You might think that your problems will be solved once you get an adult autism diagnosis, but often this brings more problems - people simply not believing you.
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It's actually a pretty common belief
that autism is being dangerously over diagnosed and people are getting
their diagnoses just like: [Oprah style] "You get a diagnosis, you get a diagnosis and you
all get DIAGNOSEEESSS" And people take this belief and think "If autism equals over-diagnosed then you equals lying.
it's basic maths" So here is how to deal with that Hi everyone if you're new to my channel I am Sam,
I was diagnosed with autism in 2019 and I now make videos on autism and neurod
iversity, exploring
the autistic experience that sort of thing here on YouTube every single week. If you think you might
like that kind of thing please click subscribe and the little bell button to be notified every
time i post a video. So let's talk about people not believing you even when you have a diagnosis even
when you have a card, hell I have a card I am a card carrying autistic! I think the most important
thing that you need to remember is, it's not you it's them. If you have receiv
ed an autism diagnosis
and you're pretty sure that they got it right you pretty you feel like it explains a lot about your
life when people don't believe you instead of thinking about yourself and like "Why don't they
see it in me?", shift the focus from you to them Ultimately what do they even know about autism?
Is their opinion actually valid? And this can be a tough one to answer but, "I've worked with
autistic kids" does not make someone an expert in identifying autism in adults, "I've
worked with
real autistic adults in residential care" equally does not make someone an expert on autistic adults
with lower support needs. It happens to me as well quite soon after my diagnosis an acquaintance of
my father's who is a - i don't know - a cardiologist or something watched one of my videos and said
to my Dad, "oh she's not autistic" and it's just like first of all you're a freaking cardiologist,
stay in your lane! And this kind of thing is hard because obviously he has a medica
l degree, I don't
know how much they actually learn about autism in a medical degree probably less than a term but I kind of still get the impression that my dad doubts my diagnosis because of what this guy (who's got no idea what he's talking about) said to him [Exhales frustratedly] But you know it really hurts and even if people
don't say anything you can still kind of hear them thinking it a lot of the time, and being doubted
on something like this, a diagnosis that you've probably spent
a long time waiting for and it's
not just like you walk in the door and get one you know it's hours of interviews and questionnaires
and like it's a very intense process so going through all of that and getting your diagnosis and
then having people not believe you is just like a complete invalidation of yourself. Just remember that people with ignorant opinions about autism are like arseholes... no that's it that's the punchline. So people like this ignorant cardiologist, they can get in the
sea but what about the people around you the people that you can't just say: "Oh well it doesn't matter they're not going to see
me again, I've never even met them" you know what about the people close to you? And you can't really
escape them, severing ties is a very extreme approach to this problem, I wouldn't recommend it, but I'm
kind of of the perhaps painfully naïve opinion that the Slowly Slowly Catchy Monkey™ method does
actually work with most people, especially most neurotypicals. W
hich is why actually it's been
a conscious action not to be a very shouty kind of person on this channel because i don't think
it's a very effective way to change people's minds because people get defensive very easily. Yeah it
turns out people don't like being called stupid! ultimately this is about winning hearts and minds
changing people's opinion and it's not necessarily changing people's opinion of you most of the time
i would say it's changing people's opinion about what autism actual
ly is and how it looks like
in actually autistic adults. When I'm talking to people of a certain generation and let's face it I
think that this is in part a generational problem because millennials and younger typically there's
been a lot more discourse about mental health in general, there's less of a stigma and people don't
have so many years of kind of like this stereotype built up within them. So when we're talking with
people of like an older generation like the boomers for example, I
always like to bring
up Anthony Hopkins because, first of all he's very famous and most people have heard of him, and
he was also diagnosed in his 70s and so that just goes to show that, you know, you can be diagnosed
at any age in your life and it doesn't make you less autistic so there's, he kind of adds this
air of credibility to this sort of non-believing fictional boomer that I've invented in my head
(not my dad). People of my parents generation have heard of him, he is an actor who ob
viously is good
at masking, he's good at acting, who doesn't look autistic. Honestly he just seems like kind of
a super nice guy and I actually follow him on Instagram because he's an amazing artist and
his Instagram is just like really super chill, beautiful vibes (and cats), so I would check it out. Why am I
plugging him? He should be plugging me! But what this is doing is giving somebody a soft "in"
to the world of autism so if people have very um negative stereotypes about autistic peo
ple you
know they think of it very much like a disorder um a disability, they don't associate you with that
and so what you have to do is you have to kind of show them that autism is not about kind of
like just permanent suffering, well maybe - depending on the day - but you know it's it's
not about this permanent state of tragedy and misery, you know autistic people can live
fulfilled lives, we're just a little bit different. Using examples like Anthony Hopkins
bridges between what they t
hink they know about autism and "hey look this guy that you probably
trust and recognize has been diagnosed therefore autism might not be what you think it is!" and
if you can find similar examples to this that involves giving people little snippets, it's kind
of like a snippet approach, because you're not just expecting, you're not slamming Neurotribes down
on the table and expecting them to read the whole book which it's a big book you can't just give
people this overwhelming amount of in
formation and expect them to be like "Oh! Well my mind has
changed!" that's not how people work (because most people don't read as well). But I also want
to mention the fact especially when you're dealing with family that a lot of people won't
believe your autism diagnosis because when you talk about your autistic traits they are traits
that they themselves might have and so you end up with these frustrating conversations where you
say, "Well I really struggle with this" and they go "Well w
e all do that!" and actually we don't all do
that, that is an autistic trait but it has become normalized within the smaller family group perhaps.
