we appreciate that and uh all right so we have taken what we think are the 12 best skill position groups in the AFC the AFC as we all know is loaded including all four teams in the AFC North and we we kicked out the Chargers even though they have a good quarterback the Colts and their Young quarterback well we ain't doing quarterbacks no I know that I'm just saying but just weapons the Titans we kicked out and the Broncos right no Titans are in this I about to say it's the Broncos Pi even if I d
idn't list it if you want to make an argument for a team you got the Titans in but the Colts out they got dehop Titans have Hopkins Ridley tayin Burks Tony Pard they have some weapons now all right all right just so on the same page though if a team's not listed you can still make a case for them if you want to put 10 Patriots I'm going to read the PS patri shouldn't be in there either they're not included okay go ahead but here just so we're on the same page I'm going to just read you the weapo
ns for each of these teams that I made graphics for if you want to argue for that's not you still have that right but just so we're all arguing for the same thing we're going to run through these real quick Steve let's take this first one the Browns weapons just so on the same page chub Ford Foreman I also alluded uh excluded a few guys just to fit on the graphic but your receivers Cooper Judy Moore Tilman Bell your tight ends in joku and Jordan Akin next up is the Steelers they have Harris Warr
they sign Cordell par uh Cordell Patterson Pickins Cordo Patterson they have Pickins van Jefferson Calvin Austin quz hins and Denzel Mims at receiver their tight ends Pat fouth and Darnell Washington who they drafted last year the Bengals also in this Zack Moss Chase Brown trayon Williams in the backfield uh Jamar Chase T Higgins Irwin Jones and Bo you could pronounce that last one I'm not quite sure how you pronounce his name uh I can't even remember now it's um so he's not really important an
d Hudson are your ti it doesn't even sound like it's spelled I can't remember I can't remember we'll go to the Ravens they sign Derrick Henry they have Katon Mitchell just Hill Z flowers Rashad baitman Nelson agalar and Tyron Wallace their tight ends Mark Andrews Isaiah likeley keep going on the Chiefs Pacho Clyde Edward hair Rashid rice Maris Brown a bunch of receivers that don't truly matter we have Kelsey and Noah gray at tight ends moving on to Jord aens gets a mention but their receivers do
n't matter well people here know who it is the Texans have Joe Mixon Damen Pierce uh Nico Collins Stefan Diggs tank Dell Noah Brown Rob Bert woods and John mey Jordan Schultz and Brevin Jordan in the tight end the Dolphins have Tyreek Hill jayen Wadd Braxton beros carcraft and isuk Mama I think isuk man no idea uh mostard a chain and Jeff Wilson in the backfield and three tight ends jnu Smith was their big offseason addition the bills I put them in here I know they lost Stefon digs they still ha
ve James Cook uh Shakir Curtis Samuel Matt Collins and KJ hamler they top four receivers at the moment the tight end room the Jets Hall Garrett Wilson Mike Williams who I spelled wrong my bad Mike Town Gibson Alan Lazard Conlin and Rucker are their tight ends the Titans who's the wide receiver Gibson uh Xavier Gibson he was a rookie last year never even heard of him he had the punt return touchdown against Buffalo in week one to win it all right uh the Titans Tony Pard Taj Spears DeAndre Hopkins
Calvin Ridley trayon Burks and Nico Westbrook keina and their tight ends are two guys I'm not familiar with and I threw the jagz on here just as a last uh weapons graphic they have etn tanks Big B Christian Kirk Gabe Davis A Jones Devon du Parker Washington Evan Ingram is their starting tight end and then if you want to add any other teams in there you are more than welcome I mean the Colts have Michael Pitman they have Jonathan Taylor yeah I should have made one for them that's a Miss on me th
ose two really good players but yeah I guess the rest of their SK not really good we're going to rank our top 10 if you want to take a team that's not there by all means take a team that's not there but of those 10 which group has the best overall set of weapons I mean it's hard just race through them so quick can I told you we were going to do this last night can we I know I know I know I thought maybe you'd have a Graphic where it was kind of up there can we go through them one at a time like
