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Why Being A People Pleaser Keeps You Stuck In Unhappy Relationships

It can be so frustrating to find yourself people-pleasing to make sure everyone else is okay, and abandoning yourself by doing whatever it takes to not have a relationship end. I know... I’ve been there too. And in this episode, my past client and dear friend Amy Jenkins shares her experience of learning how to choose herself even when that meant leaving a 18 year marriage. She shares how breathwork has been a tool to help her trust herself again and how mindful she is in her now partnership to not fall back into old familiar patterns. Enjoy this episode and share with your girlfriends who are also seeking the inspiration to live + love awake 🫶🏻. If this lands for you, I invite you to help other women find this information too by leaving a 5-star review (cool rhyme, right?!)! Listen For: ✨ How people-pleasing and abandonment fears can be rooted in childhood ✨ Why you aren’t responsible for someone else's happiness ✨ How we grieve relationships before we even leave them ✨ What it feels like to KNOW for certain that it is time to leave a relationship ✨ How breathwork helps you trust yourself again ✨ A simple breathing exercise you can do when you are stressed the f*ck out MENTIONED IN EPISODE: 📚 ⁠The Heroine’s Journey⁠ (book): https://a.co/d/bUqA02T 🌱 ⁠Accelerated Awakening Plant Medicine Retreat⁠: https://www.wisewarriorretreats.com/retreat-costa-rica 🫶🏻 ⁠Amy’s website⁠: https://www.amyjinxcoaching.com/ 🫶🏻 ⁠Amy’s YouTube⁠: https://www.youtube.com/@amyjinxcoaching DECEMBER HOLIDAY PROMO 🎁: $200 off my private coaching program, ⁠Awakening⁠: https://www.brewolta.com/awakening 🎁 Schedule your free session (as the first step) here: ⁠⁠https://freeyourselffromtoxicrelationships.youcanbook.me⁠⁠ MORE GOODNESS: ❤️ For more resources on healing from the mindf*ck of confusing relationships so you can reawaken to YOUR authentic self: ⁠⁠https://www.brewolta.com⁠⁠ 🫶🏻 ⁠⁠⁠7 Questions to Ask Yourself if You Are in a Toxic Relationship⁠⁠⁠ - FREE Guide https://brewolta.mykajabi.com/7-questions-to-ask-yourself 🌻 Free Session to Explore Individual + Group Coaching: ⁠⁠https://freeyourselffromtoxicrelationships.youcanbook.me/ TIMESTAMPS: 00:00:00 Holiday Promo for $200 private coaching program 00:09:22 How childhood set her up perfectly for a codependent relationship 00:16:35 Passing down ancestral trauma 00:18:29 Not being responsible for other's happiness 00:21:30 Grieving before the relationship ends 00:26:22 Knowing when to leave 00:36:08 Plant medicine for healing 00:40:27 Breathwork and how it helped her trust herself again 00:49:52 Simple breathwork exercise when you are stressed the F out 00:59:55 Rationalizing feelings vs. feeling feelings #relationshipskills #leavingmybody #breathworkhealing #codependent

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okay before we get into this juicy episode I  want to share with you a holiday promo that's running for all of the month of December I am  offering $200 off my Awakening program this is a thre Monon individual coaching program where I  will take you through an arc of an experience to help make sense of a mind [ __ ] of a confusing  relationship process the feeling so that you can actually heal and become the best version of  yourself so that you don't have to exper erience painful love ever agai
n this program includes  an educational component with modules and videos and action-oriented homework there's also some  guided Journeys guided meditations in there for your benefit it also includes individual sessions  where we are really going to deeply process what has happened and give you that space to regulate  your nervous system to create that relationship with your inner child and really move some of  this stuckness that you're feeling and then you also get accountability support real
time  so when you get that message from your ex who who do you reach out to who can help you make  that make that decision on what to say or what not to say so having that real-time support to  help you interrupt The Reflex that you have been in but most importantly this is a container to  hold you while you process what's happened and step into what next I really want you to feel  safe and supported to say the thing that is too embarrassing and too shameful in your mind to say  to your friends
and family maybe you don't have anybody else that you can share these things with  and in the safety you'll find Healing so again this promo runs for all of December $200 off this  three-month program the first step is to schedule a free session so that we can get to know one  another and see if this is going to be a good fit for you and I want you to just imagine and  envision this life where you feel so fulfilled and secure in yourself on your own freeing you to then  confidently choose a part
ner who can align with you in your life and celebrate the woman that you  are because you deserve that and it's so waiting for you the link to the free session and to The  Awakening program is in the show notes below so be sure to check it out enjoy this episode welcome  to this episode of lucid living with Bri learn to live in love awake I'm your host Bri walta and  I am here with one of my best friends and former client Amy Jenkins I'm so excited to share with  you her story and how she has mo
ved through her Awakening journey through relationships family  Dynamics self-abandonment all of the amazing [Music] moments that you've had in your in what  has become your healing Journey yeah it's not over yet yeah yeah do you want well I do I want you  to introduce yourself to to the audience thank you Bri I'm so honored to be here so thank you so  much for having me I love and adore you so much so this is exciting to be here with you um yeah  so as Brie said I'm Amy Jenkins um I'm a holisti
c coach so I like working with folks on a mind body  and soul level I started my career Journey uh as a therapist I was um I got my masters in Clinical  Psychology and was about halfway through a PhD in counseling psychology and was like I don't think  this is actually what I'm supposed to be doing but I don't know it's going to play in somewhere down  the road and fast forward maybe 10 or 12 years um got my certification in personal training and  nutrition and just realized oh there's all these
different pieces to the puzzle that they all  connect that talking through things having this beautiful base of theory from psychology and being  able to talk through things but also bringing in somatic or body work nutrition sleep movement  all these components come together to really truly heal so I love tying all that together and  working with clients who are kind of stuck in in whatever realm of their life I have clients who  are not sure what next career path choice will be stuck in um ki
nd of maladapted patterns in  their life or even just I have athletes who are looking to optimize their nutrition and I always  start our conversations with yeah yeah yeah we can we can start with nutrition but we're gonna talk  about feelings too I love tying it all together and yeah it's it's It Feels So heart aligned to  the work that I'm doing it's taken a while to get here but I I love it so much yes yes watching your  Evolution too from because I've known I don't even know how long we've k
nown each other now a while  back when you had short blonde hair so it was a very long time um if you you aren't watching the  video Amy now has very beautiful very long brown hair so it timing wise it took a while to grow  it out um but watching your Evolution from you know when you got your personal training degree  and just sort of like wanting to really help people achieve their physical goals yeah and how  that's evolved into like oh yeah and and there's all this emotional component and now
bringing in  the breath work and like how that can help open so many doors in your understanding your awareness  like your healing so it's like the body focus has evolved in different ways whether it's the mind  or the physical body it's all it's all connected and ironically I think it unfolded as my own  healing Journey unfolded right yeah always so when I think about when I was starting on the  the personal training component I was kind of distracting myself with being as physically fit  and
