Why Men & Women Are Moving AWAY From Each Other Ideologically

there's a lot to talk about here we have  a at least one more guest maybe two more coming they'll get here when they get here but  we are going to start this off by throwing the ball to our friend our very special guest today  Britney Simon go ahead that's me so you want my initial thoughts right please okay so I've been  thinking about this I went to Business Insider and read the original article where it came from  I tried to look up the research um the person who did the research the foundati

on seems like good  enough I guess what I found most interesting is I think that it reflects um something positive  about Society instead of negative which is that when you give people choice they don't always  choose the same thing and I think we should see this as a positive thing as an opportunity to  say if we are given Choice what would we actually choose for ourselves and it doesn't mean we  have to choose partnership or it doesn't mean men and women have to get along um for more than  mak

ing Society move forward which I don't think involves procreating I think it involves creating  a cohesive and peaceful existence for the people within that society which can or might or might  not include child birth right so I think it's actually a good thing that men and women are kind  of deviating but also it it sort of could indicate a negative only if people are upset about it so  if you're upset about it I think you need to do some self-reflection if you're not upset about  it then it so

unds like it's just a part of our evolutionary process right this is just where  we're at as a as a people okay well we'll see how it goes when we get there uh Fair Queen uh  no offense but we're going to skip you because Allison asked me to and Allison wants to go before  you so if at all possible we're going to let you go uh last in Cas give her time to get here so she  can have her thing uh so we're going to toss the ball to Rashad Rashad thoughts uh my thoughts are  that um currently I think

the Divide between young men and young women politically is coming from  a multitude of sources um I think that what's driving young men further and further to the right  in my opinion and I'm not sure if the data fully you know got into this but I think that one of the  biggest issues is improper communication toward young men from the left I think is giving people  like Andrew Tate and you know fresh and fit easy layups you know consistently easy layups and I  think that we need to be a littl

e bit more honest with young men about what um it's going to take  to even get into a relationship we can talk about you know Finding self fulfillment and all those  kinds of things but if you know these young guys are struggling to have proper you know platonic  and both romantic relationships then you know we need to have an honest conversation with them  about what it's going to take to get there and we will have that conversation perhaps tonight  we will see uh next up also a special friend

of the channel tuna chip go ahead hey um cool  really quick uh then because it kind of extends off of both Britney and Rashad it's maybe like  a intermediary between the two uh I think that this is sort of a positive development although um  it's like a positive spin on a negative so men and women are more politically inclined seemingly at  younger ages than they've ever been like young men and women there was a period of time where people  were political only you know once they hit their like l

ate 30s or 40s and before then they were  very very much so focused on their individual lives um The Divide seems to be primarily  aesthetic I don't think that men and women actually disagree as much as we think that we do  but the way the language we use the the way we organize what what virtues we are like expressing  inside of our politics is massively different and because those virtues are being reflected back to  us by the left and by the right we tend to Camp up but if we thought about th

ese as like individual  policy issues there would not be as much advice that's personally my belief but yeah we'll go  into that more later yeah I'm sure we will um unfortunately Allison is is running behind so  uh she's not going to get her wish and fairy queen will now grace us with her thoughts on the  issue um uh actually we uh me and Allison had a conversation like prior to coming onto this panel  and so I don't want to take too much away from like what Allison is going to talk about when s

he  does eventually arrive but it's essentially like the take that tuna gave and the take I which  I think is true I think that it is true that most of the differences that we see um between  men and women like with that specific chart from the financial times um is largely expressing an  aesthetic difference between um men and women and again if you look at actual policy decisions and  actual political preferences and um you'll see that there is less of a divide but one thing to  also note like

just in general like this you can find studies that date back like a couple of years  ago like it seems to historically be the trend that men women tend to drift more liberal anyway  and that men on broader Trends tend to drift to be more conservative so it's not the the fact that  like women tend to like tend to aesthetically choose to be more liberal and that men seem to be  self-reporting as being more conservative is not a surprise right that's something I think that  we we probably could h

ave expected probably even like 10 or 15 years ago so the question is like  why is there this large of an aesthetic divide um and tuna and Britney I I hear both of you saying  that you don't think it's necessarily a negative thing you think it's possibly a posit POS thing  I think that's something that I want to discuss I could be convinced to believe that that's true  but I'm not sure that that's true I think that like the aesthetic divide like seems to reflect  a cultural it seems to be the ex

pression of the culture war that we're currently in between men  and women which I'm not sure if that's an entirely positive trend okay well when Allison gets here  uh she'll get here uh she's texting me right now apparently um so hopefully she'll be here soon but  I I guess I W to uh start by pushing back a little on the it's just Aesthetics thing I'm not sure  that's true I understand that perhaps it's not as a a wide of a on policies specifically it may not  be a wide of a of of a divide as u

h is suggested by the labels but I think there are actively  right actively uh larger differences being driven because if you are in one of these camps  if even ath Al you identify as a liberal or as a leftist versus as a conservative or as a Trumper  or as whatever it's going to lead you to at least aesthetically support different types of policy  pushes because you want to stay in your tribe you want to conform with the majority of what they  say and so I think that there are substantive diffe

rences between the right and left at least in  America um and to to kind of suggest otherwise is a little I don't know I think think it it's it's  a little naive to to use maybe a word that perhaps but let's get Allison in and see what Allison has  to say Allison welcome hey Alison hi here wait let me am up hello Alison um I'm going to let you  give your opening and then we're going to get into it I just did a spiel about how I don't think  it's not um everyone else seems to think it's aesthetic

I don't think it's as aesthetic as as  you'd like to think but uh go ahead Allison give us your thoughts okay yeah so I have missed the  opening but the I'm guessing the arguments been made that like yeah they self idas liberal and  conservative at like pretty disperate rates but the policy uh positions they're actually closer  together is that what's been kind of alluded to yes okay yeah um I mean from what I understand  even a similar thing happens in the abortion issue where like I don't hav

e the data on hand but like  women are more likely to call themselves pro-life men are more likely to or vice versa men are more  more likely to call themselves pro-life women are more likely to call themselves pro-choice if  you get policy wonky though and ask like how many think abortion should always be banned never  be banned be banned at different points it's a lot closer together than these like binary labels  would have you believe um I do believe that's true uh but even even when you loo

k at like  the policy position polls men are still a bit more conservative and women still are a bit more  liberal and I do think that people are becoming more ideologically polarized in general so um  I think it's interesting to note that in some countries on it wasn't like the same Universal  thing was happening in some countries the men were actually turning rightwing like pretty quickly  like in Korea and Germany but in the US it was very in the Articles even notice this it's the  women movi

ng faster it's the women identifying as liberal like much quicker so different things are  happening in different countries but we're like there is at least an aesthetic divide nonetheless  at least like people are culturally identifying as different labels more because even if you think  the Divide is superficial it doesn't exist to the same degree amongst the older Generations  so that's still interesting what do we mean by superficial I'm not quite understanding that  argument that could be s

uperficial or well like just the idea that it's more of like a culture War  battle and that like these people actually want the government to do similar things they just feel  like they're more different than they are that's what I mean like mhm yeah I I so I'll push against  the word superficial although I still think that aesthetic is the is is the is the realm that it  exists on uh there's this there's this idea of um of splitting uh of splitting the ambiguity  or something I can't remember t

he term exactly but the the idea is that the more radical a view  get expressed uh a view is expressed as the more the people that are soft on an opposite view feel  like they need to match that level of intensity I'm not sure how many of these like big swings are  happening from like a a direct motivation nearly as much as like responding to Media responding  to the way that people talk I don't think that there are that many people who are like super  super pro uh abortion such that no matter w

hat is happening in their life they would stand in  front of a Planned Parenthood but if they see people radically arguing for or abortion Whenever  However free on the street in the back alley uh on the government's time they're going to then  Strike Back in the opposite that's what I mean when I say like it's an aesthetic disagreement  which is that the intensity is determined by the opposite the uh the camp that you choose feels  more like a concession or like oh you got to be with a gang you

got to be with your group um  but we don't necessarily all agree on the left or all agree on the on the right in that with  that level of extremity it's just like we feel like we have to be on one side or the other we  need to be seen we need to respond if that makes sense yeah so look you guys are saying it's  aesthetic but it in the very next breast you say oh but they're going into these camps  where we trying to pass massively different extremist legislation on either well no no no the  arg

ument is not that they have like actually super different legislative preferences but that they  have different cultural identification like if you pull them on policy preferences yes men are a bit  more conservative women are a bit more liberable liberal but they are a lot closer together than  just the raw CU like the Business Insider article and the Financial Times article at least the  US graph was based on self identification as liberal or conservative but there are polls  there's one going

around and I can try to find it and send it in the Discord but it they  ask people between 40 and 50 questions like it was much more in depth than just do you are you  liberal or conservative what's your demographic data and like the sexist were much closer together  so um I I don't deny that like the Sexes are like like culture War like men are more likely to  like be sympathetic to conservative culture War material and I think women are more likely to be  sympathetic to Liberal culture War ma

terial um and then there's overlap and variability and all that  but that's what I when I've said superficial or when I think aesthetic like I am not suggesting  that they have super dramatic like legislative preference differences it's more just like do we  think cultural Vibes it just like surface level like do we feel like this because I don't think  any of this is surface level I think all of this will eventually have some sort of manifestation  be it legislative or just like on a datto day

interaction or cultural level so are we saying  here that it's like like poof like it's kind of like a poof thing or we do we think that it's  going to lead to something no it'll probably lead to something we are talking about we are talking  about people with like desires for change that are being offered one of two possibilities and  I'm saying that the reason they go with one or the other very much so is not policy based like  the reason that you're standing in front of uh a building tends to

be pretty pretty like you know  religiously based in in the case of of abortion that's that's not one of the main policies  probably a bad analogy but if you were to then say something like God people who would uh talk about  border control a lot of people don't actually know what they want out of border control they just  know that they don't like what's being done right now so when they get offered two possibilities  they're not going to choose one based on like an informed perspective like t

his is what the data  says is going to reduce the amount of harm for IM uh immigrants or is going to be most economically  stable they're going to choose which one matches some of their other presuppositions this is  the conservative view so I'm going to go with the conservative view because I'm a conservative  these are the three conser conservative things I believe conservatives are more consistently  right so I like them more this is the liberal view I don't really consider myself you know  I

like gay people I like women's rights I'm going to go ahead and go with an O border policy  because of that I don't know how many people are genuinely single or like you know maybe like two  uh topic voters but I think that most most of us are I don't think everybody is like uh knows all  the all of their opinions on all different fields yeah I just also to kind of like again reiterate  that it's not this isn't the only data we have on on gender gaps right so to say this athetic I I  think is m

issing the point because when they go to The Ballot Box when they go to the voting machines  there is also a gender gap and it is pretty large right so they're not just saying I want these  different polic or I oh I identify as this camp or that camp and but our policies are relatively  the same when they go to actually vote they're a there's a discrepancy a pretty large discrepancy  between how men vote and how women vote at least in America I can't speak maybe people vote based  on culture War

issues maybe people are more socially motivated than we give them credit for  I'm not saying that it's inconsequential sure yeah aesthetic does not mean elusory inconsequential  meaningless it means that how what are why are we making the choices that we're making we're  making the choices that we're making because we are taking it by assumption that the people that  are right about some stuff are going to be right about the other things and because we identify  with them and their virtues that

they espouse hey I'm gonna let my uh very anxious dog out real  quick but I can hear yeah that's fine um you wanted to say something you're trying to get in I  was just gonna throw this out too like it's also the case that like just because like somebody like  I mean we've mentioned before like just because you're aesthetically aligned with a particular  like wing of politics it doesn't necessarily mean you vote that way and a classic example is the  abortion example for instance right there we

re many people many conservatives who identified  as pro-life but when it came when Ro Wade was actually overturned and they flocked to the voting  booths it turned out in many states that are red States who vote consistently conservative um they  actually supported like an upheld abortion in multiple States um and that includes like many  and that's true of many conservative women as well who would describe themselves and who often  will describe themselves as pro-life um but when it comes to a

ctually making a decision like on  the ballots as to whether or not they're going to support pro-life policies they um after roie  Wade was overturned they didn't do that so even if it's the case that you do find somebody who is  female who describes themselves as conservative again like that doesn't necessarily correlate  with a policy decision that they're going to make or with how they vote um I just we also have  to consider like um there definitely were abortion referendums that um went the

pro-choice way in red  states that definitely happened but I do Wonder like if you are if you identify as a conservative  woman but you disagree with your party on abortion and you don't have a referendum you just have a  two-party vote like there's no referendum up How likely is that self-identified conservative woman  who yeah disagrees with her party on abortion but like clearly not enough to like lose political  allegiance for the movement altogether like I have a hard time believing that s

he like switches  her vote but it's possibly true I have that's just based on intuition so I feel like no matter  who you are no matter what camp you fall into you believe you're voting in a way that will give  you more agency an option and I think ultimately that's why it comes down to like values whether  you are a one issue voter or not and it really comes down to that divide being a part of it  like incredibly social but also sort of like the expectation of how my vote will impact my life so

  I feel like people are and it's one way pressured by their bubble to vote a certain way because they  don't want to be the different person in the grou group and then in some ways that Nuance isn't even  allowed with our voting system technically like in a lot of ways people are ashamed to vote sort  of like more nuanced but I think ultimately like this this is all very social so when I saw this  graph I was just like oh what a social reflection of like how people end up projecting themselves 

go ahead please before before you go$ five from tessal Johnson Wick you once said white liberal  feminist policy comes at the expense of men and minorities thoughts from the panel never said it  total thank you for the sub ice really appreciate you uh go ahead tun um so yeah I mean just just to  take up Britney on that on that topic so we talk in public we vote in private and that's going to  make up for a substantial part of this difference um and I do think that all of the like political  act

ivism that's it's become normal on the left and the right has been through mediation it's not  through your workplace it's not through it's it's primarily through like what posts you do what  what things you say on social media um that's not substantive and it's also extremely social if  anything it's only social which is like the weird weird thing so what if the culture War turn  now I don't think that this is true because unfortunately what it comes down to is that who  ends up running for off

ice is empowered by those social platforms so it it becomes sub it becomes  substantial at the moment that they get elected in and they believe their constituency on what they  say um but like when does when does that become consequential does anybody does anybody think  that like so you share a picture of a aborted fetus and you say this is this is this is what  you're doing to fetuses is that actually like changing the world and changing opinions or is it  is it like a black Square on Instagra

m it's just reflecting a temporary forgettable political  signal like what's the line between actually political and something that is just participating  in the social participating in your bubble as you would say it usually just starts social and  then becomes political right I mean like if you look at like most like hyper red pill content it  starts off as like you know dating advice or you know here's what you do with women and blah blah  blah and then before you know what you're talking abo

ut you know conspiracy theories involving  the Jews the bilderbergs you know like before you know it you get into 9911 conspiracy theories  like it starts social it starts innocent and then before you know it you know Nick Fuentes is on  the panel talking crazy like it it starts off really social so I think that when we like look  at it as you know uh from like a surface level of like abortion or whatever it goes It goes deeper  than that like it starts off really really I guess shallow and then

it gets into like radically  insane political takes and I think it's really important for us to realize that this [ __ ] can  manifest in a legislative way it can manifest in voting and right now we're in the social stage  we haven't reached that point where young men are like wild and out in public or at the voting booth  but like it could get to that point I mean am I overreacting like don't think you are and here's  why right uh so first of all I've been trying people are saying I'm low can

you guys hear me  fine I turned you up um I I've turned you all down I've turned myself up I don't know what else to  do I'm getting closer to the actual mic I turned you up on my stream you're fine okay okay I just  want to make sure that I could be heard and and everything's good okay with that said um well I  also want to I also want to talk about why this is happening I I do want to get into that but I just  want to to kind of piggyback off what Rashad said here right like we are entering an

era of politics  that U is on the more extreme end compared to the 20 years ago right like uh when the Clinton  era the Obama era even the bush era uh you had substantive differences but today the more extreme  voices seem to be the loudest right they seem to be the most influential to the question of like at  what point does social kind of uh hanging with the crowd putting the black Square on Instagram or  showing a picture of an aborted fetus uh become influential I think it it always has som

e form of  influence depending on when it's done and where it's done and how it's done will influence the  context of it right like will actually influence the impact that it actually has but but I think  that the we the the idea right because this isn't happening in a vacuum there's also a lot more  uh pressure to date in your in group right so you don't have conservatives and and uh liberals  dating anymore to the same extent it still happens but more and more and more groups are pressuring  d

ate within your your in group right this is becoming more of a hard and fast rule a lot of  people are saying if you uh if you support Trump or you support Biden we're going to swipe left  on our whatever or whatever apps right um this is going to create right over a long period of  time if nothing else happens if this isn't checked a greater divide in the country than there is now  almost like a a two Americas and I think that that does not vode well for our ability to govern the  nation uh and

I don't think it vodes well for the world in general because this isn't a localized  America F uh um event right so I I don't know maybe we can uh discuss that but I'm also curious  what you would all say is the reason that it's now worse than ever like it's always been there  but why is the explosion now so much greater on on almost every graph that I saw there well okay  sorry I just want to say well growing up and I you look I haven't been in politics in quite a long  time in the sense that

I was before but I was raised in politics I was raised in watching every  single election that ever happened watching every history Doc that ever happened and when I was  growing up you didn't date the opposite political party like James carille was quite famous back  in my day because him and his wife have opposite political like opinions he was like the infamous  like they made it work so I'm curious about that perspective as well as far as I'm concerned it  feels like we're kind of going back

to sort of the bubble that I grew up in my whole life which  is like yeah you don't mix teams bro they don't work cuz it's values based like what are we going  to fight over dinner about who gets Civil Right tonight like I don't have time for that we got to  be on the same team so a part of me is a little like yeah we're just going back to the 9s a little  bit which is maybe good or bad I'm not sure it's definitely bad as a society as a whole but it's  probably better off for our small communit

ies as well uh I I think that most of the time when  women become like the front leaders of political action it's like a Redemptive position it usually  is like an exhaust valve like the in the United States at least I can't speak for for other places  but women's in in involvement in politics started with the Industrial Revolution child labor not  being a big thing women you know basically doing what they could to ban alcohol and try and uh make  it that you can't just have children work for li

ke five cents an hour so like women are like you pull  the lever same thing happens with the world wars making it so that women can work and then right  now I think that women have been seen as like men are disenfranchised they don't care about politics  they don't care about anything they just want to get on their Alpha grind set men are sad and and  and individualistic so that's that's why I think a lot of women are becoming like the big front  leaders or something um and then men see women ta

king positions and they become more political  because that's sort of like normalized and I think that that's where it's like starting is it just  like it's popular Notions of what the opposite sex is doing and who has to like Take the Wheel  um that's why I think it's happening right right now I I am interested in thinking so Britney you  said in the 9s do you think that that stopped for a little bit in the 2000s like I thought in the I  thought in the 90s that that would be the perfect individ

ualist era where people weren't political  they were just [ __ ] well I'm thinking more like because in 200 when when the bush Gore election  happened like that I distinctly remember being a child and I'm on VT VHS or you camcorder my dad's  like who you voting for I'm like 10 years old I'm like I'm voting for George Bush and my friend  who's a Democrat to this day we've been besties our whole life she goes I'm voting for El Gore  cuz that's what our parents were doing and so we were mimicking t

hem right but when we she and I  came up I was a conservative okay I voted McCain and Palin and then I voted Hillary and Barack  Obama for my next two elections and like she was the Democrat so we came together because my  life was changing when I realized I was becoming more liberal and Progressive and the politics  of the conservatives weren't giving me a voice right so I I do think there was a you're right A  A change at least in my area in California of the '90s having this like very suburb

Joy if you were  in the suburb at the time and then switching into this like very like we need to fight now we need  rights because I remember abortion being a very Hot Topic in California for minors and I remember  that was a huge divisive point in my political story so I'm trying to think of like what part of  the country was experiencing what and then what economic background was experiencing what at the  time right I mean I when I when I I had the same experience uh oddly not from my parents

though  at school at school one of our projects is we were supposed to make on construction paper with  big markers like uh what political candidate our family was voting for and we were like probably  five or six maybe uh maybe not even and um I I look back to that and I think it's a little weird  but that's because like I don't think that that means that we were more political strangely enough  I think that politics was seen as more innocent so like you could let a child participate paid in i

t  to normalize it to them kind of like hey uh what are you going to buy with your $10 at the grocery  store it was that level of like non-conflictual nowadays if you ask a child whether or not they  would vote for Trump uh you're asking a child like do you want to be punched in the face by a black  kid tomorrow do you want to be paned by the gay kid tomorrow it's it's like kids are a little bit  more like political in the capital P like they are [ __ ] each other up not the same question I mean