So my theory is that a lot of people who doubt you actually do so because they have a lot of autistic
traits and maybe they just don't want to recognize something in themselves. It's not all the people
who doubt you for sure but I know that there is like a little bit of a pattern there, especially
if they've been undiagnosed for many decades and
have just struggled through life and so have
built up this mentality that that's just the way of the world, life is a struggle, this is how
it's supposed to be, you know, get over yourself! But I think that when you have struggled
being an undiagnosed neurodivergent person it just seems like, well of course life is like
that, what are you talking about? You know and you've completely normalized the sense of
otherness from the world, you're like, "Well that that is how it is". So now i want
to talk about the
people who think that only the most disabling kind of autism is real autism - REAL AUTISM. In their
heads "real autism" equals somebody who can't talk somebody who maybe has a comorbid learning
disability, who cannot live independently and has violent outbursts, and anything less than
that is, in their eyes, not real autism. Actually i think this is a point that i might have to do
a full video on because it's it's a very widely held belief. But this is harder to argue wit
h
because they start from a point which is true in that there are autistic people who cannot live
independently, who cannot speak, and who need you know round-the-clock care to deal with their
autism, although most of the time that involves some kind of a co-morbidity, whether it's a
learning disability or epilepsy or whatever. But you know we talk about autism being a
spectrum and I think it is kind of like wildly misunderstood what a spectrum actually is you
know most people think, "Well
that means that you start mildly and then you get progressively
more autistic, and then you have the severe end of the spectrum", it's like end of the spectrum.
That's not really how spectrums work, but whatever. All autism kind of starts at spicy anyway doesn't
it? But there are a couple of different ways of explaining the autistic spectrum, I've linked a few
resources down below that I think also do a great job of explaining it, but what I like to think
of is you know those mixing boards
that DJs have? You know, there's like sliders there's knobs
there's all twinkly lights (I think I have actually been in a club once) and everything things are on or off and up and down, and it's
just a delicate combination of using all those functions and like you know creating music out of
it. So each autistic person has a different setting for their different song, so it's like you know
that slider is sometimes up and sometimes down but that is kind of like the metaphor for autistic
peop
le in our daily lives, and in this analogy a neurotypical person might have their experience
set to standard (or auto-tune if you're feeling spicy). So think about this way you wouldn't go
up to a DJ working on his mix board - I don't know what they're called! Mix board? What is this? You
wouldn't go up to a DJ working on this and be like "So how loud is the music you make? Like how loud
is it? Is it like quiet music or is it loud music?" and that's what you're saying when you're
saying "We
ll how autistic are you? Are you mildly autistic or are you like really badly autistic?"