like crushing every physical goal and nailing the nutrition yeah as I peeled back the layers  of that onion was just like oh [ __ ] there's a little bit of a wonky emotional layer in here that  I haven't wanted to look at and I think that's where it's kind of I beautiful to see how they  both unfold at the same time of life mimicking art is what they say sometimes it's like career  mimicking life so yeah even your word choice of crushing crushing the workouts and nailing the  food choices like t
hat's so masculine oh my gosh and I know we're gonna dive into my divorce but  I remember very shortly after we separated I dove into what the hell is the divine feminine because  I identified so strongly as this masculine entity and so much of my life didn't want to be a woman  didn't want to be a girl I can remember as like a little kid not I want to be a girl so now yeah  kind of enveloping this oh femininity actually is this beautiful I mean the balance of the two  and yeah yeah it's funny I
hadn't picked up on my word choice but yeah back in the day really  really well it's a masculine industry and I mean we could go into a whole Deep dive around how how  nutrition and and the fitness culture is geared towards men and not towards women who are cycling  and like the whole the whole craziness of it all um but it made me think of the heroin's journey  have you read that book no oh my God it's I've recently read it and recently was like [ __ ]  I really I'm still a little unbalanced i
n the masculine that's to read this okay yeah for me  that's the default safe place is the masculine I'll do it I'll do it perfect I'll you know run  myself into the ground all of the things instead of the feminine receptive trusting intuitive it's  a good book it's I'll probably reread it several times yeah definitely I'm gonna well when I come  back and listen to this podcast too make a little note yeah so let's let's start by talking about  how or maybe the beginning of the journey on how you
've gotten to where you are now and this more  more awake more of the time place because I want to be careful of like we're never reaching the  Finish point or The Awakening the enlightened moment right it's like so many of this these  falling asleep waking up falling asleep waking up and you just get more skilled at recognizing  nap a little shorter right yes yeah yeah instead of like a coma you're in my coma began yeah you  know I I don't know if this will resonate with your with your listener
s but M my journey really  did begin in childhood you know it really began in the roots and the origin and something I I want  to say I'm gonna I'm gonna talk about some hard things and honestly I'm gonna name it too this  is the first time in my life I've talked about this publicly so it's I'm a little afraid there's  a little girl in me that's feeling a little like you know shameful like don't don't put anybody  down and it's like well I even talked to you about this a little bit and you're li
ke this is  your this is your story so I'm GNA tell my story but I also want folks to know that as I tell  this story uh my father has since deceased so I haven't been able to have conversations with him  as an adult unfortunately he died when I was 10 um but I I talked to him in the in my in my heart in  the spiritual Realm we have a beautiful connection with others and we've done a lot of mending and  healing on the other side uh my mother and I have had quite a few conversations and it's an E
ver  evolving relationship you know and and we have our own sleep wake Cycles as well in our relationship  so as I talk about this I do want to instill hope and reality that it is still a process it is still  a journey but that relationship is improving and I don't have children so I cannot necessarily  put myself in either of my parents shoes but um yeah my my journey started very young um both of  my parents are children of abuse as well and you know I'm an 80s baby and so my parents are boome
rs  and Boomers by and large you know obviously there there's Shades of Gray weren really a generation  that did their own self workor there wasn't a self- journey at least back in the 80s there  wasn't you know if you had a therapist so what something was wrong with you yeah quote unquote  right yeah yeah um and so they didn't do their own healing at that time and so I I I can hold  space for both of those things that a lot of the pain I received was their own pain emitting out of  them whether
they meant to or not and my mom and I even spoken about this a bit where she said I just  always thought because I wasn't hitting you I was doing better than what my parents did and like oh  to hear that and that's really hard and there's a lot of compassion there and there's a lot of  compassion for what I went through as well yeah of course and and not to get into the nitty-gritty  of details I'll just kind of give some um some context a lot of my childhood was around saying  the right thing
and if you didn't you were just completely torn down um people pleasing having the  answer right away and really taking responsibility some of the these qualities are fine right some  of these qualities are taking responsibility for what you did is a beautiful value to instill in  your child but the fear of the ramification if you didn't was maybe that more kind of harsh piece  to it um and so I being my own unique Soul because my brother and I lived the same childhood and  were're both very dif
ferent people um I inherited or I I cultivated if you will this people pleasing  beyond my own own Comfort beyond my essentially abandoning myself I I developed abandonment fears  I was always afraid of not being loved not being good enough that love being taken away and so  my fear of Abandonment led to abandoning myself at all costs I would do what needed to be done  to be lovable to be enough yeah and it set me up beautifully to be the spouse to someone that  I could just people please and my
ex um has you know their own wounds and has his own Journey if  you will and and his own sleep awake cycle but we were in a very codependent relationship and  I think when we met we met when we were 20 we met actually when we were 19 20 years old um and  I had a huge crush on him like from the gecko oh my gosh I was like ooo who is this I recognize  that wounded I want that exactly and I had just shaved my head my and I had a boyfriend at the  time and my boyfriend at the time was like not into
it at all he was not there's been a lot of  hairstyles over wish I knew Amy with a shaved head oh she was fearless and yeah so he thought  it was cool and he was so interested in me and I know you've talked a lot about trauma bonding  and love bombing there was some of that in that relationship too um of both of us having these  wounded parents and thus being wounded children and how can we I wouldn't even say hold space for  one another because I don't think either one of us had the skill set
to do that but just how can we  Collide and how can we numb out we were both um I had never really smoked marijuana at the time  don't tell my mom I'm kidding but I lived in Oklahoma it was the early 2000s and it was very  illegal but you know he got he introduced me to marijuana and I was like oh this is a fun this is  a fun drug this calms me down yep and you know we got lost a lot in um numbing out together and I  think that that set the foundation unfortunately for our relationship uh when t
hings got difficult  when things became um um to a Breaking Point rather than let's have a real conversation about  what's really going on let's have that deep inner connection let's go to therapy together it was oh  [ __ ] it let's just know now yeah which is like when two people come together with the intention  of you know just colliding right it's not really it's not really I'm a heal I'm and and healed is  also an interesting word but like I'm an awake I'm a conscious person around my stuff