  I did grow up in a very yeah like you said it was like very innocent like even if your neighbors  had opposing sides you like still had a barbecue weekend with them you still like made it work you  you certainly weren't but then to be honest with you I think everyone in my life has become the  Democrats in my life hate [ __ ] Trump voters the Trump voters hate [ __ ] Democrats like they  do not want to get along and they're upset their kids are still getting along and I think that's  funny but

I you know I do think I see a difference like as well you're right when I think about it  that way yeah it's a little bit more physical what what was it during I mean MLK is the is  the closest like the Civil Rights Movement is the closest when like kids were beating the  [ __ ] out of each other in high school over political differences there's like namely in New  York City obviously I have a um maybe some people know this song or not but the the song guilty of  being white uh oril that song i

s made by uh made during that period because uh Ian Makai is a white  kid in the suburbs of New York City who is getting his ass kick for being white because he lives in  a neighborhood that's nothing but black people and the controversy is like stemmed down to him and  it's like a weird moment that you can't relate to during the 90s you can during the 80s you couldn't  during the 2000s it's getting a little bit closer now although it's not as extreme it's uh it's  like I if we're going back we'

re going back to like Reagan Era we're going back to like you know  the closest you can get is like Reagan youth type [ __ ] where it's like uh kids wearing the Trump  hat to school being inside of a group walking around that's that's that's weird that kind of  ideological positioning like CU I don't think in with young boys they are like does anybody did  anybody does anybody here have a kid do you know whether or not there are like is an active young  Republican chapter at your school right no

w well okay I I in the US like there are so many I see  so many narratives about oh my God the young men they're being right-wing radicalized all over  the place they're just drowning in right-wing radicalization and like I mean the altri happened  and like the alt light happened that was a real cultural phenomenon um but like by the Numbers  it does seem more women are being politically activated in the opposite direction this is not  as like you can say well that's not as costly of a thing lik

e and I'm like okay yeah that's true  but like on there was a graph there's not a single issue regardless of partisan preference that women  aren't more worried about like it's it's like uh who thinks what is a big threat to America and  literally whether it's a conservative priority or a liberal priority the women are thinking  it's a big threat to America like between 15 and 20 points more this was in either that  Business Insider or that Financial Times Artic I uh to to to piggyback out this

a little bit  just not to interject too much but I found that the reasoning in the article was interesting  at least a hypothesis they gave right um and I want to talk about it uh because thank you for  bringing that was just a one-word article sorry no no no no uh the reason that the article or one of  the possible reasons that they hypothesize in the article is because women have time to worry about  this men do not men are worried about themselves they are struggling in a way that women just

are  not and so women are able to worry about all these externalities they're able to worry about um  uh the starving kids in Africa in a way that men are just trying to trying to survive the next  day I want to know like do we agree with that do we think that's [ __ ] what do we think gang I  don't think that's true at all I don't think I don't think uh women are sitting around with more  time I think women just women socialize a lot more they socialize a lot better so they're probably  more li

kely to have a a friend of like eclectic backgrounds like they're probably more likely to  have a gay friend they're more likely to have a a maybe even a trans friend you know depending upon  how you know how many friends they have um when you have a a demographic of people that are making  so much more friends and interacting with so much more people they're probably bound to have a lot  more concern for what goes on in society than a demographic that's a lot more lonely probably  plays a lot m

ore video games probably doesn't have a lot of homeboy if you don't really have  a lot of friends you're probably not really as concerned about what goes on especially like for  me as a young black man like there's not too many issues in society legislatively that like I'm too  bent out of shape about so it is kind of easy for me to kind of just chill and not be too concerned  I think the problem I think what's driving men so far away from giving a [ __ ] about what goes  on in terms of like lib

eral politics and policy is the fact that like what is the left really like  saying to young men I think young men are seeing a lot of empathy going toward minority groups toward  women toward a lot of these different communities and young men are kind of sitting there like look  like we're not as educated we're a lot more broke we have a lot less friends we're struggling in  terms of dating like we don't feel like there's really much of a future ahead of us why would we  give a [ __ ] about wha

t's going on in society if we don't really think we have a future in this  Society so I think that's what's driving the the the Divide is young men feel disenfranchised  and the left is kind of like okay well just make sure you're not assaulting women just make sure  you're not making women uncomfortable and then go play I don't really see how that's pulling  men toward liberal ideology which is what we want couple of things that I just wanted to  spit out and I think that this is important to m

ention in regards to the article so the  article is specifically referencing like the political ideology of men and women from ages  18 to 29 and the reason like why that matters especially like when we're talking about voting  turnout is because women is because people like from ages 18 to 29 like vote at less they're  they're they just don't turn up to the voting booth as much as like people that are older right  so like according to PE research here it says like in 2022 36% of Voters were und

er the age of 50  compared to 40% of Voters in the age of 2018 right so the vast majority of people who are going  to the voting to the voting booth who are actually making the biggest swing on policy decisions are  mostly over the age of 50 at least according to like this recent study right so that would mean  that while it is certainly true and while it's certainly important to note like the political  differences between men and women in Generation Z it's also important to note that more than

  likely they're probably not going to be they're not that's not the population that's really going  to make the biggest impact on what actually winds up happening at the voting booth right yeah so  I think I mean because they're less likely to vote they're less likely to like to wind up at  the voting booth in the first what do you think they're going to do when they get older well what  we we're going to do when we get I mean I mean so like just on that note and this is something  like you wer

e mentioning before like I think it's important I mean we can certainly talk about  like the culture war and about how it's affecting men and women and how and the reasons like why  men and women might be different like politically right now but I'm looking at a chart right now  just historically and this goes all the way back to like 1964 women historic are more likely to be  registered to vote they are more likely to report voting and they are more likely to let's see um  they're more likely t

o report voting they're more likely to report that they are registered to vote  this goes way and this goes way historically back um like for instance though in 2022 you know  um the number was like 70% was 70% of women as opposed to 68.2% of men um in 2020 was 74% of  women as opposed to 71% of men and if you go all the way back but if you go all the way back to  1980 you can find that the number is 70% of women as opposed to 69.3% of men and if you go to 1992  the number was 73.7% of women as

opposed to 6 do I look like a woman all those numbers okay in one  ear out the other okay I don't know the point is that the point is is that like women historically  are more politically active anyway just generally speaking this is not isolated simply to like the  past 10 or 15 or 20 years it's historically seems to be the case that women are more politically  active that's that's a that's a that's an agency Gap though right it's it's it's that men feel like  they have more agency inside of th

e workplace we feel like we have more agency in our day-to-day  lives that's why it goes back like that was true in the back in the day for a really long time for  that like I think that the Under reporting like we are talking about politics as an extension of like  the household like that's how it's seen it's seen as part of the family the family is is doing the  voting as opposed to work doing the voting um men are more political in their language certainly  seemingly or they're more like like

ly to frame things in in a political language versus like  a lot of politics that women participate in on on the regular is considered like an extension of  Ethics or being a good person or like the the the language of politics in terms of electoral but I  don't think that the I don't think that the Gen Z is like less influential I think they might be  more influential because they're like the cultural producers they're going to be the ones creating  the narratives creating the media going forwa

rd they're going to be like the ones forming the way  that we talk about different policies going even if they don't vote on the things they're at least  going to create the the the conversations cuz they're the one writing articles getting new  creative jobs like does that me do you think that that that that's less influence or just to  the people that were saying that gen Z has less influence or uh that seemed like it was like a div  a division saying that like it has no influence or that it's

not of any importance but what I'm  saying is it's of significantly less import in comparison to other Generations because you're  right like it might be true that like Generation Z does have a huge cultural impact right but  you mentioned for instance they're more likely to be writing articles they're more likely to be  like who is hiring Generation Z okay who owns the companies who is your boss okay it's probably not  going to be a 29y old Zoomer right it's probably going to be a 65y old Boom

er who owns the company  and has like run it for years okay that's who winds up like so even if it's nominally true yes  you might be the person that like is entering the workforce right but the people who actually owns  the jobs the people who will hire you the people who have money to support you the people who can  bolster your career those people are not within this age demographic and I'm and I understand  those people also aren't the ones you're having a beer with they're not the ones you'

re hanging  out with they're not the ones you're trying to date they're not the ones you're uh uh that are  in your social group at all right so again like I understand what you're saying about how more leg  atively and things uh they uh the young people just don't have the impact that the old people  do get it got it good but I think that um when it comes to influencing the day-to-day and what  we're talking about and even yes influencing What legislation even gets put on the table right I  thi

nk that like things like social media things like uh the the black squares on Twitter and all  that [ __ ] right do actually drive at least some of this kind of thing in a way that I think that  just looking at the voting stats doesn't capture my opinion yeah I don't I'm not even saying that  it's merely about like voting policies and like it is about that but it's also about who owns  the business that you are applying to be hired at right it's also about like who is the person  that's going to

admit you into the University where you're going to meet those friends who  is the person that's going to be teaching you who are we're then we're then we're flipping then  we're flipping the we're flipping the switch then towards men having more control cuz the majority  of the people that are going to be employing you are going to be men then is it in the business it  is in is it in the voter or is it in the social construction like depending on which like we're  talking about different demog

raphics with all three of those okay are we talking about the  why here because like I have okay so point I just want to say like women make a 24-hour day  into a 36 hour day because we're civil Ser we're servants okay we're civil servants second of all  I was watching Aiden Ross today on Bradley Martin because I like to stay in touch with the boy  bubble and I was watching Aiden and he was like Trump's gonna win bro Trump's gonna win I don't  know one person who wants Biden and I was like oh lo

ok at him expressing a view that he tells me  who's around him right and he wants to get men to like get up and be a part of their life and hustle  and be Alpha and go to the gym and I did leg day today so I feel you Aiden but Taylor Swift is  actually getting women to register to vote Taylor Swift is actually influencing the polls so I am  curious to see if Aiden can really rally those men because I'm not going to lie I'd love to see  it happen just for shits and giggles but I think Taylor is g

oing to beat him and I do and I think  they're going to vote liberal so it's interesting to see how a culture is being influenced and how  these influencers want to be taken seriously to some extent which I think they should be if they  want to be but yeah I thought that was really interesting that I saw that this morning and I  think that plays a huge role hold up hold up hold up so I I see the Super Chat I'll get to it in a  second but um so are we saying that that Taylor Swift is going to be

influencing the vote in a  in a serious way here is that okay no there were there were crazy numbers actually it kind of makes  me a little and I'm I'm Pro Taylor Swift okay I love to see a woman just print money and like roll  around in it okay so I'm like Pro Taylor Swift but to me it is a little bit sad I'm like damn people  really do just [ __ ] worship these celebrities they really will care about politics when they  didn't before because the celebrity told them to it's crazy it was like 18

% of respondents said  that they were like rendered more likely which this was a headline who [ __ ] knows it could have  been a [ __ ] poll okay but like it was probably like rage bait like the study was made for this  [ __ ] article to be written like all these people are [ __ ] they're going to go out and vote just  cuz Taylor Swift told them to is that different than our parents I'm sorry again I grew up with  like celebrities radio hosts I've been on all the radio host shows I've met Sean H

annity I've done  that [ __ ] wait there's a difference between I mean I agree that like political pundits can  be like crazy Echo Chambers but like there is a difference between a political radio host and a  person who is like musically talented just giving you their politically op political opinions and  it's like you know you just like their music and so you're like they're probably good at politics  too like versus like or people who like shut up and dribble you know how people always write

these  books like shut up and like don't play sports like when basketball stars were like talking about  their political sides or like she like shut up dribble ball and I'm like okay isn't that just  what's happening now with celebrities areen they just I mean you I was just gonna say I'm Pro  Taylor Swift talking about her politics right like that doesn't bother me at all I wish the  general population would be less like celebrity obsessed but that's kind of a shallow criticism  so it's like it

's applied to people forever regardless of political affiliation so like I  I do want to pass the ball to uh uh Rashad here but before I do let's get the super chats $5 from  emis fou to say between married men and women and unmarried men and women the only demographic that  votes more Democrat than Republican is unmarried women interesting uh $5 from tesle Johnson to  say hiring women is a bad idea because they'll get prar and leave for a year women in fact  work less than men thank thank you f

or the $5 I actually want to build off that one I want  to build off that one we haven't addressed one the most most important parts on this when we're  talking about the demogra graphics of of voting and and acting the girl boss identity and also  the increasingly gay Workforce of of tech jobs we are we are we are getting to a position where  the norm and like the social Norm we're trying to get closer to is not reproductive and that's  to totally not scaring me but the rightwing is obsessed wi

th the idea that they will the left  we're going to get to we're that's going to take us into Direction you're gonna skip over the  breeder question okay whatever F we we might I'll put a pin out we might get back to it but  I think this I want to discuss the actual topic before we get into um malusia or whatever the  [ __ ] it is right like the anti natalism um I want to pass the ball to Rashad see what he had  to say and then I have a question to maybe maybe steer this in a direction instead o

f I feel like  we're hitting like all over right and I want to kind of just Center this a little bit but anyway  go ahead Rashad I could be wrong about this and someone like feel free to correct me if I'm wrong  I don't want to like discount like the numbers and the statistics that fery brought up and anything  like that but we do have to keep in mind that gen Z is dealing with a political landscape that I  don't think many other Generations can completely relate to like we've had more intense s

ituations  like uh the Civil Rights moving and things like that but we do have a much more kind of insane  space where people are spending a lot of time much more time indoors men and women people  are consuming content that is 100% tailored to their biases on a consistent basis people  are becoming more and more angry and angry at one another at least online um this stuff will  spill over eventually and gen Z is not going to just disappear when they turn 30 they're going to  be the next I guess

Boomers they're going to be older they're going to be even more politically  engaged than they are before and I think that um I think we have to talk about think this divide  in terms of why men are becoming so much more like like like Britney brought up like you know  Aiden Ross talk about Trump like what the hell does Aiden Ross know in specifics about Trump's  policy and what he could do for for America not much but all these little kids like that are that  love Aiden Ross that love sneo tha

t love Brad that love all these guys they're absorbing this [ __ ]  100% it's not just like going over their heads and these kids are eventually as time goes on and  people become even more radical and we got the election coming up people are young people are  becoming more invested mentally and this will affect at some point legislation as gen Z gets  older so I think that what we could do as the left and I I I know I'm like culture Waring the  [ __ ] out of my arguments consistently but I do t

hink part of why young men are being dragged  toward the right like has nothing to do with abortion generally speaking I could be wrong but  I do think it has to do with conversations with men I don't think men are that bent out of shape  about abortion I could be statistically wrong but I do think we're missing the mark on really  cutting into where you know people like a Andrew Tate who connect to young men through Aiden Ross  trying to break that connection between the young people really rea

lly young people and people  like Andrew Tate getting to them through Aiden Ross I mean are we are we going to ask the are  we are we asking whether or not the like Aiden doesn't know policy that's that's fine probably  I I I I might not be giving him credit but I'm assuming from the way that he you know he at least  his character at least his character listen to him he doesn't he doesn't okay he knows Trump is  funny and he pisses people off literally him and Bradley were like Trump is so funny

he pisses  everyone off and I'm like and that's I love him for that yeah and you know we've been we've been  seeing a lot of people doing the same thing with the Biden thing we're all like dark Brandon  is absolutely the same kind of joke trying to reflect it back and I don't I don't know how  much Taylor knows about Joe Biden frankly or at least how much he knows about Trump and how much  he's like anti-trump or something um I don't know whether or not that is and this is just going back  to t

he aesthetic realm we are talking about like The Echoes of the Kanye Taylor Swift debacle we  are talking about like at some point Kanye came in he interrupted a woman it made everybody  mad now she's back for Revenge the women are going to get the Democratic party you know we are  talking about like uh this is this has been going on for several years it wasn't political at the  time didn't even look political at all it mostly looked like just like a rude dude and a woman who  who thought she wa

s hot [ __ ] and he put her in her place like but that that's how everybody's  thinking about it everybody's thinking about like I'm let you finish I'm going let you finish  but uh I I just wanted to say right that um uh Wick is the best channel of all the time and she  probably subscribe to him but no in in a very serious way like uh so just to circumvent your uh  your your monologue here uh tuna I am curious um are you saying that the Kanye Taylor snatched  the mic from him event uh was the wa

s one of the focal points for the divide that we're seeing  ideologically between men and women today is this I'm saying that it probably had more influence on  this moment then we're giving credence because we do think of just like Republican and men and all  of that men are taking up too much space they need to close their legs and then on the other hand  it's like women think they're hot [ __ ] and like they're so creative like I think that's what most  people are thinking about when they're

actually voting at The Ballot Box I think that's what the  Zoomers give a [ __ ] about way more okay are they one are they ever going to get there before  they're 30 and and what does this mean to prepare them to get ready for when they're ready to vote  at 30 cuz like even me in my demographic like lots of my friends don't vote I tend to vote I want my  sticker I'm like very Petty you know just give him my sticker but also like certain things are more  important to me than others so I feel like

I'm as a sister of seven younger siblings as I watch  My Littlest brothers who are big Andrew Tay fans and they love Aiden that's why I stay in tune with  the boy bubble so I know what they're doing they always tell me they're like well like they don't  want they don't feel like they are being heard but more than that there's no one they can look up to  and the people they can look up to who are badass and awesome and have muscles are definitely not  on the Democrat side sorry but I have an ans

wer to that like but that's not just because of like  um the Democrats that's also because if you notice like over the years like CH Church attendance  and attendance in the pews is down you'll also notice that like the number of people that are  like uh that are registering their children to go attend Boy Scouts is down um people are less  likely to enroll their kids in community centered things where you would typically have that type  of leadership is down like typically speaking it we used l

ike I know like for my brothers I'm  sure like some of maybe some of you have had this experience the men on the panel um many of  some of you may have like um have had that type of leadership in like the activities in sports  in Boy Scouts in the church in your CH church youth group today you're many um many people that  grew up in like in generation C are less likely to have had that type of leadership and to have had  those and are less likely to have had those types of experiences because th

ere's less attendance  to the pews so I don't agree that it's because feminism and it's because of Andrew Tater all  these things I think that it pro that I think that it's because of a wider cultural thing that's  um a lot more complicated and a lot more nuanced than that but con snatched the mic from him  okay that has to be it n bro that take was the funniest [ __ ] I've heard in a hot [ __ ] minute  don't ever don't ever abandon that take keep that [ __ ] for life that [ __ ] [ __ ] almost [

 __ ]  killed me but it's not a I don't think that's that crazy it take I do think and whatever you  whatever however you came to that conclusion at some point share that [ __ ] with everybody else  cuz bro but what I'm saying is I think that it's true that yeah the lack of male role models  in society I don't think like that has a lot of economic things as well like you know parents  not really having as much time to like put kids in different programs and things like that it's  one of those th

ings where like we've arrived we are where we are young men have increasingly more  single you know parent households which are mostly you know dominated uh young men don't have a lot  of after school programs they're taking part in we are where we are now the question is how do we  acknowledge and combat the cultural win like how do we how do we how do we alter where young men  are being pushed in this absence of male figures because I can relate to not having a male figure  and I had to learn

how to get my [ __ ] together often times from the [ __ ] internet which is  crazy but that's the at the point where we are right now two uh two things before I let Allison  go because I know Allison wants to get in here um two super chats emis file for $10 uh has a panel  already defaulted to men being at fault for not having the same view as women when every metric  and has that's it guys sorry you can finish that but I've already said it the right wing or the  left wing is not losing men they