Although most people don't actually ask you that because they assume talking to you that you have
to be mildly autistic. So you wouldn't ask a DJ how loud is your music because you would ask them
things like, "What kind of music do you play? What is your creative process?" Maybe? I don't
know, what would you ask a DJ? I'm not sure I want to make a point that this is all very
hard work, it's hard work to
constantly educate people around you, I'm afraid that I don't have
a better solution for this than the people who are capable doing the work when they can. I mean I
literally started this YouTube channel because I didn't want to have the same conversations with
people over and over again, and the trouble is you can send people articles or books or whatever
but you can't make them read them and that's also another reason why I started a YouTube channel
even though I'm probably more of a wri
ter because people don't really read. If something's on the
internet people will skim read - people don't read! People don't read. And that's weird because
apart from the fact that when my ADHD symptoms get really bad and I can't read I actually do
really like reading so it amazes me that there are people who just don't on an everyday basis. So
people like to watch videos, even though I can get a little verbose at times, and you think, "Sam! Maybe
you should have written a book on this inst
ead of doing a 25 minute video on trauma!" No I'm just
kidding, you guys like that, but you know like even the longer videos people are far more likely to
sit down and watch them, and when you have short videos people will share them and that is kind of
like why I decided to create this kind of content actually. So supporting creators who make
content whether it's podcasts or videos like this or blogs or cartoons, comics, that kind of stuff,
is really important and this is sounding a little
bit more self-serving than I meant it to, I don't
just mean like "oh everybody come and support me!" but in the world of social media, engagement pushes
algorithms and engagement increases visibility and so every time you're engaging on any
creator's post you are furthering the cause of neurodiversity, you know you are pushing
autism into the mainstream. The neurodiversity movement is actually decades behind the gay
rights movement, imagine how many neurodivergent people there are in arts
and entertainment perhaps,
like in music, in acting, in all of these kind of creative things, there are loads of them, but how
many people could you actually name who are "out"? Okay we've talked about Anthony Hopkins, there's
like a handful of actors, reasonably famous, but I think that if you really looked into
it, there would be a load more people that a lot of people have heard of, who are actually
autistic, but remember that this is a movement that we're living in, we're not living in
a perfect
world where people understand autism, even though we might be able to see, it's so obvious, other
people just don't know that much about it, and so education is really at the forefront of how
I believe that we can start to make a difference We are starting to break into the mainstream
awareness, but we're not there yet, we're still kind of at the point where when you talk to someone
and I say "Oh I do a YouTube channel about autism" they go "Oh my nephew's autistic" or something l
ike
that you know, like people are aware of it, the stigma is starting to go, but to break into
the mainstream, what we have to do is we have to make it accessible and digestible to the broader
neurotypical audience, as well as the autistic audience. Also I just think that the reason that
autistic people suffer is because people don't know about autism and so if we can change that,
that is the key, and that is why I've brought up this point about sharing creators because there
are so many
people doing amazing work and their work is not getting the visibility that it
deserves. So yeah you could share this video, you could like this video too, whenever you see a
piece of content that really resonates with you, engage with it, even if you have to create
like an anonymous account, a social media account so you can do more sharing if you're
not ready to be out yet. Once we reach a tipping point we won't all have to do this intensely
tiring emotional labor for ourselves because th
e times they are changing. Thanks so
much to Annette for commissioning this video, I thought it was a really great topic and I hope
you liked the video I'll see you next time, bye!
Comments
What DO we call those DJ thingys?
as an adult with autism, a lot of people who I randomly tell that don't "believe" me or are "surprised" as they "never would've guessed" because I can talk and communicate well socially. What they don't realize is that I have had time to come up with and practice mental scripts to say in certain situations. since i only talk to these people once or twice, they don't realize that I repeat these scripts to everyone cause its just how I communicate casually (like at my job). Love your videos!
Re: your dad's cardiologist friend - I respect people's expertise a lot more when they demonstrate their awareness of its limitations.
When people say to me "we're all a little autistic" it makes me crazy. I know they are trying to recue me from any harsh feelings, or insecurities, about being ASD (which I don't have). I usually ask them, "would you say to a blind person that we're all a little blind because most people wear glasses?" That usually sets them to thinking.
Family saying, "but everyone does that" to literally every autistic trait is the story of my life.
Something I tell myself, that I find helpful is: "Just because someone doesn't understand your reality doesn't mean you are wrong"
LOL!!!! “YOU GET A DIAGNOSIS AND YOU GET A DIAGNOSIS AND YOU GET A DIAGNOSIS” I’m rolling on the floor
Time one spends learning about autism in a medical degree = about 2.25 mins (seriously, I have a medical degree 😊) It’s REALLY bad
I'm 73 and being treated for anxiety and depression. I'm trying to get up the courage to ask to be considered for an ASD diagnosis. Your videos are so helpful to me. Thank you.
Perhaps a useful response to people that are rejecting your autism diagnosis is a quote from Neil DeGrasse Tyson: "that's the cool thing about facts, they're true whether you believe them or not". B.
My answer to "but you can't have Aspergers. You do so well in life!" is that I've had 49 years to figure out how to get by in this world. That's a lot of practice masking in public, fidgeting without notice (pens and pencils are great for this), and making my home a super comfy nest.