I know how  this shows up in relationships if you're not that way coming into relationships you kind of just  like are it's more transactional it's like I'm going to be here so that I don't feel abandoned  and you're probably here so that you feel loved or validated or whatever he was getting from the  dynamic and it's just this constant transaction of what I need from you because I can't give it to  myself yes and of course you find a man like that that replicates the early dynamic because tha
t's  what you learned and from the early Dynamic you adapted all of these wonderful survival skills  of people pleasing and getting your needs met right that at one point for little Amy that was  vital you had to you had to because we need the connection from our parents we need the the you're  going to take care of me right we need that from our parents so we just do what ever we need to do  to figure out how to get that and the unfortunate piece is then those patterns get Consolidated and  sol
idified in our subconscious and they just keep running the show into our adulthood which is  why this whole part of being introspective and curious about your trauma and your patterns is  so important because you don't want to be the one passing down like your parents did even though  you may not have children but it's like the people that you interact with like just everybody that  you touch with your wounded places it affects them so it's our trauma is not our fault but  it is our responsibili
ty now totally totally and I think that's I know to your point neither  one of us was doing the work on ourselves and so inevitably we couldn't meet our own needs  let alone each others so there be times where I couldn't show up for him or he couldn't show up  for me and that just triggers all of those wounds and kind of a domino effect and inevitably too  because we were codependent with when one of us was triggered the other was inevitably triggered  and so it just created kind of a chaotic cy
cle for us yeah and that's when we get into those  real hopeless places where it's like oh my God we're here again oh my God we're having the same  fight again like it's just it's like Groundhog's Day if we're not stopping to be like oh what's  at the root of this or why why does this thing bother me so much that they're doing or where's  my part and taking accountability for it or am I taking too much accountability for it because I  know that was in both of our cases with our exes we we took f
ault for a lot of things that were not  our fault yeah yeah and responsibility I if I you know I know we're going to talk about this in a  little bit probably um of the work that you and I did together I think that was one of the pieces  that just finally clicked for me is oh my God I'm not responsible for your happiness and you're  not responsible for mine I'm not responsible for any of your feelings yeah whoa yeah yeah and  it's kind of it's like just that simple and just that complex right ye
p yeah yes so you were with  him for several years 18 and a half years and and I say that there were so many I mean yeah I never  want to frame it as like it was all just chaos we definitely there was a lot of love there there  was a lot of of Adventure there so many positive memories um I can say so many positive things  about my ex he's so creative so funny um just you know I do think of him and very fond light yeah  and it's been three years so that definitely helps but yeah um you know I wou
ld never want to talk  about him in a disparaging way yeah but um yeah 18 and a half years and there were times I think  one of the um there's I can actually remember one memory very vividly of you and I at the gym  and we were talking and I was going through a phase where I thought we were going to break up  and it's okay that you don't remember this and it was one of the very first moments I felt very  comfortable being like I don't know what I'm going to do about this relationship I don't thi
nk it's  GNA last and it still took I think about four or five years before we finally ended it and um most  of it was because he said very frankly I mean if nothing else my ex was really great about saying  if we break up I can't have you in my life I can't I can't be your friend I can't be around you and  that was his boundary you know we we didn't set many boundaries with one another but that was  one that I just I knew and the way he said it I knew he meant it and so every time I kind of got
  close to that Cliff of saying I think I'm done I think I'm ready to move on I knew it meant full  abandonment yeah the worst fear the worst fear right there in my face yeah and it wasn't until  I was ready to say I would rather be alone than in this relationship in this cycle anymore yeah  thank you for naming that because I think a lot of women who stayed longer than they should and  I say that lightly because it's like I I believe that we finally come to the place of being ready  when exactl
y when we're meant to but that moment when you first think like [ __ ] this might not  this might not be working and and you almost slowly start grieving or slowly start preparing  for the grief well before you left oh yeah and I don't know if that's the case with men I don't  I don't work with men in the same capacity but so many of my female clients have done that where  they're they're grieving they're they're coming to the realization or the that moment of pure knowing  that this is the righ
t decision and sometimes that takes several years several years and there's no  shame in however long it takes you to to come to that point where it's finally like the pain  of being here is worse than the the potential pain that might come from this unknown place of  being abandoned and being alone right and I don't even think I did it consciously but I think that  moment where I started to name it years before we actually did split um subconsciously I began  the work there I start I stopped nu
mbing out I started focusing on crushing that nutrition I  went to a very masculine place with it but I did I started focusing on self-care from a holistic  perspective um I started going to therapy to talk about what was going on I started doing more um  holistic healing and seeing spiritual healers um and so I think I needed that more like I needed  my team yeah right I needed my team so that I knew that when this ultimate abandonment came  that I was choosing that abandonment because I was no
longer going to abandon myself I was going  to choose me yes yes and the reframe around this isn't an abandonment this is a this is a choice  for my well-being yeah yeah is is an impactful one right when it's not like oh my oh my God he's  leaving me and I won't be okay it's like oh I'm choosing this and I will be okay because I've  surrounded myself with the these amazing people that can hold me and you know when I think about  those moments that I like when I left it was not the most opportun
e time for him I left when I  had bolstered myself up and you and I worked a lot with this there was so much guilt and shame  that I'm doing really well and I've supported myself he might be actually at the lowest part of  his life and how dare I do this to him when he's going through this yeah how dare I no longer take  care of him yeah yeah which is a hard it's hard to decipher for those of us who have taken care  of people our whole lives it's hard to decipher what is what is true for you you
and what is like  doing something to punish someone else yeah it's like you didn't choose to leave when you did like  to throw him into the lowest point of his life it was just that was the point where you needed to  take care of yourself and he's an adult man who's responsible for his own feelings and experiences  and emotions and he can get his tribe of people to support him too right it's like oh I'm not  actually that's not my role anymore and that's not my responsibility and you know it's