're just gaining women they're gaining women at a crazy rate it's  not like the right wing is taking all the men away the left wing is just not getting them like  they are snatching up women left and right that's what's happening what those gra grabbing all the  women um $2 from tessal Johnson the real issue is collectivism discuss please thank you for $2 thank  you for the $10 um snatching women left and right the left uh let's talk about it um do you think  that there is an active effort by pe

ople on the left to court women that just doesn't exist on  the right or is that the argument oh think it's hard to court women as a conservative right  because like what are they offering me what's the deal what do I get if join no free no free  no freedom for your body I mean that's no one's going to take that I don't see women taking that  deal but we look at the graph like 25% of young men identify as liberal and like 45 up up to like  43 are um liberal amongst women I think young men are be

coming less and less empathetic toward  liberal ideology looking at the stats myself I mean I could be wrong but I don't think the left  is like keeping men and then grabbing more women I think I do think the left is kind of young men  Am I Wrong well I think the right you go before you go before you go before you go I'll let you  go $2 from Aris F read the entire super chat yes I will I'm sorry I didn't mean to sorry sorry  arus foul okay I'll just start from the top has the panel already defau

lted to men being at Vault  for not having the same view as women when every metric and puple has shown the left running to the  extreme and the Right Moving only slightly okay there you go fairy quein hit it try to agree with  what Allison was saying earlier and I do agree I don't think I think that men are less likely  to young men I think are less likely to show up at the polls period and I'm not and I base that  based off of the statistical fact that like men are less likely to vote and are

less likely to be  registered to vote in general as opposed to women anyway so I would expect that that Pro that that  Trend probably and that's not a new trend that's something that has consistently been true for  decades so I would expect that to be true anyway like between like iny as it is but consider  what's happened over the past like 14 years the generation that the Zoomers grew up in we grew  up in a generation um we grew up in a generational time with the me tooo Movement we saw our fi

rst  female vice president our first female Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi um we had our first um  female political candidate who was the nominee for a national political party Hillary Clinton um we  saw the we witnessed the overturning of Ro v Wade these are massive cultural these are massive  cultural moments that happen in the lifetime of women who were Zoomers and not only that these  are massively political movements and so it would make sense that if you are someone if you're a  woman a

nd if you are a part of Generation Z why you would feel more politically motivated why you  would feel more votiv motivated to show up to the polls and to care more about politics because  of the fact that all of these different events that have happened everything that that you can  reference in terms of men those are like seismic cultural differences but I can't can you point  to me like a policy decision or somebody being voted or something specific because most of the  time when I hear peopl

e talking about the issues that men are facing they usually talk about the  fact that men are less likely to go to college they're less likely to graduate from college they  mention that for instance right or they mention the fact that it's harder for women for men to  find a dating partner that they're more likely to they're the less like like they're less likely  to have sex and they're less likely to have had a part and they're more likely to have had a partner  at a later age right but they'

re talk those are interpersonal problems those are problems that  have to do with what you interpersonally choose with your education and with your and your sexual  lifestyle but they're not things that have to do with I can't legally get an abortion I can't  legally get the health care that I want or I don't see myself represented in political office  so therefore I'm going to go to the voting booth so that I can vote for this so that I can have  this in the in the state in which I live like is

there anything like that that's happened for men  specifically because all of these other things that you're talking about you can mention them and  you can say that they're they are like aspects of culture that affect men but what I'm not sure  is what's the policy decision or the political figure that you think is that you're gonna vote  for that's going to change that right like what is that going to be like what is the move for  that I kind say one thing go ahead then tunon then tun so I ca

n try to find it but there was  a paper published in some European psychology Journal okay and they were exclusively polling  European men and um young men European young men and they were trying to determine um like  the difference in uh sexual relations like uh opinions about the sex class sex classes and they  noted that like it's actually really interesting because they actually have more egalitarian  policy preferences um they actually are more likely to be pro-choice than like previous  me

n they are more likely to have like fine or neutral opinions about women in the workforce  they are actually like metrically egalitarian but they have more sexual resentment nonetheless  so they had like um there were specifically sentiments that like just basically expressed uh  grievance with one's current state in life and like uh along with an implication that like the  status of the other sex class or like the rising status of the other sex class could be causally  related to like your own

distress and they said identification with that type of sentiment is way  up but that to give these men some credit it's not like they are like literally like becoming more  like politically sexist right yeah well I guess what I'm ask I I'll put it this way okay why  is voting for Donald Trump going to help you with your sex life that's really what I'm asking  right why is voting for Donald Trump going to help you culture is Downstream of politics and putting  him yeah they would say that it wou

ld have like Downstream cultural benefits for masculine men  is probably what they would say well okay you can say that's ridiculous but that's they would  just say culture from politics but the reason in there well but the reason like why I asked that  question right like if you are a woman right I am going to vote for this politician so that I can  still get an abortion so that I can still have access to contraception so that I can have access  to benefits to help me if I'm a single parent wit

h at home with my child that's the reason why  I go to the voting booth right I'm not voting politically on behalf of my sex just because of a  downstream cultural effect as th right I'm voting because there are very specific material benefits  that I need where if I don't show up to the voting booth and vote for this policy then I get screwed  right that's why I go that's a big reason like why I think women are more have historically been  more politically active it's because they rely upon res

ources that are given by the government  to a greater degree in comparison to men I mean I can I I don't I don't buy this idea that most of  the men voting for Trump are doing it because they wish their dick was wetter I think most of the uh  the male uh incentives with Trump are immigration policy fewer people coming in so that means less  uh less competition with people that are willing to take really really low pay and push them out of  economic opportunities they want I think economic restru

cturing away from educated and specialized  labor towards manual labor is a huge huge thing so when we talk about his his motion for coal  his support of fracking him not being just an EPA shill that's the kind of thing that men like  uh men definitely appre appreciate the fact that Trump is not sort of like at the social whims of  the media whether or not you like that or don't like that that is the type of thing that people  respect they like the idea of like a strong leader someone that doesn

't seem to just be a pushover to  whatever popular Notions are out there um I think that that's the reason that men have liked Trump  more than women by and large and obviously women like the Democratic party for all of the policies  policy reasons that you've already outlined go ahead and then I want to ask bar um I want to  ask so I don't want to underestimate like service level politics like you ask you know like what  is voting for Donald Trump going to do for young men's loneliness or whate

ver the case might be I  I think on some level you might be underestimating like service level perceptions of like culture  war and how that can affect legislation or like well just voting even if the problems aren't  necessarily real in men's lives the simple like the the cultural like Echo chamber we're seeing  right now in politics could in the long long-term affect voting and could derail the serious  problems that women vote for when they go to the voting booth and they they pick Democrat b

ecause  of literal real reasons like you mentioned I don't want to underestimate how this kind of culture War  phenomenon can affect young men on a surface level and influence their voting long term I don't know  if maybe um yeah I get what you're saying I just want to I just want to piggyback off that before  we toss the faqu and then we welcome uh Sigma femoid here La has uh graced us with her presence  and we'll get into what the whole thing um but before that before that I I just wanted to k

ind  of push back on that there's no substantive issues that really affect men today that they're actually  voting for I think a big one again whether this is actually true or not whether this will actually  like uh fix the problem for them or not is beside the point they think they will Immigration is  a huge one right men especially young men are looking at their work prospects they're looking at  their prospects for housing they're looking at the rising cost of healthcare rising cost of housi

ng  uh they feel it's harder and harder to to get enough money to make ends me and then they look at  all the people coming across the border and they say wait these people are going to take right uh  this opportunity from me right I'm going to have to compete with them as well and it's going to  make it harder for me now I think they're mistaken but this is how they feel right this is what they  think this is what they feel and that's a burden unique to like low skill workers right they say  yo

u know educated people you don't have to worry about migrants taking your jobs they can't  do it they can't take the BL vac look at look at how many young men are not educated anymore  right like this this is also piggybacking off of that so they are looking at their their dwindling  prospects uh education wise right Administration wise they're looking at their dwindling prospects  um with housing and healthare and jobs because of immigration that's the boogeyman that they blame  and they are li

ke well who's going to fix this and they think again because rhetoric from Trump and  his side is much stronger on this uh they think that Trump's the answer uh I think they're wrong  but that that that's the substa of issue uh but I want want to let fairy queen respond I see you  tuna and then we're going to get uh lav in here and then we'll go to you you can toss it tuna  I'd like to hear what he has has to say every every low SK every low skill which I don't like  that term low barrier to ent

ry is probably more accurate every low barrier to entry uh like  job that is not available is another person that does have to pay rent does have to like eat  food so like it doesn't even just affect them it it affects the tax burden of the entire state  so if we just shove in a bunch of people that don't have language or skills that are going to  have a good fit inside of the economy that's also the main thing that people care with Trump about  like we don't we already have a bunch of unskilled

men that don't have jobs already that are born  here like people don't want I I prefer the term streamers tuna chip okay you don't have to use  those other terms Hey listen man if if if if you can turn a webcam on you're probably a little bit  smarter than some of the people I'm talking about so I agree with like what you said tuna I do think  that that's the reason like why men typically vote like more conservative more conservatively in  comparison to women but again and this is like goes bac

k to like what I was stating earlier that  goes back to that that doesn't sound to me like merely a matter of a cultural aesthete right  that sounds to me like very much rooted in the economic material conditions that men and women  face and like specifically like how they differ between men and women and it sounds like that  seems to be like impacting like their devoting decisions in like in a way that might be more  profound as opposed to merely as to as opposed to merely cultural influence fi

ve doll from emis F  and then we'll pass it to lav uh I don't know why women think men prioritize their sex life as much  as they do men may actually vote for things that extend past self-gratification that's not what  I was I always I thought fairy queen was talking about a very specific type of man when she said  that like the dejected internet mail that's like the topic of so many conversations on twitch.com  right like I don't think she was talking about the average Trump voter like of cours

e there are  plenty of policy prescriptions on the rightwing that have nothing to do with sex drive I think  that she was kind of isolating it to I could be wrong very clear I don't want to misrepresent you  but that's exactly what you that's exactly right and I and I'm really glad that you said that  Allison because like earlier Rashad when you were talking specifically about the population of  men that really needed to be dragged over to the left right that seems to be isolated right like  typ

ically speaking when we talk about like what that population of men care about I hear this  all the time like we talk about incels we talk about male loneliness um we talk about um lack  of male role models right like this like what you're telling me right now regarding like lack  of economic Prosperity lack of access to jobs right concerns about immigration that's very real  but that's never something that's brought up in relation to this population of men right and so  and I hate to say it but

if you're somebody that like is able to exist like in your basement right  and you don't really go outside and you're kind of lonely and you don't really talk to a whole lot  of people you're probably not you're probably not you're probably somebody that lives like a middle  class to a lower middle class existence right you're probably not going to be the population  of people that's really concerned about somebody coming in and taking like your low-skilled or like  your bluecollar job away fro

m you you're probably somebody that has access to a computer right that  probably has like a lower that is able to spend lots of time on the internet like this you're  probably somebody and that person I'm sorry that person is probably statistically less likely to  be concerned about some of the economic material conditions that tuna was mentioning earlier which  I agree exist and I think is a big reason like why men tend to vote more conservatively but  I don't know like how influential that is

for this population thank you Allison that was a it is  still I'm going to reiterate it affects everybody a welfare state that is being paid for by it so  like it does affect them they are they they areed on that L it's not it's not direct I agree with  that point they are not but that is what that is what they are being appealed to on they're being  appealed to but there's a 19-year-old Zoomer that's like afraid about getting a girlfriend and  feels like he's like going into like the edges of

the manosphere is he really thinking about that is  he thinking about the tax burden on the state is he thinking about is that is he thinking about the  impact on welfare I don't think that he is me they could still vote even if they don't think about  those things they could still impact decisions made in this country with just blind just pure  culture War voting I I think that's a a real threat like a real possibility I could be wrong  and I'm open to being corrected but I do think we're kind

of understating how much the [ __ ]  insane conversations we're having on the internet can make someone vote for some [ __ ] that in the  in real life doesn't even benefit them and I the point of but the point is the point is like even  if that's true like even okay even if let's look at let's think about like a woman who is the same  age who is also like in the basement and doesn't do a whole lot of stuff right she is more likely  to wind up at the voting wind up at the voting booth simply beca

use of the fact that even if she  doesn't care she doesn't care necessarily about the welfare or about like the state of welfare or  the tax burden but she probably does care if she's able to get an abortion and she probably does  care if she's able to have access to contraception which means that even if like she has roughly the  same class status as this other example of man she probably cares is probably way more likely  to wind up at the voting booth and again as I stated before the stats be

ar that out women are  more likely to vote they are more likely to be registered to vote in comparison to men okay laugh  take it away what are your thoughts here hi sorry I haven't even been listening so I'm sorry if I'm  being uh whatever I just got done [ __ ] my [ __ ] brains out so now I'm here and we're queer um I  think that this is almost directly correlated to evolutionary psychology uh I think that there's  a basis in the way that women vote and the way that men vote and I think especi

ally right now  there's a degree of social contagion happening in female communities especially voting like very  left um again like uh this gentleman said Rashad crenchaw um where women are voting for things  that don't even necessarily benefit them just because they heard their favorite influencer say  it just because it's what's popular right now just because you get social currency for voting that  way or for speaking up about something that way um but yeah we've seen this all throughout his

tory  you know women are more empathetic they're more compassionate they're going to vote that way uh  and you know liberal progressivism uh you know democracy is the more empathetic political party  it just is conservatism is the opposite it's more logical it's less uh compassionate it's um you  know that's it these are almost male and female parties uh and so it makes sense that it that this  is becoming true can I ask uh because you you you mentioned there that women are voting for things  th

at don't necessarily benefit them can you give us a couple examples uh yeah like I'd say for  example uh you know I think a huge one is going to be especially in the next election um a lot  of like trans bills obviously like a lot of uh uh potentially like lowering the age of consent  for uh hormones which obviously does not benefit women because we know that female teenagers  are especially autistic female uh teenagers are way more uh likely to uh fall victim to social  contagion and obviously

you know Tumblr and Tick Tock and all these things are entering the minds  of of our young teenage girls um or even sex work like even uh uh legalizing or decriminalizing sex  work uh is a big one as well um or even like the birth control pill for example like I think the  birth control pill was supposed to uh you know or even abortion abortion was supposed to and  the birth control pill were both supposed to help women uh control their reproductive capacity  so that they can work they could go

to work like men they could show up like men they could suspend  their fertility so they could work without falling pregnant um and yet the abor rate has only gone  up since the birth control bill so it's just you know women it's just one of those things just  one of those things I mean the argument for the abortion going up after the birth control pill  is that everybody embraced casual sex more and so there are more accidental pregnancies because  the birth control pill is really easy to [ __ 

] up like one antibiotic and like you can get pregnant  like you miss like of course but it's also the cultural shift because when fertility became a  choice then fatherhood became a choice so it's a Cal conversation as well but still that was  consequential to women voting um in a way that we didn't even see I mean there's nobody could  have guessed that that was the way that things would pan out but they did any responses to this  nobody guessed that if you gave people an option to utilize a t

ool they would use it no nobody  would have guessed that something to suspend fertility would mean infinitely more abortion and  unplaned pregnancy I bu that but all the same You by that that's why it was created oh okay uh let's  say that you give women more money to spend that also means that women are like bu but you're no no  no I'm saying this is an economic principle people already know about if you give people jobs they're  going to get credit cards they're going to go into debt like that

's that's a normal behavior it's not  that strange sure we thought that there would be more casual sex we didn't think that there would  be more babies that's the the medicine is is so that babies didn't happen there's more abortions  there's more babies because there's more sex it's it's it's it's a pretty sure but but now everyone  is on birth control so no we did not think that there was going to be more babies I mean at first  they only let married couples get birth control for this reason b

ecause they wanted to make sure  that like it was actually people controlling their reproduction and rather than people who like  weren't otherwise having sex having sex they said well these are married people they're going  to be having sex either way you might as well let them be able to like control their fertility  um and there was one Supreme Court case that said States You Can't Ban it for marital couples  and then there was another Supreme Court case a couple years later that said no you

can't ban it  for any couples you can't draw it's violates equal protection to have an arbitrary boundary between  married and unmarried but they did predict this they said we don't want to just encourage casual  sex amongst the masses some people surely did I don't think when you but when you just on a on a  base level when you give something to someone to suppress something you don't think that it's  not going to do that and then it's going to make it worse the education to know how to use  it

I don't take the birth control pill because I'm not going to remember to take it I have the  rodad right like I played in my strengths not to get pregnant most people don't even know like  you have to take it every day at the same time you got to be consistent most people aren't even  thinking about these things and so I think like education plays so heavily into these options  that were given and also education plays into how people will end up voting because I do think  most people aren't vot

ing on policy I've seen it my whole life growing up if you ask anybody about  what they think about anything it's always about the social issues because social is King and so  how you feel socially is how you end up voting and you vote for the politi I think when you ask  women that's true I think when you ask men that's true I don't so for men I think it's more true  for men than women women have a lot more all I think women have more real tangible [ __ ] to  vote for than men you disagree no I

think that no but I'm saying that I think that when you  ask a woman what they care about politically it's going to be more social when you ask a man  it's going to be more economic or maybe that's just the social case I in diving diving between  I me you end voting because of the social expect Ving social different yeah I would guess that  a woman would be more likely to vote against the interest of her own tax bracket because she  really agrees with the social policy than a man would that's j

ust a guess but I would guess that  $2 for testical Johnson boys wear blue and girls wear pink and a story thank you for the $2 $5 from  Aris foul women vote for weak District Attorneys and pro-criminal policies to feel good uh true  let's go to fairy queen okay I think that like I think that you're half I think that I would  half agree with you and half disagree with you so I would agree that like when you vote blue that  there are going to that it's a mixed bag right so you mentioned for insta

nce like trans spells you  mentioned for instance like um autistic teenagers especially like women and like the sorbent rise  like in and I would agree that and there are many women particularly conservative women who are  not happy about these changes and who dislike these changes um you also mentioned sex work I  think that that's I think that our concern about pornography particularly AI pornography has become  magnified over the past like 10 or 15 years so I would agree with you that just vo

ting blue is not  necessarily going to be an all- win for women it is a mixed bag but here are a couple of things  that I don't agree with you with so one of them has to do with your mentioned abortion it's kind  of true when you said that there was an uptick but I'm looking here at all of these charts that talk  about like the rates of abortion and like from like the minute it was legalized we see a huge  Spike that goes like this and then it goes slowly downward to a trend and now we're seeing

a teeny  tiny uptick okay so what that means from from what year I'm talking about the I'm talking about  after the pill Oh I thought you were talking about abortion I thought is this like a whole tangent  to a totally different disc well I just wanted to clarify that because I made it because I in might  I could have been wrong but it thought that you were saying that like there are more abortions  and like people are getting more abortions now after the pill well I that well we saw an uptick 

and abortions after the pill became widespread okay so I misunderstood so I thought that you said  that there was a huge up I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing I don't even necessarily think  that's a bad thing but this is a tangent I I can I can remove I can remove that and bring up the fact  that I think women also like it was said earlier women are like pro-criminal voters I think that  a lot of people especially women in California are having to deal with the fact that they're  bei

ng loose on crime and then also their houses and their apartments are getting broken into uh in  San Francisco andal in Los Angeles from the people that they're trying so so desperately to coddle  um so yeah I think that that's another thing which people specifically but homeless people lab are  you surprised criminals are providers are they where do you think where do you think the how do  you think the rent's getting paid somebody else's couch somebody else is no talk also but I think  but I t

hink that like it's important to mention that like you also get a mixed bag like when you  vote conser for conservatives as well so there are significant benefits that come from voting  blue that don't just everything is consequential but it also has to do with welfare right so for  instance like single mothers for instance they are more relied upon social programs they are more  likely to care we know statistically that women are more likely to vote for the interests of women  and children when

they're voted into office and statistically speaking the political candidates  that you're going to vote for if they're going to be women they are more likely to be Democrats  than they are to be men so if you are somebody who is a woman and if you're a single parent and  you have children and you're worried about and you want policies like breakfast and lunch being  freely available at schools you're more likely to vote for a Democrat as opposed to a conservative  generally speaking because yo

u rely on those I know that's true it depends on whether or not  the conservative is Christian but I would I I think a lot of conservatives are very pro- social  programs especially for underprivileged children but I don't know if it's it doesn't look we had a  recent bill pass a recent bill pass a bipartisan Bill actually uh with I think in the house at  least uh more with with the more Democrat votes but but they a sizable number of Republican  voted uh for it as well uh there were on the agai

nst side there were 71 who voted against it um  I think 23 of those were actually really uh really radical Democrats as well um because uh the the  bill itself was a an Omnibus Bill and it included uh tax breats for the rich uh so a lot of uh the  more extreme Democratic candidates just didn't vote for it in that uh because of but I wanted to  pass the ball a little bit to Rashad uh let kind of maybe maybe recenter us a little bit we'll see  go oh yeah fair you're changing my mind but I want to

ask you a question um do you think the lack of  quantitative data on the effects of the cultural shift in Men in combination with the current lack  of voter turnout amongst young people and amongst men do you feel like Society can rest easy as it  pertains to like the shift in in young men's like cultural beliefs as it pertains to like voting  a legislation do you think like Society the West can kind of just like pass it off as like um  not really gonna affect the voting like how do you feel bec

ause I think you're changing my mind  right now but I want like get it deeper in your head if you want to convince young men to vote  blue you need to explain to them what material benefit they get from voting blue so I think that  like we know this like more women having sex with them mostly well not even that but mostly like so  for instance like I mentioned to you for instance like young women the material benefit that they  get are most social programs for their children more protection for

their children access to  abortion access to contraception access to etc etc these are the benefits you're saying they  need children they need children of vblue no I'm saying that they need to understand like what  benefit not necessarily are the benefits are those benefits what the benefits specifically for  men like specific speciic for men as a man what benefit do you get if you vote Democrat what is  the benefit that you get from that because women have a specific istically unironically lik