just just so I can look at them again Steve if you go to 224 when bull take it full when bull says he's good you can move on to the next all right so for the for the C for the Cavs for the Browns let's let's let's guys that we think are Pro Bowl caliber or Pro Bowl caliber all right is that fair how many per team okay so for the for the for the Browns there's three you've got is Nick chub still Pro Bowl caliber it's impossible to say it's impossible to say Amari Cooper is the joku borderline the
re you go all right there you go so that's we'll say three go ahead next I mean I think the Dolphins are number one I thought the Dolphins go rapid fire next one a debate for one Steelers have one player a pro bowlish Pickins I think go ahead next Bengals have Chase have Higgins that's it two pro bowl players next Derk Henry could he still be a pro bowler maybe Z flowers maybe Mark Andrews yes let's added up to two for me I don't know I'm doing whatever go ahe next rice could be pro bowler Kelse
y too go ahead shees I I think I think they're going to be love I mean wi receiv AB they're going to be really good I think they definitely they got Nico Collins and Diggs and Dell could all be Pro Bowers Mixon maybe I guess I'm put Mixon I could put Zack mosson toen mix can that's four Schulz could be AER single if single can have a season like he had mix that's five so I'm going up to three on the Bengals and five on the Texans go ahhe every last a CH if he stayed healthy could be a pro bowler
last one of them what I mean Hill and Wadd the rest of the wide receivers are nothing oh those two are pretty dog on good those two are great achain is really talented but he was heard a lot in college he was hurt a lot last year most are solid they got nothing to tight end go who's Smith who's there end John Smith oh yeah he's he's all right yeah he's good all right go ahead next next yeah agreed Garrett Bree Hall and Garrett Wilson are great the rest of those guys Mike Williams is all right M
Williams all right that's it Hopkins is good Ridley's good why receiv they got like three nice receivers interesting CD's good but you know last year he had his first chance to be the guy and he wasn't very good it's they got nothing to tight their team is interesting but it all falls on the quarterback well they have no quarterback but for this argument that doesn't matter you're not a will le guy I don't like him he had he threw pretty well last year you out on him too not enough I'm I'm if y
ou make me pick right now I'd be more out than in okay go ahead next Mike last one etn is good Kirk is good okay Davis Gabe Davis it's all right n Ingram's a pro Bower I think Miami they got three pro bowlers and not top end pro bowlers Miami Texans Browns that's how was Miami number one I put Miami one in Houston too I don't understand how Miami I don't think Miami's won I think they got two well you don't have two well so do the Bengals have two great receivers okay and the running back that s
cored how many touchdowns in MO Raheem scored last year 20 something hear you but he's old first of all shout out to you right here that's my boy first of all but he's old no he had a good year I give him that they still fast but we're not judging them based on what they did last year we're judging them what we think they're going to do this year now I like aain a lot I like him better than any of the backs on the Bangles but he's I I would put the Texans number one for me okay we can do that I
came in Miami one that's fine with me I can put the Texas one as good as Tyreek Hill and Wadd are the rest they have nothing no other pass catchers that are any good but those two are so much better than everybody else Smith is they're so much better than Chase and Higgins me on their team I mean to elevate John new Smith is good though come on and mo scored 20 touchdowns last year but I'm saying the rest of their pass catchers are are nothing where whereas the Texans their fifth wide receivers
a a good player wait who was the Texas fifth wide Rob Woods really he's their fifth wide receiver dang Noah Brown is their fourth wide receiver a couple of huge games last year go Bucks but again it's this year I don't know I'm I'm voting Texans one but these guys I no no I'm with you I'll take the Texas for one I came in Miami 1 and Houston 2 but I mean I'm not going to argue if you want to put Houston one we have two votes for Houston at one then so Houston now has the best crop of weapons or
you guys go Miami too he has one first place vote from Jason so B Andis Miami all right who else is in consideration so Cincinnati Cincinnati are the Browns in consideration not yet I don't think so let's look at I mean how can you not well it's it's the chub thing I I think Cincinnati's got better weapons than they got they got two they're pretty freaking good they're better than the Browns top two would you rather have Chase and uh Higgins thank you don't do that would you rather have Chase an