funny  talking about repeating patterns um I was put in that place at an early age a team of one  my mom would often say to me you're my best friend or why can't you be my therapist when I  was getting my degrees well why can't you be my therapist and so I was used to being someone who  needed to be the role of the daughter best friend and therapist and so having a spouse now that  really isolated himself um and and really relied on me to be there as support in many different  components or diff
erent ways yeah it was a role I knew all too well and been very groomed for  yeah and we go towards the familiar even though it's uncomfortable even though it's not serving  The Familiar is is the safe place in our in our mind because with with the unfamiliar comes all  of the unpredictable things that could happen and we don't control them and like panic mode  so I'll stay in this painful familiar over the unpredictable potentially much better place which  you experiencing now so what was that
what was that moment like for you when you said I'm going  like how did you how did you come to that that for sure knowing um I think he actually did it for  me to begin with he started everything in motion um because I honestly didn't have the guts at  first yeah and through several conversations we decided to separate and then excuse me as soon as  he left I've never really said this to anybody so sorry if I'm kind of pausing as as soon as he  left because I don't I don't I don't mean this to
be hurtful at all but as soon as he left I  felt this like tremendous overwhelming sense of relief and a door closing that I was so happy to  have closed yeah and that sounds really horrible to say because again lovely human being it wasn't  a terrible it wasn't awful you know I could make all the excuses right yeah because I did for  so long um and to some degree I still do right I still say oh but um but as soon as he left I  just knew in every cell of my body this is what I wanted and I could
feel every cell rejoicing  yeah yeah and then I had to decide how to tell him I actually wanted a divorce because we were  just doing a trial separation but I knew pretty much instantly and so thankfully had therapy I  think I had individual therapy and then I had an individual session with our couples counselor  both that week which was great and excuse me put up sticky notes everywhere you're allowed to  want a divorce you can writing out how I was going to say that I wanted the divorce and i
t  was um I mean it was trembling I was terrified it was funny because um I went right back to  that little girl who was torn down for saying the wrong thing because I knew in his eyes I was  going to be saying the wrong thing yeah yeah and that would probably open a lot of space for him  to tear you down especially if what you're saying is causing pain for him or or uncomfortability  or inconvenience right yeah 100% yeah yeah I want to I want to thank you first and foremost for  sharing some of
these pieces that you've not said out loud and being vulnerable in your story and I  can relate to that moment of relief and to the to the the then coming moments of longing and missing  and grieving and I think it's important to to say that we can hold both of those things like we can  we can feel that this was a [ __ ] yes decision in my body full through and through and still have  that moments of dropping into the Nostalgia and remembering the good times and missing that and  missing him an
d missing what was even if there was pain even if there was you know the uncomfortable  experiences it's like we still had all of those experiences with that person person and the grief  doesn't mean you have to hate them forever but you can you can hold both you can hold that duality  of of knowing you know and it's been three years it comes less the way it's come less but I've  even talked with my partner now where there are times where I miss laughing with him you know  I do miss his friendsh
ip I respect his boundary 100% I don't think that it would have been helpful  for for either one of us to try to remain friends especially in the beginning yeah um and it's it's  interesting I even catch sometimes wanting to share with them like where my life is now because  my life is on a complete 180 yeah but I have to honor that he might not be excited for me he  may not he may not wish that well yeah yeah yeah the the feeling feeling of the feelings without  having the reaction or the behav
ior attached to it is such a skill like being able to feel that  feeling of longing or that feeling of wishing that you could tell him how things were without  actually doing it or doing it before you realize that you're doing it and then getting a really  negative result from it yeah is is is a superpower like being able to do that is it's something that  you know it's sitting in that discomfort it really is is yeah so in the three years that you have  been post divorce what were some of the mo
st impactful moments for you on the healing journey  in making sense of the relationship or healing with your inner child you know fill us in a little  bit around what felt the most helpful sure I think um so the the group work that you and I did in in  the container was really helpful for me to have kind of a light on of I had read codependency for  dummies I had read codependent no more but it was the first time I could kind of link it a little  I'm trying to think of how to say this it was ki
nd of like the first time I could see my part in  it like um I could see how I felt pulled in to the drama and to be the rescuer but I didn't see how  I was also the persecutor and the victim if that makes sense and so that was just kind of a lights  on to see oh it's not this like codependency isn't this just static thing and you play one role in it  no you it's a moving flowing Dynamic way of being and I had to recognize that because um I think by  the time we were doing work I was in my that
the relationship I am in currently and I could see me  slowly starting to play those patterns again yeah and be like okay if the one constant variable is  yourself yeah maybe you're part of the problem and so it was was able to and I think that the beauty  of that container and the other women that were in that group was that we could see one another  hold space for one another and it reduced the shame something that um that I work a lot with and  actually I'll get to this next as breath work bu
t um shame and guilt come up so much for me I don't  I'm still in my sleep awake cycle exploring and understanding this grief shame guilt diad that I  have going on or Triad that I have going on yeah um and in fact I'm doing a journey in two weeks  that I'll talk about in a little bit too but um so so I think so so so having a container of  women to really explore things continuing to go to therapy doing quite a bit of somatic work so  along this time I also was just physically a wreck I um I've
been battling still battling sibo which  is a small a small intestinal bacterial overgrowth that I believe started in 2020 when I got a really  bad stomach virus and it just yeah it's been a lot to try to clear it out but all of that stress  you know we talk about cortisol and all of our stress hormones affecting our body's ability to  heal itself so doing lots of I did Yoni steams um Mind Body connective meditations and then that  led me down this path of breath work and I've done breath work
years ago I had I had done it with  a A Beautiful Soul here in Denver um and I was like I think I want to try this again so I found  someone out in here and I now live in Boulder so saw someone in Boulder and I was like hell yeah  I want to do that I want to add that tool to my kit for my personal growth but also to the  work that I'm doing so I mentioned earlier this mirroring of life and career yep again I felt  that whole body yes and so started a facilitator apprenticeship and in my and and
as a part of that  I do weekly breath work with myself and the type of breath work that this is around is it's more  transformative uh we call it circular connective so it is likened to in fact there's studies right  now going on at John's Hopkins looking at the impact of this type of breath work as compared to  MDMA and LSD in treating PTSD and Veterans so it's really potent uh beautiful work that you can do  within yourself with just your own breath that's awesome diving into that has been a G