e that  is the can you elaborate on that La please yeah all all the all the things that benefit men like  you know access to women's abortion so that they don't have to become fathers after having uh  premarital sex or having frivolous sex uh you know access to pornography access to sex work uh  being you know being able to commit crimes with less a harsh sentence like Hedonism if you're a  hedonistic male you would vote Democrat but yet we see in the data right like in the in the links  I gave

you all before the show right less and Le there there's a bigger divide and yes a lot of  it is women being radicalized right and going way way way to the left but there is some drop off  uh when it comes to to men going left as well so are you is your argument that um Hedonism is down  because I don't see that I don't see hm being down and so if Hedonism was the reason to vote blue  you'd think it'd be up but it it just isn't no I I also think it's access to women I think a lot  of the reason w

hy men are even pretending to be liberal or is because of access to women because  a lot of women are like oh I'm not you're going to say the NW in front of me I'm you're I'm never  GNA touch you again or like you're you don't think that a like you think that a homeless person  should go to jail for breaking into my house I'm not gonna [ __ ] you well here's another  explanation too though like this is something like in Pew research so 68% of like voters of  people that voted in 2022 like they w

ere about like they mostly voted Democrats so Mo and I think  that like if we something different well but you know the old ad Doge and the old ad Doge and it's  as true as that if you're young you know you vote you with your heart if you're older you vote with  your brain right what is it like I can't quite recall like what exactly the clip is the point  you're a republican before 30 you have no heart if you're a Democrat after 30 you have no brain  yes exactly so it seems to tend to be true th

at like younger people tend to Trend more liberal  anyway and I think that that's historically been the case anyway that younger people tend to vote  more liberal like so I I I don't know if it's necessarily just access to women also again young  people don't typically turn aren't great at voter turnout they made up like about 30% 36% of the  voter turnout right it's mostly adults it's mostly people over the age of 50 right sorry but like  your 65-year-old like Democrat dude isn't doing that bec

ause he want almost positive that that  changed in the last election I'm almost positive that changed the last election it went up but  it didn't completely reverse but also aren't we just completely dodging the question we're saying  that if men don't vote the Democrats don't need men because men are just not turning out to the  votes so if women do and this is what's currently happening women now run the popular vote they  are the popular vote so like what is the question shouldn't be what can

the Democrats do to get men  the question is and everyone's asking it on the right is what can the Republicans do to get women  back and they can't come up with anything right now you're going to get like some trans stuff  you're going to get a little bit of abortion stuff but that requires religion you're going  to get a little bit of anti- rape stuff but that requires somebody be okay with saying something  rally controversial like that's the only type of people you have to already have your

foot one  foot in the door of being conservative to become a republican right now so if they can't come up with  anything Democrats just win well so the answer I'm glad you brought up the answer to that question  tun if the question is like how to get women to vote more conservatively the answer is you really  harp on trans stuff you emphasize like protection of children you make sure that the people that  you're voting for are voting for policies that affect mothers with children and that affec

t  children and that make sure that they don't lose access to welfare programs that they rely on  in order to feed their kids that's an important aspect um think that's true because conservatives  are very Pro that so I'm very I think I think one way to get women to vote conservative is by  telling them the truth and by not coddling them anymore here's another truth like for years like  there have been numerous cases of where Democrats have tried to push to raise the legal age of  marriage to 18

in multiple States and historically speaking when they try to do that they are often  like shot down by conservatives in court and the reason like why they try to raise the illegal  age of marriage into 18 is so that young girls specifically teenagers aren't groomed and forced  into marriages that they don't want to be in there there was a famous case in New York there was a  woman she was an orthodox Jew and she was nearly forced into a marriage at age 16 that's not being  spearheaded by the D

emocrats however hedonistic you may want to pain them that's being spearheaded  by the fundamental religious conservatives who are spear hitting that legislation and women don't  want to vote for that either women need to know that when they're voting for a republican into  office that they are somebody they're voting for somebody who is actually going to protect their  interests if that person women's interests change every 10 years because of social contagion so what  the sephra Jetts were vot

ing for we are not voting for now as women right so like even with that this  is very controversial a lot of women it would it would behoove them to get married younger than to  deal with all the things that they're dealing with into their late 20s early 30s why I'm saying every  woman I'm not saying every woman I think well I'm under the impression that a lot less women would  be an only fans if they just got married earlier well let me put it but why okay can I just ask  hold on hold on hold o

n hold no no hold on hold on hold on pause just just pause for a minute  so I I just want to be clear and then then I I want to hear what everyone else thinks so are  you advocating that women get married younger than 18 no I I think that I I think that the  age of consent should be 21 personally okay uh but I think that I'm I'm just saying that you  can't what we're talking about right women what women want changes way more often than what  men have wanted historically oh do you know why elate

women have a tendency to be more  open-minded and adapt and progress faster than men men tend to become more stag and  hardheaded and don't change a good thing yes progression is always number one no see this  is you might not like the changes and you might not like the conflict that arises but these men  that will stay unmarried and this is how r fell this is how r fell it's not true progressivism for  the sake of PR progressivism is [ __ ] [ __ ] no you're thinking about progressivism from som

e  micro bubble dude zoom out we're talking about a human species that's evolved over years and  years of years to come to this well you should progress material to actually discuss it over  well the problem is that this is thect like we living history you're right that women our higher  openness and their higher agreeableness this is consequential positively and negatively and it  makes our voting block all over the place look these men that are not adapting to the changes  and they're not proc

reating with these women should genetically like cease to exist right  like ultimately this is the product you can say that these men including even my brothers  like if you're not going to adapt and change authentically you were never meant to procreate  right procreation should come yeah we should just all be nudists and we should all f up I'm saying  you shouldn't punish women for wanting to choose their lives because men are unhappy that they  have chosen talking you said something they're s

aying that the women are unhappy too women  are consistently unhappy women are consistently unhappy always we are the unhappier sex we're  not the unhappier sex humans are literally in middle of a meaning crisis right now you're  saying women's issues keep changing but you do acknowledge that women's issues are still real  in spite of the fact that they're consistently changing right like you do acknowledge what do  you mean by real like serious like not being able to like have an abortion like

that like  R versus R versus way being but the only only reason why that's become a big problem is because  the social cult the sexual Revolution changed the social culture so yeah it's consequential but it's  also necessarily I don't like I'm not pro abortion I'm Pro uh like not having to have an abortion you  know what I mean like you're not for like cultural like change in terms of what women are taught  rather than stripping women of the right to have an abortion is that what you're saying y

eah okay  so I I'd like to like go H in on that specifically like what you said regarding only fans and sex  work right um and I'd like to just ask you like like why is it do you think that like young women  are like be why do young women become involved in sex work I genuinely this is just and this is a  real question it's not R uh not access to enough wealth un access to enough wealth okay yeah like  you would agree probably like social currency also well for sure that's might be a part of it

right  but if the real way is to Grant girls like an economic pathway that would mean like bolstering  public schools that would mean bolstering policies that allow for girls to succeed in school right  we have that women are doing better in school than men are yeah but conservatives AR really like  hang on I understand that they are but like my my question to you is is that because of policies  that Democrat have instituted or policies that conservatives have instituted I'm I'm not a I'm  like

a full moderate so I think it's both I think that there is there's always room for both parties  I think that within any policym and why I think I believe in democracy so much is because men and  women with equal voting power will decide on the best thing to do with Society I believe in the  power of the Sexes coming together and the power of you know masculine and feminine yinyang coming  together um I don't want you to think that for a second I'm like this crazy conservative but I  am like I I

just I'm very opposed to this like insane leftist agenda that I think only hurts  women so with the only fans thing I think what you were talking about earlier is like why I  think women like why I made the um why I said that women should get married earlier instead  of doing only fans and it's basically just off of the principle of if you're a woman you either  consent to private ownership or public ownership and so I think that private ownership is Absolut  abolutely preferential to any woman

um just in the like just for her health uh just for her safety  and for the way that uh you know a country should should run generally I I don't know a good way  to look at like other people but I would love to go back with you on this in a moment once  there was a pearl Davis tweet recently where she was like I'm thinking that wives are just  prostitutes and like a really popular quote tweet of just a picture of Andrea dworin was  like yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I want I I want to broaden this o

ut I want to get more people  in I want to give tuna a chance to get in here I want to give uh Britney a chance to get in here  I want to give Rashad and that's the order we're gonna go in so we're gonna go tuna we're gonna  go Britney we're gonna go Rashad go ahead tun um so this is all of these the social changes aren't  happening for no reason they are adjustments to a shift in technological availability we already  talked about abortion we talked about the pill and all of those progressions

are happening due  to conservative private sector policies so the way that we are running the country the inventions  we are making the innovations that we are are are the the way that we regulate business from the  conservative end from the Republican end is going to make fundamental ripples in society that will  be adjusted to socially the Democrats then create their platform off of that the Republicans  have a fundamental contradiction inside of their platform which is that they want to stymy

  capitalist progress but they don't want to have the Ripple effects happen so either the Democrats  are going to have to be there like Little Maids cleaning up their messes or the Republicans are  going to have to stop being capitalist and that's why we're getting towards these like people that  are you know that's that's what third positionism is we're trying to get to such a such a level of  like isolation don't take immigration in make it so that everybody's homeschooled trying to like  a mo

re simple a simple way of living that's the third positionism is like even a little bit  viable for one second in America I think it's no I'm saying this the moderate the moderate  voter is is is very much uh eating up the third positionism right now um so I think that the  the highest turnout for voters has always been the middle um and so I think middle shrinking  though um in recent years along with this uh I think but I think think it's only for a moment  and I think after the whole Trump wh

atever [ __ ] dies down it will go back to normal wait a second  though but there's when he said third positionism I thought he meant like um and I'm not great at  political philosophy guys okay so bear with me but like the um the third position between like the um  Western block of capitalism and the Eastern block of Communism as opposed to like Bill Clinton Third  Way Democrat like that's like a different thing in my mind but were I thought you were referencing  the like almost like nozull ene

rgy where you're very conservative socially but you're like pretty  left-wing like Pro family economically judging but like talking about well that no that is the  moderate now especially because it's reactionary politics so it's a reaction to both sides so Mass  politic as you would get a lot of it the classic ideas is that people aren't thinking in terms  of individual because they don't really feel like individuals anymore they feel like they  are part of Collective identities on the left you

're going to get those Collective identities  from sort of like the disenfranchised and then on the opposite you have like oh we are patriots  that are being left out of the political interest the Democrats want to just fill us with you know  we are getting to that position of mass mind that that is also the moderate voter even though there  is no middle it's because everyone now looks like a mass mind well like the moderate voter hat hates  the like rabidly left-wing social person but they also

hate the like Romney Republican who's like no  healthcare needs to be really [ __ ] expensive and it's like they have those positions at the same  time I want to I want to toss the ball to Britney for a minute um and let her go there's been a lot  said she could respond to what she likes and we're going to toss it to rot go ahead Britney there  is a deeply possible chance that I misunderstood the point of this panel a little bit because in  my mind these are social issues and politics or reflec

tion of the social and long lived history  of like humans so like when I look at humans and I look at how we've evolved and where We've Ended  up and that we're living history I look at our wants and our desires I think fairy queen said  it best like we don't have churches but the same people that say we need churches aren't going to  church it's an option you can go no one's keeping you from going so why aren't you going to church  because we're in a deep meaning crisis as uh Veri would say Joh

n Veri right and and so when we are  in a meeting crisis it impacts our politics it makes us less compassionate or more compassionate  depending on our needs being met but we don't need we don't know what we actually need so we don't  know how to vote and then because we don't know how to vote we vote with whatever feels right  or sounds right and then that is just like the society at large is reflection of where we are  right the majority dictates well the majority of the world is decided this

is how the world  should be so here we are and the question is if we're really moving people in a way why and is it  serving everybody because I hear a lot of people complaining but they also when they get things  aren't happy still so I'll contend that women also aren't happy but the problem is is like it's not  about things it's about a society that actually is going to work for them a housing market that  works for them a job market that works for them a family life that works for them and we

're not  getting that right now what does that mean hold on if I may intergate this for a minute what does  that mean works for them like a a a a a housing market a job market uh I don't I forget the third  thing you said yeah it's about well this is the complicated part that whether or not we're not  going to acknowledge it or not but the United States is not a society it's a collection of  societies all working together under a one banner and all of those societies are screaming we need  to he

lp Society without ever acknowledging that like New York is not California or Texas Kentucky  is not the same as Illinois so you can still like you can argue all you want about who's Society but  Society is unique and diverse and I just think we keep calling like we need to help society and  Men which men the men in mind bubble are fine what's wrong with yours you know but the men in  mind bubble no they're not ready to be husbands but also they still like Tate and they want to be  husband worth

y so what's that about right or the ones that are religious are doing fine they have  wives they have kids because they have a religious bubble so I'm saying like people are fine if  you accept that like you're on a journey and like this is what's happening but then you're not  fine if you are seeking some material value from the world and that includes politics politics is  like a material EX exchange of feeling good I vote for this politician he gives me this Material  Exchange of good and I'm

saying that's fine but like every society has a different need and  are we willing to accept that like Texas isn't California right sure yeah are young men doing  fine though if if we're looking at the cultural changes that we're seeing are young men doing  fine when we look at who they're looking up to the kind of media they're consuming you know are  young men doing fine because I think we can all agree the male vote is kind of like drifting  in the abyss like the the conserv must admit that

the women are the more mentally ell ones it  we must admit that the the women sorry we get to the women are mentally ill that's an evergreen  thing we can always go back to that but I no but it's like liter we just keep talking about  the men and like that super chatter referenced earlier we just keep [ __ ] talking about the  men keep [ __ ] talking about the men and it's like all these papers we've brought up it says  that women are changing the hardest the most the quickest also the papers sa

y women have the most  psychiatric issues and they have more psychiatric issues if they're liberal and also liberal men  even have more psychiatric issues and conservative women men also have that they just bottle it  down and don't ever face themselves and then they shoot their family or themselves and they  their job ridic or they abuse their wives look mental health is real whether you're Republican  or a Democrat male vote drifting in the void okay okay well problem the problem we are having

is  we want to have six different conversations about this topic take it in six different directions  which is fine but let's try I'm going to try to take this one at a time um let's let's finish  Rashad's point and then we'll get to the mental illness and then we'll get to the Ridiculousness  yeah I want to talk about mental illness too but I was saying before we started talking about crazy  folks is can we agree that the young male vote is like drifting in the voot like conservatives  don't h

ave them tight liberals don't necessarily have them either they're kind of like drifting  and inactive politically I want to understand because I want to bring it back to what we were  talking about originally what do you guys do we just leave the male vote where it is is there any  desire impetus to okay he says [ __ ] yeah do we bring them toward us or do we kind of just leave  them where they are cuz I would say ideologically we kind of see what's happening within the young  male genzi as a g

enzer I can see what's going on I can see like where my demographic is culturally do  we want to like do we are we basically gonna say they're never going to turn out in any substantial  numbers so let's just leave what I think this speaks to what Britney was saying earlier that  we live in like kind of a purposeless society and I think that men specifically with their own  psychiatric evolutionary needs need purpose more than women do because I think that women are more  connected to a biologic

al purpose at least through our wombs in a way that men just aren't um so I  think that like I think a huge part of why men are like directionless is because of like just  the throwing way of Christian secularism um so I need I think that men need to like a new I think  part of why they love Andrew Tate is because men have this like need to be soldiers like they  have this they're like workhorses I say this a lot as aoke joke but it is true I disagree I  disagree what do you what do you disagree

the the Martyr myth as this aesthetic thing to Aspire  to EXC Empire not something that's innate in the body a Black History Month tuna that's  crazy yeah I'm G you know what I'm gonna on the panel Lavon [ __ ] shut the [ __ ]  up Jesus Christ the the idea of sending men to war and this idea that men fantasize  about dying for their wife and child that's an Empire born thing it's not in the ego no I  I'm talking about this I'm talking about they need purpose they need to be kept busy I don't  t

hink I don't think I don't think it's like they need to be put to [ __ ] War that's like a  stupid but I think that they do need to be kept busy in a way that women do not need to be  there's a there's such thing as male genius and male Madness that women seem to not show women  are high in neuroticism but it doesn't have as between women cry and go to a Psy men shoot  up a school exactly exactly exactly violence and male Madness is more consequential for  society I want to push back on your rea

soning for men [ __ ] with Andrew Tate like I think  a much more statistically and quantitatively more accurate explanation would probably be  like men's lack of success romantically and socially it's probably a bigger motivation  for [ __ ] with Tate than wanting to be a soldier another reason hold on as someone  who went to go be a soldier at one point didn't work out but it is what it is um  I was surrounded by a bunch of young kids die King appreciate it thank you uh you know  I was surround

ed by a bunch of other young 18old I'll take it off I'm cool with it um pause  anyways um I think a lot as someone who's been around a whole bunch of young men who all signed  up to kill like we all went infantry like 2018 2019 I didn't like I don't think that any of  the young men there were like oozing this just strong desire to just be soldiers so even amongst  the ones I'm not saying soldiers I'm not saying soldiers in the sense of War let me let me at  least go back and clarify hold but if

you're going off on a tangent of something I don't mean I  want to save you the time let me get my [ __ ] off is I'm saying that even amongst the young men who  probably are more inclined to want to commit acts of violence even if it's legally you know allowed  like being in the military even those young men weren't to like wild like wild and ready to go  so what I'm saying is amongst normal young men I think their desire is not rooted in in a desire to  be like super duper tough or super duper

goonish think I I think what they want is to simply be  successful with women and I think I think there's three things that they want there's three things  that they want okay people might people might push back on what I'm about to say but I think that  young men's main appeal to Andrew Tate besides the Bugattis and the fitness and all that bull  [ __ ] is the advice on how to get women and I think that he's the only oh yeah 100% there's  three things there's three things can I say them talk yo

ur sh one is camaraderie with brothers so  it's it's Brotherhood because men Thrive off of camaraderie with their brothers another one is  uh keeping busy just having your mind occupied and the third one is access to women of course uh  so that's what I mean by Soldier because not not being a soldier is not just uh killing right  it's keeping your mind busy also camarad with brothers and then also when you come home you  get your pick of the litter right you are you are now you are now a man wit

h purpose you are  now a man who has more job opportunity because you're a veteran in a lot of cases or at least  this was the case after World War II um or World War I especially uh and so that's that's what I  mean is that men want need to be more occupied and what we see is that even though men have jobs  they are severely underemployed they have too much time on their hands they don't have as many  hobbies there there's not as much Brotherhood people men have less friends than ever before  n

ow men are working from home in horde so they have less camaraderie at the workplace also we  have mass immigration so there's a lot of jobs that are that are being taken that uh you know  primarily American men would have take would have taken that are now being uh you know given  to people who are not from here um so there are there are multiple there are multiple issues  I'm not just saying wanted to sure I wna I want to okay I'm G to throw a flag on the play here  um because I think that we

this is this is one of the more difficult uh ones to Wrangle here  I'm going to confess I would argue we're kind of where we need to be with this discussion  we're getting into like the cultural like I would say so we're kind of like getting into the  we got into the political and like you know like analytical weeds of it but now we're getting  into the more like meta do you think so go for it brother okay far it for me microaggression  yeah put that on the Shelf [ __ ] what okay if I feel talki

ng about Brotherhood veteran okay  that's what I mean by an official brother on the first day of a veteran of the streets trying  to say right now Wick no uh he he was in the military apparently and we're brothers I know  I know keep going keep going um I don't I don't think do we think that men are underemployed yeah  are they not what I mean by underemployed I mean they don't have a challenging enough job okay  so you think that they're not being challenged enough in their jobs yeah sure maybe

but doesn't  that have to do with just like we have fewer jobs like in the complicated fewer complicated  jobs now than ever and more like technological because of yeah technological progress um yeah  I think that that's certainly a case which is why I think that we've talked about this before  me and you is why technological progressivism will be very consequential to men especially um  yeah but the the way that the way that that pans out and the frustrations they they tend to just  make it so

that men like find something in their personal creative sphere something that they do  individually that like keeps them distracted is that actually bad hobes like I said Hobbies but  men aren't aren't taking Hobbies anymore there's less Brotherhood than ever before I don't know if  I buy that I think men report being so lonely like I don't know what you mean get we have wi get in  let wig get in let wig get in I'm res go ahead go ahead we are going down a rabbit hole that might  not be product

ive so I want to I want to address what Allison says right because Allison made  a very very good point when she said that the data shows right Men Moving they're still moving  right but the the movement is far far less than women women are spiking when it comes to their  radicalization to going more and more extreme social contagion wicking right it I I don't is  that it is that simply it it's just social con contagion women are so women are so predisposed  to fall for social contagion that it

