-2966.2012.21328.x https://doi.org/10.1017/9781316286791.018 https://doi.org/10.1126/science.abn1234 https://doi.org/10.1038/35089010 https://doi.org/10.1016/j.icarus.2010.01.025 https://doi.org/10.1016/0019-1035(90)90020-A https://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/pdf/1916JRASC..10..473C https://doi.org/10.1126/science.284.5417.1146 ________________________________ LINKS TO COMMENTS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zS2vI_2faII&lc=Ugx2pMT2eucn5xmt0qZ4AaABAg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zS2vI_2faII&lc=Ugwn7YzUH_MOGJVRqZx4AaABAg ________________________________ IMAGE/VIDEO CREDITS Saturn Edge-On: https://images.nasa.gov/details/PIA01272 Image of Phobos: https://mars.nasa.gov/resources/6989/mars-moon-phobos/ Moon Formation Sim: https://www.nasa.gov/feature/ames/lunar-origins-simulations Comet Lovejoy: https://soho.nascom.nasa.gov/hotshots/2011_12_12/ Cassini Simulations: https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/resources/17747/cassini-the-wonder-of-saturn-video/ Big Bang Simulation: https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/12656 Solar System Formation: https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/10659 People: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:%C3%89douard_Roche.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Christiaan_Huygens-painting.jpeg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Justus_Sustermans_-_Portrait_of_Galileo_Galilei,_1636.jpg ________________________________ TIME CODES 00:00 Cold Open 00:48 History 02:30 Earth's Moon 03:00 Mars and Phobos 03:27 Tidal Forces Explained 04:13 Why does it break apart? 05:26 Roche Limit 06:22 Assumptions 07:05 Summary 08:04 What if Earth had rings? 08:35 Sponsor Message 09:42 Featured Comment

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thanks to brilliant for helping support this episode hey crazies everybody loves Saturn am I right just look at this thing it's Majestic but it's not actually the only planet with rings Jupiter Uranus and Neptune have them too they're just harder to see where do these planetary rings come from how long will they last and why doesn't Earth have rings because frankly that would be Wicked awesome [Music] as with most stories it seems natural to start this at the beginning no no we talked about this
it's way too far back I mean the beginning of planetary Rings OMG I suppose this is what I get for not being specific enough let's go back to when planetary Rings were first discovered to the timeline the first observations of rings came in 1610 when Galileo pointed his telescope at Saturn as you can see from his sketch he didn't know they were Rings Galileo thought they were giant moons but like a good scientist he kept observing by 1612 his giant moons had completely disappeared from view thi
s wasn't too suspicious though those moons could have easily moved behind Saturn in reality he was looking at the Ring's Edge on but he didn't know that thankfully he got a better look a few years later in 1616 he drew another sketch that makes Saturn look like it has handles or ears we wouldn't actually figure out they were Rings until Christian Hawkins looked at Saturn in 1655. the faint rings of the other three gas giants are much more recent discoveries 1977-79 and 84 respectively Jupiter's
rings are so faint we didn't discover them until the Voyager space probe flew by does that mean only gas giants have rings oh no we've actually found dwarf planets with rings really yep there's no reason a rocky planet like Earth couldn't have rings huh in fact in the next 30 to 50 million years we expect Mars's Moon Phobos to become ranks so rings come from moons yes and comets and asteroids sometimes there's a whole list of ways rings can form ring stability depends more on where they form bac
k to the timeline we've been trying to figure out planetary Rings since we first discovered them but progress wouldn't be made until 1848 when eduar Roche published what we now call the Roche limit it's a critical distance from a planet inside which other objects break apart and form Rings Earth's Moon became a Moon instead of rings because it Formed outside that limit billions of years ago a mars-sized object collided with Earth launching Earth material out into space this material was still gr
avitationally bound to Earth but more so to itself which allowed it to coalesce into the moon if that material hadn't been launched as far it would have formed Rings instead and we can predict where that limit is sure approximately let's consider a real life example I mentioned earlier Mars's Moon Phobos was going to turn into rings soonish if this is Phobos then Mars should be right about here Phobos is Tiny by comparison so I'm going to exaggerate sizes for clarity which is something I've neve
r ever done before anyway with the size of Phobos exaggerated we can see the source of its inevitable demise according to Newton's Laws gravity depends on distance we see here that some of phobos's mass is closer to Mars and some of it is farther away that means gravity is not uniformly distributed across Phobos it's stronger in some places and weaker in others the total amount of force doesn't actually matter though only the tidal forces matter that's how different each arrow is from the arrow
at the center we're using the center gravity as a reference for all the others so while all the gravities point toward Mars not all the tidal forces do it makes sense now why Phobos is going to break apart so then why don't all moons break apart because tidal forces aren't the only forces involved it can be a bit overwhelming to look at all these forces at the same time so consider a single tiny Rock sitting on the surface of Phobos let's say on the side facing Mars This Rock has a tidal force o
n it pulling up toward Mars but that's not the only force acting on the Rock if this was the only Force The Rock would lift off the surface and drift toward Mars we know that's not happening so there must be some other force overpowering it like maybe the Gravity from Phobos itself that moon has mass so it has self-gravity that's the gravity between its parts it's what Phobos and any other large object uses to hold itself together for our single rock that looks like this it has a tidal Force up
a gravity down and a push up from the ground to keep things balanced at the moment that downward gravity is bigger than the tidal Force so the rock stays put but that won't always be the case the orbit of Phobos is gradually decaying as it gets closer to Mars the tidal force will increase while its self-gravity stays the same eventually it's gonna it close enough that the tidal Force overpowers gravity that rock is going to lift off the surface and since that rock is just a placeholder for all t
he rocks that make up Phobos the entire moon will come apart the distance at which that occurs is called the Roche limit and it looks something like this it only depends on the mass of the planet the mass of the Moon and the size of the moon technically though this version is called the rigid Roche limit because it assumes the Moon is perfectly rigid unfortunately assuming the Moon is perfectly rigid is a bit of a stretch pun intended so Roche himself went a little further he assumed a moon dest
ined to become Rings would stretch out a bit before actually breaking this only changes the coefficient out front giving us the fluid Roche limit if deformation is allowed the roast limit is actually larger wait wait the moon breaks up sooner if it isn't rigid yeah it blew my mind too when I first learned it as it turns out the deformation increases the tidal forces thereby causing more deformation which increases the tidal forces even more it's a positive feedback loop of course both the rigid
and fluid models make one giant assumption that a moon is just a clump of tiny rocks held together by gravity which might seem kind of silly when you first think about it but it's actually a decent approximation most of the time particularly with some of the more massive moons and asteroids you really only need to account for molecular forces in a couple situations artificial satellites in the ISS are well within their own Roche limits yet they survive because they're too small for Gravity to be
what holds them together also some materials like ice are kind of sticky that's why Comet Lovejoy was able to survive back in 2011 even though the comet was inside its own Roche limit with the Sun but most of the time this equation works pretty well a realistic object will break apart somewhere between these two limits for Earth's Moon that's between about one and a half and three Earth radii Which is less than five percent the total distance to the Moon that means the Moon is quite safe and if
it hadn't been launched that far it would have formed Rings instead of a moon but those Rings would have been long gone by now why well planetary rings are temporary the orbits are unstable so those tiny bits of rock and Ice gradually fall into the planet data from the Cassini Mission show Saturn's rings are only about 10 to 100 million years old and our current estimates predict they'll only be around for another 100 million years or so plus Saturn has a couple larger moons inside the ring sys
tem keeping the Rings in line so they're especially long lasting Earth's Rings would have collapsed into Earth long before life even evolved here no human would have ever seen views like this for Earth to have rings now we would need a more recent cataclysmic event but you really want a Majora's Mask situation on your hands I certainly don't creepy AF anyway planetary rings are the result of a larger object getting too close to a planet outside the Roche limit we get moons inside the Roche limit
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Comments