ameChanger um  and that's where I've kind of learned more about this Triad a lot of grief comes up and immediately  shame and guilt and it's it's an interesting thing that I'm exploring um lastly I'll say I mentioned  a journey that I'll be doing so I am you know I've been doing the breath work but I am going to take  it into a little bit of a deeper realm I'll be um undergoing some psilocybin uh journey in a couple  of weeks and so um what my hope there is is that I'll be able to prolong that t
hat EXP of dropping  in to help have some resolution and help me kind of rewire my brain a little bit and have a little  bit longer of a Time the breath work I typically do is about an hour um so this will be five or  six hours maybe more we'll see um so I'm hoping for just a little bit more expansive space to  to amplify and to integrate yeah I think breath work and and um medicine work and whatever type  of medicine you're working with go really well together again because of the The Body Conn
ection  yeah and breath work being more accessible in that you know typically it's an hour hour and a half  you could you don't have to be really screened there's no contraindication or there may be  contraindications but maybe not to the same degree as medicine work it's just a little bit  more accessible more of the time and to your point about like dropping in deeper that gives you also  so much fertile ground to then bring to integrate with breath work yes and integrate in your therapy  and
it's like the experience because I helped to co-create and co- facilitate uh plant medicine  retreats in Costa Rica and the company that I work with they they put a lot of intentional effort and  like specialty in the integration piece because if we go and have these experience experiences and  then don't have integration support like what the [ __ ] is the experience it's just it's just  an experience right we're not we're not bringing the wisdom we're not bringing the learning the  uncovering
we're not integrating those into into how we live our life and therefore we're not going  to see change so for you having having both in in like your your medicine kit of healing tools is  is so beneficial and I'm such a a big supporter of all that you do but I'm so excited for your your  journey I am too and you know it's not um I think sometimes people um think like oh you're gonna  you're gonna take some plant medicine and just drop in and you know it's it's so intentional  right yeah so I'm
two weeks out I've been off caffeine for three or four weeks now um off of  sugar I alcohol you know all of these um when kind of cleansing the body and spending more time in  nature you know cyon especially has that mycelium connection and so I'm doing lots of grounding  meditations like naked feet in the ground letting my my celium connect with the nature outside and  this may seem a little woo woo to folks but but it really is this connective piece of I want to  connect with nature so that wh
en I take in nature as a plant medicine I've already been working with  it to a degree and I've already cleansed my body of some of the toxins that I might have built up  I love coffee so it's you know that's that's been a journey but um you know just kind of clearing  all that out so that I can receive the medicine in its purest form and and really do the work and  setting intentions I'm journaling every day about what's going on but also intention setting for  what I hope to get from the exper
ience yeah and really treating this with respect yeah and not  just respect for the medicine but respect for yourself and this this choice that you've made to  put your your money and your time and your energy and yourself in this container it's like you  intentionally showing up is a way that you are showing yourself that you matter yeah and again  choosing myself right yes yes and I know that breath work for you has been sort of an Open Door  back into trusting your body trusting yourself trus
ting your intuition share a little bit about  how that how that came to be yeah oh I'd love to that's a great question um so I think one of the  things I tell folks who come to do breath work is that this type of breath work is similar to taking  plant medicine but it's just your breath doing it and so therefore you're in control the whole time  and just that piece of knowing that you can stop breathing you can you know you can come out of it  pretty quickly at any point you need to there's some
thing so empowering there but also leaning  into it if you start to go there you know I've had times where shit's getting real it gets you know  I might be reliving a memory or some emotion might be coming up really intensely it's like I know I  could just stop or I could lean into it and know that the reason this is coming up because again  it's it's not a substance I've ingested it is just me and my breath and my brain chemistry that maybe  there's something that I need to look at that maybe I
'm ready to look at it maybe I'm already  processing it it's just you because we've got this um this is such a computery thing to say we've got  front end and back end so what what we see on the website is not necessar what's all happening in  the background right our body IES are the same way and so I might be seeing a visual or having  an emotion that's the front end pieces but stuff in that back end has been going on whe whether I  know it or not like the whole stuff going on with my gut heal
th is an indicator that things aren't  great in my ecosystem that needs to be looked at right and so there's this trust and saying okay  breath have your way with me that's what my mentor always says that have your way with me breath  and I really love it because it's it's kind of this I trust you implicitly and what that means  is I trust you implicitly and this I Got You Babe kind of energy that's so interesting about the  control piece because because people who want who reach out to us about
plant medicine and we work  with aasa so it has the you know the reputation of being like the the big one the grandmother you  know and people are really afraid of of not being in control of that situation and to your point  it's like whether it's the breath or the medicine it's it's going to show you what's already there  that you are it's not going to give you more than you are able to handle and it might be more than  you thought you would see in that moment yeah and like you said it's it's
in the background already  so it's not it's not bringing up these things that are completely like I don't know in left field  I guess of your experience yeah but that that piece about being able to control and being  a I think that opens again the accessibility for people where it's like because we all want  control in some way we want to be control have control over the experience and in breath work it  sounds like you you dance and you flirt with that edge of of how how expansive can I feel In
This  Moment moment without pulling away and how much can I trust myself without you know losing that  connection to to my inner guidance and I mentioned that um I do breath work with myself I am trained  to do that so it isn't something much like I would never suggest someone take a plant medicine and  go off on their own as a medicinal Journey would never suggest that I would not suggest someone go  off and do transformational or circular connective breath work on their own either have a guid
e um  you know either doing an individual session or there's groups um which can be really amazing too  because you've got a group of people who are all having their experiences so you might hear someone  over here laughing hysterically someone over here screaming or crying and you're kind of in the  middle you know you may or may not be having any of those emotions right or sometimes you're on  the precipice of wanting to release some emotion but hearing somebody else's emotion push through  al