Right on, Sister Sam. I was diagnosed in June of 2019 at the age of 50. It explained and continues to explain so much about my life that I had ascribed to being "weird" and "bad luck". I've known almost all my life that something was wrong with me and never had a word for it or knew it was a Thing. Then -- may every diety bless Professor Attwood! -- I saw one of his videos on girls with autism and it ALL CLICKED. I went to a therapist, I've been misdiagnosed over the years with depression and borderline personality disorder, I asked about autism and took the assessments and boom. Diagnosed. It's real. It's me. Told my family. None of them believe me. I've never felt so invalidated in my life. And now none of them will talk about it. They can talk all day about my aunt's medical problems and my mother's medical problems... but because I'm just weird old Aunty being an attention whore I get nothing. It does no good to wave my diagnosis letter in their faces -- on the letterhead of an actual therapist with a PH.D! No. I'm just an attention whore.
My favorite is when they say, "you're just using it as a crutch" or "you're just making excuses for why you don't want to try harder to fit in." I'm like - Douchebag, I work harder at trying to fit in an function than anything you do.
Wow! I thought I might be oldest person 2b Diagnosed! “Sir Anthony Hopkins “ being at 70 is amazing!
I don't know if you will see my comment, but I am getting my diagnosis because of you. A big part of me agreeing to go through the screening and get back into the mental health community was me coming to terms with myself that I don't CARE who believes me. I know, that I know what is happening in my head. The only way I could get myself to make this appointment was by making this mental pact with myself that no matter what people tell me I'm not going to stop moving forward in my journey. I know if I don't like a particular therapist or doctor then I don't have to go back to them again. If I can't get my misdiagnosis taken off record, I decided I don't care as long as I'm still working towards understanding this one. I can do this. Here is a message to anyone else out there who knows what this feels like: they are not living your life. They arent YOU. They can tell you what they think. They can act like they understand, and maybe they do. Do not allow yourself to get caught up in the negative consequences of somebody else's misunderstanding. This. Is. YOUR. Life. 🙌🏼
My son has stereotypical autism that which no one would ever doubt. My nephew is quite undoubtedly to anyone that has ever met him an aspie, just undiagnosed. My brother is an undiagnosed aspie, but maybe less obviously. More than likely my father is as well. Since my son's diagnosis 9 years ago, I hadn't once questioned if I might be autistic. Not until I watched one of your videos. Then I took the AQ tests online. 43/50 . Then the quiz (I can't remember the name) that was created by an aspie. Every quiz says I have a major amount of autistic traits. Now, I knew I was quirky. There's just so many instances that I've said "You mean everyone doesn't do/think/say that?" I just thought other people managed better. Had better filters. Didn't care as much. Well, they do. I just didn't know there was a reason why. This year (even without the pandemic) has brought so much change to my life that I'm crumbling. Little by little my abilities to manage have just dropped off. I don't know if it's worth it to pursue a diagnosis ( United States, high deductible HSA) but I won't be comfortable saying I'm autistic without it. It's the rules! The dumb rules that I've made up, and I must stick to because... I dunno I just have to. I have the money, but in the US what does it change? Quite a bit for me personally. Imposter syndrome is strong with this one. Of course I can say all the right things to get diagnosed, my son is sooo autistic. So, would a diagnosis really help me with this thought process? I know why I didn't know. Super strict parents. My sister and I present so well as heavy maskers that couldn't manage the mask so well after motherhood. Life, eh? Sorry, I dumped there. I have no one besides my super lovely, wonderful husband to listen to me.
My dad says he is not autistic he is lazy and stupid, which was what he was told in the fifties. I am unsure whether to seek a diagnosis for myself (46) but it has been life changing for my child. My dad was sceptical when my child was on the autism diagnosis pathway because he couldn’t see anything ‘wrong’ child was just like him.
I was on the 2nd visit with a therapist and she told me she didn't think I was autistic. She thought the doctor who diagnosed me was over diagnosing people. The doctor who diagnosed me had told me before that it isn't "over diagnosing" it's just that they are getting better at diagnosing people, especially girls. That therapist didn't know anything about me, or the process I went through to get diagnosed. There was so much paperwork, questions to answer, months and months of waiting, hours of talking. I have to remind myself that people only doubt me because they have a lack of understanding.
Don't they include diagnosis in cereal packets anymore? :-p
"You look and behave waaaaay to normal to be an aspie." That's the usual reaction when I tell people about it. They hardly know anyone with this, except for fictional characters. Just as if I needed to be an anthropomorphic stereotype. In short, this video totally mirrors what I experience among people I know. So better not talk about it anymore.