@markmuir7338

This explanation of tidal forces and the Roche limit really rings with me.

@playgroundchooser

Woa.... I'm only 41 years old and we didn't know that Neptune had rings when I was born!! 😲 It's easy to forget that science is STILL happening!

@A3Kr0n

We have rings of techno rocks orbiting the Earth.

@minhdang1775

That beginning Big Bang joke never gets old! 😂

@msachin4885

I'd be cool if you made a video on Saturn's moons. The closer you stare, the more physics you find behind the cosmic beauty

@diegofernandez4789

We were missing you Nick. Please keep uploading great videos as this one.

@KnowBuddiesLP

I come for the science! I stay for the humor! Actually chuckled when voyager flew by and the "wheeeeeee!". Keep it up and look forward to another 10 years!

@feynstein1004

The molecular forces part blew my mind. I was about to ask just that. Thank you for giving us the complete picture, Nick 😊

@shifterzx

This is an epic video that is sadly underrated. I watched again and just got my 10 year old to watch. He's also a fan of yours. You're the best teacher

@odysseus9672

Fantastic video. I had only ever heard of the rigid Roche limit before, so it was really interesting to hear about the elastic limit.

@rythenx

I missed this video when it got uploaded but just heard you mention it in your recent video about Youtube changes so I went back to watch it and I agree, this video is great. I hope you will be able to stay motivated (both financially and personally) to keep making videos like this one, especially cause you said you enjoyed making this one in particular.

@n4whhdb

I'm watching this for the second time. Love the use of the timeline. Great content!

@rayoflight62

Very good explanation of planetary rings, satellites, and the working of the Roche limit. The details of Saturn Ring gatekeepers is an important detail added to the lecture. Thanks, Anthony

@paradox7358

Can you imagine the night sky with rings? Not like I could see it anyway with all the light pollution. I'm lucky if I see a star!

@harthur2010

Great video. I didn’t know before that Saturn’s rings will disappear one day. Love the videos with the time line. Also quite liked the voyager sound effect 😊

@KevinCombs1980

Always a highlight of the day when there's a new science asylum video! Thank you for what you do sir!

@_folinks

Loved the majora's mask reference there, keep up the good work

@peterp-a-n4743

super interesting! great explanations!

@anoimo9013

Amazing video. 6:20 deformation also affects selfgravty forces seen form the surface

@LuneLovehearn

Hey Nick. What if you consider a system where a planet like earth has rings but has moons that keep it in check like Saturn. That would be a cool follow up video topic. Also the rings could be pale compared to Saturn unless the rings are formed from a material similar to the moon soil.