lows your floodgates to come open so it can be really beautiful but but yeah I I 100% recommend  someone having someone there to hold that space so knowing that yes I'm in control as I'm flirting  with that edge I'm still being held and there's so much medicine just in the experience itself like  you're talking about someone laughing or someone screaming I had an experience um with plant  medicine where I someone was laughing and I got pissed I was so angry that this person was having  so much f
un in their experience and I'm over here like having some sematic pain and just it wasn't  a happy experience for me and what that allowed me to see was how often I I allow other people  to experience joy and pleasure but don't believe that I am worthy of that or don't believe that  I can relax or not you know be the responsible one yeah yeah and that not even from the medicine  it was just the experience of hearing the person laughing gave me so much Insight so doing group  experiences whether
it's breath work or coaching or plant medicine it's like the the how we learn  from other people and the mirrors that other people get to be for us it's it's incredible you  can't you can't create that intentionally like I always talk about the people who come into my  groups I'm like I couldn't have chosen you all to be in this more perfect place together where  it's typical where they all share family Dynamics or they're all share you know really abusive  partners that they're leaving at the s
ame time like it's just it's different every time and it's  like just when I open a container there's so much trust that's like okay I'm going to have two or  three or four people in here and it's going to be perfect whatever it needs to be beyond what I can  see right now I had that thought last night I had a um a brand new client just signed up they saw  one of my flyers at the climbing gym and signed up for breath work I didn't know them and like  beautiful soul and I just after they left I j
ust like put my hand to chest and was just like oh my  gosh Universe you bring me like the best people thank you so much so grateful and and even to  your point I remember in your coaching container I mean first of all just lovely group of women and I  remember one woman in particular her ex was almost like her story with her ex was nearly identical  to mine and I needed that I needed someone else to say I see you girl yeah he's he's not a bad guy  he's not you know he's not narcissistic he's no
t abusive yeah and yeah here it is and you're not  happy and you can you can end that relationship yeah we don't have to wait for it to be something  that's abusive or like you know giving yourself the permission to leave whatever relationship  even if it's a wonderful person but you're just not compatible anymore or you're not aligned  with where you want to go it's like it's okay it's okay for you to choose what's best for you  hands down full stop period life it's your life yeah what does you
r mug say I remember you sh me  your mug I love it oh it says live the life live the life you imagine you see it yeah I know it's  once we once we can see our tendency to choose other people or the reason that we people please  the fear that's behind that we get more skilled at tending to that inner child and therefore can  validate her fear and still choose the thing right I can validate that she's [ __ ] terrified  and still choose choose to leave and and both of those things are necessary for
us to be able to  function healthfully in the world otherwise we're staying in things where we're building resentment  and it's hurting us it's hurting them it's just we think we're doing the kind Thing by staying in  something that's not serving and it's not kind to anybody it's really not yeah yeah when we're not  living our best lives we are not showing up for others in the best way yeah yeah way I I like this  phrase being selfir is not selfish I like that yes there's a quote by um Glennon
Doyle that I like a  lot too about boundaries where it's boundar people can be nice and nice people can have boundaries  I love I love Glen oy and I love that quote I am going to start saying that more often yeah yeah  um okay we got off on a little tangent so I want to Circle back to the breath work and I want so  the circular breathing we'll link to ways that people can do circular breathing with you if  they're here in in Colorado yeah um but what's something that somebody could use you know
a quick  breath experience or tool when you're feeling the overwhelm when you need to regulate the nervous  system and or if they're trying to really do this reconnection to themselves to their body to  intuition what would you what would you recommend for us 100% yeah I've got you babe so um what  I love about breath is yeah you can do so many different things with it but it's so tied to  our Vegas nerve and our nervous system so we can actually bring our nervous system back into  alignment um
one of my favorite quick hits that I like to show folks is just box breathing and  it's called box breathing because you're going to breathe in the shape of a box if you will so  you pick the count that that works for you and I will be the first to admit when I first started  doing any kind of breath work I've always been a super rapid shallow breather entire life I went 40  probably 41 years it's been a long a long journey to learn how to expand that breath I'll be 43 in  January it's taken me
two years to to get better at this U but I was a very shallow breather so if  you told me to breathe for six counts I would have I would have breathed twice I just you would  have passed out I would have passed out yeah so you pick the count that works for you and  you're going to inhale for that count hold for that same count exhale for that count and then  hold for that count I like to suggest that folks start with a count of three or four a lot of times  that can feel attainable if you're lik
e at count two you're like start with count two that's  totally fine but you would inhale for three so inhale one 2 3 hold one 2 three exhale one 2  3 hold one two three and then go right back into that inhale and I would suggest um starting off  with just five minutes you know make it attainable I think that's the piece that I love teaching  my clients that I do any kind of coaching with is that you've got to start with attainable baby  steps that's how we build healthy habits that will be repe
atable is if you're gonna say I'm G do this  20 minutes three times a day prob probably not yeah yeah and also instead of saying I'm going to  do this for five minutes every day say I'm gonna do this five minutes this week then I'm G to do  five minutes twice next week and see if you can build it up to five minutes a day and then see if  you can do it for a little bit longer and so just just work with what frequency and duration works  for you and again and and you can even build up let's say yo
u started with two counts maybe in a  three to weeks to a month you're going to build up to three counts or four counts nowadays I can  do a sixc count breath pretty easily but it took time so you know again that that self-compassion  meeting yourself where you're at and um letting go of any of those expectations of if so you  know I think I've got even a YouTube video on box breathing and and I might suggest four counts  on that you do what works for your body where you are right now oh yeah we
'll definitely link to  your YouTube too because you got some some juicy stuff but so the the the goal be it that you want  to start to expand the breath because that helps to tone the vagus nerve or helps to calm the  system is that is that sort of the intention yeah so yeah what you're doing is um when we  expand the breath so we have this Vagas nerve for folks who may not be uh familiar with it  starts in our brain but it connects through our larynx and into our lungs and into our belly  so a