d Higgins or any two from the BR I'd rather have a healthy Amari Cooper and a healthy Nick chub really no no not at all the Browns are top five yes I think the Browns definitely are top five all right let's look Dolphins Bengals all right at wide receiver who you taking waddle and Hill over Chase and Higgins yes yes all right I would take much I would take Jason Higgins but maybe I'm biased so I'll go with you guys what about the rest of the tight end Mike ceki versus John Smith John Smith that'
s probably a wash yeah running back I give the Dolphins The Edge at running back so I'm with you I'll go Dolphins 2 so Dolphins 2 so Houston one Dolphins two so for three Bengals who do we want to compare him to I think the Browns the Browns Cleveland and Baltimore both I Baltimore I think okay let's look have no receivers outside of Z flowers um Mark Andrews Mark Andrews is really good now the Browns so they in the same position as the the Browns well that's why they're we're comparing them wel
l I wouldn't put them this is for number three though so that means the Browns is in contention for three I I would put the Bengals three I'd put the B okay what yeah I agree I I think it's very close I actually think it's very close between the Bengals and Browns I do not like they I like Chase Brown more than I like Zach Moss I really do I I well you get them both if you yeah I'm just the only problem is the problem is Nick chub we don't know what it's going to be that's the problem right now
we're projecting I mean with him again I would take Chason Higgins over any two on the Browns any two you'd have to and that's ultimately why I'm agreeing with you I think the Bengals would be three are we missing anyone Mike as we're because I'm just doing this off top of my head is there anyone the Titans are not this High obviously the bills no Steelers no no I think I think you guys are pretty right far who we forgetting the jag jag jet Jags Jag's not bad but they don't have that highend the
y have a a really good wide receiver one a really good tight end one and a really good running back one but none of them are top end ones Christian Kirk is good for them I don't know how good he'd be with somebody all right so are we going and if gab if you look at Gabe Davis as big play Gabe as he likes to call himself that's good cuz etn is good and Evan Ingram is good those two are they're good all right so we got the Bengals three so let's let's now is where the debate begins so now Browns v
ersus Ravens Browns Ravens and then is there anyone else in there that we're not maybe the Jaguars I think and if I I do think depends on how you look at Tony perer but the Titans weapons I'm about to say paper on paper it look good that Trio receivers is good well it does look good okay I'm not saying I take him with the Browns I'm just saying those are other teams you can high end like high-end Elite Talent the Browns the Titans don't have deop anybody he's not highend Elite at this I don't th
ink so they're not high Elite I would take Amari Cooper over dehop right now I agree right so Mar Cooper is better than any of the receivers on the Titans I agree Amari Cooper's better than any receivers on the Ravens is he better than Z yes okay I'm just asking you know almost cussed wait you'd rather have Zay he's but right now for this yeari Amari of the teams we're looking at now the Titans the Browns the Ravens and the J and the Jaguars guys I'm just asking the question I'm not saying I'm d
isagree T the Titans Browns Ravens and jaguars those are the four we're looking at for the four seed all right I think Mari Cooper is the best wide receiver amongst all those team okay now tight end and chub should be the best running back of all te right tight end you got Mark Andrews you got Evan Ingram and you got David thejoker Mark Andrews Mark Andrews is the best but he heard I would take en joku over Ingram but it's close I would too that's very close you taking Ingram over to joku I'm no
t saying I am I'm I I feel like I feel like they about to say they're same level yeah I I like jok's upside a little more thanam this year I think that I think the joku calluses more of a mismatch than Evan Ingram does the njoku that we saw is Joe Flo that's what I'm talking about that's what I'm talking about is that the guy who's and it's not his fault the system in quarterback for this for this he has he has not looked with DeShawn like he did with Joe FL for this exercise I'm guessing that t