should be genuinely there should be legislation against it I  think so so so a couple of things so I want to pop in here want to know what is funny there's real  [ __ ] going on like abortion rights and you're just kind of like minimizing the fact that that  just got because when we talk about extreme it's not okay okay I'm going to speak I'm going to speak hold  on because I just spoke and then everyone had a reaction to it so I'm going to talk when we talk  about extreme leftism and why women

are going up up up up up to a crazy level we're not talking  about the moderate decision or like the moderate Democratic decision to legalize abortion to  legalize birth control we're thinking about the crazy postmodernist [ __ ] that is social  contagion and that's [ __ ] it so so you so it's not when you think it's not like oh there's crazy  stuff on the table yes it has always been the case that there are moderate voters the what why the  why on why now people are not just wanting access to a

bortion but like 60 other things is social  contagion and also what social media is doing to our [ __ ] brains okay queen go ahead okay so a  couple of things so I would agree with what you and with Alison said that it is true that like  rates of mental health like especially and how it's affecting women um are extremely poor  and have clearly like women's mental health are suffering like we can find numerous examples  of this one of the examples is like not merely that women are self-reporting

like higher rates of  depression and anxiety but they are more likely to be admitted into hospital to be hospitalized for  attempted suicide like that's one of the clearest examples and clear as signs of that right but I'm  not sure like there's sort of a weird thing that we're doing when we're saying first of all that  the population of people that is suffering like from mental health is also like becoming therefore  more and more liberal is it because there's like I'm not really sure like how

these lines connect  right are you saying that like women like are tend to be more liberal because of the fact they tend  to have suffer more from mental illnesses or are you saying or is it the reverse of that that  people women who tend to be more liberal are simply more likely to be mentally ill are you just  stating a correlation are you trying to like what connective tissue exists between these two dots is  what I'm asking well it's extremism not you have the other white woman just kidding

just the other  one I want to hear from her I there's a paper called the politics of depression diverging Trends  and internalizing symptoms Among Us adolescents by political beliefs and they basically said um of  internalizing symptoms of people acting depressed and neurotic and just like generally unwell  liberal women are killing it okay they are just killing it in terms of mental instability  they are so good at being mentally ill and then behind them are liberal men and then behind them  ar

e conservative women and then holding down Fort most mentally stable are conservative men there  is like a lefty sympathetic argument that says well the Liberals are more likely to seek out  mental health care they're more likely to be in touch with their emotions they're more likely to  know that they're mentally unwell right-wingers are more likely to like silently like sit there  and marinate and their own mental illness and then like [ __ ] snap and do some crazy [ __ ]  so I mean well speak

ing crazy [ __ ] you guys hear about the guy who cut off his father's head  went on rant put that is mental health that is a mental health crisis anyway carry on paper in  the chat thank you thank you Allison I have a question like that so I've seen some statistics  regarding like differences between when between conservatives and between liberals and one of  them is the conservatives tend to be taller they tend to be physically more attractive they  tend to be more likely to go to the gym all o

f those those things also tend to be true um I am  not sure but I would just ask you is there any data to suggest that if you tend to be a liberal  woman that you're more likely to have experienced assault or more likely to have EXP experienced  some form of violence in your life I think I have seen one I would bet that that's true I don't  know if it I don't know if there's like papers to suggest that it's true or not but I personally  know a lot of women who like had um like sexually traumatic

experiences or like sexually NE  negative experiences and then they were kind of like really radicalized by that they like  really projected their own personal life onto like National politics like I know people who watch  the Kavanagh hearings through and through that was a five are proceeding they watch it from the  start and they watch it again and and every time a republican tweeted about how like she's a lying  [ __ ] how could you not remember every single detail of their rape they were l

ike going [ __ ]  crazy like I know specifically from college like many female friends who like probably were pushed  further left by like their own sexually traumatic experiences and like seeing right which I'm also  from the south okay so like there were like a lot of right-wing posts on all of our social media  pages about yes from from the south about like um just like right-wing sympathetic positions and  even if you are yourself right-wing sympathetic like there were some really insensitiv

e posts from  right-wingers about sexual violence that I think like really turned a lot of women away and there  will be conservative men who are like this is just women like voting based on their emotions because  they're chaotic like why are you projecting your own [ __ ] baggage onto National politics that's  unhealthy well that's that but specifically that is what I wanted to narrow in on right and  that's why I wanted to ask specifically about trauma specifically about like violent instance

s  that may have happened to you because when we're saying like the way unfortunately like when  you say and it is true that like liberal women are more likely to suffer from mental illnesses  what that makes it sound like like to the average person listening is the reason like why if you are  a woman and if you're liberal it's it's because of the fact that you suffer from a mental illness or  because you're which is the danger of saying that what I want to say and the point of you that out  is

that it might be the case that if you are a liberal woman and if you are voting for these  more liberal policies it might be because you think that those liberal policies might address  something that has happened to you systemic problems that you have faced and discrim aspects  of discrimination that you've faced in your life and that might be the reason like why you're more  likely to vote I I want to discuss that but I'm also curious because I have heard the argument  um that the left courts

mental illness in a way that the right does not like the left encourages  you to identify with your mental illness like um it's not that you just have ADHD or it's not that  you just have autism you're autistic right um and and I I'm I'm sympathetic to that argument but I  want to hear for pros because I'm not sold on it I also want to also address right the idea that  the again the the more self-reliance that is uh pushed by the right might again lead to people  who otherwise would have mental

issues getting better at a little bit right we are talking about  like social spheres that like expose you to more traumatic instances when we talk about the left  we are talking like we talking about people who are constantly posting videos of people being  murdered people that are having casual sex and then feeling raped afterwards we were talk like  I mean look at how much the DSA was spending on their [ __ ] sexual assault budget it's insane how  much the social climate is about exposing you

rself to adverse experience versus the conservative it's  not even necessar that liberal people are worse people it's more so that liberal people by being  more open-minded and more open to new experiences expose themselves to both more positive and more  negative experiences and especially women yeah especially women it's really way more to lose  it's important as a liberal woman to be like uh like a sort of Cosmopolitan culturally in all  ways that you can I care about nuclear arms I know a wo

man who every night it might not be  true anymore it's an X every night woke up from a nightmare about nuclear war and she lives in  like the probably one of the safest places from nuclear war of all time we're not talking about  someone living in Afghanistan it's just like she every day wakes up wa did did you just say Mom I  said Vermont Vermont yeah yeah vermonts that feels like the safest place from a nuclear war it was  uh she Philadelphia whatever doesn't matter I'm saying the United State

s like that's not that safe  that is the end that is the end of her life that is the end if anything else that would be the  end [ __ ] oh oh if if a if a nuclear warhead hit Philadelphia or something otherwise what I'm  saying is like you don't live in a war zone she should move not a nuclear war zone at least well  let let me just say you know we're we're calling for a ceasefire in Philadelphia but no she's not  like in the Gaza [ __ ] strip yet that's what she wakes up to every night her body

by the concept  okay but yeah I I would I would agree with you that like especially liberal women I think are  living and Mary Harrington and Lise Perry who are both feminist writers make the case that  a lot of women are so unhappy because we're living unnaturally and living uh like liberal like  liberally and with this Progressive mindset of uh libertarianism is like diametrically opposed  to uh women's interests and has always been um so I think that that's I want to respond  to that actuall

y and then specifically like tie this back to something you said earlier and  that was the idea that like it's better for like young girls so girls who are 18 to choose to get  married as opposed to get only fans and I would agree with you in a vacuum that's probably true  right yeah but life is not a vacuum right like why not tell that girl for instance to focus on  like her education why not tell her to focus on her career well even when she gets married and  has a career she's still going to

Crave marriage and have children because that is what women  want uh so we there's this new like liberal feminist thing where women are like telling women  to oppose their fundamental nature in the things that they have always wanted um and I don't get it  I don't get it women women on average don't want to have the careers that men have we don't have  this the same things the same things don't drive us I I can give you an answer to that though  like let me ask you something okay so suppose like

you do have the girl in the vacuum that  does choose to get married at 18 right sure um like there are I seen plenty of Statistics that  show that girls that statistically get married at younger ages that have children at younger  ages specifically 18 and 19 and 20 they're more likely to be divorced they're more likely to have  multiple marriages they are more likely to become sure but when we're when we're comparing these two  things are which the only things I was comparing to in a vacuum in

the vacuum they are more way  more likely to kill themselves if they go into sex work they're more likely to be mentally ill  they're way more likely to be unhappy so in that vacuum not the public to get married or not  I would say wait until you are 25 until your brain is developed but if you have theice okay  I I'll tell you why I'm I'll tell you why I'm humping on on this specific point right yes  actually so the reason like why I'm thumping on this particular point is and I hear this from  a

lot of people specifically and I'm sure you were even on one of these podcasts who specifically  say that like women should focus should not focus on their careers they should not focus on their  education they should focus on becoming married they should focus on getting married as quickly  as possible so this is ridiculous I think that we the the evidence shows that women are the  happiest when they have a job and they can take care of their children so these are things like  uh you know part

-time jobs or a focus on a um on a hobby that's making money or having some  sort of financial Independence away from your husband but also that isn't necessarily like a  high power job so it's something where you can still keep half an eye on your children as you're  ra as you're raising them um this is just what women want women are the happiest is doing this  uh so to be like no you need to get an education you need to be a girl boss you need to focus on  these things it's women are just not

happy that way we just never but I'll give you the reason  like why I think that's important and the reason like why that's important because it is because  of your children so I've this is a problem that I often have like not with you necessarily  but with other people who have touted this type of type of R before which is that like  it's perfect in a vacuum right assuming that your husband Never Dies assuming that he never  loses his job assuming that you but oftentimes in many marriages it is

assuming that you never  get divorced right sure right it is okay just to have like a simple side gig that you can just  do on the side it's just something you sort of keep an eye on just to sort of keep yourself  busy right the problem just I said Financial Independence also like you want to have a good to  be fair that that to be fair and also that's why I vote for social programs that's why I call myself  a feminist for things that happen like this like if your husband beats you or if he die

s women  should have a fallback program right but that is like specifically the problem that I have often  like with with uh many people who are conservative who tilt conservative and who advocate for  women to get married at younger ages and to not focus on their education or their career it  sets you up yeah I would agree don't get until 25 finish your point but then I want to hear  from Britney on this specific thing like do do women just want to get married is that the thing  right and hold

on I didn't say that women want to pair bond with one person women crave monogamy  they also crave children they want children and they also want jobs it's not just it's just mon  children I'm curious what Alison and Britney have to say on those but finish your point fairy  queen and then I want to hear if that's what um Alison and Britney wanted to this is I don't  think that lav is necessarily saying this but I have heard people who tilt more conservative who  are saying that the left is ruini

ng women right and I feel frustrated by that because often times  I think that many of these conservative men in particular are really asking like women to conser  women to prioritize their sex lives with them over the well-being and preservation of their  children they care more about you playing the submissive little tradwife that doesn't work and  dresses up and walks around as opposed to making sure that your kids have their college tuition  like funded making sure that you have something st

uck stuck away for a rainy day when you as  a woman do not prioritize your education you don't prioritize your you do nothing like that  and you do choose to just get married quick and you do whatever it is your husband has to say  and you choose not to take any sort of within that marriage you are not just screwing over  yourself you are screwing over your children and throwing them under the bus in order for you  to be a good mother you have to be an empowered mother and that means that you do

have to focus  on your career and developing your and focusing on your education okay uh to Britney and then to  Allison and then I know we're reaching that time I want to give everyone an option to leave but I  know we have callers and if people want to stay we'll probably go for a little bit longer but I  want to hear from Britney Allison and then we'll get to closing go ahead um so I don't believe like  any group is a monolith I think humans are diverse and unique and I think we can generali

ze but I  think that does a great disservice to caring for people's needs and I think a lot of people will  get neglected with that method so as things change people will have different needs and wants and so  I think holding on to this idea that there will never be a different need or want even through  the evolutionary process of like women creating new babies I think it's sort of neglecting sort of  like social changes or reflection of so much more than just what you're watching on TV especia

lly  when they're happening to mass groups of people and so for me I'm not sure that I could say  like women want babies I could say some women want babies and that's great you should do that  but you should also do it with somebody who loves you and you should do it with somebody that you're  committed to and you should do it with somebody who isn't going to abuse you or your Offspring  and that is much harder to come by than we're led to believe and I think that's the Dilemma a  lot of women a

re facing so it is better obviously to be single and not procreate same with men  it is better that men are not choosing women who will cheat on them or women who will leave  them or women that will abuse their finances or anything like that as well so I personally  struggle with this question because I just can't downgrade humans down to this generalization  but I appreciate that input from people as they've always used that as a way to help society and I  don't really see it helping so if you

want to keep it up go ahead Alon um yeah I mean like just on  the Louis Perry slash um the oh what's her name Mary Harrington feminism against progress okay I  have that book so I'm like I'm sympathetic to what they say I also think they Veer a little too hard  sometimes into like I mean they don't outright say this but sometimes they basically outright say  like it would be better to be in like a Loveless like boring ass [ __ ] marriage to be alone like  then to be alone like basically settle w

omen like would rather be in like a boring ass [ __ ] like  like kind of troublesome marriage than you would to like be by yourself and honestly like I  don't know CU for me I'm like oh that sounds terrible but then I'm like but I'm working off  the assumption that like a good marriage is an option right like maybe if I knew that a good  marriage wasn't an option like I don't know I like to think that I would like prefer to be alone  but I like might not I like might wish to like be kind of mild

ly annoyed with somebody but still  just to have them I don't know I like don't know if that's true or not I think a lot of people do  settle I do I think a lot of people choose that option yeah yeah and I like hard to do life alone  yeah well especially if you don't have family or aunties or uncles like I'm really blessed that  way right I come from a Iraqi background everyone has family right all my I got like 81 cousins  so I'm really lucky but not everybody has that and so I wonder like you

know is that going into  it as well are we paying attention to people of color and how they're often religious and they are  procreating at a faster rate so maybe why people need to figure out their family priorities well  this is why we're going to have ai companions in the future and uh we can be not alone but alone at  the same time gang um I want to respect everyone hold on hold on the idea that it's settling to to  have a partner that you're comfortable with rather than especially into your

70s and 80s rather  than having like crazy like sex relationship with is this it's like this well it's this new  about values girl settling vales it's the way that no that's not the way that Allison framed it  but the way that you were no she said annoyed with didn't just ask her I mean that's a thing we yeah  I just meant like somebody you know this is not your optimal partner if you had it your way you  would date somebody with like notably different qualities but they're willing to date you

a  relation a relationship ultimately is a choice there is this new like after especially after  Disney you know princesses that your life is going to look in a a certain way and it's almost never  the case sometimes and I don't know if you've been around a lot of old couples they're very grumpy  with each other but there is still that love that partnership that Devotion to each other that comes  after you you choose each other every day for 50 plus years and it doesn't look the same as meeting 

someone and falling in love and constantly having sex and and doing whatever it just starts to look  different yeah I don't know why you're bringing sex into it I feel like settling is about values  ultimately right like if you love someone you don't care if you can have sex with them for the  rest of their life it's about companion ship and yes but I but I I was correlating sex to passion  and correlating passion to excitement so this is kind of an age-old problem um with relationships  in gen

eral but uh that's almost another topic and again uh we're not ending the stream but I do  want to give a chance to everyone to close out sell themselves uh or promote themselves let's  let's be clear uh and uh if they need to go they need to go we have some callers bring in um  that's fine um gang uh it has has been great if you've liked this content hit that like button hit  that subscribe button if you're watching this on YouTube if you're watching this on Twitch or on  Kick hit that follow b

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gonna find a way okay uh but I want to give everyone here a chance to to  shout themselves out tell people where they can find them we're g to start with Rashad and we're  gonna work our go ahead Rashad all right my name is Rashad krenshaw you can find me on YouTube just  type in my name Rashad krenshaw you can find me all my links and [ __ ] on the videos U and that's  it yeah thanks for being here Rashad I hope you enjoyed yourself uh go ahead La uh hi I'm lav I  go by femoid Sigma Sigma femo

id lav loon uh you can find me wherever I'm going to start putting  out more video essays because I want to do that because I'm bored I have too much time on my hands  my husband makes too much money I don't know what to do I don't know what to do um but yeah you can  find me there first world problems but it's okay we like we like that you spend some of our time  with us thank you for being here T chip go ahead what's up thanks for having me on Wick uh yeah  I'm I'm on Twitch just follow me on

Twitch follow me on [ __ ] YouTube that's that's it what's your  name TV what's my tuna chip tuna chip my audience really likes you so they're like who is this guy  with glasses get him over here tuna chip guys tuna chip you need a haircut you need a haircut bad I  know don't even get me [ __ ] started don't trust your girlfriend to fulfill the promise of cutting  your hair not 2024 I've been cutting Conor hair for five years straight that would be a that would  be an interesting statement R you

r drip right we have lav on then the men in my audience come in  and La just basically tells them what's wrong with them that would be fun uh we might do that one  time uh fairy queen though go ahead hey guys um thank you so much for listening to me tonight  um you can find me at fairy Queens Cottage on YouTube you can also find me um fairy trior queen  on Twitter I've just dropped my uh YouTube in the twitch chat and I'll drop my Twitter there too  thank you so much check her out gang she's gre

at uh Britney Simon go ahead uh Britney Simon on  YouTube uh Rashad I really wanted to hear more from you actually would be interested in collabing  if you're open to it I think we could have some good discussions yeah of course anytime cool cool  cool Building Bridges Making Connections we love to see it cross pollination it works thank you for  being here Britney really appreciate you and last but certainly not least um someone who is very  excited to be here uh until she actually got here and

then I'm not sure if she's so excited but go  ahead no I've had fun um yeah I don't stream I'm just a random person here right now so thank you  for being here Alison like I said if you need to go I understand if not uh stick around there's  some callers in the waiting room who have been dming me that they want to yell at all of you  um and so we'll bring them on probably one at a time for a few minutes and we'll kick them  off when they're boring uh so let's bring on uh the one who actually pa

id me money first um  emis B you are live what do you got shouldn't you brought on the uh the person that actually  like I said you paid me money first and so I don't look I'm GNA prioritize money okay today  that's fine um so everybody uh the left should listen to everybody but lav uh I need you guys to  keep doing what you're doing uh because you guys are wul unpersuasive except for Britney somewhat  um everything you guys have done so far has only reinforce my idea that you guys don't underst

and  men's problems or why they're doing what they're doing um this is this is why they're like the the  Democrats of law support don't even care about men because they don't know how to address men they  don't understand men they don't do anything for men um what do you think men need oh they need  a purpose you you were right uh you and I think Britney may have said it too but men fundamentally  are seeking purpose in their life and that that comes out in many ways um all you've done is  lectu

re men tonight on why they need not listen to Andrew Tate even though Andrew Tate is providing  a quote unquote purpose who was lecturing against Andrew Tate um well people who keep bringing up  Andrew Tate for some reason in this conversation about I didn't hear anyone I didn't hear anyone  lecture against it I mentioned Andrew a few times yeah I will say like I agree with you I do think  everyone needs purpose I think everyone wants to be a servant in a good and healthy way not a bad  way like

we want to serve our communities whether men or women or non-binary people we all want to  serve I mean dogs want to serve animals want to serve we're animals so like we want to serve I  just think it's about finding the right way to serve right yeah but you you also have to find  a right way to serve that is in line with your instinctual nature and not try to rewrite human  psychology to fit a non-natural state I don't know if I believe that I think everything we do  is nature because we are n

ature it's like the butterfly only does what is within nature so as  do humans do only what is nature I'm going to go look back at the Soviet Union and how they tried  to change the way people behave and then that did not work out yeah but we know people change  it's just like the fundamentals but they change over time slowly like we are literally evolved  they change they change naturally with their instinctual nature they don't change fundamentally  to go I need you to stop being the way you a

re and do this entirely different thing I agree with you  no no that's why I say like men need to tell us what they need and we need to listen to that  because like I can't read your mind but also I don't expect them to change overnight which  means that because of that there is going to be a moment of conflict and pain in that growth  spurt like people are going to get welled yeah yeah usually when people have like pain in their  mind that's usually cognitive dissonance that's not like growth p

eriod I would disagree I would  say a meaning crisis is let me hear tuna he's obviously got some issues here I I want hold on  I want to let Britney finish if she has more to say but then obviously does have issues and then  I wna I want to I want allow the people that you have called out oh I I have a lot more if you guys  have the time but I know you don't we'll take it one at a time we'll take it one time but I want  to give them a chance the ones you called out to respond to you while you're