s you're breathing too I have a whole other YouTube video on diaphragmatic breathing uh when  we can do a full core breath we are stimulating the vegus nerve in two different points but it  really brings it out of fight or flight this is a great box breathing is incredible if you're  in that sympathetic fight ORF flight um state of being it also can work though if you're feeling  kind of um free in the freeze the Freez are fawn so if you're feeling just down disconnected this  can help too so ju
st having rhythmic breath in of itself tones at Vegas nerve we talk about  sympathetic nervous system and parasympathetic nervous system sympathetics that fight or flight  and parasympathetic has always been known as rest or digest we're now learning there's actually  three pieces there's the sympathetic which there's the figh or flight but then there's the um the oh  gosh I always switch these two but I will I'll be sure to like get this right for you for the notes  but yeah um I want to say it
's the dorsal branch of the Vegas nerve is actually our freeze and  that's where if we're feeling depressed we're feeling down we're feeling disconnected we're just  not wanting to re-engage with folks that's also not where we want to be we want our ventral branch  of our Vegas nerve to be activated and so toning that Vegas nerve brings us more um in Balance  rather than being so calm that we comos and it takes us out of that like really really franatic  energy and just balances out where you're
calm but alert yeah and we want to become skilled with  our bodies to go from the if this is our Baseline nervous system whenever we get activated one way  or the other to First be able to recognize we're activated and then bring ourselves back because  you know our bodies have these systems the fight ORF flight systems in order to protect us it's  the survival part of the bra brain so it's not like you're going to stop that from happening  but how skilled can you get at being like okay I'm fee
ling really anxious and panicking I  need to do some box breathing to bring that down because otherwise we get stuck on the stress  response is stuck on all the cortisol is pumping and our bodies aren't made to handle that type  of that type of response for a prolonged period no and I love the example of the gazelle running  from the lion so two things that the gazelle is different than us in in from us in in a fight  or flight so the gazelle first of all once it escapes the lion it shakes its b
ody and then it  completely forgets that it was just chased it was like this close to death five minutes ago and goes  about grazing again we replay our trauma over and over and over and over again yeah traumatizing  ourselves making that pathway even more robust yeah gazelle also the other way it's different  than us it doesn't stop mid fleeing to be like why am I escaping this lion right now I need to  figure this out before I can actually escape the lion right right so if you're in either one
of  those those activations you don't need to figure it out while you're activated so if you can use  box breathing or some other breathing component or some other somatic I think the the work you  do with EFT is beautiful too of of bringing that nervous system back to Baseline and once you feel  more centered then you can reflect on okay what activated me you can kind of do a retrospective  why was I so triggered in that moment how much of it was that moment and how much of it was like  little
childhood things that you know we we have picked up along the way then you can start getting  introspective with that yeah I share with clients when when we're activated when we're outside  of the our Baseline when we're in some sort of stress or trauma response our Reptilian Brain  is on and we have four options the fight flight freezer fwn so we're not in a place to we don't  have access literally to the parts of our brain to the rational part of our brain the lyic system  the emotional part
of our brain we don't we can't access those because the other part of our brain  is firing like [ __ ] the line is coming you need to do something okay yeah so if you are activated  and you're trying to problem solve or say you're trying to logistically figure out how you're  going to leave a relationship it's like you can't that you're not you don't you're not at  your full capacity in your mind unless you come into your nervous system more regulated state so  box breathing tapping going for a
walk in nature right whatever you're doing to help bring yourself  back down is vital to be able to then make sense of what's Happening take the next step heal the  inner child whatever needs to happen outside of those four options and I want to normalize that  you might tap and you might breathe you might do yoga you might do meditation you might feel it  go back to Baseline and then as soon as you're done it go back up or down that's okay I want to  normalize that right it might take doing it
over and over again I think one of your um one of your  podcast uh guests had mentioned uh that there was days when she left her relationship where she was  just crying all day yeah and it's it's I want to normalize that you've got to express the emotions  and and know that it's going to be all over the place when you're making a big decision or or  you know whatever that emotional trigger is we a lot of times that masculine energy once again  tells us to push through suck it up buck up you know
yeah don't do that don't do that yeah there's  also a difference in understanding a feeling and feeling a feeling so I know in my experience  for forever I was very detached from feeling things and I was like well but I understand that  this doesn't feel good I understand that this is not a healthy Dynamic anymore but I wasn't letting  myself feel the emotions around that that needed to process right I wasn't letting myself feel the  sadness or the Betrayal or the outright anger that I had spen
t years with this person under a false  illusion like it was like I knew those things but I didn't feel those things and when I would let  myself feel it I would be on the floor crying like ugly cry notnot just letting yourself go full  Primal almost in your expression and I'm sure people have had the experience of after a good cry  you're like oh I feel lighter I feel better it's like that's not just a psychological thing like  a woo thing that's like a literal you're moving denser energy out o
f your body body and it's so  important to in your healing to actually feel that and integrate it and move it and not just  stay up here with I understand these things yeah because that will only take you so far and then  you'll find yourself in another relationship doing the same thing because that like you haven't  actually shifted the the internal piece thank you for sharing that too because that reminds me  I've also experienced that where I'm just like can rationalize the feeling but I can'
t feel the  feeling yeah one of the reasons I think I'm drawn to the circular connective transformative breath  is we do it through our mouth and so you are actually intentionally activating your sympathetic  nervous system yeah in a way that'll allow stuck emotions to arise to the surface so if if folks  are kind of like cool cool yeah yeah I totally get what you're saying but how do I feel the feeling  right somatic therapies can be a tool to help get you there you have to feel safe yeah again
to the  point of the lion you know I don't have time to sit down and think about how I'm feeling and and  cry because the Lion's coming at me first I need to get away from the lion yeah and then and then  I need to bring myself back into safety and when we're safe then we're not in the hypervigilance  and we can turn inward and start being you know introspective inquisitive around what's happening  but if if we're never getting to that safe place then that work isn't going to work which is also
  why it's so important to find a practitioner that you feel safe with yes because if you have  a therapist or a coach that you don't really feel safe with or you find yourself performing for  or trying to take care of you know it's like you might be talking about your problems but you're  not you're not allowing yourself to really drop in to be witnessed in your pain and to be held in  that experience of crying about whatever for the first time and really letting that come through  or yelling f