hat's the joku we talking about so running and now running back it's Nick chub it's D Henry and it's um Tony Tony Pard and it's Travis at the end I would even with the risk of of chub I would put him no worse than second on that list i' still put him at of NTN it's between him and derck Henry right and if and if chub's chub he's better than D I'd take him over Derrick Henry right now I would as a as a running back yes but for the team that's where I'm getting worry because Baltimore runs the bal
l yeah and Cleveland seems like they trying to get away from that now I like now Baltimore does not have good wide receiver depth so they going Tennessee has the edge of these four teams in terms of wide receiver depth yes they have I I like their depth better than the Browns depth dehop Gridley Tryon Burks because I'd rather have Ridley is is better than than Judy yes up up this corner yes and trayon Burks you you take that upside over Elijah Moore's got no upside I think stop that come on now
stop that St don't do that cuz I cuz you think he's got upside I feel like he had missed opportunity and that's partially on Phillip well he's going to get fewer opportunities right I know it's a shame I I think it's tough I think in the end I would probably go Browns four um I think those four teams are all pretty close for the four for like I think four through seven is tough but then you got to then you got to throw a guy like Kei Mitchell in there who was nice dangerous if they had would you
take him over Jerome Ford I would now he didn't play a lot last year but when he did he looked special you take him over Jerome Ford what are we doing here yeah I'm looking at the I'm trying to put the whole thing together breaking it down trying to put the whole thing together all right give me the Browns at four man doing I I would put the Browns at four all right we're going Browns at four Browns at four all right so now we're let's keep finish out we might as well just finish it out here so
now we Ravens Jaguars Titans I'd put the Ravens five I I would go I would go Ravens five Jags six Titan seven for me do the Steelers creep into this at all with two backs jayen Warr and nji Harris well let's all right let's let's compare the Steelers to say the Jaguars all right Christian Kirk and Pickins I'd rather have Pickins yes yes but and neither team has great wide who's the Jags number two Gabe Davis right now the Steelers don't have a number two van Jefferson it's van Jefferson Gabe Da
vis is better than van Jeff uh the Jaguars have a better tight end engram's better than Fri MTH yes at running back I think atn's a little better than than um Naj but they got jayen or who is the other back in Jacks it's close tank bsby is their backup yeah that's dude from off it's close but the Steelers like pickings is special the rest of their guy like they their back field it's a nice combo and then they got nothing else Naji here is just he hasn't been what I thought he would be all right
we got are we Titans are the Ravens are definitely five we all agree Ravens five right we agree Ravens five I said Ravens five yeah no all right tyus no I'm still the Titan thing still got me a little bit T Titans vers Ravens the Titan listen that receiver and if it just depends on how you look at Tony per and that's the thing he had a down year but two years ago he was really special so well the Ravens have a big edge of tight end over the Titans that's true too and running back it's it's I'd g
o with the Ravens yeah just give me the Ravens so Ravens five I'd listen to Titans here six Titans Jags or Steelers who else is there the bills the Jets the Colts o see now the Jets have yeah the Jets you forgot about the Jets once you get the six Bree Hall Mike Will and Garrett Wilson is Nast Hall and G gett Wilson's legit Garrett Wilson is better than anybody on the Titans he's better than any wide receiver on the Jags he's be I take him over Pickin with the Steelers for me you guys with me on
that or no all yeah as the total pack I think Pickins is a better receiver I think but Gary Wilson isn't quite the knucklehead that pick is right so if you're making me wil I'm taking Garrett Wilson I'm taking Garr Wilson bias reasons too and I'm I'm taking Bree Hall over Derk Henry for me I'm taking him over Pard I'm taking him over etn I'm taking him over the Steelers combo I would put the Titan 6 the seven because I think the Titans are more depth and you guys haven't mentioned the Chiefs ye