here before you go but  Britney finish your point then we'll go to tuna Rashad very Queen and Alison yeah um I would just  say like regardless of gender like nature is what is and so I think fighting your desire to change  is fighting your nature Desiring like fighting the consistency is fighting your nature I just think  we're always fighting our nature and the question is how do we move within it like a Riptide when  you're stuck in the ocean how do you move with it until you get out and I ju

st think that is so  specific to the individual that's it okay tuna why have you been lecturing men all night why have you  been failing men go ahead I haven't been lecturing men at all the thing I want to push up against  is this idea that people have an immute nature or an innate nature that is immutable and is people  follow incentives that's why Behavior changes we do have desires we do have like a a a we're mostly  responding to environmental incentives when we're making these like politica

l decisions obviously  we have a start point and an end point and someone creates some kind of like [ __ ] in the middle but  like why are women voting more right now why are women voting the way that they're doing there's  an incentive to yeah it's going to make them more independent it's going to make them have more  money women will choose to be more free than happy just like men everybody as long as you create the  corre correct maze so why are we talking about about this like like progress

progress progress  you're only talking about unmarried women every other demographic of male and female who are  married or unmarried vote conservative I don't know why you're saying all women are a monolith  that is not how that works that's not what I said I I understand but you're saying you want to be  they want to be free instead of other things that that that really only applies to unmarried women  married women what women are unmarried right now about what was it like 55 56% married a maj

ority  of women I understand so and also like the younger generation and all the married ones are dying and  they're probably get cletic like we're and we're importing a whole bunch of women that are not  married we're talking like like we are looking at a changing demographic with changing incentives  I think the I think the changing demographic is not what you're actually expecting because uh  right now gen Z is looking at Millennials who were force fed all of this uh Progressive stuff  and go

ing wow their lives are entirely [ __ ] and destroyed they have no future I don't want to be  anything like that which is why they're slightly more conservative now than the Millennials are  in many areas okay I want to give other people a chance to respond I want to go to I want to go  to Rashad and I want to go to fairy quein go to Allison that's the order we're gonna go go ahead  yeah my only issue with this conversation we've had is that the conclusion we kind of came to  as it pertains to t

he literal topic because I know we went to all different types of planets  galaxies and [ __ ] um my main issue is the fact kind of came away from the conversation saying  yeah the male vote's kind of like in the abyss and [ __ ] it who cares like it is what it is and  I think that um at least from a more from like an from an empathetic or maybe moral perspective I do  think give Something to Believe In well here's the thing is that yeah that's what I'm saying but  the problem is young men are m

aking it really obvious here are our current issues and here are  the people that are addressing it and I think that we are kind of basically saying on this panel  is that well the young men aren't really turning out in the poll so what's going on in their heads  really isn't that big of a a deal as as of right now and I think that that's not necessarily the  right way to look at it actually I think that's a horrible way to look at it [ __ ] that and I  I want to push back on that because I feel

like we should be trying to get in these guys heads  because I consumed red pill content in like 2019 when it was like normal I was like okay advice  on how to get women the end then 2021 2022 rolls around and it goes far deeper than just advice on  women it goes into conspiracy theory and genuine political opinions that are getting into the  minds of young men so what I'm saying is I think the conclusion we came to in this conversation  was kind of [ __ ] in the sense of saying like well they'

re not at the poll so [ __ ] it I don't  know if that's the right way to look at it fair Queen that's exactly what I said what I said  is if you want to bring those men like this demographic of men again as I mentioned before  which is more likely to be middle class or lower middle class men because these are honestly the  types of men who are going to have enough times on their hands to be at home for long extended  periods of times to be able to do what you what you've just mentioned right thi

s particular  group of men you have to offer them a material thing from the Democratic party for in order to  get them to the booth right I know we're talking about like a sense of purpose materialize that  for me what does that mean right does that mean family does that mean marriage what does it and  if you and if you are saying that that's what it is okay what's a policy that the Democratic  party can actually Institute to push that right we can't even offer that though like what like  what I

would argue that we can't because we can make marriage way more incentivized we can make  it young women are young women are young women are kind of showing with their choices like  look like we don't find a lot of these guys that attractive like like at least half of them  we're not really [ __ ] with them and the young men are kind of saying like look we're struggling  with dating here are the things we give a [ __ ] about I don't think that the left should try to  like appeal to marriage I m

ean we can promote it but like what what more can we do like we're  not going to curtail women's freedom for the sake of like that's not that's not what we want  to do so what I'm saying is the clear Battlefield right now away the pill we take away the pill I  don't think we should be doing any wild [ __ ] like you can't take away the pill like guess  what now your drug dealer selling the pill like hold hold on you can just natural family  plan it's not like you need the pill to not be able to b

ut we're talking about offering young  men tangibles and I think that as it pertains to like I guess like we can put more funding into  education we can probably like fund programs to encourage young men to go get you know to become  more educated but I think the battlefield for young men's political incentives right now is more  cultural than anything I mean what hard reason do young men really have to go to the voting booths  right now I don't see it I don't think young men even if there was o

ne well I don't think there  I don't think young men see it I think young men are mostly concerned about like cultural  [ __ ] right now than anything legislative okay if they don't want to go to the polls then  they don't matter no they don't want to go to polls long term that every man needs to stop  ingesting microplastics get their testosterone checked I have a question for military  conscription takes what's your answer to that why men aren going to the polls well well the  reason that well

young men like much young people don't nearly go to the polls as much as everybody  else does um but another thing is that young men don't have the time I know somebody else said  it they're usually working more than 40 hours a week especially the very young people who don't  have the um I'm I'm going to have to steal the Socialist in here's argument here that they just  don't have the capital to spend time learning all that [ __ ] but the the issue is is that men  don't actually care about any

thing outside of their Town their City their Regional area because  most people 90% of people don't actually leave their states for their entire lives so the people  that are worried about these other like areas are the people who got like Tinder that are scanning  [ __ ] 200 miles away looking at other people I'm sorry I can't that that can't possibly be  the reason so a couple of things so the reason why that's not the reason is because like women  vote more than men just generally across deca

des since the use more Hospital Services y than then  they also use more welfare yeah check men neglect themselves naturally apparently well hold on men  men just because they don't use a service doesn't mean that yeah yeah literally like if we're going  to generalize especially old conservative men they struggle to go to the doctor they struggle I  thought we don't generalize I thought everything was individualistic it is but in this conversation  lab I'm trying to join the bubble whenever it's

useful oh well the bubble doesn't even matter so  the issue is women are not using these Welfare Services because they're they're a lot faster at  recovering from things like women will often go to the emergency room for uh cold stuff like that  to get checked out young men don't normally do that uh as a person who is in the military uh the  amount of s women soldiers going to the [ __ ] um sit call is astronomical well done modern studies  on this I have four military Brothers but like they've

done Maj studies on this like okay that's  nice just sharing bro jeez bro just issue is that arus like you're kind of making my point for me  right like the reason like why like women and this is not just it's not just because of Tinder  and we know that because of even the statistics that we can I can show you like of women voting as  opposed to why are we literally neglecting biology when they keep talking about [ __ ] nature well  then talk about women's biological nature like what are we ta

lking about women have to go to  the hospital and more they experience pain on a more rapid like cycle their hormonal changes  in chemistry are literally different than men like men are working more women are working like  two jobs like we're all working we're all [ __ ] working they're not listening to me right now I've  muted them like they're not like why are these people referencing science and then not using  science or referencing data and then not using data or referencing like biological

evolution and  then not referencing biological evolution why are they referencing nature and then ignoring women's  nature I'm saying like what specific tangibles for young men like as it pertains to like their  main issues romance social and economic issues what can lials what can Democrats offer them  tangibly in legis adopt Christian secularism culturally this is the only thing that's well well  not let's not talking about what men what they can do for men let's talk about what they could st

op  doing that affects men they could stop trying to import in millions of people through back doors  to the [ __ ] uh Southern border and then house them in [ __ ] airports everybody can see that  it it politically not politically optically that looks [ __ ] bad especially when men are looking  at uh let's say I got like a few things from like Baltimore where people are [ __ ] pissed like not  even like just white people but everybody is mad that they're [ __ ] working 40 hours a week and  you

have people that are H housed up in hotels on the government's dime if you've ever talked to a  legal Mexican immigrant you know that they [ __ ] hate illegals they illegals Artemus Artemis but  my question to you it's the same question that I posed to Rashad and to tuna ship and to everyone  here earlier okay population of men right that are struggling to get a date that are spending a  lot of time online that are spending a lot of time at home right they're probably more you would  agree with

me that's probably more likely to be a middle class or lower middle class man right  um bro I'm so far away from the bubbles that talk about illegal immigration like leave people alone  the issue is is that because the the the idea of forcing somebody to adopt a religious value you  don't force them you don't force them to adopt it there are already things like especially on social  media where uh Christian secularism I mean people are very mad at this woman her name's Nara Smith  and man men ar

e grumpy at women for taking their jobs in meaning they're mad at brown people and  immigrants for taking their meaning many need to get their [ __ ] together but this is what should  be done we like that is what having this like you know making it cool to have a family and to  be monogamous and to be all these things like that that is the way that the left wins that  is just the way I gotta back on Fair Artemis aremis I want you we're gonna let Artemis go here  soon and I I do want to make sure

Alison gets her word in yeah so I I'm sorry to cut this off right  but we have a line so Alison well okay so I just want to say fairy queen every time you've said  like well women have re real material conditions they need these welfare programs they need it  um there is I'm from the south okay and I hear these conservative men in the back of my mind  and they're like why is it men's [ __ ] fault that we're more self-sufficient and we like don't  need government money why do we get punished for

not being [ __ ] leeches on society like why are  women's problems taken more seriously because they need handouts more which is like you could say  that's heartless that is some heartless [ __ ] right there but I mean you can say no it's not  because somebody has to pay for these government programs and it disproportionately it's not  women so I mean like I I don't know I mean I'm sympathetic to all sides I am really sympath and  like have opinions about the family court process that like make

conservative men so mad because I'm  like we really just have to ruthlessly prioritize the best interest of the child it's really not  about the preferences of adults right that means dads get [ __ ] over sometimes like I'm sorry but  it's just how it goes so like I am like I am like feminist bleeding heart okay I've got that in  me but I also have that like in the back of my mind that conservative man voice and they're like  whispering in your ear like the dark angel on your the natural the na

tural conclusion of this last  word Artemis and we're going to bring in the next guy emis sorry tuna so the answer is um what are  all these social services that Democrats have put in to benefit men may maybe in the last 6 months  and a year has been different but for the last 10 years 20 years what are all these social benefits  for say college hiring um promotion Stu like that what side has the Democratic party been favoring  in exclusively leaving out well they already had it by default bro w

hat do you want what what do  you mean what do I want want bro like what kind of a [ __ ] question is that well you asked  a dumb question to begin with bro like think about what you [ __ ] asked you asked how did  it i'm look I'm G look at the people that were just born 10 years ago and you're telling me that  child had everything he already had that [ __ ] degree are you kidding me 99% of the American  populace needs a degree why you bringing it up like it's a thing I don't have hold on on I'm

I'm  I'm going to make this very clear I don't have a [ __ ] degree I'm an engineer I make 160,000 a  year I don't know why [ __ ] question BR Tres bring back trades yeah yeah that's that's the  whole point the the issue is that we have an entire party that has specifically outlined that  it's going to benefit women and has pushed those policies when the question is what can Democrats  do for men to show that they about men so that they vote for them I stated a thing they could  do to Signal th

ey care about men and then you went why what does that mean they already had  everything I don't [ __ ] understand why you said that you asked that question that is a  [ __ ] [ __ ] statement well you're asking is if the programs aren't already like available  to men they're not name me exclusively male only grants why do men need them when they've  they why do women need them they have been disadvantaged over time well because we have  not anymore but they're not anymore so should we stop femal

e grants no we should get to a point  in this Society where gender doesn't matter Jesus Christ hey actually we actually just all  take mushrooms and we live in a state of psychosis I don't know why you keep bringing  that up lav are you okay today no actually I had diarrhea all [ __ ] day but I go bed your  your your individualistic libertarian views are not even libertarian also it's why nobody's  happy if it works you and helps you with your BPD Sligh but giving that prescription to the  rest

of the world is been good you guys have been giving not you guys laugh has been giving  prescriptions and I'm saying it's not going to be helpful to the new wave of modern women but  thank you for your contribution that is no way benefiting women women who listen to you are  unhappy Britney no that's not true because I'm happy to have no because I'm happy to have  conservatives and progressives getting mad personal is kind of it is get mad how to win over  a constituency that already votes left

why is it that every conversation has to end up how can  we help women more how can we help we're we're literally talking about men not voting and you  guys want more [ __ ] male voters then then the conversation always becomes about the women  always be how can women vote harder how can they vote just even harder I'm just gonna come  in and clarify this was not a panel about uh attracting disaffected male voters this was  a panel about why is the Gin Z disagreeing with each other so much harder

politically did  Wick send me a different message I swear Wick you said the panel was about why do you think  men and women are separately different ideolog ideologically yeah yeah what the [ __ ] was it  about men for it would have been about both well well I think I think how we got to imag we were  letting okay foul stop making me agree with the Socialist I will never stop making you agree but  anyway um reset let's reset I don't I don't look this has been a hard one let's perhaps get Joe  i

n here maybe Joe can say something that will yeah just to check you can actually hear me right  I can hear you yeah okay good good because I'm was a bit confused about how this thing works I  don't do enough panels to actually get a get that no no I think I I think I messaged you saying I  was GNA come in and yell at love but um since I I but since I she came on I've made a list of about  40 different things so we not going pick your top pick your top one okay let let me just go on about  the um

I guess I'll bring up leis Perry and Mary har Harrington cuz I read through Perry's book I  actually do quite like her I think some of what she says is quite misleading but if I'm tearing  up at a point you know I'm going to give it a good review uh Mary Harington no I I dropped that  quite quickly and apologized for spending money on it but um yeah when it comes to my main issue it  seems to me like a lot of what they argue for when it comes to this whole idea of like women being  un happy is

fundamentally very anti-choice like one of the things I think Lis Perry pushes which  I'm just very against is this idea that no fault divorce is a bad thing there's also this tendency  to blame um like here's something I want to bring up because the last time I was on here I tried to  bring up negative aspects about women but nobody paid attention to it um I think toxic femininity  is actually women being way too submissive and agreeable I think that's what I would call toxic  femininity like w

hen we talk about women having bad sexual experiences uncomfortable sexual  experiences I've been chatting to a woman called Jessica pin you might know her as like the crazy  clitoris lady but I think she's got a lot of good points you should try and get her on here she has  one she talks about them she's a queen yeah yeah I think and I I have to sort of some of what she  says is quite cynical but I I have to agree part of it is women are just kind of quite uh pathetic  at voicing what they want

and I feel like this is my show Have you listened to this hold on  Joe Have you listened to this panel at all um I population is of women I think that we are  all probably outliers when it comes to women temperaments look the thing is I I feel like a lot  of the problem women have with um who are cynical about the whole sexual Evolution and stuff like  that is when you bring up stuff like the pill it makes it so we can't say no to sex no you can just  say no to sex that is actually something yo

u can do you're not forced stuck on this I la I think  you're dead wrong I think women have no problem and I think this is evidence from their voting  patterns as well women are very very loud about what they want right they they're very very loud  about what they want um across the board the the outlier is the no and actually Mary Harrington  talks about this is that there is a overarching group of Highly intellectual um like very well-off  women who are the loudest of the female group but not

necessarily uh a good representative of  the female wants of the community um which is I think a lot of the problem um that's true on both  sides right that the extreme is the loudest I get that talk about women expressing what they want  and what they need uh like things that they well I don't think women know what they need I think  they know what they want but whatever Joe I think women like in my experience at least I've never  like I've never had uh any kind of relationship probably because

you submissive and you crave a  dominant woman um but anyway as I was going as I was uh we talked about obviously Joe um I'm  not completely ideologically aligned with uh Louise Perry certainly not Mary herting probably  more Lise Perry than not um but I also [ __ ] I forgot what I was we were talking about [ __ ]  what what they want Jo women who are regretting their sexual experiences and talking about saying  I think women need to be more confident and more assertive I I totally agree I thin

k most of  this is is I think most of this is um shifts culturally rather than shifts like legislatively  I'm pretty happy with where we are legislatively I think they were doing pretty good honestly  I don't think Joe Biden's an awful president what is the conversation of like telling women to  be more vocal like as it pertains to like is that ever gonna happen like are we gonna have that want  to clarify like okay whoa whoa whoa whoa what do we mean when we say more vocal Joe Lewis I'm sorry 

not Joe Le Joe Brooks you were talking about being more vocal sexually bad experiences and then Wick  you mentioned you were talking about people being more vocal women being more vocal when they go to  the voting booth about what they want in terms of politics that was an example no hold on I these  two things are very different right anle because even because even if you have like a woman who is  very intellectual who is very loud and outspoken about what she wants right which I agree is  prob

ably true for a group of that group of women that doesn't necessarily mean that that  woman is going to be more self assured in the bedroom right I remember I remember really quick  before I so you brought up the uh uh anti- choice you brought up bring bringing up anti choice and I  think that that is true about both of these women um and I think personally at least on my value  I know that obviously some people here are going to disagree namely Britney is that she takes a  more individualistic

approach which is fine and I think that um people on my side people like  Louis Perry take a more collectivist approach which I think ultimately of course I think this  because it's my side uh I think is the right way to go like I think that that keeps um our country  as healthy as possible I think the greatest uh bet that we have to move towards something more like  socialism um H yeah that's what I think is more maybe more conservative Society uh a little less  anti- choice for safety right so

I would give up my personal Liberties and freedom for my children  to be safer and happier um a lot of people don't vote like this this is this is the beauty of  America so I think it's just a matter of value the beauty of my Johnson and I'll let you go to  after this uh so $5 from tessal Johnson to say all the women are complaining that the panel is  about men and all the men are complaining that the panel is about women I think we made some  real progress today thank you for the $ five $5 fro

m Artemis fou is that even happening it was ear  not but test testy he's gota he's gota spice it up he's giving me5 so I'm I'm getting the money so  $5 from Artemis sou to say women overwhelmingly defer to their partner's political opinions not  emphasizing their own when it open more agreable want I think that's changing but we'll see I want  to give it to I talk it's not because we see that married women vote more conservatively part their  partners are being Rel being replaced by their social

milu but they are still just as affable  uh Joe the women who are having sex and then are feeling like the sexual encounter wasn't good and  they don't say anything while it's happened but they say something about they're not less vocal  they're more vocal they're talking afterwards a lot lot of people do not know while they while  they're having sex whether or not they are totally cool with it regret is being spoken about in  a different way than it used to be and talks about this Perry talks

about this okay that's  the world that you're that you think that you want is the one that you have now which is the one  where women are openly talking about all of their sexual experiences and thoughts without filter  without really thinking I think a lot of time tuna finish finish tuna yeah without thinking very  often about what the consequences Downstream will be for those men sometimes not caring sometimes  being incentivized to not care by other people because women need to express themse

lves talk  yada y y there's this new like push for women to be more vocal regardless of consequence okay um  because of individualism and progress for progress I just wanna I just want to quickly shoot back to  something I said on the porn panel ages back and I think I'm one of the few people there who was  somewhat anti- pornography you probably not not extremely but given most were Pro I guess I would  put myself antide which was someone brought up anal sex and said you know we don't do it bec

ause  we like it we do it because men like it and I responded that just kind of makes women sound a  bit pathetic to me it does yeah and that's sort of how I feel like it's less like I get you can  have a I've had like a casual sexual experience and felt kind of uncomfortable later on cuz I  met this girl later at a bar and she was talking about stuff I know I could have told her but I  don't remember telling her I was probably too drunk and that just makes me feel kind of weird  cuz she's clear

ly a bit more knowledgeable like more into me than I am but like it just makes  me feel off like I don't like it but that's very different to like a violent r for you know  painful sexual experience like I don't know if I say women are more pathetic but they might just be  more passive like I know passive and pathetic are kind of similar things to a well women are more  passive in general if I were trying to get someone who is really passive to stop being passive which  I've done before I would

only say pathetic in like the craziest circumstances but I think it's best  it's probably just my frustration but I like I like I would start from a much more empathetic well there's well there's another there's another  side of this which I think is interesting which a sorry A aella A A talks about uh which is that  we we we treat women with like a collective like gasp every time they fall off their bike like a  kid um and but also we're also pedling this uh like very your body's yours your bod

y is sacred  simultaneously while saying like go [ __ ] do whatever you want don't be approved don't do  whatever and they're like fundamentally like just they in congruent with each other um so we  either we either need to tell women that rape is less bad or we need to tell them that uh that  having sex with whoever whenever they want it is bad we have to one be sexually liberated while  also being responsible what does liberated mean to be able to just have sex with whoever you  want to consen