or the first time about something that you you just need to get out of your body yeah  so if if you're listening and you're you have a practitioner that you don't feel like you can ugly  cry in front of you know that's it's something to be aware of as you're as you're shopping for for  um people to hold safe space I fully 100% agree yeah yeah oh my gosh I could talk to you forever  and for the sake of everybody's time um is there anything you want to leave people with that  we haven't touched on
in terms of anything but inspiring them to keep going if they're in some  part of this journey yeah I think you know um my brother brother and I just had this conversation  he was visiting me a couple months ago and he's also um you know we grew up in the same house  and he also went through a divorce in his 20s and I asked him do you ever regret you know that  marriage because it was a very Whirlwind chaotic marriage because we were talking about my my ex  as well and he said you know I though
t long and hard about this I don't regret any decision I've  ever made or any way that all of this has played out because now he is married with this beautiful  beautiful 2-year-old little girl that we adore so much he said all roads led me to this and I would  never trade this and I can Echo that when I think about my life and I know that I'm still on this  journey but man my life is so good right now so when I think about those times of I should have  left earlier I don't know how that would h
ave played out and so it how it needed to that I felt  ready and I didn't pressure myself to leave before I was ready and I wouldn't be I would be somewhere  I'm sure it would be amazing but I wouldn't be where I am right now and I wouldn't give that up  for the world and so it's okay if you are someone who just left a relationship and are in that  mode yeah I I've been there I see you but know that there is no matter where your journey takes  you there's always Beauty on the other side and ever
ything is unfolding as it should yeah there's  a lot of Blind Faith a lot of blind trust in the next chapter and I'm I'm smiling because of a  conversation that you and I had not too long ago where you were reminding me of all of these  different chapters in our life and you were like if you had the full scope of what your entire book  was going to be like and they showed you that you were going to have a real [ __ ] relationship for  four years you would have been like no thanks you know like w
e we are we take or we are given things  one thing at a time so that we can handle one thing at a time and trusting that like yeah that  chapter was [ __ ] up and it's led me to this this conversation with you having a podcast having  a business helping women heal from this type of [ __ ] like what I could never I could never have  anticipated or expected that in a million years if you would have told me before I met him that that  was the trajectory I would have been [Music] like I don't know i
f you watched the Barbie movie but  when she is off her you can stay out the shoe or it's like you can stay exactly as you are or go  to reality she's like the shoe I want to go back the way things were she's like let's try this  again yeah wrong answer wrong answer yeah yeah yeah yeah it's important to to remember and and  even proving that to yourself by looking at your life thus far like what has happened where you  thought you would never get through it and then you got through it and someth
ing beautiful came  on the other side of it it's like using your own past as the proof I know I do that often where  I'm like get into the mistrusting place with the universe or whatever and it's like okay but all  these other times it's actually worked out so let's just take a beat do some box breathing we  have 100% % well we have I'm sorry I said that wrong we have survived 100% of the things that  have happened to us if we're listening to this podcast right now yeah that doesn't mean that th
ey  all feel good or that it wasn't traumatizing and painful and all the things but but trusting in  the bigger picture trusting in the bigger Story the bigger you know reason for for why yeah it'll  make for a good book a good book it's gonna be a great great read New York's bestseller week yeah  I always like to end these with a card pull oh yes please I love that deck yes if you if I can have  you close your eyes I'm gonna have you help choose the card that is for the highest and best of all 
of those who are listening so just putting your intention in the deck and whenever you feel like  the shuffle is complete just tell me when to stop what do we get seethrough oh this just came up for  a client of mine yesterday I'm G to read it to you because I don't have these memorized and they  have very comical messages sometimes seethrough brings a message of transparency and Clarity it  reminds you to not get lost in the content others may want to spin you a tail but don't be fooled  cut t
hrough the drama and see well cut through the drama and the noise to see or hear what  is really going on what is beneath the surface of the skin seek to understand what is behind  the words or actions of another the underlying need don't trust the words alone see-through also  reminds you that transparency is a brilliant tool for living and relating authentically how are you  showing yourself to others are you clouding their ability to see you with too many words are your  words not aligned wit
h your actions where might you unveil the parts of yourself that would be  helpful for others to see you more clearly I love that yeah it aligns nicely with our or with  your vulnerability and authen authenticity in sharing some of these pieces that you haven't  said out loud before yeah you know align with your higher self be authentic and put yourself  out there I love it yeah where do you want to leave people in order to find you for breath work  or to connect get you so um I have a website A
my Jinx coaching.com I also can be found um at Amy  Jinx on YouTube and Amy Jinx on Instagram and the Jinx is j i NX um so yeah and if you're in the  Colorado area or even traveling through and want to come do either individual or group breath work  I do um hold those sessions and I do also do um virtual coaching um and I'm hoping to actually  be launching here very soon a breathing Circle that will be virtual and in person for folks  um to do other kinds of breathing modalities and just can hol
d a Sacred Circle for folks  love it love it yes if you are looking for a practitioner who can weave in the physical the the  nutrition the educ or the education the nutrition and the exercise piece of body awareness and body  shifting with more of the mind-based work and and the body based with breath work and the spiritual  based with your crazy intuitive skills we didn't even touch on that we'll have to do another  episode on connecting with your intuition um yeah I couldn't speak more highly
of you as a  woman as a practitioner as a space holder um your heart is just so big for the people that you work  with the people who are in your life like you are just such a gem you're such a gem you are such  a light in my life and I appreciate you and I'm grateful and honored to be on your podcast today  I I I'm always just applauding you and rooting you on and you're doing such beautiful work and  it's so beautiful to see as your friend and as a former client and as a colleague so I adore
you  yes yes well we I'll be sure to put all of the links to everything that you shared in the podcast  description so those of you who are listening be sure to check out um all that she has to offer  and if this was beneficial to you subscribe to the podcast share it with a friend this is how  we help spread the word and help people feel like they're less alone so until next time thank you  Amy so much I appreciate you I love you and I'll see you all next time love you remember that the  holida
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