t not sure if they creep but just want to make sure you asked team you forgot that that much more I actually would take I would take the Jets the Titans I would I think the Titans have more depth I think I would too yeah but Mike Williams I know he's hurt a lot a lot he if if who's the Titans number two again gley oh rley and Ridley's been hurt I mean I I think for production standpoint I would take the Jets and and yes we talking about just weapons but the quarterback just has to Jets fact Aaro
n Rogers over whe L well you can't you got to leave that I know but at the end of the day they're going to be more productive before that reason it's you got to judge them as if they had the same quarterback Jets I'd still think the Jets all right because they so the Jets six so that Titan seven if we're that close Titans seven over the Steelers yeah I think we're in agreement on that seven Titans so then where eight is either the Steelers or the Jaguars you got the bills still you got the Chief
s are we really disrespecting the Chiefs well who can we throw out see the Chiefs the chief bills bills don't make they got Maris Brown and and R and Rashi rice Travis Kelce and P and that's good like that but we're undervaluing the Chiefs a little bit we are we are it's a little it's some disrespect you got you got the best tight end of all time who do we who do we just put seven okay so let's compare the Titans to the Chiefs Pacho or or Pard I'm taking p p wide receiver one I I thought Rashid
rice was very I don't know he's in some trouble here gonna happen but for now he's on the team I don't think he's gonna miss the year I don't think I I would rather I would honestly rather have this may be a a crazy statement I would rather have Rashi rice than any of those receivers for this year now SC that's ridiculous that's just my opinion that's ridiculous that's my opinion ridiculous I thought he showed a lot of progress I actually will put him third okay but how much of that progress is
because who's throwing the ball to him I mean you we got to call this thing even you got is they if R hop have the same quarter Hopkins is old so what he's like 32 do but we're doing it I know we're doing it for projecting ahead and I'm projecting and then Travis Kelce it's a landslide over the Titans end I'll probably put the Chiefs I actually put the Chiefs I think I'll put the Chiefs there talking into it no so now Chief seven Chief seven Titans eight so who can we throw out who's not going t
o make the list the bills are not Bill not going to make the list the bills ain't making the list who else did you have there Mike who we forgetting the Steelers the bills and the Jaguars it's got to be one of the team no no we have two spots left and I all right so Steelers Jaguars Steelers Jaguars pickings over Kirk he didn't make one for the Colts so should we go through the Colts all right so let's go so top wide receiver you got pickings for the Steelers you got Pitman for the Colts you got
Kirk for the Jags I'd actually take Pitman over any of those guys I take Pickins I take Pickins over Pitman I go Pitman do you want to hear the Colt step chart real quick you the graphic but Jonathan Taylor and Trey Surman are your two running backs go bcks Pitman Josh DS and Alec pierce your top three receivers and your tight ends are Kyle granson and mo Aly Cox granson was a rookie last year I like their number one running back the number one receiver I do too I mean Jonathan Taylor is better
than any skilled position on guy on Jacksonville and better than any skilled position guy on uh Pittsburgh I think you might be you undervalue an etn a little bit not saying he's Jonathan Jonathan Taylor no he's not better no he's a good b i I hear you but he's not uh I think I would put the Colts next I'd put the Steelers next you break the tie tiebreaker Steelers Colts or or Jaguars or Jaguars let me see the Jags again uh Steve Pull the Jags it's etn bsby Gabe Davis Christian Kirk Zade Jones
Devon du Parker Washington Evan Ingram and Dora your tight end I just don't see how that's better than the Cults they're a little better at tight end they're the Cults are better at wide receiver one the Cults are better at running back that's true that is true and then colts for Steelers I I I think I will put the Colts in there what about Colts ver Steelers Colts Colts okay so Colts go what is it nine nine yep and who goes 10 Steelers or Jags Steelers I'm with you Jason you're on Steelers I St
eelers higher than Colts all right so there you go Colts n Steelers 10 so we did a YouTube po Jags didn't even make the top 10 we did a YouTube poll by the way you guys were higher on the Browns than everyone else than YouTube what YouTube YouTube that's first the live YouTube chat wow had them 10% top three 39% top five 40% top 10 well we had top five well yeah but the major well by 1% but the most of all the categories voted on yeah but that doesn't make any sense Mike because 49% combined had