s no hold on do you think that women and men are sexually liberated the same way  uh I would imagine the answer is no the answer is no so women women women want different things  they have sex differently than men do men have testosterone they're they're they want different  things from a relationship they want to have sex differently they want to have more sex with more  people women do not want these things women want to pair bond women prefer monogamy women we have  completely different sexua

l proclivities generally not Liberation as preference being able to do  something not being Liberation The Liberation that women are being sold now is to have sex like  men and it is hurting them if they want that's but that's Liberation being able to do as you please  regardless of whoever told you to do it that is freedom that's not that's not Liberation that's  now women are being forced to do things they don't want to do like anal like like like it's it's  completely it's completely because

now there's a social push to not be be against your natural  possible to be sexually free while simultaneously saying hey here are my boundaries I don't want to  go past those boundaries not you're also forget you're forgetting how pathetic women are like Joe  just said and you're forgetting that women are very agreeable and very high openness the solu we  need to treat women like men and we can't do that because women are not men so what you want women  to do is to pull away from G like as a co

llective pull away from sexual Liberation as we know it  in terms of just having sex with you want to whenever instead of saying hey look you can do as  you please but understand that you need to be the one to make those boundaries clear with your voice  women have obviously women have been shown that they cannot do that so so you feel like that's  just hold on hold on I reject this notion that they can't they absolutely can't it's a cultural  effect of the reason you don't know if it's cultural

in fact there's more evidence to suggest  that it's more nature than it is nurture I think it's both I think it's both nature and nurture  but I do think it's possible to communicate to women hey look you can be you can have the CH you  can make the choices you want but you can also you're forgetting you're forgetting that women  like like primate wise like primally are higher agreeableness high openness this could be nurture  but mostly we've seen this throughout all of time no matter what we'

ve seen it in in in uh even even  if you you think that you're even if you think that you're trans even in trans communities we see  that this is true because it's harder for Trans men to assimilate with masculinity than it is for  trans women to assimilate with femininity true values literally the most misogynistic  women I've ever had the displeasure to listen to hello I'm yep yep yep yep I  can already tell that you're estrogenic kill yourself go ahead oh yes yes  very estrogenic as if that m

atters allely can sayic this is estrogenic fat distribution I can already see  your hard line on the hardine you know you'd be happier if you had less do you  want to listen to men because Wick is talking to you no not weak men not betas wait a you got  you can't just dis the man run in the [ __ ] shoot that is so crazy but she does that she  thinks she can move into femininity look how much he loves it Wick you got to slap your feet  down and do something you he caves it men C dominant women th

ey're like workhorses wait  shut down what's gonna happen here is we're going to let our guest who called in uh what's  your name sour L we're gonna let him have his say and then we're going to respond to sour lemon  here and then uh we're probably going to end the panel because we're out of colors so sour lemon  give us what you got so this this will probably wind up being uh more politically Centric cuz  that's what I care about but it is related um and I I will start though by saying uh I sev

erely  dislike any sort of conflation with liberal values with leftist values and socialist values because  they're extremely distinct and as a socialist I absolutely despise the Democratic party they're  the [ __ ] worst uh cut a liberal and a fascist bleeds uh Jesus Christ uh never vote for the  Republican party of course but the Democratic party is uh God awful uh all of their policies  okay so you think the Democrats are awful never vote for Republicans so what's the answer to you  not vote

uh my answer is I will vote how I please on Election Day voting is the most important  least consequential thing that you can do um but in in terms of the 2024 election I have no  plans uh to vote at least in the primary for Joe Biden uh I plan to vote for different I'm talking  general election general election day hold on just if I may the general election day comes around  okay the choices more more are looking like you have two you have two realistic choices you have  Trump and you have Bide

n okay on the one hand uh you're going to get that's all I needed thank  you fair enough it's it's not an easy choice I hate him uh he's allowing a genocide to happen  in Palestine but oh [ __ ] God you you're this is your brain on microplastics this is your brain  on microp uh well we we don't need to thousand a long time in a long the chemical talk and  and the analogies that you want this is what lab is talking about when she's saying  estrogenic perpetually dissatisfied not tactically rooted

ohfree of absurdity cut  a liberal in a fascist baded you know what happens the feminine the feminine L of your voice  is very you can tell that you have been low on the male social hierarchy I can try and defend  r a fascist bleeds if I want to but that's not chook Theory please I just have a question for  you nothing comes out because they're not they don't matter s sour I have a question for you  you said that me Britney lav and Allison were some of the most misogynistic women that no no  no

I said lav is just just laugh not you guys did you have any problems with anything that we  said problems I mean I might have problems here and there but not overwhelmingly or not to any  significant degree okay the women just fine so that's an interesting delineation um really quick  when you're talking about this like this idea of like leftist versus liberals and like labs and  misogynist and what is the primary thing that you think that the left should do to court men  since we're talking ab

out politics and men and and sexism and all that what do you do you think  yeah collectivization of the economy um we need to support materially people uh and when we do that  everybody regardless of if they're men or women will vote correspondingly if you message that you  are going to help people economically financially and if you message that you're going to give them  freedoms then they are going to vote for you in my mind there is not there are obviously misogynistic  policies happening su

ch as the uh re getting rid of roie Wade but uh in my mind the the most there  is not a significant delineation between how men and women care about what happens in politically  because they care about being economically uh stable they care about having good lives and they  care about being right way to cater to Young they did it different ways they want it different way  we got a lot of people want in we got a lot of people want to respond this is the order we're  going to go to my question is

if I okay we're gonna we're gonna get Toon chip we're gonna go tun  chip Rashad and then we're gonna go to um everyone else uh so T ship Rashad second uh second half  of that are you willing to close the border in order to make it so that men feel economically  supported this is actually a very significant thing that I wanted to [ __ ] rail into everybody  here who was spoken on immigration about closing the border is not the answer to immigration  uh illegal immigration does depress wages but t

hat to counterbalance that uh the answer is  to legally integrate them into society so that they stop being given jobs for lower than minimum  wage the the the wage can be depressed and if you stop bringing in illegal immigrants you are uh  completely destroying the agricultural economy of the United States of America which thrives  on illegal Labor uh there's like like 70% of agricultural workers no it's a bad thing they  can't yeah they can't be unionized if they're if they're not citizens I'm

saying don't get rid  of them make them citizens because if you get rid of them you're destroying the agricultural  economy 70% of agricultural workers are illegal immigrants yeah you're making you're making  jobs for people who are born here who are uh dissatisfied and can't get jobs otherwise I this  is not making I don't I'm not sure what what you mean by that you are notat taking taking you are  not taking or giving away jobs by trying to close down the if we live in a socialist society  wh

ich I'm sure is what you want how are we going to make up so much money and obviously if  we give free healthcare to everyone especially immigrants like California is what stops an a  huge influx of people for coming and where's that money coming from how are we going to pay  for all that we already have more than enough money flowing through our economy to pay for all  that and can say I can say tax billionaires which is true I can also say nationalize uh our uh  finish you gota let them finish

his point also say nationalize our in elastic Industries this  is just ridiculous because especially the tax billionaires thing makes me this is why the tax  a billionaires thing is [ __ ] because a lot of leftists especially socialists are just like we  should just tax Elon Musk and and Jeff bezos's you know uh 30% of what they earn but you don't  even understand that most of their assets are not money that is readily available in [ __ ] you can  tax those assets that's not impossible no you t

ax you have public companies so you're not oh my God  that's you that's not impossible to T this is what that's you're woman if a woman dates you she's  a lesbian if a woman dates you she's a lesbian and good honor can I check really quick so we're  talking we can say things we can say things we can say things but in order to make that unions exist  and people are actually moving towards policies like you want making a viable political party  for the left that isn't the Democrats that that does

start with like less immigration that does  start with it doesn't it doesn't start with less immigration no it doesn't no yes it does okay so  if people can't unionize because they can always be busted because there's infinite replaceable  labor how are you going to stop that you uh make the companies who are hiring illegal immigrants  responsible for the fact that they are importing immigrants to work for them this is like an  actually real thing that they're doing companies are importing illeg

al immigrants to work for them  who who makes them responsible the the government this literally what the government why would the  government ever care unless you create an actual left party that would hold them accountable and  that's the problem and this is why I hate the Democratic party because they are capitalists they  love Capital they will never Implement policy how do how do you make an opposition party if youbody  unionize you you have to organize from the ground Grassroots movements

yada y y I look the this has  not been my intention is to argue how to create a viable leftist Party Fair there were just some  things I wanted to address with what had want give some other people before we let you go I  want to get some other people to have their say um and on what you've been saying I want to give  it to Rashad and Alison the fairy queen and oh no surrender any point I've had you're GNA surrender  at any point you have okay you're surrendering your time to laugh I'm letting yo

u know 100% yeah  lad take take the am I oh was he going first no you got it okay uh how do you um why do you I  want to know in your own words why you think the overturning of roie Wade is misogynistic because  it takes away with wom's bodily autonomy for what purpose because they didn't want because they're  women so what do you think misogyny is misogyny is anything that is against uh equality for women  no so it's distaste for women oh right you have you have you have no so it's not equality

right  because we the Sexes are never going to be equal men can't get pregnant yeah and I'm sure if men if  men could get pregnant there would be a roie way that stop them from having abortions it's not the  fact that it's women that are having the abortions it's the fact that babies are dying so that's not  misog that difference is precisely why we need roie Wade in place because they can get pregnant  and they should have the right to their own bot I agree with you I just think it's annoying

that  you said misogyny because I think that people like you overuse misogyny and it's why people on  the conservative side don't listen to us I I I don't know I think there's a lot of things that  you've said in this when you it's like when you say genocide it's like when you say genocide  it takes away the fact that there are actual genocides happening and I'm sorry that you don't  recognize a genocide while it's happening that's my I guess that's my don't recognize I'm not even  gonna ask you

what a genocide is but it's like the boy who cried wolf right so the conservatives  are less likely to agree with us then this goes back to the the uh you know the idea of the  whole panel is that when we are reactionary to each other there's less common ground and we work  worse together right so you can't use emotionally loaded language like that especially as a man  it comes off his very annoying I whatever don't let her lecture youo I I don't give a [ __ ] if  conservative with me I want to

make their lives better regardless healthc care for all you have  to get them agree with you to vote collectively [ __ ] if I can't convince them to vote for me by  giving them policies that I am explaining to them how it will materially benefit un explaining  to them on them it's over for them if you're the one explaining it to them it's over okay you  feel that way fine I'm not I'm not that great at people anyway you've already used two words  wrong and it's been [ __ ] 10 minutes why you got

ta be so why you look you only think I use  genci you don't know anything when I'm man I'm the man hater um so uh one of the the first thing  that I heard when I walked into this conversation was or in the listening to this uh was something  about uh people being pressured into dating within your political group and I don't think that that's  accurate to say that people are being pressured to date within their political group I think people  date within their political group because those ideolo

gical disagreements are substantive uh that  you cannot it's it is difficult to get along with somebody that is your ideological opponent uh you  like it it represents you having fundamentally different values that's also true but there  is a more puritanical culture out there in the zeit we we are uh more we are less tolerant  of differences than we have been for a very very long time I won't say ever right because it's  much easier now to be less tolerant we do not have to work with someone or

be with someone or  even interact with someone who disagrees with us we can just block them and they go away Wick  when did that happen like when did it happen social media social media I was literally did it  happen after segregation or before did it happen just during the women's like Liberation movement  or did it happen no I'm this is very recently this is so so you think Up Until then people had been  getting along no they had been fighting but it's a substantively different level and a su

b we have  different tools to do it which we lacked before so for example before even when you fought even  during the' 60s you had to live together right like you had interact with the community you went  to the same schools churches no that's not true my mom was in one of the first desegregated schools  in Detroit like you weren't living together until you had to I understand look I this it's it's not  it's not a new phenomenon it's just an exacerbated phenomenon it's something that has went f

rom  like before it did happen now it happens in in a much greater intervals and also it's easier  to do right you're describing the internet and I don't think it's symmetric I don't think it's  all groups that are equally showing a new found distaste for ideologic diversity it seems like the  group that okay with love that I've been harping on my liberal women friends seems like they have  the the highest level of distaste for ideological diversity they are the least likely to be able to  toler

ate somebody with like dramatically Divergent views from there on okay can I ask a question  like I maybe it's just because of my bubble but like I have very concern conservative Trump voting  relatives like my family is veryy all of them like when we have din well they're your family though  you can't choose them you love them anyway but how many friends do you have that are like trumpers um  that you aren't related to that you didn't a few yeah I have very diverse I'm not I'm an anomaly  I lik

e everybody but like that's you know cuz I look at the person as a Consciousness like I think  you're a soul so like your voting habits are from your like what you've digested as like a child  moving into adulthood so I think like that's the reason I can have diverse friends but that's what  I'm saying like we're not accepting that the world isn't you so when we say like this is my solution  for the world you keep making it about you not you you but like we keep making it about the you  that we

imagine women are like this men are like this and I'm like people are so diverse in Nuance  like why aren't we acknowledging like people are real and they're having real lived experiences  whether they're men or women I think that it's important and I do want to push back on like what  you said um something what you said earlier sour so it is certainly true that like if you have a  partner that is ideologically different than you you probably are going to fight more right you're  probably aren't

going to get along more with them and it's probably you probably prefer to date  somebody who is more ideologically aligned to you however right the idea and this is something  that frustrates me a lot in these conversations is that we treat like talking about like who we  choose as a partner completely in a vacuum it's about my values and your values how do you as an  individual fit with me as an individual and that's the conversation that we have about dating that's  not entirely true people

absolutely make decisions about who they choose to date who they choose  to marry who they choose to be their friends based off of how their social group interacts and  how they react to them and that's not just about politics it's also about class and it's about  money so a good example of this like this is a an anti more of an anti-red pill talking point  like the idea that like you can be if you come from a family that is an old money like wealthy  family background you can't date somebody th

at like has a that is comes to the dinner table  and their with their Lamborghini like slams their pinky ring on the table and talks about how  many [ __ ] banged last week for instance right because if you do that your father is going to be  incredibly angry right and he's not going to want your boyfriend to come back to Thanksgiving the  next week but the same thing is true with like politics right if you bring as a liberal woman  your super duper conservative Trumper boyfriend to the Socialis

t leftist friends giving to sit  down with him your socialist leftist friends at that at that Gathering are not going to be happy  about the person that you bring by and you may like to date that person but you will get endless  reams of [ __ ] for dating him and it will be very difficult for you to date him as a consequence I  think that like we really undervalue the impact that our families and that our friends have on who  we choose to date and why we choose to marry them the impact humans cr

ave assimilation like humans  crave Oneness and assimilation and collectivism okay I AG with that do you got anything else  uh that was fair um so uh be brief because uh we back thing is that a lot of the reason why uh  men I forget like what exactly was happening in the conversation um at the time uh but I said  men perceive disenfranchisement because all they've known is franchisement so like when men  feel like they're being shafted by the system it's not actually the system shafting them it'

s  that the system is increasing its accessibility to other people and because men have historically  been the privileged class class within the system that uh losing of their franchisement to to  give to other people is causing them to feel like they're being disenfranchised yeah but  we're talking about different generations of men though right like the generation of men that  had it all laid out in front of them is not the same generation of men we're talking about now  which is Gen Z right l

ike gen Z has a completely different set of problems and social obstacles  than Boomer sitting on top of generational and generational wealth and all this money they  built that men still are uh franchised more so than other populations of people what domain  is in the social domain women are more accepted than men inside of the workplace depending on  which job it is men are more accepted than women women are more accepted than men in some other  plac the the this idea that like the people that

are in education that the men feel like they  fit in more even though the statistics say that men are dropping out more than ever like  we're we're harping too much on this idea and that that men have been permanently enfranchised  and we will never start to feel like we've been ousted from from from new domains like they they  don't want to be a part of the left because the left has historically not been a good place for  men like that's not true that's actually exactly what I want to push bac

k on the left is a good  place for men the left consistently advocates for things that are good for men especially  economically uh the men in or the left uh in terms of like personal betterment always says  the same things that uh similarly right-wing people say such as like work out better yourself  I fully believe that everybody can be a seven uh if you just make yourself look better never SE  could never be a seven hold up let me let me push back on that real quick can I can I you  will get

called rapy like for like sending a text at night while you're drunk like that's a  you are you are crazy that's actually the case the left even if that's not the norm for the  left that is something that never happens on the right you have to see like what we're because  the right normalizes men's sexual assault sexually assaulting hold on let me get in out for the  rest of your life hold up hold up the left is not in any way shape or form making any advice  to men outside of just being nice ju

st be a good person like when speaks to men it automatically  comes from a place of like you stabbed your wife didn't you you beat your wife that is literally  untr actually speaks to people's ignorance of what Le people say what of assuming that if  they're not successful with women something is wrong with them or maybe they're a bad person  it doesn't start with bro you're fat as [ __ ] oh by the way you're broke as [ __ ] or you don't  dress well or you don't do like we never start by just lo

oking men just honestly and saying bro  you are a bum it starts with hey be nice be kind most of these guys aren't [ __ ] they just don't  know what the [ __ ] they're doing and when the left sits there and avoids being honest like yeah  height muscle money these things matter to women it becom it becomes really really easy for like  Andrew Tate and the red project what women feel matter women this this is what I'm talking about  when we play the Fantasy game with men it becomes really easy for

the red pill to get the lives  in a fantasy Britney does not live reality let me get real quick women care about height women  do care about size women care about muscle women care about money women care about status they  care about all these things and that's okay it's perfectly fine I have nothing wrong with that the  problem we have is when we lie to young men and say women aren't worried about that they go out  into the dating World they realize how wrong that is and then they're like okay

well where do I go  from here because the left is bullshitting me and the rightwing although they are talking about  crazy conspiracy theories are offering reality it becomes obvious to me okay hold on wa I agree  with you that women care about those things but Andrew hubman referenced this really great study  if I don't know if you guys you follow Andrew but he talks about he's a neuroscientist he literally  talks about how kindness is at the top of those wants overall for everyone men and wome

n yeah but  you already have to be attractive you I AG with you I I want to talk to Rashad because I feel  like him and I are going to have a lot more in common in terms of talking okay is someone with  eight brothers I'm worried about them okay but I feel like when I think about their needs I am  aware that they need everyone they all need to be talked to different because they're different  kinds of people you feel me so like this idea that we're all going talk to men and women the same is  ju

st like aggravating La literally breathe girl it's not all about you I know I can't I know  but like that's the problem I listen if you don't like my Solutions that's fine I don't like  yours either cool right relax I want to react to you get over it I believe in the collective do  do your four square breathing do your do your your DBT and deal with this is this is why you're  so blocked okay all of you all you stop I promise I really want to talk to you Britney again let  Britney get it out we'

re gonna let Britney get her whole thought out and then after she gets  her whole thought out you can respond to it I promise you and then you can have all the reaction  you want and then we're going let we're going to say goodbye sour lemon and get our last guest on  so Britney finish your thought then we can have some responses Britney thank you I agree humans  need purpose meaning and a true understanding of themselves to be good participants in society to  run as a as a like cohesive Collect

ive right I believe in society which means I believe in a  collective but that Collective is made out of individuals who all need unique help who all  need unique attention so when a man comes to me and says I need your help I need to literally  look at him and say what do you need because if I look at him and say well oh men just need this  here's your prescription and then he looks at and goes well I'm autistic and and I'm Nur diversion  and actually this doesn't fit my mold and now I'm very c

onfused or I'm actually neurotypical and  this doesn't fit my mold either we're running into the same problem over and over again right  and with ADHD and autism On The Rise we need to pay more attention to the changes I want to push  back a little bit though because I think young men are kind of saying like look we're telling  you what's wrong with us we're being vulnerable with our partners and it's not working we're  we're we're having all these like we're having all these social and relation

ship issues and y'all  are kind of like either not wanting to talk to us or telling us stuff that's not really working  we're telling you exactly what we're dealing with now of course we have individual young  men that have their own situations going on but young men as a young gen Z Collective are  literally showing with the media they consume these [ __ ] are saying exactly what we want  to hear in terms of advice so I think that when we look at what young men are saying it's okay  to have a m

ore collectivist approach because I think the young men who have more specific issues  will probably solve that themselves but what it's really really clear that collectively young men  are struggling with with social uh interactions romantic interactions uh and those seem to be the  two biggest ones young men are hyping up about the most the economic and educationally they seem  to be really quiet about that but the other sub they seem to be hyping up the most and I think  that we can answer th

at from a more collectivist perspective okay Allison has wanting to get in  Allison's been wanting to we're gonna give it to her and yeah um okay bouncing off for shot a  little bit when you're like they won't be honest with these men they gas up these men they just  like blow smoke up the asses of these men and they reject it and that's why they go rightwing  like there's an argument made often times and this is kind of this is a proposed hypothesis  to the earlier statement I'm sorry I just wa

nt to say this out loud to you guys if Andrew Tate  is the kind of man that men as a collective are turning to for advice and he teaches individualism  and pulling yourself out by your bootstraps then how is the collective narrative ever going  to help these men if they literally are told we have to do it ourselves we have to get our own  bugat IES these are the men they want advice from and we're giving them opposite advice like they  keep telling us their problems but they find all male spaces

to help them with those problems and  then they make fun of women for needing Collective groups or they make fun of gay guys for needing  Collective groups or they make fun of other men for needing Collective groups so I'm a little  confused like are the men who want Andrew Tate actually the men we're targeting here because they  want to be with Andrew Tate and if we help them that kind of contradicts Andrew Ates [ __ ] ideaa  of pulling yourself up by your bootstraps how are you asking for lik

e help without asking for help  without asking for help really really receptive to that kind of talk and I think a lot of guys  over in the military can relate like when you go to basic training you get told like look you can  only do the X amount of push-ups you are a [ __ ] loser you are a bum it's that kind of like I don't  think men are masochistic but I think men military description men want you to tell them what the  [ __ ] is wrong I think men are not as afraid of being told what is wron

g as we tend to think  and I think that liberals although we do tend to be really compassionate and empathetic young  men are saying look like bro if we're dressing like [ __ ] tell us if we're not like if we're  not socializing properly tell us I think young men are being really really I said this like men  were workhorses you looked at me like I was [ __ ] crazy rad um also I have question for you probably  that's probably true I also have a question do you think your place specifically moving

through  the world as a black man that you think that you feel that even more from the left like do you  think that they try to coddle you even more uh I think I don't think the left tries to coddle too  much I think they're like really I think they're as empathetic as people are probably going to  get for the black struggle in America but I don't think that um think it's helpful like their  prescriptions are helpful though because it's very gentle like parenting it's very gentle very like  the

re are some there are some reality checks the black community definitely needs um the the right  wing is definitely more prompted to you say what such as well for example we have a massive crime  problem and we seem to be completely comfortable with kind of like kind of overlooking that on the  left and black people are the main on suffering from it you wonder why so many young black men  have paranoia why so many young black men are ruthless to each other when you come out into a  community whe

re there's so much crime like it's it it starts a cycle and I think that we're not  approaching that from the left with a like look we have a crime problem let's address it let's get  a little bit more aggressive with the sentencing for violent crime let's a little more realistic I  I have to push back on this immediately first of liberalism or liberals shut up black guy he has  the answers Liber here listen I I'm not I'm not going to say that your experience is somebody  or a black person's exp

erience growing up in a neighborhood full of crime is necessarily  wrong I'm going to try and explain how that comes about and the solutions to that so first  of all not M first of my God liberals uh are actually extremely hard on crime this is why  I hate liberal this is one of the reasons why I hate liberalism Democratic party actually loves  funding the police um but second of all the reason there's a lot of crime in Black communities Pro  predominantly is socioeconomic issues uh it is histor

ically true consistently poverty is linked  to Crime every single time and when you are a black person who grew up in a black community  where historically for Generations centuries uh you have been systemically reduced  to effectively nothing and you have no access small correction small correction it's  not the poor people that are committing the crime it's people go to poor communities to commit  crime because they are underp policed they are underserved they have less uh institutional  defen

ses right they are victims of crime to a much higher degree they are not perpetrators of  crime to a much higher degree because they it's different crimes also different crime so like  white people create more white color we have we do have to move this along we do have to move this  along so sour I will I love you oh he's going but yeah he's gonna go oh that's that's too bad that's  too [ __ ] bad we I want him I want to be I would love to have sour on next week I'm gonna I'm gonna  DM him I'd

love to have sour on next week and I will I will make sure that you guys are there you  ruined the white splaining moment you know that right that was look that's what that's what I was  talking about there like there like that is what I see my view of the left is that that literally  we had we had one there Wick I'm not gonna lie we had it right there we should have kept it I'm not  gonna lie yeah no well I want to I want to keep I want to keep people's I this is going longer than  I usually do

right so I want I want to make sure no one's uh uh and we do have one last guest um my  friend uh go ahead hello can you hear me y you're yep hey sorry um just quick little I'm I'm working  so just little quick little comment um to Joe Brooks about like women's assertiveness and uh he  sort of convinced me that's more of a human thing but my opinion is I think women are much more  assertive towards guys they don't like like and much less assertive towards guys they're attracted  to they sort of

like adopt their partn beliefs is that my Bas do you guys sort of agree with that  disagree or well women I I don't know I they're definitely higher agreeable higher openness  obviously you would see more of that if you're liked because women also like to assimilate so if  if you're liked then yeah if you're attracted to someone also I don't know if you've heard like the  meme it's going around right now but like a woman if she's trying to date you will like go through  your Instagram likes and

your Twitter likes and like literally like learn your birthday your  favorite music your favorite everything like stalk you and then like become this like perfect image  of you that is that seems to be like a very female thing that's really a stereotype in TV shows  growing up that men would do that to women it's in media it's story like the whole CV like is that  point that sure actually you know what I'm I don't even know why we're having this because men and  women are actually the exact sam

e thing men and women are the exact same they actually there's no  difference biologically and everything I'm saying is actually [ __ ] insane because I'm on bath  salts I'm on drugs right now so my bad yeah the the type of that make you IGN as opposed to the  ones that make you in Life's a level five I'm a level one and I don't know if I'll ever get there  but there might be something to the idea that men used to do that kind of stuff more because they  were the Chasers because like women were

sexually gatekeeping a lot um now arguably it's women who  are chasing commitment more like the fim cell is not a woman who can't get laid it's a woman  who can't get commitment like arguably women are chasing that like chasing a man's desire to  like lock her down basically make her more than like a [ __ ] buddy basically it's like the seual  revolution has changed the like Chaser Dynamic yeah also just have always had more influence on  everybody's opinion no matter sex One Direction or anothe

r and why I'm an influencer but go what  did you say well that's why you're so influential that's true and that's also I'm not going to we  we'll we'll leave it that um but like if you're attracted to your partner we do have this innate  thing in the back of our head where we're like well people that believe good things good things  happen to them and that's why they're sexy they were a sexy person wouldn't have a bad idea yeah  but it's been fun talking to you we're let fairy queen we're gonna

let fairy queen get the last  word in um and and get us uh tie this up in a bow and then we're gonna we're GNA leave and gang  remember 6 p.m not I'm sorry not 6 p.m. Eastern no that was wrong 2: p.m. Eastern tomorrow we're  going to have Destiny and no opinion on again no opinion right substacks when the the the largest  substack uh persons out there uh not going to talk to you politics but anyway fa queen go all right  so I will drop this link in our group chat if you guys care to like look at

this article like later  and this is something that I want to ask the panel because I hear these types of like because this  is not the first time where I've heard like a group of people say that we really need to get men  more involved with the left right we really need to appeal to men's emotions we need to appeal to  what men want we need to make these policies you know more amendable to men and like we've been  discussing all night like how to do that and how to achieve that if that's a goo

d thing like why  it's a good thing and I want to introduce the idea that in some contexts it may not always be  a good thing to try to make a policy or to try to make something Equitable to both men and women and  why I think it is important in some contexts um perhaps to have some um policies or some programs  that are specifically directed at women and are not equally directed towards men and women um I  don't know what research actually validates this this the man the person who wrote this a

rticle  his name is Lundy bankof he was he was a person who worked with um domestic um abusers for over  TW for years and years he wrote a book in the 90s that was called why does he do that where he's  psychologically profiles um men who have who have statistically committed um uh who have committed  like EXT extreme domestic violence crimes against their wives one of the things that he complains  about in this article towards the bottom is he complains about the de genderization degendering  u

m The Battered W the battered women's movement today we do not have a battered women's movement  we do not have an abused women's movement we have a domestic violence uh Pro we have domestic  violence programs we have um domestic violence shelters and he specifically complains in this  article about the fact that many domestic violence shelters have actually opened their doors to  include both men and women which I realize flies in the face of like what we typically say  on these panels which is

that isn't it terrible that there are so many domestic violence shelters  that do not allow men to go that you do not have a place to go right um but what he specifically  states that when we dender um discussing domestic violence that this actually according to him has  had a huge negative impact upon women's rights and I will tell you that many of the appeals that  are often made to be inclusive of men on the left I don't know if all of those are positive to women  so I'll give you another ex

ample so it's often the case where women will come onto these panels and  they will talk about like um experiences of being sexually violated fears of being alone with men  fears of like having like U sending their child I've had this conversation with Wick a couple of  times the idea of sending like your five-year-old son into a school not that I'm scary to be clear I  just want to make sure it wasn't well to be clear to an all male Leed so all janitors all ad all  Administration all teachers a

ll men and like the idea and and the and when you push back and when  you say things like well men commit violence at like higher rates men are more likely to commit  sexual assault you immediately get pushed back right you immediately told that you're a bigot  because after all women also sometimes commit sexual assault right and isn't it terrible to men  and aren't you stigmatizing men there are many liberal left leading people who when you talk  about this who you talk about the genuine fear

that you have for the safety of yourself and for  your kids why you do not want to have men in your spaces in specific instances you are immediately  met with a ton of push back and this is done by the way in the name of being more inclusive of  men of considering men of considering men's mental health and worrying about we stigmatizing men  we really need to bring them in but the cost of that the cost of like this rhetoric could be and  I think has been that it will that It ultimately will wind

up with sacrificing the rights and the  safety of women in some instances right I don't want to be in a situation where I say I don't want  to have a male provider I don't feel comfortable hiring a male nanny I don't want to have a male  esthetician when I go to get a Brazilian wax and then to be met and then to be met immediately with  well but hang on like do you really think that men are so much worse than women like shouldn't we be  able and this is the sort of stuff that you hear as a libe

ral woman from Liberal people not wanting  a male Manny right I again I'll push back on that all day um that's ridiculous that's ridiculous men  have such higher pedophilia rates it's insane I don't know why you would push back on that we're  going to have to have a discussion another day on that because there's plenty of reasons me and we  and fairy hash this out before we hashed this out many times this out before me and you haven't  but there's there's reason to believe that the data is just

Incorrect and I'll I can I can uh go  real quick on that is that again uh men's sexual assaults are taken less seriously especially when  they're done by women right they're much less likely to be taken seriously much less likely  to be reported women get away with it they're underreported um and so while yes the reported but  we can have we can have a discussion another day I do want to end this though because I'm hungry  and I saw Allison eating pizza and I want pizza too anyway I will talk to

you guys later um again  we're going to rate out we'll go to uh speaking of not ostracizing men we're going to go to a  relevant the king incel himself and uh so yeah uh make sure you let them know that this is a hate  raid okay and um I I really enjoyed the discussion thank you all for being here we'll see you guys  tomorrow bye peace out you know I did not realize it was going to be like a political debate  even as I was reading the data I just always see these things as like social issues so

even if  you're like I didn't see it as like people trying to get people to vote a certain way like my brain  doesn't give a [ __ ] how you vote bro cuz like at the end you vote I mean I give a [ __ ] how you  vote but like you vote as a reflection of your understanding of your own values and needs so I  was like oh and so I just didn't expect the panel I think to go in that particular direction but as  you guys know ultimately sociey is the collective and Society is diverse so the collective h

as  different needs and those different needs also have different individuals with different  micro needs so ultimately you know what I mean oh so ultimately I want people to have a good  experience while they're here on Earth for a limited amount of time and I want them to find  their joy and if you find that Joy whether it's in politics or outside of it great if you find  that joy as a conservative or as a leftist great if you find that joy as a Muslim or Catholic  great if you find that Joy g

reat love that do that I really think finding your joy leads  you furthest from Evil that construct of evil which ultimately makes you better Society  or member of society I don't think joyful people kill and rape people I don't believe that  joyful people hurt people right so governments are not people governments are entities and  so governments might murder and kill people but I think individuals that are joyful don't  do that um so obious L I don't care if you're a Muslim or if you're a man

or if you're black  or if you're whatever cuz if you're joyful you would be chill and we're going to get along and  I think fear is what makes people afraid of each other and fear is what makes you crazy and fear  is what makes you kill people preemptively because you're worried about what they'll do and fear is  what makes you prison in PE imprison people um unjustly because you're afraid of what they'll  do and discriminating makes you it's all fear dude so ultimately like good discussion and 

all that bro but also damn exhausting gamer says government shouldn't kill people either  I mean obviously not but also that's a very different game right and I do think governments  are reflections of the collective and what we allow I think the world is perfect the way it  is because it's exactly what it wants it to be at the state in history we are living history as  much as that makes people want to kill themselves that's what you are dude you are just another  number in a history book that

will refer to you as the population that existed like here  and then and when that's what you [ __ ] are so if you want to spend your limited time on  Earth fighting governments you do you right if you want to spend your limited time on Earth  being you know whoever you do you right you do you just Discord said what do you feel like you  gain from these panels are you looking to get extra eyes on your content spread your message  are they just fun why do you delve into these storms genuinely cu

rious well I don't usually  do political panels for the record I like social commentary I think Rashad and I are going to have  really good conversations about men's issues and if he talks to me like a person which I think he  will we'll have a really good convo about it um I actually want to prove my work by having these  discussions because sometimes when people hear me talk solo and they don't see the bubbles in  action they think I'm just like talking about woooo stuff but like was this not

a good example  of bubbles does this not prove my narrative that we all exist within Bubbles and we think these  things are real so as much as the audience thinks oh like we know what bubbles are there are  new people every day coming into my content and I want to have a bigger audience because I  want to make sure this is my job forever which means I want to introduce this idea to people  but they have to see it it in action so it's a great way to meet other communities and it's a  good way to

snatch a couple people from their communities make ours bigger but ultimately this  is my example of a bubble we just saw a bunch of bubbles yelling at each other and then one of  them in particular which I will not interact further on lav is officially banned I'm not doing  panels with lav I'd rather not be on panels I'd rather just keep posting my own she's such a  disingenuous like thinker and I just think it's like a waste of everyone's time to have her on a  panel and I think they only brin

g her on because she's like clickbait and I I think as a woman  if you want to be a pikme and a debate cuz you want to be clickbait girl that's your decision  girl but I am just so glad that I am not the reason people watch streams because they know  I'm going to lose it on stream but I do think that's why they watch live and that's [ __ ] sad  like that's [ __ ] sad and I just don't want to be a part of that because I think she plays into  it I do she goes so personal she tries to trigger you o

n Purpose By going personal which is such  such such a like sad thing to do but I think it makes sense because I do obviously think she's  um not in her joy and so she's obviously thinking it's within reason like look it's not within my  values to go for personal in that particular way but it's obviously within hers which means  she's an unsafe person she doesn't have an like a value system that I can follow right so I  just can't engage with that behavior but you know um you and Lavone historic

ally do not get along no  we did get along but if you but she chooses not to get along with people there is a panel of me and  her and aai getting along just fine we're getting along I'm happy to get along with people but  she is too mean like not mean and like a oh she called me fat but like she's too inconsistent and  cruel and I don't think she's reflecting her real values if you have real values I can get along  with you if you don't have real values I'm not going to get along with you you k

now what I mean  like if you have a true passion and a value system that speaks to you I'm here for it I want to learn  about it I want to dive into it I want to explore it I don't even care if we agree because I think  we all live in bubbles I don't need to agree with you my work is predicated on us not believing my  work says it is necessary that we do not agree in order for us to all live a joyful life but it is  also necessary for us to live in proper societies that allow us to agree within

our societies so my  work is literally saying don't agree with me tell me who you are and why you're that way and I  don't think she knows I just don't think she knows who she is I don't even think she knows why  she thinks what she's doing you know what I mean yeah turbo says she's the kid that purposely gets  on your nerves and asks why you're upset with them oh absolutely absolutely yeah the hope is to  trigger you and then they can point the finger at you and say like see how you're triggere

d  I've had this technique used on me plenty of times in my life I know it when I see it and I  think those people are absolutely Psychopaths I feel like and not literally but kind of like I  think you have to be a pretty [ __ ] up person to do that to someone like I think you have to  be kind of like you know when people describe a bully I think that's what they mean when I  describe a bully I mean somebody who's like not had enough like regulation and is like kind  of picking on someone and bu

llying someone but I think that is what a real bully is is somebody  who like tries to be cruel to you and then laugh at you for being sensitive to their cruelty so I  think that's you know what I mean that's what it is and so I think um yeah yeah I think that  lab is like incredibly cruel and I think she does it because like she obviously wasn't loved  as a child you know what I mean or something or she's a psychopath yeah mellian it's very  cruel it's like look I can be mean I can be a bully b

ut I would never on purpose try to  [ __ ] trigger someone like that's so cruel to bring up my borderline and to bring up my  stuff like I get it she's in love with me she's obviously flirting with me Bros she obviously  [ __ ] wants me bro no she obviously is like very insecure I get it um but yeah I don't  like humans like that I think they evolved and they're Mal adap and I think it's fine and  I've accepted it but man n dude not good for my skin bro look at my skin I'm not even wearing  Foun

dation today girls I'm not even wearing Foundation okay I've got this little  thing here that's always got issues but otherwise like got a little  blush on my face okay I've got a little scarring from my teen years but  like okay not good for your face you know Chelsea says I just discovered you when  you you made your video reacting to Jake J's video about Ethan's Health journey I love the  way you articulate you're so passionate there we go baby that's who we need in the community  bro we need

good people in the community that are open to discussion and disagreement but not  cruel unnecessary bullying I thought I was pretty nice to Jak do little but I'm sure it's pretty  heavy you know what I mean to handle the the criticism that he got at the rate he did you  know um on Discord says sorry I wanted to I let you all down I wanted to call in no that's  okay like no biggie next time I do a wick panel though guys you can always just like think about  it cuz I think he usually does Callin

s afterwards so you guys are welcome to call in but you  don't have to you know um yeah Discord says I don't mind political panels occasionally but  [ __ ] La she's just looking for attention well that's the point she is and I just can't give  it to her she is looking for attention and I just can't give it to her it's too exhausting I  have more important people in my life that need my attention La is looking for attention and  I just genuinely can't give it to her she's like the little girl at

the birthday party who's  like it's not her birthday party but she makes it about her I can't she doesn't let anyone else  be the main character you know I've talked about this before with friendship groups but the good  part about having so many siblings is I really grew up learning like you're not always the main  character like you're always the main character but it's not always about you so like learn to  celebrate other people other than yourself and I don't think lav learned how to do tha

t you  know I don't think lav has picked up the skill to celebrate other people and I think that's  probably her major issue like I'm so lucky I grew up with so many siblings cuz you really like  you celebrate them you love them you really like like you let them have their [ __ ] moments dude  you know even when you talk over each other like I can't tell you how many siblings and I have  had like discussions like this and then we'll be talking over each other too much and like hey  hey let him t

alk let him talk you know and it's like it's it's and to encourage everyone to be  like let them have their moment yeah and I think that's a skill you got to learn in life you got  to learn to give people their moment uh era says in every moment she brought up your borderline I  was looking at you hoping you were able to keep your composure under her attempts to trigger you  that's not easy be proud of yourself girl honestly bro my WWE I was like I'm going body slam you  [ __ ] I'm going to body

slam you [ __ ] like every part of me is like you're so lucky you're a  girl bro cuz if you were a boy I would threaten to fight you bro she's so lucky she's a [ __ ] female  bro if she was a boy I would have fought her bro I would have [ __ ] fought her like a bear bro  she's lucky she's a girl bro can't bully women they're sensitive bro literally she's lucky she's  a boy bro those are fighting words bro she's so wait she's so lucky she's a girl bro she's like  she's lucky I'm a boy and I got

to respect her boundaries and [ __ ] no but for real though she  was trying and I am actually proud of myself for keeping my composure because honestly my middle  Eastern sassy ass [ __ ] voice was about to come out and be like I will [ __ ] cut you [ __ ] in  the name of all women I'm just kidding I'm just kidding nah she cute though one thing  about lav though she's pretty I bet that [ __ ] her up growing up bro she is pretty  damn it's hard not it's hard not to notice how pretty lav is you kn

ow but honestly  fairy fairy fairy what's her name fairy fairy she's pretty too she's actually  all the women were pretty like I don't even know what I'm playing at like it was a  panel full of beautiful women and then the men real fall B my belly's I'm okay I'm  just F all I is you mind I don't make sense I've been nothing but bless so why is  my life a mess please tell me cuz I'm sick of thinking yeah I'm sick of reaching now for  the truth and living life is a [Music] full da da