them in the top five cuz you have to combine top three top five I guess you're right I I guess I guess you're right in that sense but it's still under 5050 right it was 10 39 1039 correct I'm shocked where do let's see the top five again yeah top five you guys went with Houston Miami Cincinnati Cleveland and Baltimore three of the four AFC North teams by the way and so and they had them out of the top five I me you you could make the case for Baltimore head of Cleveland I don't still in the top
five who do we have at six six the Jets the Chiefs the Titans the Colts I'm not putting the Jets above the Browns no I'm not putting any of Team above the Browns by who' you take Garrett Wilson or Amari Cooper G gar Wilson Garrett Wilson and I take Bree Hall over Nick Chum year only because Garrett only because Garrett is younger that's all the reason like so it's Garrett over Mari Cooper is a slight Edge for the Jets and I because of Nick chub's uncertainty Hall and Bree Hall you'd put ahead o
f chub and that's why maybe you can make the argument for Jets now beyond that the Jets don't have much I take Mike Williams over Judy well that's true Mike Williams best has certainly been better than Judy I'd rather to reevaluate this I'd actually rather have Judy I'd rather Mike Williams I think I think Mike Williams Brown's got a big Edge a tight end yeah yeah um the Jets don't have a tight end but uh and the Jet Jet who's the Jet's number two running back uh he has a weird last name oh yeah
yeah isab whatever yes do we have them six we have the jet six jet six yeah I mean it's close I I guess you could I mean if you you could make an argument for the Browns to be six you could you could but I I think it's very close between actually the Jets Ravens and the do you think we coming from this from a bias standpoint I don't think so I don't think so either you know it's not like it's j& G on the panel or Earl these poor men catching Strays out minding their own business I mean you coul
d listen if it was JG and Earl on here been number one four five and six I any way you want to put that order I respect it well we asked Twitter as well I put it out this morning I want to read you just a couple Twitter responses before we move on to our 100% certain would be a star before they ever played conversation but Stevie take tagboard here couple answers first one comes from Mike Paris said hinges on the health of chub if he can return to form it's a top five unit next up was good Beast
only teams that have a better unit are Miami and Houston maybe the Jets and Jacksonville and I'm not all that sure Houston is better than us we have a better tight end by a long shot assuming chub is at least as good as Mixon but yeah they have a better watch how do you have a better tight end by a long shot I'm about to say you sleeping on D Schult schz David and joku are there's not much of a difference between those two and jackon I the joku had one good year one only teams better Miami and
Houston and you forgetting Cincinnati well I think Cincinnati for sure is better maybe the Jets and Jacksonville for sure is not we didn't put Jacksonville on our top 10 right that was a no they would left them out all right next one we have I mean we get we didn't just go through that quickly we really thought about it we weren't doesn't mean we're right but you know we we took a lot of time with that you know uh when uh this from CB CBB Dynasty BK when they're all healthy for running backs top
three receivers top 10 somewhere for tight ends top five I think he did that individually and we got one more or that Browns are not top five in tight end in the AFC you think so oh in the AFC yeah I'm trying to think of f Titans I was thinking the whole league but a lot of good tight ends are in the NFC I'll tell you what man Houston it's nasty it's incredible how fast they flipped it like think about where Houston was just a couple years ago with the Deshawn mess and everything else well in t
he end it all comes down it comes down the quarterback CJ stra yeah they got the quarterback if the Panthers had not blown it if the Panthers had taken CJ strap is a whole different oh I totally agree but they didn't yeah and look where Houston is now look how fast they flipped it and now we have them top two and they have the quarterback and we have them number one we put number one right yes in weapons yeah that's unbelievable all right we're going to move on to our next topic
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